Morbid - Episode 2: Edmund Kemper “The Coed Killer” & Chatty Cathy

Episode Date: May 9, 2018

Oh, Edmund. This guy could have been something great if he had just ignored the part of his psyche that implored him to kill and dismember young women in order to have quality time with them. With an IQ well above average and a penchant for flowery prose, he unfortunately grew up in an environment that nourished violence and hatred for himself and those around him. Buckle up, Edmund is a real nasty character, but he will tell you that himself. Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/edmund-kemper https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/edmund-kemper https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201403/the-real-life-horror-tale-the-twisted-co-ed-killer%3famp https://youtu.be/pFfc151Zkg4 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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free for 30 days. That's W-O-N-D-E-R-Y-P-O-D. Audible.com slash wonderie pod or text Wonder Repod to 500-500 to try Audible for free for 30 days. Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Elena, and this is Morvid. I took off Friday, I didn't go to work, I called in sick to exceed 0. All right? This member of her body got rid of her body but kept her head on her hands

because they're identifiable. They're highly identifiable. I kept those at the apartment. Okay? That Friday night, Thursday night I took her, Friday morning she was dismembered, Friday night she was disposed of, right? Saturday morning I left, right? And I didn't have, I wasn't satisfied that I took the head

along in the hands, but I couldn't put them someplace that I could be sure they would be dug up by an animal or just be somewhere. It was scary going out there trying to bury somebody or dispose of body parts in a community or out in the even in the booties. All right, guys, that voice you just heard right there, that deep Tom Selicie voice, who'd that?

Ashes Young. Tom Selic was in, three men and a baby and friends. He's in blue bloods now, Magnum PI, you know all those old people shit. Hashtag oldies. Yeah, either way. It was not Tom Sallick. It was Edmund Kemper. The third.

The co-ed killer. Dun dun dun dun. We don't even have to pay for music. We don't, but we do. We actually did. Edmund is a piece of work. He did a lot of things. He's a real piece of work. He did a lot of things. He's a real piece of work.

That's what I can say. Don't be charmed by this asshole because he's charming. He's charming. He's a charming dude. And he talks a lot. As you're going to see, we're going to have a lot of clips from him. And he seems chill AF. He does, but he's not.

Not chill. He's a true blue sociopath and it's proof positive by how charming he really is. For sure. Because he can suck you in and make you think he's just in his own words a bit of a bumblebutt. You know, I'm a bumblebutt sometimes. But the good thing is you don't murder people. As far as I know. I don people. As far as I know.

I don't. As far as I know. I'm not going to confess if I did on this podcast. I don't do that. I don't need that. No. I don't need that in my life. No.

So, let's just get right into it, shall we? Shall we? Shall. So, Edmund Kemper. The third was a big bad Larry. Six foot nine. Yeah. And for, emphasis on the big He was almost 300 pounds some say 250 some tastes 280. He was close to two. He was close to 300. He's a big dude

He was also really smart Which is unfortunate. I don't know why those kind of people get the biggest brains, but I don't you know he got one What was that I can't his IQ was 145 I think mine might be like a long the lines of 12 then I'm really just kidding that's really impressive but it's not up there in the in the 140s not many people's is that's the crazy thing he's known for murdering six female co-eds during his reign of crazy bananas and also in addition to his own mother and his mother's best friend and his two grandparents. Yeah, he did. We forgot about those. Yeah, 10 total. 10 total.

10 total. We forgot about those because it's not even on his damn record. That chick got eggs and they're not making fun of victims. We're making fun of this big old bumble bun. I forgot about those because it's not even on his damn record that she got Expo Unch. You're not making fun of victims. We are making fun of this big old bumble bun. Yeah. Also another warning. This is I mean you're in for the long haul But this is a graphic one if you're not into you're not into a If if very graphic description of defiling corpses bothers you, maybe tune in next week. But I mean, I say stick with us. We'll make it fun.

Yeah, we'll make it fun. In the most respectable manner possible. Let's be clear about that. It's not going to be like a great pile of fun, but it fun. It's fun. In the most respectable manner possible. Let's be clear about that. It's not going to be like a great pile of fun, but it's going to be something. It's going to be an experience. We'll be here with us. It was actually kind of in the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale.

Kind of. Kind of. And I say kind of because Christian Bale or Patrick Bateman misquoted him and misattributed the quote to another guy. What a bumble but so the quote that he says in the movie is he's sitting with his friends at a bar. I'm sure the people have seen it most of you have probably seen this. If you're listening to this podcast you've probably seen America. If you're doing this podcast only half of you has watched the movie. My god. I have so much work to do. he says to his friends, when I see a pretty girl walking down the street, I think two

things. One part of me wants to take her out, talk to her, be real nice and sweet and treat her right. And one of his asshole friends is like, what's the other thing? And he says, I'd like to know where her head would look like on a stick and then he laughs, which you've probably seen the gif of him laughing like a maniac. He says this quote is from Edgene, but it is not it is Edmund Kemper. So he had the wrong ed. Oh, what a dumb butt. And that is not something Edgene would say. And he was like a, he's

a whole different situation. We'll get there. So we have plans, y'all. Yeah, we have plans. We have so many plans. During the time that he was killing was in the 1970s, and it was around the Santa Cruz California area. During that time, he was one of a trio of killers that were terrorizing people, him, along with John Lindley Frazier, who killed an entire family, to save the environment. Again, as one does.

Pause for a reaction. And also Herbert Mullen, who killed like 13 people in like a crazy spree because he said it would prevent earthquakes in San Francisco. California has seen some shit. So yeah, so he was in some some kind of messy company and So everybody was going I don't know how people were still getting in cars during this time like cars of people They don't know when all fun fact for that later. I know how they got into Edmunds car Yeah, I do

But you guys don't keep listening. Hold on to that So Edmund Kemper III was born in Burbank, California on December 18, 1948. And guess what, that's the day that John and I got engaged. I kept looking at the date and I was like, why do I know this date as like a different special occasion? It wasn't in 1948 because I'm not that old. You're not, but you were 69 and you know what? I don't think John knew this. I don't think he did it on purpose. I I know for a fact that he did actually. You know what? Then I love him more.

But going back to the other news. So Edmund was born to Edmund Jr. in Clarnell, temper. That's why she was so pissed because her name was fucking Clarnell. No, her name was Clarnell. That sounds like a sound you make when you're in pain. Clarnell! Clarnell! I don't know. It sounds like something.

It sounds like a shitty name, Chica. Yeah, his parents, it wasn't like a big happy family. The opposite, actually. Yeah, it's that. His parents were not like super duper lovy and in love and you know, all that good stuff. They actually divorced in 1957 when Edmond was only nine years old. And while that is not a big deal because lots of people get divorced,

he was left with his mother. And this is not, again, not a weird thing in normal circumstances. No. But his mother was not super motherly. I'm going to be really wondering. No, not very mature. No, not very mature.

With how I say this, because she is no longer with us. But are happy. I mean, like like, well the dad said that. He served I think in World War II. Yes. Is that what it was? And suicide, and I quote this, suicide missions in wartime and atomic bomb testings were nothing compared to living with her is what the father said.

Yeah. This guy was a nuclear weapons tester. Like he would rather do that to living with her But he said that and then when they got divorced He allowed her to take his children him Edmund and his two sisters to Monta Helena Montana Yeah, so he's saying that this woman is Worse than dealing with atomic bombs and suicide missions, but he's leaving his children. But she's a suitable parent. So like, alright, Edmund Jr. Alaina literally wrote in her notes, seems fishy.

It seems fishy. Alright, I don't know. I'm just like, I feel like he's, I think Clarnel is getting a lot of the blame, which she should, you'll see, she's getting a lot of it. She kind of should, she was real shitty. But, her dad doesn't seem like a prize either. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So, Claire Nell was an alcoholic who verbally and psychologically abused Edmund during his

childhood. This got way worse after she divorced his father. For real, she was better. She was real bitter. And Edmund would say later that he thought that she looked at him and saw her His father when she would tell him like you just like you say and he and it was not a compliment to me She did It's been said that she was afflicted with borderline personality disorder that's

Unconfirmed and undiagnosed but a lot of people said that that's something it seemed like she was suffering It sounds like it kind of does sound that way. She had a thing where she didn't want to treat Edmund lovingly or do it on him in any way or be at all lenient with him. Not even an ounce of lenient to hear. And her reasoning was she was worried she'd turn him gay. He probably would have turned out to be a great guy. If that was the case. Well, like, what? I didn't want him to turn out gay. So I made him a murderer. So I decided to beat the possible gay out of him. Like that is insane to me. So she constantly belittled him. She humiliated him and she really focused on his size. She called him a freak. At 15 years old, he was 6'4". Yeah, and that

was at 15 years old, which at 15 years old. Not poor kid. Like, you don't want any part of you to be different at 15. You're already like in the worst stage of life at 15 years old, like the most awkward, awful stage, and then your mother, your 6'4 and your mother is calling you out for it, and calling you quote, a real real weirdo which is what she called them all the time. Not cool. I can picture Ma calling someone just like a real weirdo but like in the cutest way possible. You're a real weirdo. I'm pretty sure she's called me a real weirdo.

I think a lot of people have called you a real weirdo. I have 100% of the weirdo. And your real weirdoness has rubbed off on me. Exactly. Here we are podcasting about weird shit. I passed the real weirdo torch. For real. And then I took some of it back so we could do it together.

Oh yeah. We share the torch. In an eight, 1984 interview, which everybody should go listen, because one thing about Edmund is he talks a lot. He loves to tell you all about what was going on in his head, what he was doing, why he was doing it. It is so interesting to hear him talk so it's crazy. Freakin calmly.

Oh, he's a true sociopath and you'll see it when you see these. He just speaks so calmly, it's like chilling. Yeah, it's awful. And there's a particular 1984 interview where it's, I think it was part of a documentary. And you can see all of it on YouTube. I'm sure you can find it out. It's super easy to find. His quote about his mother was,

my mother was a sick, angry, hungry, and very sad woman. I hated her. But I wanted to love my mother. I watched the alcohol increase. I watched the social life drop off. I watched her get bizarre. She had terrible pain from her life, her upbringing, a failed marriage with my father. I'm a constant reminder of that failure."

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But, those aren't quite right. It's because now you can compare up front prices, book a service instantly, and even get your project handled from start to finish. It sounds easy. It is, and it makes us so much more than just a list. Get started at Angie.com. That's ANGI, or download the app today. So he knows where it comes from. Right. And identifies it. And it can almost it

seems like almost sympathize with it. Yeah, and it's like every kid wants to love their mother, you know, like it's got a sock to have that kind of like inner conflict. Yeah. I want to love this woman. Right. Giving me anything to love. Let me tell you all about that. Ha-ha-ha. So one of the things that Clarnelle did, which will kind of give you a little, will peek into Edmund's inner hell when he was growing up, was she locked him in a dark basement alone at only nine years. Well, that was his room. She's the time of the evening.

The family left the center room, the living room of the house. My mother and my sisters, or my sisters, themselves would go up to bed upstairs, where I used to go to bed upstairs. I had to go down to the basement, and an eight-year-old child had a tough time differentiating the reason in that. Why am I going to the basement? I'm going to hell. They're going to heaven.

Earth is the living room. I'm going down to deal with demons and monsters and ghosts and all the things that scare me. They don't have to. Yeah, that was his room because he didn't hurt reasoning for this. Well, she was where, and I mean, maybe she was so far off base with this one, but she was worried he was going to harm or molest his sisters, so she didn't want him being free there at night to roam the house. Yikes. Which now? You look back and you'll have a good one.

You're a grown up. Clarnal good on you. Right, I mean I get it. But like, here's a little piece of parenting advice from me to you. I only have two year olds, so who knows? They are not six foot four yet. They are not six foot four yet, but who knows. They are not six foot four yet. They are not six before yet, but who knows. But like maybe don't lock a child in a basement. Or at least throw a light in there. Or at least throw a light in

their statement to just throw out there. Yeah. Like I don't think I'm I'm overstepping in a way. I want to say so. To say maybe don't lock your children in a basement. No. Yeah, I just I don't know. I just feel like that's a good thing. Well, especially with the door that, like the kitchen table was over. Oh, yeah. Could be because the only way in and out of this dark basement

was a trap door that was under the kitchen table. So once he was in there, he was in there. And they also locked it. So what if there was a fire in the house? That's so sad. It's just like, and he even, there was a quote from him and I'll have to find it. It's, he was talking about how the light that was in that basement

was like this bare bulb, and he would have to go in the basement and run over in the pitch black to the bulb. And he even said like he would run over and pure terror to run over to that bulb. That stresses me out. And it's like, that's a child. I'm not giving him any past here. Like let me be perfectly clear with that.

But he did have a fucked up channel. It is. This is the perfect argument for a nature versus nurture. You could go to town with this one. Because you look at some of the things he was doing here and we're going to go into them in a second. He was showing clear signs. That something was wrong. And when it's like, I Feel like if he had a loving mother and like a normal child, right? Maybe he would have possibly just been stopped in his tracks. Yeah, like I don't know. Obviously. I like I'm not I'm not in this head

Like who really knows, but this is really clearly played a role in it. But that's not what happened. He was not a normal dude. He did not have a general childhood. So at one point when he was younger, he had a crush on his teacher and his sisters decided to tease him about it. And they asked him, like, why don't you try to kiss her?

But they didn't tease a map of arms. And his response was, if I kissed her, I would have to kill her first. Like the only way I can kiss this woman is if I'd kiss her. So this was when he was young. I'm not clear on what age it was because it was different ages everywhere I saw. But he was young and too young to be thinking that way. Or to connect any of those dots. No.

Around these times he started another serial killer trait where he was butchering the family cats at 10 years old. 10 years old. He buried one of them alive or burned because I found that place too. Yeah, there was some some people said I think it's buried. He buried he buried one alive, then dug it up and put its head on his spike. Because like decapitated the cat. I literally can't. What? And again at 13, he killed another family cat this time because he said he felt the cat loved his sister more than he loved him.

These poor cats, like, why did you get another one? Like I don't understand and it's like yeah, cuz you're like a big weirdo creek That's really like the cat didn't like you like the cat doesn't like the basement. We're sorry Oh, and he tortured this poor animal killed and dismembered it and then he hit it in the closet He kept the pieces in the closet until his mother found them and was just like, get the cat pieces out of the closet. Like she didn't know help was given. I hope I never, never have to yell that as a parent.

If I ever have to tell my girls, get the cat pieces out. Did dismember cat out of your closet? There's gonna be a follow up. There's gonna be a follow up. I would call a therapist in my next sentence. But no, with Clark now. She was just like, move on now. Back to the basement, buddy.

Move on now. You're real weirdo. You're real weirdo. During these times, he was decapitating his sister's dolls. Because, you know, that's... And that does it. If that was it alone, That's fine.

Because I think we've all decapitated a doll here and there. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. We've all been there, Dunlund. Ben there, Dunlund. And Edmund has an explanation of his own for why this happened, that he kind of downplays it. I haven't heard this.

I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this. says happened. Of course, we can only take this with a grain of salt. But... I had a cap gun. It was by Mattel, right?

Fandre 50 was a very fancy cap gun. I got it in New York City. I went there for one summer with a cousin. And when I came back, my sister was kind of jealous, my little sister. For years, I never really put any value on what happened, tried to, you know, figure out beyond the obvious what happened in this scenario. But she, I've since found it plausible to believe that when she was angry or jealous about something, she would fuel her attitude toward us resolving something.

She hated that cap gun because it came between us as brother and sister. It was something I had that she didn't have that trip represented something she really wanted to eye and she didn't get and I did. But very soon after getting back from that trip, she got in an argument with me. It was over something really petty.

She got really outraged. She picked up that cap pistol. I said, don't throw that. And she threw it right at me. WAM! Hard. It hit the floor and my toe. And it hurt bad. But it broke the gun. The inner mechanism. It wouldn't work after that. I picked it up. I found that out. It wouldn't conquer it. And pull the trigger anymore. And that really outraged me. I said, so you want to play like that. I said, go run into her room.

She said, what are you doing? What are you doing? She's shrieking and chasing me, right? So I run into her room, and I grab up her Barbie doll. It was the one fancy doll she had, the Barbie doll. Everybody has one, right? She had a pair of sewing scissors sitting there in a sewing machine, a sewing kit. I grabbed the scissors out.

The head didn't decapitate, it pops off. So I popped that off, I said, well, that's going to go right back on. That's no damage. So I took the scissors and I cut the hands off the doll, I said, here. Now, you've got a toy that doesn't work too good, I've got a toy that doesn't work too good. That was my attitude. It wasn't quite just me going and dismembering her

doll. Again, I think that's a little bit too quick. An astigmatist not me to judge these professionals, but when they look at me here on Monday morning after the football game and they say, gee, here's all these little parts of the puzzle. Oh, this indicates what he was going to do. He was also Did this, you know, really fun game with his sisters? One of them was called gas chamber and the other one was called electric chair. Did we play that game? You know, I don't think we did. No, no. It's not. I don't think these are, you know, yeah, I don't recall playing that as a child. Like freeze tag. Freeze tag for sure. Sure.

Gas chamber? I don't remember that one. No, I don't remember. No. No, I don't think that was... We missed out, I guess. No, we did. And I think basically, gas chamber was when they would like throw one of the, like they throw Edmund into a room and they pretend to flip a switch and then he pretend to be

gasped. Fun for everybody, right? What? And then electric chair, he'd sit in a chair and they pretend to flip a switch and then he pretend to be gassed. Fun for everybody right? And then electric chair he'd sit in a chair and they pretend to flip a switch and he'd like ride around like he was being electrocuted. Again fun right? I wish you could all see the face. I'm making right now. Ashes literally looking like I'm like I'm befuddled. He's trying to put this together. It's not happening and I'm glad it's not happening. We don't need to we don't need to be a sense of him. sense to be made. No, know, new home in California. Where he was remarried, right, the dad?

His father was remarried with his stepson. Right. And when he got there, so this kid has been living with car now. He's been going through all that crap. He gets to his father who he adores. I don't know. Really idolizes dad. He really idolizes him.

He gets there. His dad has a new family and his dad is like, yeah, there's not a lot of room here for you. Did he stay there for a little bit? He did. He stayed there for a little bit. I think it became a thing where like the new wife and the new, it just wasn't all. Well, he probably was exhibiting some weird behaviors. Exactly. Because he's already in this weird thing. So, his father sent him to live with his paternal grandparents, Maud and Edmund Kemper on a farm in North Fort, California. And it goes downhill from here folks. So Edmund Saddist says another form of rejection. I mean, both of your parents. I mean, his mother's constantly

telling him you're a monster. You're a giant monster. She's always telling him no woman is ever going to like you. Because you're a giant freaky weirdo. Yeah, it's. That's probably not something you want to hear going up. So that in itself is rejection because it's a mother's love. Right. A protection of a mother's love and acceptance.

Like the one love that you're supposed to have. Exactly, and then he goes to see his father and he's like, you know, runs away to his father and is like, yeah, I have a new family and you don't really fit in this. Right. And there you go. Like, I mean, I can kind of understand why he was a little pissed. When he got to the farm, he immediately saw his grandmother as his mother. Because she seemed to be domineering too.

She seemed to be domineering, yep, just like his mother. That would seem to be a trend in his life as the domineering women. He saw her as a masculating his grandfather and belittling him. He just turned her right into his mother. And his mother had also kind of instilled in him that he should hate women almost. Well probably yeah. She kind of instilled in him like they're never gonna like you. They're never gonna like you. It's like he's already not a good path. So after a while on the farm, August 27th, 1964, Edmund was only 15 years old. He had a pretty big argument with his grandmother. The argument was over, basically she was saying, please stop killing the birds on the farm.

What? And he got so mad that he grabbed a 22 caliber hunting rifle that his grandfather had given him and shot his grandmother in the head and twice in the back. Now his grandmother was also, I believe, was writing or illustrating a children's book at the time and fell slumped over on the kitchen table on top of her, you know, that they didn't publish that. They didn't publish children's book. So there's that. His grandfather was coming home from grocery shopping

or shopping of some sort. This poor guy. And when he arrived, Edmund shot him and killed him in the driveway. And his reasoning for it? His reasoning for it was, I didn't want my grandfather to see his dead wife. which is some kind of sympathy. Exactly, but it's like sympathy.

But see where his, because then his reasoning for shooting his grandmother, I just wanted to see what it felt like to shoot grandma. Right. So there's two totally different spectrums here and it has to do with how he looks at males and how he looks at females. Right. He looks at the male and he says I don't want him to go in there and see his dead wife. Right. And he looks at the female and he's like well I just want to see what it looks like to shoot her. So it's very clear how he views males for sure. And it's very clear how Clarenel kind of raised him to see this. There was also reports that there were multiple post mortem stab wounds to his grave. Oh, I read that. Which is rage. Full rage. So what? There's so many late. He's like, I goddamn evil onion. Yeah. That's another good band name. I

don't know about that one. I don't know. I feel like I'm on a roll here I feel like are we just gonna evil evil band name every day? I think evil onions are pretty good Banshan of the whole even if it's in two is better it was I'll never be able to talk that but evil onion is pretty good He's an evil onion. He's got so many goddamn layers. She digresses everyone I digress a lot, but damn he's got all these layers because after he does all this shit And he's run away from his mother to begin with and she's this like awful person who makes him feel awful. He kills his grandmother, kills his grandfather and then the first thing 15-year-old Edmund Kemper does is sit down and call his mother. He's like he sits down Alexa call Clarnell way back in 19th century. Yeah

Call Clarnell. Wait back in 19... Yeah. And Clarnell answers and tells him to call the police. So he does. He calls the police and waits on the front porch for them to arrive. Like wow. Just like picture that scene. Everybody take a minute.

I don't know like how he's so beyond like... Russian Al, yeah. Which goes again with like him being a total sociopath Right, we as a normal we're not sociopaths because we don't get it So he's got all these crazy ass layers. It's like I'm saying Upon as a rest he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia by court psychiatrist That later changed they They were like nah. They did sentence them with it at first and he was, he carried out a sentence at a task a derro stayed hospital

for the criminally insane. The experts there believe that the grandparent killing was totally displaced rage that was initially intended for his parents for rejecting him. One person said he didn't show any signs of, totally displaced rage that was initially intended for his parents for rejecting him. One one person said he didn't show any signs of, I quote, no flight of ideas, no interferon, fear and serothaut, no expressions of delusions or hallucinations and no evidence of bizarre thinking.

Exactly, which means he was not paranoid, it's schizophrenic, and they eventually turned that around when he got in there because the hospital psychiatrist said that instead he was going to be diagnosed with having a Personality trait, trait disturbance with passive aggressive type Which which makes sense does yeah because he sounds like a passive aggressive asshole good on yes I'm sure I'm aggressive too, but you know whatever While he was there. he was a model prisoner. That's what everybody said, model prisoner. Let me just tell you what I picture.

Every single time today that I've read the word or the phrase model prisoner, I just picture Tyra Banks literally in an orange jumpsuit, like running down the prison hallways, being like, smile with your eyes. Smile, smile. You eyes. Smile. Smile. You better work. That's all I can picture.

Edmund Kemper doing that. He's like Kemper with like the ruled up bottoms and like, just one like rolled up, yes. And high heels, just like the ones who are being like, you better work. Like Beyonce's playing in the background. Oh, that's all a good picture now. Yep.

I hope you're all picturing that. Picture that. I'll put a picture of him and then picture that. Yeah. Quick. Go do it a good picture now. I hope you're all picturing that picture. Go with that picture of him and then picture that. Yeah. Quick. Go do it. We'll wait. One, two, three, go. So he was a model prisoner, not of that type, bomber. He won everyone over there and he eventually gained a ton of perks and freedom. He had a weird, oddly charming personality, which you're going to see throughout this whole thing with the clips that we're playing. Yeah. He's weirdly charming. Again, sociopath of the highest order, weirdly charming. Because of all of this, I mean they let him administer psychiatric tests

to other patients and prisoners. Because there was a lot of bad people in there So this allowed him to kind of get a better understanding of how these psychiatric tests work and the criminal mind Exactly and it made it kind of let him see how you should answer these tests to get To get out of there, which is what he was looking to do He was able to answer these questions now to make it look like he was in a better headspace than he actually was. These people were really scary individuals. I mean, they're like, you know, like the worst of the worst. Stuck your vegans and murderers. All of these, you know, really bad people. And he was stuck in there during his adolescence, during 15 years old when you're so impressionable.

He's learning from these people, things like he said, he was learning that, if you rape someone, you have to kill them because you can't leave a witness. So he got that in his head from a young age and he goes back to that a lot as he goes on. He keeps going back to the idea that I had to kill her because I couldn't leave a witness.

She was gonna tell him me, I was gonna get in trouble. Oh, it's insane. So Edmund got out of there, was perroled on his 21st birthday. December 18th. Happy birthday. Happy anniversary. And despite what literally all the psychiatrists recommended

and pleaded with him to do, he was released back to his mother. All of these psychiatrists. Oh, they didn't want him to do. He was released back to his mother. All of these psychotic... Oh, they didn't want him to be. No way. They were all, like, in fact, most of them said. Edmund told, said, that they actually said, cut her off. That's it. Like, when you get out of here, don't even send her a Christmas card.

He literally told him to cut all contact off and then he was released into her custody at 20. Like, how did he get released into her custody at 21? No, is it because it's probably because I have no idea and he had nowhere else to go I think. Right. Because he didn't have any money. He was not like he was going to foster care at 21. Right. So he had nothing. Oh, I wonder what ever happened to his dad. Because I mean, it was his parents that got murdered. I think I want to say that the stepson spoke out at some point. I believe I saw an article and he spoke out at some point.

I didn't go too far into it, but I'll have to look at it later. That'd be interesting. But I think they kind of wanted to get the hell away from this whole thing. But why? Yeah, I don't know why. Weird. Eventually, and I'm going to into this in more detail later, but he eventually got when he got out of 21 He event like close after he got out he got his entire juvenile record expan

Straight, which means he's the record of him killing his grandparents went away completely and we'll I will get into that later because talk about Charming but he was able to charm himself out of a rap sheet, basically, out of a counts of murder. Right. Unbelieveable. So, well, I must have just been him taking those tests and they must have, like, just thought it was a psychotic break. He's just able to... And they didn't want it to affect him forever. It's the actual situation where it happened will come up later and your, it's gonna blow all your minds out. It happened.

But after a little while, he moved in with a roommate and I'll meet a California, but his mother was still. She would pop up all the time. She was probably, exactly. She was just still all over a shit. She was like, hey, real weirdo, how you doing? Weirdo.

And he eventually got a job working for the highway department. And he was able to get through a settlement for a motorcycle accident. Yeah, he bought it from what I read on Wikipedia. He had like a motorcycle and was in an accident where he was a settlement. Yeah, 15,000. And that's how he bought his 1969 yellow Ford Galaxy. I'm just telling you, and I thought this earlier when I was doing some research, in the 70s, just don't get into a yellow car.

Yeah. Yellow cars are a battle in the 70s in California or Ted Bundy. Yeah. And either way, it's not. And I'm sure there's probably more. Which we're totally into to buddy Because he's he's my faith. Yeah, and favorite and like the best way possible and like then in the least we have a favorite letter You're lying if you say

Now at by this point he's basically missed ages 15 through 21. Critical years. So he's out of here. The last time he was at free was at 15. So he's like super behind the curve social. Well, the difference between 15 and 21 is it's not like a lot in years, but it's a lot in life phases. Exactly.

And it's like at 21 now, he's still at 15. Right. In socially. Trapped. Yeah. Intelligence he's in he's really intelligent but socially he's like super behind. He didn't feel like he was adept at speaking with women his age at all. In fact, in one interview he said that I wasn't impudent physically but emotionally I was impudent. I was scared to death of failing in male-female relationships. I knew absolutely nothing about that whole area. And it's true. Well yeah. I mean, I don't know if he probably never-

He must out on high school. Right. So you didn't know how to talk to women. During this time is when he started noticing, because again, we're like entering the hippie era. Oh yeah. I wish that I had been born. I do not. Well I wish that I had been born then but known all of this somehow. And like avoided hitchhiking. No way you'd be one of these chicks. Listen, yeah, you'd be in trouble. She gives me no credit. I don't.

You totally wanted that. I'd hop in there with my flower crown on acid. Like I'd be standing next to you and I'd be like, I'm lecturing you, being like, we're not supposed to be hitchhiking, this is like, It's fine. I feel like that's a big dude, I'm leaving. I'm going.

I'm not missing the festival. And I'd be like, I believe. I'm like, I'm on my way to one stop, see ya. See ya. So that would be bad. We did it, Grace. So this that would be bad. We dad grass. So this is when he started working up to killing. By his own claims, he picked up and dropped off

over over 150 hitchhiking women without any incident. But he wanted to. He just didn't. He just like tricking out. Yeah. He was quoted in front page detective, which is a magazine that like focuses on two crime and shit from the 70s.

In 1973, saying, at first, I picked up girls just to talk to them, just to try and get acquainted with people my own age and try to strike up a friendship. I didn't work on it. So at first, he was trying to use these experiences as just getting more comfortable practice with talking to women of college age women because you just didn't know how. So it was like, well if they're in a car with me, we have to talk. Right. So I'm gonna figure out how to do

this. Then he kind of began inching towards where he eventually ended up. He began without a gun and he would just kind of think about it and you think about it. Then he would have a hidden gun somewhere and he wouldn't bring it out. He would just have the gun in the car and he would know it was there and it would kind of give him the thrill. It started getting bigger and bigger and unfortunately he started having a feeling of what he called a fantastic passion. Building up inside of him. Like what a dick. Yeah. Calling it a fantastic passion like your inside of him like what a dick. Yeah calling it a fantastic Passion like your piece of shit like my fantastic passion is doing hair

It's like seriously my fantastic passion is True crime true crime and performing on top six your weird. Maybe I'm not that You're a real weirdo. I don't know if I have a lot of legs. Wait we not sounded that's a good bad name real weirdo? Did that just occur to me? He's a good bad name actually. I still think evil onions better anyways. We're gonna move on. We're gonna agree to this great. So that whole fantastic passion Which is bad bad name. Yeah, we're starting to build up inside him and become too much to handle and in that same 1984 interview that I mentioned earlier, he said I was raging inside.

There was just incredible energies, positive and negative, depending on a mood that would trigger one of the other. Outside, I looked troubled at times. I looked moody. Other times, perfectly serene. But again, people weren't even aware of what was happening. So see? So see, opa. That's the highest what was happening. So see, sociopath. That's the highest order. That is like a total sociopath. Yeah. He himself compares the process to becoming more and more tolerant of drugs or alcohol and just needing more and more to get the effects that you want.

Which is a similar process if you do think about it. Yeah, it's kind of, I hate how like, I don't want him to be with you for it. Right, I don't like it. Like you, man. Right. So it was early summer of 1972 that Kemper finally began to act these fantasies out. Yup.

It was almost always after like a knock down drag out fight with his mother that he would commit these crimes. So he was in a rage? So he was already in a rage and he was displacing that rage. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed? What would you do? I'm Whit Missaldine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived

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The first and second victims were on May 7th of 1972, and they were Fresno State University students Mary Ann Pesky and Anita Luchesza. They were both 18-year-olds, and they were hitchhiking to Stanford University when they accepted a ride from Edmund Kemper. His basic amount was he would drive these girls to a deserted area, which he did with pesky and luchessa. Right, and he worked in the highway department, so he knew like... So he knew all these weird, remote areas. Yeah, and like weird wooded areas.

Right. The first thing he did was he hand cuff pesky, and then he locked luchessa in the trunk. While pesky was in the front seat, or she was at least in the car or not in the trunk. He tried suffocating her with a bag, but this bad bitch bit through the bag. Whoa, I didn't know that. It's like yeah, she fought real hard and he did not say it coming because I guess he put a bag over her head, which he like he mentioned the way he said it was he had this like nifty little trick. He called it like a nifty little trick to suffocate someone. That's not even a nifty And it's like one that's real messed up that you're calling it nifty and two you didn't make that up. No Come on, you don't get anything for that. Uh-uh. So

After she bit through the bag. He was kind of fighting with her She he ended up stabbing her because that's all he could think of. And he had a big old knife. Right. So he stabbed her and she didn't fall dead. Cause and, and he was shocked by this because he, in the interview, he says, I thought it was like a movie. I thought when you stab someone, they die. Like they fall over and go, oh, it doesn't quite work like that. But in, and this is another quote from him He says in reality when you stab someone they leak to death. Oh

They lose blood pressure and you stab the more and more and more you complicate it many times by where you're hitting the pain you're causing and the Aggravation of the person involved plus whether or not they leak a little faster. First of all, the word leak. I could never say it again. It rubs me in such a wrong way. Like it makes me feel so many type of ways. Like I can't handle that.

Like a way the humanity of the person. It does. It makes it seem like a leaky faucet. You know, or like a balloon. People don't leak. People don't leak. Yeah, people don't leak. You bleed. Exactly. You have blood running through your veins and that blood bleeds. You're not leaking. You're not leaking. It's just such an awful

way to put it. He said that wasn't working. He was stabbing her. He even said I stabbed her all over her back and her sides and it wasn't working. She was still alive. And you know, you might, sides and it wasn't working she was still alive. And you know, you might, somebody might be thinking, why didn't he just stab her in the heart? If he was really not wanting to stab this many times and he's upsetting him, because that's what he seems to be saying, why don't you stab her in the heart and end it? Maybe in this frenzy he just didn't think that clearly. Oh no, he did. Oh, he said, he thought of it. He thought, why, why don't I just stab her in the heart, but then he thought and I quote her breasts were there. And that actually deflected me. I couldn't see stabbing a young woman in the breast. That's embarrassing. For her, for him. For him. Like it's embarrassing for him to admit that What he literally said that like he I

Hard somewhere that weird thing about like stabbing her in the chest. I read somewhere that he said He apologized to her mid-attack for accidentally touching Yes, I read that as well. He actually said yeah He said he accidentally like brushed against her breath Yeah, and he was trying to do whatever he was doing. Right. And he actually said, oh, sorry, or like, oh, I'm sorry. In the middle of fucking murder, he was like, oh my bad. Yep, like he literally said like I was embarrassed.

I'd be like, no Edmund, this whole thing is your bad. That's how like juvenile social and sexual mind was. That was touching the chest. He touched a breast. Right. And he's like what like he's like that's a 15 year old reaction is like oh shit yeah like uh um unfortunately he ended he ended up ending her life by cutting her throat ear to ear oh wow um he said that stabbing her was definitely not what he expected and it was horrible. It shook him up.

He lost all his, you know, calm and nerve at that moment. And when he went back to Luchesha and the trunk, he was obviously covered in blood because he had stabbed her a billion times. And she was like, what the hell is going on? What did you do? We got this, poor girl. Now, he had kept her and the trunk as some like, the way he says it is like, he was almost this like, favor he was doing to her, like not, he was trying to like be respectful and not have her see what he was doing to her friend.

Well, it's almost more terrifying that she has no idea what's going on. She's locked in a damn trunk. And like, what a dick. Like, you think in your weird twist in my name? Like, the gentleman think to do. You're such a bad damn person in the trunk. Yeah.

Like, fuck, actually, Goddamn gentleman. What's that mean, Kevin? You. And obviously she got upset. So what he did, what he said was, he said, your friend got smart with me. And I hit her in the nose. And I think I broke her nose. And that's what this blood is.

You better go see what she's, if she's okay. That's what he said. And in the interview that I heard, he actually made sure to say, by the way, like, pesky did get super smart with me like a couple of times, like she was getting real smart with me and I never hit her. So you stabbed her a billion times and slither through. But I didn't hit her. I hit her. Like, oh, again, it claps for you, bud. Gentleman Edmund Kemper. I just thought like legitimately a little angry. Yeah, he's a dick.

And it's like of this, he's such a sociopath. He's like, he's so charming. The mind even thought that creeps out. Right, that awful monster just creeps out. Yeah, you can't hide that shit. It's ridiculous. So unfortunately, he ended up killing Luccesa. He stabbed her and he actually said when the knife didn't initially pierce her clothing

because it was so dull. And he ended up killing her by actually struggling her in the end. The way he said it was, it wasn't that swell of a knife anyway. Wasn't that swell of a knife anyway. Wasn't that swell of a knife? What? Yeah. Yeah, he's a weird guy. Uh, so he then brought both of their bodies back to his apartment in the trunk

and on the way to his apartment. Oh, he got stopped. Pulled over by the police. For a fucking tail light. For a busted tail light. And the police officer did not search his car He had two dead bodies and the truck and also as I can imagine There had to have been tons of blood in that car right so the officer obviously didn't pay attention or It must have been dark. I just wasn't thinking of it, but like holy hell. Like that could have been ended right when it was his old buddy

Ed. Yeah, it was his old buddy. He was friends with all the police officers. Yes, he was Last episode we did he was a police officer. Yeah, this episode is friends with looking good But I swear we're not like anti police officer. No, no, no, this is just a coincidence, right? But Ed actually wanted to be a police officer, which you seem to find a lot in these guys, because they like the authority thing, and they like the power thing. But in a weird turn of events, he was too big.

They have like a height thing and a weight thing, and he was too big. They were like seven feet tall. We can't hand you a gun and a badge and have you troll in the streets as like an evil Hagrid right it's not it's just not something we need so because he couldn't be a police officer he wanted to be around them all the time and there was this bar called the jury room which is like so on the

nose and all the usually officers used to hang out at the jury room and drink their beer and like hang and talk about cases and whatnot and Edmund would go and hang out with them at this bar. And they actually ended up liking him. He described himself, I think, as a friendly nuisance. Yeah, which is totally what I described in this. Just a friendly nuisance. I would just say a fucking nuisance. Yeah, just a fucking monster. But they loved him. Because again, he's a charming guy. Right. If he was just talking to you, you probably would find him kind of likeable without knowing that he's like this awful beast. Well, he knows how to turn it on and off for the absolute one he needs to. He absolutely does. And so they would even like be discussing the co-ed killer crime.

And this would happen later obviously because he just began. But later, like he would hear them talking about it, he would discuss it with a... The common team with it. And it had to have been some like weird thing where he felt like some kind of... A true one. That he was the guy and he had all the information

and he was hearing them just sit and try to grasp at it. Just trying to put shit together and he sit there being like, I know everything. Like that had to have been part of his like getting off. Well it was just a weird noise. It wasn't in the house, it was outside. Okay. We should leave that. So I spoke to you out. He did. All right. So, so he gets stopped for the tail light. Yeah, so then once he gets them back to his apartment, um, he rapes their corpses, which is something he does every single time.

Yeah, and it gets weird and weirder every time. Yeah, he took explicit photographs of them, like pose them in sexually explicit ways, like he's a real piece of shit. And um, that was kind of what he was infamous for doing is raping the corpses afterwards. He really did, he even did it with his own mother later. Well, not just like raping the corpses,

like raping the decapitated heads. Because that's when he dismembered and decapitated their bodies, and he placed their parts in plastic bags and raped themselves, because it's something he really like to do. And that's really weird. He ended up showing the heads in a ravine and the bodies were dumped elsewhere.

And in the end, only pesky's head was found. Lou Chasus' head wasn't found and none of their body parts were found. Which is awful. And after this whole thing, he went back to just giving women rides. He started trying to do the ride thing. He was like, okay, I did that. So maybe we can just be friends. I got it out of my system. Got it out of my system. But apparently he said, it was only when he reached that he would kill again. Again, it was like he'd get in the fight with her. So he got in another fight with her.

And he would display such it. He did say that if the women mentioned the case and talked about the killings, it would have killed him. This dude was like, is around that he's picking up people like, well, I hope you're not them. He wouldn't kill them. Why?

Why? Like, he just wouldn't do it. Huh. Which is weird. He had like, it was like this weird embarrassment thing. Like he liked it and wanted to be connected to it. Right. I don't know. Um, so that didn't last long because the third victim was on September 14th, 1972.

15 years old. 15 year old Korean ballet dancer. I go cool. Looking for a ride to dance because she missed the bus. She missed her bus and she really wanted to get to dance class, so she held out a sign that said like, I think it said San Francisco on it because she needed get there. He picked her up and he immediately broke out a gun to scare the shit out of her. Like immediately broke out a gun was like, and told her that I'm going to kill myself and I want you here as a witness. That's what he initially told her.

And he said, if you like, you know, if you struggle, if you scream, if you try to go away, I'm going to kill you too, but this is what I want to do. I just want to kill myself. You just need to be here. Who walks? So she's probably like, what the actual fuck? But that's what he told her. And he drove her to a wooded area like he did before. Oh, no, honey.

And at one point, he locked his keys in the car with the gun under the seat and she let him back in the car. Yeah, she somehow convinced her. He convinced her to let him back in the car and he says it He's like I don't know how this happened. She could have picked that gun up. She could drove that car away I was on the outside. She was on the inside She had everything It just goes to show how how convincing he must have been

He was like he must have made her feel like he wasn't. Well, she maybe she just assumed. And it's like Jesus little fifty. She doesn't know. He's a fucking almost giant man. I mean, this situation is just beyond. And what he did get back in the car, he did say that she fought back hard. And he eventually strangled her to death with this, I think it was her own scarf. He had initially tried to suffocate her by sticking his fingers up her nose. What? Which I'm like, that's just where the 15-year-old

ad comes back at the point. Yeah, that's not, and that obviously did my own. And she fought hard at that point. She was like, hell no. And then he used the scarf to strangle her. He immediately raped her body. Ugh. On his way home, he stopped for a beer.

Yeah, quite. For this friend. Because, you know, and then he brought her back to his apartment where you guessed it, he dismembered and raped her again. She was never found despite huge efforts from her parents. It hurts my heart so much when people aren't found because the family already has to go through,

I can't even imagine like the pain that they go through and then to never be able to lay here. No closure at all. You're loved one to rest. You get no part of it. You are always going to wander where they are. Yeah. And you're gonna just sit there and think about them alone. I literally just felt like I was going to cry. Right? That's horrible. It's awful. I can't imagine. She was a baby. You don't move on. And it gets even worse. The fucking for doing right? And it gets even worse. On the way to disposing of her severed head, which he had in a bag in his car. He stopped at his scheduled court-mandated

psychiatrist appointment with her head in a bag in his car. And at that appointment, it was when he was officially deemed to be no longer a threat to others and was actually referred to as a very well-adjusted young man by two psychiatrists. And it was then that they recommended that his juvenile record be sealed. I wish you could see my fucking face right now. With I go whose head in his car. That was when his juvenile record was sealed. I think my face just, yeah, permanently will be like this forever. Yeah. Because that's what permanent means. What?

So, yeah, so he was in there and they're asking, you know, how's your day? Yeah, it's cool. Everything's fine. And they were saying, you know, he seems like a very well-justed young man. He seems like everything's fine. Out of the side, Kaira is filled with himself now. Right, and just the fact that they're sitting there because he's no longer a threat.

He's no longer a threat. To be that could have defied people. And he's in the middle of a murder spree. That's bad. That's real bad. That's bad on them. Big bad on them. Like real bad.

Whoa. Yeah. And it was at this time. I'm shook. That warning started coming out by the authorities telling women don't accept rights from strangers. And especially do not get in a car unless it has a university sticker.

You know who had a university sticker? Edmund fucking camper did. Because his mama worked at the college. She's seen the cruise. Yeah. And she worked as an administrative assistant, so she had a sticker, and he got a sticker, which meant he was picking these girls up

and he was looking like somebody from the college, which is what all the authorities were saying was totally fine. It can't be someone from the college. I wonder why they thought that. I think they just assumed that this was an outsider. I mean, because they were picking, I think he was also picking them up outside of the campus too. Oh, so I think they were not thinking that it was somebody.

And they're supposed to know everybody that was there. Right, and they're probably like checking cars and whatnot. And it's like if they work there, the thinking they can't be this killer. We know their background. Sure. Yeah. He actually attributes the fact that she worked with college co-eds. He attributes why he killed co-eds to the fact that his mother worked there. Well, she wouldn't introduce him to any of her own. And he says they, and I quote, they represented not what my mother was, but what

she liked, what she coveted, what was important to her and I was destroying it. So he saw this as she worked with these coeds, she thought they were like the ideal and he was gonna fuck it all up. Yeah. And at this point, there's what? He moved back in with his mother on the UCSowns campus. Yeah, because you know, that seems like the next best step. And I think he just ran out of money and we couldn't have paid it for him as a part of it because he was probably busy killing people and couldn't really do that.

He didn't have a job. He didn't have a job. He didn't have a job. So this is also the time that he bought a 22 caliber pistol and this is when he said he went, quote, bananas when he bought it Which upsets me because I say bananas all the time I'm gonna say that the same anymore because he's like I got my 22 pistol and I'm like bananas like

I'll put I just now on picturing him being like this shit is bananas B-A-N-A-N-A-S I hope he didn't do that. I bet he didn't cuz that's not what's it out yet Which is he's scary enough We don't need a seven foot fucking sociopathic time traveling. No, we don't need that It was after getting this 22 caliber pistol that he got his fourth victim Which was the show and that was on January 7th 1973. She was only 19 years old. Yeah He murdered her after obviously he picked her up hitchhiking. That was his thing. He murdered her by shooting her. And then he hit her in his

fucking closet. Yes he did, but not before raping her corpse and dismembering her with an axe in the shower. I in his mother shower, right? Yeah, of course it was his mother's shower. Because it's so on the nose again. He's just all about the simple scream mom, scream shower, scream, call it. Damn shower. And he ended up throwing the pieces of her body into a nearby ravine. One thing he always did at, from this point on, because this is when he had the gun, was he always removed the bullet from the skull. What's again was really smart to remove like

identification because that way they can't trace it. They don't know what they know. They probably know it's maybe a 22 because they can look at the bullet wound. But they can't have that bullet and they can't trace it back to again. What you can really smart. After having sex with her head for several days, her severed head, her severed head, he then buried that head in a backyard garden at his mother's house. And he said he faced her to look up at the window because according to him, quote, my mother always wanted people to look up to her. What a guy. What a guy.

You thought your mother stayed in playboy? What a guy, right? Mother's day is coming up, guys. Don't get your mom of that. Do not get ideas from this podcast. Whoa. So, after he had escalated to that point, his fifth and sixth victims, which were the ones before his, you know,

crescendo at the end, his fifth and six victims were on February 5th, 1973. It was after a particularly like a really bad fight. And he picked up UC Santa Cruz students, Rosalind Thorpe. I think Rosalind such a pretty name. I just have to throw that in. Rosalind, I think that's really pretty. It was Rosalind is such a pretty name. I just have to throw that in there. Rosalind, I think that's what that's really pretty. It was Rosalind Thorpe and Alison Lou. I believe Alison was 21. I've gotten different reports of how old Rosalind is,

so I don't want to say what I'm saying. I think Wikipedia said they were both 21, but I think they're going to tell you what Wikipedia. I think they're going to tell me what I'm 21. Sorry. He shot them both in the head while he was still on the university campus. What? So he did it. He got them in the car and immediately shot them in the head. How did nobody hear that? So he was really starting to go bananas.

On his way out of the campus, he passed right by campus security. He claims that the security guard By campus security, he claims that the security guard did have obviously have to let him out and he'd covered the two with a blanket in the back seat And he told the security guard these two were drunk. They passed out in number even home So that's his first story. His second story is that the guard was passed out and he got by him sometimes I just don't have words I really tell what he's saying. Either way, fucked up. He, this is where you can tell he's really starting to lose it too, because the other ones were very, he brought him back home when he did all the shit.

Right. He got back to his mother's house and in the trunk in full view of the neighborhood, right outside of his mother's house, he decapitated them both in the fucking trunk. Like in the driveway? He opened the trunk in the driveway, in full view, and decapitated two co-eds in the trunk of his car. Where was that neighborhood watch?

Full view of anybody passing by. If you walked by his house at that point, you would have seen him sawing the heads off of two women. I'm like, I don't know if I should say this, but I'm glad that nobody was walking by because he probably would have just like going berserk Yeah, I think you literally would have lost it and started just to think people the bits. Yeah, yeah So that's that that's bananas. I can't do it dude

He ended up dumping the heads and bodies of these two in separate places as well And this was like several days later after you'd already defiled their corpses. Now his last victims were Clarnel camper and her best friend whose name I will tell you in a second. So his last victims were his mother and his mother's best friend. Sally Hallett. It was April 20th 1973 on Good Friday. It was not a good Friday. Not at all.

He ended up using a claw hammer on his mother to beat her to death and then slit her throat while she slept. And right now I'm going to let Edmund tell you exactly how it went down. And that's when I decided I'm going to murder my mother. I knew a week before she died I was gonna kill her and she went out to a party, she got sourced, she came home, went to sleep, I was woken up by that, I got came out, I walked up to her bed, she's laying there reading a paperback. There's many thousands of nights before. And she said,

Oh, I suppose you're going to want to sit up all night and talk now. She... Now look to her, I said, no, it's a good night. And I knew us, going to kill her. And I'm so cold, it's so hard. And that's the first time it's 10 years. I've looked at it that way. I mean, that intensely, that honestly, it hurts.

Because I'm not a lizard. I'm not from a rock. I came out in the birth of China. See, I came out of my mother. And in a rage, I went right back in. For seven years, she said, I haven't had sex with a man because of you, my murderous son is one of our arguments. I cut off her head and I humiliated her corpse. It's there. You know, a six-year-old woman dead because of the way she raises her

son and the way her son is raised, the way he grows up. And what's her closing words? I suppose you want to sit up all night and talk. God, I wish I had. So that happened. So, I mean, what's weird to me is that in the clip, Edmund starts to like, almost sound like he's crying. Oh, yeah. And he sounds very... Very useful. Very peaceful.

It's like he didn't want it. So it's weird that he connects himself to her like... In a way. In a way. Like he can sit there and say like, yes, I came out of her. Like I'm not a lizard. I didn't just get plopped here to cause murder in Mayhem. I came from my mother. Right. And I can't just get plopped here to cause murder. Mayhem. I came from my mother, right?

And I can't. It's such a weird connection he has. It reminds me of that two-pock song. You know, it is just like that. All right, well, it's a little bit different, but but I see what you got. Poor Rallyshade. Our brains work differently. Cor-

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Exactly. But it's like, to take it to the level of then putting her head on the shelf and yelling at it and using it as a dartboard. Like that's the only time he felt like he could cut like fight back is like now she's decapitated. She's dead. I can put her head on a shelf and I can fucking yell at her back.

And just to not see something so off about. Exactly. But he said his whole, because I'm sitting here doing all this research and I'm like, why did he want to decapitate them? Like what is that all about? And he said the head trip fantasies were a bit like a trophy. You know the head is where everything is.

The brain, the eyes, the mouth, that's the person. I remember being told as a kid you cut off the head and the body dies. The body's nothing after the head is cut off. Well that's not quite true. There's a lot left in the girl's body without the head. Holy hell. What? Like he's trying to sound profound and maybe he does in some way, I guess. He's first sound in like most evil.

Darkest, darkest, most twisted, awful, awful way. I just, and I still don't get the head. I can't, because it's literally, I think it's literally the worst thing you can do to a person. Well, it's so like, and since he's displacing his anger of his mother at these women, he's thinking of the worst thing you could do to his mother, which he eventually did. And then he also took her tongue and larynx out. He cut them out. And then he tried, he threw them down the garbage disposal. He turned it on and the garbage disposal

sped pieces on them back at him. Symbolic. And his, he was quoted as saying, I found that appropriate. As much as she bitched and screamed and yelled at me over so many years. Of course. They're getting, even the garbage disposal cannot. her voice box just wasn't going anywhere He after that he raped her body and then put her in a closet and went out for a drink Later he called her best friend 59-year-old Sally Hallett and asked her over for dinner When she got there he strangled her he decapitated her, and raped her body. After he did that, he stuffed her in a closet too.

He stole her car, and he started driving and ended up in Pueblo, Colorado. There, he pulled over to pay phone, and he called police and confessed. At first, the police were like, oh, Ed. That's funny. Stop. And they didn't believe him. Well, because they had talked about the co-ed killer with him so many times.

He had to call them back and ask for a police officer that he was actually friendly with. And he actually told this police, like, no, I really did. Please come and get me. And to make them understand, he confessed to all the other crimes. So he was like, yeah, I killed my mother, blah, blah.

And then he was like, you don't believe me? OK. Well, I did this one, this one, this one, this one. He told them all about it. So they ended up coming and they arrested him. At that point, when they asked him why he confessed, he said, quote, the original purpose was gone. I just said to hell with it and called it off.

Because once he had killed his mother, that was it. That was the apex he didn't do anymore. Right. He was like, that was it. This whole thing was about his mother. Yeah. And he was arrested in April of 1973 at 24 years old. He faced eight counts of first degree murder. He attempted suicide twice while waiting for him. And he really tried for an insanity defense. He even confessed to cannibalism and then recanted. Do you think that's true? Not at all. He recanted it. He said he didn't. He said the reason he said he was he had cannibalized was he wanted that insanity defense. And it felt that way. It failed. And once it failed, he was like, I didn't need anybody. Yeah.

Like, oh, don't worry, everybody. I did everything else, but I didn't. Like how dare you say that. When he was found guilty, he actually requested to be put to death by torture. I read that. But at the time, there was a moratorium in California on the death penalty.

Yeah. So he just ended up getting seven life sentences to be served to him currently. Right. He was sent to a California medical facility. And he served alongside Herbert Mullen and, oh boy, Charlie Manson. But he was next to, you know, Herbert Mullen, who was also terrorizing everybody at the same time. He did not like Herbert Mullen. No, he did not. No, because he's a crazy Dude well, he used to sing when everyone was trying to watch TV I said and Ed would pour water on his head But then give him peanuts when he was a good old boy

He's a good old boy a good old boy well now There's a there's an amazing show that Edmunds, you know, likeness is in. Netflix. Netflix Mindhunter. Awesome show. The resemblance between Ed's real enemies.

It's insane. Well, the show is based on the book Mindhunter inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit, and it's written by Johnny Douglas and Mark Olshaker. They were two FBI agents who are kind of credited with like propelling criminals of psychology and profiling forward and they brought attention to the idea of serial murder. They did this by interviewing like several serial killers in prison including Kemper. They actually called John Douglas the Seru, Kylism Whisper, which is kind of what a title.

A fun name. Kemper's played by Cameron Britton on the show. It's uncanny. He's phenomenal. He sounds like him. But nominal, he sounds like him. He has his mannerisms. He looks like him.

He looks like him. I mean, you just watch it. You really have to watch it. It it so good. I'm not done yet So don't let it go. Jonathan Grough and Holt McCallan. I think his name is playing the two main the two agents Uh-huh, and it's everything. I mean they even then besides Kemper They also have you know BTK on there who I fucking hate and will cover him He's a real stain for that man. He's like my least favorite. He's such a little bitch there They have you know Richard Speck on there. They have Jerry Brudos all people are gonna cover later

We're gonna cover so many little tidbits He's said to be a model prisoner now like again here. He's the higher-irabancs. And he's staying with it. He can even now, he's even tasked with scheduling other inmates psychiatric appointments. And he has spent over 5,000 hours narrating several hundred books on tape. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. And it's a long time. I haven't found the titles of which children's books. He has actually narrated, but- Let's still not wear them to your kids.

He's quoted recently as saying, I can't tell you what this has meant to me. To be able to do something constructive for someone else. To be appreciated by so many people. The good feeling it gives me after what I have done. Well, I don't know if they like necessarily appreciate Ed. It's upsetting. Some of the titles that he is married include Flowers in the Attic.

Can you imagine Edmund Kemper reading you the just garbage dumpster fire that is Flowers in the Attic? Can you please, I legit loved that lifetime movie. Can you imagine him reading about that? Like, I can. No, what else? The glass key, Merlin's mirror, pedal on the wind, which is about the sequel, or like the-

I think that's one of the sequels. The Rosemary murders, Sphinx and Star Wars. Star Wars? Star Wars. So if you wanna hear Edmund Kemper doing a killer Darth Vader, or a Chewbacca impression. Oh yeah. So yeah, that about gets us to nowadays where Edmund Kemper is still sitting in prison and

still talking. So yeah, that is Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer. How are you guys feeling right now? How are you feeling? I'm feeling good. Yeah. Thanks so much for listening. We appreciate all of you. We hope you keep coming back. We hope you keep it weird. Next week we're going to be hitting some dead Russians in the Dayaat love pass incident. This is a good, not a good one but

it's interesting. This is gonna it's gonna get we're gonna get into some weird conspiracy. The wheels are gonna be turned in in your brains. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna get scared to research it. It's a crazy one so stay, bye, bye! To be walking up the stairs with a camera bag, a belong to a young woman that had her severed head in it. Walking up to my apartment passed a happy young couple coming down the stairs who nodded and smiled at me as they went by. Good evening. And they're going out on a date where I'd love to be going.

And I'm aware of both of these realities and the distance between those two is so dramatic, so amazing, so violent that at really, I can feel the wheel squeaking inside. That was really pulling on it. And I imagine at that point some people break, but I didn't literally go insane. I didn't get lost. Hey, prime members, you can listen to morbid early and ad free on Amazon music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen ad free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey. by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey. What makes a person a murderer?

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