Morbid - Episode 20: David Parker Ray AKA “The Toy Box Killer”

Episode Date: September 27, 2018

Guys. This is one of the worst cases you will ever lend your ears to. Park Ranger and all around rude dude David Parker Ray spent 40 years and over $100,000 dedicating his life to the abduction, torture, rape and murder of countless women. His MO reads like a script for the Saw franchise and that's putting it lightly. Hold onto your butts, because The Toy Box Killer is here. Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/david-parker-ray-toy-box-killer https://www.abqjournal.com/70489/victim-tells-of-captivity.html https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/albuquerque/items-david-parker-ray Cries in the Desert: The Shocking True Story of a Sadistic Torturer by John Glatt https://www.therichest.com/shocking/15-disturbing-facts-about-david-ray-parker-the-toy-box-killer/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to try Audible for free for 30 days. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Elena. And this is mullbid. No, it's not. What? It's something else entirely. Oh, should I go? No, you can say. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. That a poop. Did you miss me? I missed you so much. Oh, if only gone for a week and... Ash had to go ahead and be good at her job. Yeah, like sorta. You know, so I was in New York.

In New York, taking a class. That's where I got engaged. FYI. I didn't really get to see anything like that cool because we stayed in not until like shit on Times Square but the Staten Times Square which is like Wig and Taurus do. I feel like you have to do that once though when you go visit New York that's like the thing you have to do at least once. I literally like didn't go shopping like I didn't go anywhere except for class. Literally class. And I went to, we went out when we got there on Saturday night and all the bars of the line was so long.

All these like club promoters. Yes. Like for the shitty clubs though, then you don't want to go to. And you kind of show imaginable, especially in terms of where. Oh yeah. It was wicked fun.

Well I'm glad you had fun in New York. Thank you. I'll just sat here waiting for you. Well I do have to say that I am a Boston girl and I like to New York. Barged in. But I don't think I could live there. No. I love New York. Like John and my, when we were dating, like engaged even when we first were married, we went that you remember. Yeah. We went there all the time. That's, that was like our trip. Yeah. It was going to New York, especially during the holidays, because I love it during the holidays.

Yeah, I wanna go back during the holidays. It's just more magical. Yeah, it's like everything you want it to be during the holidays, but so is Boston. But like New York is just on a grand different end. Because it's fucking huge. But every time we would go there, we're like, I love visiting New York,

but I could, I'm a Boston checkman. When I give people like mad credit that live there. It's a tough city, fucking, but it's a tough city. And like if you live in New York, props to you, man. Yeah, cool city. Because Boston is a lot less, we're like a smaller, more scrappy, version of New York. Do you know what, though?

I'm really fucking pissed at myself. Why? I didn't eat one ounce of street meat, and I really wanted to. I was like, I'm gonna get a hot dog, and I'm gonna eat it, or I'm gonna get an Italian sausage, or something. I am giving myself some vanilla on the strip.

Yeah, so help me, God damn it. But I've actually been eating really healthy, and I- So street meat would've been a bit more raw. Would've been a bit more raw. So do you know what I did instead, like the trashy bitch I am? Oh no, what do you do?

One to the 24 hour McDonald's. You know what, I support that. I needed something to do. I support that. Hairdresser's fucking party, dude. And I am learning how to keep up. See how typesy technicians don't party a lot. I wonder why.

It's not really like a, well, not that it's all exciting, but it's not like a party, like let's not party about the death of this person. Definitely no partying afterwards. Yeah, no, so I can't relate, but I'm Joe. It was fun. But I'm a dead woman right now. You look great.

Do I? Do I? You do? For being a dead woman, you look great. I used a lot of under eye cream. Oh, that was a good call. Yeah. I probably look lot of under eye cream. Oh, that was a good call. Yeah. I probably look, I don't look like a quasi-modo like I did the other day.

I don't know if you ever looked like one of those people. I totally did. I should have taken up a photo of it. Did you get that surgery? No, I'm going so- I'm a good fucking sister. So I met- did you go ahead and get that surgery? Did you do that?

Did you do that fucking surgery? I think I've been gone for two days if you got surgery. I feel like I've been gone for much longer. I know, I feel like that too, actually. No, but I think like a few episodes ago, back in June, remember we mentioned that my two and a half year old had poked my eye. And she's a fucking savage.

She's a fucking savage. Well, I've been having issues with it on and off ever since. So now I have to get some weird ass laser procedure to, because every 10 10 now it's like every couple weeks I wake up in the morning and tear it open again just by opening my eye. That hurts like my face. It's awful, right? Oh it's excruciating and I feel like a free to open your eyes every morning. Because I, you know I have a really high pain tolerance. Oh yeah. So this is by a far the worst pain. Yeah, fuck that. Because I and I like slowly will open my eye in the morning now and I have to put

poop on my eye at night. Goot. Which I'm sure John is like, loves because I'm like, okay, good night John. And I look over my eye poop when falling out. It's like when you have conjunctivitis. But I won't have to do that after I get this laser thing. Because the laser thing is gonna like fix

because the issue is that it's not healing. So it just keeps ripping off. This laser thing is gonna like fix Because the issue is that it's not healing so it just keeps ripping off this laser thing is gonna fix it I guess but yeah, so it's like was a little bit fun that'll not happen again and Oh, you know what we have some patreon because you guys just keep getting better and better you guys are the fucking getting better and better. You guys are the fucking best. You are the tits. And you thank you so the titsules. You guys are the chesticles. You are the chesticles.

We should add a tear called the testicle. A testicle. So the testicles. Maybe not that. Maybe not. We'll just have the chesticles. Don't worry about it. Okay.

So without further ado, we have one evil onion added to the group. Heidi Smith. Things Heidi. Heidi the best. So we have some new members of the window latch in Cavan. We have Crystal L. Weiss. Um, Ridge Sick. Yeah, your name is sick.

Your name is sick. And I probably said it wrong, so I'm sorry. Again, everybody correct me by all means. Um, so thank you so so much crystal. We have Madison Catchigi, which is another cool name, and I might have got it wrong, but Madison you are a chesticle Thank you We have Norma, Aranda. I just think the name Norma is fucking cool. I love the name Norma. Because I think of you as Norma.

I think of you as Norma, as you make her. Wow. One Marlowe. That was really fucking very, very girl of us. That was very girl of us. That was very girl of us. That was very valley girl of us. Very valley girl of us.

So we have Joy, Megala, or Megala. Thank you, Joy. You've been Joy to my life. I was going to say, you are such a Joy Joy. No, I already said it Well, I said it to you. Shut up. You know what? Joy brought us joy. So let's be joyful. Oh, right. Yes. Yeah The next one is Aaron brother 10 and Aaron go bra Yeah, I feel like you should have said bra go bra go bra go bra go bra

bra go bra go bra go bra go bra and the last member of the window watching Kevin is Lorna Bryan who is a close personal friend of mine and i love you Lauren thank you so much for supporting our podcast personal friends and i love you so thank you Lauren i love you i probably love you so we all love you i mean i love the whole more bid family loves you. To round this whole thing out, we have a couple of members of the, or a few members of the Jagged Little Bitches. My favorite little bitches.

Shayna Ribeiro. And it might be Shayna, but I think it's Shayna. So I'm gonna go with Shayna. I think she'll be like, I like your name, it's pretty. So you know what Shayna? Thank you so much. Rock on.

You're a Jagged Little Bitch. We have Kristen Watson. Kristen. So you know what, Shayna? Thank you so much. Rock on. You're a jagged little bitch. We have Kristen Watson. Kristen. Thank you. You're trying to rhyme something with it, piston, your piston, Kristen. What's a piston? It like fires engines.

So like it gets fires engine. She fires engines. Yeah, like a piston. It's necessary. It can be a piston. It can be a piston. Yeah. And we have Samuel Kirk. I just like it. It's Samuel an episode. It's not necessarily an episode. It's not necessarily an episode. It's not necessarily an episode.

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And Cameron, thank you so much. You're the best. We love you. You're awesome and I believe you're from England and that's really red. Hip-Hip Cherry. Again, I was trying to think of an English thing to say and I believe you're from England and that's really red. Hip-Hip Cherry. Again, I was trying to think of an English thing to say and I couldn't. Hip-Hip Cherry, yeah. Exactly.

See? Ash nailed it. Thank you. Oh yeah, Erin Brotherton wrote that she wants to be friends and we'd like to say Erin, we're friends. So that happened. So thank you. We are.

We are. We are friendship. I have to mention guys how amazing. So thank you. So yeah, we are. We're in our friendship. I have to mention, guys, how amazing. It's everything. It's everything. Because I was posting that negative review we got, or in case something you guys didn't hear it, a summer random review, I think it was from Australia, which we love Australia still.

In case people listening don't know what we're talking about, I posted on Instagram a negative review we got where somebody called us said we were just another couple of pretentious Americans who think were cool by swearing a lot. Oh and then they they ended with so not funny. So I had to post the negative review because it's fun. When somebody like really goes out of their way to tell you how much how not funny you are, I have to post it. Yeah. So just know that in the future. And the response we got for our listeners. That was the best. I was dying. I was like, you guys are fucking amazing. Like the responses had me rolling. I felt so good afterwards. I was like, I love this weird little

tribe of listeners. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. You guys are amazing. And I just had to tell you that again, because I can't, I can it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

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I saw that I was like, wow, this is kind of funny. And she didn't tell me who to watch. I didn't tell us what it was. So I saw this thing where six flags stay Lewis, there's this contest going on in October. And I thought it was a pretty interesting contest that my, our listeners might appreciate. Yeah.

Cause I thought it was funny. So contest. Our listeners might appreciate it. Because I thought it was funny. So people are going to be competing for $300 and season tickets to six flags, and then a few other. But this is insanely we, I can't do it. And in St. Louis, yeah. And all you have to do to get this is spend 30 hours in a coffin. Nope.

And you just heard her, I'm like, bitch, what the fuck? Yeah, literally. So they're going to be like participants are going to be chosen. And then they're going to spend 30 hours in a two by seven foot coffin. Not 11 from 1 p.m. October 13th to 7 p.m. October 14th at the park. And it's like celebrating the 30th year of right fest I guess. Wow. And they're gonna get like that. They said they'll get brief bathroom breaks, but that's it. The rest of the 30 hours you're in the coffin. What if you have to poop?

I guess you got to hold it. I guess you got to hold it. And people are gonna get two, two thousand and nineteen gold season passage and stuff, but then also, if two people last the 30 hours, because like what if, you know, they're banking on one person winning. Yeah. If two people get it, then they do a drawing to see who gets the 300 bucks. So you might spend 300 hours or 30 hours in a coffin and not get your 300 bucks.

Fuck that. Like I'd be pissed. But you also get to keep the coffin. What the fuck would you do with a coffin? You'd be like hanging up. Yeah, let's just put it in the corner of the room. Can I give some of these people a strategy if they're gonna try? Yeah, go ahead.

Just take a little bit of fucking anvil PM. You'll be out. That's my secret. It's fine. Yeah. They're not gonna test you. I mean, I just have to smoke a lot of weed before hand. I couldn't do anything to make this okay for me. I would fall asleep if I smoked the right amount of weed or took a smadville p.m. So there you go. But I don't know if, not for 30 hours.

Well that's the thing. That's a long time. I'm not going to smoke a lot of weed before hand. I'm not going to smoke a lot of weed before hand. I'm not going to smoke a lot of weed. I'm not going to smoke a lot of weed. I'm not going to smoke a lot of weed. I'm not going smoked the right amount of weed or take a some that will pee So there you go, but I don't know if not for 30 hours. Well, that's the thing. That's a long time That's a long time just to lay down anyways, but yeah

I just thought that was an interesting little tidbit and in a little um what if somebody like snuck sedatives Snuck sedatives is that what you get out of that's called I wonder if they drug test you before you get in the couch They're like listen Linda you have to be clean. I wonder if they drug test you before you get in the couch. They're like, listen, Linda. You have to be clean. I fucking love the Olympics. Like the Olympics. That you took the shit. Listen, Linda.

I know you have the scissorpe. So just leave, Linda. Fucking save this for the real heroes, okay? The real heroes. Oh, fucking Linda. Fucking Linda, man. And speaking of Linda, oh, this has nothing to do fucking Linda. Fucking Linda, man. And speaking of Linda. Oh, this has nothing to do with Linda.

I was like, oh, I'm just mean to do that. Oh my god, look at this. What about that, Segwe? Let's just, let's, let's say what our case is today, which asks. No, Ash didn't know what our case is today, so she's going to be taking this journey right along with you guys. You guys are excited, but I'm not. Let me just tell you, this is going to be scary.

An experience. You might as well just go spend 30 hours in a coffin instead of listening to this episode. Pretty much. So we're gonna be covering the toy box killer David Parker Ray. I'm scared. We're gonna be doing this in two parts because the more I went into it the more I just realized this way too much that I don't want to Leave out and it's just you need to know the whole tail here and and it's a lot to take in So I don't want to make it this big long episode that you have to digest in one serving

So we're gonna we're gonna heat this out into two alcohol Now I'm gonna go ahead and put this I'll I will remind you as the episode goes. You have a discussion as a boss. To get into something rough but I'm gonna put it out right now. This is a very disturbing case. There is a lot of descriptions and mentions of sexual assaults and rape and torture. So if that is not something you are into, I fully get it.

This reminds me of when I turn on like a show on HBO and it's like, this program contains subject matter. That is not, it's like, we need that. We really do. What do they say not warranted for all viewers? It's not recommended for like younger audiences. This is definitely not recommended for any young audiences at all. So yeah, if you don't feel like this is something you're into, we'll give you something else

soon. We'll probably probably, we'll try to get the second half of this out soon. So, don't worry, we'll come right back around to something a little more jaunty. Yeah, next week we'll have to do a nice murder. We'll do a nice murder. Yeah, next week we'll have to do like a nice murder. We'll do like, oh yeah, a nice murder. Yeah, you know, like flowers. Like a fun murder, yeah, flowery one. So, so here we go guys.

No. This one is truly a hold onto your butt smaller. I have an hour to drive home, you fucker. Yeah, this is gonna be rough. So, now I think, I'm astounded that a lot of people don't know this case. When you're looking at it. Yeah, and a lot of even true crime fans will find that there, because I remember I was listening to this on last podcast on the left years ago or a year ago or something. And Henry was saying how he didn't know this case.

And Henry is like a big serial killer fan. No, Henry is a big serial killer. He's a big serial killer. He's a big serial killer like aficionada. So yeah, this is one of those that's like a really deep you have to be really really really into true crime to know this one so don't feel bad if you don't know it. Um, I'm surprised he's not bigger in like more like, because this guy is top three at the least. I mean, he is an Amarika or other places too. I mean, ever. I mean, he's depraved beyond your wildest imagination. I don't want to.

I like to think of him as part BTK, part Robertredella part Buffle of Bill from Sounds of the Lambs would like don't with a little jigsaw from Saw thrown in and He's like kind of living the real life version of the Firefly family farm on House of a Thousand Corpses. Wow Yeah, so again It's gonna be rough. So Let's start shall we? No. David Parker Ray. Sounds like a fucked up dude. Sounds like a country music star.

Yeah, he actually does. He was born November 6th, 1939, in Belon, New Mexico. Oh, that means he's a Scorpio, I think. There you go. No. Maybe I'm wrong. No idea. I'm a Capricorn, that's all I think. There you go. No. Maybe I'm wrong. I have no idea. I'm a Capricorn, that's all I know.

Yeah. David was created, he did have an abusive childhood, but he was created by a different kind of abuse. A scary kind. He was the product of severe neglect in childhood, okay. Which a lot of psychologists actually believe neglect has worse consequences, on consequences, on a child's development than more like aggressive He was constantly passed around to different family members and basically like his mother didn't

Give a shit about him. He mainly spent a lot of time with a super aggressive and like pretty abusive and stern grandfather Oh, I was fucking right, he has a Scorpio. There you go, he's a Scorpio. He's bitches and crazy. As a result, he retreated to writing in journals for hours at a time. Which comes back later in his life. That's too long.

And he really relied on a fantasy world. Famicizing was a huge thing, which happens in a lot of these cases. These dudes end up just retreating into a fantasy world. Now his dad was an abuse of alcoholic who like was never around. He would just drift into his life every now and then and when he drifted on in he would just show up. He'd be a dick. He'd be everyone up and then he'd just leave a bag of magazines. Thanks for coming bro. So nice to see you. Oh my god. magazines. did you bring them this time?

Thanks! Time to be in the face. Just leave a magazine. Cool. And now these weren't just like highlights magazines. A lot, so do you leave them with porn magazines? These are definitely days. Oh, too.

They were torture, satomasticistic porn magazines. Like, what? Images of women being bound and tortured and beat up how old was he he was dropping these off like I was from when he was young I'd been held free who yeah like here's a bag of of SNM mags like not even just like a playboy magazine no they were like fucked up magazines my dad got a regular dad he's a cool dad he leaves me sat satanastic porn mags. Yeah, they're sucking great Yeah, my dad pack me cosmic brownies

We have different childhood I like that we both just said things at the same time and it described perfectly who we are as people My dad brought me to the baseball game. Oh my mom packed me a twinkie bitch. No captain couldn't slurpee but it's high. Oh we're gonna need this, we're gonna need this, this attitude going for us. Now this kind of porn and this kind of fantasizing became an obsession for him. Good.

Like most other ones we spoke of. It really shaped his ideas of sex and women. Makes sense. Now he was actually kind of bullied at mountain air high school in mountain air in New Mexico where he attended because he was super shy. He like withdrew into himself. Oh, which is sad. Why do people just not leave shy people alone? Well, that's the thing.

Or just feel like, hey, want to eat lunch with us? It's just a lot of evil alone. They don't want to talk to you. So he was especially shy around girls because what fucking basis did he have for learning to speak to girls properly? He's like, he was like, can I tie you up sometime? Literally, can I tie your hands?

And like the fifth brain. The fifth brain. So because of all the awfulness in his childhood and the porn he was devouring way too fucking early. His sexual fantasies were mainly things, you know, like raping, torturing and even murdering women. That's like how he figured he was gonna get his jolies off. Sorry, where was his mom again? His mom was just like, she just like didn't give a shit about him. She was just half-spoirred.

She was just half-spoirred to his grandfather. She didn't give a shit about him. She was just half-spoir. She was just half-spoir to his grandfather. She didn't really raise him. So it was around this time that his sister ended up and we'll talk about her later because they did talk to her when they caught him later. Because spoiler alert, he got caught. So his sister discovered his drawings

that he used to draw and he carried this in a later life too. No. He used to draw women like tortured and tied up and beaten and murdered. That was his thing and she found them and she also found some erotic photographs of bondage acts. No one did anything because no one gave a shit. Now after he got out of high school, he worked as an auto mechanic and he also attended the army where he received an honorable discharge from it. He worked as a general mechanic in the army. He ended up marrying and divorcing four times.

Damn! Shocking. He had two children. They're like, yeah, stop tying me up. Yeah, like, I'm not into this. But like, I have no feeling in my wrists anymore. Could we fucking have an old set of things now? Yeah, can we just make love?

Hahaha! David! Oh man. He's like fuck you. No. Okay. So one of his children was a son who he named David Jr. Oh and he and him. Yeah, no thank you. They talked to him later too. It's really sad. He's like I changed my name. And he also had a daughter who he was pretty close to. I don't want to know anything about that. Jean Ray who they called Jessi. Dolly Calder. Jessi? Are they from South? Well we're in New Mexico. Do you think they called her Jessi? Or do you think they actually just called her Jessi? No, I think they were like Jessiie? Jussie? Because you can't say Jussie Ray. You have to say Jussie Ray?

You have to say it. It sounds like Jussie Ray. You can't just be like, oh hello Jussie Ray. You have to be like, Jussie Ray? Where you at? You're making my stomach turn a little bit. Sorry, Jussie Ray. Ew.

All right, so Juss'm right. All right, so Jess arrived. And he ended up after he got out of the army and started being an adult kind of. He started working as a park ranger mechanic in the Elephant Butte State Park in New Mexico. Elephant Butte? Yes, it had spelled Butte TTE, which elephant butte yes it had spelled butte which elephant but or elephant booty

But it's you. Oh, it's booty elephant booty park He was known by his co-workers and people a cell super chill though Like literally these people like what I'll get into it later. How shocked they were like his boss And I'll mention it again later because I'm sure you'll forget, but when he got arrested, his boss put him on paid leave because he, that's how much he believed in him. Like he was like, no, this is crazy. He didn't do this. He's coming back. Wow. Yeah, so he really, they said he was super charming, pretty quiet, but not like too quiet. And everyone said he was the guy who literally

went out of his way to do favors for people. Like he was like a reliable dude and he would help people out. And he also apparently threw like insane parties a lot. I mean, I'm always down for a insane party. Which asses like, I'm on board, I'm a hair dresser, I'm gonna do this. I'm a hairdresser all the time, you're partying. You don't want to attend his party. So clearly no one knew that he also happened to be one of the rarest types of sinister personality types, which is a sexual sadist. Oh no.

This is someone like Ted Bundy, for example, who can literally only get off by having another living person being tortured or put through some kind of immense pain and suffering. Can you imagine if that was the only way that you could do your thing? And apparently there was a thing where they found out that he had contacted like someone at Viagra, customer support when he was like a teenager. Because he couldn't get enough. And he knew because he asked them if Viagra would help him achieve

interaction without having to hurt someone and Viagra was like red flag Viagra was like Sorry the connections really bad You know when they're like we're recording your call for customer service. They were like, did you hear that, boy? No, okay, bye. Bye, little David. But yeah, he literally wanted to find out. So that's how bad it was for him when he was like a teenager.

He was like, can will this help me be normal, achieve a normal? That makes me sad, because I can't literally cut it. He was conditioned. Like he was programmed. I mean, you don't have to go and fuck it. And he was literally being like, will this help me just have sex with someone without hurting them?

I'd be like, no, but a psychologist might. I'd be like, I need to go. It's my lunch break now. So the other person that's going to be involved in this case is a little lady named Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. Shut up right now. No. Cindy Hinde? Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. Shut up right now. No.

Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. Ha! I'm Cindy! Cindy! So, uh, Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. Who does that mean? It's his, uh,

a much younger girlfriend. Oh, how much younger? Who participated in some of this? She's not crazy younger, but much younger than him. Okay, so Cindy Hinde. She was a fuck up. That's her last name. Her first name is Cindy Hinde and her last name is Shutterfuck. It's hyphenated. Yeah.

So Cindy grew up in a nightmare as well. Yeah, because her fucking mom named her Cindy Hinde. Cindy Hinde. Yeah, it's like, come on. Nightmare on well. Yeah cuz her fucking mom neighbors didn't even do yeah, it's like come on nightmare on day one She was born on February 6th 1969 in Seattle, Washington. Mm-hmm. She was pretty much ignored Throughout her childhood by her beauty pageant obsessed mother. Oh, no her mother didn't put her in beauty pageants She herself wasn't being patched so it wasn't like a honey booboo child. honey Boo Boo child It was not a sin to him to child. It was she could have benefited. She could have had a TLC specialist She could have used that

But yeah, she just didn't pay attention to her she was psychologically and sexually abused and at one point Throughout her childhood her stepfather sexually abused her yeah, abused her, and at 11 years old she finally got the courage to tell her mother. And her mom did her mother? The stepfather was like, I didn't do that. And so the mother decided to choose the stepfather and kicked her out of the house at 12. Where you go?

So your 11 year old comes up to you and is like, yeah, the dude you married has been sexually assaulting me for years, and you're like, yeah, I think you should just leave. Like, you little 12 year old. Like a 12 year old. So she ended up on the streets of Seattle at 12 years old. And she started dealing and doing cocaine pretty young

and being just a super violent human. She's like, she went at like 12 pretty much. Wow. She went through a ton of awful violent relationships with dudes and she was she was tiny at like 105 pounds. She was doing fucking coke all the time. But she was apparently like pure muscle. Like everyone who knew her said she was fucking pure muscle. Or she just had a co-berg on the side. And they said probably. It's probably a little mix. She was just lifting cars everywhere. We're reaching.

And several people close to her at different times in her life, including ex-boyfriends, said she could easily beat the shit out of a 250-pound person. Well, good for her. Yeah. I mean, well like now. But she did end up having a son at 16 years old, while living out on the streets.

And by her late 20s, she ended up having two more children, two daughters. Oh wow. And by two to three different dudes. Yeah, so she obviously couldn't take care of them because like why are you having kids while living on the streets and doing copious amounts of cocaine? I don't know. But so when the youngest was like 10 years old, she just sent them away to live with their grandparents. Her mom? You know. The really take a drug course and she wasn't gonna do any of that And she was like let me tell you I know a lot of drugs. You know what? I'm not gonna teach you guys. She's like I could teach this course. Exactly. So after bailing on her kids She left Seattle for New Mexico and she became like a huge bar rat and just a piece of shit by this point So she had busted for a DUI and was sentenced to 30 days in jail with six months probation and 50 hours community service almost

Immediately upon arriving at truth or consequences, New Mexico. Okay. That's the actual name of the town truth or consequences New Mexico. That's crafty, right? I guess it was named after like a radio show Yeah, that like said, if a town named, they're, said themselves after their radio show, they broadcast there or something, and they were like, yeah. That sounds like a good idea.

It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea.

It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a like, look, look, a that cute little santa-hinted. This is where she met him. And they became regulars at the Blue Water Saloon, which is a place where a lot of, you know,

bar were lots of locals and park and parks employees hung out regularly. Sounds like a lifetime movie. And they hit it right off. Because one of the biggest things they shared was a love of sadism. Oh, she liked that too. It's a real love story. Yeah it's a real love story. This is the original notebook.

Did they just like re-script the whole day? They tweaked it a bit? Yeah but it's basically the same. So by January 1999. They're like, Cindy and it is work for the female role. We're gonna change her to Ally. You know I had no idea what that girl's name was. I was gonna say instead of Cindy and me, it's, but I forgot I didn't know her. Ally, I saw that movie once. I think it's Ally. I have no, I didn't have no idea.

I hate that movie. I'm pretty sure it's Noah and Ally. I think the notebook is a terrible movie. I'm not a huge fan either. I don't hate it as much as you do But I saw it once and that was it in high school I used to watch it if a boy broke up with me and then I was like what am I doing dating boys? What am I doing dating boys?

Love it. So by January 1999 Cindy moved into David's house of horse. Good They were only together for eight months when this thing is all said and done. Damn, that's not a lot of time. But they, the love story remains. Okay. So Cindy and the end David Parker Ray are living together in this house. David Parker Ray did his thing for, which we're going to get into. For what authorities believe could be like 40 years.

Wait, how old was he? He was like 67, I want to say. So he started when he was, I don't know, a teenager. And they believe in that time he may have kidnapped, tortured and murdered somewhere between 40 and 60 women. What the fuck? So he's like prolific. Now why do they feel so sure about this? Because David Parker Ray kept detailed, meticulous diaries all through adulthood.

He started that shit when he was young to escape his household and his family, and he continued it. Now, he didn't just keep diaries of like, today I had eggs Benedict and a very weak cup of coffee. Your girl loves an ex-benny. I had no idea. I don't love a week coffee. No, I hate week coffee. But his diaries were records of his crimes that included dates, times, locations, where the kidnapped. So like a fucking confession? And literally the victims with detailed descriptions of their stay in his house of horrors and the torture he inflicted upon them. Oh, so he stayed in his, they stayed in his house. Oh, yeah. So she didn't, she didn't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Trust me. Oh, I don't want to do this. You're here. You're here. You're with me. This is like when you show up to school because you think

that you have like a cool assembly and then you get there and it's like, yeah, like I don't want to be a part of this. About like, not smoking weed and you're like, why are we here? This is your assembly about not smoking weed. I feel like this is your assembly about not torturing you fellow human beings. Exactly. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna. Well, who not just describe in detail what he did to these women and how he took them and everything,

he would write about whether they were turned loose after he tortured them or whether he was killed them, but he never wrote where he put the bodies. Wait, so he would turn people loose? Some people he let go. A lot. And you'll find out why more of them didn't come forward or even know in sometimes what happened. Did you know what happened? Oh god, you're the only one. You're the only one. It's going to get intense. He never wrote where he put the bodies Now this guy he was he was smart. I mean he was he was a

He put together a lot. He could he could build things like you know He and he could engineer things very well and he was just smart about what he was doing unfortunately and No bodies have ever been found in this case ever unfortunately. And no bodies have ever been found in this case. Ever? But it's because one, he never wrote down where he put the bodies into. He lived next to a large expanse of desert, which we'll get into in a little bit, and one of the largest man-made lakes in the United States. So did they check the desert on the lake, though? Many places to put those bodies. Well, they did, but they

can only, you even only check so much out. Yeah it's like you can't get every square inch of the desert. So he was also as we'll get into a little bit. He was also, he was a drifter for a while. He didn't stay in one place for a long period of time. So let's just, let's set a scene. Okay. On March 22nd 1999 at 3.22pm, 9.11 operator in Sierra County, New Mexico received a kind of weird call. It came from a residence in the area, but the caller wasn't responding when she answered the phone. All she could make out was what was clearly like a scuffle and a fight happening, and the phone was clearly off the hook. The caller eventually hung up, but the operator was like, all right, something that's weird. So she called the number back.

A woman answered and she was annoyed out of breath. So clear as someone was going on and she told the dispatcher that she had accidentally phone 911 and that everything was just fine. And then it was hung up really quick. So the dispatcher had her instincts firing at fucking maximum velocity that day because she was like, nope. So she called the local police, she reported the situation and she requested a welfare check at this address. So it was deputy David Olston that was sent out to 513 Bass Road. Located in Elephant Butte, New Mexico. Elephant Butte.

Elephant Butte, New Mexico. I want to live there. No, I don't. Now, truth or consequences or T or C is what the locals call it. Oh, shut up. It's tiny, very tiny. It consists of mostly trailers with dirt roads. Are we moving?

Yes. To truth or consequences? Yes. We're just going to take out. Up and go. Yeah, we're just going to have to take out. So like take out. Up and go. Yeah, we're just gonna stick. So, let's do our first live show there from Truth or Consequentia in a trailer.

We're like, hey guys, we have Jess Array with us. No, we don't. We do not. No, thank you. So it sits along the vast Chuchuun, Chuchuun, Chuchuun. Chuchuun Desert. Chuchuun, Chuchuun.

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people or so and it's supposed to just be like a chill place that people go to like retire. Alright what happened? Who answered the door at the welfare check? Oh, it's coming. I don't care about geography. I dropped out of college. I'm just sitting, I'm sitting a scene. It's very close to Elephant Butte Lake, which

is that big lake I was telling you about. Verse. And if you don't run into David Parker Ray, it's a great place to retire, like I was saying. All right, cool. It also sits next to Elephant Butte State Park, which is the largest state park in New Mexico. Where David Park Array was gameplay employed as a state-ranked park ranger and a mechanic.

Probably want to go there, but there's dead bodies. Yeah. Oh, for sure. So, uh, we're answered. We're going. We're not there yet. We're, we're, is that at the end? No, it's coming.

So, while this deputy Olston is on his way, your route to the residence. Yeah. Okay. Two state park employees, Chris Tagassi and Michael Landford, here that some stuff is going down on the police radio that they had in the office. They just set off to offer deputy Olson assistance. Oh wow. Together. So they were, he knew they knew he was doing the welfare. They're like half no fear park injuries. They're here. When they got near the address, they noticed that there was a car pulled over to the side of the road. What the fuck? Yes. They had this woman that was telling them this stay where she was,

and since more police were coming, they just left her there and were like, you stay here police are coming. We're gonna go to where this is because it might be connected. So they ended up being the first to arrive at 513 Bass Road that day before Deputy Olsen. Now this house was exactly what you're picturing in your brain right? Like guaranteed. It was sitting behind a metal chain link fence with a beware of dog sign on it. Oh no. Which nobody technically hurt, I'm not gonna mention a dog being hurt or anything like that, but later probably in episode two, this one fucked up shit with the dog. No, just warning. So I didn't sign up for this. I know, nobody did.

Right in front of the fence was a wooden sign like the kind you would see marking in state parks and it said David P. Ray, 513 Bass Road. The house itself was gross, dirty, ramshackle, fucking single story place with a flat metal roof. Yeah, I'm just like a scary ass Texas chainsaw massacre. Like house hunters. 100%. I'm looking for this. So I'm looking for this so I'm looking for this my budget is six dollars my budget is this old shoe Was just like shit there were just piles of garbage remnants of semi-truck trailers both like old-ass boats Sheds were like decrepit everywhere like Davy Ray clean up your shit like Davy needed to get it together But when the gassyian Landford came, like they walked up to the house, they knocked on the door.

No one appeared to be home. While they were waiting for the police to show, something else came through. No. The scanner. 911 received another call that a naked, bloody woman with a chain around her neck was running down another road in the area.

Why didn't she knock on anyone's door? Well, she was trying, but most of the door, she knocked on no one was home, and then she was trying to get into people's cars as they pass it, like trying to flag people down, but people were like, if it's seen imagine a naked bloody woman trying to get in your car.

Well, that's, it's like, you gotta look out for number one. That's like a, like, do you you stop like no, I'm sorry. You don't help people. I'm sorry that no yeah, cuz you don't know girl like maybe she's just trying to I'm gonna report it for sure. That's like the fucking lady I drove by exactly you're gonna report that shit like right away. Yeah, but you're not coming in my car girl. I don't know what you're bringing. I don't know what's following you. No. That reminds me of the movie that follows. And I feel really bad. Yeah. So definitely, Deputy Olston, they're

listening to this 911. They're like, what the hell's going on right now? Why is this happening? I'm on the edge of my mother's fucking city. So Deputy Olston finally arrives at the residence. The Gassian Lantford told him that no one seemed to be home, and Olston was like, what the fuck, someone just called 911 from inside of this residence? Like, was it the naked body woman? Well, it was a sin to hit. Let's see, call me.

So sin to hit. So Sierra County Sheriff's arrived on the scene now, and the four of them were like, let's just search the perimeter. So they searched the perimeter of the home home and then they entered because they were able to be just to make sure no one was in there. Like a needed assistance. That was their like probable cause to get in there. They didn't have a warrant yet so they couldn't do a full search.

But no one was in there. They did find some interesting stuff. Tell me. Every window was covered in a heavy dark shade that kept all the light and visibility out of the house. Sounds like my room. The living room contained was like dirty, dark, just shit on the floor, like just awful, like, hoarder-style grossness. Sounds like my room before I meet out. Exactly. Hopefully the comparison stops here. Okay. The living room contained a bed in the corner of the room. A weird out-of-place bed. Okay. The living room contained a bed in the corner of the room,

a weird out-of-place bed. Okay. There was broken glass around it and a broken lamp in there as well. Yep, don't have that. More horrific was the fact that the mattress was completely stained in blood. And there was a bloody ice pick

laying on the floor next to the bed. What's a nice pick again? It's what they used, and I know what you did last summer. Right, we talked about this. And it's what they used and I know what you did last summer. Right, we talked about this. And it's what they used like when Barry's trying to scare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why remember all these names and he like, yeah, got, yeah. So now in each of the four corners of the bed, there were shackles and padlocks arranged in a way that would keep someone spread-eagle if they were attached to them. Above this bed was a pulley kind of

system where chains and hooks were dangling from and against the wall near it was a human-sized box that resembled a makeshift coffin. When they opened this box there were restraints and shackles in it clearly to hold someone in there. That was just the six flags thing. Yeah, that's so intense. Like they were just ahead of this. Right, yeah, I get it. That was just the Six Fogs thing. It was pretty event. Like they were just ahead of this. Right, yeah. I got it. They were just giving them free tickets as well.

They were just giving them season passes to Six Fogs and $300, okay? If nobody else won. If nobody else won. If they were the only winner. I mean, probably shouldn't compare people's fucking struggles in this house to that, but comedic relief house.

What kind of camera is necessary here? Mm-hmm. Now, obviously a scuffle of some kind happened here, but like what the fuck was this bed and all the shit around it? I couldn't be a police officer because I'd be like, you know what? Um, bye. I feel like I retire. Yeah. So day one. Another look around the room revealed a pegboard on the wall, like a court board. Okay. Yeah, were you put like your fun pictures and your door, your bulletins? Or what was there?

On it were a bunch of hanging torture devices. Most appeared to be like DIY jobs, like jagged scrap metals. You know, like things you find out you're dressed. You know, and when I said DIY jobs, I assume you don't know. I'm not sure why. I think I'm just DIY jobs. I'm having a. You know. And when I said DIY jobs, I assume you don't know. She did. I'm not sure why.

I think I'm just DIY jobs. I'm having a moment right now. I don't know. I'm uncomfortable. So, going further into the home, in one of the bedrooms, there were two giant chains hanging from the ceiling with more hooks or strengths and chains around them. The walls were covered in photos of hardcore disturbing pornography, mixed with crude drawings of women being tortured. There was also a bed and a dresser. The top of the dresser was covered in a myriad of spooky disturbing shit, including pliers, scissors, clips, clamps, harnesses, muzzles, and various sex toys in all shapes and sizes.

Is that the photo you posted? Nope. Oh, that was another thing. So now BDSM is fine. If two or more consenting adults want to get freaky, then like by all means, live your spooky life, live your kinky life. But this was like not just a kinky household. This was sinister as fuck and you will find out why well if there's no blood it's like one thing but if there's blood you're like well again two consenting adults do what you want by all means like have your BDSM fun I support you sure but this was not

that so I don't want this to be confused with people who enjoy the DSM right right right now how do I know that this was not just BDSM fun? Cosmutter. Well, as this is being discovered, another 911 call comes in from a woman who said, quote, I'm calling for a young lady that just ran into my house. She says she's just been raped.

She's got a chain on her. Send someone right away. This lady is naked. She says they've been holding her for three days. Oh my God, this poor girl. Now, see her. That we wouldn't let into our car, right? I'm sorry, girl.

So Sierra County deputy Peter Bodowitz, I think it was, responded to this night, Momon call, because now they're having to send people everywhere because it's like naked women, it's just like all kinds of craziness. And when you get a bride, this girl though, like breaking out, oh, how I'm waiting to hear how because it's like naked women. It's just like all kinds of great and when good for this girl though Like breaking out. Oh, however, she did it. She did it. It's amazing. She this girl was the way she maintained her brain here is Unbelievable and so this guy responded to this call

He went to the residence that they called from to say she was there Uh-huh, and he said there was an elderly man waving him to the residence He was like an old couple. Yes, he said his name was Donald, and that this random naked woman with a chain on her neck had literally barged into their home in a blind panic. Oh my God. And was begging them to help her. His wife, Darleen, was the one who immediately called

on at 9-1-1, and he said she was in there helping the woman and trying to calm her down. As he was telling the officer this, the woman ran out the front door towards the officer wearing a pink robe that they adraped around her because they're just like fucking good people, man. And the officer could see she was cut, bruised, beaten, blood all over her. Oh my god. She also had a metal collar around her neck that was closed with a padlock. There was a chain attached to this that was somewhere

around five feet long. Holy shit! When she ran out of the house, she literally screamed to the officer, please don't let them get me. Oh my god! This poor girl! Now this woman was 22-year-old Cynthia Veehill. She ended up being the last known survivor of David Parker Ray and his girlfriend 39-year-old Cindy. She was kidnapped by the pair days earlier and said they chained her up in their home. She said she was repeatedly raped and viciously tortured throughout the experience. Oh no. At the time, she didn't know the address of where she was held, but she had seen their faces and knew that the people holding her went by Dave and Cindy.

Oh. seen their faces and knew that the people holding her went by Dave and Cindy. Oh, she also said to the police officer, she pointed to him and said he's one of you because he was a park ranger and their uniforms looked a lot like similar. Are really similar and he pretended to be a cop to kidnap her. Oh no fucking way. She thought he was one of them. I'm going to get into some more details about her abduction in a minute. It's intense. So now another parks ranger named Byron Wilson was getting ready to leave for the day at this time. And he's like,

now I can't fucking tell. He heard commotion on the scanner about like the naked woman in the nightmare of Bass Street. And he knew that address was a parks and employees home. So he decided to try and compass in the NLP as out. Cause apparently the state parks employees are like don't do that. Yeah. And as he drove there, he passed a cream colored like motorhome RV with two people inside. And he was like, Oh, I know that driver, it was 59 year old co worker, David parker, right? And his girlfriend sent in. He so he just like

passed by them. They like wave to each other and he went to the residence and he noticed that it was David Parkoury's property and he was like, oh shit, I just passed him. They're probably fleeing. So he told the police and they raced to the area where he just came from to try to approach them from all sides and like catch up with them. It ended up being Wilson that found them again, the same and like catch up with them. It ended up being Wilson that found them again, the same guy that had passed by them. Oh, shit. Yeah, because he joined the police. He was like, oh, shit, I just saw them. They thought, I think they thought they were going to try

to escape through the desert. Yeah, but the ended up just like going through town, like it is. So, well, their name is fucking Cindy and Dave Array. So it was Wilson, the park ranger, who got them to pull over, and a bunch of other police surrounded them as well, and he was ordered to step out of the vehicle, like on the loudspeaker and all that. And he, David, parker Ray yelled back, this isn't necessary. I'd be like, ah, have you seen your house, bro? I've seen your collection of Dildos. This is very necessary. You've got a real problem on your hands. Pretty necessary, David. He finally got out. It was immediately arrested. Cindy got out as well, but she was bleeding. She had a huge gash above her left ear and was immediately arrested as well. She was taken to a hospital. David was taken to Richard,

our Cooper Boat Safety Training Center that was located in the state park Yeah, because it was closer and apparently had better resources than the local police department, which like that's alarming It's troubling But whatever now this was a huge case for this place. Yeah, they had no idea how to handle I mean who knows how to handle this really right So they called on the new Mexico state police for assistance. The state police criminal investigator, Wesley LaQuester, arrived at around 6 pm to the place where they were holding him. He immediately told everyone, do not talk to him. The first person we need to hear from is Cynthia Veehill.

The girl girl the woman So Cynthia was at the hospital this whole time obviously they took as soon as they they got her She just get her hospital the entire time she had been there since like 4 p.m She just repeated over and over I'm safe here to herself over and over again. So she was just sitting there going I'm safe here. Oh, I'm safe. That made me like want to cry. She had an day. Oh my God. Oh my God. That really actually made me want to cry. I know right. Oh, you're safe, girl. Like you're safe. I actually just got overwhelmed. That's a prize. She's safe. And she's a badass. I mean, this woman, a lot of

emotions. It's she's I have no idea how her brain functioned on such a high level. Do they get for some food? So she had eaten for days so they did feed her, but she immediately threw it up. Oh! Because not eating for days. Yeah, it's gonna happen. She was covered from head to toe and cuts and bruises. She had a lot of external injuries, like burns, puncture wounds, cuts bruising, but none of them were fatal.

Okay, good. The collar was actually the thing that was causing her the most distress. And the hospital had to have maintenance worker cut it off of her with bolt cutters. Well, yeah, because she, I mean, duh. It was literally like padlocked on her. And when it came off, she launched it across the room like immediately. Like, she came off and she threw it across the room. Because it's like almost like a significant 100%. Oh 100%. You're not a prisoner anymore. Well, when it came off, they said she like immediately calmed.

Like as soon as that thing came off. Yeah. And um, so I just want to take a deep breath. So this is where shit is crazy. So if you, this blew my mind. If you remember, Cindy Hindi came out of that RV with a gashing head wound. Oh my god, are they at the same fucking hospital? And they brought it to the hospital. Shut the fuck up, this is a great.

Well Cindy was brought to the same hospital for treatment. And they escorted Cindy Hindi, right past Cynthia in the hospital. And she saw a screaming. Cindy saw her and freaked out. She started screaming, that's her, don't let her in. She's here for me like Screaming. Oh my god. Can you fucking imagine you get away from these people? Yeah. The fucking bitch that let this happen is right there. It's walking right by you. Oh my god. So Cindy And when was when she was walked past Cynthia?

Cindy's Cindy. Cindy. Cindy. Cindy informed the doctors and nurses that she'd been hitting the head with a lamp and She was treated and released back into police custody. Okay. Before they got her out She pointed at Cynthia and said that girl should be checked because the bitch is on heroin She was then brought to where David was at the training center. Did they inject heroin into her? No, okay, good This is when Cynthia was interviewed by the police because the police got there and remember the police and Investigator was like we need to talk to him. Why did she say she was on heroin? Is that gonna make sense? Yeah, it is so they wanted her Cynthia to be able to talk as soon as possible for like the most accuracy Because obviously it's better when you get it fresh

She so she admitted to the police that she had lost her mother at a young age. She was very close to her mother She turned the drugs as a way to cope She'd become a strange from most of her family and was working as a sex worker to get by She admitted that specifically she was a heroin user and had used it two days before her abduction. Oh, no So she admitted that now this will come back as to why Cindy Cindy yelled that to like, you know, it'll come back later, you'll hear it. Okay. Now we're gonna go back to her abduction. Let me tell you about it. This is what she told the police.

On March 20th, somewhere between 10 and 11 a.m., she had been walking to a restaurant in Albuquerque. She was passing through a parking lot and she ran into someone who she was like kind of familiar with. This guy pointed to a motorhome parked nearby and said like that dude in there would like to hire you for your services for the evening. So she was like, I don't have money, I need money. And she went over to the motorhome. She said the man behind the wheel was older, tan, and had very wrinkly skin, from like sun-big skin, uh-huh, slicked back, gross like light hair, and a bushy mustache. The exact description of David Parker. Oh no. They discussed price. He introduced himself as Dave and she said he was normal, very nice, everything was fine. Once they left the parking lot, he showed her a badge and said he was an

undercover cop and she was under arrest for solicitation. So when he did this, Cindy Indy appeared from behind a curtain behind her and tried to handcuff her, but she fought because she was like, you guys are not a fucking cop. So she started fighting. Well, he had to pull the motor home over and David got one handcuffed on her wrist and then dragged her into the back of the RV. Oh God.

He tried to handcuff her to a pipe that was fitted in the back of the RV, but she kept fucking fighting. So Cindy busted out a cattle prod and threatened her with it. So he chained her to the pipe and kept driving with Cindy now in the passenger seat. A cattle prod? Yes, a cattle prod. And while Cynthia was not going down just yet, she kept messing with her restraints, the handcuffs, and she noticed that the screws

that were holding the pipe to the floor were loosening as she was fucking with them. So she started slowly turning each of them until she took them all out. Oh my God. She was able to slip off the pipe, but the moat right as she did that, the motorhome stopped at a traffic light. She didn't know that was going to happen.

She like fell into a wall and made a sound. The noise got Cindy up out of her seat and she went by there and used the cattle prod to make her compliant. They then stripped her naked, duct taped her mouth and chained her to another part of the motorhome. Oh god No, she said the drive was very long and when they stopped once for gas Cindy used a gun and warned her that if she screamed They just killed her. So when they finally got to raise home it ended up being 150 miles from where they abducted her. Oh my god. She was back there naked with duct tape over her mouth and chained to some

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and it was only a few hours until that TV show, everyone was watching was about to come on. Well, in 1999, that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast with Wondery, the re-watcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast with Wondery, the re-watcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we take it back to 1999. So get out your knee high boots and paste that poster of Angel on the wall.

It's time to enter the Buffy verse. Some of you avid morbid listeners already know what we've gotten store. Hey, Lennon. Join us as we sway our way through Buffy's drama, action, and romance. Episode by episodes. Lacey, follow the rewatcher, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free and they forced her into the house really quickly. She was then led down a hallway to the living room with brown, she said, with brown straight wall paper.

Gross. She said a bed was tucked in the corner, among trash and other gross fucking hills have eyes, type shit. This is when the metal collar was put around her neck, so right away. I'm so stressed out right now. The end of the five-foot chain that was attached to that was chained to a hook on the wall over the bed. She was then forced down on the bed and was chained to the four corners. Like spread eagle. They then blindfolded and gagged her. She suddenly heard a tape recorder turn on. What? So I'm going to read some of this. Please don't. It's really bad.

It's really bad. I'm only going to read some of it. I'm going to leave the rest. If you want to find it, you can find it. This transcripts everywhere. The actual audio. I don't think it's out there, but. Oh, thanks. So they played this for their victims. So great as they got them there. Yes. This is this was what every victim was played when they were as soon as they got there. Like I'm sorry, you're not running a fucking carnival. It starts out- no this is like horror movie shit. No it literally is. This is a horror movie.

This is jigsaw. So it says, hello there bitch. Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Rists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded. You're disoriented and scared too. I would imagine. Perfectly normal into the circumstances. For a little while at least, you need to get your ship together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant to your situation. I'm going to tell you in detail why

you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen happen to you and how long you'll be here I don't know the details of your capture because this tape is being created July 23rd 1993. This was in 1999 Oh my god, and she's like oh great as a general advisory tape for future female captives The information I'm going to give you is based on my experience dealing with captives over a period of several years. Now you are obviously here against your will. Totally helpless. Don't know where you're at. Don't know what's going to happen to you. You're very scared or very pissed off.

I'm sure that you've already tried to get your wrists and ankles loose and know you can't. Now you're just waiting to see what's going to happen next. You probably think you're going to be raped and you're fucking sure right about that. Our primary interest is what you've got between your legs. Oh, well. You'll be raped thoroughly and repeatedly. That's pretty rough, I'm not gonna read it. You can find that if you want to.

Because basically you've been snatched and brought here for us to train and use as a sex slave. Sound kind of far out? Well I suppose it is to the uninitiated, but we do it all the time. It's gonna take a lot of adjustment on your part, and you're not gonna like it one fucking bit. But I don't give a big fucking rat's ass about that. It's not like you're gonna have any choice in the matter.

You've been taken by force, and you're gonna be kept and used by force. What's this amounts to is that you're gonna be kept naked and chained up like an animal to be used in abused anytime we want any way that we want. Okay, can we stop now? And you might as well be getting used to it because you're going to be kept here until such time as we get fucking tired of you. Okay. And we will eventually in a month or two, maybe three. It's no big deal. What is? My lady friend and I have been keeping sex slaves for years. We both have kinky hangups involving rape, dungeon games, etc.

We've found it extremely convenient to keep one or two female captives available constantly to satisfy our particular needs. I'm not gonna go. That's it, that's it, that's it. We're done. That's a wrap, that's a wrap. If you want to read it yourself, go ahead, bye. That's it, that's it, that's it. We're done, we're done. That's a wrap, that's a wrap. If you wanna read it yourself, go ahead, bye. That's a fucking trip. Yeah.

I'm going to circle back to this transcript at one point. No, that's okay. I'm just not gonna read the whole thing, but I am gonna read another small part of it when it becomes relevant. I'm emotional. Basically, these women, that's what she heard. And she heard a lot more than that. That was a very small snippet of how long was it?

It's a real it's a real long and she's looking at it right now Two sides so close it. I don't want the words up That was not that was not the bad stuff you have no idea what comes after that. No, I don't. I'm never gonna. That was not the bad stuff. I'm gonna barf, yeah. So, and Cynthia said, quote, the way he talked,

I didn't feel like this was his first time. It was like he knew what he was doing. He told me I was never going to see my family again. He told me he would kill me like the others. So her deal was fucking horrific. She was led into a room at one point with whips and other torture equipment, mixed in with like legitimate medical equipment, like that I use in autopsies, like scalples and like four seps, all that kind of stuff.

She was hung by chains that were attached to the ceiling and was sexually assaulted and tortured while hanging in the chains. They used an old motor that was attached to her by clamps and cables and used it to administer electric shocks to her for extended periods of time. It was so bad that she would pass out several times as a result. What the f**k? She even said that when they were not actively sexually assaulting and torturing her, they would chain her to the bed by all four limbs and her neck while they just sat next to her on the couch and watched TV like casually.

Like when they would get breaks where they didn't feel like sexually assaulting her and torturing her, they would just watch TV with her chained up next to them. What? Throughout the whole thing. How does that happen in your life, right? Throughout the whole thing, David Parker Ray took multiple photographs of the torture while it was happening. He also showed her photos of other women he had done this too.

She woke up on the morning of March 22, the third day she was there and saw David Parker Ray wearing a uniform she thought was a police officer's uniform. Obviously it was a park ranger uniform. Before he left for work, he told Cynthia that he had a surprise for her. This toy box. This had been discussed vaguely a bunch of other times around Cynthia, but she had no idea what it was. But she had heard the word toy box. So before he left, Ray thought Cynthia had to be too weak and exhausted to try anything, so he removed the chains from her legs and arms, but left the collar that was attached to the wall.

Yeah. The whole time she was alone was Cindy for the whole day. Cindy just sat around and watched TV mostly because she's a big fucking little low-fast. And at one point around 3pm that day the phone rang and Cindy answered it. She placed the keys to Cynthia's restraints down on the coffee table. Yeah, more on. Cindy was just talking on the phone, and she just like walked into the other room while chatting. Cynthia took this moment to stretch her leg out

to the table, and once she got it, she hooked her foot around it and pulled the whole table towards her. She grabbed the keys, and instead of immediately unlocking her restraints, like anybody else would, she took a second to think, and she was like, Cindy could walk into this fucking room at any second, and I need to be smart about this, if I'm gonna make this work. Oh God. So Cynthia slowly started pushing the table back to where it originally was,

because she was like, if Cindy walks back in, she's gonna see that table moved if I don't move it back, and if she doesn't see it moved, then she might not notice that she put those keys there. And that's because she's smart. And that's because she's smart, right? Well, as her leg was outstretched to push the table back, Cindy suddenly walked back into the room. No. She saw her, she was fucking pissed.

She drops the phone and lunges at Cynthia. So she tried to get the keys from her hand But she couldn't because Cynthia was like no way so she grabbed a nearby lamp and hit Cynthia in the head with it Oh good. No. Oh no. No bad fuck Cynthia and Cindy Cindy Cindy, Cindy hit Cynthia in the head with the lamp bad the lamp shattered into pieces But Cynthia was so hopped up on adrenaline at the prospect of escaping that she didn't even feel it, she said. So she got a lamp shattered over her head,

and she kept fighting. Like, that killed somebody. Oh yeah. While they wrestled, Cynthia grabbed the phone that had dropped on the floor and dialed 911. Oh my God. This was the call that was originally answered where they heard all the scuffle.

When Cindy went to end the call, Cynthia grabbed an ice pick that was just casually laying on the fucking floor. I was gonna say she had lots of tools. And slashed her on the back of the head with it. She was now Cindy Hindi is dazed and bleeding immediately. So Cynthia took that opportunity to quickly unlock her chain and run out of the fucking house. Holy shit. She had no idea where she was.

She was 150 miles from where she was taken. She couldn't she hadn't seen during the drive where she went. Right. So she literally has no idea where she's going. She finally seized Donald and Darleen's mobile home and she ran into the door and begged Darleen not to let them get her. Darleen said, the woman who helped her. She said, quote, her wrists looked like hamburger meat. She had beautiful long brown hair and it was all matted with blood. She was dirty all over, her breasts were black and blue, and there were more bruises all over her arms and legs.

Donald heard the commotion and ran out of the bedroom to see this whole thing. When she saw Donald, Cynthia begged him to take the collar off her neck. Like immediately was like, please get this off my neck. But he said he wanted, he really wanted to. But he didn't know how. He said he felt it was also something the police should probably do because it was like something happened here. I don't want to tamper with what's going on. Yeah.

He was like, I really want to take this off of you. I just, I don't think I can. So he was the one who grabbed the pink bathroom to cover her well. What a nice man. Well, Darleen called 911. And while they waited for the police to come, Cynthia hid shivering under the kitchen table. Oh my god. That's how scared she was. Now, this whole interviewer Cynthia told this whole thing was done by the criminal investigator, Wesley the Quester. After he spoke with her and heard all this, he went back to where David Parker ran

and Cindy Hindi were being held in separate rooms at the like boat safety training center. I heard them so badly. They both claimed that they did kidnap Cynthia, but they claimed it was for the purpose of aiding her and kicking her heroin addiction. Oh yeah, you know, I like chaining her to a bed. They said they chained her up to get her.

Well, they just were trying to get her through the super rough withdrawal period Obviously, Ash Like stop judging. Okay. Stop judging. I hate when people do horrible shit and they're not like No one bought this because it's the dumbest story ever Doesn't make any sense. She's like covered in horrible bruises. Yeah, it literally did. And one wall can sit at house. And we saw your house. Yeah. So both of them were charged with one count of kidnapping,

one count of assault, one count of criminal sexual penetration, and two counts of conspiracy. After being charged, they were transported to the Sierra County Criminal Detention Center, and that's when they stopped cooperating. They stopped talking. March 23rd at 7.30 pm, the search warrant for David Parker Ray's property

was officially approved. Where do you think that they like put all the shit that they find in people's houses? Like how do they get rid of it? Well, they don't get rid of it. It goes in an evidence lock. Oh yeah, that was a really dumb question. It was, but I love you.

Thank you. I'm just like really like not a lot. This is a lot. Yeah. So this was like a double wide trailer basically. It was disgusting and cluttered with trash and gross shit. It had a master bedroom, a smaller bedroom, a kitchen, a living room and a bathroom. The clothing that Cynthia was wearing the day she was kidnapped was found in the bedroom.

Along with a ton of other things, there were actually 401 items that did not belong to David or Cindy. Lots of women's jewelry, among other items like women's clothing and women's accessories. 401 items. Now this house sounds like a fucking nightmare, right? Mm-hmm. You have not heard the worst of it my friend. What's the toy box? Beside the house was a large 25-foot white semi-truck trailer. A huge steel dead bolt was locked on the door. A locksmith was brought into a locket and what they found in there is what I... is one of the walls was what I posted a photo of on our Instagram. And is that the toy box?

Yes. That's just one corner of the toy box. This was David Parker Ray's toy box. When you walked in, signs were on the wall that said Satan's den and the bondage room for good reason. The main feature of this toy box was a DIY gynecologist chair. Oh my god. It was black and in the center of the trailer. It had stirrups, cables, or the electrodes, and straps all over it.

What the fuck? It was on a small track on the floor that allowed someone to slide the chair backwards and forwards. No. On the ceiling above the chair was a large mirror, so the victim was able to see what was happening to them. What? No, she's going to get very, uh, warning. What? Warning everybody.

It's real. Real, real, real right now. So just like, hang on, hang on. Call on your butts. Every square inch of the walls, ceilings, and shelving in this trailer were covered in various methods of torture. There were leg spreaders, a branding iron, leather belts, paddles, clamps, sandpaper, what?

Stoblades, needles, suction cups, boresps, whips, and speculums. What's a speculum? It's what they use during your pap smear. I wish you could see Ash's face right there. Where do I feel like I should take a photo? No! No! There were several syringes and bottles of ammonia and chloroform.

The place was fucking chock full of sex toys. And they weren't just like run-of-the-mill sex toys. They were made from wood, metal, and plastic. Oh! Perhaps even most disturbing, we get ready. No, no, no, no! A 15 inch motorized dildo was found. It was attached to a giant motor with some kind of switch that had three levels. Buzzer,

light, and probe. I'm not laughing at this. I'm laughing at that. 15 inches. Yep, motorized. Yep, ropes, pulleys, handcuffs, and chains hung everywhere. In one corner, there was a wooden contraption that seemed to be handmade, and it was used to forcibly bend a victim over. Oh my god, to rape them. I feel, no, I'm not kidding you, I feel nauseous. It was rough.

There were medical books on anatomy and porn magazines everywhere. Why did you pick this? There was also lipstick, mouthwash, perfume perfume. Perfume shampoo and baby lotions. A corkboard had photos of other females being tortured and drawings of fantasies, as done by David Parker-Rays, well scattered along the walls were also medical photos of anatomy and detailed diagrams of methods of torture. One of the large metal drawers pulled out to reveal a slab, not unlike those found in the morgue. One of the most disturbing pieces of paper in the toy box was a list of instructions that was found on a wall that detailed how to use a mechanized tool to inflict maximum damage to a victim's breasts. When you...so what the instructions said...

No, I don't want to know. This is what it said on this thing that was used to hold you to these right. Press. It said quote, this process is very painful and due to the constant motion the body will not adjust to the pain. During the operation, the subject will remain an extremely painful duress. So that's fucking. He signed above these, said the lure of stentanism, and he also had placed two fake skulls nearby with candles, like, shit, you would find in like a 16 year old emo kids room. Like, fuck you guy. Hung up on one wall was a long black robe with a red cape and a Barbie doll wrapped in chains.

There was also a clipboard with a list of names, and alongside it was another paper that contained some words of encouragement, not for the victims, but for David himself. It was kind of like an affirmation of sorts. It's not, I know what you're thinking, it's not like the ones that like your life coach or your yoga teacher gives you. It's not kind of the same. It read, quote, remember, a woman will do or say anything to get loose. They will kick scratch offer money by yell, beg scream, run, offer sex, threaten, lie, wait for opportunity. Standard excuses are sob stories, menstruating, pregnant, venereal disease, AIDS, kids with babysitter, have to work, a sick baby, a sick parent, claustrophobia, missed by husband or friend, bad heart,

can't miss school, don't let her get to you. If she is worth taking, she is worth keeping. And she must be subjected to hypnosis before the woman can be safely released. Never trust a chained captive. So he, one of the things he says in the audio tape that he plays for these women, is like, whatever you say, I'm not gonna believe it. Like, you can say whatever you want, it's not gonna work.

And I think this is to remind himself, like, no matter what they say, don't let them go. Or like, don't give them any sympathy. What? There was also an old television that was mounted on the wall at the foot of the torture chair that also had a video camera aimed at the torture chair. And it was on like a tripod. The entire trailer had been soundproofed so no one outside could hear anything. Oh my god!

Now when they went in there, they just, this is what they found during their search warrant. So this is when the FBI was called him because holy shit. They went to town. Like, in the FBI, even call anyone for help? And literally, they're like, hey, God, are you busy today? Or do you not fucking exist and shit like this happens? They went to town gathering and processing evidence because there was just so much of it. I mean, like, where do you even start?

The FBI's behavioral science unit was utilized for this case as well. This is when Cindy Hindi started talking. Why? She agreed to be formally interviewed by the behavioral science unit. She like excited or something? And what she said was she decided to come clean? She said she did know that David was a dangerous sick dude when she got together with him. She said he had informed her about all of the shit he had done over the 30, 40 years or so before they met. And wait until you hear what Cindy Hendy has to say because we have not even scratched the surface. What? We haven't even scratched the surface. No, no, no, no. We've only talked about Cynthia Bio. Oh my god, do we have to talk to about other people too? There's, we haven't even talked

about the people he murdered. He murdered people. And we have now talked about the ones that could be other ones that got away. How many? So are we talking about? Part two is going to be the conclusion. Um, hey, you know how I like to call and sick for work? I'm gonna call and sick next week. I'm feeling kinda sick. Yeah, I'm not coming in today. Well, I have something lined up for next week and I had something intentionally. Is it fun?

Fluffyer. Fluffyer. Is it fun? Fluffyer. Fluffyer. Is it fluffy? It's fluffy. I need a pillowcase. We'll do a fluffier one, trust me. So this is part one of the toy box scale. David Parker.

How long is part two? Part two, we're gonna wrap it up. We're gonna wrap it up in a nice sandpaper bow. Oh. Oh. I literally told my husband you might not want a list of it. I'm going to tell everyone I know you might not want to listen to this episode. I'm going to tell everyone I don't want to listen to this episode. Yeah.

Any, I'm not okay. Next week we're going to get more into Cynthia. We're going to get more into, you you know What happened after they were arrested? We're gonna talk about the stuff they found after that he was arrested that because they found that he had murder people They found videotapes they found all kinds a whole myriad of spooky awful shit so We're gonna get more into that stuff Next week, so you'll hear more about how Cynthia has been on like an ID discovery.

No, she's not been on Ellen. I don't think this is really an Ellen topic but I feel like can we call it can Ellen host next week? I don't want to host. Ellen, do I have a story for you? Can Dr. Phil host next week to see what the fuck is wrong with you? For doing this to your fucking nice little sister? You're fucked up, Elena. You're fucked up, man. So yeah, I promise um, part two we're gonna, we're gonna give some more shit. You're gonna find out that it'll all, it'll all be wrapped up in a bowl that's at least somewhat satisfying. Not all satisfying, that's somewhat satisfying. I feel nauseous. Yeah.

So we're going to, I think we're going to try to put both of these out this week, because why not? I think we should just rip the band data off, just get it all done. So then we can give something fluffy next week. OK. But so we'll try to do that. Is. I think I have a litter.

I think we've broken out. I think she's broken. I am. I guess. We broke her. We broke Ash. Dude, I'm on Dude on the star break. We're only on episode 20 and we broke Ash. Ash was no longer on there.

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We hope you keep it weird. Notice the difference in inflection this week. So, good bye. I'm never gonna go anywhere alone anymore. Don't go to trees and consequences. Yeah, because there's always consequences. It's no truth treat the consequences. Yeah, because there's always consequences. It's no truth.

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