Morbid - Episode 21: The Toy Box Killer Part 2

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

In the conclusion of our tale covering David Parker Ray and his reprehensible crimes against humanity, we brought some audio clips. I never said this one was going to be easy to digest, guys. But it gets....kind of better at the end? Come on in, you got this far and we are in this together. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Hey, weirdos. I'm Alayna. And I'm Ash. Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. creep creep creep creep creep creep so here we are hey guys we are back we back for part two of david parker ray i'm surprised i came back actually i'm actually surprised you came back welcome i have like what's that um when you come back to the captor or like you start to feel bad. Stockholm syndrome or not. Yeah. Yeah. Stockholm syndrome. I have that with you. You like captured me into this podcast.

See? And I just keep coming back for more abuse. That's right. Forever and ever. Awesome. Great. Well, and I want to say this week is this week is going to get worse. Oh, good.

But then it's going to get, like, slightly better. And then worse again? Me? Uh, kind of. I'd say worse, better, and then, like, medium. And then, like, you just have to, like, move on with your life. Like, we're, yeah, we're going to end on a note that's just like, okay. And then maybe next week we said that we'll do something a little lighter. Yeah, you know how we kind of told you we'll do, like, a fun fucked up case?

Like, something that's... Yeah, like something flowery. Fluffier, you know. We kind of decided that we wanted- we were going to stray away from murder for a week. Yeah. You know. Like, um- So-

Maybe we shouldn't say. So, um, we're from Boston. So- We're just going to talk about burning people. Take from that what you will. Yep. Just saying. All right, so we're fromoston and it's almost october and we're gonna be talking about some whimsical things some magic if

you will some spooky whimsical things all right and that's it it's gonna be spooky we're not we're not giving you anything like yeah i mean this is a fucking when we say fluffy we mean like how like a werewolf is fluffy yeah i like that's what we mean yeah we don't how like a werewolf is fluffy. Yeah. I like that. That's what we mean. Yeah. We don't mean like a fluffy puppy dog. No. So we're staying on brand. Don't worry about it.

Yeah. So we're not going to let you know exactly what we're doing, but you'll be getting it. Hopefully this episode is going to come out quick. I'm going to try to do a quick turnaround with this. I'm hoping to get it out on Monday. So if you're listening to it right now and it's Monday, hooray for me should we talk about some happenings this week let's talk about some happenings so because this is not exactly true crime but it could have been it's it's kind of crime so no it's it's crime it was almost it was attempted crime that is for sure so let's talk about lindsey

fucking lohan for a minute yeah i bet you didn't think that's where we were going with this. No. But I got it. It's so relevant. It's just so relevant. And I love it. Lindsay Lohan tried to kidnap two children on Instagram Live this week. And she did this all while speaking in some kind of like-

Version of an accent. Mashed up like Middle Eastern slash European accent. Like kind of like version of an accent mashed up like middle eastern slash european like kind of that just kept flowing in and out and her voice has become so deep and raspy that it's just became very frightening and she was following these people who she began at first nobly like she yeah like she was saying i know this syrian refugee family they're living on the street they have two kids i want to help them let me help then she walks up to them which i was like on facebook live i was like okay really doing charity lens like throw a camera in their face like throw an iphone x in their

face and be like how can i help you i'd be like fuck you linds but so then they're like yeah no we're good please go away lindsey lohan and she just keeps pressing and following them and that's when she starts getting like super aggressive because she tells the kids to like take her hand she's like take my hand i don't know what happened to that poor girl but in the end what happens at the end so at the end this mom finally gets fed up with lindsey lohan following her and trying to fucking take her kids away and she punches her square in the face to which lindsey lohan falls back and just goes and this all she's like she tried to grab the kid and she was yelling that they were trafficking their children. But I think she was just real confused. And it was like, and it's like, those are their kids.

Like, how are you just saying they're trafficking their children by this? Like, you began this very friendly. I don't understand. It was a very weird video. It was just so much. Maybe she's a part of MKUltra. There you go. She probably is, man.

I think so. Listen to the last podcast on the left. They have a whole thing about mk ultra it's really interesting uh this friday we are going to be recording with right wrong turn podcasts so you'll be getting an episode with a little collaboration with them soon and then this saturday we're going to be collaborating with oops we watched it again and we're gonna do a fun halloween movie episode so stay tuned for that i don't want to give too much out but yeah so that'll be fun so stay tuned because we got a lot of little collaborations coming up and it's gonna be fun

it's gonna be awesome it's gonna be awesome yeah um in true crime news we there's really i mean there's a lot of shit going on right now that i think everybody knows what's going on but there was another little you know story that came up on the news that was struck me right away as odd and when i went online to kind of check out what other people thought about this it seems like there's a general consensus of people who feel who feel the same way about this so it's a sad story it's this little six-year-old boy with autism named matic was in a state park in north carolina with his one thing i read was with his father and his father's girlfriend initially it said his father and his father's girlfriend. Initially it said his father and his father's friends. So I, right now I'm reading an article that says it was him and his girlfriend.

They were with Maddox. They let Maddox run ahead of them. And then the father said that he got like interested in a jogger, like just started running out the jogger. Like he wanted to catch up with him. So he just let him run. And then he lost him. Like he couldn't find him all of a sudden.

Which literally doesn't make sense my thing is the first thing i think is no don't let your kid run too far first of all you have an autistic child the red flag right there that you let an autistic child run that far away from you in a state park like a very unfamiliar yeah there's so many other big open air it's like that's just a lot and then two first i was like well you really couldn't catch up with your child like really that doesn't make any sense apparently other people asked him that and the father said he has diabetic nerve damage so he can't run that fast which okay but you were with somebody yeah why didn't they so why didn't that other

person catch up with your son like none of this makes sense it's just and when i saw it on the news i said to my husband he did it and john was like you are super jaded and i was like no after a while you learn like what seems you just get a feeling that's the thing and this just didn't seem legit to me and i'm really hoping i'm wrong in this, but I don't think I am. I don't think you are. And it seems like a lot of people felt this way, like, right away. Well, didn't you say that the people never saw the boy come in to the park? The people who worked at the park were the ones who called 911, like, an hour later.

Because they weren't informed until, like, an hour after he went missing. And they said that they didn't even see that an hour after he went missing and they said that they didn't even see that kid in the park and they seen they typically see everyone coming from what yeah and from what i've read the fbi because they're investigating it said they have evidence that he was in the park but they won't release what evidence and then the people also said that the father and his girlfriend didn't seem very concerned that their child was missing six-year-old which struck them as weird and it was a few days later it was like close to a week later that they did find maddox unfortunately not alive and i think he was like halfway in a creek like a mile away or something like that

which is awful shit like that makes me so fucking angry and it's just and he was non-verbal apparently it's like the whole thing i'm i'm curious to see what comes out of this no results have come from an autopsy or anything but i'm i'm curious to see how this pans out because it's gonna be a real bummer if it comes out that it's the dad. It's also just really fucked up. I mean, it's going to be a huge bummer. It's sad no matter what. I mean, it's a kid.

Even if it was an accident. But it's like, if this is the dad, it's going to be a real bummer. So hopefully, you know, we'll have an update on that whole thing. But we'll bring you back up a little bit to our amazing Patreons. Oh, okay. I was like, we're bringing them back up with the case we our amazing Patreons. Oh, okay. I was like, we're bringing them back up with the case we're talking about this week. We won't dive into it quite yet. But we had a couple new Patreons that we want to tell how much we love you.

Yeah, we have three new Patreons this week. So thank three new people. Yay. Our first is Kevin Koop. He is a part of the Window Latching Coven. Welcome to the coven, Kevin. Thank you, Kevin. We also have another Window Latching Coven crew member, Veronica Montalvo.

Veronica. I love the name Veronica. That is a, that's a cool name. And we have. That's a cool witch name. It is. Veronica is a very witch name. She's part of the coven.

For sure. Right. It makes sense. Thank you, Veronica. Thanks, Veronica. You da best. And then we have a custom Patreon. Her name is Rebecca.

I'm sorry if I fuck your last name up. It's either C-Empa or K-Empa. Either way, I love it. Yes. And I like how you spell your first name. It's R-E-B-E-K-A-H. I like the name Rebecca, too. Yeah.

These are all nice names. You know what? Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Veronica. And thank you, Rebecca. Thank you, everyone. You guys are bad asses.

We fucking love you. We really do. No, I actually really fucking do. And good things are coming. Because. We're going to get a motherfucking p.o box tomorrow and we actually are like this is a plan and we're hanging out tomorrow and we're going to get one like we're going to be together we're going to go do it we're going to hold each other accountable yeah we're doing this because no excuses we need to get these things some things out to you guys and you know we want to have it there to make everything work.

Yes. So that's going to happen. All right, let's just get this over with. So let's get part two over with. I'm hoping this will be a shorter episode, but who knows? We did talk for a long time in the beginning. Yeah. So I have one little correction before we begin this.

You already fucked up, man. I already fucked up. No, it's just a correction from the first part of the toy box killing episode a listener sean barber messaged us after the first part he just wanted to let us know that it probably wasn't viagra that um david parker ray had called when he was younger remember when i said said he called? Yeah. I think Viagra to like say, will this help me not have to hurt somebody to have an erection? He said it wasn't Viagra probably because that didn't hit the market until 1998.

And he said he knows this because he did like a whole research thing on it. And he was correct. And I had it, I had it half wrong. So he didn't call Viagra when he was younger he did it later in his life so he did do it when it came out in 1998 because it was brand new so he called to be like is this shit gonna help me

like what's gonna happen and they were like no so I did say it incorrectly last time and he is 100% right and when I researched it further it was Viagra that he called about but it was later not when he was a teenager. So, Sean Barber, thank you for pointing that out because that was incorrect of me to say. So, I appreciate it.

And again, we are always down for corrections and constructive criticism. So, send it our way. Yes, please. So, where we left off was Cindy Hindy had started talking. Okay. I'm ready. Now, she told police that he had made it very clear early on that he believed he owned all women, everyone around him, all the women around him, and that they were around solely for the purpose of giving him pleasure. And like we said, he was doing this for like 40

years or so he started way early on in his life doing this and he had actually told cindy about his first murder oh and he said it was when he was around like 20 19 20 years old got into a relationship with him yeah she's crazy hindi girl what's wrong with you? Yeah, she's about to be possibly released anytime now, actually. Oh, fucking awesome. Now I'll really sleep tonight. From an article from like exactly a year ago, actually, they were kind of readying her for release because she struck and I'll explain this at the end of this episode that she struck a plea deal. So don't they always? Right. Exactly. and I'll explain this at the end of this episode that she struck a plea deal. Don't they always. Right exactly.

And it says here that the parole board executive director Joanne Martinez said that if and when she's released she'll likely be on a GPS monitor and will be under a high level of supervision as a sex offender. Well that's good at least. Which is good

but it's like holy shit that lady's gonna be roaming around when people fall through the cracks sometimes like fucking cindy hendy is gonna be roaming around all right now i really need to know what happened i know he told her okay he murdered someone so his first murder was around 19 or 20 years old he said he abducted a girl randomly like a school schoolgirl. Oh, good. And tied her to a tree. He then raped her, beat her, and strangled her to death. Oh, my God. And he's told Hindi that he loved it.

He became aroused by this whole process, including the murder part. So it wasn't just like the, you know, he liked weird torture games. He liked killing her, too. At what point in your relationship is it acceptable to start talking about that i feel like it's like some people say you're like finally comfortable when you can like fart in front of somebody but if you can talk about your murderous rampages but i feel like talking about your first murder is like next level yeah that's when you know you found your soulmate for sure true love i'm telling you it's a love story cindy hindi and david pacaraeva cindy so now from that point on he kept going it's not like he stopped and was like well that was nice i'm not gonna do that again so obsessed he and he but he didn't strike at random again

he like kind of landed out he he found that he liked targeting specifically sex workers because, you know, the old thing where they are, quote, less dead because people don't always know what they do. People people consider it like they're putting themselves in a dangerous position. I'm not saying this is true. I'm saying this is this is how these how these killers work they think well they're putting them in themselves in this position that and they're usually runaways or they're you know they have substance abuse issues yeah they're estranged these people are going to be easy to take nobody's going to be looking for them i can keep them for a long time it's not always fucking true exactly uh cindy said he did have a type and he liked to abduct women that he found physically attractive. He didn't just, because a lot of these killers will just like anything that moves.

Right. You know, but he liked to abduct his type, which is kind of funny because his quote type. Was it not Cindy? Is not Cindy Hinden. So it's like. Well, maybe that was good for her. I know. Right.

Since she didn't die he tend to like um women of asian or latina you know persuasion and he liked big chesticles awesome what did cindy look like cindy and he's like blonde like very she's kind of just like american looking like very yeah like if she walked by you wouldn't be like you wouldn't even damn you wouldn't you wouldn't notice that she walked by oh okay until she took out a ball gag and tried to drag you into a van oh then you would notice thank you very much for that lovely picture that you just painted that's when you would notice her but typically when i notice people now apparently he had initially

lived in fence lake new mexico which is a super tiny place there's like a population of like 50 people and it was mainly ranches and farms and all that shit he owned farmland and he raised cattle and such well he told her that while he was living there, he had been interviewed by the FBI in connection to the disappearance and homicides of like a ton of women in the area. Were some of them his victims? Well, they were coming on a tip that he was involved in some kind of human trafficking slash slavering slash murders. And the tip claimed that Ray had been kidnapping women and trafficking them out. It's alleged that this tip came from none other than Jessa Ray, his daughter. His daughter.

Yup. Now, later, you're going to see that Jessa Ray did this, and then later, she flipped to the other side of the coin, which we'll get into. Uh-oh. He didn't leave. He was smart when it came to what he was doing. Unfortunately. There wasn't any real tangible evidence, so the FBI investigation kind of halted. So he had told Cindy this proudly and claimed he had, quote, talked his way out of the situation.

So basically, he was saying to her, I got away with it. Like, I did it. That's so fucked up. He was kind of admitting to her, like, I did it. I just talked my way out of the situation. So basically, he was saying to her, I got away with it. Like, I did it. That's so fucked up. He was kind of admitting to her. Like, I did it. I just talked my way out of it. And she's like, yeah, I think I'll go on another date with him. Yeah, she's like, you know what?

I think I should move in. This is like my hinge date nightmare. Right? She's like, I think I should move into your crusty old trailer. Right. Now, I think it's- So it's like when my friends go on dating apps and they're like, maybe I should go out with this boy.

I'm like, but what if he's a human trafficker? What if he has a toy box? Yeah. That he spent $100,000 pumping out. I can't even, I went out with my friends the other night and I made them walk me to my car, all of them. Yeah. I made every single one of my friends. Smart.

I was like, you're all coming. Smart. And they were like, you're podcasting too much. And I'm like, I know. You're like, well, I'm going to stay alive. Okay. Hopefully. Because I'm. That's my goal. My head is on a swivel at all times people are like what are your goals this year i'm like staying staying not getting murdered yeah that's my goal that's my goal it's my new year's resolution yeah every year every year keep it

going it's the only one i keep so after this he moved around a lot after he left this ranch he became kind of a drifter at one point he lived in alaska working on some like drilling job so he was like everywhere he was all over the place this whole time he was using a police badge to kidnap and torture women everywhere where did he get a police badge he got like a fake one you can buy one it's like ted bundy used one remember he was like that's fucked maybe we should stop selling those yeah but i feel like you can just people just make them but this could be why there aren't a lot of bodies or evidence because he was moving around so much drifters are tough to nail down it's like oddest tool and henry lee lucas like they were able to

kill a ton which we'll cover later they were able to kill a ton, which we'll cover later. They were able to cover a ton of area and rack up a ton of bodies because drifters are drifters, man. They come in, they blow in, they blow out. Now, because he lived and that's what I'm wondering, too, is they're not finding bodies because maybe he fed a lot of these bodies to like animals on his farm, like pigs. Like once pigs get a taste for blood like they'll destroy a body you can feed bodies to pigs and nothing will be left bones all everything's really gone i know and uh he also owns two like everything will be gone yeah you can that's like one way to do it man i'm not trying to give anybody advice but

uh so he told cindy that he had killed over 30 people over 40 years i believe it he said about 18 of them had happened in sierra county where they currently were residing he said the bodies could be found there could be bodies found in texas in arizona in in alaska because he was drifting everywhere okay but here's what i'm confused about what why didn't he just use cindy hindi as his like sex slave she was into it that's why together because she because he doesn't want somebody into it oh yeah dumb question she he knows she's faking but why even if she pretends to be in pain and stuff because she was into it enough that she could

help him. And a lot of these, which we'll cover more, we'll cover more like couple killers too because a lot of times having a woman as part of it helps these men get the trust of other women. Because when you see a woman there, it does lower

your guard. You think, it's not just a woman there, it does lower your guard. You think, it's not just a man trying to get me. I mean, not me. Not me. Don't try me. Not me. I'm not trusting you. Don't try me, fools.

Don't trust me. Don't trust me. Don't try me. I mean, don't trust me either. Don't trust anybody, really. Just don't. Just don't. Like I said, don't.

I mean, don't trust anyone. Don't help anyone. No. Just keep to yourself. That's all. that's our advice um she also told police that he was incredibly meticulous when it came to removing any ties or connection to himself from these victims damn he would remove all identification as well as like jewelry clothing anything that could be used later to identify them even like if they had any kind of

like specific jewelry that had names on it or something or something that somebody could point to to be like she always wore this he would remove it and they i mean they found what was it over 401 items in that yeah that was bananas that was not him or cindy's it's like they came from somewhere now he told some very detailed stories to Cindy about other various murders throughout the years like shooting girls in the back of the head and such and in one instance he said that he was dumping a body and he didn't tell her where but he said he was out dumping a body wherever he did it and he threw the body into a ravine and he had tossed some dirt over it and left but before he got home

he was like huh i'd really like to keep that particular girl's skull as a trophy did he and so he went back when he got there there was a big giant dog just sitting on top or standing on top of the makeshift grave and he took that as a bad omen so he just split oh wow but he told her that like very specific story which he's obviously like that seems like he's telling the truth you know he's not just bragging and making shit up like that's a very specific story to tell so that was a weird one um a lot of the devices found in the toy box were made by ray himself yeah because he was a mechanic he was like a tinkerer he knew how he was really good at his hands really good at like putting things together

making things different things out of like repurposing different tools and i mean unfortunately he used that kind of like for smart mind for evil shit but he could have gone to like mit and it would have been great but You fucked up, David. We mentioned in part one that they found a leg spreader. I hated that part. It was exactly what it sounds like. But if the woman attempted to close her knees, spikes would impale into her legs on either side. Shut the fuck up.

Yeah. It's crazy. Oh, besides the leg spreader, at this time they found that he had a Freddy fucking Kruger glove that he made. And he named it the Freddy Kruger glove. You're fucking with me. Nope. It was a glove that had blades on the fingers. Not kidding. Oh my god.

I mean, he's even more horror movie villain than we originally picked him as. Because he literally, like, tried to be. He's even more horror movie villain than we originally picked him as. He had a Freddy Krueger glove that he named that. That's really fucked up. He made himself like Freddy Krueger. I want to post to on the Instagram part of the documentary I was watching was showing one of the sex toys I'll call it.

He made it out of pvc pipe and it's gigantic and he had marked uh the inches like how big it was this one contraption has also uh nails that he melted into the pvc pipe so that oh my god it would literally tear up someone's insides and outside what the fuck but don't worry guys i'll post a photo of that on instagram like what the fuck so this is the documentary that i took a lot of information from uh kind of had the investigator going into the toy box and showing off some of the artifacts that were in there. And here's a little clip of the guy talking about a special little sex toy, if you will. And then he had the dildo fashioned out of, looks like a plastic pipe, actually. These are nails that have been melted into this plastic collar and this would

be inserted in her vagina or anal canal and he would work it and work it until he could get it all the way in and then they would have these spikes here they're going to go in you're going to get poked it's going to be very painful and rip their inner thighs out who would even want to go in there and see all of that i know i feel like even it's funny because in the in the clip the guy's like sweating buckets like you can tell it's like a weird attraction it's just like a very unfortunate place to be and it's probably like oh no there's demons in there buddy there is you couldn't pay me all the money in the world to fucking step foot even near that yeah no so just to really hammer in what happened some of you who read the transcript probably know what i'm gonna mention here

just a first in case you didn't really know that this was like the worst dude on the planet part of his his um audio tape which i won't read because it's really horrific nope was explaining to the woman that um remember how i mentioned that there would be a dog involved oh i thought we were gonna get out of it without the dog we're not so i just really want to hammer in that how bad this dude is uh he would tell the one it's part of the audio tape that they would hear immediately getting there that he said you're gonna like because you wanted to let them know what they were in for and he said um one of the things i like to do is he said now i mentioned that he had a contraption in that toy box that was meant to forcibly bend a woman over and keep

them in a position to rape them. He said that he would have people over sometimes for a party and he liked to bring his sex slaves out in front of the party. What? Put them in that contraption. Put a little breeding spray on

them from dog breeders. No. Bring his German shepherd in and have his dog rape the woman in front of a party of people i wish you could see ashley's face what yep he did it did any of these people that were at the parties get caught that's what kills me i don't know what happened with that it's like i don't know he clearly hung out with i mean like the degenerates of the earth but it's like poor dogs don't know what they're doing well and he said in the thing that's why i said like i don't even know how to explain this like this is animal

abuse this is animal abuse but like in a different way you know what i mean like i didn't even know how to really how do i preface that there's no fucking book on that so but yeah so that was part of the whole thing and the way he and i'm again those who have read the transcripts know the details he went into and i'm not going to get into them but he went into a lot of detail i refuse to ever read about how terrible it would be for her and it's it just like conjures up the worst images in your brain that you can possibly ever think of yeah but um yeah so wow now she also corroborated cynthia's statement about ray taking a ton of pictures of her throughout the torture and also showing her photos of previous women because cynthia had said i saw other photos he has them on the walls he would show me them like i saw this i know he's done

this before she was only there for three days and she saw so much exactly stuff well cindy said ray loved taking pictures of the process but he would often because again he's he's pretty smart he would often destroy each set of photos after a particular amount of time so that nothing could ever be found. Like he would keep this collection of photos and then he'd get someone new. And he would destroy those and get a whole new one because he was like, I can't. As much as, which that's a lot of impulse control too. Right. A lot of these dudes keep this shit and that's how they end up getting caught because they can't help themselves.

They can't get rid of it. They need to have it. Where the fuck did he get those photos developed? Right? I wonder if it was Polaroids or something. It must have been. Because I feel like it's like, exactly. Like, where are you getting that?

Can you imagine being that photo lab person being like, yeah, I quit today because minimum wage. I don't really want to do this anymore. So, aside from the journals that we spoke about previously that he really was into, and those journals kept detailed, you know, information about the dates of abduction, the location, the details of torture he inflicted on these women, he also kept something he called physiological forms. What's that? He also kept something he called physiological forms. What's that? These were forms that contained, like, weirdly clinical information about the victims, like weight, height, age.

He was being a doctor? And shit. Like, he was playing doctor. It's, like, bizarre. And it seems like he just, like, needed, he, like, really liked having paperwork. Did he actually weigh them? I'm sure. That's so bizarre. He probably had ways to weigh them somehow.

Ew. Cindy said she was, she first said she was never present for a murder, but then she confessed to helping Ray abduct and torture some of these victims. She was fucking there for a murder. For sure. Go fuck yourself, Cindy. And in fact, she came out with a pretty big confession relating to that. She said in February of 1999, the same year, only a month before abducting Cynthia Vigil, she helped Ray take a woman she called Angela.

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And, of course, the first thing you're thinking is, like, where the fuck is Angela? Like, if they dropped her off alive, why has nothing come out about this? Well, we'll get to that. So now Ray wouldn't talk and police were, like, scrambling to get any information at all from him about him aside from what cindy was telling them so they found out that his co-workers and boss were shocked beyond belief that he was even being accused of all this and called they all called him one of the nicest guys you could ever meet that's so scary how people can really like totally one person in one situation and totally different the other and his boss went as far as to put him on paid leave during this whole thing while he was waiting for trial time

i literally was like you're fucking he was just so sure that he wasn't guilty that he was like i'm gonna take care of him while he's dealing with i wonder how he feels about that now i know i can't imagine and i saw in a documentary about the, they interviewed one of his former co-workers. This guy was just like, yeah, he's a real nice guy. And they showed off his car. And they're like, yeah, this is Dave's car that he used. His state park truck. Yeah.

And they showed off a welding mask that was his. And it has his name on it. Oh, that's creepy. Right? And they still have it and they still haven't used original tools that he made by his like by hand to catch he made these tools to catch snakes around the park yeah and he wrote he like made them out of like you know different things right and he had written on them snake catcher on them and they still use them oh that's fucked up like they were showing them and i'm like maybe don't use it like maybe make them again like

don't use those so that's bizarre now ray's sister wasn't shocked like he was she was like yeah you should have grown up yeah like she was not on the same level as these parks guys she was like no and she's like i found some weird shit in his room. Exactly. She referred right back to those sketches and photographs that she found when he was only 14 when she found those. Oh, my God. Can you imagine, like, you think you have a creepy little brother and then you find that shit out? Exactly.

And at 14, he flat out told her, I can't have sex with anyone without hurting them yeah that's really fucked up and she was like i don't know what to do she's like well you're 14 so why are you having sex and it's like exactly it's like you're 14 what are you doing so his he did and again he had jess aray and he also had david jr a son his son was not close to him, but was raised mostly by his grandmother. He didn't really know David Parker Ray. Okay. Didn't really see him. Investigators actually tried to see if they could potentially try to use his son to get a confession out of him.

Even through all of this and basically like abandoning him as a child, his son said he like burst into tears when they asked him about it and he said i just don't know if i can turn on my father that way wow even after everything so it's like he had some kind of that's like a situation that you don't know what you would do yeah faced with it because i would be like no i would totally turn my dad in i don't know faced with that happens yeah it's like you want to believe you just automatically do you know what was right for society but it's like but then there's that there's still that biological connection it's a strong connection um so obviously we have multiple victims and a huge shit storm of chaos in this case like everything is just kind of like um now the journals he kept

had dates locations details about the torture but no names oh it was it was compelling but not good for identification purposes which is what he wanted he wanted that he wanted his own log but not something that would incriminate him yeah like he knew he could explain that away and if he figured it out you know book yeah and in those journals he wrote down and they show like in some of the documentaries like they have the journals he wrote down the number of times he tortured these women like he like crossed them out like with tick marks what the fuck yeah now since their capture the news went bananas around the area it like national

news stations coming swarming around and this was actually a good thing because the coverage led to a woman coming forward well that's the thing you probably like wouldn't want to because you're afraid well and he made sure that these women didn't come forward so this woman was angelica montano She was a former resident of Truth or Consequences, and she hung around the same haunts that Cindy did. She was living in Colorado now. But Wednesday, February 17th, 1999, so this is the February, you're right, the Angela,

that Cindy, like a month before Cynthia Vigil was abducted. Sure. So Cindy was hanging out with Angelica at like some bar wherever cindy invited her back to their house to her house to hang out they ambushed her when she got there chained her up the same way cynthia was can you imagine you just thought you were going to hang out with your girlfriend yeah like your friend it's insane like because she was literally just hanging out with her friend and she was like oh come back to my house so she came back you wouldn't ever think twice about that and just like came into the house and they just ambushed her so fucked up yeah

she was kept for days as well and she said cindy helped ray the whole time right she said it was four days that she was kept repeated rapes torture and beatings she claimed that she started to beg for her life and told them she had a young child to care for and it was actually cindy that seemed to listen and like kind of soften to that oh my god yeah and she could cindy convince ray to drop her off alive somewhere so she was just dropped randomly somewhere and wanted, she immediately was like, I just want to get to my mom's house. So she started hitchhiking. I don't know. I don't know how she like started.

How do you get in another car? How do you trust another human being? I feel like you must just have to get as far away as possible. It's just survival. Exactly. So they just let her walk out? They just dropped her off and let her walk away now she was picked up by an off-duty police deputy oh wow and she told him the entire story

and he did nothing he thought it was crazy he was like no that's insane like no that's not real so he never reported it what the fuck right what like? What? Like, yeah, crime is crazy. Yeah. Yep. That just made me so angry. Oh, no, that's just dumb. Like, he was literally like, that's too over the top, which I realize that this story is like out of control.

But if someone's telling you that this just may just follow up on it, why not even just follow? I wonder how he felt when this all came out. Because it's like, even if she's not telling the truth, follow up on it. Why not even just follow up? I wonder how he felt when this all came out. Because it's like, even if she's not telling the truth, follow up on it. That's your job. Right? Literally, that is your job, to follow up on things that get reported. That's it.

I'm done. Yeah. So this is obviously the Angela that Cindy was referring to in the interview. Yeah. This led investigators to now start really believing that there was a lot more victims than they initially thought. The FBI decided to release some of the images they found among his items in the trailer. Oh, God. And in some of them, there was a woman with a very distinctive swan tattoo on her ankle.

Oh. That one, they found an entire video of some of her torture. Oh, my God. they found an entire video of her some of her torture oh my god and she's in the video she's completely naked strapped to the gynecological chair there's bits and pieces of this video that they show that it's horrifying they show it well it's it's hard to explain like i know it sounds like it would be very awful and graphic they show bits and pieces of it so it's like grainy you can see someone strapped to a chair and you can see him moving around her you know what i mean like it's very odd it's it's just unsettling more than anything and you can see she's strapped to the chair she

can't she's very out of it and he's like touching her because they drugged them right yeah which we'll get to in a little bit but and in this video right before the video yeah um he they they said they because when the fbi was searching these things they found a lot of like nonsense videos that you know everyone everyone recorded tapes back then vhs tapes yeah and so this one they found was him in his toy box and he was setting up the video camera and like testing it moving over to the chair and being like testing one two seeing if he could hear his voice like fucked up like he was trying to make sure he got the best sound yeah like what we do before literally like sound checking

and then they said it was like a lot of that and they were like that's weird but that but that alone they're like maybe this is just something he likes to do with his partner. And he's trying to make sure that he can get good video of it. That alone is not fucked up. Whatever. People do what they want to do. But then all of a sudden. They started hitting these tapes. Well, all of a sudden, this one tape cuts out.

And then it comes right back. And this woman is in the chair. It's spooky. So, yeah. In this one video, this woman had a very distinctive and very specific swan tattoo. It wasn't on her ankle. It was on her calf. Oh, okay.

On the side of her calf. So they, like, were unable, the FBI was able to enhance that tattoo, and they were able to show it on TV and be like, if you have this tattoo. Please come forward. Come forward. TV and be like, if you have this tattoo, please come forward. Come forward. So this woman named Kelly Garrett or Kelly Van Cleave. I think her name, her married name is Van Cleave.

Came forward. She came forward and said, holy shit, that's me in the video. Did she not remember? Now, she was a nanny at the time and she was friends with Jessa Ray. Oh my God. But had never been, she said she had never been to the parker ray residence so this happened to her and she didn't remember yep so she didn't remember it completely because he had drugged her before he let her loose now there's a quote i'm going to quote the video the audio audio tape again. Why do you do this? This isn't as unsettling as the other ones. So this is what, this will just explain what happened. Okay.

Now this is part of the audio tape that you would play for every single one of these women. It says, quote, I get off on mind games. After we get completely through with you, you're going to be drugged up real heavy with a combination of sodium pentothal and phenobarbital. They are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely susceptible to hypnosis, audio hypnosis, and hypnotic suggestion. You're going to be kept drugged a couple of days while I play with your mind. By the time I get through brainwashing you, you're not going to remember a fucking thing about this little adventure. What?

So he would literally drug these women up and then just fill their mind with, like, literally just warp their brain and memory and then let them loose. So these women would be like, wait, what just happened? Like, what is going on? Exactly. like wait what just happened like what is going on exactly and this this kelly garrett or ben cleave that i saw a i saw an interview with her and she said that she for like a whole year she was like i had these weird nightmares where i would be like i'd be chained up to something and i couldn't get loose and like i'd have a gag in my mouth and it would like freak me out i'd wake up freaking out thinking why am i having these random nightmares and so she was like what the hell's going on she had no idea

that it was actually real so in july 1996 she'd been living in elephant butte with her husband they had a fight and she left to blow up some steam at the local bars yeah where one jess at rye liked to hang there is where she struck up a conversation with 29 year old jesse ray now after hanging out all night jesse told kelly that she would give her a ride home on her motorcycle she said oh i just gotta stop at my dad's house real quick is that cool always answer no to that no i gotta go always say no it's not cool that's a major inconvenience also just don't go home with people randomly it's not a good idea uh when they got there kelly waited in the living room of horrors while jesse went to chat with her dad real quick and she said everything was like whatever all of a sudden jesse and david come

into the room with fucking weapons and duct tape oh my god she was incapacitated and put in the toy box now luckily kelly doesn't remember all the details after this because david forced those drugs into her that caused all the amnesia but after three days of torture he took kelly in his state park uniform and park ranger vehicle back to her in-laws house and said he found her wandering on the beach oh my god so he literally dropped her back off wearing his park ranger uniform in the park ranger vehicle and just said i found her wandering and i wanted to get her home what the fuck yeah she said she never reported it because she couldn't remember so much and she started believing it was a nightmare she was like like, I don't know what happened.

This whole thing could have been in my brain. That is so horrible. She couldn't believe it when she saw herself in the video. Oh my God. Can you imagine? That must destroy your life. Like you're just like, what the fuck? That happened to me.

Because they showed her the video. And now obviously this was back in 1996. So Jessie Ray like enjoyed doing this weird shit with her dad? And that's what i think there's i think there's like more to that i just think there's more to that and this was way back in 1996 so this was before cindy and he had even met oh wow so he was just using jesse before her oh damn as like his wingman so this makes me think now because in the audio tape in the in part one he says in that original tape that it was that the original one remember he says like i don't know the details

about your abduction because this was made i'm making this tape in 1993 yeah but in that he says me and my lady have some weird hang-ups and when i first heard that i was like but you don't have cindy then in 1993 so it's jesse exactly and i was like that's weird so he was talking about fucking jesse i think that's so disgustingly horrible like i'm pretty certain there's incest there no there's gotta be like so certain i don't think i've been more certain about anything did anything happen to jesse well yes continue continue now immediately jesse ray was arrested okay good um on april 6th that year right before the formal charges were announced cindy's lawyers offered the da some information if they agreed to reduce charges against her.

Okay. Out of nowhere. She, now in this, because this was right after all these women are coming out. So she was like, I have more to say. Exactly. So she agreed to testify against David. And she said he introduced her to his passion for abducting and torturing women in his toy box pretty early on. And she said she was super shocked first, but she was so obsessed with him that she was like, fuck it. All right. Like, I'll just go with it super shocked first but she was so obsessed with him

that she was like fuck it all right like i'll just go with it like why was she she was obsessed i'm like what first of all if you look at this dude he's nasty he looks like a fucking beat up leather shoe and you look like a leather like he looks like a fucking leather shoe that has been through some shit and then also i heard part of the tapes like the audio tape but i'm going to and his voice is like this little dink ass hick voice he says naked naked like he's like you're gonna be kept naked and it's like what oh i just looked at him isn't he gross yeah and she was like i'm so obsessed with him that I just went with it. Ew.

It's so gross. Like, wow. Yeah. He's a rough looking dude. I have a quick clip of David himself in the audio tape that he would play for the girls. And I'm not playing you a crazy clip. Don't worry. It's just I want you to hear how gross his voice is so here's him talking about what's gonna happen to them hello there bitch

i'm going to tell you in detail why you have been kidnapped what's going to happen to you now you are obviously here against your will you're going to be kept chained in a variety of different positions. Usually with your legs or knees forced wide apart. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. No. No.

No. I'm done. Broken ass. I'm broke. Ugh. He even sounds like a leather shoe. Sounds like what a leather shoe would sound like. He sounds like a little shitty leather shoe. It is a leather shoe. Sounds like what a leather shoe would sound like. He sounds like a little shitty leather shoe.

It is a little shitty. That has holes in it. Yuck. And it's stanky. And you get rocks in it. It smells like it needs some Gold Bond. And it smells like Richard Ramirez's breath. Yeah, it's just bad news.

So she claimed in the one month after she moved in, she helped him abduct several women. Only in one month after she moved in. She said they were all in like surrounding towns. And she said they let some of them go like Angelica and Kelly, but all the others were killed. Damn. She said she knew of at least 14 girls that he had murdered. She knew of. So that's all that she had her for

like a few years literally not even a few years they were only together for eight months when they got arrested oh shit yeah i forgot that part so in that whole span she knew of 14 girls oh in a couple months he was doing this shit yeah now he had told her that he used elephant butte state park to dispose of the bodies which is not shocking and which is brilliant because it's like fucking state parks they're huge and they're huge so you just can't you can't cover everything he told her and this is so spooky i hate it he told her that he learned throughout this whole thing that in order to that you know you can't just dump a body in the water even if you weight them down eventually the air is going to shoot them up to the surface so what he learned throughout this whole thing was to make the body stay in the water you have to eviscerate the body cavity

before weighing them down so like empty out all their organs literally just empty them out because otherwise gases and stuff are going to trap in there and eventually they're going to shoot to the surface i don't have words for that no elephant butte lake is 23 miles long three to four miles wide and at some places 90 to 100 feet deep oh my god so you can't even dive so divers went right into this lake after they after i'm like you can't even dive. So divers went right into this lake after they, after Cindy. I'm like, you can't dive that deep. You can't dive in there. But well, they, after Cindy said this, that he told her this, that this is how he disposed of them. They don't, they went right in.

They were like, we got to find something. They, they haven't found anything. And they said, we literally can't search at all. It's 23 miles long. Right. It's huge. He picked a perfect place unfortunately oh my god then she said this is like a bombshell she said it was not just david jesse and cindy doing this who else was

it there was someone else that helped them she said the fourth person had actually helped david murder one of his victims this guy was named royancey, and he was a younger kid. And he was like a real piece of shit kid. Clearly. Truth or consequences, had to cancel Halloween one year when he and his friends were young because they were killing cats and destroying tombstones. Oh my god.

So they canceled Halloween. Like, little kids couldn't go out. That's so fucked up. This is a dick. So they tracked down Roy Yancey and brought him in. They tell him Cindy's story. And bam, he just like breaks. Oh shit.

Like he's like boom and he just confesses the whole thing. He did it. He said he was one time, he said he was not involved in all the murders. And he said but one time he was forced by David to murder a woman named Marie Parker. Why? Roy Yancey marie had been dating he took her to a fourth of july party at david's house in 1997 why did he kill her everyone was super drunk and david had drugged her and david then forced ray to go with him and drag her back

to his toy box oh my god he said he had heard rumors of this toy box but he never actually saw it until then he didn't think it was real he then held a gun to roy's head and handed him a rope and he said you know what you need to do and he said he he had to make a choice and he made a choice that would haunt him forever so he fucking does haunt you he said david then drove he and marie's body to monticello canyon and buried her, which is like in the desert. Holy fuck. Yeah. He just forced him to murder his girlfriend for no fucking reason.

Just because he could. Just because he could. What a leather shoe. A fucking leather shoe. Like a shitty leather shoe. He then, so Roy Yancey agreed to lead them to the burial site. And he did? And they went.

Did they find her? Well, they didn't find anything. But Roy said he 100% believed that David had come back and moved her. Because he said he knew that he would never allow something to be a liability to him. And even though he had Roy Yancey as the one who killed her like he could be like i don't do it he could still be involved if he knew where that body was he was like nothing is being traced back to me like he's that hardcore so they're gathering what they can now and now they have the testimonies of roy and cindy with no bodies a first degree murder conviction was

really tough but they were doing three separate trials one for kelly one for angelica and one for cynthia they didn't count on the fact though that david was a fucking charmer even behind bars really he could manipulate shit from prison and so five months before david's trial for the rape and torture of kelly gar Van Cleave, suddenly they get word out of nowhere that Roy Yancey changed his mind and refuses to cooperate. Was David allowed to talk to him? Well, according to prison guards, Roy had received an anonymous note a few days earlier that simply said, quote, rats die in jail. Oh, shit. Prosecutors were sure it was from David.

My God. Roy was fucking terrified they said and instead of cooperating he just pled guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 30 years in prison oh my god so instead of testifying against this dude he was like over 30 i'll just i'm gonna go to jail for 30 like i i'm guilty what so now all they had was Cindy. In November 1999, the DA got news that Cindy was suddenly recanting her confessions. Why? When David had learned that Cindy was turning on him and was going to testify against him, he started smuggling love letters to her and wooing her in prison. She fell for it like a fucking dumbass.

Because she was obsessed with him and then she filed a motion to withdraw her plea agreement and he he at one point got a tattoo in prison of her name and yeah and like told her that said cindy that says cindy wow so she but she fell for it well yeah so fucking dumb he got exactly what he needed from her for her to withdraw everything now i'm getting real interested i know so judge murta handed cindy 36 years in prison for cynthia and angelica's abduction and torture kelly testified i know kelly testified at her own trial which is badass and said she didn't want him to get the death penalty because she wanted him to suffer like she had yeah now all they had was the video of kelly's torture to really nail this guy for something big his lawyers just claimed and his lawyer is like what pieces of shit they just

claimed it was consensual bdsm oh yeah like that video of kelly like literally out of it barely awake and being tortured in the toy box. They were like, that was consensual. She's not fucking coherent. Are you kidding me? Oh my God. They said every woman he had in there agreed to it for payment or for exchange of drugs. Oh my God.

Some of the jurors bought that shit. Yeah, of course they did. And they came back deadlocked. Two jurors ended up being holdouts and thought it could have been consensual so the judge had to declare a mistrial oh my god now now we're on to cynthia's case so in 2001 they went to trial and she was obviously coherent throughout her ordeal so that i know so they had that going for them, that Cynthia could tell them this is what happened. Yeah.

She wanted to be damn sure that that jury knew she was not a willing participant. Did she testify? She did. So she testified against him. She was in tears and obviously distraught throughout. She even yelled at him and called him a bastard in the courtroom. Good. yelled at him and called him a bastard in the courtroom good before the jury broke to deliberate suddenly david's lawyer stands up and says he wants to do a plea deal you see jessarae was about

to stand trial of her own for helping him so his deal was he would plead guilty to all remaining charges if jesse was released with time served. What? They agreed, and he was sentenced to 224 years in prison. Oh my god, 224 years. Yep. Good. That's not even enough. Glenda Jean Ray, Jessa Ray. Is walking the streets.

Pleaded no contest to kidnapping charges in 2001 and was sentenced to two and a half years in prison. Are you kidding me? Plus five years of probation in connection to her father's shit. Now, Ray found God in prison. Oh, don't they all? So everything was forgiven. Don't worry.

Totally. In May 2002, David contacted authorities and said, I'll talk. So they were like, holy shit. So they scheduled a meeting as quick as they could right before it he died of a heart attack no fucking way yep he died he was gonna die he died eight months after sentencing he only served eight months after his sentencing well that sucks he'd been held for two and a half years while awaiting trial and retrial, but only eight months after, of 224 years. Oh my god, that makes me so angry.

Yeah. Do you think that, like, people can give themselves heart attacks? Sometimes I wonder about stuff like that. I just think, it seems like it was his last, like, little fucking, like, he got out of it so fucking easy. That dude didn't get, didn't pay for anything. No. He got out of it so fucking easy. That dude didn't pay for anything.

No. It's hard to find updates on this case because they have no bodies. So they're having trouble kind of getting anything. One thing that they seem to be connecting to him is in 1995, Jessie Ray's girlfriend disappeared. Her name was Jill Troia, I believe it's pronounced. She was 23. She was last seen at the Frontier restaurant in Albuquerque with her girlfriend, Jesserai.

Ray told police that she left the restaurant after they got in a fight and that her father, David Parker Ray, picked her up. Now investigators are suspecting that he had something to do with her disappearance. She might have been brought back to the toy box. Wow. So if I can find any updates i'll update you know on instagram or whatever wherever i can but uh yeah so that is uh david parker ray oh jesse the toy box killer i know she is rough yikes this is just a bunch of rough people looking people yeah we'll post pics doing rough things yeah i'll post more pictures it's it's this case is something man

it's something goodbye goodbye goodbye i'm done we definitely broke ash but don't worry we're gonna bring you back up oh god bring me we're gonna bring you back up this week with some some history some spooky history i mean it's still gonna be like shit it's gonna it's always gonna be it's always gonna be some shit but it's not gonna be this shit it's gonna be some fluffy shit it's gonna be again i say like a werewolf fluffy not like a fluffy puppy like a werewolf dire wolf yeah like a fluffy dire wolf so it's gonna have some some bite to it but it's still gonna be fluffy oh i don't have words left i know it's a lot are we done we're done so again uh if you if you haven't read the transcript and you want to don't do it just don't do it i've kind of given you all the

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is probably better for your mental stability because... I'm not reading it. I read the whole thing. It's the most messed up thing I've ever read. I'm not reading it. I read the whole thing. I, it's the most messed up thing I've ever read. I'm never reading it. For sure. But. Not, not interested.

I mean, it doesn't stick with me because I'm able to kind of like compartmentalize it. I'm not. I don't, I don't know if everybody is as removed as I am. So. I don't want it. I don't recommend it. Yeah. I just don't. But, um, yeah't but um yeah so that's that thanks for

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Peace out, bitches. Leap tight. Do not build a toy box yeah I was gonna say do not let the David Ray I was gonna say that too I mean don't do that either or the Jessa Rye

and you know what if you run into Cinder Hender punch her in the face run the other way cause that bitch is strong as fuck apparently and prison just makes a bitch stronger exactly she was probably pumping iron because that bitch is strong as fuck apparently so go away

and prison just makes a bitch stronger exactly she was probably pumping iron you ever seen double jeopardy that's a great one bye I'm going to go.