Morbid - Episode 221: The Los Feliz Murder House

Episode Date: March 29, 2021

It's a DO-OVER! This tale has always been such a crazy one that we just had to do it again and do it right.  On December 6, 1959, respected and renowned doctor, Harold Perelson, turned his family's dream home into a nightmare when he snapped in the dead of night and left a trail of blood in his wake. This house would come to be known as the Los Feliz Murder House for a good reason. Some interesting links: Dr. Perelson's Published Paper Article Movie Will Be Based On By Jeff Maysh https://the-line-up.com/los-feliz-murder-house https://strangeremains.com/2019/12/26/the-sinister-story-of-las-murder-mansion/ As always, thank you to our lovely sponsors! Canva Design like a pro with Canva Pro! Right now, you can get a FREE 45-day extended trial when you use my promo code! Just go to Canva.me/morbid to get your FREE 45-day extended trial. Embark Right now, Embark has an offer on their Breed and Health Kit for our listeners! Go to Embarkvet.com now to get free shipping and save $40 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit with Promo code Morbid. Purple Purple really is comfort for an uncomfortable world. Right now, you’ll get 10% off any order of $200 or more! Go to Purple.com/morbid10 and use promo code morbid10. Terms apply. ThredUp Get the styles you love at a fraction of the price. You’ll look and feel good with thredUP! And for Morbid listeners, here’s an exclusive offer just for you: Get an extra 30% off your first order at thredUP.com/MORBID. Terms apply. HelloFresh Go to HelloFresh.com/10morbid and use code 10morbid for 10 free meals, including free shipping! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, Weirdos, I'm Alena. I'm Ash, and this is Morbid with Ash's cat. I don't know if you just heard lucks playing with the water in this water bowl. Franklin looks like he's about to pound some luck, so this should be interesting. This could be a time. But this is another throwback episode. It's gonna be, I like to say at each time, just in case anybody's like hopping in on this episode,

that we are taking some of the super older episodes, the ones that don't sound that great audio wise. I was literally like, glop, glop, glop, glop, glop, glop, or the ones that, you know, in the beginning, we were just getting our feet wet, we didn't really know the glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, glob, I would like to obviously some of those older episodes are like gems and you just got to leave them how they are, even if they sound like we're underwater. But a couple of them I was like, yeah, I'm just so happy with that one. So I would look into a couple of the other, they were my episodes that I was looking at. And I looked into some of the old cases some more and I found some extra information that

I hadn't found my first go around. So I felt like I could add more. And that's why we're redoing a couple of these episodes. And today's is going to be the loss, the loss. The loss? Today's gonna be the loss. Oh no. Today's gonna be the loss police murder house.

Redo. Re-vamp. Redo part-do. And here's our announcement that we bought it, and we're living there now. Woo! No, we are totally kidding. But yeah, but things have happened since that episode aired,

and there's been some, I went a little further into a couple of things that I thought were important, and I just think I can better narrate this episode, tell you the story a little better. So let's get it. Let's do this. So this, if anybody has heard of this, it is a straight up mystery So let's get it. Let's do this. So this, if anybody has heard of this, it is a straight up mystery in a lot of ways. It's not a who

done it. We know who done it. We do. We just don't know why done it. Why you've done it. Why? There is not really concrete motive. There's a little bit of like, okay, I guess we can point to that. Right. But it's bonkers and weird. Yeah. Now, this is the tale of a murder suicide. That even though it was absolutely horrific, it could have turned out even worse. And luckily it didn't. Yeah.

So this crime scene is two, four, seven, five, Glendower place. And it's in the Los Felice Los Angeles area. Perfect. In case you're out there, that's where it is. You probably know. It's a beautiful mansion. It's really beautiful. It's gorgeous.

It was originally built in 1925. It was designed for Harry F. Schumacher. It's 5,000 square feet. That's a lot of fun. Pretty big. And was created in Spanish revival style. So it's like that white stucco with that clay tile-type roof and terracotta bits and pieces. It has small balconies on it.

It's just like that kind of style. It's really pretty. Hair for it. Yeah. It's truly impressive. So Harry Schumacher lived in the home until he passed away in 1932. Weirdly, he passed away December 6th, 1932, which as we will see, this date will eventually become the date of the tragedy that we are going to be speaking about today. Isn't that strange?

Isn't that strange? Yeah. Just like a weird, it's of all, like 365 days in a year. Like, is that coincidental? Just very weird. To be to be think. I don't know. I don't know. So after Harry Schumacher died in 1932, it was sold to Frederick Zellnick.

This guy was a well-known producer and director. He was from Germany. He specialized in silent film. So this place got like the Hollywood, you know, I mean, like the producer, the director living in it. And it's still to this day. It's obviously like the Hollywood, you know, I mean like the previous, the director living in it. And it's still to this day, it's obviously like a Hollywood mainstay.

Like people who know this know where it is. A lot of them. A lot of them. A iconic house, not for good things. No, unfortunately. Unfortunately. No. Is it on like one of those tours?

Like the, what do they know? I think it was, it was on like the, I'm probably gonna say the wrong one, but like the dearly departed tour, like those kind of things. Yeah. But obviously it's a mansion and several influential and well-to-do people have lived in it so far.

So we know it's an impressive home. So it has one of those entry ways that really like set the tone for the whole house, in my opinion. It's like completely tiled. It just like opens up to kind of just reveal this this beautiful home in front of you. There is a conservatory in the house. What? Yeah, I didn't even worry about it. I was like, yep, that's when you know you've made it. Yeah, when you are

a conservatory, chilling in your conservatory, you're like, well, I've made it. Yeah, or when you have what they had, a special breakfast room. What? Which I, not like a dining room. I love breakfast, so I'm on board with this. I'm on board with that too, because could you eat your breakfast for dinner in the breakfast room?

Do you think that's an apop? I assume you could. Yeah, I think it's just for breakfast food. Okay. This room is down for some pancakes. Yeah, it's only, I feel like it's like Ron Swanson-esque and like in his office, how he just has like a framed photo of like bacon and eggs.

I feel like that's the best thing to do. I just want a breakfast room. It also had staff quarters, of course. Love it. And a ballroom in this house. Now, the people who lived there before did have staff, like this house was fully staffed. But when the people who we were going to talk about moved in,

they actually didn't have staff. So the staff quarters just kind of turned into like a guest room. All right. But there's also a ballroom. So there's that. And the ballroom is 20 feet by 36 feet and has a bar. And it like an actual banquet hall. Hell yeah.

Yeah. Like rent it out for your hall. Hell yeah. Yeah. Like rent it out for your wedding. It's so much. Now, it was Harold's Paralson and his wife, Lilian, who bought the house sometime in the 1950s. I looked everywhere and cannot find the actual date that they purchased the sauce.

No way. That's weird. Just 1950s, that's all you know. What if it was? December 6th. What if it was? That'd be wild. It could be be maybe that's why it's not listed Maybe they don't want to like continue that. Yeah, put it out there. Come on because then it would be like six six six

So maybe the mark of the beast Okay, so let's talk about let's talk about Harold and Lillian before we talk about what happened in the home Yes, let's show. Shall we? Shall. So it's called the Los Felice Murder House. So I'm sure you can imagine where this is all going to go. Disneyland.

Exactly. So Harold Parelson was born February 1st, 1909, and he was born in Queens, New York. So way on the east coast, away from the home he would later purchase and make infamous. A New Yorker. Yeah, a New Yorker. He had three siblings and was the oldest. His parents, Henry and Molly were both immigrants to America. And they were here to give their family a chance

at the American dream. Oh, and they were really going for it. Good. They were really hard workers. His father was from Poland. His mother was Russian. And they taught Harold to be a hard worker too. So they really instilled this like, you can achieve anything. We're

in America and him, and he did. Okay. He like really went for it. He decided really young that he wanted to attend medical school. Wow. I want to be a doctor, and he worked his ass off to achieve that dream. After all, again, he had parents who were like, you can do it. Right. You have that backing. It's like, let's get it. So tell your kids, they can do anything, everybody, but not what Harold did. Do anything except murder, kids.

Do everything up until like 1950. So he was super brilliant. They always get the big brains. It feels like this,, yeah. Unfortunately. So, off to medical school, he went. It appears he went to school partially in New York. I don't know exactly where he got his degree from, because again, it's really hard to find anything about them.

That's weird. But we do know that after New York and medical school, he took his big brain out to California to really try to like, hit it big. All right. Success. So soon after medical school, he actually married Lillian Silver, who had moved to California from Ohio. All right. Yeah.

So his first job straight out of the gate in California was working at a doctor's office in Inglewood. He soon rose up the ranks. He proved that he was a very brilliant and capable doctor. He mainly focused and excelled in neurology and did a bit of research. He published a ton of papers in the field. He was really well-known.

Like, he was really getting a name for himself. He did keynotes speaking at medical conferences like around the country. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's crazy. In fact, in June 1949, there appeared in one of the most well-known and respected papers in the field of, in his field of study. His name was on that paper. Oh wow. That's a big honor. Yeah, it was published in the American Heart Journal and it was

titled the electrocardiogram and familial periodic paralysis. Then you can still find this paper in PubMed or like Science Direct, like all the other places that you obviously look for scientific research papers. I was dressed on there this morning, yeah. I was gonna say, you know. You're like, you know, like science.medschool.com. It's galastics is me.

A lot of those places, like you have to like have a login or something like that are like an account to get like the whole research paper. Yeah, I know. I have a log in. Yeah, you know. But it was published with his co-author being Dr. Richard S. Cosby. So it was him and the Sotheger. Love it. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot times, or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry

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Now, from that paper, just so you have an idea of what it was about, because I'm sure you're like, I just got to know. I know all about neuroscience. It says, familial periodic paralysis is a rare disease, which was described by Kavari in 1853. The disease is characterized by recurrent attacks of quadriplegia, which often occur at night and are associated with a low level of serum, serum potassium. The administration of potassium salts,

hasens recovery from the attack. The clinical aspect of the case is to be reported from the material of a separate communication. It is our purpose here to report the electrocardiographic findings in two cases of familial periodic paralysis. To discuss their diagnostic value, and to consider the significance of high and low levels of serum, potassium, and certain abnormal clinical states. So that's what the purpose of the paper was.

What I got out of that was eat a couple bananas, but not too many. That's what I got out of that. That's what the, you know, funny enough, the conclusion of that paper is that exactly. So I know you have an account. In conclusion. Yeah, you definitely did it. One banana is great. Two, have at it.

Three. No. Not so much. No, sir. No. So because of all his knowledge and success, he soon got a job as a professor and assistant head of cardiology for the School of Medicine at USC. Oh, casual. The dude is like really getting up there. and assistant head of cardiology for the School of Medicine at USC. Gosh, you're old.

The dude is like really getting up there. When he wasn't teaching burgeoning young surgeons and doctors, he was working, he himself, at Los Angeles County General, Seaters of Lebanon Hospital, and the Santa Fe Hospital of Los Angeles on the cardiology surgical teams. When did he sleep, though? I don't think he did. Maybe that's the problem.

He definitely didn't. Now, you can probably guess he was seeing a little bit of cash flow at this point. Just to smidge. Yeah, from all this work and success. Good. By this point, Lillian and Harold also had three children. They had Judy, Debbie, and Joel.

Judith Rachel Parelson was born July 31st, 1941. Joel David Parelson was born April 7th, 1946. And Debra Lynn Parelson was born February 16th, 1948. And it was at this time that they were like, we need to find our castle. Yes, our kingdom. Let's do this. After all, I mean, at this point, he's like, I've earned it.

You also have three kids. So like, let's get a costume. You need a lot of space. Right. They looked at several homes and immediately, they fell in love with a Spanish revival mansion that they saw on a hill in Los Feliz. Oh, I think I've heard of it. I think you have.

I think I know that one. They bought this home for $60,000. Are you fucking kidding me? Which today is apparently around half a million dollars. So, wow. Yeah. So,000. Which fucking kidding me. Which today is apparently around half a million dollars. So, wow. Yeah. So yeah, that was like, imagine. I know when we think about it.

I'm like doing like a lot of math in my life right now. We think about like, you know, when you think about the inflation and everything, it's easy to be like, what? I know. I know, yeah. But it's like back then. That was like a shit ton of money.

Yeah, it's hard to like. I mean, it is still a shit ton of money. It is for like a mansion. Not for a mansion, yeah. It's like, like. That was a shits... Shits on a money. Yeah, it's hard to like... It is still a shits on a money. It is for like a mansion. Not for a mansion, yeah. It's like, yes, I want that. Yeah. Harold was definitely branching out too with his knowledge. And he soon became known in the field of cardiology and neurology

as a prominent doctor and also as an injection specialist. Oh, okay. I also heard he was very interested in understanding how and why headaches occur You know, and like to be honest me too. Same like I'm I'm there Isn't it just built up pressure in your head? I mean there's a many different things that cause headaches But yeah, he was like very into that so he was always looking for ways to make injections smoother less wasteful, you know with like anesthesia and also for injecting like drugs for like pain medicine and stuff. He didn't want it to be wasteful anymore because like when you inject something, you are losing a little bit of it at, you know, when you do it, you know, a little bit falls out.

So, and he wanted to make it less invasive to the patient. He was just looking to like reinvent the syringe. It's weird because he sounds like a really good treat for it. Right, you would think up until here. Well, so he invented something for this purpose. The invention was for an attachment that would go onto a hypodermic syringe and this attachment was something that was supposed to inject the fluid directly from a sealed glass capsule into the intended destination. Now, eliminating a middle step also reduced possible contamination along the way or waste by spilling some of the fluid out before it actually entered the body.

On December 30th, 1938, lot of December's, he had filed a patent for it. So it took years and years of fiddling with it, but when he was comfortable with it finally, in 1949, he needed someone else to like back this thing. Right. You always need help with that and help to turn it into like a reality in the medical fields.

So he entered into a verbal agreement with a man named Edward Schoostak. Already a verbal agreement, you're like, oh, yeah, a verbal agreement for anything is not. It's never, it's never real concrete. No. So their verbal agreement included an acknowledgement that they would split any profits 50-50. I see.

I'm sure you're saying that's a fair way. When that's verbal, do you want to get that in writing? Yeah. So Harold and Lillian actually sunk $24,496 into this project, which is a lot of money. She certainly is. And 7,000 of that actually came from Lillian's personal savings,

so she saved that. Because they really believed in this. Like, he knew it. He wanted to like, he was passionate about it. So you want to help your mans. You want to help your mans. So unfortunately, Edward Schoostak, which wasn't even his real name, was a con artist,

I was going to say Schoostak. And he was a poop face. A poop real name, was a con artist. I was gonna say shoe stack. And he was a poop face. A poop face. He was a poop face. He was a real poop face. One might say. He conned the doctor. And after 11 more years of development,

he ran away with the investment, with like, all of it, like any profits, all like, yeah, he just took him on anything. A 11 years. Didn't give him anything, didn't give him anything. A lot of years. Didn't give him anything, didn't give him any of his money back, nothing to ran away with it. Wow.

Yeah. What a shit stain. Now there was a court document filed on July 21st, 1952 and Harold claimed that shoe stack and you know whatever his using his fake name of shoe staff. Yeah. Just ran away with all the rights to the device, and he said that it was a shady corporation, quote, masked the deception of fraud. And the court was like, cool, cool, cool. And they were like, yeah, we can't really do a whole lot

to help you here, because obviously he's pissed. You want money from his courts, because he just sunk a lot of money into this. That's a lot of money and especially back then. Yeah. He just bought a new house. He's he's hard up now because he's trying to budget. Yeah.

So they told the courts of this, they filed the document, the courts were like, yeah, you can totally sue him for this. So they sued. They sued the asshole and he wanted $100,000 in damages and lost profits, which is pretty fair. I was just going to say. And after two years of just legal bullshit, because you know how this goes, tons of money was sunk into the court. Well, that's a thing.

You sell so much money fighting. Tons of it was sunk into this lawsuit. The court only ended up giving them $23,956. And at that point, that's like... And at that point, that's less than what they actually sunk into the invention in the first place. And then it's also, that's way less than what they've put in to court fees. Yeah, like lawyers and all that stuff.

So that sucks. So this is not a great start. It's not a great, that's not a good blip in your career. That's not good for your family, that's not good for your finances. Not good when you just bought a mansion to have some go through something like that. To lose a shit ton of money.

On something that you care about too, which sucks. Well, something that came from your mind, that would be really difficult to get for. Yeah, like your intellectual property. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, happy. Yeah, happy. So there is a, so like around this time, you know, things

are a little strained in the house. Yeah. But they're on the website medium, this writer Jeff Mesh, which I'll mention him at the end, too, because there's something interesting here. They're going to be doing like a movie. And it's like, yeah, and he has something to do with it. He wrote a really good write up on this whole story,

and he interviewed a woman who is now a dentist, whose name is Sherry Lewis, not the Sherry Lewis who invented Lamb Chops play along in his eventriloquist. Just in case you're wondering. Because this is Sherry in that Sherry. But what I first thought, I was like, is this Sherry Lewis? She'd be doing a lot. But Sherry Lewis was 14'd be doing a lot.

But Sherry Lewis was 14 at the time when all this was going on. And she had grown up living near, I think it was across the street from the Paralcins. And she was actually their babysitter at the time. I remember that. Yeah. And so she said, quote, that her dad,

she said, quote, my dad dad, she said, quote, my dad was kind of a playboy. And she said, he loved Lillian's cooking. Okay. And she kind of glued to the idea of like, in a fair, maybe something was going on. Yeah. But like she didn't know.

Yeah, well, she was like a kid. And it was the 1950s. So it's like, that was like, what's happened? Top secret. What's happened in over there? I kind of love that. Well, I don't love a fair, but she was like a kid and it was the 1950s, so it's like that was like what's happened top secret? What happened and over there? I kind of love that well I don't love a fair, but it's like it's it's spicy. Yeah, so she said quote She was sweet Lillian. She made tomato soup with hot dogs cut up in it That sounds fucking foul. I thought that was wonderful gourmet cooking and my mother who was actually a gourmet cook rather Poo-poo'd that.

I would poo-poo the shit out of that. And then she said that she thought her father and Lillian were actually better suited for each other, than her mother and her her parents were suited for each other. Oh, that's funny. They should have done a wife swap. So you wonder. That's weird.

She actually said they seemed like they should have had different partners. That's kind of funny. And so during this interview, she was said they seemed like they should have had like different partners. That's kind of funny. And so during this interview, she was asked if like she saw anything weird or if she saw like any violence happening in that house and she said no. And she said, quote, there wasn't anything strange or bizarre. Harold was quite a mild-mannered man. And then she said he was very gentle.

And then she ended it by saying he gave good injections. That's what you know, it's like I'm sure there's nothing Solacious about that but like it just sounds very like Ferry it sounds like it sounds like a euphemism. It certainly does but like I was like wow Okay, that's just an interesting little tidbit. Yeah. But he was well known for being a great injection specialist. Like he was known for being able to be a gentle. We could have really used him today. We could have, there you go.

So a few years after this, on November 3rd, 1957, their bad luck just kept on trucking through. Oh, no. Especially financially emotional. I wonder if the property is a bad luck kind kept on trucking through. Oh, no. Especially financially emotional. I wonder if the property is like a bad luck kind of property. Yeah, I wonder if that too is like, is this home, some going on? Yeah, it hasn't accounted a bit. Well, on this day, Judy ended up getting into a car accident in Vermont. She was the oldest. Yeah. She was driving her younger siblings in the car with her

and was behind the wheel of Harold's 52-olds mobile. Okay. Now, she went into an intersection and there's conflicting stories about who was that fall here and ended up hitting another car driven by Eleanor Keller. Now Keller, of course, said it was Judy's fault and that she said she just blew through that red light carelessly. All the kids in the car were injured

with Judy receiving cuts and bruises to her hands and knees as well as a concussion. Oh, dang. Joel had a head injury and, quote, severe shock to the nervous system. Oh. And Deborah had her cheeks sliced open in the cut. So yeah, but Dr. Parelson was like, nope.

Like that wasn't Judy's fault. I know it. Oh wow. She's way more careful than that. And she loves her sibling. She would never drive them into an intersection without thinking. So he sued the family sued Keller saying she was actually the negligent one that caused the accident.

He wanted $20,000 for Judy's injuries and he wanted $10,000 for Joel's. Not sure why Debra's cheek was like chopped liver, but they just ignored that. He was like her cheek killed nice. Maybe they were just going with what they knew they could get. I don't know. Unfortunately, even though he did win the case, they did find it with her at fault. Oh, wow. They only gave him enough to cover medical bills and nothing more.

Well, that's the thing. So again, he just sunk money into something. Yeah. Another lawsuit that, yeah, he won, but that he's winning these lot. He's successful in winning lawsuits. He's just not getting anything. That's the thing.

Sinking more money into them. So it's just no good. Hey there, fellow podcast listener. It's Elena and Ash and we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa. You know when you would come home from high school and it was only a few hours until that TV show, everyone was watching was about to come on. Well, in 1999, that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast

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Like Judy got like a brand new sports car when she turns after she got in like a massive car accident. And people who came to the home said like, you know, some of the neighbors kids that like would play with them said that they always saw, like Judy's room always had like a wall of shoe boxes. Oh my God, I love that. Judy, sister goals.

In fact, they did find a note written by Judy to her aunt. And I believe it was when she was around 18 years old. And she had talked about like alluded to financial issues being a thing. She wrote, on the merry go round again, same problem, same worries, only 10 fold. My parents, so to speak, are in a bind financially. And then she said something about, which is sad,

she said something about wanting to get a job to help them out, help the family out, and she did. She got a job at AM. She was like an asherette at a movie theater. Oh, cool. Well, I mean, at least she appreciated what she had. She did, no, she does not seem like, you know. Like a spoiled rich kid.

Yeah, she just got, I mean, she got, she lived a life of privilege and, yeah, that's not her fault. She just was, that's, you know, and she, like for her, for help the parents. Yeah, like she seems like she was like, okay, they seem to be struggling. The only thing I know how to do right now is like, I'll get a job and try to help, which like, good for her. Like a job, Judy. Um, this is when people started to notice

though that Harold was, his demeanor was changing. Yeah. Uh, he was getting more focused on just making money and not so much on research or on his like thirst for knowledge that he once had He was also reading like books that people said were very dark and depressive like he said he just started like Kind of just go like he was like an upreading into himself. Yeah, and they said he never seemed happy anymore And he was always a very like gentle, like they said mild manner. Right. He was always just like there and happy

and whatever, just doing his thing, taking care of his family. Now he was getting darker and darker. Oh no. Yeah. So in what we'll find out later is that things were a lot darker than people knew with him. So December 6, 1959.

Uh huh. Does that sound familiar? It does. This was the day. So around 5.30 p.m., Harold came home from work at the hospital. He hung out with his wife while she wrapped Christmas gifts. They were Jewish, but they had recently began to celebrate Christmas with friends and family as well.

And they all had a delicious dinner, a home cooked meal by Lillian. They all sat at the table that evening. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Everybody just chatted. He, you know, heralds by all accounts didn't seem like he was particularly off that night or anything like that. When dinner was done, they all cleaned up. And then the whole family went and watched some TV together in the living room. Pretty normal night. Yeah. So Lillian and Harold Tuck Debbie, who was 11 at the time, and Joel, who was 13 into bed after they watched their shows, and said, good night. Then they went and

said, good night to Judy, who was 18 at the time. She went to her room to do some homework, and then she was going to head to bed. So Lillian went into her bedroom and she just read a book in bed. After reading for some time she went to sleep. This entire time Harold was downstairs alone, just watching television. And he didn't return upstairs until after Lillian was asleep. Now Harold went upstairs. He sat up in bed for a little while himself reading Dante's Divine Comedy. In case you don't know, Dante's Divine Comedy is a poetry book divided into three sections. It's Inferno, Pergatorio, and Paradiso. It sounds super light on you.

It tells the story of traveling through hell, Pergatorio, and Paradise. All right. It's weirdly significant when you know what he is about to do after reading this. He even even underlined like certain passages after reading for a while he went to sleep. That's when you know. Yeah. It wasn't until around 5 a.m. So he went to sleep.

He had full REM cycle and everyone to sleep. Everyone's having a full night sleep. Around 5 a.m. he just wakes out of a dead sleep. Went downstairs into his toolkit, takes out a ball-peen hammer. He then walks back into his bedroom with it, and suddenly walks up behind Lillian, whose fastest sleep in bed, and strikes her in the back of the head with the ball-peen hammer. Wow. Out of nowhere. Ouch. The coroner's confirmed that she had not,

well, she had not died immediately, because she actually, the whites of her eyes were blood red. They said, that's how much blood there was. That's really creepy. She had been left to a spixiate on her own blood from being hit. But they said she didn't scream because she was

spixiating on her own blood. I was going to say she couldn't. So no one in the one in the house heard it was just my god. It was quiet That's a nightmare. So he then casually walks into Judy's room his oldest child And he just walks up to her sleeping in bed and does the exact same thing He slams the ball peen hammer into the back of her head. What up like Yeah, the problem thing. He slams the ball peen hammer into the back of her head. What up? Like, ah, yeah. The problem, well, for him, was that he was slightly off with that strike. Uh-huh. And though he, he did hit her with it, he got her in the back of the head. It wasn't as bad as he had hit with if he had hit with a well-aimed strike. Right. So she woke up and started screaming. Oh no.

Because that was... She probably thinks that it's like an attack hurt. How would you even know what was happening? You just feel pain. Yeah. So neighbors heard this screaming. That's how loud she was screaming. And yet they heard her yelling, don't kill me.

And Harold just repeatedly told her to quote, lay still and keep quiet. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. Like your father to quote, lay still and keep quiet. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. Like your father is being like lay still. Keep quiet. While I kill you. While I beat you with a ball-peen hammer.

Like while I beat your head in. Yeah. What? Now that same the babysitter, Sherry Lewis, she said that she remembers hearing the screams. She woke out of a sound sleep. I remember reading the article. Yes.

And she said she had a friend Shelley over her sleepover. Yeah. And they both heard it. And she said, quote, at first it sounded like a wild animal screaming. And then she said that she knew it was a person when she could hear Judy saying don't kill me. Oh my gosh.

Yes. And she's like pretty young too, right? But she was 14 at the time. Yeah. So that me. My gosh. Yes. And she's pretty young too, right? But she was 14 at the time. Yeah. So that's like a child. Yeah. Now during this chaotic massacre that he is trying to achieve, the other two kids have woken up.

The yeah, because there's screaming throughout the house. She's screaming don't kill me. Yeah. So they're like, hey, who's in the house? And remember, they're 11 and 13. Right. So they're very aware, but they're also like children. They hear Judy screaming and of course,

they come out of sleep and wander into the area. I feel like what is happening? You're following the screams. He just looks at them. Like Harold just looks down at them. And they're like panicking and he says, go back to bed. This is a nightmare. Yeah, it is a nightmare.

He's not wrong. Uh-oh. He's not wrong. But oh my God. That makes it more nightmare. And he just calmly. This is a nightmare. This is a nightmare. Go back to bed. He then led them both back to their room. Stop. So after he had led them back to bed, which by the way, he is soaked with blood, like dripping it onto the floor and getting it all over everything as he does this and he's just calmly leading them back to bed. Right. Like they're very aware of what's going on, fully 11 and 13. And then he just walks back into the hallway towards his bedroom again. And they're both terrified obviously because of all of this. So they waited for

him to get out of sight and then they ran down the stairs as well. Yeah, but their children and their terrified. So they made it to the entryway and are just standing there together like, what do we do? They just start nowhere to go. Well, then when they get down to the entryway, they come face to face with a neighbor who is at the door now, a guy named Marshall Ross, who was running up the front steps to the front door. Because he heard the screaming. So now what had happened to get the neighbor's attention was that while he led them back to their rooms,

Judy escaped. Oh, Judy ran out of the house. She ran out of the fucking door of her bedroom, ran straight to her parents bedroom, probably to get her mother and get the fucking out of it. That's awful. She gets into the bedroom, sees her mother lying in a pool of blood with her head smashed open. Like caved in. She screams. She runs down the stairs out the front door to any house nearby that she can make it to. So

the first one she runs to is across the street to Sherry Lewis's home. Right. Now Sherry said she and her friend, the one who had been sleeping over, obviously could hear the screams, and then they heard her slamming on the door, but they were so terrified that they couldn't move. Right. And I don't blame them. They were kids. You're like, is this like a victim at my door?

Is this like the guy across the street breaking in? Exactly. So no one answered. But Sherry, she said that the next morning, she was actually supposed to be babysitting Joel and Debbie that night. Oh my goodness. And she said, quote, when I opened the door in the morning, when Shelley's parents came to collect her, the whole door was a mess of blood. I remember my hands being in this

sticky blood. Oh wow. Because when Judy had come, she had smeared blood all over the French doors. The windows just trying, because she was bleeding that must have been so. Free coat is free from the head. It's insane. So Judy doesn't get an answer there.

So she runs to another neighbor's house, Marshall Ross's home. He immediately ran downstairs, let her come in. He helped her to his couch. He tried to calm her, like just, he was like, what's the only thing? And then he called the police in an ambulance. Then while they were on their way,

he, Marshall Ross ran over to the parlor, since home, well, you know, because he was like, I'm just gonna try to help whatever's happening. Cause he's trying to tell him what's happening, but it's like chaos. Right. So he said what he saw was he saw the children, he saw Debbie and Debra and Joel

and he like tried to get them away from Harold and Harold, he said just he just saw him like strolling through the hallway and he said he looked right at him and said go on home, don't bother me. And then just kept walking. What? And he said he was covered in blood. Go on home, don't bother me. Don't bother me. What?

I feel like you're trying to murder your family so it's kind of like my civic duty. I feel like you're kind of bothering me. Yeah, you're kind of bothering the entire neighborhood. You're bothering a lot of people right now. This is the system of justice. Now, the coroner's report said that Marshall Ross saw Harold walk into the bathroom. He started banging around in the drawers, like clearly looking for something in particular. Yeah. He was tossing bottles around and everything and eventually found what

he was looking for. He said he had trailed and smeared blood everywhere by this point. This scene must have been horrific. And he said he finally found what he's looking for. He found an imbutal. Now, an imbutal is a barbituit and it was used in this time period and before it as an anti-anxiety and sleeping aid. It is a barbituit, like I said, so it is known for sedation. Barbituits are known for sedation and for calming someone in distress. That's what they tried to say, my element rolloverdostone. Yes, actually, I was going to mention that. You may know it by the name Pento Barbitol, in any vet tech or vets out there that they

may know it as the drug used to peacefully anesthetize and euthanize animals. It's also known as death in a bottle because it is easy to overdose on it's very easy. And since it's used to sedate, you know, anesthetize and euthanize, it is part of like the doctors will use it to euthanize patients. Right. It's part of like the death with dignity discussion because it's touted as a good method for euthanation humans because it is a known as like a, it's sedation.

I was just going to say, it's not a violent death. Right. It killed Judy Garland. And like you said, supposedly Marilyn Monroe. Yeah. Probably not by her. It probably Monroe. Yeah. Probably not by her. It probably did. Yeah, just not by her. So Harold knew this. Obviously he's a doctor. He made sure he was going to get this job done. So he took two nembutal pills, which he cracked open and mixed with water.

And then he finished it off with 31 more pills of a different substance. Whoa! Those 31 pills were some kind of sedative or tranquilizer. Okay. So he really, he knew what he was doing. Now, Marshall Ross said he saw him walk back into his bedroom and just lay on his bed.

Comely. Next to his dead wife calmly next to his dead wife next to his dead wife his like butchered dead wife yep you know now police were there within 15 minutes they came real quick it was around 515-ish in the morning when the LAPD were on the scene they found him not in the bed they found him on the floor and his head was on a blood covered pillow that he had either taken from his own bed and it was covered in lillian's blood or it was covered in Judy's blood, one of the other. He was laying his head on that and he was still holding the ball-peen hammer in

his hand laying on the floor. Oh man. That book, Dante's Divine Comedy, was still on his nightstand where he had left it, but now it was opened to a certain page. The certain page is canto one, and it says, midway upon the journey of our life, I found myself within a forest dark, for the straightforward pathway had been lost. That says a lot. Very, very. I don't know what it is., very, just very, very.

I couldn't think of something. Be it, very. Very appropriate. That's what I meant. Aproparal. Aproparal. Aproparal. So he was still clinically alive when they got there.

Oh shit. He was breathing at this point, but he had died by the time the ambulance actually got there. Oh, so in the police were there, he was still breathing. By the time the ambulance came, he was gone got there. So in the police were there, he was still breathing by the time the ambulance came, he was gone, and it was only a few minutes. So he was like on the day anyway. It came out later. So when this all happened, everybody's like,

what? Yeah. Because one of the weird things is like, okay, so he killed his wife out of nowhere first of all. Like this came out of nowhere, it seemed to everybody. And then he tried to kill one of his children, but not the other two. Well, do you think that he was going to kill the other two if nobody interrupted him? But nobody had interrupted him. He was just bringing them back to bed. He put them back into bed. He was walking away.

He was not attacking them. I don't know. And all he had to do was attack them with a hammer. Do you think that it was like somehow like religious in a sense? Well, like they're innocent. There is an interesting theory that some people have floated. I found some people, some sources have found that he was in the military for a short stint, and he was listed as having no dependence. But the timing of his military service when he was listed as having dependence would have been the time when Judy was born.

Okay. So he would have a dependent. But what if that dependent is not his dependent? Yeah, what if Judy is not a son or his child? What if that plays into why she got it? Maybe. I mean, that does make sense. It could be, obviously this is all speculatory because people don't know.

And to like find breadcrumbs here because no one knows. Right. It is a strange mystery that Judy was chosen and the other two weren't. That is weird. But it's very, yeah, it's just a really strange thing. So what did come out later was via court records. And there were some reports that Harold Parelson had made several suicide attempts in the month leading up to this. Yeah.

So this didn't come out of nowhere. No. At first, everyone's like, what? This is crazy. And then when this comes out, it's like, what? That's so crazy. So there's all this dark shit happening, and no one knew. Obviously none of them killed him, but Lillian had known,

obviously, and had stopped most of these, and she had tried to get him committed. Oh. Now, she knew something was very wrong, and that he was on a very bad path. Like, she could see this was not going to end well. But she couldn't just get him the help that she wanted to, because one, you know, it's the 1950s, she's a woman. Yeah. He's a man. Right. There's that.

Two, he's a very well-known and's a man. Right. There's that too. He's a very well-known and well-respected member of society and a doctor. And in the medical community. And in the medical community. So she's not going to have a whole lot of luck if he doesn't want to go somewhere to get him to go somewhere. And I wonder if the reason why he killed her was because he was mad that she was trying to stop him from killing himself.

Exactly. Because so they think that maybe there were doctors that were notified of his state of health. Yeah. So that he had tried to try to end his life several times. And so they were on board with committing him. Some of these doctors, they were like, we can do this, but they were like, we need to time this right. Right. We can't just attack him and like, do this. We need to try to get this right and get get him to go willingly. Exactly. So maybe the plan was to commit him, but it was going to be happening soon.

And he found out. Mm-hmm. And he decided that's not going to happen. I'm just going to end this, which is either way. So sad. You just end it. Like, yeah, it's all for you and not everyone else. Now, Lillian's family got guardianship of Deborah and Joel.

Lillian's sister, Gertr Deborah and Joel. Lillian's sister Gertrude actually petitioned to take over as trustee. And by all means now, they're all still alive. I'll give them. And they're all doing great. They're married. They're having lives of their own. I believe Judy is like a jewelry designer. Oh wow. Yeah, like I'm not going to say they're married names or anything. No, I don't think they really deserve like an honor. If they want to be, if they want to write a book or something, that's that's their story. Yeah. But yeah, so they're all alive. They're all flourishing as far as I could tell. So in 1960, a year later, the house was sold in a probate auction. So it's sat for like a year. The people who got it were Emily and Julian and Rika's. Okay.

But this is where it gets even weirder. Yeah. They never moved in. They just bought this house at auction and then they just never moved in. They moved a few of their things there, but it wasn't things to live there. It was just became like a storage unit for them.

Yeah, I remember like I remember that from the first time we did this. It was like and all that old families furniture was still there, right? Like, it was all still there. The Christmas gifts were still there. Yeah, but I found something interesting about that. So It's so yeah, so they're just like bringing stuff in there. It seems like they go there to pick things up to put things in. But it's like, why'd you buy a mansion? Yeah, like not like a story. Why not just the storage unit? Like that's really like impressive. Like my storage unit was a mansion in the Los Angeles Hills, but like wow. Yeah, it's strange. But it's weird. And it's like, did they, nobody knows? It's like, did they try to do stuff in's strange. But it's weird. And it's like, did they, nobody knows. It's like, did they try to do stuff in the house?

And it got weird. And they were like, we don't want to live here. I don't know. I don't know. We'll never know. So it did stay in their hands until 1994 when Emily passed away. And she left the home to their only son Rudolph. Now, he kept it.

And he did the same exact thing. Yeah. He didn't move any there. And he said that he would never live there. Wait, he was like, no. But it's, and it's like, why did they buy this in the first place? But I just don't understand it. Yeah. So I don't get it. Rudolph said to the Los Angeles Times in 2009, quote, I don't know what, I don't know that I want to live there or even stay there. So he was like, no, thank you. No, you have, I mean, houses hold on to energy. And this is bad energy. Yeah. To say the least. So apparently, so I think it was like a blogger or something went to this house during this whole like period where it was like sitting and they got like photos of the house. They looked in at all the stuff. And they were the ones that saw like weird shit.

Like they saw like SpaghettiOs just sitting on the counter and like a Christmas tree with wrap presents So people were like oh my god. That's the perils and stuff. It's not so the SpaghettiOs weren't marketed until 1965. Yeah, those were make it these were things that were brought in and stored there. Yeah So there was that Christmas tree thing and everybody was like, why are there Christmas tree in Christmas tree presents? Oh, well. And Christmas presents. Well, there is, of course, the idea that like the Paralcines were wrapping Christmas gifts

that night. So who knows? And they had been celebrating it like lightly, like, you know, just to like be with friends and family, because they just liked the community of it. So there's that, but there's also this rumor that a lot of people have hung on to that somebody rented this place between it going to auction and this happening, and that they weren't told of the murder suicide.

And that when they found out, they just got the hell out of there and they left the Christmas gifts and the Christmas tree up. Interesting. And it's just been sitting there. But there's no concrete answer. That's so strange. Nobody knows where that actually, that Christmas tree came from.

Because it's not Julian and Emily's and it's not Rudolph's. And this Christmas presents, that'll wrap. Now this place had like, when it was sitting there like dormant, it had like burglar alarms going off all the time. Weird, like just weird lights that would go on and on. It was, there was a lot of weird activities in there.

And people would come to like, you know, do sayances there. People had picnics in the backyard just to be like spooky. That's, yeah, that's a lot. That's a strange situation, but there was also people who, people, the neighbors said that they would wake up to hearing screaming in the middle of the night coming from that house. What?

And they would call the police and no one would be in there. Nope. Yeah. Now, that means... I wouldn't even want to live next door. I would, that meat... I wouldn't even want to live next door. That would be scary. I would love to live next door.

No, I'd love it. I like to sleep at night. But that medium article I mentioned by Jeff Mesh, he is actually... He's part of the... Like his article that he wrote about this is going to be turned into a movie about this. I'm so excited. Because he did like a really great article about it. In his article, he talked to a guy named Dr. David Adams and he was a psychologist who

like specialized basically in husbands and who in fathers who killed their family and islanders. Yeah. And he was like, what kind of guy does this? Yeah. Who is this? And he said it's usually, he said if the guy is killing his wife and at least one of his children, it's gonna be an older guy usually, not a younger guy,

which I think that is probably swayed a little bit because I've seen a few younger dates. But they said usually, I think the average has been in their 50s. And usually they're an average of seven years older than their spouse. Interesting. What's interesting is Harold was 50 years old

and he was eight years older than Lilian. That's strange. Isn't that weird? Yeah. And he said, quote, many of these guys, these types of perpetrators are very invested in their public image. When there is a prospect that their reputation or status can be harmed,

they suffer a narcissistic injury. Their murders are almost like a type of damage control. I mean, which seems very relevant. She was trying to get him committed. That would be really bad for his image. Exactly. It honestly seems very relevant in here. And it seems like he was struggling with his mental health because his self-proclaimed

failures and his finances. Yeah, I was going to take a toll on your mental health. Of course, trying to keep your family together, you're trying to provide. People think that that Dante's page does mean something, obviously, that it has to. Because he didn't leave a suicide note or any kind of indication of why he did this. He just loved that. He did open that page. Because remember, he was 50 years old, so it starts with like midway through my life. He was exactly midway through like the typical,

you know, you know, it's quote unquote life. And it talks about being lost. Yup. And then it talks about finding himself in a dark place. Yeah. It's literally exactly what happens. Like spot on. What's literally exactly what happens. It's like spot on. What's interesting is California's civil code

has a three year rule for quote unquote murder houses. And real letters are legally obligated to tell people of any kind of like violent death that happened in the home, but only if it occurred within three years of the date an offer is made. Wow. So anything before that they're like, doob doob doob doob that's messed up.

I know. And my realtor didn't tell me I would be so upset at them because I'd be like, I just want to know. Also, I'd like call them later and be like, hey, what's up? Now the way. I've root off and the son of Emily and Julian, sorry. He died in 2015 and he didn't have any children to pass the home on to. So it went to public auction again.

Right. Now the house was listed for $2.75 million in July of 2016. And it went for $2.3 million as a probate sale in 2019. The person who bought it is Lisa Bloom, who is a civil rights attorney and former true TV host and the daughter of Gloria Alres. Oh, okay. Just so you know, no big deal. Makes so much sense. That's cool. She and her husband, Braden, they bought it at this auction and they completely gutted the place.

Uh huh. Gutted the place. Usually that brings up bad shit. It probably did. It's like kind of sad when you look at the pictures, you're like, because in the listing it even says, quote, taken down to the studs. And it's like, aww. It's just kind of like a bummer, it takes a lot of the like,

historic, like the ballroom's got it, everything's got it. They ended up listing it at $3.5 million. So it was almost like they flipped it. And they did this? So they didn't live in it and they didn't finish it. They like took it down to the studs and then put it up. What?

Yeah. So everybody's like something happened. Well, someone did buy it last year in 2020. Oh. Someone bought it. So that's when their bad luck of 2020 started. I was gonna say. I don't know who bought it. I don't know what they're gonna do with it.

That's just kind of like hanging in the air at this moment. But a fun fact that I'm sure a lot of people know is this murder house was the inspiration for season one of American Horror Story Murder House. That's what brought this all like into the world. Yeah. And like I said a movie about the house is in talks, it's in the works, which I think is this is a great movie. Oh surprise it's not already a movie. Yeah, this is perfect for a movie. I think the producers are going to be Louisa Iskin and John Wonder. They're from the coalition group and the film will be written by Joshua Melkin who wrote Cabin Fever 2. Oh.

And it's going to be based on that article that was written by Jeff Mace. So that's really cool. Congratulations to him. Seriously, that's awesome. But yeah, that's the Losefully Smirterhouse. We revamped. It's there. Literally. But now someone owns it. So it's like one of those things that it's not to have public property in our yard. Yeah, it's not public property anymore. And hopefully we'll find out like what's going on or like what they've done to it or what they plan to do to it You almost wish like

Someone would make I know it's like super like Like Macabre of me, but I'm like you should just make it like a cool like museum Yeah, no you should like a morbidly kind of like Hollywood museum. Yes, I feel like it would be like a perfect place It would but I know that's fucked up. It isn't, it isn't. But I am who I am and that's all that I am. Sam. Popeye.

I am. So that's the most police murder house. I hope you liked the, uh, the version of it because I got a lot more information this time around. I liked it. Uh, thank you. You're welcome. And I enjoyed going back into it and finding out all the updates.

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