Morbid - Episode 223: The Mysterious Murder of Julia Wallace Part 2

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

She made it a part two that will turn into a part three! For this episode, Alaina walks us through the aftermath of Julia Wallace’s murder. The detectives are all circling in on William, intimidating witnesses to change their stories, and BOOM! With barely enough evidence William is arrested and charged with murder. See you for part three! The Killing of Julia Wallace by Jonathan Goodman Also, a great podcast if you love narratives that are more immersive, Unsolved Murders Podcast from Parcast did a great two parter on this. Episode 38 & 39 As always, thank you to our sponsors: Brooklinen: Go to Brooklinen.com and use promo code morbid to get $20 off when you spend $100 or more, PLUS free shipping. Caliper: TRYCALIPER.com/MORBID. Don’t forget promo code MORBID for 20% off your first order. Thrive Market: Join Thrive Market today to get 25% off your first order AND an exclusive FREE gift! The ONLY way to get this offer is by going to Thrive Market dot com slash MORBID. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And then I just realized I like went on Twitter and looked around and everybody's complaining about the tree pollen, so I was like, okay, cool. That's what it is, because it's just I'm like all filled up. Yeah, your face is like a faucet. So I was like, okay, cool. That's what it is. Because it's just I'm like all filled up. Yeah, your face is like a faucet. So I apologize if I sound sick. I do not have COVID.

I am, you know, I'm okay. I'm vaccinated. I haven't gone anywhere. So, oh my God. I'm finally getting my vaccination to Mara. Yeah. I'm so excited. We will all be vaccinated.

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And I'm only getting it now because I'm like overweight. Oh, seriously. I mean, it's good that you're getting it anyway you can get it let's get it let's get it so hopefully you're all getting it too I hope everybody can be vaccinated soon I hope so too I just want to feel for you I don't take it for granted that I was able to get it so easily yeah same so yeah that's that's the tea so far I just wanted to tell you so you weren't like, why do you sound like that? I really don't think you sound that bad.

Yeah, just in case I sound filled up, I know that can be annoying when listening to a podcast. I think you sound like Lisa Kadrow. I, you know, I've gotten at so many times in starting this podcast never in my life. No, I actually don't think that you're doing it. Before starting this podcast, did I ever, and I mean this, never once did I hear you sound like Lisa Kudrow.

The second I started this podcast, I have got it hundreds of times. I know, I've seen it. I've, it's a crazy phenomenon. And I just like to say it to you. Because I don't get it. Like, I believe you guys. I believe that you hear that in my voice. But when I listen to Lisa Kudrow, I'm like, I don't sound like that.

Yeah, no, I don't, I don't hear it, to be honest with you. But I don't know. You guys have really opened my eyes with this. I don't know. You've disturbed me a little, because I can't hear it. But yeah, I can't hear it at all. I actually watched a movie with her in it the other day. And I was like, no, that's not you. It's a weird, it's like the, it's a weird phenomenon, but

I don't know how we got there, but we got there. Here we are. So we are in part two of the impossible murder. Impossible. I'm Julia Wallace back in 1931. And I said this was going to be two parts, it's actually going to be three. So because I just't stop won't stop. I just keep finding stuff. And I was like, I can't make part two like 18 hours. So can't stop won't stop rocking into the impossible. There's just too many little things I just need to go into. So this is going to be a three part. But part three is going to come out within the next day or two. So you won't have to wait long for it or anything, don't worry.

Sorry that you had to wait a few extra days for this one, but I hope you were on the edge of your seat and spoiler alert. There's really no conclusion. So you're not really waiting for an answer. So, wow. And spoiler alert. No question of nothing is solved. Well, that's why it's called the Impossible Murder Mystery.

So it's gonna be a mystery at the end of this, but I'm gonna say what I think happened. For me, it just reminds me of an impossible breakfast sandwich. I don't know what that says about me, but I thought you meant the case did, and I was like, all right. No, just like point yourself. Like how it's named that.

Yeah, that makes sense. Not, not, yeah. The murder doesn Yeah, that makes sense. Not, not. Yeah. The murder doesn't sound like a plant-based meat alternative. Sure does, and it doesn't. But here we are. So when I left you in part one, we talked about the murder of Julia Wallace, super brutal. We talked about her husband, William Wallace, not Braveheart.

And we talked about he was, William Wallace, not Braveheart, and we talked about he was, you know, a chess player. And the two of them were kind of sickly together, and they kind of did a tip for tat with getting sick and who could get more sick. It was, but it was wonderful. They loved each other. Yeah, that's all that matters. And when we left, you know, it was clear that the police were already, you know, you're going to add the husband first. Yeah, always. Always, always. And so they're already looking at William and being like, huh, what's this about?

And that whole, you know, when he returned home from that wild goose chase where that address didn't exist, he comes back home and he can't get in the house. His key isn't working. You know, he's telling the story later, he's saying that at one point he got to the front door, it was em bolted, but he still couldn't open it with the key, went to the back. That was em bolted, couldn't get in, went back to the front, suddenly it's bolted now. Right. It's just a lot of strange things going on. Right. So of course the police are looking at him being like, what's going

on? I mean, Annie was sitting there petting a cat. What's wrong with him? Exactly. He's trying to comfort their cat. Weird. So weird. Yeah. So one of the things that was leading them to be like, huh, scratch their chins a little bit, was the fact that a little bit of money was missing

out of the cash box in the kitchen. And it was like forcibly taken out. Like the doors were ripped off, and it was clearly. But then there was more money upstairs that wasn't touched and it was out in the open. And none of the handbags were taken and rifled through. Just strange. It was weird. So he got brought in at the end of the last one and you know they did it their interrogation with him and they asked him, would Julia let somebody in that she didn't know? And he was like, absolutely not. And people confirmed this. No way. She was not like super social with like people she didn't know. And he was like, absolutely not. And people confirmed this. No way. She was not like super social with like people she didn't know. And you had said that she was pretty shy,

anyway. She was shy. But then he said, you know what? There is somebody who could have gained entry into my house and knows my house. And they were like, who? Well, this guy called Richard Gordon Perry. And we talked about him in part one. Basically, just to give you a quick little overview, because we are going to talk about him a little more in this one. He worked with William at the insurance company that he worked for. He was found to be kind of skimming money off the top, stealing money from the company, and kind of out of Wallace's pocket at the end of the day. And so Wallace confronted him, and when he kept doing it, he told the boss, the boss fired Richard Gordon Perry. So essentially, Wallace got this dude fired.

Exactly. Now this dude had covered for him when he was sick because Wallace had a lot of kidney issues. He was sick a lot. So this guy had covered his insurance route forum. So he had been in his house. He had been in that cash box to put the insurance payments in there. So this is looking like he knows a lot about this stuff. So people were thinking this could have been revenge. He got him fired. He's pissed. I'll kill your wife. I'll take the money.

It's a really, seems pretty like, really escalated quickly. For sure. And being fired to I'll kill your wife. But it definitely does. Now what was weird was that Perry was brought in for questioning, of course, and they're going to look at it. And he immediately offered an alibi for the night before the murders when that strange call to the chess club happened

and also for the night of the murders. It's like, why would you need to give one for the night before? Well, he offered it up without acting. So how did you know anything happened the night before? I mean, the police didn't care, didn't bother them that much because they went into this like zeroing in on Wallace, and that was it. They were gonna pin this on William Wallace. But yeah, just wanted to bring you up to speed on that,

because we are gonna bring Richard Gordon Perry back into this. So, this obviously becomes a case of them deciding who did it before the evidence decides who did it. They went in there and were like, William Wallace did it. The evidence is like, maybe not though. And they're like, shut up evidence. You don't know anything. So the bullies and the Emmy, who we talked about, the Emmy, the bumbling opium smoking, Emmy. Yes. How could I forget? He thought, he also was like, this is the guy. He was working right alongside them. He also like walked in, sniffed the air,

and was like, yep, she's been dead for four hours and two minutes. He touched her and said, oh, rigor. Okay, it's been four hours. Riggers, the least reliable thing to rely on. Especially considering the least reliable thing to rely on. I know, that's why I stopped looking at this and worried again. But considering the temperature, the temperature changes in the room.

Her age, her temperature of her body, there's so much. I went over it in part one. It doesn't make any sense. But that's what he's going on. Now, we also talked about in part one that right before the ME left at 11 p.m. that night, he happened to go upstairs to use the bathroom upstairs. And there suddenly, he notices that there's a like a little clot of blood on the toilet seat. And he's like, whoa, weird considering like a hundred different people have gone

through this thing this entire night. And it was so nice. Yeah, never saw it. And so they were like, he was like, I know that this is from the killer. The killer came up here and washed his hands after he did this. Meanwhile, you would have been covered with blood, this killer. There is not one speck of blood anywhere else in this house. So he traipsed upstairs, managed not to get even a drip of blood on anything else, and then washed his hands and was like, whoops, a clot onto the bathroom. Like what? It doesn't make sense.

No, it doesn't make sense. Well, they did want to test this blood, obviously, because they've got to. It was found there, whether it was placed there by the ME, whether it was transferred accidentally by one of the other investigators, they still got to try. So they did a test at the lab to make sure it was human blood and not either I mean it could be animal blood Who knows or it could have been menstrual blood right which would make it a very different scenario right What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed.

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definitely human. Now, what the way that the precipitant test works, because it's kind of interesting, I just thought I've thrown it in here, is that they use an animal usually a rabbit, nine times out of ten. They inject to this animal with human blood. Now, the animal's blood is going to form antibodies to attack that foreign substance, which is, you know, and the antibodies are then taken from that animals from the rabbit's bloodstream, from its blood serum, and it becomes anti-syrium. That's what they call it. They put this in a test tube, then they take this blood that they're trying to figure out whether it's human or whatever from the scene, and they're going to put that

into the anti-syrium in the test tube. And when they go together in the test tube, if precipitate forms, which is like a solid substance, you'll see it, then you end it has to happen when the two meet like in the line where the two blood, like the blood serum, the anti-syrium, and the questionable blood meet. Okay. That's where the precipitate will form, and if that happens, then it's human meat. Okay. That's where the precipitate will form and if that happens, then it's human blood. Okay, so it's a really interesting, really intricate, yeah, has to be done right and experiment. Very, it needs to be done right. So he did this, the Emmy, uh, uh, Professor McFall and he said, yep, it formed the precipitate, it's human blood.

But what's interesting about this is a few months after this, he was doing some other case totally unrelated to this. And he made a worker at the medical facility in the University of Liverpool actually do the precipitant test because he said, and I quote, I could never get the hang of it. Oh, show up. What the fuck?

And also, what do you mean you can't get the hang of it? It's like sure, it's like a very intricate test, but it's like, that's your job. Yo, you just use that to like, and not that it's really like, this doesn't, this piece of evidence doesn't really hinge on anything, because in all likelihood that clod of blood

was brought up there by an investigator accidentally, like transferred, or by the Emmy himself. Right, doesn't really matter. It's like, it doesn't or by the Emmy himself. Right. Doesn't really matter. It's like it doesn't prove anything, really, at all. But what it does prove here is that he's kind of a bullshitter. Yeah. So it's like, that doesn't give me a lot of faith in him.

Not even kind of, he just is a bullshitter. Exactly. So that's just interesting. I found that in the killing of Julia Wallace, and I'll post the link for that in here, but very strange, very strange. Very weird, weird, weird. Now, the evening of Julia Wallace and I'll post the link for that in here, but very strange, very weird weird weird. Now the evening of the murder, we're gonna go back to Richard Gordon Perry for a second. Okay.

Evening of the murder. Remember, he said that evening he had an alibi, he had an alibi for the night before too. Now, while this scene is being taken care of after Julia was found, the police are all at the scene, all this is going on at the house. While this is going on at the house, late night, past midnight, our friend, Richard Gordon Perry, was bringing his car somewhere to get fixed up somewhere around midnight. Now, once he showed up at Afkansons, all night garage and taxi service, that was in Moscow Drive and Stonycroft, and he spoke to an employee there named John Parks. John Parks and he, I think, knew each other somehow. Like they were aware of each other.

A Quentin. John said later that Perry told him, you know, I need my car cleaned on the inside and the outside. Mhmm. Weird time for you to do that. Very weird. Now he said he wanted it completely done. Yeah, I bet.

Totally hosed off, totally scrubbed down. So John was like, I looked at it and I was like, I don't see anything that needs to rest. So he was like, are you sure? Like, do you really want me to do this right now? Like, I don't see anything wrong with it. That's weird. Yeah.

Like, why do you want me to do that? And he was like, no, he said he looked very stressed out, very frazzled and he was like, I need you to do it. Just do it. That's weird. Yeah. Why do you want me to do that?" And he was like, no, he said he looked very stressed out, very frazzled. And he was like, I need you to do it. Just do it. He was like, okay. So he was like, all right. So he said he was doing it all. He moves on to the inside. And he said he opened the glove compartment to take out whatever was in there so that it wouldn't get wet while he was cleaning because he said completely. So he said he removed a leather baseball mitt, which is not weird, like, you know, he played baseball. Yeah, whatever.

So he said he removes the mitt and he says when he removes it, he said it was already soaked in blood. And he's like very clearly blood, like soaked in it. So John was like, but he kept silent, because he was like, I don't know what to say about this. Right, I don't want to be involved. Yeah, he was like, I don't know what to say about this. Right, I don't wanna be involved. Yeah, he was like, you know what, Perry was acting really strange.

He was kind of freaking me out. I didn't wanna like push this any further. So I just like, I locked it in there and I just let it go. So he said, Perry left after I completely did the rest of it, which shaking his ass off, probably finishing the rest of this car being like, what am I scrubbing away right now? Yes. Yeah. So he said he lost, or he lost, he left and John Parks went to his boss who owned the garage.

Yeah. And he was like, hey, we got a sitch. Let me tell you what I just found. Clean up on IL-5. Yeah, and he tells him. He's like, all right, I found this. And his boss is like, wow, that's fucked. And then he's like, that's really crazy crazy and the two of them were like oh shit Did you see on the news that like that Julia Wallace like mr. Wallace's wife was brutally murdered And they were like yeah, we've like heard around town. It's been like everywhere and so he was like okay Here's the thing and they knew that like you know these two men knew each other that he and so they were like okay the thing and they knew that like you know these two men knew each other that he and so they were like okay if Wallace is arrested for the murder you need to go forward with this information yeah at least have them know that there might

be another suspects yeah yeah if he is not arrested you do what you want with it but he's like I would hold it until an arrest is made I don't know if I agree with that I don't know if I agree with that. I don't think I do. You know, 1930s, I guess. Like everybody's just like, I don't wanna be involved. Yeah, they're just like, whatever, I'm just gonna stay over here.

I'm gonna stay in my lane. I'm gonna put on a bowler hat and be fine. So John Parks was like, all right. I'll wait, I'll see. You know, if Mr. Wallace is arrested, I will go forward and try to help him out with this information. If he's not arrested, maybe I won't. He'll just say, we'll see, you know, if Mr. Wallace is arrested, I will go forward and try to help him out with this information. If he's not arrested, maybe I won't.

He'll just say, we'll see. Maybe I won't introduce myself in this. I'll flip a coin. So that's interesting. That'll come back later. So hang on to it. I'm holding it. Just put it away.

I'm holding it in my baseball mitt. Yeah, put that in your blood soaked leather baseball mitt that you stick in your glove environment. So, meanwhile, the body was taken to Princess Doc Mort mortuary and now she's being looked over at Julia. Some interesting things came out of this examination. There were burns found on the skirt that indicated to them that she had been grabbed by the neck and then they said and also by hair, because her hair pad had been ripped viciously out of her head. Oh. Yeah. They saw the burns and this disarray as evidence that she had obviously fallen kind of into the fireplace a little bit.

Yeah. After she was first hit and then whoever had done it had dragged her to where she was found. You kind of like thrown her down into where she was found. So really brutal. Yeah. Really brutal. And it places her closer to the fireplace when the first hit was done. So it's helping to kind of like see where this all began. Now when they looked at her clothing, they noticed that her underclothes were handmade and kind of strangely fitting,

which is not weird for her because she kind of, that's how she rocked things. Like she handmade a lot of her stuff, even though she didn't have to. Yeah. And a lot of it was kind of ill-fitting and like her undergarments where I was sticking out from under her skirt and shit. I love it. She just didn't give a fuck. Yeah.

Homestos. Yeah, she didn't care. So, they were like, all right. And what they found was, they also found money tucked into a little pocket that was sewn into her corset. That's kind of bad ass. Which is kind of like mafia-esque. That's so exciting. I was like, whoa, what were you doing? Well, that's the thing. And I think in the beginning of this, you were like, if you're lying to your husband about your age, what else are you lying about? Well, that's, yeah. And it's like

lying to your husband about your age, like you're married now, you should probably be with that one when I'm married for quite some time. And it's like you were lying about like 17 years. Yeah, like not like I'm, oh, I'm 25 and you're 30. Because even that, like don't lie, but. Well, exactly, and it's like any kind of lie about your age to your like spouse is weird.

Yeah, like that's weird, but that much. And then all of a sudden, you know, this comes about, and we've heard before, and we'll hear later, that, like they ask William Wallace whether he knew if his wife had money of her own, and he was like, probably, and then he just really know. I don't know how much she would have, or where it would be. And it's like, what? And it's like, why? I don't know. I just, and a rumor kind of comes, a lot of rumors happen in this case because this was one of those like, you know, small areas,

everybody knew each other. Everybody's talking. Shit went around fast. This was a big deal. Yeah. So rumors come out of a lot of these little weird inter-yo-sync crises here. Now, so that's interesting.

And they look further and a really interesting thing that really speaks to the fact that maybe William didn't know how old she was, maybe he did. So they said they looked further into their surprise. They found out that she was wearing a handmade adult diaper of sorts. Oh, and it was like a piece of white felt that was basically fashioned into a diaper, which, you know, she's older, she's in poor health anyways. Yeah. So it's like, that is to be expected when the age comes, like, incontinence can happen. But it also is kind of like, showing that she's much older than what she is putting on. And it's like, did William know this? Did William know that she was incontinent? Like did she know?

Did he know any of this? That would be so wild to just be able to pull that off, like hiding that. Yeah, it's great. When you're marrying to someone and like, do you think he would know? Did they sleep in the same room, do you know? I don't know, to be honest.

That's something that's an interesting thing. Maybe I'll find it for a par three. But yeah, that would be interesting to be honest. That's something that's an interesting thing. Maybe I'll find it for par three But yeah, that would be interesting to find out. Yeah, but then you go, you know, because then we're gonna learn that a lot of these rumors go into like You know sexual shit and it's like I feel like that would be known if you're if you know if you're I don't know There's just a lot it was a strange thing that was very interesting to investigators Yeah, but then I guess like in that time period It's like did you really get undressed in front of your husband? I don't really know I know I know I have no worries Yeah, how like it's really fucking wild think about like that. So that is really wild

I wonder actually you know what let me pause So I looked it up because it's not your job to look it up, it's mine. So I looked it up. And it looks like in the 1930s, twin beds in the same room were a thing. It was the fashionable modern choice of the 1930s. So they each had a twin bed.

Yeah, because before that, I think it was like separate bedrooms goodnight, see you later. And then it became magic. We can sleep in the same bedroom now just in two beds. I mean they are described as having a sharing a bedroom It was their bedroom. So they were at least in the same room together And I imagine they were in twin beds because it looks like that was the cool thing to do back then all right I read a thing that said in the 1950s It was seen as if you were in twin beds and not in the same bed It was seen as like a sign of a failing marriage. in the 1950s. She did. She did. She did I love Lucy instead of seeing things where people learn twin beds.

Is it when you're like, that's so strange. 99 over there. I'm so used to not seeing that. It's just weird, whatever floats your boat. So yeah, they were in the time period where they would be sleeping in separate beds, likely. I mean, they absolutely could have shared one.

There's nothing that says they did or didn't. But they were in the same room. So then if you think about that though, like she made the modesty thing. Yeah, it's like modest. And she had, I was just thinking, she had that room for her like hats and handbags. So I wonder if that was almost like a dressing room.

Absolutely. And it's, I think the style then too was the very like choked neck shirts that are very high and very, you know, you're covered up. And you got like 16 layers of clothing and like 82 petty coats. So it kind of makes sense that like, they might not, you know, that. And you got like 16 layers of clothing. Got like 82 petty coats. So it kind of makes sense that like, they might not, maybe he didn't know.

You know, there's not a whole lot of like peeking under all those clothing layers happening, I guess. Gonna get a norm workout, lift in the skirt. But either way, I think it just leads to one of those things where everybody questions, how much did he not know about his wife? How much was she not sharing? So while they're speaking to Wallace at the police station that night, they're formally taking his statements and all that good stuff. Officer Bailey, who was one of the first ones on scene,

went back to the scene to check he was like, I'm going to do one more look through because it got kind of mayhem before that. There was a lot of people in there. So he said, I'm going to check through to see if there's any missed evidence now that everybody's cleared out. So he and a few other investigators took possession while they were in the house of the money that was left in the home and Julius Handbag is to bring back to like put out as evidence.

They did find out while they were looking through it that one of the paper monies had a smear of blood on it. Oh, and it was one of the paper monies that was upstairsear of blood on it. Oh. And it was one of the paper monies that was upstairs in their bedroom. Oh. So that's interesting. People had looked at this money many times throughout the scene investigating that day and night

and somehow never saw it. But again, we also have a blood clot in the upstairs bathroom that it's either there the whole time in no one's saw it or they brought it up there accidentally because the question now is or they brought it up there accidentally because because so the question now is whether they missed it the first few times they saw it meaning that the blood ended up on the note because the murder Be it Wallace or some unknown person touch the money after killing Julia or The blood was on there because the investigators or Wallace was touching

The stuff after they discovered and touched Julia. Yeah, because no one's snapping on gloves here. They're all just touching shit, which is a huge yikes, but it's also like, why would you touch money and not take it as a murderer? Like, there was money missing from the cash box, right? Exactly. And that's the question we have. So if it's an unknown murderer, the only, and it's a pretty loose, reasonable explanation would be, he went up there, he goes to grab the money, then he thinks better of it and puts it back. But I don't see that happening. He didn't think better of not taking a human life, so I don't really see that happening.

And then you think, if it was Wallace, did he go up there, go to take that money to make it look like a robbery, and then things got out, you know, time got away from him or he decided, no, I'm just going to take the one downstairs and make it seem more pointed that somebody was going after that money and not this money. Just the way that you described the investigation, I feel like it may have been an accident when the real thing was happening. I 100% think this was somebody in that investigation. Be it William or someone else that they didn't bring him upstairs

to go look through everything, to show them whether something was right. He went through there and had to count the money to show them whether he had it. He had already touched Julia. Right. 100% he could have. Yeah.

So it's just straight, that smear really doesn't go anywhere. Either. They don't really do much with it. It's just, and it's like, it's a fucking blood smear. Does someone want to, I don't know. Like we tested it. Rule this out in some way, somewhere or another to help. Well, you know, any side? Nobody ever really got the hang of that.

They didn't, they didn't get the hang of a lot of stuff in here. So they also found on the, so as they're looking through, they find that, they also find on the shelf in the kitchen where that cash box was They find his diaries that he had kept meticulously In fact in those diaries he literally I don't think he even missed a day in those diaries I've even just writing down this and it was like a lot of just boring stuff You know like I'm just going to work today

I ate a hard boiled egg it it was delicious. Like, and he wrote once, once, in all of the diaries in years of being together, he wrote once that they had a quote, falling out him in Julia. No, because she was buying too many newspapers. I mean, that'll end any marriage. That was their fight. Me and Drew constantly fight about my newspaper. And whatever I buy another newspaper, John's like, this might be the one.

Like, come on, Alina. Get it together. This might be the one that breaks us. It's like 30 cents, but we have to. We get through it. Yeah, you know, we do. We get through it. But that's their fight.

They're one fight that he manages to even mention. Yeah. Is over her buying too many newspapers and it was described as a falling out and then it was just nothing else happened. It was a newspaper's code for something else. So, it's like drugs. It's stupid. No, newspaper is actually code for opium.

No, I literally think their fight was literally like, Julia, you're buying too many papers and she was like, she was pissed. buying too many papers and she was like she was pissed shut up William and he was like man and then they just moved on all right that's what it seems like get it so that was the only time they ever fought they were not he wasn't writing about like we got another fight again yeah and he was he was on it he wouldn't written it if it was in there yeah and it was such it was like a minor complaint here and there, like, you know, she's sick again. Right.

It's kind of annoying, but like whatever. Yeah. And no other fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in fact, on January 7th, just to prove that like, they didn't have this like icy cold marriage that some people said they had this loving marriage. Some people said they had this icy cold tension filled marriage I would put it somewhere in the normal realm of a marriage.

Okay, because it's on January 7th, 1931. He wrote, quote, A night of keen frost, the heavy fog gives a wonderful appearance to all plants and trees. Every twig and leaf was most beautifully bordered and outlined with a white rim of frost. Holly leaves, owning to their wavy edges, presented a most charming appearance, and I cannot recollect an occasion on which that produced such wonderfully beautiful effects. After dinner, a per-- I persuaded Julia to go to Stanley Park. She was equally charmed.

A gradual thought seems to be setting in now. No. So he literally is like everything's beautiful and mystical and it's like a snow globe. And then I convinced my beautiful wife to come with me and look at it. She was enchanted as well. It was lovely.

I loved that. I feel like you don't hate each other. I know. That's lovely. The only thing I'll say though about that is like the word persuaded is a little weird. Like, oh, I think that's just like, do you think that's just how he's talking? Like, I persuaded is a little weird like. Oh, I think that's just like, do you think that's just high-speed talk days?

Like, I persuaded her to come with me. Like, I convinced her to come with me. I don't think that was like, I fucking held a gun to her head. Well, no, I don't think. I'm saying like, I just meant like, maybe she like didn't feel like going and he was like, you had to like, you know, I think it was more just like, I persuaded her like, I was like, come look it at with me. You know, I mean, I think that's just like the time. her like I was like come look at it with me and you know

I mean I think that's just like the time he yeah, he writes very like flowery. He does but it just is kind of like you know and she was equally charmed by it and I just watched the frost together. I love that. So yeah, so that just shows like that they weren't like cats and dogs. Yeah. According to his his writing. Now Wallace was brought at this point after being you know interrogated for hours The sim I read in a couple places like 12 hours. Oh damn During what she just like chain smoked completely like he's like barely eight because he's probably like stressed out now After this he was brought to his sister in law's house Amy Wallace. Oh, man, and she was gonna be staying there She was the wife of his brother Joseph sister in Laugh's house, Amy Wallace. Oh, man. And she was gonna be staying there.

She was the wife of his brother Joseph. Okay, and Julia also had a sister Amy, which is interesting. Oh, that's funny. No, immediately. So he's brought to his sister Amy Wallace's. She has a son Edwin, who she's gonna, they're gonna be staying together.

It's basically like, obviously he can't be in the crime scene. And that's the place to go. So immediately, the papers and people around town are like, oh my god, he's living with his sister in law, they are fucking. One hundred. Like, and you're like, does his brother live there too? His wife was just murdered like, this is the only family he has here. What?

Yeah. Say, say what? Like, excuse me? This is like a smear campaign. Well, and so Joseph, his brother, is in India on like business. Mm-hmm. So they were, now people are like, oh, yeah.

Like that's what's happening. Oh my god. Like, like, like, they are living together now. This affair is in the open. It's happening. So now the newest thing was that Julia found out that Amy and William were having an affair. Yes.

And Amy was like, William, you're her. You got a killer so we can live happily ever after together. And it's like, what are we gonna do with his brother then? You know, like the stupid thing. Amy's husband, everyone said,

because nobody knew he was in India. So everyone was like, well, he was in India, so everyone was like, well, he was murdered as well, just quietly. Quietly murdered. Yeah, they just quietly murdered as one does. Now Joseph, by the way, is very close, like, comes back, was on his way during all this home to be by William's side. Yeah.

And stays throughout his side, throughout the trial and everything. My wife and my brother aren't flukin' on the low. Not happening, I'm not murdered, I am here, hi, hello, hi. And it's like, poor Amy is just like thrown into this, and I guess everybody was like treating her, like she's this like woman who likes the other woman. Which is a mistress. So Julia's sister, or excuse me, the sister in law, Amy,

like I said, had a son, Edwin. And he was a medical student, an upstanding citizen. And he said this to police in a statement when they spoke to him about the murder. He said, quote, except for periods of absence at boarding school, I have been in close touch with my uncle and his wife. I never once saw any quarrels between them, or anything other than an atmosphere of mutual trust and happiness. Up in the upstairs back room, my uncle has a laboratory.

My aunt rather objected to this being up in the back room, as she said it was too cold and damped for him, as he was not strong. There's no hint of ill-feeling about this. Oh. So then Amy Wallace, who is now being accused of having an affair with him, said, quote, I visited the wallases frequently, and very often they would play music for us for an hour or so. Everything about the household was perfectly normal, and seemed very happy.

Mr. Wallace relied on his wife a great deal to look after him. She did it without his bothering, and for example, she would change his wet clothes when he had been out collecting. On the evening of Sunday the 18th of January last, I was at Wolverton Street with my son and everything passed off in the usual way. As usual, the walls were very comfortable and happy, except that Mrs. Wallace had a cold. Mrs. Wallace was telling us about a burglary about two doors down the road. Mm-hmm. This doesn't seem like the other woman. No, no, no.

I think that's preposterous. It's very preposterous. Yeah. The salaciousness of these people in this area, this time I'm like, this is hilarious because like the tea that they want, well because they're just not the tea they're getting So they're just gonna make it they're bored as fuck. They make up the weirdest shit waiting to you see the rest of the stuff

They make up it's hilarious. I love it. It's amazing. We love a town gossip. The whole town is a gossip. It's great I'm here for it. So about his demeanor because remember that was a big bone of contention for everybody. Everybody was saying, you know, the John Stins, the neighbors who showed up when they discovered Julia were saying how you know, he was very clearly upset. He was sobbing in the kitchen. Like he was petting that cap because that was Julia's cap. And the kind of been missing. Yeah, so it's like random looking. Hello. But the Emmy and all the investigators said he was stone cold, too calm, totally detached, like, weird demeanor. Wasn't showing any emotion. And we talked about how that's bullshit. A lot of people, I would be the same way, probably. So you can't judge that.

So about his demeanor, they asked Amy and Edwin, because now they've been around him. And Amy said, quote, I and my son were taken into the house by the back way, having been directed to do so by the police. She's talking about the night of the crime. Mr. Wallace was sitting by the fire in the kitchen, almost heartbroken, very much cut up and crying. Usually he is rather a calm man, but tonight he was very much upset and deed, as was to be expected.

Edwin said, quote, he was awfully upset and had his handkerchief to his eyes as he was crying profusely. I told my uncle, I was terribly sorry. And he said, yes, I realize that. And nothing said at this time can help. He's he continued to be terribly upset all the time that we were there. So these two are being like, oh no, like he was like, don't colds like not doing anything. He was fucking sobbing. Like, and it doesn't matter. But Amy later said that when they got home after the police had left finally again,

he didn't even want to change out of his clothing and he just laid down on the couch and she was like, do you want to like change? Or like take, you know, get dressed up or get washed and get comfy. And he said, he just like shook his head. And I guess he said, I shall miss her terribly. Oh, so to me that sounds like somebody who's grieving.

Yeah. Like very upset and had somebody taken away from them, not taken somebody away from themselves. Right. Now the next day people start calling in with tips and shit because even in the 1930s everybody was like, I got a question. I get my shit out of here.

So they called one call said that they knew the wallaces had a maid that they had recently fired. So they're like, huh. And then this person was like and I want you to know that wallaces fucking the maid. Oh God. So it's like what is going on? All this is young and getting it. So this person like, so Wallace is getting it on with the maid. Julia found out and fired her. So obviously he murdered her so that they could be together, him and the maid. Cool, where's the maid, clearly? So they had to take this seriously because what the hell else was we gonna do?

And it sounds so salacious, how could they not follow this up? You got to follow it. Us Weekly. So they ask Wallace about it. They're like, hello, did you ever made that you were fucking in the Julia found out and she fired them and now you two killed her? And he said, I made a video together.

Oh shit, sorry, yeah. And he was like, no, we never had a maid ever. And he was like, we did have a part-time housekeeper that literally came in once a week and worked with Julia to clean the house. Yeah. They just kind of like helped her out with the heavier stuff. Right.

And he was like, that's literally all we have. So he was like, I don't, I think he was like, I think her name Sarah, I don't talk to her much. Like she works with, she works with Mrs. Wallace. And then he was like, you can find her on like Derby Street. I think it was. She lives on Derby Street. Yeah. So he was like, go get her.

I'm sure. You can ask her. So they did find her. Her name was Sarah Draper. Oh, there you go. And she said she was actually hired by Mr. Wallace but didn't interact with him much because he was working most of the time.

And she said Julia was sick a lot. So she needed a hand with the heavier stuff in the house once a week. Yeah, everything she said. She said we had a great relationship me and Julia. We, she was fine. Nothing week. Yeah, everything she said. You know, Wallace, we had a great relationship me and Julia, she was fine. Nothing weird. I wasn't fucking Wallace.

Definitely wasn't fucking William. Wallace barely saw him. Thank you, though. He didn't remember my name, so there's that. So they were like, okay, cool, cool, but you probably know more. And she was like, probably not. So they were like, we should, she was like, probably not.

So they brought her to the crime scene. That's a long one. And they're like, you know, she was like probably. Probably not. So they brought her to the crime scene. That's a lot. And they're like, you know, Julie is removed at this point, but there's the after effects. And they were like, you need to walk around with us and you need to tell us if you see anything strange. Do you see anything that's missing from this house that you see in this house everyone say?

Okay. Strange, strange way to go about this. It's real weird, but okay. So she's like, cool. So immediately upon getting into the parlor, she's like, oh, one of the fire poker is missing. Yeah. And they were like, oh, and they were like, which one? She was like, it's about nine inches long. Always in the same place. It's not there right now. Right, that's definitely missing. So she said also a large piece of iron

about a foot long and about a thick as a candle. And she said that was missing. And she said she always saw it. It was always in the fireplace in the parlor. I guess what they used it for was to like brush out ashes, like brush out like cigarette butts or lit match sticks and stuff that from the fire. Yeah.

So she's like, we use it all the time. They use it a lot. And it's always there. It's not there. Yeah. So they were like, those two things are missing. So they're like, cool. So they bring Wallace back in.

And they're like, do you see anything missing? Do let's just give you one more shot at this. Yeah. He says, no, he doesn't see anything missing. But he's like, I mean, he's a little stressed out right now. And it doesn't sound like he does a lot of the household stuff. Right. So maybe he doesn't even know that he wouldn't notice.

He doesn't do that shit. They do that shit. Right. So why would he notice? Right. So they told the Emmy Professor McFall or McFail, however, we want to talk to him about the iron piece. And they were like,

you know, this is like a thickness of a candle. It's pretty like decent and they were like, could this have been the murder weapon? Because we're looking for that murder weapon and he's like, yup, yup it could have. Oh my god. So, problem was, Sarah described this iron bar to them. They don't have the iron bar. They don't know exactly what it looks like. She's just telling them what it looks like. That's maybe don't go off of that. And also Sarah, when he was like, yep, totally, like that's it. She was like, well, like it was rusty as hell.

Like this is a very rusty thing. And she's like, the whole thing was rusted out. Rust would have come off of it if it was hit on something. Yeah. Well, in her wounds, Julia's wounds and on her no rest was found. None. But they totally ignored that.

They were like, good. Nope, that's the weapon. We got to find that. So it was like, what the fuck? Now, then they hear from this switchboard operator because at this point, they're trying to figure out where that call the night before came from. They're still working on that while trying to work

on the immediate stuff of like the murder weapon and all that. Right. So in the background, they've been working on where that call came from, trying to trace it. They finally hear from a switchboard operator named Leslie Heaton. And she was the one who actually helped them figure out where the call came from, which like, what about us?

Love that. It was a phone booth, and they found out that it was 400 yards from Wallace's house, that that phone call was made. And it was actually next to the tram stop that he used to get to the chess meeting that night. Uh huh.

So this, a little weird. Doesn't look great for him. Uh huh. Because it kind of looks like he could make that call, and then be Bob on the Pobo. And then he showed up right after that call weird. Yeah. So that's interesting, but not like smoking gun.

That's called circumstantial evidence. But certainly interesting. Yeah. You gotta put it in your hat a little bit, and just hold it there for a minute. Put it in your hat. Just put it in your hat. That's what you do with important things.

All right, Yankee, do you know? I don't know where that came from, but I did. I put important things in my hat that I don't wear because you're always, yeah. So now the autopsy is happening. Alrighty. Here, let's look at the autopsy. So the autopsy happened on January 21st, 1931 at Prince's Doc Mortuary. The Emmy, Dr. McFail, said that he was examining the body of Julia Wallace and he said a woman of about 55 years old. She was 69. That's a really big difference. Good job.

Like that's a really big difference. I love that this guy's like, oops, she was 55 years old. You can't even tell the whole truth. Like that's a lot of stupid. What's happening right now? Yeah. You're silly. Yeah.

She was about five to maybe a little, little taller. You lightly built prominent abdomen, which I was like rude. I don't know what to have me, prominent abdomen. I feel like I would, like that's not a pop belly. Like that's not a nice thing to say. I don't feel like fucking you. What the hell? No matter what it means, it's like that just doesn't Like that's not a nice thing to say. I don't feel like fucking you. What the hell?

No matter what it means, it's like that just doesn't, that sounds rude. Yeah, shut up. I don't know. You just don't need to say. She was not pregnant, they said. No. No, they had nine years to nine.

There was small recent bruise mark on the inside of her left upper arm. There was no other marks of violence on the trunks or limbs. The hair was matted with blood and brain tissue. Gross. They did shave her hair off so they could get a better view of it. There are crime scene photos of this. You can see the crime scene. You can also see her head spooky after it was shaved so you can see it. There is a pretty big wound. It's a lacerated wound on her head, two inches by three inches, from which the brain and bone were protruding. On the back of the head, on the left side were 10 diagonal apparently incised wounds. Okay. Now like cut wounds. So they said on removal of the scalp,

the left frontal bone was driven into the front of the brain, corresponding to the external wound. Ow. The whole of the left side of the back of the skull was driven in and broken into pieces. Ow. The injury extended into the middle in real fossa, fracturing and breaking up the rear part of the cerebellum, bursting the

tentorium cerebelli and breaking up the left part of the cerebellum. So basically it's just shattering that brain tissue. Yeah. The left lateral sinus was broken across. Also the men, men, I can never say it, meninjil, there we go, meninjil arteries. So the appearance it says was as if a terrific force with a large surface had driven in the scalp, bursting it into parallel lines. Ah! With the appearance of several in-size wounds, but the edges of these wounds were not sharp.

So it almost looked like she got that giant hit and a couple more and then that, it just kept happening. Yeah. At least a few, a handful of hits. So everything else they said was pretty normal. They said the stomach contained about four ounces, semi-fluid, consisting of currents, raisins, and un-masticated lumps of carbohydrate. Interesting. So she had some kind of bread or muffin or scone with like raisins and currants in it.

And it was pretty raisins. Currants are like other little like fruit or raisinie kind of things. It says everything else was normal. And it says in my opinion, I am of the opinion that death was due to fracture of the skull by someone striking the deceased three or four times with a large, hard, large headed instrument. Now, three or four times, he says, he later changes the set trial. Yeah. And changes like not a lot.

Changes it by a lot, as we will see. Because they like, like in my terms, they demolished her head. A 100%. Like I feel like that's a lot more than three or four hits. Yeah. I mean, it definitely, given if you did it with like enough force, you get her down the first. Yeah. You are able to get three more like really hard ones. We could do it. But it's it's it. Honestly, I wouldn't question it so much if you didn't he changed it later. So it's like,

which one is it? Right. So then Wallace told police they had eaten a meal together before he went back out. Okay. Before he went back out, he said that they had had scones together. That could be a carbohydrates thing. Now, he said that this was a bit past 6 p.m. But Macphal said she was dead by 6 p.m. Yeah, but he was hell-or-wrong. But the meal is there to confirm that she was alive and eating past six.

Right. So already we're like fucking up this time is bullshit. Yeah. But they keep hinging on it. They hinge on his shit. Now, remember, this was such a brutal murder that whoever did it would have been covered in blood. Yeah.

Covered. There's no way you would get away from this. In fact, the first thing the cops did was tell everyone to look for people covered in blood stains just walking around the city. That's my favorite. Yeah, they're just like, go find those people. Because if they would not change their clothes. Well, obviously Wallace's clothing was microscopically analyzed, because they're going to look to see. It was analyzed by William Roberts, who is a forensic analyst specializing in this. He said there was not even one speck of blood on his clothing.

Wow. And they did a benzenein test. So even if he had watched his clothing, which one would he have done that, it still would have reacted positively. Wow. The test is such that when the benzenein, hydrogen peroxide and glacial acetic acid, acid, acid comes in contact with blood. The resulting solution will turn blue to indicate a positive reaction. It didn't happen. I think that's so cool that you could even do that back then. Yeah. I know.

They were like really up on it. I'm pretty impressed. But apparently this doesn't matter. Oh, it's fine. Okay. So the police officer that was working this case actually said at this point, quote, I remember one of my colleagues remarking that if Wallace was the criminal, he had not only committed a crime, but perfected a miracle.

He, uh, he had to have escaped from the murder room as clean as he went in was like taking a shower or a bath and not getting wet. Wow. So they're all sitting there being like, this is literally impossible. But we have to pretend like it's not says literally plant based. So you want to know what they're because this is pretty. How do you explain that? Yeah, you don't. He doesn't have a speck of blood on him. Explain it. Are they were like, oh, explain it. Okay. He was fucking naked. naked. Well, he was naked. He was naked. What? No, he wasn't just naked. He was naked with his coat on and his coat protected him. So he was naked with a Macintosh coat on. What? Yep. And that coat that was found beneath Julia, that was his. The one that they kept asking him is that yours. And he was like, yes, it's mine. That's what you were.

They were like, that's the one that you were wearing. You stripped off all your clothes, you were butt-ass naked. You put on that mackintosh to protect you from getting blood on you. And then, when you saw that it was soaked in blood, you just stuffed it under Julia. Yep. Which seems like the right thing to do, right? Yep. No, you wouldn't get rid of the coat.

You would just stuff it under her. Yep. So William Wallace, a 52-year-old insurance salesman, who is killing his wife for no discernible reason at all. Did it well, Nathan? Did it naked? We're kinky. It's getting awesome.

It's really awesome. It's getting kinky. It's getting weird. It's getting awesome. And it's going to get even more weird. We're keeping it weird on this. So by now, the newspapers had accounted all of this. And it seems like Wallace was being blamed for it

in every way, shape and form. Oh, yeah. So now, there's been, you know, there's been a few people that went to the Wallace's house that day. They had like milk delivery, they had, you know, bread delivery. Yeah, those all kinds of deliveries that happen back then. And it was usually kids who did these things like 14 year olds.

Yeah. Kids with paper routes and shit. So one of these boys was named Douglas Metcalf. And he delivered newspapers to the Walsh's every morning. Uh-oh. He was speaking to friends who, because they had told him, you know, they don't need their newspaper anymore. Don't deliver it.

Julia's got too many of them. So he's talking to his other friends who delivered other things, like the dairy and such. A girl who worked with the son of the dairy shop owner. His name was Alan Close. He was a 14-year-old boy. He said that he actually delivered milk to the wallases and he did this every day. And she said that he had told her he delivered milk to Mrs. Wallace that day around a quarter to seven. Now when Metcalf heard her say this, he told her he was like the newspapers are saying that the bread boy Neil was the last guy to see her alive. But it was Alan. Right.

At a quarter to seven. Yeah, and they were like an Alan needs to go to the police and tell them that he saw her at a group of the seven Because Mr. Wallace is being railroaded for this like you got it. So I'm gonna say something right So 14 year old Allen shows up to this group of kids and Douglas Metcalf is like Dude when did you see Mrs Like doesn't say what like doesn't say he knows is just like when did you see Mrs. Wallace on that day? Yeah, and he's like oh, I saw her at a quarter to seven. Right.

Hello. Metcalf is like, holy shit. And says the same thing to him. You got to tell the police. So he's like, all right, that will give him like kind of a, at least like somewhat of an alibi or make them at least look at it. Yeah. So they convinced him to go to the house where the police are stationed

because they're still stationed at the crime scene. He goes there. The police officer usheres him and and talks to him for a second. He apparently comes out and he tells them that he's like, nope, they told me not to mention it to anybody. Because here's the, they wanted everyone to be like, oh William Wallace did it, we're safe, nothing to see here. Yeah, they were literally like, yep, because they talked to McFail, or McFall, but McFail. No, it's not.

They talked to McFail and he was like, no, that's bullshit, she was dead by six. And they were like, what if this kid is saying that he literally talked to her, like literally handed her milk? He's like, I don't know. No. And so it's like, okay.

And so the investigators are literally like, well, the milk boy is just mistaken. Okay. Like no other explanation, he's just mistaken. So there's that, that's gonna come back afterwards too. I would think. Now later, the rumor does get out and people start talking about this

and being like, wait, the milk boy saw her, like wait a second, but then instead of being like, oh, maybe the police are just being corrupt. And this is like just them pointing at Wallace with no reasoning. They're like, no, I know what it is. I think that wasn't actually Julia that answered the door that night at quarter to seven.

Okay. I think it was her sister in law Amy who was having that passionate affair with William. You gotta give it up at some point. And with speaking to Alan, Dressed in Julius clothing, who was murdered inside at that point. Yeah, cause Williams naked and she's wearing Julius clothes

and it's just a fucking great time in here. Alan, who has seen them every day. And spoken to Mrs. Wallace every day. Yep. Knows what she looks like. In fact, said that that day, she said, oh, do you have a little cough? And she was like, he was like, I do have a little cough.

And she was like me too, get some rest. And they were like, cool, cute. Like, so they had a moment of speaking. Some people were like, okay, that's fine. We can explain that. It was William dressed as Julia, and putting on a woman's voice. Okay, Mrs. Doubtfire.

He was a foot taller than her. Yep. And also had a mustache. Yep. But okay. Who's to say? Yeah, who's to say? Not me.

Who's to say? She just not out. She was on stilts. It's fine. You know, who's to say? And who's to say? And who's to say? And who's to say?

And who's to say? Like, he did a really great job at just, she was on stilts. Yeah, she was on stilts. And she was really getting to that cleaning. She was like, what did she do? She was like, I don't, she was on stills. And she was really getting to that cleaning. She was like, what did she do? The higher dust and air. She was like, I don't need the house cheaper anymore. I can do this.

Fire Sarah, she's fucking my husband. But literally. Literally. Everybody's like, yeah, that makes sense. Mm-mm. So now this is when things get really crazy. So you keep saying that, but they're really kind of just keeping it crazy on the same level. So now 52-year-old insurance salesman who likes to tinker in his laboratory and has failing

kidneys, stop. Is now not just having a passionate affair with his sister-in-law, he's now betting women all over town. Oh, of course. He is just... He is a master of seduction. He is... That williamwollis. He's ripping women away from their husband while he goes on his insurance route. And he's just causing mayhem. He's... Who knew? Everywhere. William Wallace.

He's Bobby O of 1931. William Wallace, young and getting it. He's getting it. So now people are thinking. So he's at this point, you know, he hasn't been arrested at this point. He's been brought in a ton for interrogation, Wallace. But they released him every time.

What they didn't tell him, but what he probably knew was that they were tailing him this entire time. Oh yeah. They had 24 hours of valence on him every time. What they didn't tell him, but what he probably knew was that they were tailing him this entire time. They had 24 hour surveillance on him. Absolutely. So people noticed this, like at local pubs, they were like, yeah, we can see that this fucking detectives, you guys are not really keeping this low key.

You're not on the low, low here. But he, so people started being like, oh, he has protection from like, or like surveillance. So people were like, no, that's not surveillance. He asked for that protection because all the husbands, all the women are trying to get together and they're trying to kill him.

So he needed 24 hour protection because he's such a lothario. These people needed stimulation. I'm gonna post another picture of William Wallace. He's sure, you're like, all right. Yeah, I don't know if he's scooping in and stretching up your wives. I don't know if he's one, but maybe he has a great personality. I don't, he's smart.

He likes to be naked, so like, damn, he loves to be naked. So there's that. Yeah, but yeah. So he just needs that 24-hour surveillance. 24-hour surveillance. It's insane. It's insane. Far too much. So then people started talking about, well, he's an insurance agent.

He knows that. He sells insurance. He probably put a hefty insurance policy on her, like life insurance policy on her, and he killed her to get it. No. So, the life insurance policy on her, and he killed her to get it. No. So the life insurance policy on her was only 20 pounds. It covered barely the expense of the funeral, and there was like nothing left after that.

It would have been literally no reason for that. So that didn't work, but people hung on it anyway. Then they pointed to him being a chess player, as reason for him being the murder. How? Suddenly he became a brilliant chess player. So obviously, only someone so brilliant at chess could do this because it takes planning. It takes meticulous anticipating of events and risks and plotting out this whole thing

and manipulation, which is what you do in chess. But first, that's a huge leap. Yes. That's a huge leap to be like, you like chess, you murder people. I've always had that chess and murder go hand in hand. Obviously. Well, second, he sucked at chess. Right. He was not different. Everyone in his club heard these rumors and were like, what? Yeah, no. And they were like, he was not a brilliant chess player. He just loved chess. He just liked it. Yeah. And they were like, in fact, one of them was quoted as saying, quote, the murder of his wife apart, I think Wallace ought to be hanged

for being such a bad chest. Like, that's awesome. To which I say, I wanna hang out with these test guests. To which I say too soon, buddy. So that was so dark. And it's like, I would have laughed so hard at that joke and we would have both been kicked out. Like, I wanna know who that guy was.

You know that guy just had like a pint in front of him. It was like that guy got out of my face. That guy gets it. That guy gets it. He gets the gallows humor. He understands. He do. I wanna be like, are you an autopsy technique?

Do you work with 10 people? I feel like you do. Then you have that, that's something humor. But yeah, so he sucked a chest. So that whole brilliant manipulation anticipating. He was smart. Yeah. Like nothing to do with chest. No, but I think they're just trying to make him into a character now.

He's become a character. They definitely are trying. They're making him a character. So then, you know, that kind of is floating out there, but it's not enough. So he likes science, right? So he's a mad scientist. That's juggling high. That's what happens.

You like scientist, you become, you poof, your hair goes crazy and you become a mad scientist it's always the way so they were like what is going on now this no basis standing of this he just like science he has a lab yeah how dare he rude well now people are like I bet he's doing crazy ass experiments in that lab where he's torturing animals what no basis nothing nothing to say this and they were like I bet I in that lab where he's torturing animals. What? No basis. Nothing. Nothing to say this. And they were like, I bet. I bet he just likes seeing animals suffer.

So he was like, this is fun. But then after a while, he was like, I'm bored. And he was like, I need to see humans suffer. I don't really think that he was like a Jeffrey Dahmer-esque kind of guy. Well, this also went hand in hand with him being like a sex addict rumor because they're saying he concocted Afro-DGX in his lab to entice these women into bed. You know, it's really funny. I guarantee you he had like a dark

chocolate bar in that room and they were like, oh my god sex fiend on the loose. Love potion here. They found like can oyster shell. He actually just like to not a cool decor. Oh, also. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But they were like, here he is just throwing these down. Everybody's throats just getting them all worked up. He's always got a couple oysters in his pocket.

Yeah, it's not on a rock. He's just throwing it down. Everyone's throats. He's like, let's get it on. Well, and then on top of that, they were like, ooh, a laboratory, probably an opium down I bet. So he's probably tripping balls too. We're like, no, no, no, that's actually

the medical examiner on the case. And it's like, don't get confused. Is there a place where you guys stop? Like, I don't know where. It's a great length. Because why not? This should be called the great length smirter. That's just make him, like,

let's make him living in an opium den, torturing animals, just having to make him make him women or geez everywhere. Well, here's the thing, I'm like, where's he like having sex with all these women? Apparently in their homes while he's dropping off their insurance policies. Oh, okay, got it.

That's what everybody was going on. Also, like, is Julia Nakane here, him torturing small animals while she's literally home and sick all the time? You would think so. Yeah, and like, he's like pretty sick all the time. What's he do with them when he's sick? And also, there's literally not one shred of evidence. A evidence, for an, like, this is total bullshit.

But it was being looked on as this is motive. This is motive, yikes. Like, all that sex shit, that was motive. Someone was, at the end of the day, the police were like, listen. Someone's fucking, someone they shouldn't be fucking, and that's the reason that she died. We don't care who it is, but it's happening. Scandal.

Which I love that they just hung their hat on like- They're like, this is sex-related. Some kind of penetration is happening that shouldn't be happening. Wasn't she like not even assaulted either? No, she wasn't assaulted. That's the other thing. I'm like, what gives us motive

that this was like sexually motivated? They just threw it because they were like, sex makes people angry. So let's just do this. Like what? So sorry. I think it was like the 1930s and they were like, the devil.

So then they were like, okay, it's an opium den. So there's that. And then they were like, oh, you know what? This kind of sounds a culty in black magicies. So like, what? Maybe he's also a follower of Alster Crowley. Obviously. Does he have a book of Alster Crowley?

No. Oh. Does he have anything that would suggest that he is a follower of Alster Crowley? No. But he is. But he is. He did write in one of his, but in one of his diaries

that he and Julia have very different views on religion. She was like a Catholic, went to church, and he was agnostic. So he was like, I think that if I'm, which I was like, I was like, I'm down for that, because he was like, we get along fine. Like she can believe what she believes. I don't believe what I believe,

which I was like, yay. That's what you should do. I have friends who are like all different religions. And he said, if I'm a good person, and I don't hurt people, and I do my best, and I live a good, like, you know, upstanding life, then I would hope that I would go the same place

that she goes. That's what he said. He was like, I just, that's what I hope. Yeah. So maybe they looked at him being an agnostic, and we're like, he's obviously a Satanist. Well, what I hope. Yeah. So maybe they looked at him being an agnostic and we're like, he's obviously a Satanist. Well, maybe back then.

Yeah. Cause back then, like 1930s, you know, like it's, it could be, I don't know where else they drew this conclusion because besides him being a scientist, yeah. They were like, but yeah, so now he's a Satanist. He's into black magic.

He's also running an opium den, torturing small animals, fucking everyone in town. And guess what else? He listens to Metallica. And he doesn't naked. For they exist. He doesn't naked. I'm picturing William Allis just running around his insurance places with Metallica shirt on,

being like, 666 and love the devil. He's just like jamming to enter Sandman. So... I also just picture with black nail polish on it. Yeah, it's like, dude, dude, dude, dude, he comes home. He's like, dude, I am. What the fuck is all that?

He's doing it in his lab. On his lunch break, he goes out there and it's like a teenage boy going on to his room. It's just like, dude, dude, dude, dude. And he's just like, like, looking through his micro. He's like, let's get it. It's just his moment of release, which I think is rad. Good for you, William. So then, I guess, some slaps. So then the people, so now the people who think that William wasn't the guy were like we need to contribute to the rumor mill as well Because they like we can't just let this be all Williams the bad guy. Yeah Now when I think of the rumor mill also, I don't know if anybody is totally off topic, but it's funny Whatever so hang in there

Any of you who watched the original Sabrina the Teenage Witch series? They did an episode where it was like she had to work in the rumor mill, and it was an actual mill. And I thought of it and I laughed so hard. I remember that. And it also has, oh, what's his name? From Kluis. I'm going to look it up because I can't leave you guys like that.

Paul Rudd? No. Donald Fieson. I don't know why I couldn't take it. I love him too. I don't know why I thought Paul Rudd was in Sabrina. But he's like her boyfriend at the time and they make up rumors. And one of them is that Harvey is pregnant.

It's funny. I think you should watch it. Oh my god, I forgot about that. But I just want to just give you a little love it here. And then Harvey becomes pregnant. He does and then she like has no teeth. It's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So go ahead and watch it. It's on prime. So they said they said they were like We got to start contributing to this because it can't be all about William. Yeah, so they were like here's the thing Let's go way far out of the box. No, let's not go out of the box Julia was having an affair with a married man and when he broke it off She threatened to tell his wife and ruin his life that rhymes So he paid her a weekly sum of money

or however many, like weekly, monthly, whatever. Julia actually had a sugar daddy. Just to keep her quiet. Like, you gotta shut the fuck up. And he off to just stop it all because he was like, I'm in, this is becoming an issue for me. They said the reason the cash box was robbed

but nothing else was because that's where he thought the money that he had been paying her was stashed and he just wanted to recoup his payments. I mean that's not like crazy except for the fact that I don't think she was having enough air. I don't either. I mean this held a bit of water, water because Wallace couldn't say how much or where Julius money was and he was actually shocked to find out she had 90 pounds in a bank account that he didn't know about. Oh so maybe there was a secret lover money. I don't know. I don't know. She also had a secret pocket that he didn't know about. Oh, so maybe there was a secret lover money. I don't know. I don't know. She also had a secret pocket for money. That's weird. There was a secret

pocket. So there could be a secret lover. They also spoke to a Glamis again, and BD, and BD, and or BD I think it is. And BD was the captain at the chess club. He was the one who got the call. I am the captain. He got the call. So they wanted to talk to them again to get another better idea of that whole full and call situation, because it's very strange. Yeah. Now, Gladys said the man sounded like an elderly gentleman and spoke very articulately, very refined. Nothing out of the ordinary, just very refined man. Okay. Now, Beatty described the voice as, quote, strong and gruff, ready of utterance, confident, definite, and knowing what to say.

So, he definitely prepared that statement. And gruff. Like that's not refined and like elder, the exact opposite. So this could mean that the caller, Qualtrow, actually disguised his voice for Beaty, perhaps because Beaty would recognize it as a voice that he knows if he used his real voice I am William Wallace maybe just to play devil's advocate. Uh-huh. Would be strange, but it's possible. It's possible. Now after a long 10 hours of being questioned on another day, Wallace is finally released. He's probably so pissed off So he runs into at the tram station his friends from from chess club there. And Beaty was there. Beaty saw him and he was like,

hey Wallace, like what's going on? And then he was like, before you say anything, like please don't talk about the murder or anything because I don't want you to say something that you like don't mean to. And I don't want to be involved in this. So he was like, please just like me. And so I guess William was like, okay, cool. Can you be more specific on the timing of the Qualtra call the other night? He was like, what time did he call? And he was like, dude, I really, I just told you I don't want to do this. But he was like, I can't be more specific.

I just know it was like around that seven o'clock time. So he was like, you can't get like anywhere else. Like you can't tell me like a specific. You can just look at the caller ID. Just the caller ID in the series. And he kept saying to me, he's like, he kept pressing me. And he kept saying, it's really important. Like it seemed like he was trying to get it closer to seven.

What he didn't know was that a police officer was listening because he was being surveyed, surveilled, and he was in the shadows, and he told the rest of this information to the rest of the police officers when he went back to the department. So once they hear this, they're like, that's strange that he was like, you know, pushing for that.

So they confronted Wallace with it. And Wallace was like, yeah, I did. I'm just stressed out. I just want this to be over. Like, I was just trying to get more information. I just want to like move on to the actual grieving process. And he's like, you know, the coroner's inquest is coming up, I thought that could help with it

if we had a better time. And he actually says the quote, when they said, like, why did you do that? He said, quote, I have an idea Wallace said and then he said we all have ideas. It was indiscreet of me So they were like what does that mean? So they told this they took this as him being guilty and wanting to change B.D. story when really it just seems like he wanted to be more specific about the time. Yeah. So Beatie agreed that like he didn't think he was trying to change his story.

He just was desperately trying to get any time to help him. Yeah, he's trying to figure out not only who killed his wife, but also get the cops off of his booty. Like that's the thing. It's like he's just trying to do anything that's like get me out of here because they're trying to pin this on me. Yeah, yeah. So that of course, it comes up later.

It's a whole thing. He never should have said anything because it's like, and especially like, I was in discrete, they use that as like, oh, you're in discrete. So you think, right? And he's like, no, I'm in like, I'm not being smart about this.

Like, I should, you know, it just sucks. So now they have an idea at this point that he's being weird. He totally did it. The naked coat, all the things, the opium-den, the sex parties, the like, woo-woo, like all that. But they're worried about this Alan milk kid. Because although they told him, forget about it.

Don't say anything. He's gonna keep talking. People are already hearing about it. So January 25th, it was a Sunday. They bring Alan in. Yeah. And later at court, they would not be able to give any information about how Long Allen was interviewed, who interviewed him, any of the details about this interview. Because they paid him all

any of the records and in trial. Now he's 14 years old. They just scared the shit out of him. Oh yeah. So in trial, they all didn't answer any of this. They were like, nope all didn't answer any of this They were like nope not gonna say word about that all that came from this was suddenly Alan was terrified and had changed his memory. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. He was like oh, I'm I was so wrong You know that sounds like as I'm jessie from the West Memphis 3. It's it's 100% So now he said he was like, now I remember. Now before he had a quarter of a seven.

Now he has it that he looked at the clock face on Holy Trinity Church and it was glowing. He remembers it perfectly. And he said, when I looked at it, it was right before I went to the walls his home and it was 625, not quarter to 7, so it was 625. All right, so they did this entire retracing and recreation of this route with him.

Cute. They used a stopwatch, and they wanted to see exactly how long it would take, how Wendy would get to the house, how long he would talk to them for. They, after doing this, came to the conclusion that he arrived to give the milk to Mrs. Wallace at 631, not quarter to seven. And that Wallace could only have left the house

at the very latest at 649. So according to this test, he had 18 minutes to kill her, brutally kill her, clean up, brutally clean up. Brutally clean up. I want you to clean your room and I want you to do it brutally. I'm gonna say that. So then he also had to steal from himself by ripping the cabinet door off.

Go upstairs, put some blood on that. Wash himself completely. And that's it. But they were like, yep, that's it. 18, that's all he needs. Yeah. That proves it right there. Yeah. That's it. It takes me like 18 minutes to. Yeah. That proves it right there. Yeah.

That's it. It takes me like 18 minutes to get out of fucking bed in the morning. So you know what they took from this? February 2nd at 7pm, two weeks after the murder, they arrested William Wallace at Amy's flat for the murder of his wife. Wow. What a bunch of bullshit. And when they arrested him, he said, what can I say an answer to a charge of which I'm

absolutely innocent? I do think he's innocent. I don't think he did it. 100% I think he's innocent. Yeah, this is bullshit. Now we're gonna end. You suck. In one second, because remember I told you about Richard Gordon Perry

and how he had gone to that mechanic shop. Yeah, in the baseball. Well, now William Wallace is arrested. Right, remember his boss was like, you go to the fucking police. Well, John Parks was like, okay, so he runs. he runs to the police. I'm making a running motion. I'm chewing it. She is. He runs to the police. And he's like, I have a bombshell. I have Richard Gordon Ramsay. There's a baseball glove soaked in blood. The same night that he tells you he has

an alibi. What's you going to do about it? They don't care. And they were like, absolutely nothing. And that was it. They never spoke care. And they were like, absolutely nothing. And that was it. They never spoke about it again. You say you mean me? They never looked into it. Hold on to that for this entire fucking episode. You know what?

I almost said, oh no, I told you you sucked like preemptively. Nope, you suck. Yeah. I'm at it, you. So that's where we're gonna end for part two because there's an entire trial that gets crazy. Crystasy. Crystasy. And even more rumors.

So you don't say that's part two of the impossible murder of Julia Wallace. In part three, William has a sex dungeon. And like I told you, you're gonna get part three much sooner than this one, so hang tight. Look out for that, brother. You can. Don't really do that.

And you know, tell us what you're thinking. As like, do you think you did it? Do you think you didn't? I think he did not. I don't. 150%. I think he did not. Yeah, I don't think he did at all.

I don't know who did though. Yeah, I don't know. That's the problem here. I mean, maybe that guy with the bloody baseball man. One of the problems is they didn't look for any other suspects. Right. None. So it's like, we have nothing to go.

Well, like you said, there was all these burglary's going on. Exactly. The thing just, you're only been like a burglary gone wrong. It's maybe, but that didn't really look like that. Yeah, it's strange. I don't fucking know, but in the meantime, while you're waiting for part three, keep listening to other episodes.

Yeah. Do that. And we hope you keep it. We're, but also worth that any of this happens and you just spread rumors every single day of your life even though none of them have any substance at all and definitely just don't do that. Bye. Bye. Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple

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