Morbid - Episode 230: Catherine & David Birnie Part 1

Episode Date: May 8, 2021

David and Catherine Birnie were twelve when they met, each coming from tough home lives. Over the years they couldn’t fight their connection, and eventually became two of the worst humans walking the planet. Together they abducted, raped and killed young women across Australia without a thought. In part 1 Alaina will give us a little insight into their lives before and during their relationship and cover the first two murders. Stay tuned for part two. Sources: Psycho Girl: The True Story of Catherine Birnie Sexual Deviants by Serene Makepeace  David Birnie's daughter speaks   As always, thank you to our sponsors: Firstleaf: Save time, money, and stress with Firstleaf – the wine club designed with you in mind! Join today and you’ll get 6 bottles of wine for $29.95 and free shipping! Caviar: Just for our listeners, Caviar is offering $10 off an order of $20 or more. All you have to do is put in the offer code MORBID2021 at checkout Candid Co: Right now, you can save seventy-five dollars on Candid’s starter kit!! Go to CandidCO.com/morbid and use code morbid Stamps: Just go to Stamps.com and enter code MORBID to get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage and a digital scale! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid in the morning again, the AM sessions. We are here and I am a cyclops right now. Yes, it's a look. In case you don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know if anybody remembers a couple of years ago if you've listened to this podcast, my oldest, when they were like two years old, accidentally poked my eye and like truly

demolished my eye. Did some Dimash, like did some real damage and like almost had to have surgery on my eye. It was real bad. And that healed without surgery, luckily. And then, you know, three years later, my youngest comes along and last night decided to dive bomb on top of me with her talons out and stuck her finger so hard into my eye

that it looped around my eyeball. And almost just like, I don't wanna talk about it anymore. She almost just like popped it right out of me. Yeah, little, little, but, but. So I look like I got in a prize fight. You know what I'll tell you, that it's starting to look better. I hope so.

It is. And you can see like a scratch on my, on the sclera. It's a really, very, very slow list. It's definitely slow, and I look like I got hit in the eye. So that was a fun night of sleep, of like not sleeping, because every time I close my eye, I can feel it like hit in the eye. So that was a fun night of sleeping, of not sleeping, because every time I close my eye, I can feel it tearing around my head. Yeah, so that's a lot of fun.

But we're gonna do this today either way. Yeah, I mean, I got my second shot of Moderna yesterday, and I also didn't sleep last night. I was like, sores hell, but get the shot. But yeah, definitely. I mean, it's very much worth it. I can't wait to go out to eat. But yeah, so I think that's all that's new.

Yeah, it's really good news. So what's new with us is we both feel like shit. But here we are. But yeah, I don't think there's any new news. There's been some like movement in the Delphi, the, you know, down the hill, the Delphi case, Liberty and Abby. And I don't want to like go too far into it because I think Libby's sister is like, let's wait and see how this plays out. I've seen that on to it. But I know a lot of people have asked about it. We're gonna just,

we're gonna like wait, see how it plays out. Yeah. Because so far there's no new suspects. So we don't want to like throw anything out there. But just answer the people that are like, Oh, what's going on here? We see it. We're like watching it. We will let you know when we think it's time to like talk about it. Yeah. But I think that there's really not much going on. So this is going to be part one of a two-part series of which you are getting the two parts. Boom, boom. Bing, bang. Right at the same time. Hey oh. So that's our gift to you. You don't have to wait.

Yeah, happy Mother's Day weekend. You're all our moms, I guess. You are all our moms each and every one of you. Even though seven of you call us mom. So we're going to call you mom right back. Mom, there you go. Hey, mom. So this is our gift to you moms.

Yeah. All of you. And especially all our Australian moms. Yeah. This is an are Australian case. You know I love the land down under. I come from a land down under. Now this is a really bad one. I just want to like throw it right out there

right in the beginning. This is gnarly. It's really rough. There is rape involved. These people are just terrible people all around. So, you know, just be ready for that. This is not going to be an easy one. So, but stick with us.

I love that it's like 8.30 in the morning right now. Yeah, but stick with us, because in the end, there's like good that comes out of it. So just stick with us. Well, I love that. So we're going to be talking about David and Cassar and Bernie. All right. Which I know everyone in Australia right now is like gasping for air.

So they are known as the More House murders because they lived and committed most of their Trochis crimes at three More House road in Willoughby. And that's where they abused, raped, tortured their victims, horrific shit. Yeah. So let's talk about them first. Let's talk about David Bernie. What's up with him? A lot, I feel like. What's up with him?

Not a lot anymore because spoiler alert, he's dead. So feel good about that. So he was born February 16, 1951 in Wattl Grove. I looked it up because I'd never heard of Wattl Grove. It's in Western Australia and it's in New South Wales. You guys have really interesting, it's so funny to look at it. The top of it.

The top of it. To other continents and other countries and stuff and see how they do things because it's just so different, like named places and all that. Oh yeah. So it's hard to figure out where is New South Wales. Where is that? I don't know and all that. Oh, yeah. And so it's like, it's hard to like figure out you're like, where is New South Wales? Where is that?

I don't know what it is. Where, though? So he was born to John and Margaret Bernie. A priest who married the two of them, his parents, said when he performed the marriage, he knew it wouldn't lead to anything good. So when his parents got married? Oh, great.

The priest literally said, when I married these two people, I was like, nothing good is going to come out of this. The priest, why did you do it then? I think he had to. But all that's really known about John, his father. There's not a lot known. He was really quiet, kind of like a meek man. He was a Baptist, and he was known to have a very pronounced

stutter, which made him very nervous around people. So that's sad. And he was very quiet. He was the quiet of the two. He wasn't the Yeller and the Screamer. That one went to Margaret. Margaret's the Yeller and the Screamer. Marge.

Margaret's like, she's a fucking monster. I want to say, I think that would be a good way to describe her. She was like a chain-smoking alcoholic. She abused her children emotionally and physically. She was like a chain smoking alcoholic. She abused her children emotionally and physically. She was a legit demon. He had four younger siblings. So he was the oldest of five. His home growing up was filthy. Why would you have five children if you don't want them? That's the thing that bothers me because these two like for sure did not want these Right, so it's like there's ways to not.

And it's like, maybe just don't have them. Right, I don't like that's, it's, if you're gonna do that. You can treat the children, like don't have the children. And it's like, that's fine. You want to live in your filthy house a lot. Have at it. Go for it. But once you involve kids, that's fucked up.

Shit's getting more used for you. You can sit there in your own filth all day. I don't give a shit. But yeah, she's terrible. So the house with filthy, completely unkempt, they would just leave the refrigerator open all day because they didn't feed their children. They would just let the refrigerator be open. And if you wanted food, even at like two years old, you waddle over to the refrigerator and pull something out and eat it. What? Yep. And one, I'm assuming that things were rancid then, if they're not actually being refrigerated.

That's just using the refrigerator as like a fucking pantry. Yeah. So she was just like a witch who didn't want to do anything for her kids, like not change them, not pay them. She gives them up for adoption then. Exactly. And she, that included feeding them apparently.

She wasn't willing to actually do anything like that There were rumors that there was incest in this home The kids were in and out of foster care Which it's like just give them up. Oh, yeah, like you don't want them This is not a case of I can't take care. This is a case of I don't want kids. I don't want them I mean she's screaming people since she would scream and yell at these kids all the time um, I mean she's screaming people said she would scream and yell at these kids all the time. I think there's There's a YouTuber named Bella and I can't remember her last name. She's a true crime YouTuber. She's really great. I'll look it up

I'm telling him is Bella. I think her last name begins with an afash. We'll look it up She's really great. You should go listen her and she had said that she found a story where David's mother had like us was on a bus with one of her, like when her child was a baby, one of them. And the baby was like screaming. And she just got up, handed the baby to a random stranger, went to the, like another part of the bus, like sat there, just like hung out, read a book,

like did what she did. Then when it was her stop, she just took the baby back and like got off the bus. If I was the person that she gave that baby to, I would be like, I'll just keep it. I'd be like, I'm calling CPS right now. Yeah, like you're dialing me. Also it is Bella Fiori.

Fiori, yeah, she's really good. Yeah. So go listen to it. I just like happened to watch a thing of hers. And I'd watched hers like a while ago and that's when I wrote down. I was like, I got to do this case. Oh yeah. And I remember her relaying that story ago, and that's when I wrote down, I was like, I gotta do this case. Oh, yeah.

And I remember her relaying that story somewhere in there. That's so fun. But yeah, I thought that was insane. So yeah, it's insane. So he, David, attended Sunday School and a local Baptist church. That's the only thing she did do is bring her children to a Baptist church.

His teacher, when he was three years old at the Sunday School, said she recognized right away that something was off with him, that he was three years old. Way more violent than other kids, yeah, three. And he would just sit there at three years old and just tear into papers with pencils. What the fuck?

Yeah. And the teachers just could see they were like, he was clearly like emotionally in pain and like a very disturbed like Right off the dog right right off the bat I almost said right off the dock because I said right off the dock my next thing was in a documentary And I was like right off the documentary. I love it. So in a documentary

I saw one of the teachers said that they looked at him and just said you don't even have a chance Oh, that's sad. Yeah a a lot of people said the same. In this documentary, they said that there was like a real stigma around the Bernie family. I mean, that's, yeah. Yeah, they said people would see them and just be like, ugh, the Bernie's. Like, they were that family.

It's like the victims. They literally were. It's like the victims of Australia. Oh, man. Yeah. He started committing petty crimes at the age of eight. What the fuck? That's like when people were like smoke weed for the first time at like eight years all year. It's just like how though? Like, who do you have ties with at eight years old? That's

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Oh, hell! Yeah, he repeated grades five and seven, and his mother of course later blamed his teachers, saying they held him back intentionally, for they were holding back his educational development. Yeah, it's like, you know, teachers love that. I think it was you, you fucking monster. Right.

So Catherine Bernie. Catherine Bernie was born Catherine Margaret Harrison. Oh, that's weird. Is it that I was gonna say, isn't that interesting? Her middle name is Margaret. That is a little weird. She was born, because she's like,

she's even even worse monster. So that's good. She's worse than him. Oh, she's worse than his mother. Oh, but, you know, on a different level. Gotcha. So she was born May 23rd, 1951 in Perth. Her mother died during childbirth when she was only two years old.

Oh, that's sad. She was having her little brother, and her little brother died only a few days after that. Oh, stop. So that's rough. She moved with her father, Harold, to South Africa for a little while. Oh, shit. But he was not able to care for her. Some of the things I saw said he was abusive.

Some said he just, what, didn't want to take care of her? Or put it take care of her. So either way, not a good situation. No. So he was sent back to Australia to Perth to live with her maternal grandparents. OK. Now, unfortunately, they were super crazy. Super strict. Oh.

She wasn't allowed to play with other kids and no kids were allowed in the house. That's weird. She of course became like super, you know, socially behind her peers. Yeah. She was teased. She gave off like weird vibes.

She was just like a weird kid. Oh. She gave off a vibe that other parents really didn't want their children around. So other parents were like, yeah, you can't play with her. That's like really sad though, because like it from the sounds of it. She hadn't done anything. Yeah, she was a kid and it's not her fault. We feel bad for the kid, but not the adult.

So and this thing was like her grandparents would take care of her, but then they'd pass her off to another family member for a while, then back to them. So she never had a stable hold. She was always passed off to somebody, and And then her father is just like in and out being like, yeah, I'll talk to you. No, I won't talk to you. And then at 10 years old, her father was like, you know what, I'm ready to give it a go.

At 10. At 10 years old. So for 10 years, she's been, you know, just like father's pulling or pushing or pushing or family members are shoving her around. And she's just like, I don't belong anywhere. Nobody really wants me. Like I'm just in, and I don't,

it makes me want to cry. And also I don't have any friends. She had no one. She's just in herself. So she did move back in with her father, Harold. And it seemed to be going all right when she moved back in with them in Perth. Okay.

So at 12 years old, now David and Catherine both were the same age. They turned 12 within like months of each other. Okay. At 12, David moved to Perth with his family and moved next door to Catherine. Oh shit. Well, I saw that like I was excited.

You're like, oh, I was like, a meat cube. You're like, I think they're gonna meet. Oh my gosh. I think something's gonna happen here. Meanwhile, I'm like, wait, I don't want them to meet. Why did I just say like, oh yeah. The world, like lid on fire, the moment that they met. Like the devil was just walled.

This was a not, this was a match made in hell. So she was so desperate to have friends though. Yeah. That when he showed any kind of vested interest in hanging out with her, she was like, I love him. Yeah. Like he's amazing. And he did, like, he really liked her. Right.

So they, like, dated for a little bit, like, a 12-year-old date. I don't want to like this. I know it's in this terrible. I'm like, cute in the middle. Don't worry. No, don't worry. Don't you worry. Because right now, feel it.

Oh, feel it. Okay. Marinate in it, because for a little bit, the little bit, you're gonna be like, die. Like, yeah, it's gonna be really quick. Ah. So they dated for a little bit. Her father gonna be like, die. Well, like, yeah, it's gonna be really quick. So they dated for a little bit. Her father, Harold, hated David,

hated him, thought he was bad news, like bad news bears. He was like, he's already getting into trouble. I mean, when he was eight. Yeah, like at this point, he already had like a rap sheet at 12, like he had already been in trouble with the police a lot. It's bananas. And he was starting to get Catherine into trouble,

like take him on these little excursions. So she's getting in trouble now. I don't blame her dad. So weirdly though, David's mom, who we should totally believe, because she's awesome. Oh yeah, for sure. She claimed she was like,

no, all the parents knew each other. David's like us and Catherine's parents. We knew each other. They said some of them had worked together like previously in the laundry room at the Perth hospital. And they all thought David and Catherine would marry someday because they knew each other. I think she's a bullshitter because they met at 12. Right. Like that is a thing. And also like Harold's like no I fucking hate it David. Like I didn't want them to get married.

So I think she's just trying to be like, I'm a good mom and I always wanted my kid to marry that sweet little calfer. And exactly, which brings us right to the next point of the story, which David's parents divorced, like a soon after they moved to Perth. Yeah. And neither of the parents wanted any of the kids. So they all just

became boards of the state. So they divorced and then they said to like, Hey, Judge, I don't, I don't want. Yeah, they literally got divorced and they were like, we don't really want them anyways. And the judge was like, cool. So they all have to go to different foster homes. So they all got split up to five siblings. That's got wrench. Is that perfect? I hate what like you hear about siblings being split up in foster care. It's horrific. I Is that not perfect? I hate wouldn't like you hear about siblings being split up in foster care. It's terrific. I don't understand why that's allowed. I don't think it should be. I don't get that. I don't get that at all. No. It's so unhealthy for development. Like so detrimental. I mean foster care in a way is a trauma that a kid is being taken away from their parents,

regardless of who the parents were. How it went down. And it's like if they have a sibling, that might be their only lifeline. Like literally. They've got to give them that. It's so sad. But in this case, I think it was just like, man, like we don't, neither one of us want them.

So. Remember when my mom used to tell me that she was gonna drive me to foster care? Like it was a building. Literally. I remember that. Like we would fight and she'd be like, that's it.

You get out from school foster care And I'd be like tell me all right. I was like what sounds good friend. That's so fun. Oh, yeah development Drama drama drama we're to see we were connected it right Yeah, I gave you a little piece everybody's like what's wrong with Ash's mom? I'm like that's what's wrong We're that's just what there what's wrong with She's mom and your sister, that right there. She wanted to drive you to foster care on multiple occasions. She wanted to drive her to the building, which I don't think her care.

It's just a building that's as foster care here. Yeah, no. No, no. Well, either way, David and Catherine lost contact after this because he got moved to another family. And all the five kids got separated. Yeah, they all got separated. Oh.

And a lot of them didn't speak again. There was a couple, I think, him, we'll see. Him and his younger brother do get in contact, which is, we don't want that, I feel. Because I don't think these, you know, at least these two didn't turn out so great. Oh. So when David was 15, he left school

because he was just not, not attending anyways. And he started working as an apprentice jockey for Eric Parnum at Ascot Race Course. Okay. So he's taking care of the horses, he's helping the jockeys. I don't want him to be near the horses, please. You don't know.

Because I'm not gonna say anything like what happened, but he did hurt the horses. Yeah, I don't want that. The other apprentice jockeys thought he was an asshole, and they thought he was weird as fuck. Like some of the documentaries are like, dude, it was like, never smiled. It was always nasty and mean.

He treated the horses. He had even hired. Yeah, like he treated the horses poorly. And then they said he would sometimes, like he became kind of like an exhibitionist. Don't fuck me up. He would sometimes ride up on his bike to like near the race course in just a jacket

and he would be wearing nothing underneath. What the fuck, why though? Yeah, why sir? That's his thing. Did he like bring pants in his bag to change it? No. He just wanted a flash everybody. Oh, ready.

And then while working there, he intentionally hurt three horses. I don't want to know that. I'm not going to tell you anything about it, but he was able to stay for free while he was working there in a boarding house owned like partially by the stables. And in 1966, he broke into a 70-year-old woman's home who was his landlady. Stop. And was naked wearing only a stocking on his head.

What the fuck? Oh, David, what is wrong with you? He tried to rape her. A 70 year old woman. Yep. And then got scared away. And he's like 15 at this point. Yeah.

He was like 16, I think. What the fuck? And yeah, then luckily he got scared away before he could do anything, but that's when he was let go from the racetrack. That's, it goes without saying, I guess. Yeah, his boss talked to Indies Paper and said, quote, he was a bad kid.

He had a shocking home life. He had no chance at all. Oh. So, another no chance. He's a bad kid, but he had no chance. Well, and I feel like I'm becoming anything different. The people at the stable, I said earlier, like, oh, how did you get hired?

But they probably felt bad and they wanted to give them a place to stay. I think they just wanted to give them a chance like they were like maybe we can turn his life because some people just need that right even with the trauma they have. Yeah give somebody a chance. Maybe they just need that like routine and that responsibility. But it was well known at this point too that he had become like addicted to porn. Well yeah he's doing weird things. He had some like sexual deviences, like shit was going down. He was also like ever perverted,

like would be rapist. Like he's attempted to rape somebody. He was getting into a ton of trouble with the police at this point, tons of shit. Yeah. That's when Catherine and David remet. Oh, goodie. Yeah, they came back into contact

and they fell in love again as teens. Was it love? At this point, he had been out of prison a couple of times. Uh-huh. He had a rap sheet for assault, burglary, robbery, all kinds of like petty crimes and she was just enamored, smitten, smitten by this guy. So David and Catherine start to commit crimes together because he thinks this is gonna be like really hot. And what is she, letitten by this guy. So David and Catherine start to commit crimes together

because he thinks this is gonna be like really hot. And what is she, let's commit this together. Trying to Bonnie and climb it up. Yeah, let's natural born killers this. It's gonna be great. No. They, their first crime happened on June 11th, 1969. And they were trying to steal a safe

from a local drive-in movie theater. What the fuck? And they were ended up being arrested and charged with 11 counts of theft and breaking and entering. Whoa. They both pleaded guilty. And David was sentenced to nine months in prison.

And Catherine got a little less of a sentence because she was currently pregnant at the time? Oh no! With another man's baby. Oh. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Okay a lot going on So they actually went up in front of the Supreme Court and their sentences were actually Increased when they went in front of the Supreme Court. David got three more years on his sentence of six of nine months Oh, damn and Catherine got probation and it was actually increased by four years. Her probation.

I love that they were like, appeal. Appeal. The judge was like, no. So June 21st, 1970, David actually escaped prison. And where did he go? You know, I felt that. I felt like we were headed that way. Of course.

And where did he go? To Catherine. Went straight to Catherine Because they love each other. Love. And they went on a crime spree together. Bonnie and Clyde type, you know. Home invasions, burglaries, robbing people, like all that fun stuff. It's like if you're gonna escape jail, why not lay low? No, they're not gonna do that. They're going for it. They're natural born killers. I hope you know that. I hate it. They went in front of the court again in July of 1970.

And this was after their crime spree. And when they were caught, they were charged with 53 counts of trespassing, illegal operation of a motor vehicle, burglary, robbery, all kinds of stuff. Jesus. And when they caught them, they had weird shit with them, disguises. They also had dynamite with them, so I don't know what they were planning to do with that.

What? Yeah. And David was sentenced to two and a half months in prison for having dynamite on them. Yeah. Where does one purchase a dynamite? Yeah, I have no idea. I always thought it was just like a tick tick tick tick

boom dynamite. Like that's all I thought of dynamite. It is. Maybe when you go pick it up you have to be like tick tick tick boom dynamite. We have one of those. We have one of those. Here you go.

Wow. The dynamite store. That's where you go. Dynamites are us. I feel like it would be at Costco personally. It's like the pool place. The dynamite store. That's where you go. Dynamites are us. I feel like it would be at Costco, personally. It's like the pool place. The dynamite den. I love it. I love it.

Here for you go. Well, Katherine got six months in prison, and she had the baby well in prison. That stresses me out a lot. The baby was taken away right away. That's what makes me really happy. She also, she wasn't allowed any contact with David at the time, no writing letters, nothing. Wow. They cut it right off. Damn, they even let Ira, Ira, Ira, Ira.

Ira, Ira. Oh yeah, well, they do later, so don't worry. But either way, she was still obsessed with David, obsessed. She even said at this time, I would do anything for him regardless of whether it was wrong or not. Wow. But it's like, I mean, I'm not okay in her behavior, but it's like, this is the only person who's ever shown her any kind of love or affection, so it does make sense. Yeah, she just attached herself to him.

And then they did convince her while she was in prison, I guess some of the, you know, parole officers and guards and all that, like people around her, were like, listen, you need to stop talking to him and like get your shit together. You have a chance. Like you're in here because you attached yourself to him. Right, it's not even anything that you did. So when she got out of prison, the parole officer,

they did give her, she did get custody back of her baby that she had. And they were able to convince her to go get a job, stay away from David, so she did. She became a housekeeper for the McLaughlin family. Okay. And she had custody of her baby, seemed to be going, okay, she's only 20 years old at this point. Oh man.

A rough go to see the least. So while she was there, she actually ended up falling in love with one of the children who was actually an older. Oh, I was like, what was that? He was an actual child, but like one of the family's children. Sure. The oldest son named Donald. And they ended up getting married that year on her 21st birthday.

The end. And she had a baby with him named Donald Jr. Okay. Yeah. So when the baby was seven months old though, they had some friends over. They let the baby crawl around on the yard and on the driveway. And trigger warning. I'm going to give you a second.

Somebody backed out of the driveway and ran over the seven month old and killed them. How does that even happen? Yeah, I don't know. Here I am, I don't understand why you're letting your baby crawl around on the driveway when cars are moving. I don't get that. No, just ended up let your baby crawl around on the driveway.

I mean, I know. That's dirty and unsafe. Not something I would do. Baby skin is so like so so delicate so devastating But somehow they moved past it they were able to get through it and they had six more kids together What the fuck I was not expecting us to go there. Six more kids. This woman has six kids. Damn, well seven, right? Yeah, technically seven, yeah.

Yeah, you're right, the baby in prison. Yeah. So Donald was actually in and out of jobs, but they seemed pretty chill and pretty happy together. Was he like a, okay dude? I think he was like a pretty decent dude, but they were living paycheck to paycheck. They were struggling financially.

Yeah. Uh, the only issue was that she didn't seem to like being a mom. Well, maybe she shouldn't have had six children because like we just said, did it take like, did you hit the sixth kid and you were like, I don't think I want that. I don't know if I love this. Right. I don't know.

Let's try it one more time. Let's, let's try that seventh and see if it really like kicks in. Like if it's not kicking in by the first kid, you don't, you don't know, let's try it one more time. Let's try that seventh and see if it really kicks in. Like if it's not kicking in by the first kid, you don't want it. It's like seven kids in, and you're like, I don't really like this. I want kids so bad, I can't imagine, like it's fine if you don't want kids,

but I can't imagine having a kid and not wanting it. Oh yeah, just knowing like the three years it took us to have the twins. Yeah. And all the, you know, the IUIs, the IVFs that we went through just to have them. Literally. How badly we wanted them. Yeah.

It's like hearing this kind of shit makes you so much. Oh my. I asked that she's like, I'm just gonna keep popping out kids, but I don't really like them. Right. And she just let them like run wild, didn't give a shit. Like, so fucking nuts. Never took care of them. And she didn't really care about keeping her house clean either it was just like filthy and

disgusting kind of like the host David grew up in yeah and yeah she just she was just letting them run around the neighborhood she never knew where they were didn't care then Donald hurt his back and couldn't work anymore so they had to move to an even smaller house with six children. Yeah. And it's, I think it's called council housing there. And it was not a great situation. So there was too many kids in that house. It was a mess. She wasn't happy. I think Donald was trying to do what he could do. But, you know, it was just like disaster. So then David gets out of prison for the second time. Oh, yeah. And he gets out of prison and he doesn't go straight for Catherine.

Because remember, they have not had contact allegedly. Some people think they have had contact, like part of this time. I can't imagine they went in how many years without contact. I know. That's the thing. But when he got out of prison, he met a woman named Carrie through his brother. Apparently she knew his brother. They went out and literally the next night he proposed to her and she was like, yes, that sounds very rational.

Let's do it. They got married. That sounds a great reaction. Yes, that sounds very rational. I think this will turn out great. Yes, I know you so well. Yes, she's like, I don't know you. Fun.

What is your last name? Your last name's Bernie heaven heard of it. Let's do this. So they got married. Oh, right. Him and Carrie. All these choices. They did have a baby together.

I think I was gonna chill out with the babies. I'm not gonna say her name, even though it is in like articles and stuff. I don't know. She just, she doesn't really deserve to be attached to this. Yeah. And by all accounts, he was a great father to this baby. According to her, according to everybody, she said he loved her, took care of her.

They were married for six years and they were happy for six years. All right. And according to the ex-wife and everything, she was like, we, it was fine. That's just very interesting. I know. And then he got a head injury. Oh, really? And he completely flipped his lid. He was suddenly out of nowhere, treating carry like shit, cheating on her all the time. But even then, the daughter says he never abused her. Huh. Never. She was like, I don't. In fact, later, and I have like a quote from her,

she says later, like, I have so much trouble reconciling what he's done with who I knew. Yeah. Which I feel like can't imagine. Yeah, and I feel like it's like BTK's daughter, Kerry. I was on the tip of my tongue. Yeah. I was just about to say that. She'll say it. Like, she, it must be so hard to process. Yeah. That this man who maybe they're not the most perfect father in the world who is, but it's like, they're not like a terrible father to you. You have good memories with that. Yeah.

And you have no inkling that this is going on. And they didn't do anything to you. They didn't hurt you, they didn't abuse you, they didn't hate you, they didn't do. And then you have to reconcile that they are this absolute monster outside of this. Because it's like you have to decide

whether you're gonna have a relationship with them or not based on something that happened to like so many other people. Exactly. Technically didn't involve you. And you get all this judgment on you, like you had something to do with it. And it's like, no.

Yeah, like that's your father. And that murderers have nothing to do with it. And it's like they shouldn't be expected to try to sit there and and it's like, no. Yeah, like that's your father. That murderers have nothing to do with it. And it's like, they shouldn't be expected to try to sit there and psychoanalyze what was going on. With their parents, they shouldn't have to sit here and explain anything to anybody. No. Like they, they're their own a different kind of victim.

They're a different kind of victim of that person. Absolutely. That just sucks. It does. Like it's crazy. So yeah, I feel like she, she's dealing with the same kind of thing person. Absolutely. That just sucks. It does. Like, it's crazy. So yeah, I feel like she's dealing with the same kind of thing now. But yeah, he started cheating on Carrie though constantly. That was his new, because remember, he's addicted to porn and so I forgot. So that always was a thing. Yeah. But now it's becoming

a real thing. Well, and it seems like the head injury kind of almost really exasperated his. It's like prison knocked sense into him and then headed to retreat. And knocked it out. Yeah, so he started actually advertising for affairs in the paper, which Carrie didn't know about, obviously, at that time. But that's like Ashley Madison before Ashley Madison. Literally.

It was like OG Ashley Madison. Yeah. So four years after the injury, he, you know, for four years, I'm surprised she stuck with him for this long. This is like 10 years of marriage. She's dealing with the first six years being alright and the last four years being horrendous. And she finally it came to a head because he came home one day. And he was like, here's my 16 year old girlfriend. I'd be like, why the fuck is, like, why the fuck?

And then he moves his daughter out of her room and into the room with his wife. And it's like, you, that's your bedroom now with your mom. This is my bedroom with my 16 year old girlfriend now. And Carrie said what? And Carrie was like, no sir. And she left and was like, Oh, bye.

Good, because I was like her daughter. What? And was like, no, no, bye bye. That was it. That's when she had enough, yeah. That poor child too. It was probably just like, what, what dad? Because at that point, she's like, excuse me.

You can't have a girlfriend. And definitely not one that's a minor. And you can't take my bedroom. Like what the hell. So David finally, so now his wife and his daughter have left. David then is like time to find Catherine

Time to find Catherine the one that got away things are are going great So I think we should really yeah put the whipped cream on the Sunday and go grab Catherine He's like you know who will fuck things up to the extreme with me Catherine cat. She's the one I gotta get. Yeah. But you came by the way, like when you look at them together, you're like, wow, I have rarely have I seen too gnarly or looking human beings who have found each other. Like they are both just miserable looking. Like crotchety miserable just like.

Oh, yeah, golly. They both have hollowed out eyes and just like dead eyed, frowny faced, demon faces, really is what they have. Yeah, his nose is a lot and her vibe is a lot. Both of their vibes, just if I saw them, I'd be like, no, thank you. Oh, especially this pic, like no thanks. Yeah, I'm telling you, go look it up, guys.

There's a pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty. I mean, we'll post a photo, but woof. Younger her is terrifying. Yeah, it's no good. Now, so David tracks down the love of his life there. Here they go again on their own. Did he ditch the 16 year old? Yeah, he ditches the 16 year old, apparently. That was not made to lot. Not built to last, apparently. No. Now, this is four weeks after Catherine has had her seventh child. Whoa. Yep. With barely recovered. Yep, this is four weeks after Catherine has had her seventh child. Whoa. Yep, but fairly recovered. Yep, she was actually in the hospital

having a hysterectomy. That's good. When David cuts her down. At least there's that. Exactly, and at one point, her husband, Donald, was coming to visit her in the hospital, and David was there holding her hand.

And he just walked in on that, like, with a fucking whistly. on that like what you guys want to talk what What's going on? Hello. Hey there. Hi. My name is Donald. Are you her cousin? What's your name? What's going on? Your nose like that? What why do you look so angry? Who are you? Are you angry sir? You're vibe. No off. Okay, but yeah, so she, so she, apparently Donald was like, that's weird and just like went about his life. And she got out of the hospital and then she immediately went to visit David. Lee. And while she was there, she was like, you know what, this is, this is the life I want. This is it right here. This disgusting life with this horrible man is what I want. So she said, she calls her husband Donald and she's like, hey, Donnie,

I'm gonna leave you and all the kids. I don't give a shit about any of you. What? All seven kids. All yours. That's like sociopathic type shit. Don't want anything to do with them. Her youngest was three, by the way.

Wow. And the baby. I was like, but what? The end of the baby. She had a fucking new, she had left a newborn and a three-year-old. Yeah. Who knows how old the other ones were? Like, probably so young.

When you, when you say someone can be called a cunt, Catherine. Oh, absolutely. Can be called a cunt. And so can David. Yeah. And for that matter, two cunts. Yeah, because he's just like, oh, cool, I'm gonna abandon my child too, and you abandon yours and we'll get together.

Like fun. So they moved in together, because they were like, oh cool, we're gonna start a new life. We don't have kids. So did the, did Donald Jr. take her first child too? Cause the first child wasn't even his. She left him too.

Yeah. And so they moved in together, David and Catherine at the house, son more house. She immediately changed her last name to Bernie, but they were never married. Oh. She just changed it to that.

All righty. Yeah, because she's not. She's her. Yep. And she just wanted to seem like they were married, you know? Okay. So we're married. All righty.

I'm Catherine Bernie. I mean, she legally bound herself to him when she was like 12. So that's true mean, she legally bound herself to him when she was like 12, so that's true. And she legally bound herself to him when she was like, I'm gonna abandon my small village of children. Literally. Literally. And I just love that they were both like,

oh cool, we don't have kids. We're childless people. And it's like no between you, you have more children than I've seen on any given day. It's like nine different. So it's like you between you, you have more children than I've seen on any given day. It's like nine different. So it's like you, that's insane. That you just decided you're just childless now. Yeah, like she originally had eight children.

Even though you have very much had children. All of you. Yeah, like, no, yeah. So of course, their house was like really clean, really organized, like really, I'm totally kidding. I was like, what? There you go. I was like, what? You did it. I was like, what? I was like, how did they just change their pathology?

Oh, there it is. Their house was an absolute cesspool of like shit. I don't understand it. I don't, I don't get it. They lived, discussed it. Like, they picked in style. Like, they weren't. Disgusting and dirty, just like they were.

Like, they're disgusting and dirty. Last night, I baked a shit ton for Mother's Day, like coming up and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna leave those pens on the sink like I just, I can't right now. And then I took a shower and I went back out and I was like, I can't leave those pens in the sink away. No, I can't go to sleep with pens in the sink.

I can't. I can't. And luckily neither can John, so we're both crazy that way. So there will never be dishes in our sink all night. I love that. And it's, I can't imagine just leaving. And it's like filthy, like dirty. And so they spent their time there doing heroin and pills and chain smoking and smoking weed and just like, you know, just doing their thing to their their degenerate thing.

They're childless now. They don't have to worry about anything. They just throw and shit on the floor. This is so sad. Yeah. David got a job as a car part salesman and it was close to his house where he was working. He was in and out of prison still.

He was still doing all this shit. Oh, yeah. I could imagine. And during one of his small prison stints, he was in the cell with some guy he knew. His little brother, James. Oh, yeah. He ended up being in the same cell as him

and they were like, oh my God. Wow. They were like, yeah. And they had seen each other for a while, so they were like, oh my God, we're both getting out of here soon. And Dave was like, cool, you should move in with us. Like you can stay with us for a little while

while you're get back on your feet. That sounds like a really good idea. So nice, like so nice of a brother, man. Dinner house, it's beautiful. There's a housekeeper. Yeah. Catherine Cook's dinner every night. She's an amazing chef.

Yep, and he was like, you know what, you're probably a good guy because James was in prison for sexually assaulting his six-year-old niece. So I don't need you. I don't want them. Yep. And when asked about it, he said, she led me on. Six. Yep.

Six. These are the burnies. I just physically got nauseous. Yeah, I literally like had to stop myself from heaving when I saw that. But what the fuck is wrong with people that you can't even begin to unpack that? No, never. I never want to. Never in my life would have been easier to understand that.

Yeah, an island. Let's get an island. Let's throw all of them on the island. Missfit. And they'll all just die out eventually. I think we should do that. I'm not even kidding. I would happily be like, let's put all pedophiles on an island

6,000 good-gillion percent. I'll never waver out of that stance No, I deserve to rot on an island. You have children. Yeah, fuck those people. Yeah, so he was sleeping on their couch So already this house is just getting warmer and warmer by the day. We're just straight up nasty This house is a very very very bad house. This house is leaking oozee sess pool. Yeah you walk by it and it like I guarantee you walked by this house on Morehouse Road and you were like why does it glow green? Like why? No it was literally monster house. Yeah it's just like what's what's happening in there? All of a sudden you're walking and it's like sunny but like there's like like a cloud in its brain over their house.

It's just like hailing over there. And you just hear like the jaws theme song as you approach the house. You're just like, what's happening in there? Yeah, it's no good. So James is sleeping on their couch and he quickly learned more and more about his brother. Because now he's obviously, you know,

involved fucked up sexually. And now he's, he's learning his brother also is. He's addicted to porn and sex, and he's very aggressive about it. And that's a bond over this. He had a huge collection of porn around the house. That was just like strewn around the house. Because he's fine.

He doesn't have kids or anything. He's throwing anywhere. And Catherine's like, this is so cute. I love it. And he needed to have sex five to six times a day. That's hilarious. Hello. In safety.

I think I would physically die. Boss. I should like. No, that's a no. That's a lot. No, that's a lot Fuck and this is one of those things where like it's not like no I want to have sex five or six times a day like I physically need to and I'm gonna lose my shit

How old is he at this point? That's the other thing. He's like kind of yeah He's on his like late or I think early 30s at this point, or late 20s early 30s. So that's pretty surprising. Yeah, I mean, this is what it is. He's addicted to porn and sex. And that's why he had all those weird proclivities where he would wanna dress in a jacket and just, and you were like, what are you gonna do?

I was like, there's more. There's more. No, I mean, there is. But he would dress in like just a jacket. And it's like ride around to like an exhibition as shit. So he'd feel the breeze on your booty. And you know, there was those rumors growing up in that, in that Bernie Household of like incest

and like fucked up shit having. I know there was also rumors that like his mom would, you know, get a taxi to take, you know, to go to the store and she would just like, fuck the taxi driver for like payment in the house, like in front of the kids. So there's a lot of really messed up, messed up ideas of sex that happened in that house I imagine.

Absolutely. That manifest itself in these children here. Oh, come on. Because I mean, look at James, look at him. Yeah, yeah. They're both, yeah. That doesn't just come out of nowhere. That's, there's some deep psychological. these children here. Oh, come on. Because I mean, look at James, look at him. Yeah, yeah. They're both, yeah. That doesn't just come out of nowhere.

That's, there's some deep psychological issues. That's a learned behavior, which is by no means like an excuse for them, but this is definitely something that was planted early on in their development for sure, because it's too extreme not to be. This is not just, and for one family to have this. Yeah, that's the thing that's all the rumors and like knowing how those parents were. It's just like no good. So yeah, he needed to have sex five or six times a day. And he kept a small mattress in the living room like next to the couch where James

was sleeping. Stop this. For him to have sex with random women on. In Catherine, did they have like an open relationship? Well, because I guess he would have, he started with Catherine and then they broke up for like a brief period of time. Oh, okay. And he would also just bring girls in because he was like, no, I need to have sex six times a day. And if you're not around, I'm going to find someone who is. Oh, right. That's how intense he was. And also, James said that he noticed that he would use a numbing spray on his like, hoo ha, before sex. And it was an end, like, it was basically that, like a numbing spray so that he could last longer. Cause it would make it like, you can't feel anything. That's what numbing gets.

Numbing. You know, I think it's cause I was just like, please do it. You were like, I was like, I was just processing it. You're like numbing. I was like, you don't feel it. Like numbing makes, like they do that, so you can't feelbing. I was like, you don't feel it.

Like numbing makes, like they do that, so you can't feel stuff. I was like, I got it. You were like, no, I don't. That was great. But yeah, you're just like, and so he was really, you know, this episode is hard. He's truly something so far.

It's really something and he went hard. He went hard. I don't want you to say the word hard again, please. Yeah, that was a portrait, so more of a church for that. But yeah, so, you know, we're here. We're here. We're here. We're in it This is this episode is squalor regardless squalor. It's filthy. It's it's his umpteenth house. That's what this episode is I am nausea at this point. So we haven't even gotten into like the anything about the Crimes. This is just who they are as people. Oh, yeah, yeah

So then you know, Catherine and him got back together. They got back on the regular bullshit. But what's the bad? Mattress still there. Mattress was still there. Oh, they're ready to go. Oh, it's so stinky. Yeah. And so for his 20, so for his, I almost said his sons, his brother's 21st birthday, he said, hey, James, come here.

No. And James was like, what? And he was like, do you want to have sex with Catherine? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, noana, how she was like, do you want my sister? I can just pretend to be her first. I can just give you that. Like this is, no one has any autonomy, like besides them, like, Catherine's just like, would you like her? One honestly, like that's weirdly incestual. It is, like this weird show happening, you know?

So that was actually the first time that James had had sex with a girl, was with Catherine. And at one point, David went had had sex with a girl, was with Catherine. Oh. And at one point, David went without sex for like a night, like a whole day and a night. So he was insane, like literally like James was like, he was off his rocker, and he was begging James to just let him have sex with him. That's how like, out of control he was. He wanted his brother to have sex with him.

Which in case anybody was wondering whether incest happened in that house growing up? Hello. That's your answer. That's your answer right there. Yeah. So that just shows you what was happening in this house before they even began murdering people.

Wait, so do you know if they did or not? I don't know. I don't know. I just know it was a thing. It's better to have not known. It's better to not know. It's better to just know that that's how desperate he was and how much he couldn't go without it in his own mind. Now because his sexual appetite was clearly so insatiable, like insane. Yeah, to say the least, say quickly just like became bored of having sex with each other. Catherine and David, especially more so David, like Catherine was doing what she could to keep up,

but David was like, eventually, I need more. So he was like, I'd like to just like spice things up. So David and Catherine, they talked about it and they were like, what can we do to really make things different here? And David was like, well, I've always had like this thing about like abducting and raping a woman, which is like very interesting when you're partner. You know, it's good to communicate with your partner, I think. Definitely talk about what you want, talk about what you need. But when your partner says, I've always had this fantasy of abducting and raping a woman eat yourself out of this situation. Yeah, it's time to go you know what this was fun Bye, and then leave maybe call authorities and say I don't know what's gonna happen here

But it seems like something's brewing. I don't know but Catherine was like That sounds great and not only that she was like I'd actually love to watch that Yeah, so Catherine was like, I'd actually love to watch that. Yeah. So, Catherine was like, willing, totally into it. What? Yeah. So, again, how do people found each other? I always wonder how these people find each other?

The devil. That's how it happens. So, the first thing they could think to do was put an ad in the paper to try to lure girls to their house. Why are they being so upfront about this? Yeah, they love ads in the paper to try to lure girls to their house. Why are they being so upfront about this? Yeah, they love ads in the paper too. They're like, let's just, like a paper trail. That's what we're looking for here.

And in the 70s, hi. So the ad that they put in the paper, they put an ad in the paper that said, urgent. Looking for a lonely person, prefer female 18 to 24 years, share single room flat. So they're making it like, oh, do you want to live in our house? Why do you have to be lonely to live there?

Lonely person, female 18 to 24. Just to live in our house. That's the roommate we're looking for. Luckily, I everybody who read that thought the same thing we did because they didn't get any bites off. Also, why would that be put into print? Like why was the newspaper like, you know what? I have everybody who read that thought the same thing we did because they didn't get any bites off of that. Also, why would that be put into print? Like, why was the newspaper like, you know what? Zoop! The newspaper was like, this is probably fine. This won't, no.

You know that whoever was like typing it up that day went home to their wife or husband. I was like, get this. It was like, what the fuck? You thought that my job was boring, get this? Well, and it's like like they pay for a spot. They paid for it. I think they just have to print it. Like, yeah, yeah, they're not technically not threatening anyone.

They're not like, it's a weird one, but you just got to be like, all right, there it is. That no one answered that. The most ominous ad. Right, urgent. I hate that part. Yeah. So apparently the two of them didn't really have like a specific girl in mind or anything.

They just said you know they would like an 18 to 24 year old breath for their breath probably. I can't say that word. But they just wanted to find a girl alone. They were looking for a girl alone because they weren't getting anybody biting off of that. Yeah. Really good ad in the paper that was like super subtle.

Prema. So they were like wow that's, but that didn't work. So the first victim who did not, who ended up not being, you know, I say victim because she was like stalked, but she survived. Okay. And, but it's still like a story that is very scary. Okay. Her name was Audrey.

He would stalk her outside of her workplace at a real estate company, David Woll. He just like found her. He just saw her and he tried to get her to leave with him many times. Like, oh, I'll drive you home or no. No. And she said he came back every day for at least a week.

He was making suggestions like, I only like Brunettes with brown eyes. As soon as I was alone, he came in. And she said she was super creeped out by him right away. And this was happening for a week straight and she was like, it was escalating to the point. I was like, something bad's gonna happen. Yeah.

Now she called her husband and her husband came in and scared him away. I love it. And he never came back again, but she, I mean, it's 100% positive that that was intended to be their first victim. Absolutely. He was 100% gonna try to take her home. That's so scary.

So she got away. She wasn't lonely day-to-day. She wasn't lonely. I love their husband came in and was like, no, no. Yeah, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you. Oh yeah. So Catherine would, now, when they would like look for a person, they're little, they had a code system that they would use. Of course, very Myronian. Exactly.

Now, there's a lot of parallels to Myronian in here and like we'll see. And so Catherine would give David the go ahead that this was the person she wanted by saying, and because usually what they were thinking after this, they were like, all right, he's just stalked to someone, didn't work. Yeah. They put an ad in the paper, didn't work. We're just gonna have to pick people up

and give them rides home. Yeah. So she, they said, when we get someone in the car, if both of them are down, because David said Catherine had to approve of the person. So Catherine would say, I've got the munchies. And if David thought the person was a good match as well and was into it, he would say, quote, I've got the munchies too, darling. That's foul.

And that was how they sealed whoever's fate. Never. Never again. I hate that you ruined munchies for me. Sorry. It was a me who was Catherine and David. They ruined it. Fuck them.

So October 6, 1986. No, thank you. Mary Nielsen, 22 years old. She was a student at the University of Western Australia. She was majoring psychology. She worked part-time at Adelian, Adedale. She was like a really just like good, hardworking girl. Like doing her thing at university.

She was adorable. Like they were all so pretty. Like every girl, like they're so adorable. And all of them were like really sweet from good families, like just with like futures and life's ahead of them. Yeah, just like real futures ahead of them. Just not doing anything they shouldn't have been doing

at the time. It's like literally just living. Just living their lives, it sucks. And she met David while shopping at the spare parts yard that he worked at. She was looking for a tire. And she was like, hey at the spare parts yard that he worked at. She was looking for a tire. And he was like, hey, he pulled her aside and was like, hey, I can get you cheaper tires for your car.

Like, you just, like, here's my phone number. And you're 22. You're like, hell, yeah, brother. Exactly. You're like, yes, I was a hard time at a deli. Of course, I need a cheaper tire. If I was 22, I'd be like, awesome. I'll call ya.

Exactly. And his co-workers at this yard, by the way, said that they thought he was very smart, which a lot of people said he was smart. I think. Well, unfortunately, I feel like you would have to be to pull something out of the sauce. Yeah, I feel like he was very, like, he read on his own time

and kind of educated himself a little bit because he wasn't getting it home, obviously. So he was very well spoken to a lot of people which can trick a lot of people into thinking you're standing, which it doesn't correlate. Like very smart or very well spoken or well read does not correlate with good person and not well spoken, not well read, you know, doesn't correlate with bad person. A lot of people unfortunately do correlate the two things. So he that's a lot of people, unfortunately, do correlate the two things. So that's a lot of the reason he was able to manipulate a lot of people and charm them. And so his coworker said, yeah, he was really smart. He was so Boston.

Did I really, his coworker? Did I really, I was like, coworker? I was like, coworker. They said he was really smart, really smart. He was really normal. Wicked, smart, wicked, normal. He was a, really smart. He was really normal. Wicked, smart, wicked normal. He was a great worker. And yeah, they said he was always on time. He never missed a shift.

Like, nothing out of the ordinary. He really changed it up from the resources. He really did. He really did. And you know what it was? It's like, they said he didn't stand out. He didn't fade into the back. He probably, he didn't stand out.

But he probably learned how to blend it. Exactly, because they were like, he was there. He probably... He didn't stand out. But he probably learned how to blend it. Exactly, because he had to. They were like, he was there. He was never late, so we never had to think about him much. Right. He did his job. Yup. He talked to us. Yup. And that was it.

I wouldn't sit there and say, I want to hang out with him every night. I wouldn't say, I don't. Yeah. He's there. He's there. Yeah. David. Oh, that's my coworker, David. No big deal. Yeah. Which is interesting, because I feel like a lot of these people either are shit at their jobs or they go above and beyond

and are like, oh, he was my favorite worker. And I can't. And it's like, he really just, he was in the middle. Which is interesting. I don't think a lot of them really do that. Wait, I just realized that not once have I said, oh, David. Oh, David, oh my God.

How have I not said that? Wow, what a missed opportunity for both of us. I know, but I'm gonna really up the ante in part two, probably. Ew, David. Ew, David. David, I'm so good at it. Do you wanna watch me do the entire

a little bit of Lexus Dance later? Uh, I think everybody listening does. So we'll put that on the Instagram. I'm a Lamborghini. Oh, that's a star. If you haven't watched it, it's great to do it. You have to. So poor Mary, let's go back to Mary.

Yes. Her parents were out of town, and she didn't have somebody that, you know, normally she would probably call her parents and be like, hey, can you pay for these tires or like help me out. Yeah. And they were like, we would have, like she knows we would have, but they were out of town. And she's just, well, and she's probably like, oh, you know what, they're gone. I want to do this myself when they come home.

Yeah. They'll be so impressed that I did this. Exactly. She's like, you know what, I'm going to get this done. Yeah. And she's like, what luck that he's going to do this for me. So she called him because he gave her a number and he was like, cool, come to my house. No.

And I'll give you, you know, we can do the tire thing. He's like, we just can't do it there because, you know, they want to charge you a lot and I don't want them to my house. No. And I'll give you, you know, we can do the tire thing. He's like, we just can't do it there because, you know, they want to charge you a lot and I don't want them to know that. Which honestly, I like, now, obviously, I wouldn't just based on the job that we have. But younger, you can get why she would be better. Absolutely.

Yeah. So on October 6th, she went to his house to pick them up. David answered the door as soon as she got there and he immediately held her at gunpoint. Oh, immediately. Pulled her right in the house. Now, they immediately, Catherine was there. They immediately chained her to the bed in the bedroom.

David raped her as Catherine watched. Catherine apparently did like research before they did this because she wanted to know exactly what they were doing Like exactly how to make this is like Undercover as possible she wanted to make sure they didn't leave any like evidence They want she was like all about this and then she took the time while he was raping her to take notes On what he liked and what he didn't like What yep the how in your like how in your mind you take notes on what he liked and what he didn't like.

What? Yep, the f- how in your mind, you, what? Yeah. What? And she also took pictures. No, the f- that. Now according to Katherine herself, she said this is when David was like,

um, maybe we should also kill people? Like, he was like, this is fun. Like, this is fun. Like, this is nice. But I'd really like to kill people too. Like, can we kill her? Like, saying this in front of her. Like, was literally like, do you think we should kill her? Oh my God, this poor girl.

She said he had never said he wanted to kill someone before that. He had only talked about abducting, raping. That was it. But she was like, whatever David wants, right? Well, and she just, you said she did so much research on like not leaving evidence. Exactly. When you're fricking rape someone,

there's a whole lot of evidence. So she was like, I think we should do it. Whatever David wants, David gets. Oh, this is so horrible. Yeah. So they took Mary out to Glen Eagles National Park where he raped her again and then used a handmade grot made out of a tree branch

and rope to strangle her. He then stabbed her in the chest because he read somewhere that stabbing someone speeds up decomposition. What the fuck? They like researched this before and they buried her in a very shallow grave in the forest. That's so sad. After that, they took Mary's car and left it near the police station. Yeah. Interesting. And this was apparently something that like, they read somewhere, all of the things that they did, they were like, well, I read it somewhere, they're like, you're supposed to do this.

Where the fuck are you reading this shit? And I know. Like, I understand like, speeding up decomplac that I understand there's probably sources on that, but like, leave their car near the police station. Like, exactly. And that's what they would do. They would leave the cars somewhere else. Like, they would bring them somewhere else.

So that was their first victim. It's horrific. Mary Nielsen. 22 years old. 22 years old. October 20th, only two weeks after that. October 20th, 1986, they, you know, they're like, we're in the clear. Right. No one's like finding her. It's fine. So they started looking for their next victim. Because it like, it's been two weeks. What, what are we doing here?

Right. And they'd been driving around for a couple of hours that night on October 20th. And that's when they spotted Susanna Candy. She was 15 years old. Oh my God. and that's when they spotted Susanna Candy. She was 15 years old. Oh my God. She was hitchhiking along Sterling Highway when they found her. I say hitchhiking. Some sources say she was hitchhiking.

Some say she was just walking. Oh, so I'm not sure which one is correct because there's plenty of sources on both of them. So I'll say both. She was a student at Hollywood Senior High School. She lived at home with her parents and her siblings. She lived in Nedlands. She was said to be a great student straight-A on her student, of course. Super sweet, happy personality. She's adorable. If you see her picture, she looks like a 15-year-old, like she's just cute. and just you're just like man, you're just wholesome and that sucks. And her father was actually one of the top surgeons in Western Australia.

He was very protective. He had all daughters and he was very protective of them. In fact, he didn't like that she was working. And like at all, like the restaurant she was working, He was like, I really would rather you not be working. And then he was like, if you feel like you have to work because she was like, I don't wanna be independent. Yeah. And he was like, okay, cool,

but I wanna pick you up from work and drive you home. I understand. I don't want you walking, I don't want you taking rides. So he would always do that. Now this one night, he couldn't pick her up. Oh, that poor man. Yeah, so in its litter, and I think he he couldn't pick her up. Oh, that poor man. Yeah, so in its litter, and I think he would like come walk her home. I think it was close enough that he could walk her.

He just couldn't, so she tried to get home herself. Stop. Now, of course, the Bernies see her. Offer her ride, and once she got in the car, they immediately held her at knife point and tied her hands together. They brought her back to their home where she was gagged, chained to the bed, and immediately raped by both of them. My God.

After David raped Susanna, Catherine got on and they assaulted her some more together, they decided that they weren't going to kill her right away. Because they were like, we killed, you know, Mary right away. And David was like, I'd really love to try to have like a sex slave. So they were like, yeah, let's do that. So they kept her alive for several days. I don't understand horrific that horrific. Her parents immediately reported her as missing. Obviously, but it was treated as a runaway

situation. Which is insane to me. Oh my God, it makes me so angry. How can police assume to know people's children more than they know? We say it all the time. It's beyond me when they just immediately go to run. It's like the Daniel Morkholm case. He was 13 years old.

And like his mom was like, no, he was at the bus stop to buy us Christmas gifts. Like he wasn't running away. And it's like, why not just exhaust all the resources and then go, shit, we didn't need to exhaust all those resources? Yeah. You're better off just fucking up in that sense

than going, let's not put any resources towards us and then somebody dies. Right. I feel like I would much rather be like, oh, you spent a lot of money in resources and they were or runaway, that's okay. I'd rather you do that from the other way. It just didn't compute to me, it really doesn't.

While she was there, they had her right letters to her parents and even called them on the phone. That is like a whole different level of fucked up. And she had them tell them that she ran away and just needed some space. And they probably were like, that is not the case. Well, her parents said they knew immediately

that something was wrong. And they brought the notes that they got to the police station and were like, this is not how she's on the dress. Like, this is not, she would not run away. I can tell. I know my child. Yeah. And the kids were really like, nah, it's fine. They just said, they looked at the notes

and they said nothing looks weird. Oh, are you an expert in that? And we know how she writes and how she talks and they were like, yeah, we don't see anything. Sorry. Cool that you don't, I raised her. So finally, they decided that they were going to kill her and David tried to put a nylon cord around her neck

to strangle her in the bed. But Susanna started fighting. Good. Fighting back and he was not prepared for that. Well, and he's not a very large guy. He was like thin. He's like a slight man. Yeah. And so and she was fighting back. She was like, fuck you. And it had been days which like good on her because it's like she's probably weak as hell. And she's fighting back. so what ended up happening was they forced sleeping pills down her throat. So she would calm down. When she was unconscious David like picked up the cord, handed it to Catherine and said prove that you loved me. And Catherine went okay and immediately strangled her to death with it.

Now before this, she was involved in the rape, involved in the abduction, but she did not do the murder. But now she's. Now she's officially right in there with him. Yeah. She murdered her. She murdered Susanna. Prove you love me.

That's like, prove you love me. Oh, I hate it. So they ended up taking Susanna to the same state park. They buried her in a shallow grave as well. They were apparently planning on having like a graveyard that they could go visit. Well, they're not very Myronian too though. Thank you the Moors. Yes, and it's funny that this is called the More House and they lived on Morehouse Road. Yes Whoa. Yeah, it's a little too much too much

Yes, whoa. Yeah, it's a little too much too much. Over the next couple of weeks, they sent more of the letters that they had her right to kind of keep it going that she was alive. So her parents were still getting letters from her after she shed a lot. Later, Catherine said about this murder, quote, I wanted to see how strong I was within my inner self. I didn't feel a thing. It was like I expected. I was prepared to follow him to the end of the earth and do anything to see that his desires were satisfied. She was a female. Female's hurt and destroy males. Right? I don't. I don't have anything.

What the fuck? You are also a female, ma'am. It's exactly, we say it again, it's just like my runny. It is. She was willing to do fucking anything for him, and she didn't give a shit who had to go down for it. Yeah, it is. Wow. I love that females hurt and destroy males,

and it's like, huh? Like, I don't, what? I don't personally do that, I feel. Excuse me. You're also what? You're, you, I don't know. Why didn't you say we. You're also what you're you I don't you say we What's happening like what that's and also you picked her up? She didn't want him into your life She wasn't destroying you like she wasn't destroying you

But I wonder if she was like getting jealous of these girls too well funny that you say that I feel like I keep You are you are you're killing it. I really it any time for someone who hasn't heard this case. You're doing a great job I have actually heard this case through to the end, but I didn't I didn't know I didn't know that this was it so Speaking of that, I think we're gonna end part one right here Because don't worry. We're just gonna press stop right back on you So you're gonna get part one right now. And when we come back, we are gonna talk about the next two murders that they commit.

And we are also gonna talk about a survivor tale. I love when it is a survivor. Thank you, because a survivor. And it is quite a survival. Well, and at the end of this case, I'm like, you need it. You know, actually another thing that I was gonna say, like we were putting out all the parallels to Myron Ian,

this also has a lot of parallels to Fred and Rosemary West. It does, and actually Fred and Rosemary are on the, on the docket for the next few, a couple months, I think. So, so we're gonna get to them too. I just love hitting those killer couples. I just realized that I put like all of them. I just realized. Yeah, honestly.

I did what I got like, you did the Erica, and I always forget his name. Yeah, and I did the Ken and Barbie killers, Ian and Hyrule. I'm doing the Fred and Rose very right now. I'm doing this, but yeah. I like a killer couple. I like Old Hollywood. You like murderous couples. Yeah, I like a killer couple of I like gold Hollywood

You like murderous couples. Yeah, I think it just horrifies me so much. Yeah, that two people find each other like that It's crazy and they're also it's it is interesting to look at the pathology of two people coming together and really into one So we're gonna stop there and we will pick it back up with some more murder, but we will end on hopefully a little bit of a positive note. So stay tuned, guys. And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee啊 Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download

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