Morbid - Episode 231: Catherine & David Birnie Part 2

Episode Date: May 9, 2021

David and Catherine Birnie were twelve when they met, each coming from tough home lives. Over the years they couldn’t fight their connection, and eventually became two of the worst humans walking the planet. Together they abducted, raped and killed young women across Australia without a thought. In part 2 Alaina will share the stories of the remaining victims, and one who got away!!  As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/morbid12 and use code morbid12 for twelve free meals, including free shipping! BetterHelp: This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp and Morbid: A True Crime Podcast listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid Brooklinen: Go to Brooklinen.com and use promo code MORBID to get $20 off, with a minimum purchase of $100 Gabi: Get better insurance with Gabi. It’s totally free to check and there’s no obligation. Go to Gabi.com/MORBID. Simplisafe: To learn more about how SimpliSafe can help protect you and your family, visit SIMPLISAFE.com/morbid today to customize your system and get a free security camera. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. And it's part two of Catherine and David Bernie, the worst of the worst of the worst. Accurate. They're kind of like Myraindli and Ian Brady, but like they're also their own brand of gross. Every killer couple is like the other ones,

but they all do something like slightly different and horrific. Yeah, they also, they just always brand themselves differently. They do. They just really want to carve out their own niche. Yeah, it's just a little ditch in the world. Yeah. So this is terrible. And if you live in Australia, I'm sure you're like,

oo, grow. I don't like it. Because they're like super big in Australia. This is a huge case. And it's just as a fair warning to everybody before we dive into it. It's really bad. There is rape involved. It's just a terrible case. It's just really nice. So I just want to warn you ahead of time. It's really bad. There is rape involved. It's just a terrible case. So I just want to warn you,

ahead of time, it's real bad. But in the end, there is like a little gloom of positivity. So we'll take it. Yeah, we're going to take it. So when we first, when we last left you off in part one, they had already killed their first two victims. They had already killed 22-year-old Mary Nielsen and they'd also killed 15-year-olds, Susanna Candy. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And these are two girls from great families. They're just working. They were just living their lives when the Bernays came rolling in to offer them a ride. Mary, unfortunately, just as like a quick catch-up. She was the one who went to the wrecking yard where like there was like spare parts yard where David was working.

And he was like, hey, I can give you cheaper tires. And he invited her to come get him at his place and that's where he got her. Unfortunately, Susanna was walking home from work, very close to her home. Like the one night that she was walking by herself. Yeah, the one night that her father didn't, couldn't come to to her home, like the one night that she was walking by herself. Yeah, the one night that her father couldn't come to walk her home and they picked her up. Terrible.

So, and it's only gonna get worse from here. Great. So, November 1st, 1986, which is, remember, the last time they abducted and killed someone was October 20th. So they're moving at a very quick pace. Seriously? November 1st, 31-year-old Nohlene Patterson, who lived with her mother in Bikton in Perse.

She was a former flight attendant for a private airline. She was like gorgeous, like beautiful smile. Like you look at her picture and you're just like, oh, it's just like shines. She was now working as a bar, oh sorry, I just hit my microphone, everybody, and I'm not gonna edit that out. Because we're real here.

In real time. In real time. She was now working as a bar manager at Nedlin's golf club, and had been working all day, the day she was objected. She was charismatic, intelligent, like I said, beautiful, just like a really nice person, everybody liked her.

She was everything Catherine and David were not. She was driving home from work when she ran out of gas. So she was driving her car and ran out of gas. Dude, I can't even tell you how many times that's happened to me. Oh, I know. Oh, I know. She pulled over. And this is when Catherine and David pulled over because they saw her just to help. And they offered her a ride. Now, she kind of knew them. The little bit. That always happens.

That happened in the Myra and Ian case as well. Yes. She at least recognized them because apparently they had helped her wallpaper room in her home that she shared with her mother before. That's very random. And I don't know if they were just doing like odd jobs or whatever, but I'm assuming that's where David took a liking to her.

She got in a knife was immediately held to her throat, which must have been even more shocking because she knew these people. She knew them. She's exhausted from working all day and her car just ran on it like yeah, like what a day. She was immediately taken to their home. She was bound and gagged and immediately raped by David. Catherine got jealous immediately of her because she could sense that David was very attracted to her. David took a very big liking to her. Now usually, remember, they killed their first victim, Mary. They killed her right away.

Susanna, they held on to for a couple of days and tortured, raped, assaulted her, and then killed her right away. Susanna, they held on to for a couple of days and tortured, raped, assaulted her, and then killed her. David was pretty set on keeping Nolene around for a long time. And that was bothering Catherine. Well, because he wanted to sex lady. Exactly. And she was fine with that.

She was fine with that until he showed that he was genuinely attracted to someone. I think that's when it like, like, because he started treating her a little differently. That's kind of like what happened in the Colleen stand case. Exactly. Exactly. And so, also, Nolene was very smart, very quick-witted, and she was like, you know what? I'm going to do everything I can to survive here.

How do you like to do that? She was like, clearly something is bad is gonna happen here. Something bad has already happened, but I gotta get out of here. But she was, so she decided that she was going to act like she was having fun. She was gonna act like this is fine, which must have been smart,

but I can't imagine feigning that. The hardest thing ever. So she was trying to act like, yes, sure, I'll do whatever you want this is fine This is great like I've actually wanted this and David was loving it He's loving that she's showing what he wanted to so he was forming kind of like a little relationship with her He was like in his mind. I liked her. Yeah, and Catherine was getting angry or an angrier Oh, yeah, and she's getting more and more jealous

She actually tried to hurt her when he was like out of the room, but David caught her and stopped her. Wow. And that probably just made her even angry. I was going to say just ignited a rage in her. So after three days of keeping her, Oh my God. Catherine finally got to the boiling point of being so upset,

so jealous, she brought a knife into the room, held it to her own throat, and told David, you either kill her or I'm going to kill myself right now. Oh my goodness. And so David was like, okay, and he forced sleeping pills down Noleans throat and then killed her. Oh my goodness. They brought her to the same state park, killed her. They buried her in a shallow grave in the forest. Now while they were burying her,

Catherine was cursing at her, throwing dirt at her, and she actually said later that she took pride in throwing sand in her face while David was burying her. That is a different level of fucked up. Oh yeah, and she weighed until I talk about later when they discover the bodies, what she does again. Her jealousy for Nolene was so deep, it was unreal. Now, November 5th, 1986, November 5th, four days later. Yeah. This is literally four days after they took Nolene, and this is like a day after they've buried her. Right, so this is we're getting frenzied. Now, this one is rough. This one was 21-year-old Denise Brown. She lived in a house with her boyfriend and another couple.

She was working as a part-time computer operator and babysitter. On the night they abducted her, she was just trying to come home from a night out. She was at like a bar. Yeah. And she was just trying to come home. She was waiting for the bus at a bus stop.

She met David and Catherine who pulled up and they offered her a ride. She got in there and said, go home. The bus she just wanted to go home. Now they brought her home. They did the exact same thing to get her into the house. They also made her call and send letters to her friends and family saying she was okay. Her boyfriend and the people, like all her friends were like, no, something is off here. Like her boyfriend was like, no, she wouldn't just like run away without telling me. And after two days of staying in that house, they forced sleeping pills down her throat. They raped her, assaulted her, the whole gamut.

That place was like a house of horrors. They got tortured. They got to say tortured. These women tortured them. And then they forced sleeping pills down her throat because Catherine decided after the two days that she was bored of Denise. Wow. So she was like time to go.

Yeah, she was mainly the one that I decided in Stella's time. And it's honestly, it sounds like she's addicted to sex and stuff in this kind of stuff too. She's addicted to, it sounds like she's addicted to sex and stuff in this kind of stuff too. She's addicted to something. Yeah, she's addicted to like, yeah, she's addicted to David and probably to thrill power that she feels and she's got something with women because when she's leaving that quote that she's so I think this is like a she's she likes the power she has over these women

and she likes to decide their fate based off of how David acts to them. Well, her mother left her, right? Or no, her mother died. So her grandmother left her. Well, her grandmother and her family members just passed her around. Yeah, so it's like, she didn't have a strong maternal bond.

I was gonna say, she didn't have a strong maternal bond, and she also just was always taught, you're not good enough. I'm gonna throw you to someone else. So I think now she's like, I am good enough and I'm in power here. And I'm gonna throw the, I decide when you go. That's what's gonna happen, which is so far.

It is. So they ended up bringing Denise to Pine Plantation. She was still alive. They had four sleeping pills down her throat and tried to kill her at the house. She woke up. She was alive. And it was still light out when they brought her there. So David decided, well, I'm just going to rape her until it gets dark out here.

What? And he did. And then when it got dark out, Catherine held a flashlight so that he could see while he stabbed her in the throat and raped her at the same time. Oh my God. That is? Yes. I don't, like, yep, stabbed her in the throat while raping her.

I don't even think we've ever had a case where that happened. Then they then dug a grave for her, a shallow grave, and before putting her in the grave, they could hear that she was still making sounds. So Catherine got a giant hunting knife from the car, and David stabbed her in the chest with it. Oh my gosh. Well, burying her, they're doing their thing, and suddenly she sits straight up and begins

like gasping for air. This poor girl. David didn't know what to do, so he hit her in the head with the shovel, but she still fought back. So he ran and found an axe that they had brought with him and hit her three times in the skull with the axe until she died. Oh my god. Yep.

Yeah. How do you just, how do you have no regard for anyone that is just outrageous to me? Like outrageous to me. Like outrageous to me. That is an overkill of like the highest degree. And what horror that girl went through. And wow, what a fighter. What a fighter to the bitter end. Yeah.

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You know when you would come home from high school and it was only a few hours until that TV show Everyone was watching was about to come on well in 1999 that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer in our podcast with Wondery the re-watcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer We take it back to 1999. So get out your knee-high boots and paste that poster of Angel on the wall. It's time to enter the Buffyverse. Some of you avid morbid listeners

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So, and also later, we'll hear that Catherine said that one, that murder was the one. She said because it was so messy at the end and kind of terrible that she said at the end of that one, she was like, I don't really want to do this anymore. Like this one was, like she was like, I want to abduct and like rape girls, but I don't like kill one anymore. But I don't like kill one anymore. I don't even remember them anymore. And then she was like, and I feel like that was so, I want to abduct and like rape girls. But I don't know if I want to marry her. But I don't know if I want to marry her. And then she was like, and I feel like that was so messy,

we're gonna get caught. But Dave was like, no, I want to keep going. And she was like, okay. Yeah, like he's not got a stall. Yeah. And she was like, oh, okay. Oh man. So November 10th, this is only days after. Yeah.

1986. It's like hate, not even a week later. Yeah, Kate Moyer. So she worked full time. she was 17 years old. She worked full time at a clothing store. The night that David and Catherine came across her, she was walking home from a night out with friends. They pulled up, they said, do you want to ride?

I guess her friends had like brought her part of the way and then she was like, yeah, I just want to walk. It's like really close, like I need some air. Yeah. So she had gotten out and she was like, yeah, you know what, you can bring me her part of the way and then she was like, yeah, I just wanna walk. It's like really close. I need some air. Yeah. So she had gotten out and she was like, yeah, you know what, you can bring me the rest of the way. Yeah. So they were like, okay.

So this time, they changed it up a bit. They didn't take her directly to their house. Where'd they go? They said, what's your address? We'll take you home. Uh-huh. And she was like, okay, so she told them their address. They took her home. but when they got there,

she tried to get out of the car and realized there's no handles on the inside. They'd take in the handles off. It's even a different kind of evil. So they brought her to her house in front of her home, only to go psych that. I can't get out. How do you even think of that?

Like, how does your brain do that? And that to me is like they wanted, I think that was like a new layer that they were like, oh this'll be fun. Yeah, like that was one of those things that were like wouldn't it be fun if we like remove the handles, bring them to their house and they're this close and then just drive them away?

I don't, but I, again, how do you fucking think of that? That is the darkest shit. I have ever heard yeah That's so fucked David immediately brings out a hunting knife in front of her home sitting in the car And she can't get out and her parents are just like right there right there held it to her throat and Catherine tied her arms together and put a blanket over her head stop. Yep. Oh blanket over your head too Yeah, then they drive her back to their home and on the way there arms together and put a blanket over her head. Stop. Yep. A blanket over your head too, just like, then they drive her back to their home. And on the way there, I guess she flat out asked them,

are you gonna rape or hurt me or kill me? And they were, and I guess David responded, we'll only rape you if you're good. Ew. That's what he said to you. Oh. When they got back to the house, they made her completely undress.

They put all of her stuff into a plastic bag with her name on it. That's weird as fuck. They then made her take a shower while Catherine watched her. What? Why are they getting so much weirder with this? Yes, they get weirder each time. They're so fucked. They are. It's just dirty.

Then they made her like, they said they asked her a bunch of questions about, like, her loved ones and, like, her life and all this weird shit. And then they made her dance to the dire straight song, Romeo and Juliet in front of them. Oh my God. I remember listening to this case, and I remember hearing that, and just being, like, what made the dance to it in front of them. Yeah. Like, and she, like, she's naked. Yeah. Like, and she's naked.

But yeah, that's just horrified, terrified. And you have to dance to their liking in front of them. That's, I just, in front of these two fucking dehydrated ghouls. Like they look like, you know, in Beetlejuice, when at the end, when like they start, you know, in Beetlejuice, when at the end, when they start, you know, they do the sounds. Yeah. And the two ghosts start like crumbling

to like just, that's what they look like. And that's what you have to dance in front of, and please stop. That's what they look like. And it's hard for me to be here anymore. And she said they were like smoking cigarettes, like the chain smoking, smoking weed, like doing drugs, just making like thinking

this was like a fun time and she's just like, what the fuck? This is so just disturbing. And at one point they had her sit down and like watch TV with them. I think they had her watch like Rambo with them. What? Yeah, they used to love to watch Rambo

and I guess they made her watch it with them. I can't imagine sitting through a television show, like while you've just been abducted and being like, what the fuck is gonna happen to me? Like, why am I watching Rambo with you? Right, what? Like, is this what you abducted me for? Yeah, and I guess so they're sitting there,

and then all of a sudden David and Catherine, like they flip on the news, and there's like news of these missing girls, sudden David and Catherine, like they flip on the news and there's like news of these missing girls and they David and Catherine are thinking this is hilarious, they're making jokes. So Kate obviously has no idea at this point that they are the ones. So Kate is like weird and she's like yeah that's crazy and then she notices that in the in the room with them is a newspaper and it's open to an article about Denise. And she's like, oh yeah, like that's crazy.

Well I guess Catherine started laughing at it and being, and I guess Catherine, and so Kate was like, what's funny about that? And Catherine said, quote, you would think a big girl like that could protect herself. Oh, like, it was like, oh, they did this. Yeah. Like, it's like, oh, okay. Like, I know one part of this. Like, string of girls and they've done this.

So she was like, oh shit. So she said she was like, she said, and she was like, I was gonna die that night. Like, I was fully prepared. And then she said something, and I don't have the exact quote. She was saying it's a very weird thing to realize you're gonna die, but not be able to fully process it.

Yeah, because how do you ever fully process it? And she was like, okay, so I can let this happen to me, or I can fight like those women fought, and I can just try to make it so that this doesn't happen to somebody else. Yeah, try my best. So what she did was she started putting things everywhere around the room. She was hiding them places.

So she figured when police come, whether I'm dead or not, they're gonna find me. They're gonna know I was here and they're gonna be able to tie it. And hopefully we'll get them stopped. At 17 years old, thinking of everyone else and thinking of like how do I make this so? Like she's like I might die, but hopefully if I do this, it doesn't thinking of everyone else. And thinking of like, how do I make this so? Like, she's like, I might die, but hopefully,

if I do this, it doesn't happen to somebody else. That's outrageous. That's crazy. That's outrageous. But amazing. So she hid that bag of her things with her name on it. She hid it. And she also found a pack of cigarettes.

And she hid those in the ceiling because she said she figured later, if she did survive, she could say, I hid a pack of cigarettes in the ceiling, they will find it and know that she's telling the truth. I would never think of that. Yeah, how smart. So that night after she's doing all this, David raped her. Oh, goodness.

So she asked if she could write down good buy notes. She was like, can I, because they were like, we want you to write a letter to your family and friends saying you're fine. And she was like, okay, can I just write like a good buy note and like tell them that, you know, I'm going somewhere and like, I love them, can I write all that? And they were like, yeah, sure, just make it seem like you want to leave. Okay. So she did that. But she was like, she's doing all this very deliberately. And that night, David handcuffed her foot to his foot

to go to sleep. Shot so she couldn't leave. Ew, I also hate feet so much. I know, and he also gave her sleeping pills, like forced them into her mouth and told her, just go to sleep. No. Well, Kate pretended to swallow them,

but then ended up when he fell asleep, spit them out and hid them under the mattress. Wow. Yes, because she knew if she was, she was like, if I took those sleeping pills, I would be dead. Absolutely. And she was like a now-knowing, that's their MO, I would have been dead. That would have been the next thing that happened.

So the next morning, David had her call her parents and tell them that she was just really drunk the night before. And he said to let them know that, you know, I'm just hanging out with friends. I'll be back later. And he said, if you let them know anything, I will murder you just like the others. So that's when he officially admitted to her. I murdered the other ones. That's so scary.

So she's like good. So David went to work because again, he doesn't miss work. I love it. He goes to work. I was here for her. Just like the toy box killer. Mm miss work. I love it. He goes to work. Just like the toy box killer. I'm not going to toy box killer. Yeah, go to work. Just go to work.

They all just go to fucking work. Go ahead. Shit goes down. Go ahead. Go to work. Go to fucking work. You dingus. Beat.

Get that employee of the month badge. Yeah. Get it. Get your coin. I hope you get 100 extra bucks in your paycheck. Because you're not going to use it. I can't spend it. Exactly. I can't spend it motherfucker.

So he leaves in Catherine's in the house with her, which is like, more terrifying to be honest. So Kate is like, okay, how do I go about this? And he's like, she's like, I gonna be quiet, or I could try to befriend her. And she was like, I'm a likable person. And Kate is a very likable person.

She's got like a very, she's got a face that you just like would be like. Yeah, like you know, like she's just got a very nice smile. She's just very happy. Yeah. She was like, I can do this. So she starts talking to her. She starts being like, what music do you like? What is it like just asking like a normal person would. So they start listening to music together. All right. Because I started to talk about it. Catherine's getting a little comfortable with her. She's not treating her to, like, as much like shit, even though she's like, you know, sitting there like half naked in the prisoner. And at some point, someone knocked on the door. And apparently Catherine had taken up to selling drugs at this point, so someone coming to get their drugs. So she's like, Kate,

get in the bedroom and you stay there. Yeah. Like don't go anywhere. Kate's like, Kate, get in the bedroom and you stay there. Yeah, like don't go anywhere. And Kate's like, yeah, okay. So Kate goes to the bedroom and she's like, cool. So immediately she's like, what the fuck do I do here? I gotta get out of here. So she hides some lipstick of hers. She puts a paper with her name and number on it and hides it so that they would find it later. And she escaped through the fucking window

and ran to three different houses who were not home at the time. She is half naked, by the way. Oh my gosh. She finally gets to a market and she's screaming. Half naked running up to this guy outside of a market and she said, quote, if a woman's, first of all, she said,

I've been raped and abducted, please help me. Yeah. And she said to him, if a woman comes here and says I've had a fight with her and I'm her daughter, don't believe her, I've been raped. Oh my goodness. So now I'm like, because I couldn't find anything further.

She must have said something. Because she definitely said something. She must have said like, if someone asks, like, I'm just gonna say you're my daughter. Like, she must have told her some shit like that. Oh yeah. Even if you escape, I'm just gonna pretend you're my daughter and I'll get you anyways. Right. That must have been some some shit like that. Like, even if you escape, I'm just gonna pretend

you're my daughter and I'll get you anyways. It's like, that must have been some terrorizing shit that you did. Absolutely. It's crazy. So they did call the police. The police did not believe her initially. I'd be like, cool, go to the mother fucking house

and people on my clues. Well, that's the best part. So they brought her to the Palmeera police station and it was police officer Laura Hancock, who finally was like, guys, thank you. She's telling the fucking truth. Thank you. Lara was 22 years old and was fresh out of the police academy. This was her first everything. A bam. And she literally was like, fuck all y'all who are like veterans on this police force. This girl is telling the truth how fucking dare you not believe.

Well, and just like that's, no. And your job is to help me. Your job is until like believe or not believe. Exactly. You're just supposed to help me. And there was no reason to not believe she's half naked. Like, what do you, what do you, what do you, maybe break out a rape kit?

What, she getting out of what you need to know? What would she get out of lying about this? This doesn't make any sense. That makes me so angry. It's insane. And what Lara, officer Lara Hancock said was, quote, I was told that it was a bizarre story and to stitch her up for a false report.

Yeah, it's a bizarre story, but also, why don't you think about what's going on in the area at this time? Well, that's the other thing, and it's like, oh, so now, why don't you think about what's going on in the area at this time? Well, that's the other thing, and it's like, also now you're gonna charge her with a false police report? Yeah, like that's nice. And she said, and I'll never forget those words.

That is verbatim. I have lived those words for 30 years. So Laura's like, I can't believe that they were just like, fuck this, it's weird. I would have left out and like, I'm not gonna work here then. No, fuck that. So her story, of this, it's weird. I would have left out and I'm not gonna work here then. No, fuck that. So her story, of course, was very consistent.

She was telling them everything that happened. She had every detail. And she was like, guys, I have their address. I'll take you to their house. You can find all my shit. So she was like, and she said she was like, this is what I left. I will name you every single thing

that I left in there and it will confirm. Mm-hmm. And not only that, she was like, I can describe these people like Tuiti, I can tell you. She said, David had an abnormally long hooked nose. He does. And Catherine was short and had a permanent frown and high cheekbones, which is exactly how you describe it.

A permaphrown. To a teen and high cheekbones. Yeah. The detectives went to the house and they said it was filthy. It was described as, quote, strewn with food, clothes, and bedclothes. Several ash trays were overflowing with butts.

And on the table, there were three pairs of tweezers in a syringe. The fuck. They also said there were newspapers open intentionally to stories about the missing women. Oh yeah. They found all the evidence that Kate had planted every single piece of it. That they felt real fucking stupid then. They also found a lot of the details that Kate had told them because Kate was like, here's what the living room looks like here's what the bedroom looks like here's what their what the living room looks like. Here's what the bedroom looks like. Here's what their fucking comforter looks like.

Told them everything. Kate's a bad bitch. She is. And they arrested Kat Katheryn on the spot. I love that. She wasn't home, I guess, and they had to wait in the house firm when she arrived. They were like, hello, Katheryn.

How are you? How are you? They went to David's work and arrested him. And I guess all his coworkers were like, what the fuck? It's like when John Wayne Gacy was arrested. People were shocked. And one person who was talked to was the owner of a nearby video store in the area. And he said he was like, oh yeah, he's like, I always thought they were kind of weird.

They rented a new video every day of the week. It was probably porn, right? Probably. And also weird shit like Rambo and stuff. It was just like, it was a random mishmash of things. But they were like, that's a lot of videos, like what are you doing? What are you doing?

What are you doing? Kate also confirmed later that while in the car being driven to her home, she said, when she was held at knife point, she said, she heard Catherine say, clearly I have the munchies. Do you have the munchies? Which later we find out that is a thing.

Right. So the couple both said when they were brought into the police station, they both were like, oh no, Kate came with us willingly. Like this for sure. And they said Kate had gone home with them to smoke. And then they had sex, David said they had sex consensually. Mm-hmm. No. Not the truth. And they were questioned for hours and hours. And then they had sex, David said they had sex consensually. No, not the truth.

And they were questioned for hours and hours. Neither one of them were gonna admit anything. They were both like, nope, this is our story. Like fuck her, I'm not gonna sit here and admit to anything. She came to our house willingly and you can't prove anything different. Oh, and they were literally, they were like, because they were like, well, we have all this shit

that she left and they were like, yeah, she left them there. Like, she was in our house. Of course, because of the meeting she was in our house. Well, I was gonna say to you when you were like, saying how they're doubting her and then they go look at the stuff, I'm like, what if they think that they just like, this is like a drug deal gone wrong

or something like that. But then it's like, she wrote her name and address on a paper and hit it. It's like some of the things you gotta be like, and like the bag with her name on it. Yeah, that's fucking creepy as hell. But still, it's all kind of just like circumstantial at that point when it comes down to it.

Right. And so, and if they're admitting like, yeah, she was in her house, but like, that was it. And so after a ton of time that did, one of the detectives questioning David was just getting tired. And so eventually he was like, he said this. And this was just him saying like a phrase.

This is just a phrase. They use, he goes, it's getting dark. Why don't you just show me where the bodies are so we can dig them up? And he said it like, you know, tell me all the skeletons in your closet. Like just show me where the bodies are so we can dig them up.

Just give me the information. That was like, kids said that. He said that. Well, and he's information. That was like, kids that he said that. Well, and he's using this as just like, like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase.

Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase.

Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Like a phrase. Oh, he's croaking a little bit. Just like put them back in your socket. That is big crying. Shut the fuck up. Big ass crying because you got caught.

Yeah, but I love that this detective was like, oh god, just tell me where the bodies are so we can end this. And he's like, all right, there's four of them. And that detective was probably like, oh fuck. He was like, no, I actually did want to go home. Like, oh no, okay, this is going to be a longer night. Yeah. So he told him that he told them the names of the victims.

He said, I'll take you to where they're buried. What the fuck? He just confesses. Just broke. And as soon as he starts confessing, they go to Catherine and they're like, motherfucker just confessed everything. And she's like, all right, well, yeah, I did it.

Yeah, we were there. So they were like, okay, you gotta take us to the body. So David took them to Mary, Sus Susanna and Denise's grave sites. But Catherine was insistent that she be the one to take them to Newlyne Patterson's grave. Well, I would be like, no, you don't get to do what you want to do. Oh, no, she was like, well, because David was like, I think they had some kind of weird thing. And David was like, I'll take you to these three. And she was like, I will take you that one. That's weird. And she hated her for catching David's attention.

Yeah, and she was still talking shit about her to the cops, like as they were going there and the cops were like, can you imagine? Like, are you kidding? She talked about how much she hated her. She said she was glad she was dead. She didn't, she said she didn't regret one second of that. And when they got to the site and unburied her,

she leaned over and spit on her in the grave. It's like, imagine being in an officer sitting there and you're like, really? Yeah, really? That's what you want to do right now. You know, imagine being those detectives watching, you're unburying a body that she's like, yeah, I fucking hate this girl.

And blah, blah, blah. You're unburying her and she's leans over and spits on her. I'd be like, what is in front of us right now? Like that's not even a human. That's not even human. Is in front of us right now. That's nuts. That would be so sickening to watch. Well, also like how about a new word for petty? That would be sickening.

Yeah, I can't. Sickening. I can't. So the only murder that Catherine actually showed any kind of emotion over it. It wasn't regret. Or like cared for her remorse or anything. It was really purely selfish. She basically didn't like Denise's murder,

which was the last one, which I told you she didn't like how it all went down. Yeah, right. She was just kind of horrified of the experience of watching the brutality of it. And she said, quote, deep and dark in the back of my mind was yet another fear. I had a great fear that I would have to look at another killing like that of Denise Brown, the girl he murdered with the X. I think she just didn't like the messiness of it. Yeah, no, because she was talking shit about

Denise after she died. Yeah, it's not it's not remorse. It's just purely selfish. I don't want to watch that again. Right. That's all. Right. And as they were leaving the site of Susanna, Denise and Mary's grave sites, David Bernie looked at the police and went, what a pointless loss of a young life.

He did that to be an asshole. When they were like, are you kidding me right now? It's like, I think so. Wow. That's just ridiculous. So people actually think that Catherine may have somewhere even in the back of her mind allowed Kate to escape because she was sick of the whole deal. Since she did say over and over many times to police, she said, quote, I knew that it was a foregone conclusion that David would

kill her and probably do it that night. I was just fed up with the killings. I thought if something did not happen soon, it would simply go on and on and never end. Wow. So I think she liked terrorizing. Oh yeah. And I think, you know, I think a couple of them, she was definitely down for murdering.

Well, like we said, she wanted to be in charge. But she wanted to be in charge. I think this was getting messy. Well, she was like, if you look at it from like her like whole power stance point, she didn't have control over that. Yeah, the power was shifting. As soon as she saw that, she was like, oh shit, like I'm not so in control of this. Exactly, like in that, because she says, you know, I,

it was a foregone conclusion that David will kill her, and probably that night. So it's like, I didn't have a choice in this, and I didn't have a part to part to do it. I didn't get to do it. So I made the choice to let her go. Exactly. And I wonder if it was a power thing in that sense. Like, she allowed it to happen. So she's like, I love this happen based on everything that like we've talked about so far. I agree with that. Yeah. So the major crime squad seized a ton of photographs from their home. And they said they were quote, we were so appalling that the detectives refused to discuss them even amongst themselves. Wow.

So no one knows what was on those. I don't want to. No one wants to know. On November 12th, police charged Catherine and David each with four counts of murder. Yes. Two counts of aggravated assault, on aggravated sexual assault on the 17 year old girl in one count of deprivation of

liberty. Wow. Now they appeared in court on November 13, 1986. That same day, there were workers lifting out section of drain pipe around the Bernie home. Because weeks before that, apparently some road workers said they found pieces of bones and shoes and women's underwear in the piping. The fuck?

But nothing was ever done about that. Like nothing was ever taken seriously about that. So until they arrested them, that's when they were like, oh, we should probably look at that. We should probably figure out where those bones came from. Like bone fragments, I guess. It was like full bones, but still. Yeah, but still. They did nothing more after that. They just like were

That was it and they didn't find anything in the in the pipes when they went looking again But that had been weeks and weeks ago. So whatever was in the pipes is long gone at that point So it does not mean that they killed other people probably they think they might have yeah now when they were leaving the courtroom There were like crowds and crowds of people Oh, yeah, cuz it's had tons of media coverage Now, when they were leaving the courtroom, there were like crowds and crowds of people that showed up. Because it had tons of media coverage. I hope they were all spitting on clouds. It was like Myra and Ian,

kind of thing how everybody's like, which just wants a piece of that. It's like an angry mob. Exactly. David blew a kiss at them, and Catherine apparently smirked at them, but then lost her shit, like kicking, screaming, spitting,

like going crazy while being like, I would literally spit on her. Now, during the trial, a 19 year old woman came forward like kicking, screaming, spitting, like going crazy while being like, of course. I would literally spit on her. No, during the trial, a 19 year old woman came forward and said they had offered her ride at one point, and she got scared when she walked up to the car because she saw a young girl lying in the back seat.

It was Denise. Or they had drugged, and we're going to pick up that other girl to take her. They were gonna take her the same night. And you think somebody's going to get in the car when they see that? Well, they were like, oh, she's sleeping. And she was like, no, like she just had a bad feeling.

So she was like, no, she's like, run. Yeah, she just left. She was like, nope. And they weren't going to leave the car with Denise in it. No, of course not so. I guess lucky in that sense. Now, bail was refused for them. Yeah. They went back into court February 10th, 1987.

They both pled guilty to the murders, abduction, and rape. David turned to the families, and said about pleading guilty. He said, it's the least I could do. I want to hear him. He wants to hear him. I hate him.

That's so nice. They were both sentenced with four life sentences. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. David has a stamp on his record saying never to be released. But did you say he did? He did die, which I'll get into. And the judge said, quote, each of these horrible crimes were premeditated, planned, and carried

out cruelly and relentlessly over a comparatively short period. He should never be let out of prison. Catherine got a sentence that made her eligible for parole in 2007, because there was some law on the books that every three years, whether they wanted to or not, they could go for parole. Don't worry, that changes. So when they were sentenced and brought to the vans to go into prison, Catherine had to be dragged, kicking, screaming, spitting, and cursing into the van. Girl, like, where do you think that, like, you're not gonna get you?

Yeah. And it's like, it's not making you look sympathetic or anything. You're just an old animal. Like, so Catherine and David, while in prison, they were in two separate prisons, and they exchanged thousands of letters. Myronian, this is- Myronian. They're remyronian. while in prison they were in two separate prisons and they exchanged thousands of letters. I ran in the sea. I ran in. They're me run in.

And I might say this wrong, so I'm sorry. David was in Cossarina prison, so I hope I'm saying that right. You know I love you, Aussies, so you let me know. He got into fights in that prison, a ton. Oh yeah. And he got the shit kicked out of him a ton. So good. So good. So good for that.

At first, Catherine said she missed David, she felt guilty, not about what they had done. She didn't feel guilty about what they had done, but the fact that she felt she got them caught. So she was feeling guilty about that. She felt guilty. Yeah. She didn't feel guilty because she got them caught. Yeah.

She felt guilty because she got them caught on purpose. Exactly. She felt guilty. Not further solidifies it. Exactly. She apparently told someone in prison, in fact, quote, I could have stopped that girl. I should have, but it all had to come to an end. Yep.

So she started feeling guilty about that because now she realizes she's in prison for the rest of her life. Yeah, she's not guilty. She just feels regret. Yeah, exactly. Her own selfish right. The way I just said, I was like, we're regret. We're regret.

She feels regrets. It's what she feels. Yeah. And David began to try to get people, that he was trying to get visits with Catherine. Like he's thinking, in what world do you think that's gonna happen? He was telling them like physically and emotionally and mentally he was breaking down without her.

So he was like, I need to see her and they were like, we literally don't care. Like I don't, like cool, cool Romeo. Nobody gives a fuck. Did you mistake us for people who give a shit about you? Do you think that this is a day camp? Like, cause this is actually a prize on. You don't get to cross the lake to the girls camp

and go hang out with your girlfriend, you asshole. So in July of 1992, David said that he, he went to authorities and he was like, listen, we did other murders. Oh hell yeah. And he was like, and I'm here I am. I'm ready. I'm ready to tell you about it. I'm ready to tell you who it is. I'm ready to bring you to the grave sites. And then they were like, cool, do that. And he was like, let me see Catherine. Wow. So did that. So they were like, uh, no. And then they were like, so they said, first they said no.

And then they were like, okay, give us a little bit. Like you got to give us more to let us figure it out. You're just saying that. So he starts like inching into like not details, but he's giving them a little bit of story, no names, no days, no name. So this could be made up. It could be made up, but at the same time they were like, we don't want to like risk this, so they said,

okay, we're gonna talk to Catherine. And maybe they were like, maybe if he talks to Catherine, they'll both admit to what they've done, and we can pin some more on. So they asked Catherine. Now at this point, Catherine was bored of him. She was done. She wasn't answering his letters anymore.

She didn't really want David in her life. She had no interest in seeing him. So she said, no, I don't want to see him. And I don't care. Did that just story him? Also, that's my Rehendley. Yeah, literally. Oh, shit, I forgot that she did that.

This literally happened. Did you guys just follow in their footsteps? It would be very interesting to really get like a TV show between the two of their do-ling. Do-ling. I would love to do like a do-ling series on them. TM, that's ours.

So I'm gonna fucking take it. I wanna take that out of the episode. We're gonna take it out of the episode. I wanna do it, because those, these two fascinating I would say. To look further into the psychology. There's so much. So authorities go back to David and they're like, yeah, she said no, like, but we need you

to give us the information. And he was like, no, no, right. And then when they talked to Catherine about it, they were like, you know, we know that you've done more. And she was like, shrugged. And they were like, and he's what, you know, you got to tell us. And we want to give these families closer. And she was like, eh, no, I don't care.

Like, don't care at all. What an asshole. David continued to write her letters, but she never responded back again, Ian Brady. For a second, I was like, oh, and then I was like, wait, no. I know you're just like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I hate the manipulation of my emotions. They can manipulate you even for the truth.

And she was looking for parole at this point. She was really like, I think I can get it. So she was like, it's a bad look to talk to him. So I'm gonna remove myself. Which again is very, I keep saying it, but it's like, she's cutting out for number one. She's sitting there, she's like, my whole life I acted like I was like obsessed with this man.

I've connected myself in every way, shape and form to him. Right. I went down the rabbit hole of murder, rape, abduction, torture, terrible shit with him, for him, like only to satisfy his desires and what I'm with what I've said. Yeah. Yeah. And now that I want to be out of here, she can just shut it off. That's wild. That's wild. But Nanas. Like, she literally like flipped a switch and was like, I wanna get out, so boom done.

Buh. Like, you murdered people for this man. No. You left seven children for this man. No. And you're sitting here now being able to be like, no, I'm over it because I wanna get out. That's sociopathic in a banana's way. Banana, like that's, I just can't get over it because I want to get out. That's sociopathic in a banana's way.

Banana, like that's, I just can't get over it. So, yeah, so she was looking for parole, so she was like, I got to end with him. And David was actually given medication at one point for depression and anxiety in prison, because he just couldn't handle it. But in October 2005, though some kind of like paperwork error with error,

error with his medication, and it was just like lost in the system, his prescription and the thing saying that he needed it, so they just cut him off. Oh, like just cold turkey, cut him off of antidepressants. Very bad for you. Well, in 2005,

he was charged with the sexual assault of a fellow prisoner and his computer which I'm like why did he have a computer I was like his computer I thought you like set it wrong it was apparently taken away or his computer like privileges I don't know what you want it said computer so I was like whoa but it was taken away from him because he had porn on it how are you getting porn in prison, my dude? I have no idea. Like we should probably, like I couldn't even get on Tumblr in fucking high school.

I'm sure you could figure it out. Kind of well. Now remember, it was in October 2005 that his depression, anti-depressants were cut off called Turkey. October 7th, 2005, at 57 years old, he hung himself with a sheet in his cell. He was undergoing, this was during the time

when he was undergoing investigation for that sexual assault of the other other inmate. And it was apparently like back in 1995 that he had actually sexually assaulted another inmate. That they didn't know about, so they knew about one in the early arts. And then they found out that he might have done it again. So he was gonna be going up in front of a judge for it basically. Right. And so everybody was like, it was the next day, I guess, that he was supposed to go up in front of his church.

It makes sense. So I think he knew that it was just gonna get worse. Right. And then Catherine wasn't talking to him anymore. Like what did he have left? Well, no one claimed his body. And he was buried in an unmarked poppers grave. Duce's good riddance.

He abandoned his fucking child and wife to live out a disgusting perverted sexual say to serial killer dream. And it worked out really well for him, obviously. Yeah, like what the fuck? His poor daughter, like I said, who I'm not gonna name, she's said she's in like a few articles I read. She said she's scared to have children herself.

She doesn't wanna have children herself because she's worried she will spawn another David Bernie. That's so sad that he like robbed her of that. Yeah, robbed her completely of her habits. Because even the fact that she says that means she'd be a great mom. Exactly, that she cares. And she's worried she'll pass on some kind of like gene,

which is so sad. That is sad. She's also scared of marrying because she doesn't want to end up with a guy like her father. Yeah. But she maintains, according to the West Australian, which has a lot of good articles about this,

she said, quote, he was a very caring father to me. But clearly, that was a mask he was putting on. It's the only way I can describe it. And she said, I've never been able to reconcile how the person I knew was the psychopath that he was. When you're a child, you really can't know somebody that well. But I look back at it and I think, did I ever know him? Wow. Which must be a mind-fired-your-own father. And she still lives in fear of someone seeking revenge against her purely for being his daughter Because that happens. Yeah, in fact Catherine Bernie's kids have all gotten the shit kicked out of them at different times and like she left them when they were

small children Like one of them she left when they were like daisled literally like it's crazy. That's hard like don't go Come on do not go after children of murderers. Like that have no, nothing to do with it. They're, again, they're victims in their own right. Yeah. Now, Catherine Bernie is alive. And still in prison at Bandy Up,

women's maximum security prison. She's tried to write her children several times. Oh, girl, no. She likes to blame her, you know, she just was so in love. She can't know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, kids. I was just so in love.

Inferioriates me. And she said that she cut all communications with David because he was weak and she is strong and didn't need him. Oh my god. And then when, and again, they've asked her several times. They've taken her like in and been like, you gotta tell us about the other murders, cause now they don't have David.

So they can't, she's all they got. She's not gonna tell them shit. She just smirks and will tell them, she's such a bitch. But she has also apparently exchanged letters with other killers, like she talks to other killers. That's weird. In prison and she has also tried to make herself look like she's to other killers. That's weird. In prison, and she has also tried to make herself look like she's very reformed, and she works

as the prison librarian. Get the fuck out of here. She reminds me of like Catherine Knight, how she tries to like, nan- Oh, nan-a-nan in prison, yeah. Fuck off. Her kids fucking hate her. Yeah, of course they do.

Some of them say, like I said, they've been abused and assaulted just for being their kids. Her youngest son, who goes by Peter in all the articles I wrote, literally said, I wrote, I'm sorry, I just blew past, I was like all the ones that I wrote, all the articles I read. He says that he literally wishes that she would quote, hurry up and die and I don't blame him.

I guess she fucking, she abandoned her children and her husband to do the same thing David did, become a sexual say to serial killer. When Peter was six, he was six years old. When they asked him how he would feel if she dies, like if one, she got the death penalty or two, she died in prison. He said, quote, it wouldn't bother me.

It would be 30 years of stress off my shoulders. Wow. Which I don't blame him. And when asked what he'd say to his mother one last time, if he could say something, he said, quote, hurry up and die quickly. Wow.

To which I want to say hi, five. I get it. But what a fucking terrible thing. Well, that's just such a sad, yeah, it absolutely isn't. Like what a shitty, shitty thing to have to do. Didn't choose that at all. Yeah, and it's like, and he said, he's like, I did, like, she abandoned us.

Like, she was terrible. Like, she was terrible. Right. And to have to reconcile that and have people treat you like shit over it, that's just not right. So every three years, like I said, she was considered for parole, even if she didn't ask for it. She went up in 2007 for the first time and was rejected because of the gruesome nature

of their crimes and her full participation in them. It was thought that she was actually at one point in prison, working as a messenger, like a go-between, between two other killer lovers that were in prison. Yeah, yeah. Jessica Staszenowski and Valerie Parashumty. I'm so sorry, I'm probably butchering those. Well, they're probably horrible people, so.

They are known as the vampire wheelie bin killers. Yeah. Like, yes, you heard that right. The vampire wheelie bin killers. Oh, man. We gotta do better with these names. We really do. We gotta do better.

Can we just call them like the dumb dumb stinky feet? Dumb dumb dumb dumb. Like that's just the dumb dumb dumb dumb. They killed a 16 year old girl named Stacey Mitchell together Oh, man, they were held in separate prisons after the judge was like keep these monsters apart Yeah, don't put them in the same Catherine was found with one of their diaries and was like sending messages back and forth between them like get out of here Get the fuck out of here. So now she's trying to help like other killer couples stay in touch

It's like no that can't be your thing in prison. No, well, I just don't, I just don't, I just don't, I just don't, I just don't, I just don't. I just don't, like they killed the 16 year olds. Don't, no, bye. Well, she was rejected again in 2013, again in 2016, and Kate Moyer is like fighting. How did she say sheer is like fighting.

How did she say she's speaking like fighting for the other victims? Yeah, which like I love her so much. And that was her mindset from the very beginning. So you know it's not like me or anything. No, it's like she was, has been fighting this entire time for them. And every three years when she has to come

to the parole things. I hate that she even has to do that. Yeah, she said she's there to speak for all of the victims. And in 2016, she actually started a petition. And the petition was to put an end to the revictimization of survivors and the families for this parole nonsense that she shouldn't get and why we even going through the motions. Right. So she's actually been contacted, Kate has by Catherine's children who have told her that they agree they never want Catherine released Like they're like where on your side? With you will fight with you and what she said was I

Want the attorney general to change to the law and stop reviewing Catherine Bernie's parole She does not apply for it herself. It is automatically reviewed and every time it happens, it causes me incredible pain. And she said every time I hear that her parole is being reviewed, I relive the nightmare. It causes significant trauma because I relive it and it feels like it happened yesterday. My name was always protected because I was a minor at the time I was captured. But due to the internet, if anyone Googles my name, it is everywhere in link to the Bernie killings, which must suck. But luckily now, she is connected to such a bigger, higher purpose. Absolutely. I don't even think she was looking to be connected to that, but it's just like she's

so inspiring herself that it just became that. In Catherine would have been up in 2019 for another parole, but in 2018, the attorney general John Quigley introduced a new law into parliament that said that the other law where even killers like Catherine Bernie, who were horrific killers, could apply for parole every three years, was bullshit. Yeah, it is. And so he scrapped it. So killers convicted of three or more murders on the on one day, so like spree killers or two or more murders on different days Could be banned for parole consideration for up to six years. That's fair. We'll take it

He also like paid tribute to Kate in his when he was announcing that proposed launching this. I love it. So this is all because of her. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, when you Google her name, yeah, it's going to be connected to this case, unfortunately. But now when you Google her name, hopefully, I want, I wish we could make it so Google would push up all the great

things that she's done. The laws that she's put into motion, the petitions, she started the foundation, she's put together, which I'll get to in a second, like, she's a badass. She is. She should be like known for that. I think she is in the end. I think so. Like, she is not David and Catherine Bernie's victim or the surviving victim of them. No. Like, she's K-moier and she's a badass. And she's changing laws and shit. Yeah, so now Catherine's papers are marked never to be released. Good. And she is the second woman in Australian history to have this done.

Can you think of who the first one was? Catherine Knight. Catherine Knight. Grandma. Oh, Nana. Yep, she was the first. I think she was the first person I also called a cunt on the podcast. Yeah, I think it was.

That was when we opened up that word to let everybody know that that word is safe here. It's fun. We can say it about assholes. Like I grew up in an Irish pub. That's right. So the chief investigating detective on the burning case, his name is Paul Ferguson.

He said about Catherine, quote, I honestly believe that woman has never given those victims one ounce of consideration. Both the dead victims and the family of the victims. She's an actor. The person I met is all for herself and she will do whatever necessary. They were parasites who lived off each other. The most evil people I've ever, ever come across. And they absolutely are. Calling them parasites who lived off each other is such a... Chef's kiss way of describing them. Too fucking parasites who just latched onto each other is such a... Shep's kiss way of describing them.

Hell yeah. Two fucking parasites who just latched onto each other. Because they lived like parasites too. Now we mentioned before that there is a possibility of other murders. Oh yeah. There's a few that they're still looking at that aren't really connected connected.

They think there's maybe three others, up to three others that they have never confirmed, but they're still unsolved cases. One of them that was actually brought forth by the victim's daughter is the case of Cheryl Renwick, who her daughter came forward in 2017 and said she believes that Catherine and David Bernie were responsible for her mother's disappearance. I hate that they won't, that she like, Catherine will say. She'll never admit it.

She's such a bitch. It's like, you're gonna rot in there anyways. Yeah. Like, her mother Cheryl Renwick was gone Sunday, May 25th, and she said she basically just was gone, like, poof. But there was a few little connections that made it seem like it was David and Catherine. I think they're keeping it a little close like that investigation.

So I will see if anything comes out of there. I hope something comes out of it so then get closure, especially for her daughter. How many years later. Yeah, it's just floating out there. You have no idea if they had something to do with it. That sucks. The not knowing is a crazy part. Yeah.

So the home, the home at three more house road. What happened to that? You always have to wonder what happens to these homes. It has been bought and sold six times since 1998. It went up for sale again in February 2020. It's still up. It's like nobody's buying. It's like nobody's buying.

It's still there. They haven't bulldozed it. They haven't done anything. The listing says it is, quote, restored, renewed, and refreshed, which I feel like the only way it's refreshed and renewed is if like a flame thrower has been used because like, you're not gonna be able to hide all this bad energy, with like, you know, a coat of like, Benjamin Moore.

It's just not gonna take it away. Not even a good sage. You can't even throw up a live laugh love sign in there and make that energy go away. Like, this is a bad energy house. Yeah, I would not want to live there. Someone bought it in June of 2020. Wow.

So like, whoa. That's... Wow. Wow. They probably got a very low interest rate. That's probably why. I mean, you can see the pictures online, right? You can see the pictures online and it's like certainly changed.

It's nice. It looks like a nice house. If you didn't know what happened there, then you'd be like, wow, what a nice little house. You know that there's only a certain amount of time that they have to tell you, if somebody died within this span of years, then we have to tell you. But if it's not, I want to know. I want to know. I think a lot of real estate agents take it upon themselves to be. I would. I would. I would. I would. I want to know. I think a lot of real estate agents kind of take it upon themselves to be I would more

Like upfront and transparent about it. Yeah, but also I'm gonna be calling you in the middle of the night Glenda being like Glenda What is this about? I don't know why that wasn't the inspection report what's going on? No, it was not well I don't know if anybody has seen the 2016 horror film Hounds of Love not me It was inspired by a lot of killer couples according to the directors and writers, but it really resembles this one. It does like really resemble. People think it's like pretty much full on inspired.

And Kate Moyer is married with three children of her own. Yes, Kate. She's founded a foundation called the Empowerment Foundation, which is what like should be. What is in her case. Yes, Kate. And it's educates people on domestic abuse, how to get out, how to get help, and how domestic

abuse is like takes so many different forms. Yeah. Because she wants to educate people that it's not just black and white, what you think it is. Catherine's son, Peter, the one that she left when he was six, he actually was like right alongside Kate, like, tried to like, contacted her, wanted to work right alongside her. What like, it supports her. What a flip.

Right. To end on like one of my love out. And then I just want to leave on Kate's on a quote by Kate. You got to. She said quote, I want the legacy that I leave to be that of a survivor and a hero, never a victim. I prefer the term survivor to victim. Victim is past tense.

I'm reclaiming my name as Kate Moyer. Yes. Yes, Kate. Yes, Kate. Kate is a queen. So if you Google Kate, make sure you look for the empowerment foundation. You did a really good job on all of those. That was a rough case.

It certainly was. And that was like not quick, but that was as like a condensed. Condensed as I could get it. Like that was, I could have gone for like days and days. I think on that, but it was just so crazy. I think you could go for days on days about like how like what is my, I know I think I searched it. I say it all the time.

Previty is not my strong suit I have a tough time editing so you know you guys get to deal with it just do is it so we are going you're gonna be getting this is part two so you'll be getting this like right away because I don't want you to have to wait because Mother's Day weekend we love you and I've got some good ones coming up for you next week yepy all right guys well we love ya.

We hope if you're a mama or a grandma or a mama figure or a dad that acts like a mama, yeah, you have a wonderful, wonderful mother's day. Have a wonderful, and you know what, if you're missing your mama, I'm very sorry. Yeah. And I know that this can be like a, like a trick or a stick.

Yeah, so you know what, we love ya. And we'll hug you like a mom. So. XO. XO. More of a delse. Yeah, so you know what we love you and we'll hug you like a mom. So ex oh ex oh morbid gals Did what I hope you keep listening It's just three all the machinist just I did I'm not normally that much. Yeah, we hope you keep it But not to make that you don't have a fantastic Mother's Day. I'll be so much better. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music.

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