Morbid - Episode 235: The Unbelievable Tale of Michael Malloy AKA Mike The Durable

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

You guys. You’re in for a real treat if you’ve never heard the tale of Michael Malloy. To call him durable is to vastly undersell this story. This dude not only survived about 67 attempts on his life, but did it while- let’s just say more than heavily intoxicated! He is a true iron man.  Check out: On The House by Simon Read And as always, thank you to our sponsors! HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/morbid12 and use code morbid12 for 12 free meals, including free shipping! NortonLifeLock: Save 25% or more off your first year at Norton.com/MORBID Prose: Take your FREE in-depth hair quiz and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/morbid Curology: Go to Curology.com/morbid for a free 30-day trial, just pay for shipping and handling! BetterHelp: This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp and Morbid: A True Crime Podcast listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hello there, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Alaina. And this is Moulbed. We're gonna do like an ASMR version of morbid. Are we? No, we're not. I'm also gonna put my headphones on. I was trying to do this. I was trying to do this like really weird and not have my headphones on, but it's not

working. It's fine. Yeah, I tried last night actually when we recorded to not have my headphones on and I did it for the whole episode, but then today I was like, I don't want that. Yeah, it's too weird. We can't switch it up. No, I'm in the habit of it.

We're trying to be crazy. We're trying to throw caution to the wind and it just doesn't work that way. No, I don't like it. So yeah, nothing happened between now and the last time we recorded. No, because it's literally been less than 24 hours. I don't like it. So yeah, nothing happened between now and the last time we were recording. No, because it's literally been less than 24 hours. So you know what, here we are.

Hello. And this is one that I found kind of accidentally, this case. I was looking for a spooky place, or I was looking, because I was just in the mood to do something weird. So I was like a spooky place, or I was looking, because I was just like in the mood to do something weird. Yeah. So I was like, you know,

I'm gonna do some weird phenomenon. I'm gonna do a cryptid. I'm gonna do something like that. So I was looking like a looking, I found a couple that I can't wait to do. Okay, exciting. But then I happened to just like, this was just,

I can't even remember exactly where I found it, but when I saw it, I was like, it called you Hello. It was like, come to me saw it, I was like, it called you, hello. It was like, come to me, Ginger. I was like, hello, darkness, my old friend. I wanted to sing a mild friend part to hang with you again. So today, that is what they say.

Come to chill with you. I'll come to hang to the extreme with you again. So today, we are going to be talking about Michael Maloy. Oh, I know Michael Maloy. I know the story. You don talking about Michael Maloy. Oh, I know Michael Maloy. I know the story. You don't know Michael Maloy. Maloy. Okay. I can tell you.

All right. Who is he? Is he the guy that like he like died in a bar or something or like got in some like crazy bar fight and he just like wouldn't die? Yes. Yeah. You do know him.

I do know him. Wow, I'm so impressed. Oh my god. And that's why we drink to an episode on him. Did they really? Yeah. Like way back in the day. Like I didn't even know that. I do know how. Wow, I'm so impressed. Oh my God. And that's why we drink did an episode on him. Did they really? Yeah, like way back in the day, like all the days. Oh, I didn't even know that. That's crazy.

Well, he's also called Mike the Durable. Or Iron Mike. He's a god. And I did find a really good book about this case. And it is called Hold Please. Oh, why is it called, it's called hold please. So it's called on the house, on the house. And it's by Simon Reed.

And it's really good, really in depth, because this case, at first I was like, oh, I'm not finding like a whole lot about him, a whole lot about the guys who did it. And I was like, oh, maybe this isn't like a full episode. Oh, a TBT doing a whole lot about him, a whole lot about the guys who did it. And I was like, oh, maybe this isn't like a full episode. Oh, a TBT doing a whole episode. And then I found Simon Reads book and I was like, whoa, really jackpot.

There is only a fraction of the information that I got from it. So I will of course link it like we always do. But I highly suggest that you guys go get this book because it is fascinating. And he writes it really well too, because he'll put in like his own little narrations of things. It's just really good. I like when people do that. So it's not just like blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's just like and then this happened and then this happened and the things he found out and like, how the hell did you find that out? Because this

was like crazy long ago. It was from the 30s. So it's like, that's a long time ago. It's a good amount of time ago. One of my times, you know, I was like, great discussion and all that stuff. So yeah. So Michael Maloy, Maloy, Mike was an Irishman. He was living in New York City during the 20s and 30s.

He was formerly a firefighter, which is interesting because of how he ended up. No one knows fully what his birthday is. Love that. I love how mysterious that is of him. Yeah, like it's just like, people know that he was like around a certain age. A lot of sources claimed he was 60 years old. That's what a lot of people thought.

But on insurance papers, he was marked as 47 years old. And when you find out what his life is, he probably looked 60, but he probably definitely was in his 40s, I would think. Damn. Yeah, he lived like not goals. He lived hard. He definitely did. He was originally from Donagall, Ireland. Don't be all. I don't think I said it right. I'm sorry, my ancestors. Ireland, don't be all. I don't think I said it right. I'm sorry my ancestors. But he drank a lot. All time. Like the club was going up on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and maybe even an extra day. He created another day for the club is what he did. I don't, as soon as you said that, I was like, I

don't know what that means. But I think it means you drank a lot. And if that's the case, then yes, that is what Michael Moloid did. He drank a lot in the club. All that good stuff. You know, he was just kind of drifting. When I know we just joked about him drinking, but like he was a full, blown alcoholic to the point where he was in there literally 12 hours at a time, just drinking from sun up to sundown. That's very sad. And then he would kind of just, like I said before, he was a firefighter at one point, but when he lost that job, he just kind of drifted and he would do all jobs here and there. He would like sweep the streets and you know, just kind of do anything that he could make a couple dollars here and there. He would like sweep the streets and, you know, just kind of do anything that he could make a couple dollars here and there.

But every single cent he made just went to drinking. I wonder if it was like he lost the job, the firefighting job because of drinking, or if it was like he saw some shit while on the job and like left and like turn to drinking to get through it. It seems to me like he is a lifelong alcoholic. Really? Because the way he goes hard at it, this is one of those like you've been doing turn to drinking to get through it. It seems to me like he is a lifelong alcoholic. Really?

Because the way he goes hard at it, this is one of those like you've been doing it for a long time, yeah, long, long time. Like in that respect, if he was 60 years old, I don't even think I would be that shocked, but to be honest, because I just don't, I've never heard of anybody drinking like this. It's truly outrageous.

So the other players in this that we're gonna talk about are Anthony Tony Marino, Francis Pasquale, and Daniel Kreisberg. Let's just say Pasquale forever. Pasquale. Pasquale. I don't even know if that's how you say it, but it is a giant dick.

So it really doesn't matter. And also I just like saying Pasquale. Pasquale. And those are the three main players, but there's gonna be a lot of other names. So I'll try to keep everybody with it. And I'll bear with you. Exactly.

So first, let's talk about Tony Marino, because he's the main guy here. Let's talk about him. He was 27 years old, and he owned up Speakeasy, because again, this is like prohibition times and all that. I love speak easy. His speak easy was at 3 7 7 5 3rd Avenue in the Bronx.

It was in rough shape. Okay. This was definitely like a thrown together kind of speak easy situation. This was not one of those like great Gatsby speak easy where like you know, not three times. Yeah, no three times. And turn this fancy key. And then you come in and like, hey, come on in.

And it was like body slam the door open. And like maybe we might have some alcohol. Like come in, peeing all over the place. And you're welcome here. Let's get there. I think they actually had a bathroom in the place that was only separated by like a curtain icon from the rest of the room.

And then like the room itself was this tiny little dirty, nasty place. It was just really gross. I feel like I wanna go there. Just to see it. I don't wanna go to see it. After reading so much about this, I'm like, I don't want anything to do with this place.

Like that place is seen some shit, some shit. He also, Tony Marino, he was not an appealing character at all. No. He's kind of the worst. He's terrible in every way. Like I I really have nothing good to say about him And on top of everything he also he was like riddled with venereal diseases Yeah, like syphilis which is not in and of itself a bad thing No, but what he does next with them is a bad thing. Because when you have a venereal disease, you should tell your partners, correct.

Your future partners. And if you don't, you're a dick. Absolutely. That's just that. That's not okay. And so he had syphilis, he had a ton of other ones, and he described himself as always having a case of a clap or blue balls.

Oh my God. Yeah. And he was no in between either he's blue ball in it or the clapper, which it's like, whoa. What? That's a whole vibe. You put a hand right there. He's really going for it.

He was married, but he wasn't happily married. I guess not. Because again, he was a giant asshole, and that's hard to be married to. He never told his wife Eleanor about his whole south situation and you know, he can pass it to her which he likely did. I'm not sure if he did I'm not gonna call her out like that, but like he likely something happened because she did find out Only when she was pregnant and going to the doctors the The doctor was, so I'm assuming something happened there

that she found out that way. Yeah, that's terrible. He was also abusive and miserable to her. Yeah, fuck this guy. So Tony's like a real gem. Fuck you, Tony. She said, fuck you, Tony. And she said, quote, he once put the stove into the hall

and proceeded to smash the furniture with an axe and then ran into the street with the axe in his hand. On numerous occasions, he became so violent that it was with difficulty that we were able to restrain him. On several occasions, he threatened to turn the gas on in our room and kill the baby and myself. Jesus. So Marino is a real gem of a guy. Yeah, fucked up, dude. Yeah, such a peach. But hey, there is childhood head trauma. So. Okay, so that explains that.

So there's that. I was looking for it. While I was reading this, I was like, you better tell me this kid hid his head sometime. You're like, I need some form of an explanation. Because you're truly the worst. [♪ Music playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background He claims he says that when he was 12 years old, he fell down floor floor, four flights of stairs at his home, which I have a couple of questions about. One, how?

Two, you had four flights of stairs in your home? Maybe an apartment building, but like you fell down them all. All of them at once. There's no landing between the flights of like you just straight down four flights. Maybe in apartment building. But like, you fell down them all. All of them all. There's no landing between the flights of, like, you just straight down four flights. That's a lot. I don't know. I mean, maybe it makes sense, I guess.

Maybe he was exaggerating a little bit. I think he was exaggerating a little bit. Something did happen because he ended up with a concussion and he had a little scar to show for it. Okay. His family and people who knew him at the time did say that his manner and personality did change after this accident Oh, that's like a little bit sad a little bit. Yeah, and they said he stopped caring about things like school

He didn't want to listen to rules. He didn't he was acting out terribly He actually made his younger sibling steal things for him from stores And if they didn't do it, he would just beat the shit out of them. All right. Yeah He got in a ton of fights with super violent just a giant asshole for him from stores. And if they didn't do it, he would just beat the shit out of them. All right. Yeah. He got in a ton of fights with super violent, just a giant asshole. He got tossed from school in sixth grade. So commitment to the cause.

Oh, halfway there. Living on a prayer and he didn't get out. Living on something. Living on something. He was partying a ton and drinking a lot. He would play a game also where he would offer someone less fortunate than he's some money. And then when they would go to take it, he would either push them down or step on their hands. Why? Which is bold for a guy who we find out later

has to murder someone for some pocket change. So that's a real bold move of you for you to be being that asshole. My empathetic self can't handle that. Yeah, it's a real bold move of you for you to be being that asshole. My empathetic self can't handle that. Yeah, it's a real dick move. So he had initially not been able to hold a job down like there's teens in early 20s. Why? Yeah, I don't know like because he sounds so like with it and so responsible and like a really nice guy Like he'd have a really good resume. You would think his co-workers would he would just be a dream So we're good. Yeah, weirdly enough.-workers would he would just be a dream.

So we're not good. Yeah, weirdly enough he wasn't. He was just floating around from job to job. And then somehow, and I'm not really sure how, he managed to open up a like crappy little speak easy in Harlem with like a partner. Oh, don't know how it happened. Don't know how he got someone to hang around him that long. Or how many of this happened.

Misery loves company. Well, and also his partner apparently didn to hang around him that long or how many of this happened. Well, misery loves company. Well, and also his partner apparently didn't really know him that well before opening it. So I think this was one of those like maybe they were sitting in a bar and they were like, let's open a speaky-sy to catch me. You like to drink it? Yeah.

This will be fun because he ended up his partner and did a believing the partnership and just quit. Yikes. And he said that he was, quote, disgusted with him. Oh, I wonder what happened. So that happened. Yeah. So then that place immediately went under.

Because of course, Marino is not capable of handling shit himself. And not, again, not really sure. But then he opened another Speaky Z, the one that we are going to be talking about. This Speaky Z that we're talking about was unnamed, and it was in the Bronx. All right. And it becomes the scene for all of this. Uh-oh. His wife actually, Eleanor did leave

him at 1.31 and she was urging him to one get treatment for his temper. Yeah. She was like, you, I'm not dealing with this shit anymore. And she was also like, you should probably get treated for syphilis because it can affect your mental health. Can it kill you? It can't and it can make you like violent and stuff. So she was like, you should probably get it checked out. Yeah. Because he like wouldn't go to a doctor to get it fixed. It's like that with like a TBI like together.

Yeah, it's like there's just a lot. So the doctor, he did go to a doctor and the doctor said he had tons of stuff going on down there. He was like, this guy hasn't been to a doctor in a long time. And he was like, he's also in need of like psychological treatment because he's got severe anger issues and he needs to get them checked out. Yeah.

But Marino was like, no. I'm fine. Yeah, he was like, I'm fine, Eleanor. I'm living. Get out of here. So his wife moved out. She was like, I'm not going to deal with this. And they were still married. And she was like, I do want to work things out with you if you get

things under control. Sounds like a very understanding. Yeah. She was just trying to keep, you know, she was trying to keep the family together. But in the meantime, he met a patron who came into his bar all the time named Maybell Carlson. What a bomb name. Right, she was blonde, she was pretty, she was a hairdresser. Bitch, was it Ash? She walked into this bar? No, no, no, it was not. No, it was not.

The answer is no. No, I was gonna let that one, I was gonna let that be a joke for a second, but the answer is no. The answer is no. Absolutely not. No, no, no, especially not. She had also fallen on some kind of hard financial times.

She was a heavy drinker herself, mommy. So she was in that speak easy, quite. You're like, no, not me. I don't know her. And so she was in this speak easy, quite a bit. She was actually from a very wealthy New York City family. She had married like a really wealthy guy. She had moved to DC, but then she ended up divorcing that guy and she had come back to New York. And obviously, New York,

especially at this time, was not very inviting if you were falling on financial hard times. No. So yeah, so he sees her, he takes a liking to her, and he decides to invite her to stay at his home. No, thank you. Now again He's married and his wife has moved out because she wants to work things out with him But wants to give him space to right and he has now brought a Another woman to live into the house not good. Yeah, so his wife at the time was like Excuse me like that's not okay. You can't live with another woman while we're trying to work on our marriage.

Like, that's not okay. But she said he would just explode at her and basically like try to attack her. Yeah, and sounds like she just wasn't gonna get anywhere with him. Yeah, so she basically was like, fuck off. And she just moved out for good with her, with their one year old son.

Oh. So March 17th, 1932, police were called to Marino's home, where Mabel was still staying. They found Mabel dead in bed. Oh, no. Marino said he got home the night before, and he just thought she was sleeping. Yeah, they usually are.

Just sleeping very soundly. And the medical examiner said she had bronchial pneumonia. It was terminal. It was a cute and she was also acute in chronic. So they said that she had like a really bad case of pneumonia that she had probably had for a few days. Okay. That was what she died of.

But he also noted that there were several bruises that were covered with quote, and this is what it said in the report, flesh powder. Oh, make up this. That's a really funny way to say that. I don't flesh powder. I'm never going to not think about what I want to do. I was going to say, I feel like every time I'm going to be like, hold on, John, in one second, I just have to put on my flesh powder. I don't have any flesh powder on today. I don't know if you noticed. And it's weird. Yeah. It's weird not to feel myself. I don't feel like I'm on my flesh powder. I need it. She was clearly, though, unfortunately, she was clearly being abused. Yeah, obviously. She had a need it. She was clearly, though, unfortunately, she was clearly being

abused. Yeah, obviously. She had a black eye. She had several, like, bruises on her body in, like, several different stages of healing. Oh, me. Oh. And weirdly, Marino was the beneficiary on her $2,000 life insurance payout. And they had had like, they didn't stay together for a very long time. No, no. And technically it's like, they were just kind of like having a thing. Like it's like, and he was just kind of like trying to give her a place to stay while also like clearly having intentions.

But yeah, it turns out later, the truth did come out about this later. She did have pneumonia and was very ill for a couple of days. But that wasn't it. But it was discovered that marino had literally force-fed alcohol down her throat,

because she was too weak to even hold a cup. Oh my goodness! And until she was completely incapacitated, then he put her in bed, moved the bed under an open window.

That's not good for pneumonia. Oh, you know what else is not good for pneumonia? Pouring ice know what else is not good for pneumonia? Pouring ice water over the entire bed in the mattress. How does your brain even think to be that able? And then wrapping her in a freezing wet cold sheet. Oh my god, this poor woman until she died. And that's how she died.

What the fuck? So this is who Marino is. There was also at this save. So that's Tony Marino. That's a little overview of him. Okie dokie. At his bar, he had a lot of patrons that came in all the time. And a lot of them were like severe alcohol, like some of them are like all day and night.

One of these guys was Joseph Red Murphy. He ended up becoming kind of a bartender at the speak easy, but he was just kind of like there to like drink. And also like how it all so pour a cup every now and then. And I think he was getting paid like a dollar a day. A dollar a day, literally. And again, he just spent his days drinking whiskey

while he was doing his bartending job. He was also apparently, you know, like he was filthy, never took a shower. Not the bartender I want. He slept on a mangy sofa in the speak easy a lot of times. It would just wake up and like stumble over and pour drink and down it. That's very sad.

He also had a kind of tough life as a child. Like he had gone from foster home to foster home. He was very violent in his youth. He had just stumbled into Marino's bar to get a drink and he gave him a quote unquote job. Now, the next person we'll talk about is Frank Pasquo. Frank Pasquo was 24 years old. He was happily married with a four-year-old son. And he owned Pasquo's burial service.

He was like an undertaker. He had actually hired Michael Maloy, who we're going to talk about soon. I thought you were going to say he was actually high when he went into a bar or something like that. He was actually high. And this next thing will kind of show you how everything's like, how they all come together. Yeah.

Because we know now that Joseph Murphy and Tony Marino work together. Sure. Frank Pasquo actually had hired Michael Moloi every now and then to just do some odd jobs and like polish coffins. Not really. When he was like hard up for drinking money. And he would also let him sleep in the mortuary sometimes. Oh, yeah. He's not so nice and not until the end.

He's the worst. So don't worry. He actually uses this like for bad. Oh, no. Yeah, I know. Because I thought that too. I was like, well, that was nice of him. And then later I was like, oh, you fused it into his advantage.

So they became acquaintances, obviously. Mike, Maloy, and Frank Pesquil. And together, they would go down to Marino, speak easy and they would drink. So all of them began to know each other. Now, Maloy was said to drink literally everything. He would drink whatever was in front of him, and he would literally down it in five seconds,

and he would just go all day. And he also loved the sardine sandwiches that Marino's bar served. Gross. Which sounds terrible. Actually, the total side note, we got a new cat food for the cats and there's like a whole last sardines in it and we had to stop getting that.

Yeah, I couldn't handle it. And actually the cats wouldn't eat them. They would eat around them. I could not do it. I don't blame it. And actually the cats wouldn't eat them. They would eat around them. I could not do it. I don't blame them. They have taste. They have taste. They have refinement.

Oh, Lux and Frankie. Maybe you should. So Pesquat was a shady fuck. And he was working with insurance companies a lot through the burial service. And he was doing a lot of shady dealings with payouts. Because he was getting people to be insured for certain things. He was charging for certain things that he didn't need to do.

There was a lot of shady shit going on. So, Marino and him would talk about this a lot, but they would both talk about it in Italian, according to on the House by Simon Raid. He's the one who said that they would talk about it in Italian a lot so people couldn't hear. They were like being really shady. Yeah. So who knows what other dealings they were trying to get got? Is it fucked up that like I kind of love that? That they know it's cool. Yeah, like I love that. That's cool. But then when you hear like this all sounds at first, you're like, oh my God, this is like so slick. It is. It's terrible to like real slick. And then when you get into it. Also, the most bumbling shit you have it it gets to a point where you like this can't be real

Well, like you said for pocket change for nothing and it's like obviously nothing is worth doing murder Exiring someone, but it's like it came to a point where they're splitting it among like eight of them Here's and also one cent for you. There's so many people involved in this that you're like, how did all of you just be so okay with just trying to murder someone for money? Yeah, that's a lot. It was a time in New York. It was a different time. So yeah, him and Marino would talk a lot about these insurance scams and all that.

And he was actually the one who helped Marino get the policy out on Maybell. Okay. He was the one who was able to like scam that. Right. Get him to ball. Probably like forged a signature, I bet. Yeah, there was all these things where they used different names.

They, they're just, he just knew what he was doing. Yeah. But all of this wasn't helping Marino's business because every, even the money he was getting from these insurance schemes and all that He wasn't putting them back into the business. It was stupid and it was failing and the depression is closing and all around them He's about to lose this. Yeah, so now Marino is hard up. He needs cash He's like, what am I gonna do? And he's discussing this with Frank Pesquay and another regular 29-year-old Daniel Kreisberg.

Okay. Now Kreisberg had three kids and a wife. He worked as a grocer and by all accounts, he was like a good husband and father. Wow. He genuinely loved his family. In fact, up until the very end, he said, I only did this for my family.

I was just desperate to give them a good life. And I did stupid shit and I went down bad paths. Yeah. Which is like okay, but like murder. Yeah. It's like I want to give you that noble patch, but I can't. But like he didn't hurt it. And like morality, go hand in hand, and like you're lacking the moral part of the soul. That's really sweet that you love your children and your wife and you want to like provide for them. But like, you can't do that. It's murder.

Like murder takes away the cuteness of that. It's murder. That thought. ["Murderer"] Yeah, it's no good. But yeah, by all accounts, he was not abusive. He was not like a violent person. At least there's that.

At least there's that. We got a little refresh for us. But that's what got him talking to these creep passes and like getting into this whole thing. All right. So the three of them sat there and they're like, hey, who can we, you know, we can do this with insurance. Insurance pays out a lot of money.

What can we do? So they're looking around the bar and they're like Why don't we just kill Maloy and take out an insurance policy on them? That's really mean right and then they were like we'll just split it evenly among ourselves No one will notice because we'll just get him super drunk and he'll drink himself to death Which no one will be shocked about. And he was like, no. And then they picked him because one, he was a drunk and two, he was homeless most of the time, and he had no real connections. He had, he was from Ireland, he had no friends and family here to speak of. No, they thought this is a piece of fucking cake, right? Like quote unquote, perfect crime.

Yeah, and they were like, this dude has been drinking every second of every day for his entire life as far as they knew. They were like, he's probably gonna be weak. Like, he's probably falling apart as it is. Honey, he's Irish. Oh, how wrong they were. He is a biological phenomenon, this man. Wait until you hear what his body endured. Yeah, it's outrageous.

I remember I was driving to work one day when I listened to the original episode and I was like, everybody at work, hello. Like let me tell you a story. Can I tell you about Michael Molo? You'll have heard of this guy? No. Everyone was like, you're a hairdresser.

So you know, it's right. So July 29th, 1932. Pasquo went to the speak easy and literally just walked up to Maloy because they were like, we're gonna do this. We're gonna take out the insurance on him, we're gonna kill him. So he just walks up to Maloy and he's like,

hey, let's get you some insurance. You work for me. For what though? And he's like, you work for me? Like, you know, it's chicken happen. Let's do this, let's make this official. I'm such a great guy. And Maloy was like, cool, let's do that. Let's get some official. I'm such a great guy. And while I was like, cool, let's do that.

Let's get some money. Because he's like, all right, it's cool. Like these are his only friends. Like he's just like, okay, he doesn't give a shit. He's like, sure, get me insurance. Who gives shit? Can I sit here and drink more? Can we please put that on a shirt?

Sure, get me insurance. Who gives a shit? Sure, get me insurance. He stays, everybody's like, yeah, get me some mother fuck insurance. Who gives a shit? So he took gimme a shit. He's saying everybody's like, yeah, gimme some motherfucking insurance. Give me insurance, who gives a shit? So he took him and literally told the insurance guy. He was like, okay, he works for me. He needs some insurance.

Like what if shit happens? Right. And the insurance guy was like, okay, like how do you know him? And he was like. And the bomb. And Molo, I was like, Molo, I said, well, he's like one of my only friends.

I know. My heart. And then he's like, he did me really like solid by letting me sleep in the mortuary and he's giving me some odd jobs. And he was like, you know, like he's a really good guy. So he was like, who do you want to be the beneficiary of your life insurance?

And he was like, well, this guy, I'm not meant for this. Frank Pesquah. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. And they were like, even the insurance guy was like, well, this guy, I'm not meant for this. Frank Pasquo. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this.

I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this.

I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this.

I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not meant for this. I'm not life. Yeah, so he's the beneficiary. He put him down for it. And again, Pasquoise using the like he works for me. So I need the insurance. And but the insurance guys are like, I don't know, it seems creepy. And in fact, this one guy, like one of like the underwriter guys was named Charles Minervini.

And he said he was immediately dubious about what was happening. He was like, I love that word. Okay. Yeah, dubious. Phil, he always feels really good. You did buy a barrel. I did. But he was like, I didn't trust Pasquo. He was like, he gave me a vibe. I thought he was too slick. Yeah, I just didn't trust him. Well, the whole situation is just shady as fuck. And he even wrote on the back of the policy He wrote the applicant is to be employed by the beneficiary an undertaker who is to pay premiums This beneficiary desires this policy. He claims for his protection. Uh-huh. So he's already writing on there like Yeah, he's side-ying through his writing. He should have written at the end

Mm-hmm. MHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM this doesn't make sense, you don't need insurance on him. He doesn't really even work for you. Let's be real. So he goes, let's be real, Pasquo. So Pasquo goes back to the speak easy, and he's like, well, shit, and he's telling Marino and Kreisberry, like, they rejected it. I don't know what to do. He's like, I thought this was going to be easy. Like, I've done this a million times. I don't know why it didn't work.

Yikes. Now, another patron over hears this. And his name was Joseph Fremento. He was friends with an insurance agent. So he's listening to this and he's like, he doesn't hear the whole thing. He just hears like, oh, he got rejected. And he's like, oh, I think I can help them out.

Trying to be helpful. So he's friends with a guy, there's so many Josephs. He's friends with a guy named Joseph Perrecha. And Perrecha was an insurance agent with another company, and he was always looking for clients, so he was like, hey, maybe I can help you. Right. Now, he goes, so they try this whole thing over again

with this new insurance agent. It goes to the next guy, and it's rejected again. Come on. For the same thing, because even this new other insurance agency is like, ah. It's like, why do you continue to try? Because they, because they want this money. They've decided they are killing Michael Moloa and they are getting an insurance

payout. Ron, Michael, run, Tyreland. Run. So now they bought bartender Joseph Murphy into the folds because Pasquoah was like, I can't keep trying to get insurance under our names because it's red flags are going to start flying out. So, he's like, we also can't keep using Michael Moloi's name. We're going to have to give him another identity. Oh. This is how stupid they are because first rejection should have been like, you know what, this is too much real bad idea. This is too much trouble that it's worth like sign from the universe. We should just move on. Second rejection. Come on. Move on.

And then if you're sitting there saying we got to change his name and bring someone else into it, guys. No. Get on his hands. Just try a different job. It's not worth it. Let it go. Like, what are you doing here?

But no, he was like, let's bring the bartender into it. So he brings Joseph Murphy into it. And he's like, you have to try to get insurance form. We'll give him a different name. And he's like, so we're going to say that, you know, Pasquoah is going to call the insurance agent that he just got rejected by that guy, Joseph, what is it? Joseph, just Joseph. And he's going to call him and say, like, I know you guys rejected my insurance, but my friend is trying to get insurance for his friend. So he's gonna be calling you

and I just wanted to like recommend you. I just think that I'm like such a good experience. I'm literally thinking of like calling Blue Cross Blue Shield and being like, hi, so my name is Ash, but like my friend, Elena, her friend like Debra needs some insurance. So like, can you guys help me out? Like the other person on the line would be like,

can your fucking friend just call and get their insurance? They just be like, who are you? Like what? But past squat was kind of like a worker. He was a charmer. Yeah, yeah. So he was like, you know what, I think this guy likes me. I mean, his name's fucking past squat.

I think he feels bad that I got rejected. So I'm gonna kind of like put this out this. So he was like, you know what, I'm sending him to you. He's gonna try to get insurance through you. Okay. I want you to get the business. Yeah, like I'm such kinda like put this out this. So he was like, you know what, I'm sending him to you. He's gonna try to get insurance through you. Okay. I want you to get the business. Yeah, I'm such a great person. I'm such a nice guy.

So this Joseph guy had like weird blind face and pasquo. Oh, like, I don't know why he felt like this very genuine connection with him, but he was like, I will follow you into the dark. I guess it was just like pasqu qua, I'll be in past qua. It was past qua's way. Past qua just past qua's. I will die if that is not how you say his name

and we have said it so many times. And like how else would you say it? There's no way. Paesqua. Paesqua. There's honestly no other way I see this. Paesquee. And it's just so good.

Yeah, I love it. Paesqua. So he actually, this guy Joseph went against the insurance businesses rules and policies by agreeing to drop off the paperwork to be picked up later signed. No. Now, you're supposed to see the person sign it.

So you could make sure that this is all like that this is the person signing it. And he's like, no, so it's like, and this is supposed to like, you know, avoid like insurance fraud. That's the whole thing. This is the person signing it. And he's like, no, so it's like, and this is supposed to like, you know, avoid, like, insurance fraud. That's the whole thing. Nope, he was like, I'll just drop it off, it's cool.

It's totally like. Yeah, so they put the policy under the name Nicholas Mellery. So that was who Michael Maloy was now going to become. Nicholas Mellery. And they were using Joseph as like the guy trying to get it. This is so involved. They even went as far to get Nicholas Mellery, this fake guy, they got him an employment at a flower shop

without him being a real person. How? By using, because he used it, Pasquoah used his contacts, because again, he's the undertaker. Everyone knows him, the insurance people know him, because he works with them regularly. The flower shop is right across the street.

And he uses them all the time. He gives them tons of business. So he's like, can you hire my friend Nick who's never coming to work? And they're like, absolutely. Sure. How that went down. They just, these are his contacts.

They're going to vouch for him. So they did. And they had to, so as this is going through, they ended up having to bring in two other guys to this whole scheme. And these guys were named Anthony Tuff Guy, but Stone. Got the fuck up.

I'm gonna start calling you Alina Tuff Guy or Cart. Alina Tuff Guy. Tuff Guy. Yeah, he was a scary guy. He actually provided liquor to a lot of these speak-easies, which was very illegal. So he was in position, like some gangster mob shit. Bitch, I love that.

I know you will look, oh shit, literally. Fucking love that shit. He was a scary dude. And according to actually Pascua, called him, quote, a very bad character, a gunman. Pesquaw. Pesquaw. It's all called the kettle black. And the other guy they brought into the fold was Joseph Manglion.

Oh, the only Joseph in the entire show. Another Joseph. So Manglion was a tough guy, a criminal type. So like, we're really getting into the deep here. Yeah. For not a lot of money. It's like, everybody needs to calm down. Right.

The policy they were gonna get was gonna be $1,600. It's obviously inflated now. Sure. But they were gonna have to split it all around. I'm gonna look up what it was. I'm gonna look up what it was that. Like worth back then. Yeah, it was gonna be less than $300 each back then.

So, you already did it, bitch. But I mean, I mean, from back then. That's like, no, that's not. I was half listening, because I was groupulating. You already did a bitch. But they were able to get through all, you know, through all this shadiness, they were also able to get something called double indemnity.

And what this is, is it's a provision for payment of double the face amount of an insurance policy under certain conditions. That's a mother-fucking-loop poll. And one of these conditions is death as a result of an accident. Mm-hmm. So they were able to get the policy from 1600 to 3576. So now we're getting up there now.

Big money. I don't know what it is now. I'm so worried about that. You'll be able to go get out of the atmosphere and tell me so I said $1,600 in 1930 now and it said $1,600 in 1930 is equivalent in purchasing power to about 25,586 dollars and one cent today damn all right good money So what about three,576? Hold on a second. Because that's a significant amount.

What was the number? 3,000 enough to murder someone? 576? Uh, 3,576, yeah. 3,500. 56. Sorry. That would be worth.

It didn't pop up. It started getting more lost. It's a lot, guys. Sorry. It's a good amount. Yeah. It's a good amount. It's a good amount. I mean, it's more pop up, it started getting much more. It's a lot, guys, sorry, it's a good amount. Yeah, it's a good amount. I mean, it's more than 25,000 today,

so like a solid amount of money. But again, we say, not enough to murder someone. No, no money is enough to murder somebody. Now, these guys, I want to tell you right now, so that when all of this shenanigans occur, you can remember what they were referred to in the press later. Okay.

Collectively, they were referred to as the murder trust. Yeah. Doesn't that sound slick and like, ooh, the murder trust. It almost sounds like the brain trust, which is the farthest from what they were. Do you know what it just reminds me of? And this is exactly who we are as people.

So you thought the brain trust. And then immediately my head just went to the bling ring. My God. That's a bit. Honestly, that's about as... It makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. The bling ring.

Watch that movie if you haven't. They're horrible. But so great. Well, they all agreed because of this indemnity clause. Sure. They were like, you know what, it has to be accidental. Obviously, we want that insurance payout. So they were like, you know what, like we said,

drinking himself to death is really the only way. It's, they were like, this is gonna be easy. It's gonna, nobody's gonna question it. Is that technically classified in accident then? Yeah, in accidental death. So they would get that double payout. I feel like for Michael Moloi, that would just be natural causes. Well, that's the eights.

It wouldn't be looked at as intentional or anything, because he does it so often. Yeah. Yeah. Hey there, fellow podcast listener. It's Elena. And Ash. And we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa.

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He's like, that's usually how I do it. He literally was like, this is a lot of shit for murdering someone for money. Can we just kill him? But then you're like, no, because we won't get the extra money from the accident tough guy. Well, that's this thing.

It's like the rest of the brain trust, or I mean murder trust. You mean brain. You mean brain? Was literally like, hey, when we slip people's throats, it doesn't like scream accident, no. To a lot of people. So no.

You like to like, I picture tough guy like slam and down a whiskey and just being like, what if he was shaving? He was yelling. Yeah, screaming. He yells everything. Anthony tough guy bestone. Hey!

You can hear him down the street. I know it. Even when he's just telling you something, like I gotta go to the grocery store, he's screaming it at your face. He's so, and he's red, he's angry. It's like a wonder that he never got caught prohibitioning. It's true, it's a wonder.

But he did it. He did it. That's true, it's a wonder. But he did it. But he did. That's well, I guess he must have. You know, tough guy? Yeah, that's fun. But yeah, tough guy was pissed about it. He's like, I don't want to do this suddenly. And they're like, well, we have to.

So there was these other two tough guys that were hanging out at the bar. OK. Edward Smith and John McNally. And they were like, hey, we can help out with whatever you're trying to do. And they were like, OK, we can help out with whatever you're trying to do. And they were like, okay, but we, and they were like, that would be great. We think we know what we want to do. But if we need like extra help, we'll grab you. And they were

like, cool, we want a piece of the pie though. Yeah. And like, you know what you're doing. Sure. You can have like a small piece of pie. And they were like, nope, we want half the policy. And they were like, we're tough. We'll talk to you guys later. So it's too light. I don't know. They actually just left them on red. Yeah. Exactly. That's precisely what they did.

Yeah. They were like so fun to talk to you. Right. They're staying at 9 p.m. So they set out. They're like, all right, let's get them to drink themselves to death. Like, they huddled.

They did a chant. Who rock-hived? Who? All right, let's do this. They would, though. They're, they're one hundred percent dead. They're so pretty. And I guess, I bet they did it on a Saturday because they're for the boys. Yeah.

That was, that was, oh I love it. I love making you laugh so hard. That was pretty, that was a good one. But Marino decided he was like, okay, here's how we're gonna do it. He's like, Maloy's gonna come in and usually he gets a tab, but lately he's been not giving him his tab

because he's been running so low on funds himself for the bar. That he's been basically what Maloy was doing was he'd run out, do some sweet, sweet, sweet sweeping, and he'd run back in with a little bit of money, drink whatever he could, and that's what he would do. So he was like, I know. If I say to him, you've been such a loyal customer to me, and a good friend, I'm gonna give you unlimited tab.

He was like, Maloy's gonna fucking die. He's gonna be so excited. So literally he will die. He will die. He's gonna be so excited. Literally, he will die. He literally will. And so he comes in and he's like, Hey, hey, Moloi. Mikey boy.

So I've decided that you are just going to be able to drink for free whenever you want. Moloi did not question this. Why would you? He did not raise an eyebrow. I'm not gonna lie to you. I wouldn't question that. He was fucking psyched. Yeah. So he was like, let's begin infinite my ties. So he and it was infinite.

Because he just started knocking him back all day, nothing. But the thing was, nothing was happening. He was getting drunk a little bit. but like, this dude, that was his natural state. They were like, they literally were like, we were shocked, like we thought something was wrong. Because they were like, why is he not getting like very angry at it? It was. And then they were like, was he just so happy

that his adrenaline was like overriding it? He affects because he was so sick. Maybe. He was just happily getting toasty at the bar. Like, he was just like, yep, get it. This is great. I don't have to stop. So he ended up drinking a bottle of gin the first night

to the face. And then he just went to chill at the end, came back in the morning, started again in the morning, and drank all day until closing. But it did not leave the bar. Isn't that what he usually mostly did? He does. But he would kind of leave the bar? Isn't that what he usually mostly does? He does.

But he would kind of have to like, take some breaks. Maybe get some money. Maybe get some money or whatever. He doesn't have to stop. Right. He's just sitting on the, and he can have any liquor he wants.

Right. Now it's not like, oh, I can afford to talk to him. Talk to him. I can have whatever I want. So he drank all day, the second day until closing. I love though that this is backfiring on the mean guy.

Oh, it backfires Tony forever and always. It's just like backfiring forever. I love that's what it is. So the third day he comes back in, he starts all over again. Now he's drinking whiskey, he's drinking gin, he's drinking vodka, he's just mixing everything. Party. Party.

He left that just makes me think of that Katia clip where she's like party I think she was making fun of a door to Lano and I'm not I'm not sure that I just love that clip So he left and was totally fine like barely stumbling out the door after just Just piling liquor into his body. Oh my god And they're all trying to figure out this shit because they're like, this is gonna take forever. He's not dying. Well, we're gonna lose all our fucking alcohol. He's not drinking himself to death.

Like, what is happening? So they kept thinking he would die overnight because they were like, maybe, which I'm like, you guys are just sitting around being like, maybe he's just like puking all over himself and aspirating right now. Like, you're just sitting there being like, it's horrible.

Sure, hope he's dying of a terrible overdose alone in a gutter. Like, that's my impression. We're kind of stupid people, are you? So every time they would think he's just, you know, he must be dying in his sleep. Oh, nope. He was just coming right back again the next day.

Michael Malloy had a liver made of steel, bitch. Three more days, he did the exact same thing. Wow. A binge. I mean, he was just hard. That's going on right. That's right. So then they up the ante.

They start giving him different things, not just alcohol that you drink. They gave him turpentine. What is that again? That's like, uh, like, paint thinner. Oh, shit. They gave him some rat poison in it. Oh my god. They just kept mixing rat poison in it. Oh my God. They just kept mixing them all together and down the hatch.

They happily went, maybe that's the actual cure to COVID-19 is just drink. Apparently. All the time. Because then Marino was like, this isn't working either because they were just kind of mixing them into the alcohol. And he was like, no, we have to literally just change out his shots with like straight up something else. So they started giving him just straight

up wood alcohol, which is like in paint thinner in anti-freeze. Yeah. So they started taking his shots and they give him a regular shot of like whiskey, then the next shot would be a straight shot of like turpentine. I wonder if he had like burned off all of his taste buds or something with the alcohol. 10 milliliters of this stuff should blind you. Wow. Two to eight ounces should kill an adult. They gave him a few regular shots of alcohol,

then they just straight up switched to wood alcohol. Just every single shot, he didn't even flinch. He asked for more. He kept asking for them, they kept giving, they gave him several shots of this shit. He was drunk, but just left, came back to next day, totally fine. So they did the same thing. Shot so whiskey, and then shot so wood Elk Hall. They did this for several fucking days.

He drinks straight wood alcohol for days. And I can't even eat a fucking piece of cheese with that jelly. Literally. Like the ampest. Actually, right now. One night they said they watched him drink a quart and a half of wood alcohol in one sitting. In one sitting. And they were like at the very least he should be blind.

What is happening right now? At the very least he should be fucking like on the floor right now? At least he should be fucking on the floor seasoning. He didn't even have alcohol poisoning. Like, no symptoms of it. Wow. He was drunk, but he was like, he would just get up and come back here. He just was alcohol.

So finally, one night, he did pass out on the floor, like just crumpled into a ball. That's the other thing, I'm like, he didn't even pass out at the other night's place. No, he was still there. So he was appearing to like die. And they were like, the breathing was getting labored and they all just stood over him and watched.

They were like, with a timer. Because at this point it had been days and days and they were like, what the fuck? So they were like, they were just waiting. They watched. And then all of a sudden he began to snore. I love that. He was fucking sleeping.

He's just doesn't. He just doesn't know the more. And Dreamland, what the fuck is up? He's in. Like, Sandman has come. Ram. Enter Sandman. I love it.

It's, now they decide they're like, we gotta do something else, but again, because you know Anthony Tough Guy over there is being like, what happened to the road? I'm stuck! And they're like, no, we have to maintain the subtlety dude, We want that insurance payout.

So I don't even care. So now Pasquo was like, let's get him like a bad stomach ache. That'll be fun. Which I'm like, whoa, you took this into let's just like kill him and to let's give him a stomach ache too, that sucks. Because they're trying to like fuck him in the gut now. So they were like, let's do raw oysters soaked in wood alcohol. You had me until the wood alcohol.

And Pasquo said he saw a man who died after eating oysters in whiskey. So this, the brain power we're dealing with is like, whoo, after eating oysters and whiskey, he said that he died. And he thought what he theorized, Pesquale. He said he believed that the alcohol would act kind of like from aldehyde does, and it would preserve the raw oysters in his stomach, and they would just sit there and give him lots

of issues. Wow. But what I wonder, and what I wonder, I'm like, fellas, did any of you stop and maybe say, hey, Pesquah, why do you just want to give him food poisoning? Like what, what are we getting out of that except having to clean up vomit? I don't understand what the end game is. Well, and then he's vomiting up all the stuff that you're giving him, so that's a very counterproductive. Exactly. He's vomiting out the alcohol. So Pquoad to me, I'm like,

I think you're just like a little bit of like a, a satist here. Like you just want to see some bad shit happen. But they were like, apparently no one asked that. Damn Pasquoad. So Pasquoad was like really into this and they did it. Okay. He was totally fine.

Didn't even have a stomachache. And he got some fucking oysters. Yeah. Let's get in. They had to try a oyster so it didn't wantache. And he got some fucking oysters. Yeah, let's get it. Let's get it. The tray of oysters soaked in wood alcohol, and he was like, and he kept walking out every night, being like, I feel the best I've ever felt. Like he was like, I'm limbic.

I mean, yeah. Like Michael Lohan. So he had for days to yak up in there, to live in his best life right now. So they were like, all right, what's the next thing? A what? So Murphy was like, well, you know, he loves those sardine sandwiches that we sell.

And they're like, all right, how can we fuck with those? So they were like, let's just give him a rotten one, like a rotting sardine sandwich. And they were like, well, that won't do it alone. So they were like, no, no, of course. Let's like put poison in it. And let's also put carpet tax in it. That'll just tear up his stomach and his, like, everything.

So they also added bits of broken glass and pieces of tin can to the sandwich. That's horrible. Handed it to him. Motherfucker ate it and said, this is great. He's like, I would love another. He's like, I said pickles to this. I'm so mad at you, Chris.

You are killing it. Like, walked out totally fine. He said, what did I do? Not even a stomach ache. Nothing. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Wow.

Dude, he shards of glass, tin cans, and carpet tax and rat poison. He was in Michael Maloy's infinite. Yes. Like, what is the, is that the fault in our stars where it's like, what do they say that they say like together we are infinite or something? I never saw that.

I don't, the stars are infinite. I don't know. Michael Maloy's infinite, that's all I know. He's like the child like Empress. I don't know what you're doing. Michael Maloy is pie. He is, he just goes on. Yeah.

It's just, she's, I, it's truly outrageous. Reading this, I was like, this can't be real, and it's real. It's real. This is real. It's some real shit. So on the next, they were like, all right, what next? We can't kill him with drinking straight up turpentine,

like, time, we can't give him a ante-freeze. I hate that I just thought of this, but why didn't one of them just like run him over with the car by accident or like find somebody to run him over with a car? You should have been in the murder trust. I know, right? That's fucked up.

Keep that in mind. Okay. Because you might be a little on to something here. It's been a long time since I heard this case. I think you're in the murder trust. No, no. So they were like, what's next? Not the car, they haven't got there yet.

Don't worry, they do. Okay, maybe I like, maybe my mind to knew that I knew that. I don't know, I think you're in the murder trust with them. So I'm gonna go with that. It's me, I like that better. So then again, it's starting to get cold out. So on the next really cold night, they were like, let's let them drink till he passes out.

So they did that. Then they dragged him in the snow to a park and then poured five gallons of ice cold water onto him. That made me cold just thinking about it. And then they just left. And we're like, well, he'll definitely die out there. Which I would think that too. Yes.

They arrive at the speakeasy in the next morning, and who's laying on the fucking floor of the speakeasy in the next 40 who's laying on the fucking floor of the speakeasy asleep. I'm scared. I'm scared. Get the spits. Like, what come away? Like that dude. I hate that this shit happened to him because he should be alive today.

That would be what he would be. He would have lived to be 500 years old. Yes, he would have been still a phenomenon. Like a boy. He is. He's laying on the floor of the speakeasy when they come in and he's like, shh. You guys, he's have been still a phenomenon. I mean, he is. He is. He's laying on the floor to speak easy when they come in. He's like, shh, you guys, he's like, this would happen. You would never guess.

I woke up. It was so cold, but it's warm in here. So I'm good. I don't even know how I got there. And they're like, my dude, what? So now they're like, all right, we kind of figure out something. So then one of them was like, what a car? Yeah.

What if a car hits him? What if he stumbles out there? A car hits him. That's the easiest one before the sardines and the wood paint and the oysters and the stomach aches. I think there's some sadists among us here. And I think they just wanted to see some shit happen. Yeah. I think there was some like wannabe scientists who went the evil route and were like, let's just experiment. I want to see what's going on. So they got another guy, Harry Green, and he drove a cab for a cab company. So they offered him like 150 bucks,

and he was like, sure, I'll run a guy over with my taxi. Wow. Why not? Which I'm like, wow, what a ring of friends. So I want that under me. I taxi driver. I see sure I'll run a guy over with my taxi. For 150 bucks, that's fine.

That's worth it. So January 30th, 1933, they said they were gonna do it. They're like, let's do this. We have a plan, they had a real plan. Yeah. They crammed all seven of these idiots into a taxi with Michael Maloy after they had already gotten him super drunk.

And they basically brought him to a place, all of them together, then Maglione. And I think best stone at that point pulled him out of the car, stood in the middle of the road holding him up. And then just had green drive the taxi at them, and they jumped out of the way. Also did like, no one was gonna see us do that? That's, well what happened the first time was they actually had to move because one of them, I think it was Maglione yelled stop and made him stop because he was someone just turned on their light

at a residence. So they had to bring him somewhere else. They tried again, green missed him with the car. How do you miss a pedestrian with a car? Twice. Usually intentional. He misses them. Twice.

And then the third one, he finally did hit Michael Maloy. I had 45 miles an hour. I need to know about his taxi driving skills. So they said he hit the windshield hard. He rolled into a gutter nearby. So they were like, that's it. He rolled into the gutter and they were like, he's gone. Yeah. Let's leave him there. Everything will be cool.

Oh. So the next morning, they're like, waiting for the headlines, you know, body discovered. Yeah. No, never, never. Michael, no, damn thing. No. So they were like, what the fuck? So they went back to the spot. He's nowhere to be found. And they were like, what the fuck? So they went back to the spot. He's nowhere to be found. And they were like, what the fuck?

So they were like, okay, you know what? Maybe he crawled away somewhere to try to like get help or he crawled away to like be alone or something. Yeah, we're just gonna leave it. That somebody will find him. He's definitely dead. But there's starting to panic, because now a day or two is going by and nothing's happening.

So now they're like, well, we need to find someone that resembles him, and we need to put his identification card into their pocket and commit even further fraud and an additional murder. Wow. Yep. So it's now this whole thing of like, let's get a few like thousand dollars for murdering someone easily is now turning into like multiple murders.

Like a full-blown like second job. Like, like faking diets. It's a lot. It's like HH homes, but like the generic version like like Mr. Pib, like all- Like the opposite version. That very, very off-brand version that you like, I don't even know if that's edible. Yeah, no. That's what this is. You know, Mr. Pimble.

So February 6th, they go out looking for a fake Mike Maloy because they haven't heard anything still. Right. They finally find a guy and they agree they're gonna take this guy out. Cause they were, they were shocked at how much this guy resembled him apparently. Just as random guy.

Just random guy, 31 year old Joseph Patrick Murray. And he had moved from Ireland as well. I was gonna say, when you said Murray, I was like, what do we have against the Irishman out there? What do we have? Yeah. What is this about? Tell me a little bit about that.

Well, he said on this day that Joseph, so Murray said that he was looking for work and he had stopped into the speak easy to grab a drink. They approached him and they were like, hey, are you looking for work? I heard you're talking to someone and he was like, yeah, so they were like, oh, we can offer you some work doing these odd jobs around here. And they were like, cool, that's awesome. They were like, first, let's celebrate this new employment of yours.

Let's drink. So they had him drink until he was passed out. Then they put the card, the identification part in his pocket and loaded him into green's taxi. Oh my god Then they tried to do the whole thing like the whole fucking hitting him with the car thing that they did with Maloy but It was light out and there was too many people out

So when they started to do it, they were like, we should probably put them back in and wait for a little while. Yeah. The most bumbling idiots I've ever seen in my entire, this is the most unsliccast crime I have ever seen committed. So they just bring him back to Marino's speakeasy and like dump him on the floor for a little while, wait for it to get dark and for people to go inside

and then they're like, okay, let's do this again. Oh man. Yeah. And to know know what their wives were thinking about where they were. So they did end up, they did the same thing with Murray, and they hit him at 30 miles an hour. Hush. Yeah.

And the thing that really got them though was they didn't look around well enough because a shop owner named Vaelin Jenkins witnessed the entire thing. And must have just been like, what the fuck am I witnessing? What the fuck is going on? Like, they're holding him up in the middle of the street. And then just running out of the way and then jumping in the car.

I've never seen a wheeling on like this. So he called 911, who showed up right away. He also got their license plate number. Iconic. So he was brought to the hospital as, again in his pocket is an ID card for Nicholas Mellery. Right. He was there for 55 days with internal injuries, five broken ribs and a concussion. He survived. I'm so glad. Yeah. So Pasquois is still not letting this go. Pasquois not letting all this, he's like, nope. He contacts a doctor who he usually

has sign off on his death certificates for his business, the doctor that lives across the street from him. His name is Dr. Frank A. Menzelah and he was like, listen, doc. He offers him some money and he says, when we call you to a death scene soon, can you just pronounce the guy dead? And can you pronounce him dead of pneumonia and sign this certificate? Well, like no questions asked. And this guy's like, sure. Which is all right. Like where do you find a doctor like that? So the plan was this. Marino was going to find a room that they could rent, like some kind of like, tenement house or something. The only thing that this had to have was a gas line in the room,

which I guess they used for like lamps and stuff. So, yes, because I first was like, why would you have a gas? I just had the room to have a 30s. But I didn't even think about that. I was like, oh, is that terrifying to be found? It really is. So, they were thinking what they were going to do

was get this guy, bring him up to the room. They were going to gas him to death It really is. So they were thinking what they were gonna do was get this guy, bring him up to the room. They were gonna gas him to death. Because that's harder to detect. I just can't. Yeah. So then they were gonna get the doctor up there. The doctor was gonna look at him and go, oh no, pneumonia.

Signed off. And then boom, they get the license. Life insurance policy. Oh yes. They're still for that. They're like, we're getting this one way or another. So five days later, Michael Maloy walks into Marino's Speakeasy.

He had been at Fordham Hospital with broken bones. Motherfucker survived. Yeah, he did. He was found by a police officer in Brat to the hospital. They said, quote, he was covered with blood. His head was all cut. His clothes, quote, he was covered with blood. His head was all cut. His clothes, face, shirt, and everything he had on was all covered in blood. I asked him for his name, and he told me his name was Michael Malloy. That's what the police officer said.

He also didn't remember anything that happened. He didn't. He's so wild. So he was not suspicious of his friends at all. I did not even. I really hate that. I hate it. Because he didn't even connect them to it. He remembered nothing of that night. So he was like, guys, kill me. He's never believe it. Someone hit me with a car.

I mean, while they had tried three separate times, like what? They're like, yeah, we did. So now they're back on their bullshit to kill Maloy. Because now he's back. So they're like, cool. We don't have to worry about it. Look like anymore. Let's just go with the original plan. But bullshit to kill Maloy, because now he's back, so they're like, cool, we don't have to worry about it, look like anymore, let's just go with the original plan,

but let's gas Maloy, now. Well, I hate that. This dude who has survived, how many attempts on his life by these bumbling assholes in this brain trust? Right. And now they're just gonna gas him to get that fucking payout? He deserved to live.

He did. I mean, everybody does. So February 22nd, he's in the speak easy and they challenge him to a drink off a couple of the guys. If I was Michael Maloy, I'd be like, boys. Oh, he would ever rather do I do like, guys. Yeah. That's when my suspicion would raise.

I'd be like, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, no, me? Have you been, is it, uh, hello? Hello, is it? I ate a sardine sandwich with taxidence. Okay, let been, is it? Hello. I had a start eating sandwich with taxidance. So, let's be real. But, but, Maloy was just psyched to be like hanging out. He thought that they were bonding.

Yeah. He thought these were his bros. Exactly. And so, one of them is just drinking whiskey, and they're giving him the wood alcohol again. Yeah. Because they're trying to get him fucked. So, he finally does start getting like really drunk

and he ended up drinking two quarts of wood alcohol. Wow. And then he did pass out and they said he was actually frothing at the mouth. Oh, really intense. So they dragged him to the room that they had rented. They were and it was Joseph Murphy who was like bringing him in. And when the land lady was like, uh, what's this about? He was like, Oh, this is my brother and he's

like really drunk, but he's also really sick. So I just need to get him up there so he can rest. And she's like, cool. So they got him in there. They had a rubber hose. They secured the rubber hose to the gas line, stuck the other end into his mouth while he was passed out, wrapped a towel around his face to block all his airways, and then just turned on the gas. That's so horrific. Yeah. And at one point, they actually stopped because Kreisberg was like, I don't know if I can do this. It was Kreisberg and Murphy who were in the room.

And Kreisberg was the one turning the knob. He's the one with three kids, and the one that's like, it's a little late for that though. Supposedly a good father and husband. He's a knock. And you can tell that this guy is just a giant wimp. Oh yeah, and he's just a wimp, and he's clearly, I mean, how do you get there?

How do you get there? I don't even want to. You can't get there and then go, oh, no, I don't want to do this. Like, honey, your hand's on the knob. You've stuck a fucking hose in his mouth and now you don't want to do it. And now you don't want to do it. You're here, right.

It's like you don't get to pretend that you have a conscience suddenly. All of a sudden. But Murphy was like, dude, if you don't turn that back on, we're all gonna get it. Right. These guys were like getting pissed at this. This was obviously frustrating all of them.

They all have mob ties and criminal world ties. No world ties, especially told me. And they've all made it pretty clear. If this doesn't go off like a hitch and one of you fucks up, it's gonna be you. Right. So Murphy was like, I don't wanna get got, like you just turn it on.

We're already here. And so he turned it back on and Michael Maloy finally died. Oh, so sad. So they pretended he was still drunk and sick and they called Dr. you know, Dr. Manzella. You know, Dr. You know, Dr. So he comes in, they tell the landlord, oh,

Lent Lent Lent Lent. The landlord, Lent Lent Lent. That's what I would want to be if I was a land person. I just did you say that? I just really want to be a land person. I want to be a land person. But yeah, so they tell the landlady, like, my brother's sick,

so I'm having a doctor come check him out. So the doctor comes, he's pronounced dead, and he gives Pasquo the info for the insurance, and he wrote the cause of death as pneumonia. So he did everything they had to. Fuck that guy. So now everything is going smoothly finally.

For a while. And it's happening. He was promptly buried because they got to get him in the ground. Right. They got him in the ground because also who's the undertaker? Who are you going to call? Frank Pasquo. That's who you're going to call for. That's what you should never call.

So Pesquat, now that he's got that all taken care of, he goes to the insurance company to collect. Oh, of course. The insurance agent said, cool, cool, cool. When can I see the body? Oh, no. And he's like, huh?

And then he's like, well, it's already buried. And they said immediately ding-ding-ding, red flags went up. They were like, nope, we're supposed to see the body, bro. Like, you're an undertaker, you know that. Right. So an investigation immediately started. The insurance people were like, no police, hello. Like, something's weird.

They eventually, it is, I really recommend you read this book because they go in a great detail of how this all happened. They eventually connected them all through the insurance fraud and just the sloppiness of this whole thing. And they all started turning on each other. Right, and they were all like,

some of them were confessing, some of them were saying they didn't have anything to do with it, but they listened to somebody else do this. Murphy cracked first. Of course Murphy did. He gave it all. He just gave it all. He was like, I got kids. And then, Kreisbury, or excuse me, Kreisbury.

That is not his name. That sounds like a serial. That's the newest wild-themed Barry. Kreisbury cracked immediately. And he was like, I have kids. And I didn't want to get killed. And they kept telling me I would get killed if I didn't do it.

Like, he's played that whole thing. Marino stayed silent. And he was like, no, I didn't do it. I don't know anything about this. I don't know him if I didn't do it. Like he's played that whole thing. Marino stayed silent. And he was like, no, I didn't do it. I don't know anything about this. I don't know him. I don't know them. I don't know anything. But then he was faced with everybody else confessing.

And they were like, yeah. Like we know you're like the head. One of this, like maybe. So he did start like letting things out, but it was mainly making him look like he didn't have a lot to do with it. But he was just kind of like, he just fell into it. Yeah. Passquah was stonewalling. He was like, nope, I don't know anything about this, but then he fucked up. Oh, what did you do? I forget. Because remember, he was supposed to not,

you know, this whole Michael Maloy and Nicholas Mellerie thing. They're not supposed to know that this is Mike Moloi. Right, it's supposed to be Nicholas Melleri. Nicholas Melleri. So they started talking about the doctor and how he knew the doctor and how the doctor knew Nicholas Melleri. And he says, he was like, how did you know that this doctor was on this case?

Like I know you know the doctor, but you're not supposed to know that he was on this case. Like I know you know the doctor, but like, yeah, you're not supposed to know that he was on this case. And he was like, Pesco says, I know it for a fact. And he said, how did you know it? And he said, because Maloy told me. And he was like, you mean Mike? Like what do you,

and he did that like he was like, you mean Mike, like to try to get him to be like, yeah. And he said, yes. Oh, and then he goes,, you mean Mike, like to try to get him to be like, yeah. And he said, yes. Oh, and then he goes. What an idiot. You called him Mike. And he was like, oh no, you know what? I, mellery, like we used to call him Alois sometimes

because like I heard it wrong the first time. Like, no, I'm talking about Nick, not Mike. And he's like, nope, you're talking about Mike Maloy because you just fucked up. Right. Right. Now I know that it's you. Right. Like he totally fucked himself up. I. Now I know that it's you. Right. Like, he totally fucked himself up. I love that.

That's like Scott Peterson when he was like, oh yeah, like my wife was and everybody was like, it's like, excuse me. That we don't know. We don't know. That's the last tense. So immediately. Shit went down.

They everybody started confessing. They all got caught. I love it. One of the newspaper articles at the time said the headline was, Insurance Murder, trust seen in a rest of five for man's death. It says, barring the most unbelievable details of an alleged murder trust's cold-blooded killing of at least one man and a gruesome plot to defraud insurance companies, District Attorney Samuel Foley today

announced the arrest of a Bronx undertaker, and four others for homicide, and a former Republican alderman from Harlem as a necessary. That's the doctor. Oh, what is it? Yeah. The success of that investigation was attested by the appearance of the accused men in the lineup

at police headquarters this morning, and the fact that two others are now being detained as material witnesses. Because now they're getting all the other people that they involved in this. Of course. They were all found guilty, all five of them, and they were all sentenced to the electric chair. Wow. And on June 7th, 1934, they were all put to death. Gemini season bit. in 1934, they were all put to death. Gemini season bit. Now, one other headline I'll just leave you on

because like this was huge. Oh, of course. It was for the New York Times, May 13, 1933, and it was entitled, Insurance Murder, Charge to Five, Tale of Horror is told. And it says, five men were charged with murder, and two others were detained as material witnesses yesterday. After an inquiry into charges, that a derelict man had been murdered to collect, and it says $1,788,

for which the defendant had insured him. A story of horror was unfolded by the police, and the DA Samuel J. Foley of the Bronx. It concerned a man who proved so hardy of life that another man with a false identification card almost was done to death as a substitute. The authorities were admittedly skeptical two weeks ago when they were informed of the plot, but their first search for proof not only uncovered the murder of Michael Maloy, a former stationary fireman, but led them on to clues that indicated a woman may have also been a victim.

And that was me Bell. Right. How do you call me? So that is the story of Michael Molloy, the mother fucking indestructible. The aka the dirt mic, the durable, which I love. I love her. I love iron mic. I love mic, the durable.

What did they say? So, so what of life? So hardy. So hardy. So hardy. I love that. I feel like the idea is so What did they say? So, so what of life? So hardy. So hardy. He's so hardy. I love that. He's the hardy of so hardy.

He truly is. Ed Hardy thought that he was hardy. No way. Mike Moloi was the hardy. Mike Moloi is the hardiest. The OG hardy. That story just blew. And that's like an overview.

Like read this book. Go look it out. Because it is, whoo. Like all the intricacies of these insurance scams are like crazy. I love it. It's so crazy. I wish that Mike didn't die though. I wish that the ending was like,

I know. And they tried again and somehow the gas didn't even like the word do it. I know. I would have loved that. I know. But I feel like he earned it. He must be a vibern, where he is.

He is. I bet he got reincarnated as like something diesel. I bet he did. I don't know, like an oak tree. Like an oak tree. But I want better for him. I do too. Not that I have anything against oak trees.

No. If any oak trees are listening, like we're not, we love you. That's really funny. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

We would never talk shit about Oak tree. I'm screaming forever. Okay. I couldn't catch myself first. I can't. I love it. Oak tree. Alright, but we hope you guys keep listening.

We really do. After that whole Oak tree bit. The Oak tree specifically. I hope you keep listening. We hope you Oak tree steep. I hope you're supposed to take it. We hope you, Oak tree. Keep it weird and oaky. But not so weird that you do this. Yeah, no.

Not so weird that you do any of that. Don't kill my people. Keep it, Mike. Make my lawyer weird, though. Yeah, keep it real weird. I mean, make me don't for your personal cause. I was gonna say yeah Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple

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