Morbid - Episode 239: The Long Island Lolita Case with Special Guest Bailey Sarian

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Alena. And I'm Bailey Sarian. And this is like the best episode of Morbid. You're ever gonna listen to it? Yay, I'm so excited! We are so excited to have you here. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thank you. No, thank you for inviting me and thank you for like shouting me out a handful of times

throughout the podcast. I appreciate it. Everyone's letting me know. They were like the morbid podcasts. I've listened to them. You have to listen to them. They mentioned your name and I was like, oh my god, are you serious? I love it. I love it. It's just a big love fest up in here. It is. But we're just fan-girling over here. Yeah, straight up. So, while we're just fan-girling too, so we're all just fan-girling together.

Love it. Love it. We love it. Hopefully the listeners are fan-girling too. And there you go. I hope so. Hope so. I know.

I know it's so funny, because we were just saying, before we started recording so many people have been tweeting lately. like, oh, like, we would love to, like, especially since your podcast just aired, like, now it's going to happen a collab between you guys. And I'm like, oh, maybe someday. And I'm like, yup, it's happening. I know we've been like, I don't know.

Maybe it's all hope. Who knows? I'm trying not to answer them, but also just be weird about it. And just like, I don't know. Just be like vague tweeting at everyone, like maybe with like a little like. Exactly, exactly. There's some sparkles at the end of it always.

Always, that's my signature. I love this. Sparkle. Yeah, I love a black heart and a sparkle, was usually what I sign everything with. It's a good amount of email, but sparkly at the same time. Yeah, it's exactly.

You got it. The perfect size of your personality together. Yeah, that's sparkly emo kid. It just translates into ash. You got a rock symbol in there. That's my favorite. That's always my favorite. Yeah.

I love it. But we actually, like we mentioned, you have a new podcast called Dark History. And for the maybe like two people listening who don't know who you are, or know what this is about, do you wanna tell us a little bit about it? Get people to say it. Two people, hey, yeah. They love you too.

Guys, listen up. So I just started this podcast called Dark History, which maybe you guys have come across this when researching True Crime, but I know I did on my end when researching for my murder mystery makeup. I would come across a ton of stories that happened throughout history that were just insane, like so brutal. I wanted to talk about it, but it kind of fit into the true crime space.

And I would always just come across a bunch of stories that I'd never heard of. And it's like, why do you not hear about this in school? I don't get it. It seems so important to just our American history. I don't know. So I was like wanting so bad to start another series on my channel, just dedicated to all history stories instead. And then it was presented to me like, why don a podcast everybody's been asking for a podcast And I was like, okay, let's make it a podcast version So this time I'm just sitting down talking about history throughout well, it's kind of like world history a lot of American history as well But just stuff that you've never heard of but I think is really important and then obviously there's still that kind of true crime side to it Because there's a lot of there's a lot of murder going down.

Oh yeah. A lot of hotelies. A lot. So much nonsense happening. So many like synanigans. Yeah, and it's just like so wild to think of. And I don't know, I feel like it's just stuff that we should know though, because it actually still happens today.

A lot of the stuff we talk about, it's so wild. Like history repeats itself for sure. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it's just mind blowing how spot on we are as humans, like constantly just eating. And it's like, wow, we've really learned nothing. That's what we're learning after all this time. We're still doing the same things.

Yeah, we are still fighting over the same stupid shit. Oh, can I cut? Sorry, I didn't even know. Oh, absolutely. Oh, okay, sorry. Go for it. What? Yeah.

So we like welcome that. Yeah. It's still, we're so embarrassing as humans. It's like what are we still upset about? Exactly. Because it happens to us all the time. We'll do a case, like a more recent case, and all of a sudden we'll be like,

you know what, this is exactly like that weird case we did from like the 1860s that we covered. And we're like, why are people still doing this shit? Like why is it the exact same thing? It's right. Yeah. It always is the same thing. It either has to do it with religion, love,

or like a woman getting out of hand. Yes, it always. It's always sprinkled in there. And jealousy, all that stuff. Yeah, always. And then just, of course, hate with history. It's just all racism. That's all it is.

Like that's everything. Yeah, that's so true. It's so random. It's like, okay, so we've just hated people forever and that's just what we're doing. Okay. We're not gonna roll. Yeah, we're not gonna just try and work together.

I thought that would be like the winning piece here. I don't know. Seriously. We're all just gonna rest on those laurels so we didn't see where it takes us. I know, we're all surviving now. We might as well just keep going on this dark path, we're down.

It's so funny though, we're saying that because all surviving now. We might as well just keep going on this dark path. We're down. It's so funny That's like we're saying that because when we were in Salem yesterday We went to go like do all like the witchy stuff in Salem and they were like oh like basically everybody just hated These people and said that they were witches and it's like think of all the other times that that's happened Oh, yeah, it's all the same thing. Yeah, nothing's changed. Yeah, they have a whole exhibit like modern day witch hunts now Yeah, oh really? Yeah, and it changed. Yeah, no. They have a whole exhibit, like modern day witch hunts now. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

And when you see it, it just is like, yep. And you're like, oh, the same thing's still happening. It all goes hand in hand. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's a really cool exhibit, though. Everybody should go to Salem. Yeah, I really want to go. For sure.

It's really, it's like, it's heavier than you think it's going to be when you go there. Yeah, because there's a lot of fun, like the whole city is like witch-themed and you know, witch-stuff. And everything has to do with it. And it's like super like, you know, kitschy and fun. But then when you go to like the real historical places, you know, like the memorial for the victims and all that, it's like, all of a sudden you get like,

whoosh, you just feel like. This is not exactly fun. This is like, very, very sad. This is super tragic. But I think everybody should go seeosh, you just feel like. This is not exactly fun, this is like very, very sad. This is super tragic. But I think everybody should go see it, because it's amazing. So it goes from like being Disneyland and you're like, oh yeah, wait, this is a real story.

Like, yeah, like, oh, this, because it doesn't feel real the entire time you're there. You know, seeing these things, seeing all the witch stuff, it like never rings true. And then when you start hearing the stories and you go to the graveyard, you go to the memorials and you're like, wow, this really happened to 19 people. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. It's so wild. Yeah. I highly recommend it to anybody. That's my little plug for sale in Massachusetts. A little special year is just something like a little bit happier. You know people know you for doing makeup on YouTube and putting it into a true crime

kind of space. How did you think to kind of combine those two things? So well, do you remember the Chris Watts case? Yes. Yes, it's mandatory for everyone to know that. They're going to know that. Yes, absolutely. I was obsessed with that case and I would stay up until four or five in the kitchen. Yeah, it is the absolute worst. I was like obsessed with that case and I would stay up

until four or five in the morning trying to research everything thinking I'm gonna solve it. This is before everything came to light, but I was like figure out like what happened. And I just had all of this built up knowledge on the case and I had nobody to talk to you about it with because no one in my family gives a crap like I do. Not that it's a bad thing but like I'm just obsessed with it. Oh yeah. So I just made somebody to come and say right with. Yes.

That's why we needed each other. Exactly. We're in like the ghouls. Uh huh. Yeah and you just like I need to talk to somebody about this. Yeah. So then I was like okay I'm I'm just gonna film a YouTube video where I'm doing my makeup so it makes sense

to my YouTube channel because I was doing all makeup tutorials, but then I'm gonna talk about the Chris Watt's case and like see what happens. And I was kind of nervous at first because I thought the feedback is not gonna be good. So I kept stalling for a while and then finally I was like, okay, I'm just gonna do it and see what happens. And like within the first 24 hours I had gotten like 60,000 views and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna do it and see what happens. And within the first 24 hours, I had gotten 60,000 views

and that for me was like, yeah. Cause I was averaging at maybe 10,000 views and 60,000 was like, oh my God. That's huge. Yes, I was like, this is it. I am quitting my job. 60,000 views. I'm not coming in today. I have 60,000 views. I'm not coming in today.

I have 60,000 views. I'm sorry. New life. Okay. New life. But I was like, okay, maybe it's just a one-off, you know, because that was such a popular case. So I was like, let me just try it again with a different story I know.

And I just kept going. And here I am. I'm just still going, trying it and it's still working. It's so good. It's so good. It is such a perfect mashup of two things that you don't think would go together. No. Because I remember I had not, I learned who you were through Ash when we first started this actually. Yeah. It was like way long time ago. And I was like, that, what? Like, that's crazy. And then I watched the first episode and I was like way long time ago. And I was like, what, like that's crazy. And then I watched the first episode

and I was like, this is amazing. Why does no one else done this? This is like, this is like peanut butter and jelly. It's supposed to go together. And it's so funny too, because like I would listen to True Crime Podcast like while I did my makeup. And then I heard about you when I was like,

I can listen to a True Crime Podcast and get a makeup tutorial. I'll let one second, Like, that's amazing. It's perfect. Yeah, so fun. It's still like, it kind of still doesn't make sense, but the same time it does. It just works.

And I was like, the key thing was, for one, I never really wanted it to be about the makeup so much. Like, I don't acknowledge the makeup, because I felt like, okay, that would be crossing the line. If I'm talking about someone getting chopped up, and I'm like, ooh, this highlighter. Yeah, you know? Like, so I try to like never really mention the makeup so much so I keep it more about

the story. But I think the makeup makes sense because it kind of gives you something to watch too and you're like, where is this going? Like what is she doing? So that's true. I think you do a really good job of like balancing it. Yeah, which honestly I kind of hate that I did this to myself because doing our makeup at the same time as telling a story is frickin hard.

I always think of that. I'm like, I can't even like, remember to make eye contact with Elena most of the time when I'm telling her a story. Like I can't imagine doing a video and being like, putting on a full face. Yeah, in fact, there was a point where I had to make sure Ash had nothing around her

to like hold on to and like tap on the thing or something. Or something because like while we were doing the recording. I have the worst ADD ever. And I end up like picking things out of the couch. Like I could never do something focused while I'm focusing on telling a story. So I don't know how you do it because multitasking. Seriously. I can barely do my makeup when I don't have to tell a story while I'm doing it. I don't know how you do the two. I know. I feel like there's some days I'm like, oh, I got this. This is easy. And then there's other days where I'm just tripping up left and right and like, who's John Jacob? We look great. We look great. You know what? Hold on a second.

There's so much to like go back. And like, because when we record, it's like, if we need to stop really quick, we just hit stop and we're like, boom. And it's like quick, but you have so much more going into it. So it's like every time I watch it, I'm like, so much went into this. Seriously. And no one knows, but so much went into this.

Yes. Yes. People think it's just like me saying down for like 30 minutes and I record and then I upload it. I'm like, no, okay, it's like four hours of footage of me. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait, what? Where? What? And then like, how do you like days and days of editing? Yeah. I can't imagine. No, it's the research that takes freaking forever. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We know all about that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's fun, though. Do you guys really enjoy it? Oh yeah.

It's so much fun. Because like you said, I think we were saying, again, before we started recording, you just fall into these like little holes and you're like, oh my god, it's like 5am. And I've been here for like seven hours. OK. I know. And then it becomes a thing where you get so invested in one

case, like you start being obsessed with it, even more and more. So you start going further and further and by the end of it, you're like, I should get back on track with this. with this because I need to make an episode instead of just like going crazy and do yeah or you like I think you know the episode and then you start looking into research and you're like wow I know nothing like so many layers to this that happened so well. So I even tell it yeah oh yeah that actually happened to me with the case that we're going to talk about today we're going to do the Long Island Lolita. And I thought that I knew this case

because I had seen like I was telling you before the lifetime movie. Oh yeah. And I was like, oh, I know everything. And that's all of it. That's all I need to know. I thought that's my research. Like the crown, it's real.

Yeah, it's fine. But then I was looking into it and I was like, oh my, oh, okay. Like there's a lot that I did not know about this. Oh yeah. Just crazy. The name alone, like we were just talking about it. Long Island Lolita is so scandalous sounding.

Yeah. And it focuses entirely. We were saying before we started recording it, but it focuses entirely on the real piece of the puzzle. I feel like it's a good reminder as how far we've come, because I think we forget. But the media used to be so much more mean to us women. Right? Oh yeah. Like vicious. 90s was like prime time to just like hate on women in the media.

Yeah. We're just the worst. It was another witch hunt. Oh absolutely. I mean just look at Britney Spears. Oh yeah. Yes. Yeah. It was vicious. It was disgusting. And like looking back at this case, I'm like, oh my god. Because I remember following the story and then thinking wow, what a slut like what an awful person She ruined the marriage and now that I'm older because I was young back then I'm like now that I'm older. I'm like, oh my god. We did her so wrong this whole Child she's a child and I was the exact same way when this first came out I was young and so you hear it in the media and the first thought I had was like How dare she?

Like this is just like you know, it's and it was focusing on the wrong part I was like how dare you sleep at that married. Yeah, it's like no, there's a pretty big other part Yeah, I need to focus on there's a lot of there's a lot of things in here that we need to focus on Absolutely. Let's a lot of things in here that we need to focus on. Absolutely. Let's get into it, guys. Let's do it. All right, so Amy Fisher, she is the Long Island Lolita. Now, she was born August 21, 1974.

Her parents were Elliott and Roseanne Fisher. And she grew up in Merrick, New York, which is about 30 miles away from where Joey bought a Foucault and his wife lived. Oh, boy. So she was 16 years old when she met Joey. It was the springtime. I think it was May of 1991. And he was the owner of a car shop, and it just so happened that they were going out there to get the family car fixed.

So Amy and her dad drove to Joey's shop, and it was the first time they laid eyes on each other. It would have been like a really cute meet cute if Joey wasn't a 38 year old married man with two children and if she wasn't 16. Yeah, it would have been great, but he didn't like with her dad and with her dad coming in to get the family car fix. Exactly. Now a little bit about it's a lot. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times, or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed? What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings

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And Ash. And we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa. You know when you would come home from high school and it was only a few hours until that TV show, everyone was watching was about to come on. Well, in 1999, that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

In our podcast with Wondery, the rewatcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we take it back to 1999. So get out your knee high boots and paste that poster of Angel on the wall. It's time to enter the Buffyverse. Some of you avid morbid listeners already know what we've gotten store. Join us. Join us as we sway our way through Buffy's drama, action, and romance. Episode by episode. Slacy. Follow the rewatcher, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, eirin, eirin, eirin, eirin! A little bit about Joey and Mary Jo, though. He had married his wife back after they met in high school. They actually met in summer school and I thought that was like the cutest thing ever.

I was like, I feel that real hard. But they had built a really nice life together. He worked for his family's business and then eventually ended up acquiring the business. They were like making good money and they had a nice life. But in the beginning of things, they were kind of like just dabbling in drugs. Like they were again really young when they got together. And Mary Jo found out that she was pregnant and she was like, okay, I'm done with that life, obviously.

Like I'm not going to do that anymore. And she had never really become addicted to anything in the first place, but Joey on the other hand was having a really hard time trying to transition into his life as like a family man. And he kept like doing cocaine pretty regularly with his friends. And Mary Jo was like, yeah, like if we're gonna have a family and be married, you can't be doing that. So she just like threw an ultimatum at him. And it was his family or the drugs. Luckily he chose his family the first time. Hey, one good thing. One positive with Joey. And he went to rehab and he ended up getting clean. And once that was over, he came home to the, or he came home and was the old Joey that Mary Joe, like remembered meeting. She had no idea though that Joey and

Amy would eventually become involved with each other. And once the truth started coming to light, she actually stood by her husband for years, still trying to like only believe the best about him. Mary Jo was like a little angel. She's like the nicest woman ever, I feel like. Yeah, that breaks my heart. It's so sad. So after seeing Joey, Amy pretty much became obsessed with him, and she decided to bring her own car into the shop. At the time, she was driving a Dodge Dakota that had seen it's like fair share of accidents.

I think she was a very bad driver. And then, so Joey agreed to fix it up for her. But then she continued getting into accidents on purpose, being like, oh, I just have to go to Joey's shop again. And he can fix up my car. I didn't even know that. Yeah, she actually like, it's one of it later on. Really?

That's cool. Well, I mean, when you're 16 and you're infatuated with someone, you go out of your way to find the job to see that. You can get to great lengths. I remember when I was in middle school, I liked this one boy, and I would walk by his class at the same time like every day And I'd be like looking back on that now. I'm like wow, that's like psychotic that I did that's so creepy

I did the same thing. I would be like oh, I'm just in the area Crazy at the same time every day. Yeah, it happens to be near your classroom And my classroom may be on the other side, but who's just getting my steps in today? Chris Quack. Heart health is important, the cardio. Exactly. I did the same exact thing. I would come down actually after lunch a certain stairway because a guy I had a crush

on, we used to work in the office during that period. So I could just, and it was literally to walk by to look at him. Oh, yeah. Like not even to have an interaction. And like hope that maybe he saw you in your cute outfit that you prepared for weeks. Yeah, as he was like filing papers. Yeah, yeah.

You know the great lengths. Young love. I know, we're so dumb. We're such little stalkers when you're a teenager. We are. I know, looking back, you're like, oh man. It's a right of passage. Yeah.

You need so much fun while you're in it. Yeah. It's part of development. You learn so much fun while you're in it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's part of development. Yeah. You want that behavior's not okay when you're adult. Exactly. You're like, OK, I won't stock them anymore.

Right. But Amy was full on in that whole stocking period of her life. And actually, her dad got to the point where he was like, yeah, Amy's a pretty crappy driver. So you know what, here's my card. Just fix her car if she gets in an accident. Like, I don't want to deal with it. So she was good to go. And she was telling people at school that like her and Joey were a thing and every chance she got she would stop by.

Eventually, and I don't really know like how it all happened, but eventually one thing led to another and they ended up sleeping together and then entering a full blown affair with each other, that last day to almost a year and a half. And it's hard because I don't really want to say that like they slept together because she was like a child and he was an adult. So it's like, he did rape her, you know? Definitely rape. Definitely.

She is not of age. No. And he was horrible to her. He was not only like a crappy husband, but a shitty boyfriend as well because he refused to leave his wife, which like is a good thing, but a shitty boyfriend as well, because he refused to leave his wife, which like is a good thing, but not when you're having an affair. And then the other thing was that,

like Amy would ask him for money sometimes, and he told her instead of asking him for money, that she should become an escort, and she would make plenty of money. And then she ended up actually doing that, but it was like him who got her into it. As a 16 year old. As a 16 year old. as he's 16 year old.

So sad. That's so bold way too much influence. Seriously. I mean, on the morning, oh, sorry, that was going to say it's sad because for her, she's just looking for some kind of validation, some male approval. So she's just doing whatever she can to like please lose her. Exactly. And if he's telling her, this is what you need to do, or this is what I want you to do. She's going to do whatever it is. Yeah, totally.

She just wants to keep like doing whatever's going to make him happy. Because I remember an interview with, I think it's Amy, where she went on to say that her father was just like really awful, that they had a really terrible relationship. Oh, so good. Yes. Yeah, and she said that she was terrified of him and that she became like sexually active at a young age getting like involved with older men and it makes sense to the overall story like she doesn't have a relationship

with her dad so she's trying to get love and approval from these older men who in her mind she's not putting the dots together yet but like it's her dad that she's trying to get it from right. Of course. Right. And then this Joey guy, he's like the definition of her dad. He's awful. He's an asshole. He's just using her and she's just trying to like get that approval from him. She did awful things, Amy, but like, you know, this is. was so young. Yeah. Yeah. The frontal lobe wasn't even developed yet, guys. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously there is some trauma back there with all that. And it's yeah. Yeah. And she's been groomed her entire life clearly. Oh, absolutely.

Trying to please this awful man. That is her father. And so then it just like just translates right into if she's not getting it from him like like love and affection and approval Support and love and all that then she's gonna go looking for it for someone else And she's gonna seek out the exact same person. Oh, yeah, she wants to write the situation even though she doesn't even realize it Like you're saying like she's not gonna go find a nice guy and try to please him and try to make him happy and proud of her. She's going to try to make this situation work. Yeah, like, like, an over again. The cycle always repeats itself.

Oh, yeah. So sad. And it seems like her parents kind of just wanted to like, buy her love. Like, when she was 16, she got a brand new car and then like, the dad was like, Oh, yeah, here's my credit card. Like, she gets into accidents a lot. It's like, not going to teach her to drive. Right.

Or spend time with her. Exactly. It takes to like, take this as an opportunity to drive, but I'm gonna spend time with her. It's actually take this as an opportunity to bond and spend some time together. Exactly. Just, here's my card. Next time she slams into a tree, just fix it. Yeah.

It's like maybe we should be a little more concerned here. Yeah, let's do a driver retraining course, Amy. Take it as an opportunity to get a closer to your daughter. When you're a teen though, that's like the best dancer ever. Like, oh, you can fix it? Nice, like I'm not a credit card. Here's the credit card.

Yeah, I would have loved that. I got into so many accidents when I was younger and I was like, oops. Yeah, it's amazing though. Look, when you like get past that age and you look back at like what would have pleased you, like just getting the credit card to fix everything back then and then you get older and you're like, oh my like I learned anything so bad yeah why did I think that way

because you're dumb yeah front to low bad it's working on getting smarter that immature brain yeah but on the morning of May 19th 1992 that's when everything went down so Amy was driven to Joey's house after pretending that she was sick so that she could leave school early But she rang the doorbell hoping that Mary Jo was home and when Mary Jo came to the door She was like, oh, what's up? And Amy told Mary Jo that her name was Anne Marie and she was there to tell Mary Jo that Joey was actually having an affair with her little sister. Now Amy was an only child like this None of this was true, but I think she was kind of trying to be like,

your husband's a piece of shit, you know? Engage the reaction. Exactly. So looking at Ann Marie slash Amy, Mary Jo was very taken aback because she was like, if he's having an affair with this girl's little sister, like how old is she because she looks super young?

Like how old is the girl that he's having an affair with? Oh. So the whole situation though just fell off to Mary Jo. because she looks super young. Like, how old is the girl that he's having an affair with? Oh. So the whole situation though, just fell off to Mary Jo. Like, I think she was like kind of catching on that she wasn't telling the truth because she actually asked Amy where she lived and Amy said one street, but pointed in the direction

of like another street and Mary Jo was like, yeah, no, like that's definitely not something's off here. Something's up here. And also why is she showing up to be like, hey, my little sister. Yeah, no, like that's definitely not something's off here. Something's up here. And also why is she showing up to be like, hey, my little sister. Yeah, exactly. I had a affair with your husband. So I'd be like, why are you telling me this?

Right. And then the whole situation, like adding an extra layer felt off because she could see that there was a black thunderbird parked behind and Marie slash Amy. And she was like, she saw like a young guy sitting there and she was like, this just feels like super, super weird. Now, so Mary Jo was like, saw like a young guy sitting there and she was like this just feels like super super weird Now so Mary Jo was like how old is your sister and Amy said that her little sister was 16 and she had proof of this affair And while she said that she lifted up a shirt from Joey's auto repair shop that

Obviously it was like kind of a smoking gun and she was like I found this in my little sister's bed So Mary Jo's like yeah, okay, so there is something here to this. And she asked a couple of follow-up questions, but she just wasn't getting anywhere with this girl and she was like, you know what? I really don't wanna deal with this. And she said she remembered making like a smart ass comment and then turned to walk away.

And at that moment, Amy lifted up a gun and shot her in the head. God. So wild. It is. It's so what? Like the escalation that happened, it's like, why? And you have to wonder, you're like,

why did you go there and like say, you know, your husband's having an affair with my little sister? Because it seemed like the whole thing that she wanted to do was like kill Mary Jo anyways. Yeah. So it's like, I just don't understand that layer of it. Maybe she wanted her to like

it maybe in some so I'm just totally like spitballing but clearly I don't know what's in her head but it's like maybe she knew she was gonna kill her and she didn't want that weight on her shoulders of she's gonna know what I did right before she dies. Maybe she wanted to throw it on someone else and somebody who doesn't exist. Yeah. So she could kind of clear in some warped way because obviously there's some stuff going on up there. Absolutely. Some warped things. And it's like maybe in some warped way she wanted to like clear that conscience a little

bit. Like take away that guilt she had. I could see that. Or like, you know, we were just saying like she needed an adult in her life to like tell her, you know, like the right and wrong thing to do. So I almost wonder if it was like she was going there and like she didn't realize it, but what she wanted was like Mary Jo to believe her and like help her out of the situation or something. Yeah. You know what I mean? That could be. Like finally an adult will like help me instead of me trying to like please

these adults and get nothing in return. Yeah, or hearing this adult maybe like, show some kind of like concern for like the right person in this situation. And I mean, like not automatically condemn them, but be like, this is awful. So, I'm gonna help. Do you think if she would have answered differently, like believed Amy, like, oh my God, it's happening.

Do you think she still would have shot her? I don't know, because I, Loki just came up with that theory right now. Oh, okay. But that's really interesting. But it's a good point, yeah. I wonder, like, cause you, yeah, yeah.

I wonder if her answer was different if she still would have shot her. But I thought at that point, like, Amy had gotten an STD and from Joey, and then she asked him to leave his wife. He said no and then she was like, well fine, I'm going to kill your wife. And then. So I saw like so many varying stories as to like what it was that she was like, I'm going to kill your wife. I saw that version. And then I saw that she, he was like encouraging

her to kill his wife so that they could run away together and be a couple, even though, I don't even know how she thought that was going to happen though, because it's like you're 17. You haven't even graduated high school, you live at home, like, how is this going to work? Well, in these kind of situations, I'm like, you can get divorced. It's cool. You can separate. But he wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. But that's what kills me. I'm like, it doesn't work. When you kill the spouse, it doesn't work. Like when you kill the spouse, it doesn't work. Like I don't understand the thought process of like, it's gonna work.

Like this is all gonna be fine. I'm gonna shoot her in the face and broad daylight in her home in front of her house. And no, it's fine. We just gonna live happily ever after. Yeah. Yeah. And for Joey to like encourage this and be like, nothing's gonna come back to me. Yeah. Nothing will be traced back to me. Yeah.

Nothing will be traced back to me. I've done nothing wrong. Yeah. See, I don't think he encouraged her. I think she just said that. Like, as a kind of, using him as a scapegoat too, like if we're going down, we're going down together, kind of thing. I wonder if he said it off handedly. Like if he was like, I mean, he's a character. So he might have. Who knows if he was just like, oh, we just killed her. It would be so much easier, you

know? Right. She took, she's young. She's a very, she's going to take anything he says as Bible. So it's like, I think, I think he definitely maybe added a suggestion like maybe my wife wasn't around. We could be together. But exactly. Since she's here, that's not going to happen. And so that that's about her teenage brain connected that as like, I just gotta get rid of the wife and then he wants to be with me. You know? Yeah.

She was like, he's subconsciously, like he's giving me a little code here. Like even if it was just like, she's like, oh, like I got it, wink, wink, wink. Oh yeah, because again, you read it to like everything that thought it. Oh yeah, and she was immediately like, the eagle flies up in the night.

I'm gonna do this. Exactly. Yeah. So either way, she shot Mary Jo right in the head, and Mary Jo fell onto the front steps, just like bleeding out on her own front steps. And Amy Fisher ran to the black thunderbird being driven by Paul. I think it's Guagenti, is how you say it?

That's so ruthless, dude. It's cold. Because the other thing is, I mean, obviously we know that Mary Jo lived, but she was fully intending to kill her. It's amazing. Let Mary Jo survive to this attack. She's gonna let her just die on her door,

like bleed out on the front steps. So together, they sped off and it was a really quiet neighborhood, that's the other thing. And I'm like, that took a lot of balls. You just sped off out of this quiet suburban neighborhood. Now, after that, neighbors heard the gunshot and saw Mary Jo collapsed on the front steps and obviously called 911 and she was rushed to the hospital

by a med flight. Like I said, like 52,000 times she survived, but she obviously didn't come out on skates. Her jaw had been shattered. Nerves in her face were like destroyed, leaving her face partially paralyzed, and actually her carotid artery was severed. Damn.

Which is weird. I feel like the case that we covered earlier in the week is like parallels this case a little bit. Yeah, that's true. It's weird. And the bullet, like I said, is still lodged in her neck to this day, and it's just an inch away from her spine.

So if that had ever moved, she was a possibility, it could move now. Oh her spine. So if that had ever moves, she was a possibility, it could move now. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And I live with that. Recently, she was having a lot of health problems. And I think that might have had something to do with it. And did you just have to live with that, like, that piece in there for every live? You just like, you just know it's there. And it's just always like reminding you what happened, like what horror looks terrible. I mean to get shot in the face and survive is like, first of all, it's unheard of.

Unheard of, okay. The fact that she's still alive is groundbreaking. I can't. Yeah. Iconic is a great show and Icon. I mean, survivor. great show and Icon. I mean, a survivor. Okay. Yeah.

Literally. And then to have to live with half a paralyzed face, you're having to deal with all of the stuff you're going to have to learn how to do again. One is always just a constant reminder. Yeah, I mean, she goes through having her jaw wired shut because if that jaw shatted, they're going to have to wire that jaw shut. Which they did. Which they did.

Which they did. She went through so much shit and she did nothing. They're gonna have to wire that jaw shut. You're gonna stay dead. They're gonna throw a straw for months. It's like, yeah. She went through so much shit and she did nothing. Yeah, she literally was just like raising her husband's children and trying to be a good wife. You know? Could you imagine like every time you looked in the mirror, you were reminded like, oh yeah, my face looks like this

because of my shit husband. Yes, you know. That's all I'm thinking of. And then how do you not like, oh my God. And then to stick by his side too, like you have to give her, I mean, you then how do you not like, oh my God. And then to stick by his side too, like you have to give her, I mean you obviously question it, but like you don't know what was going through her head

and it's like, yeah. To stick by him, it's like, it's just wild. She's a better woman than I am. I don't know if that's better or we're, I don't know what that is. I can't, I literally can't figure out what it is. I don't know how I feel about it. I can't.

I think it's just the time though. You know what I think it was like her, was raised and everything and like the culture of everything. Yeah, totally. But when Mary Jo's family, including Joey, got to the hospital, they were told that the chances of her surviving were very, very slim. And even if she did, she would most likely be blind, deaf, and paralyzed. So it was Mary Jo's mother who made the decision to actually have her be operated on. And she was operated on for over seven hours

to see if they would be able to remove the bullet, but obviously we know they weren't able to, but they weren't able to save her. Now she woke up after the surgery to a nurse just telling her everything that had happened. She was like, she was literally telling me, Mary Jo, you've been shot, you've been shot. Oh, like no one wanted to give her a minute.

So maybe she's seriously, that's what I was thinking. I'd be like, maybe we can have a discussion about when we tell her, how we tell her. Right. Or even if we're gonna tell her right off the bat, maybe we could say it in the calm, soothing voice. Like she probably has a headache after all. Say it in a very like ASMR voice.

And just do it very close to her ear. Mary Jo, we need to talk to you. Wake up. There's something to tell you. Mary Jo, we need to talk to you. Wake up. There's something to tell you. Yeah, seriously. So it's crazy. And then everybody is like, Joey was asking, who could possibly have done this?

And it's like, you don't know who could have done this. Maybe your teenage level. And at that point, Mary Jo, excuse me, Mary Jo still couldn't speak, obviously, because you said her job was wire-chut. But she was motioning to them that she wanted to write something down when they were asking like who did this? And she wrote down 19 year old girl Ann Marie complete auto body t-shirt because Ann Marie slash Amy had told her that she was 90 Yeah, the truth was that she was 17 and obviously we know her name was Amy

Now the t-shirt started to become like the main focus of investigation at this point. And it was actually a new t-shirt design that Joey had only given to one customer because it was like being printed. And that customer was Amy's dad. Wow. Elliot Fisher. That is lucky.

It's been in. Everything in this case seemed to just like fall into place somewhat. That's why I'll be serious. Seriously. Right, dumbass. How many of you miss that? But like thank God he's such a dumbass.

Yeah. Thank goodness. In some extents, you know? Yeah. But so that happened. And then they showed Mary Jo a picture of Amy while she was in the hospital. And Mary Jo was totally certain. She was like, that is the girl who came onto my doorstep and shot me in the face. Talk about like reliving trauma right away. Seriously. Here's her face,

right in front of you. Right. Now, Joie said that he only knew Amy from the shop because her father was a customer and he had done some work on her car as well, but that's the only... That's it. That's all how they knew each other. That's it. But Amy was arrested after the police asked Joey to call her and ask if they could meet some more to talk. And I think the police were like, there's a lot more to this story, so why don't you hop on the phone with her? Now Amy obviously jumped at the chance to see Joey, hopped in her car to speed over to him, but this whole thing, as we know, was a setup and the cops arrested her within minutes.

Now she was held for 12 hours and like wouldn't confess. And actually she didn't go home that night and her parents weren't alerted that she had been arrested. Oh, it wasn't until the next morning that they got the call. John was like, I feel like that's a little illegal. No, that's so good. But she's 17, right? Isn't like technically- Oh, is she 17 now? She's 17 now, yeah. So wasn't she technically- Yeah, but what would it be? So they don't have to tell her- That's true. I guess that is true, yeah. I never got she technically? Yeah, but what would it be so they don't have to tell her her parents? I guess that is true. Yeah, I mean, I still think it's fucked up because she's Yeah, of course, but legally yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was a little loophole. They were like it's fine

But she said she like wouldn't confess anything and she said that Joey knew well Okay, so she wouldn't confess anything at first and then finally they got her talking and she she was like, Joey actually knew that I was going over there that day to kill his wife and he encouraged me to do it. And she said like a couple different things because then she said that the gun went off unintentionally after she and Mary Jo had been arguing over it. And everybody was like, yeah, that doesn't really line up with like anything that happened here, so I feel like you're lying. And then I saw like another version where she said that she hit Mary Jo with the gun

and she didn't mean to. And that's when it misfired. And that's how this happened. It's so hard not to hit people with guns. Yeah, it's really hard. It's like, why did you have a gun in the first place? Yeah, you just accidentally hit them with it all the time. I feel like the police, the other thing is they wouldn't have known like what the hell was going on

if this all hadn't happened. Yeah, because you'd be like, what is happening here? Well, this next part I think really helped them out because Amy had a friend called Chris Drellos from school and she had asked him to help her take out Mary Jelik. She was soliciting multiple different people to do this for her or do this with her. Now, he was like, yeah, I don't wanna do that, but I'm gonna introduce you to my friends, Steven Sleeman.

And I have a friend who will totally do that. I know, I'm like, why do you- Why do you friends who will do that? Why do these high schoolers have like hitman friends? I don't- Why did he know that? Like, I don't have a friend that I'm like, I won't do it.

You know who would definitely do it. Like, my friend will definitely help you kill someone. Yeah, I don't have them over there. I don't think I know anybody like that. What are friendly. You guys need to get out more. Right. I know.

I got lots of friends on co-on- I feel like I'm ready to kill someone. I feel like I won't do it. Yeah, I won't. This person will. I don't know if they like it. But I got to love this. I certainly have a friend.

Let me help you out though. Like, I'm not helping you on like the big way. Let me help you out though. I'm not helping you on the big way. I'll help you out small stuff here. You know? Now Steven Sleeman was the first one to go to the authorities. He was a 21 year old guy. He was working as a waiter. And he was known to just be a very immature guy, obviously.

People said that he acted a lot more like a teenager than he did like somebody who was in their early 20s. Now he met Amy through Chris and that whole thing was set up. Amy apparently, she never admitted to this so we're just gonna take it for what it's worth. But she offered Steven money and sex if he would kill Mary Jo with her. Now together, they actually stalked Mary Jo's house

on multiple occasions, trying to get her routine down. That always freaks me out, man. And the rackets somebody doing that. She just doesn't know, she's just like doing, which, man. And the fact is somebody doing that. She's she doesn't know She's just like doing like which probably vacuuming the kitchen You know, you know, I just vacuuming the kitchen. I don't think a lot people She's vacuuming the kitchen. She's just doing her daily activity She's vacuuming the front line. vacuuming the curtains. Just no Liam always yeah, vacuum

She's mowing the carpet. It's fine. She's mowing the carpet. Just household things. Just as a housewife does. But so once they had a routine down, Amy had the idea to ring the doorbell and act like she was selling candy bars for like a school fundraiser. And she was like, Mary Jo, well she didn't say Mary Jo. She was like, it's crazy.

She was like, I only have three left and like I've been trying to get these sold all day. Like can you please just buy them from me? Like, and Mary Jo being the sweetie that she is was like, oh come on in, hun, like I'll sell them to you. Or I'll buy them off of you of course. Off you go. Now what Mary Jo didn't realize was that Steven Sleeman was waiting in the front bushes

aiming a rifle her way. Damn. So originally, like he was going to kill her with a rifle. I didn't know that. Wait, is it on the same day or a different day? This is a different day. This is before anything happened. So she had been there, like inside of the house,

and Mary Jo didn't put two and two together until like years later, when this all came out. Oh, way. Yeah. Oh, and just wait, there's another thing too, that you guys are gonna be like, what, that revelation, having that all of a sudden, be like, oh, yeah, she was in my house before.

She was in my house before, and then luckily, Steven chickened out. He was like, I can't do this. He freaked out. But that wasn't his only attempt at helping Amy off Mary Jo, because the day before Thanksgiving in 1992, he actually fired two shots into the Budapest Yuko's living room. What?

And they never connected that until like years later when he admitted it. So Mary Jo filed a police report and everything and they just kind of assumed that it was like teenagers in the neighborhood or something like that. I can't believe how many times she has survived a scrape with being murdered. Mary Jo was not meant to go down. No. It's so, and the other thing is that they say she just has these blinders on like girl like how are you not putting these pieces together

Honestly, I feel like you got a star being like there's happening when there's three attempts on your life at this point like Yeah, I just feel like you wouldn't you notice someone following you? I don't know that's because I Always so creepy part. I'm so observant. I'm always like looking around and shit me too You know, that's because I swear I always feel creepy part. I'm so observant, I'm always looking around and shit like. Me too. You know, I'd say, most people. Most people have to. This is like my job and I'm oblivious to all of that.

You are. I get out of my phone on my car, I do everything that we tell people not to do. Oh yeah. I am like a crazy person, so I definitely know everything. My head is on like a permanent swivel. Like I know everything around me. Yeah. But I know that like normally, if you're not really thinking about it, that's me. Most people just walk with their phone, their head on their phone and

we have no idea. We have no idea. They just not paying attention, just walking straight into their house without looking around. I am like looking around. I check everything. I'm insane. I'm getting better, I think. I try to get out of the car and not be on the phone just in case. Yeah, it's important. It's great. If you're gonna go, you're gonna go, I guess.

Yeah, just leave your life. Yeah, it wasn't Mary Jo's time to go. It wasn't her time. No, no, apparently not. Yeah, so like I said, she didn't connect to these incidents until years later when he admitted it. And now after Steve and went to the police,

Chris came forward and told his story. Now shortly after that, another man who I guess was unidentified came forward with a sex tape that had Amy in it and he said that he met her while she was working as an escort and he had no idea that she was underage. Oh boy. So this is all like piling out in the tabloids,

like everybody's talking about this so all this new information is coming forward and it was beginning to come to become like pretty clear that there was a lot more to Amy Than anybody really knew about yeah, like she was definitely involved in a lot of shady shit for sure So this guy came out with he came out with footage of him having sex with Amy Yes, in other words, he came out with child porn of him having sex with Amy. So in other words, he came out with child porn. Literally. Exactly. But I guess because he did, well, if she hadn't been involved

in this like attempted murder case, I think that guy definitely would have gone to jail. But I think it was because they were like, she's the long island, the leader, like she's seducing men everywhere. I was 16 year old. That's so fucked up. You know what I mean?

That's beyond. That's why like in the beginning we're saying, you have to keep in mind that this is a 16, now 17 year old girl. This is a teenage girl. And that they're ignoring this piece of child pornography that they're being presented with because they're like, cool, it helps our case.

Awesome, thanks for that. Crazy, it's like, yeah, she's not awesome, but she's a child. She looks all right. So that was right around the time when this started like going crazy everywhere and that's when she was dubbed the Long Island Lolita. And like we were saying in the beginning,

unfortunately Mary Jo was like totally pushed into the shadows while the case was unfolding because everyone was so obsessed with Amy and Joey's alleged affair. And Joey would tell anybody who listened, he even got into it with Howard Stern at one point that his whole role in this thing was like, not what the press was making it out to be.

He was like, I never touched her. We never had intercourse together. Like, this is all a lie. It's like, I don't know why he thought that that was gonna work. Yeah, because he's an idiot. Yeah, exactly. But the public was having a hard time believing

that he wasn't involved with Amy, at least in some sense. And especially because her lawyers were working like over time to paint their picture of her as like this young innocent and pressurable girl who she was, you know. But that was all going on. But unlike the public, Mary Jo stood by her husband like I said, because again that's how she was raised, like she was a Catholic girl and she was like I was raised to stand by my husband no matter what like and The other thing is she's recovering from being shot. She still is a bullet in her head

She probably just wanted to get past this whole thing. Yeah, she's got she's still got children to take care of it Yeah, young children a lot actually She sent her kids to school that day. I watched the ABC 2020 on this it's called growing up but a few go and She sent the kids to school that day. I think her daughter was nine and her son was a little older. And it was the first day that they were allowed to ride their bikes to school and it was like a big deal. And her son started leaving and then he came back

and he was like, Mom, I just don't feel like something's wrong today. And she was like, he was like, I don't want to leave. And she was like, no, no, no, like, do you have your lunch? Like you got this, you got to go. Like you got to get to school. Whoa. And he was like he it was like he knew something was going to happen like a premonition. Oh my god that's really creepy. That's not crazy. Yeah so do kids have like little

psychics? It's disturbing. They always know they do. They know things, see things. I was the creepiest little shit when I was a little creepy kid. I used to see ghosts in my parents house all the time, and tell everybody, and then weird shit would happen, and they'd be like, oh my god, she's right. And you were like, yeah. I was like, what's the kid from the sixth sense? Oh, yeah.

I was cold. I saw the lady with no body. She was just made of bones. She was just made of bones. But Amy, after she was arrested, her family was approached actually while she was in jail. And they were offered $80,000 for the right to their story. And I guess the son of Sam Laws had just

been deemed unconstitutional, like a couple months before this. And those are the laws that say, like, you can't benefit off of your story. Yep. So by the skin of her teeth, Amy got out of jail, used that money, and was bailed out. Yep. So by the skin of her teeth Amy got out of jail, used that money and was bailed out. Wow. So crazy. Now she also entered a plea deal where if she pled guilty to first degree

assault versus attempted murder and kind of told them a little more about her relationship, she would get a reduced sentence. So the night before she was set to plead guilty, she visited her new boyfriend who was a 30 year old guy who owned a gym named Paul Makley, and she asked him if he would marry her. And you're like, wait, why? Now it was because she knew that she was heading to jail soon, and she wanted to be able to get visits with him, but at the time she wasn't going to be able to unless they were married. So they got her on tape telling Makley she was gonna try and change the laws when it came to this all happening because she wanted to keep her name in the press.

What? Now they have her on tape saying, I want my name in the press because I can make a lot of money. I figure if I have to go through all the pain and suffering, I'm getting a Ferrari. Oh honey. It's like you just tried to kill a woman. Nobody's gonna give you a Ferrari anytime soon.

You just literally maimed a woman for life Wow, and her main concern is getting a Ferrari. Yeah, yeah, I mean She's I guess I kind of am playing devil's advocate here because I could understand her Yes, it's so yeah teenage brain. It's right in line. That's all you care about is like getting money and like getting a Ferrari Those are my goals. No. I want to do. Yeah, it's want to be rich like a name and That's all gonna be yeah, that's obviously her goals and she's fucked up Yeah, I think she wanted to be rich and she wanted to be famous It's true because you really don't think of and especially she's not gonna think of like this woman and what she's

Oh, no, of course her rest of her life. You're not thinking past like yourself from now. Yeah and what you're doing. It's like, it's all about your schedule. And I'm so sure she kept telling herself like, well at least she didn't die. You know, like I didn't die. Oh absolutely. Yeah. I think that was a huge part of it. And it's like, well you you definitely meant to like you shot her in the face. So what happened if she did die? Wow. Look into a teenage brain. It's truly something. Now pour Amy though, guys, because she couldn't even go to a restaurant without the reporters bothering her. So she literally asked the judge if she could be sent in sooner because she couldn't

go anywhere. So she might as well just get it over with and go to jail. If you can't get brunch again, a 16 year old mindset. Now Amy's lawyer told the judge, her home is being staked out by reporters, which is like, yeah, maybe don't shoot your lover's wife on the face and that won't happen. Kind of part for the course. But the judge did let her get sentenced early. And ultimately, she pleaded guilty on charges

of first degree assault, not first degree murder, or excuse me, attempted murder. Thank you. And the judge sentenced her to five to 15 years in prison. So she would be eligible for parole after five years. Now when the sentencing was read, the judge compared Amy to a quote, wild animal that stalks its prey, motivated by lust and passion.

And he also was like, yeah, it's like whoa. It's a lot. And he also was like, you may see yourself in America, may see you as a celebrity, but this court does not recognize you as a celebrity, like you're a monster. All right. It was a lot. Theatrical, I feel like that was also for the tabloids.

Good. Like, there's clearly something wrong, like, in with her mental state, if this is what she thought was gonna be okay. Like, maybe we should focus on getting her some help because the whole point is to rehabilitate people. Yeah. So it's like, well, maybe we should focus on that. Yeah. Especially when they start so young. Like, you got to do something here. Seriously. So she was, she served seven years in prison at the Albion Correctional Facility in New York.

But she wasn't the only one that served jail time. The guy that drove the getaway car, Peter Guaganti, I think it is, he was arrested and he was convicted in connection with the crime. And because he not only sold Amy the gun that she used to shoot Mary Jo, but like we know, drove her to and from the crime scene. So he got a sentence of four months because early on he was cooperative with the police and he told them what they needed to know. So he got a reduced sentence. I feel like four months is not enough. And after selling a murder weapon and being a getaway driver, being the getaway driver, I just feel like that's so how did she get there was a connection with him to get the gun? Was that from Joey? That wasn't from Joey. I think she knew him. I don't know exactly how she knew him. She was in

a contact with a lot of different men. I think she just like shady characters. Yeah, just shady characters. I mean, she had an older boyfriend too at the time, so I think it was kind of just she was around. She was in her connection. Yeah, exactly. Paul and the strings. Exactly. But then Joey actually finally got got because they were trying to get him in the beginning on statutory rape charges. But they did. Absolutely. That's what I've been waiting for. Like, yes. That's what you've been waiting for. You're going to get mad because at the beginning, they were just like, they wanted this. But then the other side was like, well, Amy's not reliable and like this isn't gonna be

a case that we can do this with. But finally, so he went on tour, like trying to clear his name. He and Mary Jo appeared on Larry King and just like every other daytime show that you could think of. And people who knew the real Joey and the real story, they were like, enough is enough, like this guy's an asshole and he's just trying to become famous. And they were like, you know what, we're gonna out him.

So his co-workers outed him because they said that he would come into work and like brag about his sexual relationship with Amy, who was 17 at the time that he was raping her. Oh, fuck it, pay me. It's unreal. So once that information came out, they were like, okay, well, we're definitely gonna go after him. I'm glad his coworkers were like, no.

We're just gonna say this. No. But he took a plea deal and he pled guilty to the charge of statutory rate. He was sentenced to the maximum that they could give him for that, which was six months in jail. For statutory rate.

He also got a $5,000 fine and five years probation. It's like, what is he gonna learn in five months? Like, you know? Yeah, damn thing. I can't. I can't. And he didn't. And especially with things like this, with like, you know,

statutory rape and he kind of like pedophilia and stuff, it's like, that's not gonna do anything. No, it's not gonna do anything. That's not gonna do anything. Because they're only gonna get out and just do the exact same thing. You get five months, that's like nothing. Nothing. And he said the only reason that he pleaded guilty

was because he was out of money and ready to put everything behind him. But that like wasn't the truth because he's still going on with this story like right now. Like he's probably talking to somebody about it as we speak. It's ridiculous. He's like, I'll never take responsibility for it either. Like he's probably talking to somebody about it as we speak. It's ridiculous.

He's like, never take responsibility for it either. Like he's wrong. No, he won't. And anything he says, he'll give you like one sentence and be like, you know, we did this. And that's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm saying. And it's like, no, like you owe us a lot more than that.

He wants to take ownership of the story and the narrative, but he doesn't want to take ownership of his role in the story and the narrative. He just wants to own this thing and be able to talk about it whenever he wants to be able to gain from it. But he never wants to be like, yeah, it was a literal, like a pivotal role in this whole thing. Absolutely.

And he actually, he wound up in jail again, not too long after his release because he was in California, and he solicited sex from an undercover cop who was like outside of an ice cream shop. Damn, so like breaking any legal. Damn. So you break your parole like the second you get out. So I mean, I would bet I would bet money he's been doing this for a long time.

I was literally just going to say that. It's clearly a pathology for him. Absolutely. If he's going that far, it's like break your parole for it. He's been doing this for a long time. Oh, and he will keep doing it. He has that vibe about him

where he just is like a charmer. Like he feels like he can get out of anything clearly. Yeah. Like Mary Jo was telling a story on the 2020 that I watched. And he was like speeding around like in the water one time on their boat and a patrol boat was behind him And for some reason everyone on the beach was like let Joey go let Joey go and the guy did so he just learned like Oh, I can do whatever the fuck I want him. I'm Joey, but if you go you know gross

It's like how do you get out of that from like just a beach of people like I don't understand. That's wild That is wild. But by that point in the whole story Mary Jo's obviously depressed and at this point She said that she was suicidal and now struggling with a drug addiction because she'd been on pain meds and everything for so long and This is just a horrifically depressing time in her life. Yeah She was super lost, but she didn't want to break up her family So to get away from a violence break up her family. So to get away from the island break up the family. It's fine. I know. I don't know why she did it. It is for the best. It's great. Get up girl. It's broken already. It's like it's the bandage. It's far past the point of fixing.

Like we're not going to tape these pieces back together. It's being held together by like spit and gum. Just let it fall apart. It's okay. Like everything's, everyone's gonna be better for it. Seriously. But instead they were like, you know what I think we need to do?

I think we need to get away from Long Island and move somewhere very quiet where there's no media. Like California maybe. It's a good choice. It's a very cool place. So they move to California. To get away from everything. It's like, it's a big, Eddie sense.

That's what you do. Where'd they go in California? I'm not sure where they went in California. I'm like, there are some little bumble-downs. Who's gonna see if you can hide out in? It is a giant state. I don't think that they really went to one of those, I don't think they're meaning that.

They're hiding out. As Joey was trying to get photographed any chance he could. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't think so. So they were probably in like LA or something. Probably in the middle of it all. Actually moved to Hollywood. I have no idea. But actually Mary Jo and Joey's lawyer

ended up paying for Mary Jo to go to rehab while they were in California because she wanted to go, but she was like, I don't have any money. Like, they lost all their money on bad investments that Joey had made and then paying for like legal teams. So this lawyer like basically paid to save her life again. Wow. Sounds like this.

So Joey guy is just not great. Okay, he's losing all their money. He's fucking around. Yeah. He's just, yeah. And she just stayed right in time. I need to know the redeemable quality. She would seem like a gem.

Like what redeemable quality kept her around? Did he cook good pancakes in the morning? He's in the morning or like, what is those guys though that you're like, show me the thing. Show me the thing that is keeping all of these people like so entranced by this person. Yeah.

You can never show the thing. Because it's like the thing does, it's like an intangible thing. And I think when you fall in love in high school and like get married at such a young age, like, especially back then, it was so different. I think you kind of just get stuck in that role of like, well, we've been together this long, like we have to stay together. Oh yeah, I mean, everybody I think either knows someone or has been in a situation where you're just like, oh, just stick it up for a little longer because we've been at it for so long. Right.

Like, I dated my high school boyfriend for way longer than I should have. Because I was like, oh, we've just been together for a while. So we might as well just keep this. We're meant to be. We're meant to be. And then you finally realize it. I feel like the Joey guy is just a good talker.

Like, you know, those guys who can talk their way out of frickin' anything, like in a finger. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You probably just had her under, you know those guys who can talk their way out of freaking anything like in a finger. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You probably just had her under, you know, his child. Mm hmm. Yeah, just like wrapped around this finger. And those guys love bomb too. So they're like, do it on you when they need to. And then so that the blow isn't as bad when they do the terrible things that they do. Yeah. So you always, and you end up like those people end up living for those good moments.

Like they're just waiting for the next one. So you're like, oh, I don't want to end it now because he was so nice before, maybe he'll be nice again. Like maybe it'll happen, then it happens, and you're like, see? And then it's just a horrible cycle. Well, Ann, I think she was so depressed too, that she was like, you know, every, like you said,

every time she looked in the mirror, she was reminded of what happened. And she probably was like, how am I going to move on? Like she had like no self-worth at the like, you know, every, like you said, every time she looked in the mirror, she was reminded of what happened. She probably was like, how am I going to move on? Like she had like no self worth at the time, you know, you know, sure, more tabig. Yeah. But Amy ended up being released from prison in 1999. She only served seven years, which is insane to me. But shockingly enough, it was Mary Jo who asked the judge to show Amy remorse. And she said, she said, quote, she has shown true remorse and sorrow for what she did to me. And she also took the time to remind Amy that this

was a second chance at life and like urged her to take to make something positive out of all the crap out of all the tragedy that she created. And I think what had happened was she wasn't going to be up for parole and Amy and her mother wanted her out of prison. So the lawyer got to talking with each other and they were like, right Mary Jo, a letter. So she wrote Mary Jo this letter where she just apologized and apologized and I think she just kind of tricked Mary Jo into forgiving her.

Oh damn. You think? Yeah, so you don't think she's actually, no, and wait. Because I haven't seen anything like, I don't think she cares at all. Really? Yeah, I think that she was, I think she, because I haven't seen anything like I don't think she cares at all really. Yeah, I think that she was I think She definitely has like some mental health issues going on that she really needed to be treated for and just nobody ever gave her enough time and

Listen to her and helped her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I will say really big of Mary Jo though. I mean that's a huge She's like for gift absolutely Yeah, and especially you know with her having to live with that every day, yeah, her face, yeah, right next to her spine, sitting there, like moments away from paralyzing her at any moment. And it's like for her to be able to do that and still get up every day and have to face that. Yeah, I can imagine. What about us? But I will say that she did, Amy did seem remorseful, like at the hearing and in the beginning of things. And she and Mary Joe were able to address each other. And she said, like, it was nobody else's fault. Like,

it wasn't your husband that told me to do this. It wasn't anybody else, like, I did this. And I'm sorry, it's nobody's fault but mine. So at least she did that. And then I think she kind of like heated Mary Joe's advice in the beginning and did try to make some positive changes. Like I said, like when she originally went to go shoot her and I think like Mary Jo made a smart comment and then she like she ended up shooting her, it's almost like she was looking for someone to take care of her and be like,

and then Mary Jo did that. And in the beginning, I think Amy was like, you know, I owe it to her to do this, but then it's somehow she lost sight of it, I think. Because like it, so in the beginning, I think Amy was like, you know, I owe it to her to do this, but then it's somehow she lost sight of it, I think. Because like it, so in the beginning, she did try to make positive changes. She worked for the Long Island press for a little bit, and she actually won an award from the Society of Professional Journalists, and she also wrote a book, cleverly titled, If I New Then.

Oh. So in the beginning, I think she was trying to change. And then in 2003, actually the same year that Mary Jo and Joey divorced, Amy got married to a man named Louis Belira. Now they already had a two-year-old son together, and then they would go on to have a daughter two years after they married. So they had two children together. And Amy and the family moved to Florida, and actually she moved there after being released

from prison. And that's where she and Louis planned to kind of raise their family. But things were really tough for them. The kids had like a really hard time making friends because all the parents' kids didn't want them to be friends with the Long Island Lolitas children. That's so high heat when that shit happens. When the kids get the flack for what their parents have done, you know, like that sucks. It's sad. and she was like,

it was like they thought that they were gonna catch the Amy Fisher gene. Yeah, that's like the Catherine Bernie thing or whatever. All her kids who she didn't even raise, she wasn't even around for. She like left them. Like the David and Catherine Bernie story,

it's like Catherine wasn't around the entire time they were growing up, she abandoned them to go kill people with her crazy husband and not husband. And they ended up suffering the consequences for several of them got like beat up just for being her child. Yeah. They get like assaulted all the time in her rest and seven.

It's like they don't, one, they don't even know her. Like she's right. She gave birth to them and then abandoned them all. Like she, they don't even know who she is. And it's like, yeah, it's not so awful. they're kids they're innocent we brought into this it's so sad that happens so it's terrible parents can never grow up so parents put that on like when you're younger like yeah everything and they're so wise and smart and then you get here and you're like wow you guys are bunch of fucking morons like you just they are like the mean kids stay the mean kids it's like they're still clicks

it's true yeah it's true it's an adult parent yeah it's like oh yeah I've seen on like the face but mom through you know and I'm like oh they're broo oh yeah I want to have kids if this is what I have to deal with no thank you oh yeah you asked to be taken out of the face of the part of the bedroom. Yeah, I like joined the art like towns, Facebook, bomb group, because I just like to, first of all, it's one of the funniest things to watch.

Like if you need entertainment, go in there and you'll see them complaining about something that is so funny and it's just like awesome. So me and my other friend who's also a mom will like share screenshots. I believe they're complaining about today. This is hilarious. It's just awesome. So me and my other friend who's also a mom will share screenshots of these. Look what they're complaining about today. This is hilarious.

But then it got super political in there and really nasty. And people, so at one point, I was like, I can't even watch this. So I just said something that I was like, can you guys just kick me out of this group? Please, I just can't do a lot of it anymore. Yeah, we have a Facebook community paper.

That's so funny. But it's the same thing. It's so fun to watch. I love just, I get my popcorn and my clothes on the box. It's so fun to watch. It's so fun to watch. I'm so glad to see you. I love it.

You're like as long as nobody's bringing me into this. Let's see what's going on. Because me and my husband will share it. I'm like, look what they're two blaming. It's always a problem. I saw a dog poop on someone's lawn. It's like a soft track, though. But let's... I'm lawn. I'm off track though, but let's.

I'm sorry. I love it. But yeah, I felt bad that things were so hard for her kids. And actually at one point, a school psychologist told Amy, she thought it would be a better idea for her son to drop out and just try to get his GED. She was like, this is not like, this is not working. That's sad. It is sad.

No, and it's like they didn't do anything. She loses it as damn wrong. Because of that bullshit. Right, and that was probably a lot of guilt on her too. But didn't they have, obviously, she's not the best name, so how did everybody know? Because she was married, right? I think she was married,

but I think they probably just like rumors fly around. It's probably like the Carla Hamolka thing where it's like someone's gonna figure it out. Yeah, exactly. Always figure it out. And she's really recognizable. Like she has, like, I feel like she has changed a lot over the years. She looks exactly like she did when she was 16. Good for her. And once one person finds out, yeah, right.

Seriously. It's only, but I also think that getting with this guy, Lewis was like a bad idea. And I think he kind of took her off the path that she was on. It was not really nice guy. While they were married, they did make a sex tape together. And it was after Amy got a breast augmentation surgery. And, but after that, they got into this argument. And it was actually over Amy and Joey like reuniting,

which was all fake and for TV anyways, but that was ridiculous. And it was in 2007, they met for dinner, and allegedly, there was like a producer there who thought it would make a really good reality show, if they were to get reunited. Joey and Amy? Joey and Amy. Wow. Yes, like very, very messy. No regards for the fact that she shot a woman in the face. Lap in the face. But she was into this.

Lap in the face. Tip for Mary. That's outrageous. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm in the face of like everybody involved in Mary's kids. We want to watch these two idiots. Like no.

The reality show didn't end up happening, but they did do an appearance that we'll get into later. That was just like so messed up. But so also she's still married and it's, I don't blame him for being mad, but what he did was release their sex tape together. Oh, for all. Revenge porn. Yeah, it's a lot. Revenge porn.

Now, most people would be pissed in the situation, but Amy said, my husband released this. And you know what, it's out there. I have two choices. I can sit there and say it doesn't exist, which it does, you know. Or I can do the intelligent thing. I mean, unbelievably, you know, a sex tape comes out, and the next thing I know, I mean, I'm getting offers

for endorsements. I mean, they pay me to be there, which, you know, I guess brings attention to their club, and a lot of people come down. And you know, it's a good thing. It's fun for everybody. So I think she definitely just got lost in this whole, like all the bad decisions that I make get me money

and notoriety and I think I love the end statements. I feel like it's hard when she's making. At least she can look at the bright side. I'm making that kind of money from like TV and the book offers and all that. It's like her petty little, I'm saying petty air quotes, petty like smaller jobs or normal paying jobs. She's probably like, I don't know't fucking want to do this. I could just tell my story and get way more or like Yeah, and like I just got this jack State, you know, it's me. Hey like and try and get some money off of that

Yeah, so she's probably like fuck it. Right. She's probably still pretty stunted. I mean plus she has a criminal past You can't just go get a normal job like yeah, she's not just going Yeah, I'm that porn. There's a lot working against her Yeah, she's like okay, okay, like all unwillingly do porn. That's fine So she unwillingly did porn and then she actually she's gonna get into the industry and so she just leaned in she leaned in Oh, no, no, it's fine. I was actually literally getting there. That was perfect I Just leaned in. She leaned in. Oh no, no, it's fine. I was actually literally getting there. That was perfect. Perfect little thing. So that happened.

I didn't go like crazy far into it. But they actually, they got back together after he released the sex tape. And they stayed together for another eight years before they divorced in 2015. And after she got divorced, she moved back to Long Island with the kids. And they moved into like a really private home

that was actually purchased by her mother. So there was a lot of like, yeah, we'll just buy you things. Oh, yeah. Everything will be fine. Yeah. And you wonder if those like, they wanted to keep it in certain names and such. Mm-hmm. Definitely. To keep the privacy happening. Definitely. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. they've done multiple on-screen appearances. I mentioned before, there was one where Amy and Joey were on entertainment tonight, and they were pretending that they were rekindling their romance. Joey, they're in the backseat of a car, and he's like, we were always in love, and she's like, yeah, we were always in love. What the fuck?

And it's like, it was all fake. So big. No. Joey's, that's really gross. Well, Joey's kids had to see that, and they were adults by this this point and his daughter was like How dare you walk around the streets of New York with the woman that tried to murder my mother? That's just for some money

Bunkers to me. It's like we're just all everybody's just forgetting. We're just all focusing on like Their meet cute or something like I don't understand that nobody's realizing that this children involved, first of all, that they stayed married for a long time after this. Yes, a very long time. And that she was shot in the face in an attempted murder by this person because of that man.

Like, sad. What? He's the root of all the evil here. I don't want to watch the really bad. He's the sit there and talk about themselves. No, who wants to see that? Like, I can't imagine. Yeah, they want to watch the really there is like talk about themselves. No, who who wants to see that like Yeah, they want to go home and it's on the TV They are obsessed with themselves and their story. Oh, yeah, oh

They love the exact two people want to see yeah, yeah, they both are like obsessed with it themselves So gross. Oh, yeah, well, and then honestly like as like Americans. I think we love trash TV So like we all tune in. Oh, yeah, oh, look at honestly, like, as like Americans, I think we love trash TV, so like we all tune in and we're like, oh, look at that. There is an audience for that. And people don't think of all the people affected by it. It's so bizarre though, because you wouldn't consider that trash TV. I mean, I was like, I mean, what other like murder stories have you thought of that has carried on to like a reality series?

It's so bizarre. Yeah, right. This one is like an anomaly. Like it doesn't make any sense. And I think it's such a weird story. Yeah, it's so weird. There were so many different appearances. Like there was one where they reunited.

Joey, Mary Jo and Amy, all at once. And like they made them like hug like Mary Jo and Amy. It was just like so. And then Joey ends up getting angry and leaving and like storming off and he's like, I lost the love of my life because of her. Like talking about, talking about Amy. And it's like, no, you lost the love of your life because you're a terrible person and you got involved with the 16 year old like a gross monster. I guess because technically like she married

and didn't die. I guess that makes it okay for them to like keep this story going. Because technically I think that's exactly what it is. And it's just like I'm done. Girl involved. There's sex. There's murder. Skandal. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Everything. All of it.

But Mary Jo has been through enough as we all know. And throughout the entire experience, she slowly but surely started to realize that Joey was a sociopath, and she actually ended up writing a book called Getting It Through My Thick Skull. Why I stayed, what I learned, and what millions of people involved with sociopaths need to know. Wow.

It's a very long title. That's amazing, but I can't wait to read it. When did that come out? Yeah. 2009. Oh, damn. How did I not know that existed? Yeah, you can buy it on Amazon, the Kindle Cloud reader. Oh, damn. How did I not know that existed? Yeah, if you can buy it on Amazon,

the Kindle Cloud Reader. Oh, there you go. I think it's like three bucks. How dare they, what's her name? Come out with her story before Mary. Right? Before Mary's your god, seriously. Seriously.

Seriously. But you know what, she had the better name, getting it through my thick skull. Yeah, she, I love that she was able to like, kind of make a joke of it. It was like a tongue and cheek kind of thing. Yeah, I like that. And this is like a little bright side.

In 2017, she was able to have more extensive plastic surgery done. And the goal was to fix some of the nerves that had been damaged in the shooting. And she was like unable to even smile for a long time. And after the surgery, she said it was the first time that she smiled in 25 years and was able to see the side of her teeth. Oh my god. I know. Good for Mary Jo, seriously. Now, like I said, Amy showed remorse when it was time to get out on parole, but since then she really hasn't done much with her second chance at life, and in 2008 she told her reporter, I feel no sympathy for Mary Jo the multi-millionaire. The fact that Mary Jo has a bullet in her head means nothing.

I still have silicone in my boobs and you don't hear me complaining. She can't feel her bullet and I can't feel my silicone. What? It's like, yeah, I don't think she feels super guilty. Holy shit. Now I guess these days she's working as a cam girl. So... Wow.

What an idiot. I think she probably is saying that because she knows the reaction she's gonna get. I think she knows what she's doing. She has to. Yeah, it just brings more tablets coming. It brings more attention. And more reporters wanting to get like a racy or comment. Yeah. I think you're right. Because we've seen like regular celebrities do that. They put on a persona. Yeah. They go they go with it even and then like outside of that persona They're like I don't believe any of this. I mean even the whole

Because I'm gonna get paid for it. Yeah, even the whole thing is an audience the re-unite re-united thing like she wasn't in love with him She was still very she's like I'm just trying to make money Yeah, yeah, and she knows there are a group of the audience that will eat it up right and we'll like it right So she's just plain to that base. Basically. And that is the case of the long-time, absolutely ruthless stuff you're saying all around the world. Wow.

Yeah, I think it's gross just because it's like real. It's just how the tabloids talked about this story is disappointing. Yeah, you know, like just that it's called the Long Island logo. And, and like they made her out of it. And like why did it focus on her? They focus on her as if he didn't do a damn thing. And poor Mary Jo, she's a minor-owned damn business. She gets brought to this. Just live in her life, vacuuming the little. She was just trying to live. She's just bowing the car. She's just trying to trust her husband, like, do your damn thing, get shot in the face. Yeah.

I'd be fucking pissed. Okay. Oh, I would be. I would. And then it just haunts her for the rest of her life, not only because she has to see it in the mirror, but because every time she probably turns on the TV, there's something new. Yeah. And she, I mean, she can't even smile.

No, she can't smile for 25 years. She should be happy. She should be happy. Yeah. Problems with like, drooling and stuff. But after she had the plastic surgery done, she was like, this was like the best. She should be happy. Problems with like drooling and stuff. But after she had the plastic surgery done, she was like, this was like the best. And she looks beautiful.

Couldn't get it. Mary Jo. Mary Jo's a stunner. What she do now, do you know? She's just still a housewife. She is having like, well, there's a forced. I know that she had like a boyfriend for a little while. She was having health problems, so her daughter actually moved in with her.

And that was like the last update that I saw. I haven't seen anything about, like, in those hot problems. Like, the kids get all lost in this whole thing. And it's like, her daughter ended up having, like, problems with drugs, problem with drinking, and eating disorders just because. Her, I mean, her dad went to jail for like a while,

and she was probably just trying to make sense of the whole thing. She was like, nine years old when the cells started. And it's not just like the trauma of like, you know, your dad cheating on your mom, that's traumatic enough. And then it's like, then the girl he's cheating on tries to murder your mom. It names her for life and like, disables her. And then you have to see them like again,

traipsing around the streets of New York, like kissing on each other. And it just keeps the end of the TV shows and the interviews and the all that like God. Like a little so long, a lot. And I'm sure they went to school just getting harassed because their last name, I mean everyone, it was like everyone knew the name.

So non-ness. And it was like, and she said, she was like but a FUCO means like, I think she said it meant like fire blower. Like it's this big powerful name and she was like and it turned into a joke. Yeah, whoops. I don't know. like, and it turned into a joke. Whoops. Whoops.

I don't know. Well, I mean, you could always change your name. That's true. That's very true. You could do that. I guess. I think at this point, they're like, you know what? Everybody knows us.

So like, hey, what's up? About a FUCO. It's us. I don't know. It really is. I think we're always thinking about like, well, a lot of people are always thinking, how can I make money from this? So then they don't change their name. I think this is people are always thinking how can I make money from this?

So then they don't change their name. I think this is a great example. How can I make money from this and keep it going? Because it's working. Yeah. So yeah, I mean look at the Kardashians. Same deal. Exactly. Remember in like the early 2000 everybody was trying a sex tape because they wanted to be the next Kim. I felt like that's when what's your name Amy gone into porn and she was like trying to milk that too. Yes, super scandalous. She's doing porn. It was like right in line. It happened with so many like the reality TV stars.

I think it happened to like one of the girls on Teen Mom, like, Octo Mom. To everybody. Octo Mom. Oh my god, I forgot about her. Oh, I know, she now. Wow, no, but she did born for a while. You know?

Why else? Why else? Oh, the Lorena Bobbets has been there. Oh, we got into porn. Yeah, yeah. That's true. It's crazy. Everybody just like their life gets fucked up and they're like, well, porn about it.

Yeah. We'll just porn about it. Yeah. You know? There's something there though. They always end up doing porn. So what's the deal with that? Yeah That's something psychological for sure. That's everybody's banding. Thank you. What's going on? It's weird. Yeah, well

Somebody must it. There's got to be someone in everybody's life that's sitting there just being like, you know what you could do Do porn about it. You could do porn about it. There's nothing wrong with that. If you want to do it do it Oh, yeah, seriously. It's just so funny that it's like such a trend or it definitely was such a trend. I think it's like less of a trend now. It's more normally funny, which is nice. You won't be called the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and the law and

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It's just like all around shitty. Because it's like if she had their fears some kind of guidance when she was younger this could have all been prevented right Absolutely, that's the worst part or just like a dad that paid attention to her and didn't just say like oh, here's my credit card Yeah, yeah, or even just a dad's 36 year old man named Joey who wasn't a piece of shit He yeah was like no, I don't want to get in for the 16 year old. What the hell do you have in common right 16 year old? Not a damn thing.

Exactly. The problem was he had too much in common. He had everything in common with her. That's the problem. Because he was a 16 year old and his mind was so close. Derp bag. It is so weird. I remember being a teenager and thinking it was so cool when he would hear one of your

friends was dating an older guy. It was like the coolest thing. Yes. You're like, oh my God, he's 28. Oh my God. And now that you get all there, he's so cool. And then you get older and you're like, ew. Like, you're like, what a crazy guy.

I did it to somebody. And immediately you do that. What you just did, which is, what could you possibly have in common? Like, what could you? That's so weird. It's just older and he loves me, so. He's just so much younger.

And you think that too. I dated somebody that was in college when I was in high school, very casually. But I remember Elena was like, not like I was forbidden from seeing him and all this stuff. And now I'm like, ew, what did what? And I in particular kept saying to her, I was like, what does she want? Why is he hanging out with a high school kid? Like, tell me why.

Like, there's no good reason here. And there is no good reason. Now I'm older and I'm like, why? Why was not good reason? There's no good reason. There's no good reason. There's like nothing there. It's all nefarious.

Yes. It's all nefarious reasons. Was it they even know it or not? Unfortunately, it's just one of those life lessons you learn. Because still to this day, I think it's some people think it's cool. I feel like more people are aware that it's not cool, but you know, I definitely think it's becoming more of a like, Yeah, people at least,

Yeah, the race and I proud a little bit. Yeah, the conversation at least is changing around it, you know. I feel like if this happened to Jay, she wouldn't be the long Island Lolita. you know, I feel like if this happened to Jay, she wouldn't be the long island Lolita. You know, he would have been like this perverted monster that he should have been called. This would be a totally different scenario. Yeah, absolutely. And I think honestly, like if this happened to Jay, they would have pinned something on him.

I bet you he was involved somehow. I think that too. I think absolutely. Because it's crazy to me that they didn't. But then you look at the time period and it's like okay, but they were just way too focused on her and like and it's like she's 16 Like are we being real here? He's like almost 40 because like where'd she get that idea? She had to get it from some yeah, you know, mm-hmm someone had to like a share some ideas Like maybe if you go killer or something, get a gun. There was conspiring of some kind.

Absolutely. Was like blatant or subtle or just kind of like drop in hints. Well, it's like, why did all the people that she was involved with, like in trying to like solicit like a hitman? Like why did none of them come forward until after this poor woman was shot in the face? I know, you'd think one of these kids would be like, hey, hey, it's like something troubling is going on.

Weird. No, I think it's like how a lot of them make their money. It's not good. Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. I think you're right. Depending on where you grow up, you know, it's kind of normal.

People do it. You get out. Yeah. You're not robbed. And a lot of times people don't take these things seriously. No, it's just one of those things. It's like, oh, Amy said that. That's what I remember.

Yeah, I don't think anybody took her that seriously or just don't want to be involved Oh my god, I know I mean, but when I think about it how many times I've said like oh my god I hate them. I would kill them like as a joke like And then if something like this happened you would be so fucked. Oh Yeah, I look so I think that all the time whenever we talk about a case like this I'm like oh fuck. I've definitely said like oh I could kill her. Yeah, I look so good. I think that all the time whenever we talk about a case like this, I'm like, oh fuck, I've definitely said like, oh I could kill her. Yeah, I'm like shit. You're like, oops baby, shouldn't say that.

Yeah, I always tell my fiance like, nothing better happened to you because it's gonna come right back to me. People are getting like, they're gonna be looking at my channel like she knows how to do all this. So, she definitely does. Yeah, so I'm like, believe you. They don't let anything happen to you, because. Just be real careful, okay? Stay safe. Not looking good for me.

Listen, babe, when you're vacuuming the linoleum, keep that head on a swivel. Hey, hey, that makes sure. You gotta be careful, okay? Don't hit a rock. Don't hit a rock. Fly right back up, Acha. But this was so much fun.

Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. Seriously, this was amazing. So excited to be here. Anytime. Yeah, I know. I'm like, when can we do this again? I'm excited.

I'm going to have to have you on Dark History. I don't have a. Oh, that'd be awesome. I don't have like a guest in place yet, but I want to get to a point where I do, because I think having conversation is always nice, right? And honestly, Dark history, I love.

That's right. Like Paulina's out of you. The fact that you decided to do a whole podcast on that, I am just waiting to debout. Oh, yes. And that is my bread and butter. I love old, weird shit that happens. It's like whenever I come across something, I'm like, oh my god,

I have to make an episode out of this. Right? History is so weird. History is just all about hating women. They really hate us throughout history. Oh, they really hate us. They're still hate men. Yeah, but it was like,

it's like we're making a little, we make little progress, like little speedy steps. Yeah. And you can see, as you go through it. Like, you know, we got the right to vote. We can go further than that.

We can get in a big way. Well, yeah, there's lots of dark history to come. Lots of it. It's gonna be very exciting. And love for having me. This was so fun. Absolutely. Thank you.

And plug whatever you would like to plug, by the way. Where can everybody find you in case the two people don't have so soon? Yeah, you can find me. No two people. Well, you can find me on Mondays, over on YouTube for Murder Mystery and Makeup, where I sit down and talk about true crime story,

and I do my makeup at the same time. And then Thursdays, or I should say Wednesdays, we have the podcast come out, which you can find anywhere that you listen to podcasts. And then on Thursday, we upload the video of the podcast to my YouTube. Oh, cool. I love that. I love that. So everybody go check that out. Go find Bailey. Do it. I'm just going to try my best to learn from you guys. How did you podcast? Because it's so different. Like I'm such a handsy. I talk with my hands. Oh, we're constantly

hitting microphones. I'm surprised we didn't do it while we were sitting down doing this. Or I yank out like a charger from a computer, because I'm like, what? It happens all that just almost happen now. So. But I feel like, how do you make it translate over to your podcast when people are just listening to it?

I'm like, they can't see my hands. They don't know how excited I am about it. I feel like people can feel it. They can feel it in your voice. When you're that like impassioned about it, you're moving. I feel like people just know it, instinctively. And you're a good storyteller. I think you have it down.

Oh, thanks. Of course. Of course. Oh, thank you. Of course. So this was amazing. And guys, this was amazing. Make sure you go check out Bailey. You will not regret it. Yes, and we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird

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