Morbid - Episode 242: John Edward Robinson

Episode Date: June 21, 2021

John Edward Robinson is one of the wildest schemers you’ll probably hear about. He spent most of his early life creating fake businesses and scheming investors and co-workers out of thousands of dollars. Somehow he avoided long prison terms and was able to fly under the radar of his parole officers in a big way. Things started to escalate even more though when John started “helping” young mothers out. You’re going to want to hear the end of this one guys, and we’ll see you soon for part 2! As always, thank you to our sponsors: Caliper: You can try Caliper CBD risk-free for 30 days. If you don’t love it they’ll give you a full refund at TRYCALIPER.com/MORBID Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/MORBID BestFiends: Download the 5 star-rated puzzle game, Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play.  Curology: Go to Curology.com/morbid for a free 30-day trial, just pay for shipping and handling! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alena. And this is morbid. It is morbid. And it's morbid in the morning. Could you tell? I bet you could tell. ["Try and Abid"] Yeah.

Oh, you know what somebody said? You know how last time I was like a lemma, that's not how the song goes. Somebody was like, oh, that's like Troy and Abid. Like, you know what somebody said, you know how last time I was like, a lemma that's not how the song goes. Somebody was like, oh, that's like Troy and Abed. Like, it sounds like that. Like, you know the little radio show. Oh, my God, you're right. Yeah, I didn't even think of that.

That's very true. I mean, that's like not what it is, but it's fine. I'm kidding. We love a Troy and Abed moment. I love community. We truly do. It's on Netflix. It's on Netflix, too, and.

Oh, and shout out to my community college brother and because we used to like think that they watched us in community college. I think they did well about it. So tell me stories and I'd be like, yeah, but I saw that on that episode and you're like, no, no, no, I did that first. Yes. We're like, no, we did that. Listen, Joel McCale, it was me. I'm saying. So shout out to you guys, you know who you are. Hell yeah. And Sammy and Jeremy and their buddy. I only know Joe and Joe Crowe is the best.

Joe Crowe, we love you. So yeah, I think there's really not a lot like, at least right this second going on in the true crime world. Yeah. I think everything's like still for a moment. But I did see and I'm really excited about it. I'm sure everybody else will be that Buzzfeed unsolved has a new season out. Oh man, our male counterparts. Our male counterparts, Shane and Ryan. And I really think we're them. I really do. And I truly think that we need to like collab

with them. I'm going to manifest it right here right now. Shane Ryan, you're invited. We're ready to do this. Let's get it. So let's do this because it would be amazing. That would be so much fun. I love Buzzfeed on Saul. You do. So much.

You actually got me into it. Yeah, I love it. So I was excited to see, I think, I saw both of them tweet like a couple days ago that there's a new season. So go check that out. We're not. We're promoting them just because we like them. We're not being, you know, this is not an ad, I promise.

But I think that's really all we gotta, we gotta go over. I think so too. This is your episode, not mine. So this is my episode, guys. What you do. So let's do this. So today we are going to be covering the case of John Edward Robinson

Oh my god, do you know that I thought you were doing an entirely different case? And I was like I almost went to say it with you and then I was like oh You like oh, but no that is not what I'm doing. Excuse me. No, I decided I actually switched up my case at the last second. Shocking. Yeah, crazy, crazy. I know, it's crazy. Because I am going to be redoing the black dollia case. So I think that's going to be happening as well

in the next week or so. Cool. But I wanted to put a little more touches on it. So I just push it. So here we are. So here we are with John Edward Robinson. And just to give you a quick little, so this is gonna be a two-parter.

Nice. This is a very long case. And the first part is gonna have a lot of scammin'. It's gonna have a lot of fraudulent activity. It's gonna have a lot of theft. Okay. It's gonna have a lot of adultery. It's gonna have a lot of that shady shit.

And then it's gonna be like a little sprinkle of like, ooh, is that murder? Oh, we're not sure. Well, sprinkle. And that murder. Part two is gonna be like, oh, that's murder. Oh, okay. There's gonna be a lot of spoiler alert.

So just letting you know, like, part two is gonna be like, whoa, murder. And this one's gonna be like, oh, lots of shady shit. Okay. Just so you're aware, I'm excited. So June 2nd, 2000, at least five women's bodies were found in barrels on John Edward Robinson's 16-acre property near, I don't know how to say this, so I'm going to look it up Kansas

because I love you. Lassine, Kansas. Okay. See me? Lassine. Not spelled that way at all. But Lassine. Seen? Not spelled that way at all. But Lassine, Kansas. And he also had a rented storage unit in Raymore, Missouri,

and the bodies were found in both of those locations. So this sounds like straight up murder. That's not a sprinkle. Straight up murder. But we're not gonna get into all these murders. It's like a dollop of murder. And these weren't his only victims. Oh.

Soon an entire crazy background of just like lying adultery, fraudding, scamming, shadiness, being gross, being dumb, just comes rude, comes Russian force like a tide, like a typhoon, like a tidal wave. I was gonna say that next. Like a sue, Nami. I was gonna see that next. They go, say that alone. So let's talk about John Edward Robinson. Yeah, it lets. He was born December 27th, 1943.

So the day before me, but many years earlier. I knew. I knew. And he had happy energy. So he's a Capricorn. He was born in Cicero, Illinois, and he lived in, you know, a nice, just a nice regular normal home at 4916 West 32nd Street. I'm getting the vibe

that this was not a nice regular home. It was just a regular home. He was the second of five kids. He had an older brother, Henry Jr., and a younger brother, Donald. He had two sisters, Joanne and Ellen. And he got along with his, his younger brother Donald. He had two sisters Joanne and Ellen and he got along with his his younger brother Donald really well. They remained close for a long, long time. He hated Henry Jr. his older brother. He got along with his sisters but definitely was more close to Joanne than he was to Ellen according All right, we've got a dynamic everyone. We've got a dynamic. And the book that I used for a lot of this research,

I used a lot of articles, and I also happened to find a book because we know I love a good book on a case. It's always just so helpful. It is, I love getting a good book. Because that's where you get the most stuff. Yeah that's where you're gonna get like the good stuff So this book is by John Douglas you might know him from the FUBBA the FBI And it is called a true story of sex and death on the internet anyone you want me to be oh A true story of sex and death on the internet. Anyone you want me to be.

Oh, bitch. I'm saying. I'm about to read that. So it's by John Douglas. Douglass. Douglass. Douglass with Steven Singular. That's why I said Douglass.

So John Douglas with Steven Singular, I will link it in the show notes. But yeah, so it's a really good book. Got a lot of information. You got to read it. And this involves the internet, huh? This involves the internet. That's so interesting. That's why it's a really good book, got a lot of information. You got to read it. And this involves the internet, huh? This involves the internet. That's always scary.

So they kind of, the family kind of kept to themselves. They were quiet and chill according to neighbors. There was nothing like crazy happening there. Okay. His father Henry was a machinist for Western electric. And he was also an alcoholic, bummer. According to all sources, though, he was very an alcoholic. Bummer. According to all sources though, he was very loved by his kids.

He always went to work. He always got his work done. And at least when he was sober, he was known to be a good father. All right. It was nothing crazy. When he would drink, he would definitely throw a wrench in things.

But there was nothing I could find that was like terrible abuse was happening or anything. I think it was just like traumatic having a father that was sometimes be drunken kind of like belligerent and just like not how he was when he was sober. You know, like I feel like we all maybe know somebody like that. I was gonna say everybody can think of someone

like that. At least what that probably is. It's like you're, especially as a kid, you're used to having, when you love your father and when he's sober, he's a great father who's there. And then when he's drunk he's not. It's like that're especially as a kid, you're used to having, when you love your father, and when he's sober, he's this great father who's there, and then when he's drunk, he's not. It's like very traumatic. His mother, Alberta, was definitely not his favorite parent,

or any of the kids' favorite parent, which he strict, she was very strict, and she was the disciplinarian. I like, I thought that. All you said was Alberta, and that doesn't scream strict, but I felt about how it just came to you. It did.

But either way, so it's not like they had like a great warm fuzzy relationship, but she was just a very strict disciplinarian. I'm, you know, different time. So in 1957, he actually became an Eagle Scout, which I know we've mentioned a couple of other people were like Eagle Scouts. Like, what's his name? I was just trying to think of that. I know we've mentioned a couple of other people were like Eagle Scouts. What's his name? I was just trying to think of that. Shit. The thing that I said. He did.

Oh, you sent Eagle Cubs. Eagle Cubs. Eagle have Cubs. Yeah. Yeah, that was Josh Phillips. Yeah. Took a second. I couldn't think of his name.

I could say Josh. Josh and I was like, I don't know your last name. Yeah, I was like, his name is Josh. Do we give a fuck what his real name is? It is Josh, Church, Asheville. But he was also in Eagle Scouts. And no Eagles do not have cups. But this is interesting.

So John Robinson here, he reportedly traveled to London with a group, like a whole scout group. And they performed a song for Queen Elizabeth II. Well, okay then. So, and it was, he was like a young teenager, and he actually became one of the first Americans to ever sing for the Queen. Wow.

Like it was a big deal. You know, my stepmom met the Queen. Really? That's so badass. I know. That's so cool. I don't know why it's so cool. I just think, like, the monarchy is just interesting. It's so badass. I know, that's so cool. I don't know why it's so cool. I just think the monarchy is just interesting. It's so interesting.

It's bizarre as fuck, but it's interesting. Yeah, I think it's like so bizarre, because we're just like, wait, what? We're like, you have a king and a queen? That's cool. I know, it's cool. So apparently this is very interesting. This is like blew my mind.

So apparently he saw, as a teenager, doing this Eagle Scout thing. It's like a big thing where like famous celebrities came to to perform. And like it was in the 50s. So he saw Judy Garland back stage. Which right? I'm a girl. I got my girl. I was okay. I think she was all right because she was about to perform after.

And he went by her and I guess he was like a very like sassy kid. Like he was just like out to like, he was gonna talk to anybody. He was gonna talk to him. He was gonna out there. He was gonna talk to whoever. So he sees Judy and he says, us Americans got to stick together. Imagine being Judy Carlyne in this like 10-year-old bus.

Right. You would says that. Which he becomes the worst later. So that sucks. But that's funny. I think him was funny. Well, I guess you laughed and responded, you're right, and then kissed him on the cheek. Oh.

Which that would have been a cool story to have if he wasn't such a dick. Yeah, I wonder. It's kind of like John Wayne Gacy meeting, like, you know, like, whenever you see these people like hobnobbing with like cool people,acy meeting like, you know, like it's, whenever you see these people like hobnapping with like cool people, you're like, oh, fuck that sucks. I know I wonder if Judy Garland later on was like, oh, shit. Oh, I think I was just going to say it.

She probably didn't even know his name. I was going to say it honestly. It was way past Judy's time. Judy's time. So unfortunately, rip Judy. Rip Judy. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed? What would you do?

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Prepertory? Preparatory? Preparatory. I don't even say it a lot. Preparatory, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, rep, you can't, you can't. Preparatory school. There it is, I said it. Preparatory, you did. Preparatory, I just could not get that preparatory out. Oh, I didn't know if I was saying it right now.

Preparatory. What do I know? Quickly, Preparatory Seminary School. Yeah, in Chicago. This was like a private school. It was for only boys and they were all going there because they all wanted to be priests. They all wanted to get prepped seminary. Semitary seminary.

Guys, I've only had one cup of coffee. You should take another sip. So he told, he was telling everyone he knew how psyched he was to become a priest. He was like all about that life And he kept being like guys. I'm gonna work in the Vatican someday. I just you wait. That would be really cool He doesn't yeah, I don't we weren't going in that direction. I'm not going in that direction. That's a different direction He was an okay student not great not terrible same just Guide and write through me as well, but he degraded at 17, so he did the damn thing.

He spent some time doing favors as well during this whole period for local crime families to make extra money. So favors meaning like, he was a runner. Remember in Boy Meets World when Sean gets a job running to the docks for the zoo. Unlocked a memory in my core being that I did not know I had. That's what he was doing, Sean Hunter thinks.

He's just- He's got to get Disney plus again. He was getting that envelope. He wasn't asking what's in that envelope, and he just brings it to the docs. Sean Hunter found himself in so many sticky situations. Do you remember when he was in a cult because I referenced it for these four times

on this fucking podcast? That was the best. Like when Mr. Freenet. Because when Mr. Matthews, and it's Mr. Matthews like GrabSim and it's like, you can't have Sean. In that moment, I was like, Mr. Matthews is hot. Hell yeah, Alan Matthews, right?

And I still to this day think Mr. Matthews is very hot. He's a dill. Like, he's very hot. Yeah, Alan Matthews. And I still to this day think Mr. Matthews is very hot. He's a dill. Like he's very hot. Do you all agree? Should I add Mr. Matthews to my hall pass list? That's honestly Mr. Matthews has always been on my list. But he always will be. Alan.

Alan. But yes, so he did the Sean Hunter thing. He would, you know, just run, run favors. Run, run, run. But you know, he was making some quick money, and he, this is the beginning of him seeing, I don't have to do a lot of work, I can do some shady shit,

and I can make a lot of cash. Right. Not a great thing to be taught. System is cuffed. But still, in 1961, he did go to Morton Junior College in Cicero, and he wanted to become an X-ray technician. That was his goal. So what he realized when he started working for crime

that he was like, I guess I can't get a piece. Yeah, I think he just gave it up. There's no, I didn't see anything for like why. He just all of a sudden was like, yeah. I think this is the thing. As we'll see, he's kind of like a, I don't know why I'm making so many television references. I love that. I'm so grateful for it.

He's kind of like an evil Tommy Haviferd from Parks and Rec. He has a lot of big, big ideas. Okay, okay, okay. And he's going to go in a million directions, but he's not going, none of them are going to pay no. He's just throwing pasta at the wall and seeing him one step. He's just saying if something stays. Okay, gotcha.

But evil Tommy Haviferd. I like to see that depicted. So he did go to school. He did want to become an X-ray tech, and he did get a job as an X-ray tech at a Chicago hospital. Alrighty. So so far it's like, okay, all right,

you had a moment, the Sean Hunter moment, and that's okay, we've all had that. Sean Hunter had that moment. Sean Hunter had that moment, and he's okay. He turned out fine. So in 1964, he met Nancy Jo Lynch. Nancy Jo adorable, you know, pretty lady, and she's just like, hello, John Watt's father. And it's like know pretty lady and she's just like hello and it's like the 60s and it's the 60s so she probably had really cool hair and

great glasses I bet. Yeah and cool makeup. Yes she probably had high boots on you know. Oh it was not a thing in a short skirt. Oh yeah yeah. She's mod but they got married in 1964. She was pregnant with their first child very quickly. They actually before they got married, so they got married while she was pregnant, which is, which is fun. I said it like they got married when she was pregnant. And he was born, the oldest one was born John Jr. in 1965. Later, they did have a daughter Kimberly

and fraternal twins named Christopher and Christine in 1971. Later, they did have a daughter Kimberly and fraternal twins named Christopher and Christine in 1971. Cute. A dog rubble. And we love a fraternal twin, just saying. We do. In 1969, not long after, you know, baby came and marriage, he was arrested for stealing from his employer.

So you don't want to do that. He was on his way to like a okay-ness. Yeah, we're gonna be dead. We're gonna be dead, we're gonna be dead, we're gonna be an X-ray tech. Everything's gonna be okay. We're gonna be okay. And then he just slipped right back into that,

I need easy money. He doesn't wanna work for it. Hey kids, that'll fuck you right up if you need some money. Yeah, exactly. So, he stole from his employer, his employer ended up finding out, and he just begged them not to charge him, and he promised to pay back the money he stole, and they agreed. Wow.

So now he's seeing that not only can he make money doing shady shit very quick, but now he can charm his way and use his charisma to get out of things, even when he's been caught red handed. That'll set a precedent. It's a bad thing. his way and use his charisma to get out of things, even when he's been caught red handed. That'll set a precedent. It's a bad thing. So he got another hospital job. It's amazing how many jobs this man got with literally zero credentials.

It's like a dirty John. It truly is. It truly is. His name is John. He's the original, but OG dirty John here. OG dirt. So he got another hospital job this time doing pediatric x-rays at children's mercy hospital and he also got a job doing x-rays on adults at general hospital.

Later this general hospital gets turned into a Truman Medical Center so people might know that better. I thought you were going to tell me you turned into a soap opera. It did not. He got these jobs because he produced documents saying he was a medical lab tech, a nuclear medical technologist, and a radiographic technologist. Feel like he wasn't any of those things.

He was none of those things. And weirdly, people liked him when he first started, but then they started watching him work, and they were concerned. Because suddenly they were like, you don't know how to take or read an x-ray. Right. Which is wild. And also highly dangerous.

And they were like, also you're handling infants, babies and children. And he was like very like, like clumsy with them and like rough. Like he didn't know how to just like hold a baby. Yeah. Because that's what you learned in school. Exactly. And they were like, you are not, because also like x-rays, you got to put them in like weird positions like, yep, you know, my kids have had X-rays before and it's always like very jarring to watch because they have to be

and move them, you know, and they're always so sweet about it. Like, children's hospital in Boston, like shout out to them because of the best when one of my girls was like really sick that time. They were just fucking amazing. Like, those X-ray texts are like the sweetest people ever and they make it like a very chill experience, like they're trained to do that. Right. That's part of the whole thing and he was not.

He didn't get that in real life. So he didn't know how to fucking do that. And later they confirmed with the American registry of radiologic technologists that he had none of those degrees or certificates that he claimed to have. Here's the thing though, why don't we check that before we give someone a job? Thank you, because this is what happens.

You should deal. Hundreds of times in this case, he has given a job and no one checks. And then later on they check and they're like, oh, whoops. And it's like, I remember watching here, I'm gonna throw another TV reference for you. I don't know what's happening right now.

I'm living in a television world today, but video killed the radio. And I'm really bringing you back, which is fun. Well, I even know the Sabrina the Teenage Witch. That's sure. Of course. The original Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I remember that there was a point where Zelda got a job at the college because she just said she had a degree from Harvard.

And everybody was so impressed by that, they just gave her the job. And then they found out later that she, the only Zelda that had graduated from Harvard didn't like 200 years ago because she's a witch. So they were like, you're allowing sack of shit. And she was getting fired. And I was like, they would never have hired her

without looking at that. But they were. But look, I'm sorry to the writers of Sabrina the Teenage, which for doubting you all those years ago. I doubted you, I said that's- I got my face. That's egg on my face, because that's, I was like, that's far too reaching.

I can't believe this. You're doing this for the sooner or later. How do you mind? I don't appreciate it. Like magic? Okay, I can accept that. But like talking cats, I'm here for it. Yes, absolutely.

Like another realm with Drell, who is actually pen from then. I'm done, you gotta go. But I can't accept that they hired Zelda without checking her credentials first. They did, they definitely did. And after reading this case, yeah, they did. And then later they found out that it wasn't real. That was a real storyline. You're ridiculous. I then later they found out that it wasn't real. That was a real story line. You're ridiculous. I want you all to know that. So yeah, he didn't have any of these degrees.

None of the credentials. They found this out later and they were like, well, shit. Co-workers also said that he was actively all the time trying to seduce them. Yeah. He was married with children. Remember, I was just waiting for that part of the story. And he spent nights out at clubs, leaving his wife at home with all the children. It was very good fellows. Very good fellows. He was also very into BDSM,

but he was into like really gnarly BDSM with like, I don't think he was super psyched about like consent or anything like that. Yeah, he was. So this isn't like a normal like kink kind of thing. Like I think it started out as a normal kink and then he made it weird Yeah But in his wife was not into it. So

That's incompatibility right there first of all like if you're into that stuff maybe talk about that beforehand So they can get on the same page here So he instead of you know trying to work with her and trying to work together as a couple to try to figure out So instead of trying to work with her and trying to work together as a couple to try to figure out some kind of middle ground, you can both get it, which if you're not both into the same thing, you gotta come together and figure it out.

You know what, come together right now. Right now. Yeah, overcame. Over. Yes. That's a great shirt idea. I'm together right now overcame. Our shirts are getting kinky lately.

Our last one was about butt stuff in the devil, which I'm still waiting for anyone. That's a Patreon shirt, but I know we need to, we haven't got to make that. Because I want to wear one. But yeah, they're getting weird. But his wife was not into it, so he would just try to find anyone at clubs

that could satisfy this fetish. What's it's like, dude? Just get to work. I know where they're at, why, forget separated. Yeah, exactly. You know, like there's a middle ground, you can find somewhere. I think it was a little scandalous still in the 60s

though to get divorced. Oh yeah, for sure. Like there's definitely some weird stuff, but like, dude, you have children, right? Just figure it out. Right. He was fired from the children's hospital. That's good to know.

Just because he was a dumbass. I'm glad. I'm glad. And he got another job. Oh, no. He got another job at Fountain Plaza X-Ray as a lab tech and an office manager. With no fucking potential. Well, and you would think too that

when he got fired from one job, they would also maybe call that job and see why he was fired. Yeah, and I guess it was different in the 60s, I suppose. Right. But his boss was Dr. Wallace Graham, who was actually the president, he was actually president Harry Truman's doctor.

Oh, so this is like a doctor. This is not just a doctor. This is a doctor, like you gotta say it like that. And he was also known, though, as like a very sweet person, this doctor, and he was known to be kind of night, he was like brilliant, obviously, and yeah, brilliant doctor, but he was very naive with people and two trusting,

and he was very trusting, and he was easily taken advantage of, because I feel so trusty. You do, that's very much your vibe. But that's why I'm there to be like, no, no, no, yeah. But suddenly money is starting to go missing from this medical practice as soon as he's hired. That's so shitty. Really enough. It's such a weird coincidence. I know. It's just like, very

wow. So much money though. This was so fucking brazen that Dr. Graham couldn't even give his staff Christmas bonuses because so much was taken. Wow. They knew so some and they couldn't figure it out. They weren't figured out. They couldn't. But some of the other co-workers were noticing and seeing that it was him stealing money and using the doctor's stamps to sign checks for himself. Wow. Yeah. That's brazen. Right, he's so brazen with these things. And he would also ask patients to pay in cash

from the, like he would just pocket it. Right, of course. So that's how he was doing this. You know, I worked with somebody that did something similar to that. Are you serious? Yeah, and they had like a special thing on their phone, like some kind of app

where they could swipe the card and they would get the card information. Yeah, it was a big huge stand-up. So shady. Yeah, it was crazy. Oh my god, that's so fun. And like our tip money would go missing and stuff like that. Like I would have like open envelopes.

Oh my god. And I'd be like, why is this open? And like, I'd be like, oh, I know that person left me more. Like what the hell? Oh, that's so shady. Yeah. Stealing is so fuck. It's so fuck. Like it's just-

Like it's work for your own money. And it's also just like very violating. Don't take mine. Like that's a very violating scenario. How many shimpers I did to get that money? Yeah, bumps me. I wanted that three bucks. Well, he also is having tons of affairs with coworkers

and also a couple of patients. I. He used the story too that his wife was terminally ill and had given him the blessing to have these affairs. If someone said that to me, I'd be like, yeah, I'm not Foucaigno while you're with your wife. I'm still on the Earth terminally ill over there. Maybe instead of Foucaign me, you should go take care of your wife.

You asshole. Who felt for that? Like a lot of people are terminally ill. That's ridiculous. Obviously he was caught eventually. These people were finding out. And he tried to do the same thing by saying, I'll pay it back, please don't charge me.

But Dr. Graham was like, nope. And he called the police, which like good for Dr. Graham. Yeah. Because he was pissed. He was like, you took advantage of my fucking kindness. Right. Exactly. And I couldn't give anybody Christmas gift.

He was arrested for embezzling between $100,000 and up to $300,000 from that practice. Oh my God, I'm gonna look up what that would be today. Right, and he was sentenced to three years probation. That's it. Wow. Three years probation. And you said $100,000.

And that's like felony theft. Yeah, that's insane. That's a felony theft. And this motherfucker got three years probation. Wow. And this is another thing we're gonna see. He just gets out of shit. It's like a John Wayne Gacy kind of scenario.

Holy shit. How much is it today? It's... Oh my God, $100,000 in 1960 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $909,442. Holy shit. So he literally basically stole a million dollars from this guy. Yeah.

What the fuck? Because if you think about it, if he's like just using a stamp, he can write whatever he wants. Oh yeah. And also if he's having patients pay for procedures, procedures are expensive. And he's just pocketing the money. That is crazy. And it says the dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.69 per year between 1960 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 809.44%. Inflation is the craziest thing ever. And he got three years probation. First, that's insane.

For felony theft. That's crazy. And so in 1969, he became a systems analyst for mobile oil. And let me guess he didn't have the credentials. Of course he did. I don't even know what that means. They hired him with bullshit credentials and never looked into his background

to see that he was on probation too. That's even terrifying too. So they didn't do any of a background check because he charmed his way in. And he was so nuts to me. How like some people can just like smooth. He was a smooth talker and he was also an intelligent talker which can sometimes lull people into a false sense of security. You can't just take that off of somebody you got to like really look into it. But it worked and his

probation officers the Missouri Board of Probation and the parole board wrote a letter saying that quote Robinson quote does not appear to be an individual who is basically inclined towards criminal activities and is motivated towards achieving middle class values. So he even had his parole people absolutely convinced that he would never do something like that again. This is not something he's like, that he is like, you know, it's not a pathology in that. He had a moment of weakness. And that he just wants to have some middle class values. He doesn't have delusions of grande And that he just wants to have some middle class values. He doesn't have delusions of grandeur.

He just wants to do right now. Me stealing, I'm totally to 3000. It just, it slip up. So they were like, you know what, good job. Like you got a job, I think everything's fine. But then oops, he was caught stealing 6,200 postage stamps from the corporation. That's very random.

Weird. And he was fired. And he was probably selling. Somehow, it avoided jail time again. That's so nuts. So in 1970, they decided to move to Chicago again, because Kansas was now starting to know that he was a giant fuck up,

because he had gone all over Kansas, just fucking up. So now he can't get a job in Kansas, because everybody's like, yeah, you stole from me though. We know that guy. Like you committed felony theft in our practice. You can't work here. We're around town as you'll steal millions. Yeah. There's this that whole thing and you'll fuck our entire staff. So it's like that's I'd like my crispest We can't have that anymore. We can't be hired. So he moved back to Chicago. He got another job as an an insurance salesman. They never looked up his record because he was so good in the interview.

They were like, we like him. He was arrested once again for in bezel min to $5,585 from that insurance firm. Wow. He again only had to pay it back and avoid a jail. I also would love to know what he was doing with this money. Well, you'll see. So, but Kansas, at this time, he's in Chicago. Kansas made him come back because they were like, oh, fucker, you're still on parole. You can't move out of state without telling us. Shit, I didn't even think of that.

So his probation was extended three more years because of that. So you had to stay there. So now he's back in Kansas. And when he gets back in Kansas, he opens up his own business, a medical consulting firm called Professional Services Association Inc. No, thank you. What the fuck? And it's also just, it's a bogus. I'm also surprised that he was like allowed to set up some kind of corporation. Yeah, you do whatever the fuck you wanted. So in 1971, he actually he actually did get sent to jail for violating his parole

Okay, but it was only for a minute like a quick step and once he was out He he came up with an investment scam that he was going to steal $30,000 from a retired school teacher named Evoli McKnight Emily yeah, and when luckily that didn't pan out. Yeah. But he had like come up with the whole scheme. He had started to scam her. When that didn't pan out, he started creating forged letters

for investments in shit, like really bold fraud that he would like show to different businesses and be like, these businesses are gonna invest in my company. So they would invest. Like, yeah, and he was caught. And they probably lost a ton of money. But they lost a ton of money. And he was caught and he was charged

with false representation, securities fraud, and mail fraud. Wow. Six months after that, he pled out to charges of interstate securities fraud, and he was only given probation again. And those are all like high class, massive charges here. And he got probation again.

Like mail fraud is like, I'm like, what? Mail fraud, false representation and securities fraud. Damn. So what was he doing with all that money you asked? Right, thank you. What? Well, he moved his family into a very upscale home,

a manchion. So, did Nancy Joe know what he was doing? I should have no idea. I think she just knew that he was like a scammer and was just like, but I also think he had her convinced that he was a businessman. Probably. He was just getting like fucked by the system. Right. So, he moved into a very upscale neighborhood and a huge house in Kansas by using the money stole. That's fucked. He became a scout master for his kids, a baseball coach. He was a Sunday school teacher. Wow.

He starts like, just I'm gonna be, he was, he beat decade. Like he started being like, I'm gonna be a BTK. And I'm gonna say, like at least he was there for his kids. He was. But he, and he also bought horses, they had stables on their property. It's just so sad because it's like, you could have made this for yourself.

You could have had a great life. Saviour, like he did go to college, like he had a skill, you know, it's like save your own money and you could get there. And that's the thing, it's like just work hard, man. Right, like, how does that feel good? And it's like, he had all the opportunity given him. It's not like he he had all the opportunity given him.

It's not like he wasn't given the opportunity or wasn't in a position to have like privilege like this. Right. He was in, he used it and abused it and he didn't use it the right way. It's like that sucks. And I just don't understand. Because some people until to have that kind of privilege

and that kind of opportunity that he had to go to college to have all these different jobs to, you know, to be able to shmooze his way into whatever he wanted and suck. It's a blessing, but I just don't understand how people look at like all that they've like amassed together, even though like it's not their money that paid for it. Yeah, like you, I wouldn't feel good. No, I would be like, I could never like put my head on a pillow and I am knowing that I didn't buy the house with my money. Like I want to work hard, I want to earn my stuff and I want to feel good about it. And he also was like the local Santa Claus during Christmas.

Like Santa's a fraud. Which he also looked like Santa Claus when he got older, so that's interesting. Like he's the Santa's a fraud. People knew him as a good father and a family man around town. Okay, you're right. And he worked on a committee that hired volleyball reps for games around the schools. It's very random.

He took charge of the Pleasant Valley Homeowners Association. That's where he lived. That's also very BTK-esque. Yeah, because not only that, like he took hold of it and like BTK when he got like a little power, he became like a little dick. He's like a tyrant. And so he actually made some one of his neighbors come into court because she wouldn't use wood shake shingles to reroof her house after it was hit by lightning.

I'd also be like, you really want to take me to court? Yeah, you want to step into that building with me? And apparently he did. That's he's so brazen. So then he's like, I need a new business. So he decided to create a new business called HydroGrow Inc. And it was a Hydroponics, which is a method for growing veggies inside. OK.

And door kind of thing. He also made a huge pamphlet about it, like this huge 70-page book about it, called fun with home hobby hydroponics. Well, and if you have the time to like sit down and write that, then do it. Then actually do it. Exactly. Exactly. Just go for it and do it the right way. The way. Yeah. Like really put your like fucking nose to the grindstone and work that business into a real business.

You sat down in foundation. Yeah, you got the plan. He just never, that's what I'm talking about. He has like the plans and he has to, It is, Tommy Hemsford. Ambition for like a minute and then he doesn't want to do any of the work. Right.

He just wants the reward. Right. So in that, he wrote about how he hoped by reading this pamphlet, you would quote, form an acquaintance with John Robinson as a sensitive and stimulating human being. John Robinson's lifelong goal is hydroponics, and it's as far reaching as his imagination. That's what I said in the book.

That would sell me to be an analyst. I'd be like, all of a long-lasting relationship with you and your hydroponics. I'd love to be your acquaintance. He ended up using his business to swindle a friend out of $25,000, who had hoped to invest in this, to help get health care for his actual dying wife. Awesome. But he scammed him out of $25,000. Awesome.

That's great. We love to hear that. So John Robinson is literally a demon. Already, and he hasn't even murdered anyone yet. In 1977, he talked his way onto the board of directors of a local charity organization. No, he scammed a charity, didn't he? Yeah, and he also forged letters

from this charity's executive director that were supposed to be to the mayor of Kansas City. So he forged letters from the director be to the mayor of Kansas City. So he forged letters from the director to the mayor and to other leaders in the community and all that. And basically these letters said that he was this amazing charitable man. It was saying that he was volunteering, he was just this hero basically saying that

he was amazing. He should be man of the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And eventually, he had himself named this charity organization's man of the year. They threw, or he threw a huge awards like banquet in his own honor. Everybody thought that his wife and his kids attended thought that he had been named named Man of the Year by like the mayor. The mayor thought this was all on the up and up.

What? Yup. The fuck. Also all I can sing in my head right now is schoolboy cues man of the year. Thank you. Thank you. I know you don't know that song. Thank you. I don't.

And he was caught for fabricating this entire thing, fabricating the award, honoring himself with it. He had created the plaque himself. What? The press release around this, he had made himself. What? The Kansas City Times ran a scating story once it all came out. That was entitled, Man of the Year,

Play Backfires on Honorary. And it was Honorary in quotation marks. Oh my God, the science. So he was totally exposed. He was totally exposed. MUSIC Meanwhile, Nancy, his wife, is starting to fall apart because her husband was such a fucking embarrassing piece of shit.

Yeah. He keeps it. And now his children are getting like teased about this. His dad's an asshole. And she's probably worried that they're going to lose everything because nothing is even fucking real real. No, and she's finding out that he's having affairs with people now. Nancy, no.

And the thing is, his children still love him. And so even when she would finally get up the courage to like throw him out of the house, they would beg her to let him back in. That's so fun, so she would. And she was like, I don't want to break their hearts. So she was going for a file for divorce in 1980, but she didn't. She stayed. And she tried to keep the family together.

She tried to like, please her kids. She just wanted to take care of her kids. I feel so much for her. Because I can't imagine what she was going like. That's such a miserable existence when you have to stay with somebody that you don't want to be with. And that's not who you signed up for.

No, you signed up for someone totally different. This is not what you signed up for. Not who you fell in love with. You were schmoozed. This is when things are starting to unravel. This is, so neighbors are starting to unravel. So neighbors are starting to see that this picturesque family is kind of, it's like a Salvador dolly painting, starting to just like melts, you know.

It was like everything's just starting to melt. And so neighbors are seeing him be a dick to his wife now. They're starting to see him yelling at his kids more. His horses look, they're starting to see him yelling at his kids more. His horses look like they're starving because he's not actually really being an adult and feeding them. He just got the horses to look like he had horses. That makes me really angry. And he really can't handle like adult conversations without sexually propositioning people. And just being like painfully stupid and a dick around people,

like they were like, what is happening at this point? Is it true? And a half. And he was literally sexually propositioning women who were married in neighbors of his. So now, like, husbands are finding out that he's doing this because the women are going back and being like, ew, like this guy just did this and they're like,

I'm gonna fuck him up. Yeah, because it also probably made them feel like a little unsafe in their own neighborhood. Yeah, because they're like, what the hell is this dude guys? And then that's so embarrassing for Nancy Jo, embarrassing for these children who now their dad's a fucking creep on their old enough to start realizing this all.

This actually, he got in like a huge actual physical fight with one of the husbands at one point. I'm not shocked. So things are not looking good. So in 1979 his probation finally ended. He got a job at that point as an employee relations manager at Guy's Foods in Liberty, Missouri. It's like a warehousing kind of thing. He immediately started stealing and started. Wait, what? He did. It's crazy. It's crazy. And he also started having an affair with the secretary immediately.

Oh, well, well, well, well. And he literally created a fake employee and had them receive a paycheck, but it was just to his own bank account. How the fuck did he get away with that? I was astounded by the lengths and the ways that he is able to steal. Also, how are you a company

and you don't know who you're paying? Like, you're paying a human being that doesn't exist. Yes. How do you not realize that that person doesn't work for you? Exactly. It's because he's the employee relations manager, so he's in charge of all that shit. Wow.

Yeah. And I think there was a lot of employees in this company. That's smart. It just flew under the radar. Like smart and like the most fucked up way. In the most cunning. Smart. Fucking way, it's crazy. flew under the radar. Like smart and like the most fucked up way. In the most cunning, smart, fucking way.

It's crazy. He even used the stolen money to rent an apartment outside of town where he would bring women to to carry on his business. I was waiting for you to say that to be honest. Then the secretary who he's having in the fair with gets pissed. Yeah, because she thought she was the only like, well, and she's like, you need to leave your wife for me. And he was like, no. And she was the only life day. Well, and she's like, you need to leave your wife for me. And he was like, no.

And she was like, I want it all. And she was like, well, I want you to leave your wife and marry me. And if you don't, then I'm going to go to the police and tell them about you stealing from this place. That's a really good way to set up a great relationship. It's a really good way to start off. The long lasting, full of happiness. You be your wife and marry me, or I'm going to get you put in jail. Because I know that you're a fraudulent man. It's a really good way to start off. One last thing, full of happiness. You're a life and airy me, or I'm gonna get you put in jail.

Because I know that you're fraudulent, man. It's really great. Like this, everything I've ever dreamed of. Take a long look at the man that you were trying to lock down here. Yeah. Probably not the best in the bunch. No.

He's probably, he's like a bruised peach. He's that mirror, so it's better than that. Grab another one. So he wouldn't, he was like, I'm not leaving my way. So she told she, she like kept her brothers. But for her, because I would be scared of him. And he was fired and charged with felony theft. He had to pay 50 grand back. At this point though, it's like, yeah, he pays back the money every single time. And he just steals it. So why can't we just like put him in jail and then he won't have to do this anymore

and you won't have to waste your time. Well, this is what's so silly and they gave him 60 days in jail. That's not a lesson. 60 days and it was more like a vacation. Like I think in the book they described it as like a shock sentence kind of like, ooh, you got put in jail. Yeah.

60 days. He doesn't give a fuck. No, and he got like cool. I'm away from Nancy Joe. I can't stand there. Exactly. And he got five in jail. 60 days. He doesn't give a fuck. No, and he got, like, cool. I'm away from Nancy Jo, I can't stand there. Exactly. And he got five years probation, which he already did that. It's fine. Yeah, literally.

But he had some weird thing with his wife where he would not leave her. Like, he wasn't going to divorce her. He just, he needed to have his cake and eat it too. See, I don't even think that's weird though, because guys do that shit all the time. I think it's a pride thing. No, it totally is. It's weird to do. It's weird to do.

It's weird to do. And then like, it's had my cake and eat it too, scenario. Yeah. So he's like, no, secretary, I'm not going to leave my wife for you like, I want you and I also want her when I go home. Like maybe enter in one of those polyamorous relationships. Exactly.

That's what you want. But I don't know what it was with his wife. But also, I think he probably liked the whole scandal of it all too. Yeah. He didn't want to be in like... He likes the forbidden fruit. I think that's his thing. And I like he obviously likes the thrill of doing bad shit.

Because he likes the thrill of stealing. He likes the thrill of getting away with shit. He keeps doing it. So he obviously likes even when he gets caught because he's like, ooh, I got it way with it again. Let's see if I can do it again. I think it's one of those, I can't wait to see what happens next. I'm getting to the point of astrology

where I just want to do like everybody's chart that we cover. I feel like he has some Gemini in his chart because Gemini's are like always a little bit tempted by the bad side of things. I could see that. Because he's definitely got the Capricorn like, I wanna make money.

He's mine driven. But he's definitely money driven, but like in a very different way. Yeah, like this is, well he's not, he's a January Capricorn, right? No, he's December 27th, he's a day before my birthday. Oh, bitch, okay. He and his wife did at one point try to make it work.

They like went to council and stuff, but you know, things just kept going the way they were going. I just wanted to dance a hug. I know, I feel bad. So in 1984, he decided to start two more fraudulent companies. What else are you gonna do? The first one was Equa Plus. It was a consulting firm of sorts.

I feel like whenever somebody says that it's a consulting firm, it's just like code for like, I'm're doing something shady or like you won't understand right because there's like real consulting firms But like no one knows what that means. I don't know but like it's legit What am I consulting you like if you work at a consulting firm? That's legit. Just nobody knows what that means And you can say it and people will just go, oh, awesome. That's kind of how I feel about like nonprofits.

Yeah, like they'll never ask more about it. Yeah, no. So it's a way to be like shut down the conversation. If you tell me you work for a nonprofit, I'm like, that's amazing, good for you. And then I'm like, I'll you know what the fuck does that mean? Like, I love it.

It's like a charitable thing. Yeah, I know, but like there's so many of them and everybody works for one, but like everybody works for one. You all work for one of your videos. Good job. And so the first one was Equal Plus. The second one was Equal Two.

So Equal Dose. Equal Dose. Equal Do. It was also, that was also like providing consulting services to like charitable ventures and medical things. Like, that all that shit. He also got a duplex that he leased in another part of town. And there were rumors that he had opened it up

as a like a Bordello kind of thing. Oh, that triggered. We're getting wild. But was catering to rougher sexual interests and save the racism. Like, way rougher. Okay. Like that was the place you go when you like,

when the BDSM stuff isn't getting you going, like you're going here. Okay. He was also getting into like selling Coke on the side. It was really a matter of time. Yeah, he's touching all avenues. He was also like ripping lines, right? Yeah, he's got his, oh yeah, he's had to a bit.

Yeah. And he's definitely got his like all hands on deck. He's just touching everything. Yeah. All the bad shit. That's honestly all hands on deck is very capricorn-esque though. It is like I want to have my hands all in every thing. In every different things. Yeah, you're supposed to do them well and he's not doing that. Yeah. You don't have those two things. 1984. This is the year that everything's kind of like popping off for him. Also a great novel. This is when Paula Godfrey, who was 19 years old, she came on to work as a sales representative for his company.

And he's like old at this point. Yeah, and she had answered a, like an ad in the paper. And like, you know, he's older. She was coming to work as like a sales rep, you know, like a normal job. She had graduated from O'Lath, I believe it is North High School, only like the year earlier. She was well liked, she was very popular, she was an honor student, she was also a beautifully talented figure skater. Oh wow, that's a lot of work. But she had had

to take a little time off because she got sick and it like threw her game off so she was like I'm gonna get a job. She was also a very talented writer and was published regularly in a literary magazine. So a very well-rounded girl. Oh yeah. So she literally had everything going for. And he said when he hired her he was like okay I'm hiring you and a few other girls and I want you guys to go through a training program for like like clerical stuff and learning how to do the office stuff which was normal especially back then. Yeah. And he was sending them to a training program in San Antonio. Okay. And so he picked her up at her parents home on September 1st 1984 to bring

her to the airport. This is the last time that her parents saw her. Oh no. Her parents didn't get a call from her that night or the following day and they panicked. Her father, Bill Godfrey, actually flew to San Antonio to look for her. Oh, he panicked so hard. He found out that even though they had given them hotel information, she had never checked into that hotel. No. So he went back home and he tracked down Robinson. Right. And they had already filed a missing persons report

and police had already questioned Robinson. He denied any knowledge of where she could be. So her father went to talk to him or set himself and said, if I don't see my daughter in two days, I'm coming back and you're gonna be fucking sorry. Yeah. Literally, like away from the police was like, I'm not even gonna bring the fucking police in here.

I will fuck you up. Like, I will fuck you up myself. So you better. That's a dad. That is a dad. Immediately, within like a day, they received a typewritten letter with God-free signature at the bottom.

And it said that she was thankful for Robinson's help that she was all right. Everything was fine. And that Robinson had really given her such a good opportunity. And that she was thankful for Robinson's help, that she was all right, everything was fine, and that Robinson had really given her such a good opportunity, and that she was good, though she didn't wanna see her family. She was starting a new life. And her father was like, nope, he was like, first of all,

in that letter, there was like swearing, like speppered in, and she did not swear. Right. Two, she was a writer, and there was many grammatical errors and spelling errors in that. And he was like, I know my daughter. She's been fucking published in magazines.

Like she doesn't really like that. She doesn't talk like that. And it was signed love ya Paula. And she never would sign something like that. So the investigation ended up being terminated. Why? Because God-free was legal age, and they could not find any evidence that anything happened. So they just said that letter was like legit.

They said, she sent a letter. I know you're saying that it doesn't look like something she would say. We can't say that. We can't determine that she's 19. She's an adult. So if she decided to leave you guys and never come back, we can't do anything about it. So 10 or all. If she was like 16, that would be a different story,

but she's 19. We'd have so many questions and I need to keep going. Yeah. So no trace of polygod free has ever been found. So he must have forged her signature then like gotten it and then figured out how to forge it Yeah, because I thought you were gonna say like maybe he was like keeping her or something and then we were gonna find her

No, she's gone never been found It's just so strange too that all of a sudden he just like starts up this company and then like How did he escalate to murder like that? That's the thing so I think he obviously Since he wasn't into like regular BDSM, do you think it was one thing to be into BDSM? It's another thing to be into like a way fucking darker style, you know, like where like I said, he wasn't interested in consent. He was more interested in the pain, not the pleasure part of it, I think, because I know like BDSM walks that line

of like it needs to be equal parts, you know, like that's important. Right. But like he was not into that pleasure for the other person, or if I had a big of a strong pain, just like that. Like there was some like safe words involved, and stuff like that.

Straight up pain. Right. So I think he was already into inflicting pain. Okay. He was already into some bad shit. And then I just think it just escalated because it wasn't being satisfied with what he was doing.

And then I think he's getting these thrills from scamming, he's getting thrills from stealing, but it's not the thrill. And he's looking for more, more, more. And then he saw this as an opportunity. And he's also a fucking creep. He's probably raping people all over the place. I was gonna say it.

And it's like, so he's getting these thrills, but you're gonna escalate. It's gonna, there's gonna be a time where that's not enough and you need the next thing. Right. And I think he saw this as a good opportunity. So he, wow. And she was gone.

So around the same year in 1984, he also joined a secret Sadow Massochism cult. Oh, bitch. Called the International Council of Masters. This cult was actually born in London in 1921. Oh, wow. It was a bunch of straight-laced business dudes that started out.

They all wanted to just be a Dom, but like a different kind of Dom. And if you wanted to be in the club, you had to promise one not to talk about the club, don't talk about fight club. And also be really into dark shit like rape and like torture. You had to be in the match. And they created a rape and torture dungeon and shit in their little club.

And they wore purple robes and they kept sex slaves chained in white robes. His name on in this club that he joined was slave master. And he was tasked with luring victims to the gatherings to be raped and tortured by members. That is one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard of my life. He started getting into some fucked up shit. And yeah, so how do you go from just being like your everyday scammer, I guess,

and then wearing a purple robe and like being an occult? Yeah. Like what happens in life? What happens? I know you just answered that question, but like what the actual fuck? Well, and he started at one point later when the internet comes, we'll see,

like that's why the internet comes later when the internet enters the chat'll see like that's why the internet come later when the internet when the internet enters the chat. That's so that's when he said that's when he starts joining like really like sadistic shit online. Yeah. It's using that to get people. So it's like he's really into this shit and I think he's always really been into this shit and that's why he was cheating on his wife. That's why he was getting it elsewhere. That's why he was renting apartments to do his shit and... But then he realized that like consent wasn't his thing. But he's realizing that he just needs more, more, more.

He sees these people as his like kindred, you know, like their businessmen, they're like they're like me. Yeah, you're not a fucking business man. You know, you know, those people are fucked as well. And at one point in the mid-80s, he actually took his family on a European vacation with all the money he's well. And at one point in the mid 80s, he actually took his family on a European vacation with all the money he's stealing. And he still tried to BTK it by keeping up with the Joneses. He's trying to pretend to be a family man, even though they are seeing.

Like I told you, his neighbors are seeing it falling apart. Of course. But he's still trying to keep that whole desperately appearance. Yes. That whole facade going and he's starting these new businesses trying to be like You know what I slipped maybe a little but like here. I am on back. I'm a businessman again I'm like how many businesses can you create and I'll fucking lifetime so this is when shit gets really crazy

So December 18th the same year in 1984 There was a supervisor at the parole board that he had been working with They got a call from a woman and this woman worked at a local nonprofit group. I knew it was called birthright. And this birthright place was a place where single pregnant women could find support. Oh.

And this woman said that this guy named John Robinson called birthright and told her that he and like 15 other local business owners had started a nonprofit themselves. Yeah, I'm sure they were calling it Kansas City Outreach and they were offering a six-month program that would help pregnant single women gain job training. They were gonna give them housing, food allowance and just like get them on their feet. This is about to get so fucked, isn't it? He said they could live in the duplex he had. That's what he was gonna set.

He's a young pregnant woman. The one that we now know is a dark ass bordello. And they would get, each, they would each get money like a stipend every month. And he was asking birthright to refer some women to them so that they could start helping them. So they started referring women to him. But he kept asking, are you ready to see how

even shittier he gets? He kept asking if they were black or white. And then he would refuse any black mothers. He didn't want to help black mothers. What the fuck dude? I mean, he doesn't want to help anyone. I mean, looking at everything he's done, you're like, is it shocking?

Then he's also a racist piece of shit. But till he'd eat that up front about it. Wow. Well, in that upfront about it. Wow. Well, in that way, in general, that's why they called the parole board because they were like, ugh, like they were like, this is weird. Why is he like only wanting black, like white mother?

Why is he like, why is he straight up refusing to help black mothers? Like, this is weird. I leaves a bad taste in our mouth. So we wanted to call and find out what's happening here. Yeah, there's something at all. They started looking into it and seeing that he was also on parole.

So they called the parole and were like, what's happening here is he safe for not. Well, like, I'm not gonna send young pregnant women to somebody on parole. I'm sorry. I don't care what you're on parole for, no. Well, and they just thought it was weird that he was reaching out to get like young mothers

because they were like, there is like a black market adoption shit that they were worried that like they were gonna start doing this kind of stuff. Probably. So while the, so they're looking into this now, now they're starting to investigate it, but while they are doing this,

he has already moved on. He's already moving on to look for single young mothers at this place called Hope House, which was a battered women's shelter in Kansas City. This is a place where women would go. Yeah. And they had recently taken in of 19 year old mother of a four-month-old girl named Tiffany.

Her name was Lisa Stassi. And it was a social worker named Kathy, who told her that this group of local businessmen were calling and were all about helping single mothers and referred her to Robinson. Okay. Which I believe that social worker got in big trouble after this because like she didn't look into any of this.

Good. So they can just refer this young mother and baby. Yeah, look into fucking stuff. He introduced himself to her as John Osborne and he promised her a job in Chicago as a silk screener. He was going to get her own her feet. He was going to help her get her high school diploma, an apartment. He was going to get daycare for the baby. And so he was like, that's, she was like, this is amazing. This is going to ruin me, isn't it? Because she had been, you know, she had gotten married young to her, this guy named Carl, things had

not gone well when she got pregnant especially and he had gone off to the military and so she was kind of sent to the shelter and alone. So he actually made her and her baby stay with two other young mothers in a motel and he also made her write down the names, addresses a number of family members. Why? And then he was like, oh, just, you know, for reference and stuff. That was emergency call attacks, or something? Yeah.

And so there was one night where she showed up at her sister in the lost house. And I think she was just going over there for a visit. Like, she was allowed to go over there. Yeah. And so they were talking and she kind of mentioned that she was like, I don't know this John guy's like a little weird, but I don't know like he wants to help us, but I don't know if he's going to like kind of being like,

this whole situation is getting sticky. And her sister-in-law was like, something's off here. No. She was like, I don't like this. This is not so. I'm not into this. So during the, and I guess it was like a blizzard that night and John ended up calling the sister-in-law's house because he had the number.

Uh-huh. And he was like, I'm coming to get her right now. And I guess the sister-in-law was like, no, it's okay, she can stay here and he was like, no, she can't. And he showed up in a blizzard, parked down the street from the house, and then walked to get her and bring her back to the hotel. Well, I don't tell a fuck. If I was her sister-in-law, I would not let her leave. Yeah, if I would her and bring her back to the hotel. I thought, if I was her sister in law, I would not let her leave. If I would be holding her back, she was really upset.

And she was like, but she wouldn't stay with me. Yeah, and obviously you say that in the situation you can't do that. But it's like, you feel like, oh my God, I just want to reach out and grab her. And the next night, she called Lisa, called her mother-in-law hysterical. Oh, no.

And saying that John had told her that her mother-in-law hysterical. Oh, no. And saying that John had told her that her mother-in-law was planning to take Tiffany from her. Oh, yes. And that she had to sign four blank pieces of paper to like get control of her. Four blank pieces of paper. And so she was like, oh my god, like freaking out.

And her mother-in-law was like, no, like I would never take Tiffany from you. Like, no, that is not true. Like he's lying to you. And then she said, And then she said, And she said, don't sign anything. And she already had already signed it.

And then she said, in the last thing that anyone heard her ever say was to her mother-in-law and she said, I've gotta go, here they are. And then clicked it. Oh, who's there? Exactly. So everybody's like, what the fuck did she mean there?

Like, who are these people? Oh my, that is the most ominous thing. And poor mother-in-law to have like to think that Tiffany, oh my God, I know. I think that Lisa thought she was gonna take Tiffany away. She's like, oh my God, I hope you don't think that about me. And then that's the last communication you have with her. Is you trying to be like, oh my God, I would never take her.

Don't sign that stuff. And then she's like, I already did. And then she's like, they're here. Oh my God. And you have nothing you can do. This is reminding me of like the Colleen stand case a little bit. They're all in the box.

And it's like, we know those, he didn't belong to one of those like organization cult things. But you know that exists. And it's like, what know those, he didn't belong to one of those organization cult things. But you know that exists and it's like, what if he was having her sign that blank piece of paper so that she could sign like a slave contract? Exactly. That's what people think might have,

like nobody knows what happened here. That's so obvious. But what's, this is even crazier. Like this is the part that just blows my mind. Oh my God, how? So the sister-in-law and her actual, her brother-in-law and sister-in-law ended up calling the police after this. Sure.

And they find out John Robinson paid the hotel bill at that hotel and checked them out. Oh my god. And paid under his own name. What a fucking thing, yes. So they confronted him. And they were like, where is she? Like we know she was with you and he flew into a fucking rage on them. And it was like, how dare you?

Like, how dare you would choose me? I was taking care of her. I'm not like she left. I don't know what to tell you. That's like they ended up getting letters to from Lisa. That we're not. Not from Lisa because one of them was like typed and her mother even said like she doesn't know how to type.

Right. Like she couldn't have typed that. And so and it was all like I'm taking Tiffany and I'm like moving away. We're going to start a new life. Well, then does anybody know what happened to Tiffany? Well, yes. So can I is there a trigger where you've all, okay. No, Tiffany is alive.

Cause I was like, I'm gonna go. Tiffany is alive today. Okay. But wait until you see what, here what happened. So suddenly, that same night, he shows up at his own home, John Robinson, and hands his wife a baby. Just hands his wife a baby.

Oh my, she said this baby was dirty. She smelled she had a full diaper. She needed food like clearly and his wife cleaned her up. Oh my God. Got her went out and got her supplies and just cared for her. But did she ask who's fucking baby? She was like at first she just took care of the baby. Of course she didn't't even ask. She was like, I just, like she's like, I looked at this baby and I was like, I need to take care of her. Oh my God. And when she had cleaned her up, she was like,

Hey, who's this baby? Like, what's going on here? This isn't Harry Potter. And he said, okay, so this baby came from a private adoption agency and he said, I paid $4,000 for this baby and he said, I did it so that Donald's, his younger brother, and his wife could adopt the childs,

because they were, they were have struggling to get pregnant. And he said, I take care of my little brother. I told him I need help for him. And so he said, they're flying out tomorrow and they're gonna take her home with them. So do you think that's why he started this whole thing? Like a part, excuse me, part of the reason. But well, it was definitely part of it

because so they had been going through fertility treatments. Sure. For years, Donald and his wife, and they desperately wanted kids, like desperately. And he had told his brother this a year earlier, this was only a year earlier that he really found out about this at like a family reunion.

He had like opened up to him and said like We're thinking about adoption, but it's like really expensive and we really want a baby and John was like Donald I'm gonna help you like sit tight. I'm gonna find I'm gonna find a family for you I'm gonna do it, but he was making it seem like I'm gonna do this on the up and up But I'm gonna help you though, right? So he had called him and told him, hey, give me $2,500 and I'm gonna find you a baby. I have like business connections, history, just thing to say. Whatever.

So they were just psyched and they were ready to do that. They were like, we just want a baby. Like yeah. He's not believing his brother is gonna fucking steal a baby. And he's like, I'm paying. I will pay the adoption fee absolutely. That's like you just so. They don't just give you a baby as a baby. And he's like, I'm paying, I will pay the adoption fee, absolutely. That's like you just, so they don't just give you a baby

as a transaction. So, but he called him and said, a baby, a family has come up, a baby is available for adoption. They went crazy. They were so excited, they decorated a whole nursery. We're just ready.

On January 10th, he said, come now and get this baby, and they were on it. They were there the next day. They were like, boom, we're coming. When they arrived, he had fake documents and shit. Like, he had showed them documents. And this poor baby's mother. Yeah.

And that's the thing. So Donald and his wife are sitting there being, like, this is real. Like, we have documents. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course.

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And he said this baby's mother committed suicide. And he said early go fall. She committed suicide in a motel. And he was like, so, you know, this baby desperately needs a home. And like, I knew you were the right home for it. So they all went to the Robinson home and they met Tiffany. They renamed her Heather Tiffany.

And because they were told her name was Tiffany. Because her mother was. And she was like little enough where it was a little bad. She was only four months old at this point. So they renamed her Heather Tiffany. And they were so fucking happy. They took tons of pics. And I guess there's like a picture of this gathering

like because they were so happy They were pretty. Yeah, it's like a gancho day of John Robinson holding Tiffany and like smiling like in the picture Stone, and it's like he had just killed her mother Fucked he had just or he had either killed her mother which he definitely did with it or he had her Hell killing her mother. Yeah, what that What, where did you find this, what? Right, right. And they believe she was probably, first of all, they don't know what happened to Lisa.

So she's never been found. She's never been found. And they believe she was probably bludgeoned to death, but her body has literally never been found. Why did they think that she was born? I think they just like put together the pieces of what happened there. And there's not a lot of evidence, but they're just saying they think that she was born? I think they just like put together the pieces of what happened there. And there's not a lot of evidence,

but they're just saying they think that's probably what happened. Heather Tiffany found out that the person she knew as Uncle John was the man who stole her mother, stole her from her mother after murdering her and gave her to his brother later. She knew she was adopted, but she didn't find out until this all came out that he was a murderer in 2000.

That's when she found out that she was actually one of his victims children and that he had stolen her and given him to her. Like obviously I think like kids sometimes have trouble like coming to terms with the fact that they're adopted. Obviously like that's a tough thing to go through to add that on top. Oh, yeah. All of those layers. Oh, yeah. To find out that you in the person that you've been calling Uncle John murdered your mother and stole your kidnap to you. Yeah. And what's crazy, she grew up in a loving home with Donald

and his wife. Like, I guess they were wonderful parents. That's even more wild. Like, the people that like steal babies like at the nursery. And I guess when this all came out, Donald and his wife were so scared, mortified, Heather was going to be taken from them because it wasn't legal. And I think she was only like 13 or something at the time. Like, she was young enough that they could have,

and I guess they were like panicked. Like they, because they were like, we thought we legally adopted her. Like she's not our child. But then they have to sit there and prove like they're intent. I mean, prove and intent. That's the thing.

And so they did end up legally adopting her like that. Because they were, like she said, she's like, these are my parents. Yeah. Like they raised me and they did a wonderful fine parents. I love them. And like, but she was like, holy shit. And then Donald's finding out that his brother murdered

somebody and then stole the child and then made him pay for the child. Like, and then like forged adoption papers and like made him live with this now. Well, that's the other thing. It's like you're putting that guilt on somebody else that doesn't deserve. Like you have rocked this person's world. This is easily the one of the craziest cases you've ever told me about. And I'm just gonna, so a few days after she disappeared,

I told you like a letter was sent to her family. Lisa, right? Yeah, Lisa's family and they were typed letters in a Kathy, the sister-in-law actually received one. And because remember, like, he asked for family members' names, addresses, telephone, this is why he does this. So later, he can cover his dress. Cover his dress. What a piece of garbage.

And her letter said, dear Kathy, I want to thank you for all of your help. I have decided to get away from this area and try to make a good life for me and Tiffany. I borrowed some money from a friend and Tiffany and I are leaving Kansas City. The people you referred me to were really nice and helped me with everything. I'm very grateful for everyone's help. I will be fine. I know what I want and I'm going after it. Again, thanks for your help and hope, House, and thanks

for telling me about outreach. Everyone has been so helpful. I owe you a great deal. Again, she couldn't type. Right. That's a real long, really coherent letter to type. For someone that doesn't know how to type. And also, you didn't leave with Tiffany because Tiffany was given to John Robinson's brother. So did her family also find that out later?

That Tiffany was alive? Like, yes. And I guess Carl, the father, ended up wanting to be a part of her life, but she didn't want to be a part of his life. Yeah. And it got like really weird and kind of messy. She did get to know Lisa's mother. So her grandmother.

But her mother ended up a maternal way. Yeah, but her maternal grandmother and her did have a relationship. Well, that's good. And I think she ended up getting to know like Kathy and then she deserves to know. Mother-in-law as well. Her birth mother's family. But it's such I feel horrible for Heather.

I feel horrible for Heather and I feel horrible for Donald and his wife. Like it's truly out. And then like what a situation. So many people. So many people were. This guy is fucked up on literally like every imaginable level. Yeah. And what happened with Lisa Stasi is people stopped looking for her after that letter because

Robinson told police she moved away with a man named Bill to Colorado. And they just stopped looking because if they haven't, they have a letter and again she's of legal age. 19 years old. She's of legal age. She left with her daughter as far as they were concerned, they were both gone. Right, they didn't know. And then later they find out that the baby

was given to his fucking brother. But like Nancy Jo, like I just, I got, I'm like Nancy Jo. You know that your husband's a shady fuck and he shows up with a dirty baby. That's the, and like, I know like her first instinct was, which I'm glad it was, just care for that baby and like get her clean and stuff.

But you got a question, things. Then you have to go to the police and say, this is what's happening. Yeah, my husband is like an old-same, wild scammer. Yeah. He does all this shady shit, and he showed up with a baby. With a filthy baby. You know, I don't want to blame Nancy Joe, obviously.

But I think she's gone to the police and told them this maybe this would have been solved. And they could have looked for because they could have served like they could have at least looked into this baby and been like, who is this? Like, in the paper, because Donald would have produced the papers. I'm in like, these are my adoption papers. And they would have been like, these are fake. These are fake. These aren't real lawyers.

One, like, I would assume that like they fingerprint babies. They could figure out who this baby belonged to, and then fucking John Robinson finally could have gone to jail. So it's like I think a lot of people including probation officers, parole people, family, police officers, family employers, all fucking let him

fall through the frame and just let him scoot through life and just do this kind of shit We're not even done yet, but if you have taken one thing away from this case, it's Look into things just look into double check things don't take people's word for anything Don't worry about overreacting. No overreact way more than underreacting It's the same thing you would rather be overdressed than underdressed and you would rather overreact than underreact and avoid a crisis. It's like when we always say investigations, yeah, expend the resources. If it's for naught, at least she gave it your best show.

And you can sit there and say, I tried everything. Exactly. But you don't want to have to come later and say, I didn't do enough. And how the fuck is the fact that there's more to this case? There's more. There's more. And what we're going to get into in part two. There's more. So that's the end of part one.

Good because my head is like, it's like when you wake up in the morning, you fall all over. Yeah, and Heather has done like, there's some articles about her book. I think she's done like, I think she's done some kind of radio show where she talked about it a little,

but I think she's like a real badass for coming through it. I'm sure it's, I can't imagine that kind of. I'm not kidding. You're doing a world-rocking situation. She must feel like still to this day. It must be a crazy thought. And also, she's beautiful and she was so adorable as a baby. Oh, Heather.

The cutest little four-month-old I've ever seen. And when you see pictures of her, like as a toddler and stuff growing up with Donald and his wife, like it's clearly a very happy, it looks like a very good one. I'm glad that Donald and his wife are like, no more fun for the human headings.

I'm glad she had a good upbringing. Well, like thank God, like, John Robinson didn't adopt her. Yeah. I mean, obviously his children had a good life. Like he was able to provide for them. I guess, I don't know. Like, I don't know.

Well, we'll have to see if like any of them had come out at any point and said different. Because maybe it was all of a sudden. Yeah. And like, it sounds like Donald and his wife were happy and everything. So yeah. Yeah.

So. Wow, we, Kazawi. It's a real situation. So, wow. Hang tight for partawi. It's a real situation. So wow hang tight for part two of John Robinson Well friends, we hope you keep listening. We hope you keep it But not so weird that you literally I just like I'm too shook right now That's so weird that you literally scam the entire world the entire nation And murder someone and steal their baby and give it to your brother.

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