Morbid - Episode 244: John Edward Robinson Part 3

Episode Date: June 26, 2021

We’ve finally got to the third and final installment of Alaina’s deep dive into John Edward Robinson. Shit has gone down, the police have everything they need to close in on this monster and just wait until you hear about the mass of evidence found. This case will have your mind running in circles for the next 84 years. CHECK OUT THIS BOOK! Anyone You Want Me To Be by John Douglas and Stephen Singular As always,thank you to our sponsors: The Jordan Harbinger Show:Check out jordanharbinger.com/start for some episode recommendations, OR search for The Jordan Harbinger Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.  Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com/morbid to get up to forty dollars off your first box! Norton Lifelock: Opt in to Cyber Safety with Norton three sixty with LifeLock. Join now and save 25% or more off your first year at Norton.com/MORBID Hunt A Killer:go to HuntAKiller.com/MORBID and use MORBID, for 20% off your first box. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alaina. And this is morbid. Hey, we're back. Hey, we're back with a brand new case episode. It's not even a brand new case. It's not a brand new case. We've been living in this case for two whole episodes already. Yeah, we're about to get evicted after the end of this. John Edward Robinson is not gonna quit. He is not legit, but he's definitely not gonna quit. Eventually he's

got it. But don't worry at the end. He's forced into retirement. So, where's that? Well, we were like, is there any true crime news? And I was searching here on my little phone thing and I was like, oh, okay, there is some true crime news, some local true crime news. Yes. And Cape Cod, there's apparently a man, Daniel Gorman, 52 years old, he lives in West Falmouth, and he has been following young women, leaving restaurants. He followed a girl home last night, apparently. He drives a black Chevy

truck. The plate number is 6GP914. I guess he was like questioned by the police, but they didn't have enough to hold him on. But there was a 16 year old girl who was walking home from her job in Falmouth, and a black SUV began following her. They asked if she wanted to ride home. She said no. And then the car stopped, got out, and the person was literally trying to pull her into the car. And the vehicle was described as a black SUV that makes a squeaking noise. The operator was a white male approximately six feet tall,

40 to 50 years old, deep voice, black t-shirt, dark pants, and short if not balding hair. So please be on the lookout for that local lady. Be careful and get calm. And then everybody, like be on the lookout. Yeah, in the Falmouth area. So creepy. Don't ever try to drag me into your car.

I'll make you a knee-eye ball. Oh, that's a nightmare. That's a nightmare. That's a nightmare. Go get mace if you live in the cape. Yeah, if you live in the cape. In, that's a nightmare. That's a nightmare. Go get me if you live in the cape. Yeah, if you live in the cape. In the cape. Where are you from?

It's on the cape. I'm from inside of the cape. But yeah, that's really scary. Hopefully that doesn't happen again. Life is so scary. I'm glad that we have these ways of like spreading this though and being like, don't get in that car. Seriously.

Don't talk to that dude. But still. But still. But still. That's terrifying. But you know what? We got you through two parts of this asshole too. Don't talk to this dude either.

Don't. You don't have to worry about it because he's put away. So it's cool. But that's spoiler alert. Let's get into it. At the end of part two, he had convinced several women. He had convinced Isabella Lluica. He had convinced Susette Trouton.

He had convinced Catherine Clampett. He had gotten Debbie and Sheila face to come out to Kansas from different states, promising them jobs, promising them new lives, promising to take care of them. Sheila and Debbie were a mother daughter, 15-year-old disabled in a wheelchair with Spina Biff at a daughter.

That one ruined me. That he promised to take care of, sent to a special school, help her with medical bills, all that stuff. It's just, this dude is fucking terrible. Evil to the core. And now he has the last victim that he has Basically made vanish from to finair is Susette Trouten

He the last we saw him was he had gone through all her computers and he had put her stuff in storage She gave her dogs away And he had told her mother Carol that he was going to be jet setting her, you know, through Europe and all that good stuff. Lies. But her mother immediately knows that these emails and letters that she's getting are not from care, not from Susette. Of course she knows it. Now, her mother called the police in late March because she was that, she was like something's wrong here. Yeah. And they talked all the time. Right. At least once a day, if not several times. That's so heartbreaking. So the police started looking for her and they found her dogs. They did track down the two dogs that had been adopted out. And when her mother found that out, she said,

that's when the panic button went off because she said she never, ever would have willingly giving up those dogs. It never would have happened. No. And then they found out that her stuff was in a storage facility called Store for Less. Store more for less. That was weird. That set off alarm bells. They noticed Robinson also had a unit there in the same storage facility under his name. And they made the connection immediately. Because of that. They've been looking at this guy. They know that people are just appearing around him, that women are. So've been looking at this guy. They know that people are just appearing around him that women are. So they're already thinking this guy's a creep. So they started looking into this because he's made

a ton of waves. I mean, first we had Paula Godfrey, we had Lisa Stasi and her daughter. Now we have all these missing women. Like he's making waves. Yeah, he's making tsunamis. And he's been able to get away with all this. Like people haven't looked too far into him

because he's so far picked women that he can, he like makes a relationship with. He's convinced them to do these things that will give complete control to him. And then he's also got all these different ways of like housing them. So it's hard to keep track of where they are. Well, in just ways of like forging their names. Yeah. Just like he gets them to write their names on things and addresses of friends and family, so he's able to keep giving them these backgrounds and keep giving them these stories of where they are and people aren't questioning it. And most of them are of an age where if they decided to take off, they're

taken off. We can't do anything about it. So Carol also did something different. She called Robinson herself. Yes. She was able to do this because Su-Zet had actually gone against what Robinson had told her. Robinson told all of these ladies, never to tell people his name,

not any of his contact stuff like he didn't want any of that, but Su-Zet had smartly given his information to her mother. Yeah, good. We love a mama bear. He said he was like shocked when she called, like really shocked that she had done that. He told Carol, her mother, that Susette had rejected him

and run off with a man named Jim Turner. They're super happy. She didn't want my job offer. She didn't want to be with me. Like they're happy. Yeah, right. They're super happy. She didn't want my job offer. She didn't want to be with me. Like they're happy. Yeah, right. She knows her daughter. And he had said that she was sailing around Mexico

with Jim Turner. That's what he told her. Sure. So she was like, yeah, that doesn't sound right at all. So she was like, you know what? I'm going to call the fucking police if you don't tell me where she is. And it scared the shit out of them.

Good. So this is when shit gets good. This is when shit starts unraveling around. Because she's going to call the police. He knows this. So he's like, fuck. I'm like biting my lip back on. The other thing is, you're like, what's going to happen? Like, fuck. The other thing is, Suzette had made some really good friends in life and in the online world. Because remember, she was online a lot. She met a lot of people. She made lasting friendships. And in the BDSM community, she had some very good friends

who were also like occasional lovers and whatever. With, in two of them, in particular, one was named Lore Remington. That's his name, her name. Excuse me, that's her name. That's her E. Lore Remington. Okay.

What an awesome name. That's a cool ass name. And an awesome podcast. Go with an Alure.O.R.E. L.O.R. Remington. Okay. What an awesome name. That's a cool ass name. And an awesome podcast goes into L.O.R. Hey. And her friend Tammy Taylor, they had all been very good friends. They had all like really formed a relationship. They had been like occasionally in relationships themselves between each other. And they were super worried about her because these were also the friends that immediately had advised her against moving out there in the

first place. They were not, they did not trust this whole thing. Right. You had said that her friends were like very skeptical. Yeah, and they were very concerned that she was now nowhere to be found. They knew she wasn't talking to her mother all of a sudden or she was talking weirdly to her mother and emails and shit. It just wasn't. And there were like, none of this is making sense. We know Suzette. This isn't her.

So they talked to police and they basically were like, they were like, here's what our relationship with her is. They outlined everything about it and they said, we know that she was going out there to Kansas City. She was going to work for a guy. His name was, you know, John. And this guy is very active in the BDSM community. And lore in particular said, I know where to find him online. And she was like, I've seen him a

ton of times in those chat rooms. I've seen him since who's that went out there in those chat rooms. He has propositioned everyone around me and me at different times. So she said, if you want me to go undercover, I will go undercover in that chat room. I will talk to him. I will get as much information as I can and I will try to make him slip up. Lower fucking Remington. Fucking lower Remington.

Or the mother fucking wind. Did any of us, for one second question, never, whether lower fucking Remington would go undercover and get this fucker. Lore Remington was born to go undercover. Did any of us question it? I came out of the womb with a fucking trichro. She was ready.

Ready. Ready to go. And she just offered this. That's cray cray. And this was one of those situations where they had never been, they hadn't been dealing with this kind of like like basically an online serial killer who was like luring women over the internet to come to a different state to kill them.

I mean, like you have said, the internet was brand spank and news and it's impenetain. There wasn't even fucking date line. Yeah, there you go. Well, not date line, the one. Was it date line? The one that undercut and they, they, yeah, I know what you're talking about,

the cataculture editor. Yeah, to catch a press, Christ. I was like, what's that? I was like, the, the, this, this, this. Like Chris Hansen thing. Yes, they did. Yes, so, yeah, so she, they had never used a civilian to go online undercover.

They had obviously used, they knew, like, in form of our always existed, but like, I'm like online. This was just like a very different thing Yeah, and John Douglas in the in the books says a lot like how new this was and how they were trying to navigate it very Quickly very Efficiently and like make this work, but it was all again brand spanking new so they were doing the 90s and the early Outs were just it guys. There was such a time. I miss it.

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So basically, they were going to do a sting operation to get information about Susette, but it was going to be a long one because they knew they weren't going to get him just to like spill shit right away. Yeah, it's smart. He's the manipulative one. We're gonna have to make sure you don't get played. Laura is not gonna get played. She's not getting played. Don't even play. So they went for it and they connected online. Lauren, John, immediately. Wow. And he was hooked immediately because who wouldn't be by Laura? Because her fucking name is Lauren. And basically was ready to start a master slave relationship with her like right off the bat. He wanted naked photos of Laura and she was like, no, no, he wanted her to come to Kansas like immediately was like, let's do it. Like she was his next.

Wow. Like, boom, let's see. How scary that must have been for her to know. She knows that's what he's fantasizing about murdering me. And he also started messaging lore as Susette and pretending to be Suzette and be like, oh, John's really great. Like, you should definitely come out here. And that's her, and he doesn't even know that that's her friend. But he's, she's like, basically Suzette is being, and well, then she kind of like,

she did let out a little bit. Like, oh, like, I've seen Suzette in these chat rooms. Sure. Like, I've seen her. I know her. So that's when he sent fake Suzette to be like, oh hey girl, he's so awesome. Like, you should totally come out here, John's the best, like he's such a good master and like we love him and like he's taught me so much about this.

And lore knew it wasn't Susette. Like she was like the way she was talking, I know her, like I know her, that's not her. And Tammy Taylor tried to do the same thing. She got in on it now too. So she started luring him as well. We love a friend group that is this solid. What a squad.

Like what a squad goal. That is a team right there. I retract my statement about a last episode squad goals and I'm referring it to this one. Yeah, squad. He acted the same way to her, totally ready to add another woman to the list, like, ready. Wow.

So they're trying to do stuff. They're like, they're emailing with them. They're not getting anything really solid. So this is gonna be a long process and they're willing to do it. They're like, we'll sit here and do it. Now, police became aware at this time of more women that he was currently checking into motels

and apartments all over. No, thank you. So they formed a legit task force that was created just for John Edward Robinson. And after they went through all his criminal records and shit, they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We need Stephen Haymes on this. Like he needs to be on this task force. So they called him and they were like, we need your help. And it was a Johnson County District Attorney Paul Morrison, who I mentioned the last episode. He led the task force. And detectives were now learning from Laura and Tammy

more about like the BDSM worlds. They, which like I give them props that they like wanted to understand this more so they could better understand him. Like they were thinking like profilers props that they like wanted to understand this more so they could better understand him. Like they were thinking like profilers and that's like interesting. Yeah. Because like I'm sure this like police department was not like very equipped to deal with like all of this. You know, I wouldn't think so.

Like in the like the Midwest, they're not like this police department is probably not like, yeah, we're totally up on all like the kinks that could possibly involve. We have a whole book on that. So they had Lauren Tammy literally sit down and like explain the ins and outs of these relationships, what they should be, what this looks to be, and like how this isn't the same. And basically we're just trying to understand

like how they could get to him kind of thing. And so they were tailing him, they were tapping his phones. Wow. They even had officers pretending to be utility workers outside of his home to watch him. That is amazing. They had others that were literally sunbathing in neighbor's yards just to watch him. Like pretending to be neighbors just like sunbathing in their backyard. And also they worked out a deal with the garbage collectors. They would come early to his house, empty his trash for them, give them to these detectives to bring back to the station so they could pick through all of his trash to find evidence

while. And they would replace the barrels. Now the problem here was that Robinson had been conditioned to feel impenetrable. He got away with everything and he literally just floated through the disappearances of was that Robinson had been conditioned to feel impenetrable. Right. He got away with everything, and he literally just floated through the disappearances of polygod-free, Lisa Stasi, her daughter Tiffany, Catherine Clampett. So Paul Morrison, the DA, like I said in the last episode,

he was like, we're gonna make sure that we are able to nail him on the Susette Trout in case at the very least. They were like, we want solid evidence that we're going to put his ass behind bars for good. Like this needs to be not getting out of it. Life imprisonment or in Kansas, they were like, or death penalty. We're going to get this fucker. So they didn't want any more of this probation crap. They didn't want him wiggling out from any more fucking charges.

So the progress was unfortunately slow, but it was very very deliberate Paul Morrison said quote at the time he said I'm pretty invested in this case The amount of victimization that he has wrought on people is beyond comprehension in so many ways every day people have been Victimized by him and from that standpoint, it's extraordinarily important that it be stopped. Yeah. So this is when they actually got a hold of FBI profilers in Quantico. And John Douglas talks about this obviously because he's like the, he's where you should go for that. And he was saying like this was really smart of them to do. And they, they could have done even more with it because there's so many facets to John Robinson and seeing how he was able to like totally like associate with two different

ways of living at once like he really was especially at this point in like 2000 and stuff. He was a he was a grandfather of seven grandkids seven. Yeah, wow and by all accounts They fucking loved him his kids loved him. They loved he baby sat his grandchildren He had a Santa suit. He was the local Santa like he was a fucking insane There is I mean it is literally like that jekyll and hide I think it's unreal. That's crazy and And by all accounts, he was like really good with kids. That's so good. Which is really, it's always strange when that's a thing.

And terrifying. I don't know why. It's just always like, throw, I'm like, why? Because I don't want John Robbins to be good with life. Why can you do that to women? But then be nice to, I don't understand. No. But like they're, I don't, I don't.

It's even like, I mean, I'm happy when animals aren't hurt, but it's always like strange when like, there will be like a very statistic murderer who like. It's even like, I mean, I'm happy when animals aren't hurt, but it's always like strange when like, there will be like a very statistic murderer who like has a dog. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like very strange to me. So like John Douglas was saying in the book that like, you know, going to Quantico

and talking to these pro-files to try to get a better understanding of him was smart because it helped them understand ways that they could trip him up. And understand ways that he might trip up because he was so fucking well like really good at covering all of this. So they were gonna have to find a way to like find a little break in the armor kind of thing and they weren't equipped to do this. Because then we're adding in this whole world of BDSM and

master slave sexual relationships and he was part of this weird club and like that it goes so much further with it. So it's like that's a whole different set of psychology that you need to deal with. So he's a lot on paper. Exactly. He really is. So in the meantime, he had convinced two other women to come to Kansas and be his sex slaves. In the meantime, they were both treated horrifically and put up an extended stay hotels where the police were staying in the rooms on either side of the room that he would thank them and God because they were they were stationed there because he always used a number 120 that room. He always used creepy. And they would listen, but there was problems here because so he would be very violent, like not BDSM violent where they, you know, say for its expectations, trust all that.

He was violent like beating these women for his own pleasure and taking photos of them to later use to blackmail them. And he would obsessively call them and show up to have sex with them and then leave them abandoned for days at a time to really fuck with their psyches. That's so fucked. And one of these women had brought, and this sounds like you're gonna be like, what? One of these women had brought $700 worth of sex toys

with her in a duffle bag. And he stole them as punishment, like took them from her, and she didn't have anything. And I think, I guess this was just one thing that was like hers. Sure. $700 is a lot of money. Yeah.

Especially for sex toys. I'm sure him stealing that from her was like, what the fuck? After he put her through all of that. Right. So he like, because she wasn't being a good, you know, sub or whatever it was. So he took them and like walked out of the hotel and was like, these are mine now.

This pissed her off. So all the other stuff was like, she felt just like beat down. This was the tipping point of like that fucker. So she called the police. Okay. The other woman that was going through this as well at the same time was so traumatized by his treatment of her that she went right to the police as well. Wow.

And she had to be put in a safe house. Oh my goodness. She was so fucked up from it. And she went to them and was like, I did not enter into this for this. Like I did not sign up for this. This is not what I wanted. Like, and she was embarrassed

because she was like, I'm into like a little bit of this stuff but like I'm embarrassed about it. Like, and this is not what I wanted. Like, and I just really scared that. And this is not what I wanted. Well, I'm just so scared that people are gonna look at it. They're like, well, you know, you sign up after this. Or there's something she was like, this is not what I asked for.

I was into a consensual, trusting media. Which is why it's so great that they did end up having lore and educate them about it. Yeah, so that they could understand that this wasn't a case of you asked for it. This is a case of like, there's real rules involved here. Right. But the problem was that the police are sitting there.

They're seeing this. They're seeing that things are going on. They're hearing things, but they can't really do anything. But there's a sexual component to this and there's consent that is in some way happening here. And these are adults. Well, unfortunately, they shine. like unfortunately. So they're really do much. They signed like,

and they signed contracts. So it's like, there's a lot of weird, just fogginess that is happening here that the police are like, we don't know how to fucking intervene here, because like there's only so much we can do. Technically,

this is technically a weirdly consensual relationship. That's happening. Even though it's not. When obviously when they came to him to the police and said he stole $700 or some things from me or he sexually assaulted me, that's when they said, okay, we can do something now. But still, at this point, he was also still with Barbara. Barbara, the woman that he walked by in the grocery store with Nancy,

the one that Nancy wrote a letter to, that he had been with for like 35 years at this point. That's crazy. Still with Barbara, and he was telling Barbara at this point that they are going to move to Canada together and start a new life. So she, do you think she was next

or do you think he was dip in Canada? I think he was dip in Canada. Wow. Because Barbara packed all her shit, she was ready to go. I don't was dipping a Canada. Wow. Because Barbara packed all her shit. She was ready to go. I don't know, I don't really know how to word this without it sounding like, eh, but like, I just, I don't understand how he chose who he was gonna kill

and who he wasn't gonna kill. I have no idea. Like it's just like very confusing, not like Nancy and Barbara were never like, physically hurt to our knowledge. I think because Barbara, I don't know exactly how Barbara came into the folds, but it's like Nancy and Barbara to me seem, well there's a couple of things here

because in one way I can like say that this works but in another way it doesn't. Okay. Because I was gonna say like Barbara and Nancy are almost like the only long term stable, who everybody's like that he loves. That he loves, he's so much from.

But he looks at them as like, like he's never gonna leave his wife. Yeah, no, of course not. He's that's his life, that he goes back to that. Well, right, that's what it means. And that's his stability of like, I can chill out here.

That makes me go get my rage out over here. I think Barbara somewhat resembles that as well because he gave her all of like Isabella's shit and he like kept her there. It's really going. Barbara, that's like the confusing relationship in my mind. Well, but I could almost put her in the same place as Nancy because he seems to almost hold them

in the same kind of regard. He does, you're right. But then I throw Beverly Bonner in there who, because I was going to say these other women, he lures off the internet except for Beverly and promise of this and promise of that. It's all this sex involved in BDSM and all that. But Beverly was married and had a job and wasn't looking for a new job. Okay. And had a job and wasn't looking for a new job. So maybe, we know that Nancy wasn't into the BDSM lifestyle.

No, we don't really know about Barbara. Barbara was, I think. Oh, okay, so that goes my theory. I think Barbara was in the... I was gonna say maybe... I don't understand that now. Every time I think that... No, I don't know.

That's why there's no understanding him. And that's why they reached out to the FBI profilers and Veronica, because they were like, help us understand this. I know I love that. I'm like, maybe I can figure this out. Meanwhile, the FBI's like, girl, we didn't. Meanwhile, John Douglas, like, mind-tunters, like, I have no idea what that was.

Yeah, because it's amazing. But I want to figure it out. I'll call you. Also, John Douglas, come on the show. Please. Yesterday. But either way, I'm like, it's a mix of. But I want to figure it out. But I like, we'll figure that out. John Douglas, I'll call you. Also John Douglas, come on the show. Please, yesterday. But either way, so he's still seeing bar,

all of these women that I have named to you, all of these encounters, all of these murders, all of these terrible, terrible things that are happening. Yeah. These relationships that he's carrying on, these affairs that he's carrying on, these terrible things he's doing He is still maintaining a wife and family and he's still maintaining a full-time mistress in Barbara and then telling her

We're gonna move to fucking Canada And Barbara's on it like she's into it. Yeah 35 years this girl has dealt with this stuff. I'm like Barbara. What are you doing? Makes no sense But either way Su-Zets family is getting more and more typed letters still. Through this whole thing, that has not stopped. They're getting letters. I hate it. The correspondence has not stopped.

And now it's saying that she's with her lover, Jim Turner, and that they're sailing around Mexico like he had told everybody. Survey service. And they're having a great time. No. They're having a great time. No. They're having a great time. Now, then during the investigation, investigation and the surveillance,

they found out that he had lured yet another woman from Tennessee to come live with him in Kansas. Wow. Now, initially, they're like, Jesus Christ, like another one. Like, what do, but they're like, what are we gonna do? And they're thinking like I just said,

it's gonna be the same shit. We're gonna hear all this stuff, we're gonna see all this stuff. There's gonna be contracts involved, they're gonna be adults. We're not gonna know what to do. What are we gonna do? We do get into this,

we're gonna keep watching this happen. We gotta catch him in something, but they learned that this woman from Tennessee had an eight year old daughter who she would be bringing with her. She lived in Kansas because he had promised her a life. He had promised her a life. Oh, no, of course. I'm just saying, ah, because I know what's going to happen. Exactly.

But so he had also come in contact at the same time that he was bringing this Tennessee woman with her eight-year-old daughter to Tennessee. He had also come in contact with a 17-year-old girl who had just given birth. That's underage. And was living in her car with her newborns. She was in such dire straits. You poor thing. He had told this girl,

if you become my sex slave, I will move you in the infant onto my farm. I'll give you a chance at a good life. You just have to do this for me. And she was desperate. Of course. This is when D.A. Paul Morrison decided decided it's time to move in on him now because he was like it was the children who tipped the scales for him because he said

there was no doubt from any of us that he was capable of harming children if it got in the way of what he was doing. And he said you know with how he is with women and girls, it's not a jump to think that if a kid got in his way, that he would hurt the child. And at this point, they didn't know what happened to Tiffany. Right. So they were like, we don't know if that did happen. Right. So they said, you know, like we said, we can't get too far into like these relationships we were seeing with women that were seemingly like paperwork and all that shit. But once kids are coming into the fold,

that's when we came to college. And like John Douglas was saying, like you bring an eight year old into this like crazy ass world. We got to stop this. Right. We can't just sit back and watch this and survey it. We can't do that.

It's a baby. So Friday, June 2nd, 2000 at around 10am, nine officers arrived and surrounded his farm and he let them in. Knocked on the door. He let them in and they let him know everything they knew. He had a farm for real. It was on a farm like the trailer was on a big farm. Oh, gotcha. And he was shocked when they mentioned Lisa Stasi in Suzentra. They said he went paler than a ghost. And they were like, what's weird is he's always so charismatic

and he knows what to say and he's always like, blah, blah, blah, do, blah. And as soon as he mentioned those two, he was like, whoop. And he was like, I'm surprised he didn't continue to go with the same story though. Well, they told him basically like, we don't buy it. We have evidence that suggests otherwise.

Right, like fuck right off with that. We know you're telling lies. So they arrested him at his home. He was charged for the sexual assaults against those women who did go to the police. And the theft of the duffle bag of sex toys worth $700. That's a big amount. Who knew that would do it?

That's the thing that tipped him around. The smoking dillow. Thank goodness that she got pissed about those sex toys and then goodness the other girl went for the sexual assault charges. Yeah, because you want more. Was initially set at 250,000. Then they searched his property for hours.

They took tons of evidence, they took tons of photos, they found a blank sheet of paper that had Lisa Stasi's name on it that he had kept. After all those years. 15 years he had kept that piece of paper. Wow. Then I don't even know where my birth certificate is.

Exactly. Well then, they found blank sheets of paper that Lisa Stasi had written on, and they also found receipts from back then as well, and one of them was a receipt from the roadway in 15 years ago where he had kept Lisa Stassi and the receipt showed finally that he had checked her and Tiffany out of the hotel the night that he had ripped them away from her sister-in-law in the middle of a snowstorm. And they said she likely died that evening. Wow. And finally they were being able to piece these pieces together.

But I don't know where she is. I desperately don't worry. And Heather Tiffani doesn't worry because she is. And don't worry because she is. At the end of this, I have some resources that Heather Tiffani has become a part of and created herself. So I'll definitely shout those out. They also found social security forms for Debbie and Sheila Face, the mother daughter. Wow. The mother and disabled

daughter who disappeared. I mean, what was that? Like 10 years or whatever. Or not even 10 years probably. No, that was more recent. Yeah, but it's still in the 90s. Either way, he found their social security for like, why would you have those? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They also found credit cards and credit card builds. Bills that were under the name James Turner. There was a checkbook with John Robinson and Barbara's names on it. He had opened a checking account with her. I am not okay.

Thank you. That, I know that's like a small family. No, it's not. What the fuck? No, dude, me and Drew have been together for four years and we don't have a checking account together. What'd you do to me? I mean, like I get there, we don't have a checking account together. What's you doing? I mean like I get there were together for 30 but like they're not still.

Oh, that's your mistress I'm so confused. Like you do have a check book with both of your names on it. In the same. And you are full blown married to another woman with a full will-ass family. And those check books are in this in between. And those check books were found in the trailer where he lived with his wife, right? Yes. Yeah. It was? Yes. Yeah.

It was like office. Yeah. Snoop through your husband's stuff, everyone. For real. If this doesn't tell you. I snoop all the time. I'm a snooper. I'm a snooper.

Well, and honestly, it's like in this case, it's like you had to be thinking something. I mean, come on. Like, I don't just snoop, just snoop, but like if you think something's going on, they also got to search. So they also got a warrant to search the storage facility he used in this area. And in this area it was need more storage. It was called. No, you don't.

He does not. So, Suzette Treltan's passport application, Social Security card and birth certificate were found in that storage. They also found the 42 pre-addressed envelopes that he had made her fill out because he claimed that you would be so busy. So we had them write those to fill the bag. Imagine finding 42 addressed envelopes. Yeah, and also they found 31 sheets of paper with love via Suzette written on them, 31 sheets of paper with love via Suzette written on them like as a buy Mm-hmm 31 sheets. I gotta go. They found a slave contract that was signed by Suzette a stun gun a picture taken of Suzette And sexually explicit positions or several pictures. Excuse me And also a sex tape he made of her him abusing her ah. Ah! And it was like a 39 minute tape.

I don't like that. Her belongings were also in there including her journal and like several like close possessions. Isabella Luecka's driver's license was in there. Her university ID from Purdue, a signed slave master contract from her, nude photos of her and sexually explicit positions. There were also tons of sex toys and

BDSM tools, vloggers, cops, all that shit. He even had a metal speculum. What is that? What they use at the gynecologist? Yep. I wish you could see. Absolutely. Just made the like motion of us. Oh, yeah. motion of oh yeah oh so no no that's what I said when I read it I said no no I words can't no this now we're going into like toy box killer kind of shit I don't like it at all yeah they also found the sex toys that were stolen from that woman so oh so she got the baths in there so the sex toys that were stolen from that woman. Oh, so she got the bath? She was in there. So this whole thing was led by Sargent, the search at the property too,

at the home, excuse me, the trailer. It was led by Sargent Rick Roth of the La Nexa Police Department in Johnson County Sheriff's Deputy Harold Hughes. On June 3rd, they brought in cadaver dogs at the farm and eventually they picked up a scent. And they picked up a hard scent like they went like bonkers. They immediately alerted officers that there was a cadaver scent around 285 gallon yellow

barrels next to Robinson's shed. When they moved the heavy barrels, officers noted red fluid dripping out of them, and the scent began to fill the air. They pried the cover off, and immediately were literally thrown backwards with the worst scent of decompt they had ever smelled. Consolidated and up in like that, I can't even imagine. From the book that I've mentioned like a million times, it says, Hughes peered inside at what seemed to be decomposing flesh.

A body with its head pointed down, sitting in about a foot of rancid fluid. It was bloated and purplish. So they did the same thing with the second barrel and found another body with a pillow on top of it. It looked like it had been there longer than the other barrel's occupant. Inside the trailer, they started looking some more now because now they have bodies, so now they look, let's look for some blood. In the trailer, they found duct tape with blood on it,

paper towel with blood on it, blood on the baseboard in the bedroom, and they also found hair and flesh embedded into the wall in the bedroom. Flesh. Yep. And they found more bud stains around the room and also an impact stain, which is consistent with the proposed murder weapon we will find out in a second of a hammer because it created

a splatter impact stain. And the blood in hair was found later to be Susette's. So the bodies were immediately taken into custody. They were autopsyd by Dr. Donald Pogeman. He was a pathologist in the deputy coroner of Shawnee County, Kansas. The first barrel, which they just called it first, unknown one, was a nude female in the fetal position.

She had long dark hair and a ponytail and pierced genitals. She was blindfolded and she had a severe head wound to the left side of her head that was determined to have crushed her skull beneath it. They determined it was done with a hammer. It was done so hard that skull pieces were found inside her brain from the wound. No defensive wounds were on her, suggesting she didn't know the blow was coming, was caught off guard, or knew her attacker, or all three, which I think all three I would think. She was the estimated time of death had been a couple of months to a year.

Within a couple of days, dental records showed that this body belonged to Suzan Trouton. She also was found to have a, there was a, like a, what is it called? Yeah, like I said, she was blindfolded. There was, it was like a, I think it was like a satin kind of like fancy blindfold. Sure. So I said it was likely like used in some way. And actually going back to the Pierce genitals thing that reminded me of the Colleen stand case. That's a thing and like those relationships. That's the thing.

So that's why they were like, okay, this is connecting. Now, barrel number two was unknown too. That's what they called it at first. It was another female body nude, except for two was unknown too. That's what they call that at first. It was another female body nude, except for a sheer black shirt. There was a ton of fluid around her, and they found duct tape and fingernails floating in the fluid.

Oh my goodness. She had dark hair that was matted to her head, and a pillow and pillowcase was found on like in the fluid on top of her. Her, I know fluid is such a gross word. Her wounds were too blows to the left side of the head, consistent with the hammer. She also had a fractured jaw.

Decomposition showed she was dead between six months and two years. Within days, dental records gave them her identity and it was Isabella Lueca. Now they were cooking and they want a warrant for that storage place in Missouri now. Yeah, I have a question about the pillow. Do you think that that was just in there?

Because it was like evidence or do you think that? Yeah, I think it was probably just part of it. It's interesting because she lived with him the longest. She lived, I mean, she didn't live with him though. But I lived with him like a month, for a while, for a while. So I just wonder if there was like some with him like a month or a while. For a while. So I just wonder if there was like some sense of like nothing. None.

Yeah. Literally see her apart, I believe. So there was any kind of even psychological thing. No. But that I think it probably had shit on it. Probably in there with her. That's what I wanted to tell you. I literally think that's it.

I wouldn't give this guy even a moment of like feeling anything for this. No, I didn't think so, but. No. What's weird is it's like he's caring by all accounts to like his children and his grandchildren. I don't think he has the capacity for these women though. No, does Barbara come out and say anything at any point? Not really.

Oh, yeah. I mean, she kind of just is like, whoa. It's crazy. Maybe what I would also say. I think, wow. Whoa. That's really nuts. But now that all this is coming out, things are going. And now they want to warrant for that storage place in Missouri because they're like, what

are we going to find there? And that's a one that's called store more for less. And they got it. And on June 5th, they opened Locker E2. There was a lot of stuff in there. But it was just like a ton of shit. Just like what you would put in a storage facility, but there was also three big barrels. And remember, Beverly, when he drove Beverly's car there and rolled a big barrel in there.

So I just remember that. This was that storage facility. So they opened one of the barrels storage facility. So they opened one of the barrels and they saw a shoe, a bedsheet, and glasses. And when somebody lifted one of the items, a human leg was under it, and they closed that barrel. The other two barrels were leaking a lot, and it was really foul smelling in there, like really badly. Other people around these lockers actually had complaints. It was a permeating error around it. And he had said like a dead raccoon had caused it at one point. Yeah, no, I don't think so. He had actually poured kitty litter

around the bases of these two barrels to try to mask the smell, but like... That only makes it worse, my dude. Come on, dude. Like, catch it and humans decomposing in barrels of their own fluid are two very different games. Yeah, and also pretty litterative. Pretty different games. I can only imagine pretty different. I did different games.

So I can only imagine what the cat literally is doing back then. In terms of how different these are, it's like one is a baseball game, and the other is like an underground dog fighting ring. Like that's how different those games are. Yeah. Cat shit, human decom. Yeah. But did he not know about like limestone?

Yeah, I don't, I think he was just, he didn't think anybody was gonna look. Kitty litter. It wasn't working. That's some dumb shit. To try to, I'm assuming he was trying to absorb up most of the fluid. That was probably a lot of what he's thinking. Yeah, but that's dumb.

I don't think he was too worried with the smell, I guess, but. So the doctor that did these autopsies of these barrels was Dr. Thomas W. Young. He was the chief medical examiner for Kansas City. Get it. And he did barrel number one, which contained a woman with dark brown hair, yellow bed sheets, brown sheets, earmuffs, and she was fully clothed. She was dressed in what it was described in the book as, quote, stir up pants, a tweed jacket, pantyhose, underwear, a blouse with a multi-colored scarf, and gloves that covered her hands. The woman had one really like ornate earring, I guess, and a fancy watch that was stopped

at the time, 122. Oh, that's interesting. That's enough. Oh, that's enough. Same with the other woman, there was a severe blow to the left side of her head that they figured was a hammer blow blow also one to her forehead. She didn't have any defensive injuries and dental records showed this body was Beverly Bonner.

Oh, Beverly. Barrel number two. Woman with long dark hair, fully clothed. She was dressed in a t-shirt that said California a state of mind. Jeans, socks, and white shoes. She had upper dentures that had cracked in half. She had been hit so hard. There were blows and fractures to her head and face. There was one in her head that was the sinus of an orange. The doctor said there were wounds that were definitely caused

by a hammer, and she had one large defensive wound, which was a broken arm. Oh gosh, so she thought. had one large defensive wound which was a broken arm. Oh gosh, so she fought. And I'm guessing you might be able to tell who this probably was judging by how hard she fought against him. So what we found out was that was Sheila Faith, the mother of Debbie Faith. So I'm assuming she was fighting for her daughter. Absolutely. And barrel number three was a female with her head down, long brown hair, younger than the

others. She was fully clothed wearing green pants and a green sweater. She had one sock on. The body had a generative condition and misshapen bones in her pelvis. No defensive wounds, but several severe hammer blows to the head. Dental records showed that this was Debbie Faith. Hammer blows. I so think wow Yeah, it's like really horrific to think about After these were found his bond was raised 5 million, which was the highest in Johnson County history

They soon found out that surviving former lovers of his were had been given and worn Isabella's clothing and jewelry in particular. That's so fucked. The ones that were around were some of them were walking around in her black velvet dress that you wore all the time. And had no idea. And then they were so dark. Barbara and some of the others had her art that he had written his own name on it and said that he had painted it. I hope that was given back to her family at some point. I hope so. Because that's, woo. So they were able to figure out that he likely murdered

Lisa Stasi and that baby given to her brother was actually Tiffany. So now they're starting to go, okay, Lisa Stasi's murdered. That's for sure. Tiffany is that baby. Because all of a sudden they're connecting these dots. They found documents and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like he gave his, wait a second.

Like everybody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. So they informed his brother Donald's and his wife. His brother, I mean, his brother and sister-in-law were literally like, shook the core. I mean stunned. At the time they found out Heather was 15 years old. Heather Tiffany. Sure. And they kept Tiffany as her middle name. Like I'm not just calling her that. And what they had to say when they found out was Don said quote, we too have been betrayed.

We have and will continue to cooperate with the authorities investigating the allegations surrounding John Robinson. We love our daughter very much. Since her adoption, which was never kept from her, we have always assumed that as she became an adult, she would be curious about her birth family. Because we were unaware whom her birth family was, it was our intention to assist her in any way possible in her efforts in identifying and locating them.

Wow. The circumstances surrounding the investigation of John Robinson are as distressing to our immediate family as they are to the other families victimized. Our daughter is aware of the investigation and we are doing our best to help her through this difficult time.

You can't imagine. To not only know that you're adopted and like, you're gonna have to search for your mom because nobody knows who she is, but then to find out that she was murdered by your uncle who kidnapped you and gave you to your adopted parents. How do you ever reckon she knew Uncle John?

Right, exactly. Like now she was like, she murdered her mother. There's a photo of the day that they came to get Heather. Yeah, I saw that. And she's sitting on John Robinson's lap. He's wearing a yellow sweater and his smile in a hat. And he looks like a happy proud grandpa.

I'm definitely killed. And he has a jost murdered her mother. That's faked. What? So his other family members, like his wife, were adamant that this was bullshit and he was innocent. No, the bodies were found in your home. Yeah, fuck off.

Because here's the thing. It's like, that's what killed, they found fucking bodies in barrels on your property and all the victims have their shit strewn everywhere in your properties. Like you don't think your husband has anything to do with that? Like are you kidding me? No, listen, I can't imagine. The T.K.'s family was completely in the dark of what happened, similar to this if that is the truth. They, like his daughter Carrie and his wife,

they had no fucking clue. All they knew was that Dennis Raider was a good dad and a decent husband, I don't know, like he was fine. Yeah. They didn't have a lot of bad things to say. He's a good guy, I don't know what to tell you. No, they knew that they were going, they were gonna have to go through their own

fucking grieving process. Cause they, I mean, Carrie, she wrote a book about it. Like she's, she's, like amazing. Like it's crazy. It's like she wrote a whole thing saying like should they had to go through their own grieving process of losing your father? And they thought they knew.

And like the person they had grown up with and your husband. Of course you do. Losing your father and your husband thought they knew. And like the person they had grown up with and spent their whole lives with. Right. And now they're having to deal with the fact that he's this monster. Right. And imagine being like, no, he didn't do it. But you can't sit there and say that this is bullshit. You can't do it.

So disrespectful to the family. You can't do it. There's other victims' families. There's co-be-there's survivors that know what he's done. So what their- what their whole statement was was, we as a family have followed the events of the last week in horror and dismay along with each of you. As each day has passed, the surreal events have built into a narrative that is almost beyond comprehension.

While we do not discount the information that has and continues to come to light, we do not know the person whom we have read and heard about on TV. John Robinson is a loving and caring husband and father. We wait with each of you for the cloud of allegations and in New Endo to clear revealing at last the facts. So wait, which one was the cloud of in you endo? Was it the bodies rotting in barrels on your property? Was that the... Was that the confusing part for you? Are we gonna find out something different about that?

Here's the thing. I can understand his children not wanting to grasp the idea. Of course. Of that their father is this. Children I can understand, even though they're grown adults at this point, their dad is your dad. I can understand that it's like gonna be a minute

for you to grasp this. Absolutely. your dad is your dad right? I can understand that it's like gonna be a minute for you to grasp this. The spouse you gotta just, you gotta let go man. You gotta let it go, you gotta understand. Like you gotta, just when bodies and barrels are found on your property, it's time to let go with some of the, great, I cannot hide it there.

Listen, I get like there must have been like an insane amount of denial going on. Absolutely, that's like a stage of grief I an insane amount of denial going on. Absolutely. That's like a stage of grief, I think. But, you don't come out and make a statement. That's disrespectful to the family. You want to come out and say to the family. What you should have said is like, where as horrified as you are, we're so sorry.

We're sorry to the victims and their families. We give them their thoughts the end. You don't have to add your own little like honestly. Or honestly to seeing that this is bullshit. You don't even have to make a statement. You don't have to say your own little like honestly. I'm seeing that this is bullshit. You don't even have to say anything. No one is better. It'd be better. Right. Because honestly, it's the truth. Families of these monsters are victims in their own right. Absolutely. And it's like everyone we feel for you. Like I feel for I can't imagine. No. So it's like no one expects you to have to come out and

say something like I don't at least I don't expect you to like So it's like, no one expects you to have to come out and say something like, I don't at least, I don't expect you to like, grief, grief. And if you need to do that silently or whatever you need to do, but she stuck with them for a long time. That's so fun. Robinson was being charged with the murder of Lisa Stasi Isabella Luica and Suzette Trouten and Kansas and the murders of Sheila Faith, Debbie Faith,

and Beverly Bonner and Missouri, and the murders of Sheila Faith, Debbie Faith, and Beverly Bonner and Missouri, 56 counts of fraud and forgery. They didn't find Lisa Stasi and they didn't find Catherine Clampett. That's so sad. But they were going to charge him with the murder of Lisa Stasi based on, I think, Tiffany, Heather Tiffany helped that out a lot. What about polygod-free? Polygod-free.

They didn't have any evidence. That's so sad. So they couldn't charge him with it, but she's listed. Of course. It's very clear what happened there. So February 2001, his preliminary hearings began. And Lisa Stassi's sister-in-law took the stand. And when asked to point to the man who picked them up

from her home, and that snowstorm that night, she pointed right at John Robinson and said, he looks older, but he still looks evil, which is like, I love it. And he does. So finally, after hundreds of motions filed by the defense, and I mean hundreds, literally hundreds, they kept doing it, to throw out virtually all evidence, including the bodies found on the farm. How do you throw that out? They tried to throw that out by saying that a police officer while doing surveillance ahead

of before this had walked on the property and taken pictures. And so that violated his constitutional right to search and seizure, even though they didn't take anything. And that discounts the fact that So now that that's on the property, we need to get rid of all of that Yeah, let's just and the judge was literally like no fuck right off and they were like that officer didn't do anything wrong They took pictures. They didn't take anything And it's a big public like big farm with no no dressing passing signs on it. So

But yeah, finally June 13th, 2002. So, he was, his preliminary hearing started in February 2001. Oh, yeah. June, 2013, 2002. John Robinson was charged with five counts of first degree murder for the body's founding Kansas and Missouri. The death penalty was being brought to the table for it in both states. Nancy took the stand and defended him, saying he only carried on affairs during the day and was home at night. And they called him in the media the eight to five serial killer, which I'm like, that's not cute. And she said he was always a great father and husband, which I believe. Sure. If you tell me that, I believe that. But stop saying you didn't murder people that he clearly murdered. And she said she didn't understand all of this.

She didn't understand who this person was. She loved him and always would. And here's the thing, again, I feel for you. I feel for you. I can't fucking imagine. No, of course not. Which I feel like she's, I think it's just very much in denial.

Well, and I feel like that's sad. Of course it is. She's that much in denial. You know what I mean? This is just a terrible situation. They found and I feel like that's sad. That's very sad. She's that much in denial. You know what I mean? This is just a terrible situation. Imagine if they found like five fucking bodies in your backyard and you were just like, that's what I'm saying.

Oh, okay, John's murderer. I wouldn't be able to just grasp that right away and be like, well, fuck it. I don't think you ever grasp that. And that's the thing. That's why it's like, we get it, man. But just don't defend it. You don't have to come out and defend him.

Like, we get it. We get it, absolutely. We get it, forever, I would be as well. But it's totally fine just don't defend him. You don't have to come out and defend him. Like, be in denial. Absolutely. Be in denial. Forever, I would be as well. But don't. It's totally fine. But don't defend him. Don't defend him.

Just don't. And you know, like all his kids said he was wonderful. He was loving. He was a great grandfather. I mean, I'm glad that he was a good dad to his kids. Well, in the defense said that all his kids turned out very well adjusted. They were absolutely raised well. They said they didn't, and his kids came out later and said they genuinely didn't know the man that they were reading about in the papers.

Yeah, of course. They were like, we literally didn't know what this was. That's good. You don't want to know that, right? And then I'm like, but man, I feel for you guys. Yeah, that's, you feel, I feel, in the biggest way. That is fucked. like really fucked. So then they played the tape in court of the horrifically violent sexual encounter with Susette, the 39 minute tape.

39 minute tape. I don't know how jurors get true thought. I could never. While this was happening, he leaned over in his seat to get a better look at it and was smiling through it. It was very happy that they were showing this. And when the 39-minute long tape ended, suddenly on the film, the movie Willy Wonka started playing because he had filmed that over his kid's tape, his grandkids tape of Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory.

That's not even real. No, that's real. And they were saying like John Douglas said in the book how, how perfect that was to show the jurors. As a person, is this violent, horrific, abusive sexual encounter with this like helpless woman who they found dead in a barrel on his property and then immediately after Willie Wonka plays and shows like, oh, that's his other side. That's the loving grandfather who watches silly tapes with his kids. Yeah, I don't have words and imagine being the jurid just being like, oh, like that just

I got it. I got it. I got watch the whole thing again. I got it girl. Not that I ever wanted to again. Yeah. So Paul Morrison, the DA, his closing arguments were pretty great. But I'm just going to tell you part of it. He kept using the word sinister for him, which is a great word for him. And he said sinister. And then he said in that he's J.R. J. Osborne or others, always lowering vulnerable people,

sinister, in that we've got rotting bodies in the barrels, sinister, and that he took a baby from her mother, and sinister in that Sheila and Debbie Faith in her wheelchair were murdered and put into barrels. You wondered, did Debbie watch her mother get murdered? Right, that's the first thought I had. The defense team used a thorough quote, the massive men, the massive men.

The massive men lead lives of quiet desperation. And that was to try to like humanize him. What? But then Paul Morrison got the final word and he responded to that saying, those lofty words don't have much to do with extramarital affairs, BDSM, torture and death, do they? No, thorough, like literally just robed over

in his grave eight times. And he also said, the misery this defendant has inflicted all those years is beyond human comprehension. This is your opportunity to hold the defendant accountable for his actions. And then I guess he literally turned to walk away and then he turned back to the, this is the jury and said, I hope you do.

And then walked away, which I was like, I love it. Like, like, I love it. Like, I love a theatrical like, oh yeah, yeah, you should do the fucking right. Because it's like fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah, you do. Yeah. Well, on Tuesday, October 29th, after deliberating for 11 hours, they found him guilty of all charges. Good. He was unanimous and he was unanimously sentenced to death in Kansas. By Robinson could become the first convict executed by lethal injection in the state of Kansas.

Yeah, go ahead. In Missouri, additional charges were put on his sentence because more cases were coming in that were similar. And so they were kind of bringing them forth to see if those were part of him as well. He is currently on death row in Kansas. He is 76 years old. He is serving his time at El Dorado Correctional Facility, which is a maximum security prison in Butler County, Kansas. It was not until 2005 that Nancy finally filed for divorce. They had been married 41 years, she put down incompatibility and irreconcilable

differences. I can't say that's her. It's hard to say. That's the reason. Irreconcilable differences. Irreconcilable differences. Irreconcilable differences. There you go. Which I would say so. I would say so, Mama. So in 2006, Lisa Stassi's daughter Heather Heather Tiffany filed a civil suit against Truman

medical center in Kansas City in the social worker that get that referred them. Sure. And said that because he just called and said he was looking for fucking and he was saying like unwed mothers of white babies. That's how he was explaining it to me. Well, he's right because he only wanted white women. Yeah. Which is, like, that should have tipped you off. He didn't want to help black women. Right.

Like, that should tip you off that this is not a good guy. Not a good guy. So she did do that. They did reach a settlement in 2007. And she split it with some of Lisa Stasi's family members. I love that. That's amazing. And then today, I read a heavy article that Heather is married.

She has sons herself. Good. And she has a podcast and an organization called the Lisa Stasi Effect. Hell yeah. And it's supposed to help uncover the truth about her mother. She also has a YouTube channel for that podcast. Amazing.

And let me tell you, my new fucking goal is to find out what the fuck happened to Lisa Stasi. Well, because I want to know where she is. He won't say anything. He will not say, he'll never admit it. And she just wants to bury her mother. Yeah, obviously. And I guess there's a headstone in Alabama, I believe it is,

that they erected in Lisa Stassi's honor to just be immemorial to her. She also said that her adoptive parents, Dawn and his wife, drove her to that several times throughout their life. That's what always does. And she said everything she wants is just to have her mother buried. Yeah, she just wants to be able to see her.

And fuck, I want to help her mother buried. Yeah, like she just wants to be able to see her. And fuck, I want to help her too, but like I want to help her figure this out. Where would he have buried her? I don't know. That's the thing. Does he have like places that I mean, they would be in his property, but they drained it and they didn't find any.

She must be in Kansas or Missouri, you would think. You would think, but now I'm like, what the? She's so strange because he obviously didn't do that with any of the other victims who are knowledge. Who are knowledge. Well you did because Catherine Clampet we haven't found. And God for you actually. And God for you actually.

And yet it was like he did that in the beginning and then he kind of left. So where are those three? Right. I need to know where they are. I just hate how many unidentified. I just want to help Heather. Yeah, I do. Heather, I want to help you.

Seriously. I'll do whatever I can to help you. But man, this case, so that's where we are now. He's just sitting there. We still have unanswered things, but damn. He's wild. Fuck him dude. He's wild, wild, wild, son of a bitch.

That is, that's one of the gnarliest ones we've ever done. It truly was. That's crazy. And just the fact that he was living like it's always wild to me when they love a double life like that. That's the thing. Like fucking quadruple life if you look at him. A full ass like million life. Like I'm so crazy.

Million life. I just I cannot handle him. So that is the story of John Edward Robinson and his reign of fucking terror on his Aryan Kansas especially. Day, yum. Day, yum is right. And definitely, I mean, go check out the Lisa Stasi effect.

Yeah, I wanna listen to that now. I wanna, I'm gonna start checking this out and I gotta, I wanna help out there, man. Mm-hmm. Anything, and if you know anything, you know, let her know. Tell us. So yeah, thanks for listening. And we hope you keep it weird.

I don't even have the energy because my brain is still just circling. None of this. Bye. Don't keep it at all this weird. I feel like it all goes without Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.

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