Morbid - Episode 284: Dorothea Puente Part 2

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

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You've crossed over, and that is not okay. Yeah, but you know what, here we are. It's at night again. It's morbid at night. You're not gonna get this, but it reminds me of SpongeBob. I've sent this before when it's like, at night. There you go. At night.

She's doing finger guns at me. You would like the episode? it's like a horror episode of SpongeBob. A horror episode. At night. It's a little horror in it. It's about the hashling and slasher. Well, there you go.

Then something I gotta catch up on. Uh, definitely on my list. Like the sarcasm. Bringing in the air. Dripping. No, I still the air. I'm dripping. No, I still have to catch up on succession. I'll talk to you. Me too, because I want to watch the finale with you.

I do too, and I want to be live. Like, I want to be with you all and pointing at you in the microphone right now. I want to be with everybody who's watching it currently right now. I want to be on your level. My problem is, is that I'm on season one episode where I'm fucking, what's his name? Greg.

Don't spoil her. It's not a spoiler. Okay. Greg is just saying. Is his name Greg? Yeah, cousin Greg. I haven't watched it a while. The best.

Greg is picking up his grandpa. Oh, okay. I'm on your last episode. She's real far behind. I'm very far behind. We're almost done with season two, so John and I are pretty close to getting to the present day here. But I keep going on Twitter and I see people because apparently I have a lot of friends who watch Succession. And I keep seeing almost spoilt and I'm like, I know. I start yelling and just have to throw my phone and walk away.

Well, and like other podcasts that I listen to, so I'm just gonna talk about the latest episode of Succession in the beginning. And I'm like, don't do that to me. Don't do it. Don't do it. So for anybody who's like on our level, let's all do this together. We're gonna make it. And if you're not watching Succession,

you should. It's a great show. Guys, it is so fucking good. It is, as Jon said, it is corporate game of thrones and he's one hundred percent correct. The best way to describe it. But we're not here to talk about Succession. We're not succession sisters. That's not what 100% correct. The best way to describe it. But we're not here to talk about succession. We're not succession sisters.

That's not what this podcast is, although, maybe we will be, because that's a great podcast I do. I thought you were saying maybe we'll be fighting over. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, maybe we would make a podcast called succession sisters, and we just recap succession. TM. TM.

We should fucking do that. We should, all right. We'll talk about that. Get rid of that. Take this out of the episode. TM, TM, TM. We'll, you know, we'll get back to that. But I wanted to remind everybody about that missing child

case that I talked about in part one of Dorothy Apponte. It's Michael Vaughan, and he is missing from Fruitland, Idaho. He's five years old. We posted on our social media. I'll post again though because there needs to be more. We got to keep posting about him. It's given certain cases like Daniel, it's like Gabby Petito. It's like these cases just like I just like to be like. They took a piece of your heart, I feel like.

And it's like, in this one gives me summer wells vibes, but like I'm like, in the same sense that like, it's like two little baby five-year-olds, and that's been way too long since they've been missing and that there's not enough coverage of it. No, it's just, so. And especially Michael, like, people need to push this out because it's not getting.

He doesn't, you know, he doesn't have an amber alert. There's no amber alert for him. Why? No idea. And that's what his family is like struggling to do because something like, they're saying he doesn't meet the Idaho amber alert guidelines. And I'm like, he's been missing since July.

Dear Idaho, he's a missing five year old that they believe was abducted. What else do you need for an amber alert? That's the thing though, it's like when we were talking about Noah and Amber Claire. Yeah, it gets way too big. And like Amber didn't meet the criteria. It's like, you shouldn't have to meet criteria

when you're fucking missing. When you're in a family. And a baby. And you're five. Like a child? He's a five year old. Yeah. Come on guys. And it's like,

we made the amber alert. And Amber alerts work later too. So. Come on, guys. And it's like, it's why we made the ember alert. And ember alerts work later too. So like, there's no harm in doing it. I just really, like, let's, I want to like push on them to do an ember alert. Me too. And I'll retweet. I've seen a couple of people have tweeted

like the information you can, you can like email, call certain places where, you know, police departments and all that where you can try to push them to do an Ember Alert for Michael. So we're gonna we'll try that. I'll put it out. We'll try to put it on the show notes so everybody can see the information right there. Yes. Again, I've said this before, but just in case you didn't catch it the other times. Show notes are the description of this episode wherever you are listening to it. You might have to hit show more and it'll show you the whole description, all our sources, our sponsors, all that fun stuff, but any information we say will be in the show notes, that's where it will be. Show notes. Show notes. And this has been show notes. Show notes. But yeah, so let's hope, you know, bring Michael home. I want him to be home with his family too I do too. But, um, yeah. So I just wanted to touch on that really quick.

But we are officially in part two of Dorothea Puente. Is this, this is only gonna be two parts? This is only gonna be two parts. This is only gonna be two parts. Yeah, it's only gonna be two parts. I just meant like this has been a horrific dream. Yeah. And I can't hear more about elder abuse

past this point. No, and I didn't really want to like dive too much further in elder abuse, so I'm glad that this is where it's ending. Me as well. And you might have noticed too, initially in the, in part one, I said the medication that she had stolen and tried to poison her elderly patient with. I believe it was Esther Busby that you tried to poison her with.

I pronounced it de-goxin. Yeah. That's not how you say it. It's de-goxin, it is. And I'd put a little edit in the episode so that we don't get 100 things a day. That's like, hey, that's not how you spell it. But people were really nice and were like, hey, by the way, that's not how you say it. So I appreciate it. Medicine names are so hard to were like, hey, by the way, that's not how you say it. So I appreciate it.

Madison names are so hard to say. And I honestly had never heard of that one. So neither have I. So thank you for letting me know. And usually I look those things up, but for some reason I was like real calm. I just went in with blind confidence on that one. It was like, de-gox it.

I know what you're saying. It was so hard, man. And I was wrong. So I just wanted to say thanks for letting me know. And I edited it. So. Thanks, a million. I love you. It's fixid. And I was wrong. So I just wanted to say thanks for letting me know and I edited it. So thanks a million. I love ya. It's fix it.

And here we are in part two. So when we left you in part one with Dorothea. Oh man. Don't leave me anywhere with Dorothea. Honestly, no one should be left with Dorothea. And as we're going to see, people are left with Dorothea and it goes bad. So when we last left you, she was with an 82 year old woman named Irene Gregory. She had met this woman and said her name was Betty Peterson.

It wasn't. She had given her water pills to basically like mess up her system. She also gave her other pills that were like, you know, sedation pills that were putting her under. It's so crazy to me that she, I mean, obviously like, you can look these things up, but like she did had no medical background and she knows how to poison people.

Yeah, it's because she did a ton. She used to read about it all the time. She was very interested in it and she was looking for ways to steal. Yeah. So she really went for it. She did. Now, when poor Irene Gregory was unconscious,

she was robbing her blind. She was stealing diamond rings from her, medications from her. She stole a ton of sedatives and sleeping pills from her. And she kept doing it to other women, out bunch of elderly women. She did a two-clair maleville and loretta Chalmers. Those were two other victims who I said this at the end of the first episode. They were too sick and elderly to testify in person against her. That's so sad.

So that's who she was going after. People who couldn't even come to court to testify against her. She's a horrible human being. Yeah, she's like, she's a horrible dare I say human being. Yeah, she's a monster, like a true monster. And we're going to see that right now. So in 1982, she began working at a bar and she was working as a cook because she was also a good cook. Like her husband said that everybody who knew her said that she

was a good cook. I would not want to eat Dorothy as food. Well and unfortunately she used that whole like I'm a good cook thing to poison people too. Of course, you know, like Esther Busby, she once she was in a nursing home she brought her food because she got her food and she poisoned her again. So but she did get a she got a job cooking food at a bar and it was basically just to kind of like keep the heat off for a while. It was like she was definitely getting weird people were suspicious. She's think this you know after the whole hospital debacle after all her patients are suddenly getting sick or reporting that they're missing things and they're having these periods of blackouts

and unconsciousness, she's gotta kind of take a dominance. I just picture her like skipping to the bar, like don't be as I was, don't be as I was, I think that's literally what she was doing. I think you're right. While she worked there, she worked with a guy named Harold Monroe, and he was diagnosed recently with terminal cancer. Oh, man. He was married to a woman named Ruth and he introduced Ruth and Dorothea because he was like, oh, I think they would get along.

Oh, God. Now Ruth was a grandmother. She was a hard worker. She was close to her friends and her kids and her grandkids. She was like a sweet lady. They liked each other, Ruthos and Dorothy have it like right away. They got along. And eventually they got along so well that they decided to open up a catering business to get it. Wow. Because apparently Roos had worked in restaurants a bit. She knew the business end of it and then Dorothy, I was like, I can do the cooking and I've also worked in restaurants. So I think this will work. This would be great because you could stop terrorizing the lives of others and actually just feed people and make money off of it.

Exactly. Just use your skills, man. It's like, this is what kills me. I'm like, you think you only have skills in like being a monster. But you have, you can cook good. You can just do that and don't hurt anyone. Just make people have to. That kind of shows like that she just,

she liked it. Of course. Now, again, this business included opening up a joint bank account together. No, and you can see where this is going. Oh, joint bank accounts, stress me out. Mm. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times

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for a very long stay. Now, Ruth was like devastated. It's not going well, like that you know, and they're having problems too because it's like a lot of stress on their marriage. And Dorothea had 61-year-old Ruth come live with her in her apartment in April of 1982. Again, no. And almost immediately Ruth, something about Ruth changed. Yeah, she got... She was suddenly sick all the time. She lost weight and she was drinking cream, or I can't say this word, but cream demands.

There we go, I said it. Cream demands, which is an alcohol. It's like a minty alcohol. And it's like a... It's all... Yeah, like cream demands. And it's like a minty alcohol. And it's like a, well, like, it's all, yeah, like cream, cream, dements, and it's like a mint, yeah, yeah, anything. But she was not a big drinker,

and she started, and all of a sudden, every time her kids would come visit her, she was drinking cream, dements. And they were, and she would just be like, oh, Dorothy made it for me to like, calm my anxiety. Oh, huh. And they were like, huh. So like, stop drinking that shit.

Yeah, and Dorothy is gonna kill you. And they said every time they saw her, she looked awful. Like, they were like, she's getting worse and worse. She doesn't look like her. What is going on? She was healthy. Fucked up individual to do this to this woman whose husband is also dying at the same time.

And then her kids are coming to visit her at your apartment. Watching you slowly kill her. And you know that their father is also dying. Like, what the fuck is wrong with her? Oh, yes, she doesn't give a shit. Now her children in particular were confused why she suddenly needed round the clock care by Dorothea when she was totally fine.

She was about to just open up a business. Yeah. And now she needs like actual nursing care. They tried to help, but she kept saying no Dorothy, it will take care of me. Totally brainwashed into thinking that Dorothy would. I think that you just met. Yeah.

Her friends saw her at a hair salon at one point when she was able to actually go to the hair salon. And they all said like, holy shit. Like they were like, you don't even look like you. What the fuck is going on? Oh, that's so sad. Yeah, like her friends were horrified. They were like, what happened?

Like, you were fine a couple of weeks ago. Right. And she finally told one of her close friends. She said, quote, I can't talk to you. I think I'm going to die. And then she said she couldn't remember long periods of time and was blacking out. And she couldn't understand why.

And so did she go to the doctor at all? No, because Dorothy was a nurse. Remember? And she's taking care of her. Yeah. And she was blacking out. She was losing periods of time. Because Dorothy was dozing her with those crem-creme-demand drinks and was slowly poisoning her. Do you know what with? Well, we'll get to it, but she was using a lot of things. So April 28th, two of her children, Rosie and Bill, they visited her separately that day. She was basically unconscious, they both said.

But Dorothy assured them that she had gone to the hospital and that the doctors had given her some kind of shot to calm her down, a tranquilizer of some sort. Okay. And Bill, her son, said he went upstairs to see Ruth and her eyes were wide open, but she seemed paralyzed. And I'm unable to move.

Oh, strange. Does that make you think of anyone? Yes. In part one. It does. Malcolm. Yes. Malcolm McKenzie had the same exact thing happen to him

where he was paralyzed, eyes wide open, and had to watch what she was doing in his apartment. That's so scary. Yes. I wonder if in that moment, Ruth was like, oh, what's happening here? Because like in her kids later, we're like, I know she was just watching me and they said she looked upset, like her face looked upset. Like, I think it was Bill who said like, he remember seeing like tears in her eyes. Oh my God. Yeah, and he was like, and she couldn't say anything to me. She was unable to move anything. And he just kept, he was like, I believed Dorothea. So I just kept telling her, Dorothea's gonna take care of you.

Don't worry, mom. Oh, cool. And she's sitting there like tears in her eyes because she's like, she's not taking care of me. Like, she's real I tell you. She's getting worse and worse. Yes. So Dorothea called her kids later that night and told them

something is going wrong. And this was in the middle of the night. And they said, your mom is not doing well. And I just called 911. When they arrived, she said, your mother is dead. Oh, my stomach just dropped even though I knew that was going to happen. Dorothy has said it was her heart.

Again, Ruth was 61 years old. She was young to happen. Dorothy has said it was her heart. Again, Ruth was 61 years old. She was young. 61. And Ruth died from an overdose of codine and alcohol, and a tranquilizer that was prescribed to her. But the codine and Tylenol were not prescribed to her. Uh-huh. And they were not in the room with her.

Uh-huh. She was bedridden when this occurred and could not have gotten them herself and there was massive amounts in her system. Like, coating? Mm-hmm. That alone was a fuck up person up. Now, her autopsy showed there was a little damage to her liver, but it was damage that could have been done because of chemical toxicity. So they looked further into it. And when they opened up her stomach, it only had that minty liquid in it. She hadn't eaten for days.

And there was only those cream-demand drinks in her stomach. For days, this sick woman had only been force-fed, minty alcoholic drinks with drugs in them. What the fuck, dude? Like, she couldn't even, I mean, she's poisoning her. So what, I can't even. Yeah. Her medical record showed she had a physical at the end of March.

This was in April, by the way, less than a month prior and she was completely healthy. Wow. So less than a month prior, completely healthy. And then... And then... And then... And less than a month later, being healthy. 100% checks out. Poisoned. Less than a month later, being with Dorothy, she is dead.

So what's the reaction here? So now Dorothy had told the police, because as soon as this was all happening, she's like, I just want you to know that she's very depressed because her husband is terminally ill. But the overdose was so significant that it didn't make sense. Right. Like, the Tylenol encoding would have probably killed her alone in their amounts.

Yeah. There were so much in her system. Right. Because that would have made it almost impossible for her to control her breathing. So the tranquilizer's addition showed that there was definitely something else going on. She didn't play. She didn't play. She didn't play. And again, knowing that those two things, the Tylenon coding weren't even in the room where

she could have gotten to them, someone else gave them to her. Yeah. Exactly. Like that doesn't make sense, but no one's thinking that way. They listed her death as undetermined. Wow. Which at least they didn't say natural. Yes. Because, you know, suicide.

Because that's what she was trying to push. Georgi was trying to say, she died by suicide. What a fucking monster. Yeah, to then go that far and be like, well, she was really depressed. Yeah. And apparently horrible. Well, and apparently, Rousse was like very religious

and very like that would have been something she wouldn't have wanted said about her because she didn't do it. Of course. Like that would have been something she wouldn't have wanted said about her because she didn't do it. Of course. Like that would have been like, which is really sad. Right. You know, like it's like, it's just really frustrating. Now immediately she did it again to a former patient quote unquote of hers.

Oh yeah. Wow. Oh yeah. And this woman's name was Dorothy Osborne. She asked if she could come over to Dorothy Osborne's home because she said I was I'm so upset a woman died in my home. Meaning Ruth. So she brought over alcohol and she dosed Dorothy's drink at her own home. Duh-uh. Dorothy remembers, luckily Dorothy lived through this, but she tried to kill her. Dorothy remembers feeling hazy and then passing out. When she woke up, she was missing checks, money, and credit cards.

Wow. But Dorothy also found that remnants of the drinks that Dorothy had made, that night that this happened, was still like, I think they were like blended drinks, so they were in like a food processor. Yeah. She took samples of it in an empty pill bottle. Bad bitch vibes. And Dorothy brought it to the police and Dorothea was finally caught again because of this.

Okay, so it all kind of fucking ended again. Exactly. They arrested her right before she jumped on a plane to Mexico. May 19th. Whoa. This time she was fucked. And she had made the mistake of telling Dorothy, and this shows you that she planned to kill her. She told Dorothy she was going to Mexico.

So Dorothy told the police, by the way, you should probably go catch her. She's on her fucking way to Mexico. So fucking movie. Isn't this wild? And the fact that she was just gonna leave that woman for dead. Yeah, she was just gonna leave her for dead. She's getting crazy.

Oh, she's getting balls. Yeah, I mean, she's got some balls. She is reckless. Yeah. Now, she was convicted of three charges of theft on August 18th, 1982. And she sent, she was sentenced to serve five years in jail for this. Because again, she's not a ten-digit murder by guys

Now California institution for women in the city of Chino is where she was sent and before her sentencing She actually wrote a letter to the judge trying to get a lesser sentence trying to woo him because she said She was 13 when she was first married off and her husband died shortly after. And she's just, she's had such a sad life since then and blah blah blah. So I decided she didn't get married at 13. She didn't, her husband didn't die. Like none of this is true. So off she goes to jail.

I just love that she thought she was going to be like, you know what? I had a sad life. So my bad that I tried to kill someone, she thought, my bad judge, she thought she was gonna be like, you know what? I had a sad life. So my bad that I tried to kill someone. She thought my bad judge, she thought, she thought wrong. Because the judge was like, don't call. No. So while she's in jail, she was beaten almost to death

and then placed in protective solitary. Whoa. So she didn't start out great. She started to correspond with someone in jail Because she's there five years. So you gotta do something I guess she starts corresponding with a 77 year old retire to retiree and widower Living in Oregon. How does she dress at Oregon? They're gonna help me Oregon Oregon Oregon Oregon I said it right. Sorry. Oregon. I corrected it. I have like PTSD in my head. I said, oh, I'm so sorry. Um, I just lost my completely true.

You're like, organ, organ, sorry. I have, oh no, it's like you're falling. It's like a trigger, like, no literally. I just love that she's like literally in jail, like victim searching. That's the thing. It's like, you're in the blood. You're in the blood. Stop Dorothy, yeah.

Like, she, she's still going. Mama, you're in the slammer. If she the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet.

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You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. You're in the closet. It's like in sales they say like ABC always be closing that's Dorothea. It is always closing. She's always working She's always she's always being ABK. She's always killing. Yeah, she's always ABBE Always be being evil. That's what she's doing always be being evil. She is now this man's name was ever sin Gilmuth and they called him Gil

Don't yeah, don't do that. He was said to be a very good man a real gentleman. His name is Gil So obviously yeah, I'm Gil yeah anybody watch Gilmore girls. I Don't I do but I don't remember that Gil is like the smash-tombok. I don't remember that Lane's band Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys got itbock. I don't remember that. Lane's banned. Oh! Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you guys got it. Sorry.

I have like no memory. Like, what? Wonder what? But yeah, I guess it didn't belong there, but it was. I still don't know what Gill from. It did. I just love Gill from Gill working with it. My mind was like, what?

Memory, no. It's a nighttime recording, and there's also, so our neighbor is cutting down trees, so there's like a lot of chainsaw happening, and I think it's distracting us both. there's also, so our neighbor is cutting down trees, so there's like a lot of chainsaw happening and I think it's distracting us both. There's a lot of chainsaw happening. There's a lot of Texas chainsaw happening. He's a poor Gil is just lonely. Yeah.

And he said to everyone he knew, he's like, I just, what? He's 77. And he's like, I just want to get married again. Oh, does he know life? That she's in prison? Oh yeah, he was writing two women in prison because he was like, I just want to get married again. Like, I don't want to live. That she's in prison? Oh, yeah, he was writing two women in prison because he was like so lonely. Oh, sweetie. No, he was also known for being like a really impressive

and intricate woodworker. Like that's cool. And he was also had like insane leatherworking skills. So he was like a very skilled man. Yeah. So this penpal relationship, like got a little spicy and it became a romantic kind of relationship. I'd be rooting for that if it was anybody else. I know. But Puente was actually released in 1985. Of course. After only serving three years of that five-year sentence.

Of course. Yeah. It was because she had good behavior, apparently. Yeah. Guess what, guys. That's a lot. Not always an indicator. That's just called self-control. Especially in Dorothy's case. Now, when she was released, a psychologist for the State Department of Corrections actually evaluated her. Yeah.

And this kind of tells you everything you need to know about who Dorothy is. Okay. So, I found this in the bone garden by William P. Wood. And I linked it in the first half of this, but I'll link it again. It says, now, she was going by the last name Montalvo right now, because that was her latest ex-husband and she kept that name.

OK. So it says Montalvo appears to disassociate herself from any of the crimes for which she has been arrested and received time. She tends to minimize the importance of what she did or her responsibility for any of them. It appears at this time that although Montalvo does not evidence any symptoms of psychosis that is hearing voices or having delusions of grandeur, that she is in fact schizophrenic. So we have a second one. hearing voices or having delusions of grandeur that she is in fact schizophrenic.

So we have a second one. This woman is a disturbed woman who does not appear to have remorse or regret for what she has done and who at least on two occasions has been involved with administering drugs and or poison to unwitting victims. She is to be considered dangerous and her living environment and or employment should be closely monitored. So this guy was like right on the, like hit the nail on the head,

doing toink, doing toink, but whatever. So she leaves and she is not closely monitored. I wonder too, and I'm sure, like I'm not sure if you have it, but I wonder if Ruth's kids found out that she went to prison and then we're like, hey, wait a second. Oh, yeah, they did. Oh, okay.

Don't worry, because this entire time at first, Ruth's kids were like, yeah, I guess like it was an accident or, you know, meaning like Ruth accidentally overdosed or they were like, maybe she did, like, you know, like, she was going on. Like, you're gonna, what are you gonna think, you know? The first she was going along. A lot of people were going on, like, you're going to, what are you going to think, you know? The first thing you're going to think is not that the person who was taking care of her murdered her. Like, that's not what you want to believe. I mean, that's the first thing that I'm going to think.

But you don't want to believe that about your mother, your mother, especially, you don't want to think somebody would do that. And of course not. So I think you try to make like whatever you can in your head. No, yeah, I just like, because I sit in this couch week to make that like 100% I would, but because I sit in this couch week to make that sound like. Oh, I'm 100% I would, but I wouldn't want to.

No, I would probably try to come up with other things I could have happened just to clear my own brain. We'd be sleuth and girl. Right, but don't fuck with that. So they at first were like, you know what, this is what happened, but slowly they all were talking. Put in the pieces together. I don't know.

And then like Rosie came, it was like, I didn't trust Orthia and all of a sudden they were all like, I don't know, like this is weird. And I don't think I trusted her. And is she really a nurse? And they started all coming to the conclusion, which... That's so scary to have that discussion with your brothers and sisters. It must be powerful.

Is she even a nurse? Yes. Oh yeah. So now she's talking to Gil. And she had told him that she loved children. She loved taking care of people, but you know, no. No, she didn't. Like that's not true.

And she also told this psychologist that did this evaluation on her. She told him the same thing. She said, I love children. I love taking care of people. And this guy was like, no, she doesn't. Like he was like, no, that is a lie. When she's a liar. And he specifically said in one of the evaluations,

she should be kept away from children, the elderly, and anyone vulnerable. She was a danger to all of them. So why not leave her in prison, my dude? Exit, he recommended it. He's like, no, I know this guy can't do it. But I'm like, prison, my dude? Exactly. He recommended it. He's like, oh, no, I know this guy did it. But I'm like, yeah, my other dude, all those dudes, what the hell is going on?

What the hell is going on? So unfortunately, she was released after three years with that good behavior, despite that evaluation. I genuinely cannot. And Gil was outside the gates waiting for her in a red 1980s Ford pickup. Stop it. Yeah. Their relationship developed very quickly. waiting for her in a red 1980s Ford pickup. Stop it. Yep.

Their relationship developed very quickly. Yeah. Soon, he was writing his sister, her name is Reba Nicklaus, and he was writing her and saying, we are going to get married if everything goes well. Oh. He loves loves. Yeah, he really does. He does.

She was suspicious right away though. Reba, his sister. Good. And he suspicious right away though, Riba, his sister. That good. And he started pulling away from her because of it, like, because he was in love. And he thought that she was just being a stick in the mud, just a web blanket. But really, she was like, never pull away from her sister.

She always knows. She always knows. And unfortunately, Dorothea and Gil opened up a joint bank account together. No, no, I told you I didn't like this. Yeah, and yeah, it's no good. And they lived in the upstairs apartment at 1426 F Street in Sacramento. They lived there together.

Is that? Yeah. Okay. So that's the one that we were talking about earlier. Probably in part one, actually. For some reason they're running together in my head. Always F Street. So, you know, he starts pulling away from his sister,

the letters are getting a little more like, no, I don't really want it, like, I don't want to hear it. And then she just stops hearing from them all together. Uh-huh. Then she receives this weird letter. And it says it's from her brother, but it clearly is not from her brother. And it says the wedding was off and he was leaving.

Okay. And she's like, what? She's like, that's sudden leaving. Okay. And she's like, what? She's like, that's sudden. Yeah, like she's like, okay. And then Dorothea told Ricardo her landlord, the one who owns that house that she's renting the upstairs apartment in. She says, you know what, Gil just left me. And that's it.

Like she had no explanation. He just left and Ricardo was like, what? Like, I thought you guys were getting married. Like, what? Yeah, like he was like, really? And he was just gone up with you. And he was like, what, like I thought you guys were getting married. Like what? Yeah, like he was like, and he was just gone. And he was just in love with you. And he was like, I didn't even see him move out.

Like what happened? And you live above me. Yeah, like I'm very confused. Then Reba gets another letter. And it says it's from a woman named Irene. Huh, who Gil is now in love with and is engaged to. And Irene says, we're in love, we're engaged. A high future sister in law.

I just want to let you know he's okay. He had a stroke recently, but like we took care of him. It's okay. And like see you later, goodbye. What? Now, if you remember, one of Dorothy is recent victims name is Irene Gregory. She's fucked.

Yeah, exactly. So this was fake, obviously. She apparently now Dorothy apparently tried to hire an inmate that she was in the prison with. This inmates boyfriend to help her dispose of something at this point. Uh-huh. Now when he came, he was like, oh, like, show me what you need me. Because she didn't say it was a human being. Of course not. She just said, I have some stuff I need you to get rid of.

Can you help me? Yeah, he was like sure. He was like, oh, she didn't have time to call one and he drew junk like I've got rid of this for that. So he shows up and he said, I saw something clearly wrapped in plastic on the floor. And it looked like a human being wrapped in plastic. And he said, nope. And clearly wrapped in plastic on the floor, and it looked like a human being wrapped in plastic.

And he said, nope. And he turned around and walked away. Like nope. Imagine I was scary. That would be to say like nope and walk out too. I would think that I was next. I would be running. Running and then I would skip town.

I could never run again. Now in November 1985, she hired someone else to do it. A guy named Ismail Flores. And she asked him, instead of saying, can you get rid of this thing for me, she said, can you build me a wooden box, six feet by three feet? It's six feet by three feet by two feet.

That's what she said. Okay. And she's, and he was like, sure, like, what do you need this for? And she was like, oh, I need to store like a bunch of books and other items in it. It will be like a good little like chess. He's like get a bookshelf lady. Yeah like obviously and he did. He was like all right like she must be moving and maybe that's what she's putting them in. So in for payment because this was gonna be like a nice box. Yeah like

that's a big box. She was like you know what? Do you want this 1980s red Ford pickup truck? Because it belonged to my boyfriend, but he's in Los Angeles now and he doesn't want it and he said I could do whatever I want with it. Oh my god. And he was like, um, okay. So then she says that's when you say no, man, no,, I know. I do not want that car. Well, and he said that he, she then asked him to transport this box that he has just made. No. To the storage place with her. No. Get that fuck out of my face, ladies.

He's like, okay, and he's like, do you need, like I guess we'll use the pickup truck, I suppose. So he helps her bring, and he said, is so heavy. And he was like, what is in this thing? And she's like, I told you, it has like a ton of books. And so I'm going to sleep books are very heavy. Yeah.

So she was like, I told you that's like a very heavy thing. And he was like, I don't know, that's heavy. So sure. So she went with him. And he was like, tell me where the storage place is. So they're on the way to this storage unit. And she's like, you know what, you can pull over right here. And it was like a little ways down, like, you know,

pretty far away. And he was like, OK, why? And she was like, you know, we can just like throw it in the over right here. And it was like a little ways down, like, you know, pretty far away. And he was like, okay, why? And she was like, you know, we can just like throw it in the river over here. And he was like, you, but I thought it had like all stuff you want. And she was like, no, it's kind of junk. And I want to give it a bit.

Sir, you're going to accessory. And he was like, to a disposal of the body. I don't know if that's for real. So this was in November, sir. And January 1st, New Year's Day, 1986, a fisherman spotted that box. He said it was on the river bank, and he said it was partially open, and he could see inside that there was clearly something like decomposing inside. So he called the police.

They found a very decomposed and unidentifiable body of an elderly man inside. Oh, that's so horrible. Now, there were layers and layers of black garbage bags wrapped around him. There were also mothballs and deodorant stuffed in there around him to stop the smell. Like what is first of all, you're disgusting. In second of all, what a stupid way to do that. Yeah. Like, you really think mothballs and deodorant is what a stupid way to do that. Yeah. Like, you really think boss balls and deodorant

is gonna stop decompe, you idiot. Yeah. And it's like, what? What? That shows too, like, the level of her, like, thought process throughout this is like, she's adding like, things to stop the smell. Right.

Really planning this. Yeah. This is not like, crimes of Yes. This is not like crimes of passion. This is not crimes of... What, I mean, she's killing them slowly. Like, she's poisoning them. Of course, it's not a crime of passion. Now, we obviously find out that this later, we find out it's the body of Everson Gilmuth, Gil.

But it took a long time to identify him because she made sure to dump him in a place where he was not known. So it was just an unidentifiable, badly decomposed body which I'm sure she waited until it would be unidentifiable. And it seems like his family, obviously, he really only had a sister and then she got that weird letter so she doesn't even know where he is. Exactly.

She thinks he's somewhere with Irene and I think he said like we're in the south now. So she's thinking like he's nowhere near there It's not him that poor sister. Well, she continued Dorothea to collect his pension checks and even called and demanded They continue to send them when they got lost in the system when he moved she moved addresses because when he moved From where he was living into Dorothea's home. I guess the system got confused and was like messing up where they were sending the checks. So she called after she had killed him to be like, you're not sending my checks.

Wow. And have them redone. Like you haven't done a thing in your life other than scam, murder, and destroy. And you think that you're owed money. Oh yeah. I'm so key. Art of Chokey.

Oh, okey-to key. Artichoke. Oh, okey-tokey, artichoke. Sure. She is an artichoke because I hate artichoke. Right. There you go. I don't like, I don't have a lot of strong feelings about artichoke.

Like I like them like spinach and artichoke tips. I like that. There you go. Well, you have a strong feeling. So, you know, I don't like spinach and artichoke tips. It is kind of gross when you think about it but I still like it. It's heinous. But you know what is really gross Dorothea. She is also and her soul. Her soul is trash. Her soul is an artichoke. Yeah, it's a it's a moldy artichoke.

Now it wasn't until about 1988 really so a few years later that suspicions actually caught up with her for all of this Wow and in that stance what time span she did a lot of course she did now it began when a man who was 52 years old named Elvaro Montoya went missing now he was known as Bert that's how people called him he had struggled with mental health issues. He had been homeless for a number of years. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia at a young age. So he had trouble like staying at these shelters and people like

just didn't know how to take care of him. Like he had it rough. Like he was so bad. And he was known by friends as kind, honest, and always trying to help. But he was just struggling. Yeah. He was not an angry person, not somebody who lost his temper a lot. He had been, and he had actually been referred into Dorothea's like new house that she was running for people. And it was by this woman named Judy Moise. So this was an outreach counselor

with volunteers of America. Oh man. Yes. Now he ended up becoming so close to her that he would refer to Dorothy as Mama. And she obviously kills him. Yeah. And she took, like, and apparently,

she would get all his Social security benefits for the month, which was like $600 a month for his social security benefits. You take that in order to take care of him, question mark. But suddenly, and this was after Dorothy had started to open her own new shelter. Because this is her third one, I think. Yeah, it is. And suddenly Bert tells a worker at another Shelter he suddenly is like, you know what Dorothea like force feeds me medication

Get out of that and weirdly I always feel tired like I'm always tired and she's force feeding me this medication But she says she's taking care of me now this worker at this other shelter calls Dorothea and like flips. And Dorothea is pissed when she hears this. So the worker sent him home back to Dorothea and said, Why would you do that? And took Dorothea's word when she said he's lying and that's like really offensive to say.

And this worker told Bert you need to go apologize to her. Dude, what the fuck? And that was the last time anyone saw him like, of course it was, because that person failed at their job. Like what the fuck? Like you don't look more at it. You call the lady directly.

Like what thought process happened there, man? Now of course social workers are wondering where Bert is because they're not hearing from him. And she tells them she wants to bring Burt to Mexico with her to see her family there. As we know she does not have family in Mexico. And he'll leave there. He never came back, obviously, from this vacation.

And she claimed that he was gonna be back soon, but her family just loved him so much. They wanted to hang out with him more. Guys, that doesn't make any sense. And they were like, ah, that's weird, but okay. No. Then a man dissolved the social workers and told them he was Bert's brother-in-law

and he said, Bert is moving to Ohio to stay with me and his sister. No, guys. Yeah. He didn't have a brother-in-law. No, because you can't just call and say, I'm Bert's brother-in-law. Like, I'm gonna need you to come down

and show some kind of way that you actually are related to him, thank you, some fucking voice on the phone. Well, and also, what's even better is he said, they said, what's your name? And he said, Donald Anthony. And that was a man who had worked for Dorothya. And he had been told to use a fake name, but he forgot.

Unreal. But it didn't matter because nobody checked into that, huh? Well, immediately the police were alerted after this. Oh, because they were like, oh, wait a second. We're already wicked, we are wicked suspicious of this whole, he's in Mexico and your family just wants to hang out with him more. But there was nothing they could do at that point because he's an adult and they have nothing to say it. Once they had this fake thing

where this man who works for Dorothy, outed himself and said he was Bert's brother-in-law and he was now living with him, clearly trying to cover it up. That's when the police were like, shit's going down. Yeah. So the police go to the boarding house. Yeah. So the police go to the boarding house.

Yeah. They were met. For the 400 good. Exactly. Exactly. Now they were met by Dorothy Appente. Sure they were. And she said,

Bert is just on vacation in Mexico. Like, I don't understand what your problem is. And another tenant who was there, a guy named John Sharp, was like, yep, he's in Mexico. Like, I know that too. So the police are like, okay, we can't do anything. Like, what am I supposed to do? So they go to leave and John Sharp quickly slips them a piece of paper as they're leaving.

So sharp. They open it up and it says, she's making me lie for her. My stomach just got all tingling. Is it like nervous? She was making me lie for her. And he later went to the police later that day and told them all of his suspicions, what was going on. I conned like John Sharp,

John Sharp, FTW. So November 11th, 1988, the police. How are we still checking along here? I know, we're checking along. They come to the house and they begin to search because not like we're searching. It's the police. So they find nothing of real note in the house.

So they're like, we would like to look in the yard. Yeah. And they were like, we'd also like to dig in your yard. And Puente says, absolutely, and hands with them a shovel. Unreal. Go ahead. They start digging and three holes in. They found a human leg.

Now initially the detectives thought it was a gnarled tree root, it wasn't. They brought her in for questioning and she said, wait, there's someone buried in my backyard. Oh my God. Excuse me, Crossed it. You got to give it up. And she was like, I know nothing about that. I handed you a shovel to dig in there. Why would I do that? If I knew that I buried someone in my backyard, what are you talking about? dig in there. Why would I do that? If I knew that I buried someone in my backyard, what are you talking about?

Birds in Mexico, you guys are crazy. Wow. You know that's what you, like she thought that she was gonna outsmart them by being like, I gave you a shovel. Like I gave you a fucking shovel. They're like, yeah, why would you? I gave you a spade.

A spade is a spade. Spade is a spade. And I gave it to you, okay? Unreal. So they actually had nothing to actually physically tie her to it. They couldn't prove that she had buried someone in that backyard because that wasn't her house forever. Who knows how long that person had been there. We're gonna look into that, guys. So they had to let her go home.

Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Now the next day, November 12th, they come back, obviously, they start digging again because they're like, now we have to dig up the whole yard. And apparently she was just pissed, she was talking to tenants inside being like, I hope they don't like fuck up the gardens that we just planted. Oh man. And they're like, they probably will. They probably will. And it was terrible terrible. You're a monster. And it was a packed audience of people watching this happening. Like onlookers, they gathered on the street to watch because everybody's like, I knew that woman was strange something's weird and now they're digging up her backyard I knew that former rocket was weird. Yeah, it was it all got strange. Yeah, and that all started now right before they start digging She says

Excuse me Would it be okay if I ran out real quick to get a cup of coffee with my nephew, Ricardo, at a nearby hotel? No. And the police said, yes, ma'am. In fact, there's a pretty little picture of a police officer escorting her out into her waiting car. Go ahead, Dorothy Appuente.

Bye. She's wearing like a red dress. She's got a little umbrella. And we are. And we are. Digging up your backyard where we found human remains yesterday. This is an active crime scene.

But bye, bye God. Go have that cup of Joe. Get a doughnut ball. You're there. Go get a coffee, you're fine. I'm leaving. Yeah. You're fine. No, excuse me, I'm not leaving. Dorothy, no, she's leaving. Get a donut coffee or there. Go get a coffee, you're fine. I'm leaving. Yeah, you're fine. No, excuse me, I'm not leaving.

I'm not leaving. Dorothy, no, she's leaving. Excuse me, I'm leaving. If she's leaving, I'm staying. I'm staying, I am, I am put to right here. Wherever she goes, I will not follow. I'm gonna stay here. Where she leads.

I won't follow anywhere. Anywhere that she tells me to. No, where. Done. And I said it in part one, I was like, we were like, what's with the police? What is going on? I was like, oh, part two is really going to take you into all way.

Yeah, I remember this part. Here it is. So as soon as she left, they're by Dorthia. Enjoy your cup of Joe. Enjoy your, you know, French vanilla latte. Bold brew. You're bold, beer.

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You're bold brew. You're bold brew., oh shit, cause that's another body. That's now we got into number two. They run to the hotel that she said she was gonna be at to get her. And they thought she was gonna be there. That's my favorite part of the entire story. Is that they were like, let's go to that hotel where she said she's gonna go

because as we're digging up her body, her frickin' bodies in the back, she's definitely going to where she said she's gonna go because as we're digging up her body, her frickin' bodies in the back, she's definitely going to where she said she was going. They were like, oh, she left nuts. It's just Mr. Nuts. That murderous woman lied to us. Yeah, like weird. I literally wrote it.

It's duh in big letters. Like of course she's not gonna be there. She escaped to Los Angeles immediately. And luckily, and with right, the police department was shamed for allowing her to leave and allowing her to escape. I mean, they were demolished. What happened?

Like, I mean, the entire community was on them that tons of newspapers were all over them. The goods was like, how the fuck do you let? A clear, like what we think is probably a female serial killer go out for coffee while you're digging up her backyard, you idiot. That just goes to show how she could literally charm anybody, that anybody. She tried the pants off of it.

Because again, when you look at the picture of them escorting her out, she looks like an adorable little grandma. I know. You don't worry about it. Don't trust, don't trust anyone. Now, they, and this is nuts, they then undug. They then undug.

I meant unearthed. I just made ash choke on water. Like, just, I had, you know, when you started to laugh, and you had a sip of water, and you're laughing, I'm like, I'm gonna spit this across the whole room. I meant to say undug, dug up and unearthed, and then they just, I'm like, I'm gonna spit this across the whole room. I meant to say, Doug, Doug up and unearthed, and then they just, they just collided into a crazy non-word. Grul, grul.

That's literally what that was. So they unearthed six more bodies in her backyard. All had been wrapped in plastic, like tons of plastic, and bed sheets, and they were all sprinkled with lime. One was missing the head, and another was believed, or at least one, possibly two or more, had been buried alive. What? I didn't remember that.

And one of the people who had been buried alive, Bert Montoya. No. No. Yeah. Now she was mad. She was mad. So the bodies were Leona Carpenter, who was 78 years old. They believe she was the first to die in the third boarding house.

She had been discharged from the hospital straight into her care. Because again, she was pretending to be a nurse is eight at this point, too. And this was in February of 1987. So this is in between the time when she was released from prison for the whole Dorothy Osborne kind of situation and between now and then is when I said like she was real busy. So this was what was happening in the interim. Now, and then is when I said like she was real busy. So this was what was happening in the interim. Now, she was discharged straight into Plente's care.

In February 1987, she had had cancerous tumors on her brain. Wow. And she was recovering from that. And at 78 years old, she was like getting better. Good for her. She was a widow, and Dorothea said that basically she thought she wasn't going to be missed. Wow.

It was our he's a shit lady. Yep. She was buried near the back fence and her leg bone was the one that the detective, detective Cabrera, I believe his name was, thought was a gnarled root and like grabbed it and he was like, oh, that's not a root. Dorothea had used her checks to order herself clothing and shoes after she was killed. She's a great A-asshole.

Great A. The next one was 62-year-old James Gallup. So young. He survived a heart attack and brain tumor surgery. Stop. But he died in that boarding house. He was independent and strong, but he had been like really ill. He refused to let Dorothy take all financial control of his life. So she poisoned his food.

Of course she did. The next one was 64-year-old Vera Fe Martin. She was a mother. She was poisoned with a drug drink the day she moved into the boarding house. She was in that house for one day. Wow. When her body was found, her mouth was wide open and it looked like she had tried to kick herself free from her plastic binding. Oh God. Her wristwatch was still ticking. Why? And they said she was the one of the ones they clearly believed was buried alive. That is so haunting. The next one was Dorothy Miller.

She was 64 years old and she was a Native American Army veteran. She had moved in October 1987. She was struggling with alcoholism because aside from dealing with PTSD from her time in the service, she also had a really traumatic childhood. She also suffered from night terrors because of this stuff and had medication to allow her to like sleep peacefully. She liked to recite poems, like that was something everybody knew about her, and she really liked Dorothea and had tried to like befriend her and Dorothea was annoyed by her.

And she said that her night terrors annoyed her, the way she would talk annoyed her. Girl, you don't have the right to be annoyed by anything. Like Dorothya, you're the most annoying. You're annoying. You're really annoying. You're inducing to society. What she did was ground up Dorothy's sleeping pills and put them in her drink.

Wow. And that's how she killed her. And she had taped, like duct taped her arms to her chest. That's how she was found. Wow. Now Benjamin Fink was the next one. He was 55 years old. He was struggling with alcoholism when he moved

into the house. Because again, that was like what she was kind of banking on was people who were struggling with addictions and illnesses So they were like really down on their line trying to get better trying to get better from a lot of different things Right He also had severe lung illnesses that he was dealing with and I guess right before he disappeared It was in April 1988 another tenant said she watched as he as like she basically brought Ben upstairs and she turned and said, I'm going to take Ben upstairs and make him feel better.

And he'd know I never saw him again. Wow. And he was found only in striped box or shorts. The next one was Bert Montoya, who was 51 years old. He was found under a brand new apricot tree that had been planted right on top of him. Wow. The next one was Betty Palmer. She was 78 years old. She had moved into the boarding house because she basically had a ton of medical bills and couldn't afford them. Oh. Yeah, and she was very good, very responsible woman. She was just having trouble affording her own

medical bills and needed a little help. Medical bills will like destroy woman. She was just having trouble affording her own medical bills and needed a little help. Medical bills will like destroy you. She was another one who refused to let Dorothy I have control of her finances. She had a ton of friends and family. And Dorothy was actually really scared when she killed her because she was like, I knew she would be missed because people loved her.

Yeah. Which like, what a piece of shit you are. Seriously, you're just taking away everybody's friend and loved one. So she said she had somebody, one of her handymen, because she called these men that would like work for her handymen, cut off her head legs and hands, so that they couldn't identify her.

Wow. And when she was found, she was wearing a sleeveless white night gown. And above her, Dorothy had put a statue of the patron saint of missing things. And it was right next to the sidewalk. St. Anthony. And if you don't think that that was on purpose,

the patron saint of missing things. Of course it was. And she is not only missing herself, but she is missing her head and her limbs. That's fucked. Yeah. Is that seen, Anthony? Yeah, I believe so.

Yeah. Yeah. Dorothy had cashed her checks, and she seen Anthony? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Dorothy accashed her checks and she did it by using because again, Betty didn't want her having any control of her finances. Right. And she did the thing where she wrote on all her things check ID when you had to like trash her check or anything. So what she did was she stole her ID after she killed her and then put her picture on top of hers and just used it to cash all her checks. How is this old lady so conniving and evil? Yeah, and what's even sadder is they never found Betty's head or her limbs.

Dude, fuck this lady. I'm like pissed. Now all seven of these people had in their systems Benzodiazepines, sorry, I just started on that, benzo diazapines, and mainly what they all had in their system was florezipan. And this happened to be one of the drugs stolen from Irene Gregory. Wow. And they found empty capsules of it in Dorothy's drawer. So the capsules where she would open them

and put the powder in the drinks, they were all, what, first of all, what? You just put them in your drawer after you did that? Like the evidence of you poisoning people, you just kept in your drawer. She probably liked to like open it up and look at how many people I poisoned. Like probably.

Probably. Now she was on the run for five days in Los Angeles. What's so confusing to me is how did nobody see her digging in that backyard? I know. But I think she had like handymen do it. Yeah. And like act like they were like doing gardens. Exactly. And then she would say like, what? I just planted this. So I don't remember. And I'm sure you'll get to it.

But do they find any of those handymen? You know what? I could not find a ton about the handymen. I don't know if they like, she was just saying that or if she named any of them or if they were ever able to find them. Wow. I know some of them were, you know, victims themselves that I think are missing now.

So I think like, she might have offed most of them. Wow. Or had other ones off the ones before. I think she had a whole operation going on. Wow. She's so scary. She's one of the most terrifying people we've covered. She's so calculated and so cunning and so heartless in the package of like a grandma

And when and you when you see her outside packaging it is so much scarier It is she's like you said she looks like a sweet old grandma literally looks like a really scary. It's terrifying Yeah, I don't trust anybody and like I'm afraid of grandma now. And she went on the run in Los Angeles for five days. And while she was out there, Everson's body, Gilles' body, was identified while she was out there. And it was identified because now they saw all those bodies in her backyard wrapped in sheets

and plastic wrap. And they were like, wait a second. She has a connection to this guy. And we just found this and we just found this We just found this unidentified body here in the same manner. Let's do this They immediately tied it to done Dorothy. Wow also Ruthman rose kids right finally were able to get a case open against Dorothy up for their mother's death Good is it for everything else they knew it they knew what was going on

But they didn't have anything that they could use to prove it But that was the problem but with this they were like boom boom boom open up the case now so Dorothy had been holding up in a motel in Los Angeles But every night she would still go out to bars and Los Angeles trying to get old men. Wow. Yeah So she can't stop won't stop she can't stop won't stop. She can't stop won't stop. Like never, never. You can't stop. No, she, she would have gone on forever. Oh, she would have gone on forever. I mean, there would be no, she would have had to die first before she stopped. She really would have. No, she met a man named Charles out at a bar and she introduced herself as Donna Johansson. Oh, my

question. And she, he said immediately he got like a weird feeling about her. Yeah, he's like, this point she's like, really like, yeah, she's gone through it at this point. So he was like, I don't know, but like sure, like she's fine, like she's nice, whatever. But he was like, I just had this like weird feeling, like a gut trust you're gut. And he was like, yeah, I don't want to go out after this, but like, you know, maybe we can make plans to go out, like, you know, the next day or something like that. So they did, they made plans to go out after this, but like, you know, maybe we can make plans to go out, like, you know, the next day or something like that.

So they did, they made plans to go out. Later that night, he turned on the news. And he was with his friend, I guess, and they turned it on and they see Donnie Johansson on there. But her name is Dorothy Appente. Can you imagine? And they were like, what the fuck? He was like, good thing I didn't go out with that.

Yeah, he was like, and his friend was like, you would have been dead. Like she would have paralyzed you and stolen all your shit. 100%. Like holy shit. 100%. So many immediately calls the police. And what's funny is he called to the motel.

She said he she was at first and was like, hey, are you like there? Are you like, are you staying in for the night? Icon. She was like, yeah, totally. And he was like, cool, all right, bye, bye, Donna. See you later, Marlowe. She'll handsome, see ya.

Sweet dreams, bebe. 9-1-1, hey, here she is. She's at the hotel right now. She's not leaving. Go get her. Love it. Literally was like Charles for the fucking year. Charles. And she was arrested in that motel room with no incident.

And she was charged with nine murders. Wow. Even though she probably did about six million. Definitely did more. Now there's pictures of her on this like tiny plane where they had to bring her back to Sacramento. And she's in this like little lady outfit with like shackles around her arms.

And she's like drinking this little black cup of coffee. Like it's just, it's so weird. I really got that cup of coffee. We got a poster because it's just a wild picture. But on the way there like in the plane ride, she said to detectives at one point, I used to be a very good person at one time. When?

And I'm like, when? Can you point to that for me? Like when you were a child probably, which is really sad. Like I still feel very bad for a child's story. For a child's story. But it's like damn, but you could have turned it around For child story. But it's like damn. But you could have turned it around

because people do. And it's like, honey, you are not a good person. No. Now throughout the trial, they definitely pushed that sweet grandma angle. Like her defense. They were definitely pushed. She's in her sweet little grandma dresses.

Yeah, and of course the prosecution is pushing that she's this manipulative criminal mastermind and all this. And did you look at her and you're like, what? Well, and that's it's like, okay, so is she this sweet grandma who's been through it and is just like, you know, caught up in trouble? Or is she this master manipulator that just prays on like the most vulnerable people? It's not the cute grandma, but like see, I guess the trial was like wild

because there was like both sides. I can imagine, because imagine being on that jury as well, like because the defense was saying she's a sweet grandma and they were like, yeah, but look at all these things she did. And they're like, oh no, we're not saying she's not a thief. Like she's a thief, a liar. But she's also a sweet grandma. And they're all like, she's not a murderer.

And they're like, cool. She did blame the bodies of her yard, though. So in 1993, it took several days of deliberations. And at one point, there was a deadlocked jury. I bet. And they said most of that was probably due to the fact that she was this adorable old grandma. And they were pushing that so hard. They definitely got to some of the jury, uh, jury members. I'm sure. But she was convicted of three murders. Wow, only three. Yeah.

That's the only one they could really tie her to. First degree murder for Dorothy Miller in Benjamin Fink's, oh, excuse me, it was first degree murder for murder for Dorothy. Benjamin Fink, she got second degree murder and second degree murder for Leonic Harpender. Do you know why second degree? I'm not really sure. I guess they just, those things are always weird. They are.

Especially when they're like, older because you're like, why though? Yeah, exactly. But there must have been some reason for it. She was sentenced to two life sentences at the Central California Women's Facility in Chao Chila. Is it Chao Chila or Chao Chia?

I have absolutely no idea. I don't know. Ready in Chao Chila. In Chao Chia. Is it Chao Chilla or Chao Chilla? I have absolutely no idea. I don't know. Ready in Chao Chilla. In Chao Chilla. One of those works. So Puente continued to say she was completely innocent and she just, how did they end up in my backyard? I don't know.

Lier. Do you know everything that's in your backyard? Yes. That's what she was saying. That makes me nervous. Like I know that I don't have, well, fairly certain. I don't have's in your backyard? I don't. That's what she was saying. That makes me nervous. Like, I know that I don't have, well, fairly certain. I don't have bodies in my backyard. I mean, but then you're like, if they're like,

I didn't fall in there. That's exactly what she was trying to do. She fucking argument is Dorothea. But you know what, they were like, but Dorothea, Dorothea, my girl, we have the time, like time of deaths of these people, and you were living in that house when they died and they lived in the house with you.

Right. So nobody's sneaking into your backyard in the middle of the night and burying bodies in your backyard and then planting apricot trees on them. Like that doesn't happen, girlfriend. So it's like, come on. And she was basically like, I was good to these people. No, you weren't.

You weren't good to anybody. You've never been good to a single fucking person in your life. And she was quoted in prison as saying, the only time those borders were in good health was when they stayed in my home. Lies. I made them change their clothes every day, take a bath every day, and eat three meals a day.

When they came to me, they were so sick, they weren't expected to live. I gave them three meals a day, and I poisoned every single one of them is what Yamenta said. And it's like, you know what? I'm pretty sure they expected to live. I'm pretty sure that was a good expectation that they all had. I don't think any of them expected to be murdered in a boarding house.

No, probably not. I don't think that. Now, in 1998, she began talking with a guy named Shane Bugby. Uh-huh. He did a huge interview with her. He was like a journalist. And this was years of corresponding with her. And she started sending him during the correspondence

these recipes. Because again, she was a good cook. So she'd send him recipes. But I don't want to eat anything she makes. In 2004, a book was released, cooking with a serial killer. No, that's unacceptable. Who the fuck did that?

That's fucked. Who's making Dorothy Appuente's recipes? No, and like, I don't want to find out that I've accidentally made one of those. I don't want to know that this is. Like, what if that's just on Google and it comes up as the first four that they recommend and you look at it and you're just five stars?

And you don't even hit the title, you just hit jump to recipe. Yeah. And I guess there's like 50 recipes in there or some shit. Why would you ever feel the need to cook something that literally may have killed somebody. That may, like things in that cookbook may have been somebody's last meal. That's what I can't stop. That's what you have.

That's fucked. That this isn't even like, you know, some dormant hobby that she had that she's just like, oh, look, I cook now because I'm a grandma. That's what we do. Here's some recipes. That alone would be like, honey, those are Dorothy Appuente's recipes. You don't need that shit from her. We don't need anything from her except for her to shut the fuck up and go away and stop

hurting old people. Right. Stop hurting anybody. But like you said, she was a cook. She cooked a lot and she probably poisoned people with those fucking recipes. What are you gonna do, serve them to your family? Yeah.

And I'm like, kids, it's a Dorothy Appuente special today. Dig in. Like fucked. Yeah, not cool. Like, oh, actually, yeah, no. It's gonna say like pun, not even intended. No, no, no, no. Holy shit. It's like, that's, not cool. Like, oh, actually, yeah, no. This is gonna say like pun not even intended. No, no, no. Holy shit.

It's like that's the thing though. It's so gross. I can't get down with that. And the thing is I feel like they're like, it's again like, oh, like cute little grandma. Like, be me me. Like no. You wouldn't buy Charlie Manson's recipes.

You wouldn't buy Robert Pickton's recipe. Definitely. No, I wouldn't buy Robert Pickton's, I know. But like, you had a restaurant on the fucking grounds. Yeah. No. You just like stuff. If you have thatin, so no. But like, you had a restaurant on the fucking grounds. Yeah. No. You just like, stuff. If you have that book, shred it.

Yeah, don't even throw it away for somebody to find. Shreds shit out of it. Those are just bad vibes and those meals too, I'm sure. Don't need. They're probably real bad vibes. I've in well, like, I'm like, maybe you could like, like, I don't trust her ingredients. No, I don't think that she would have a good flavor profile for anything.

So, I feel like it would be like meant to give me indigestion. I was literally gonna say it would be meant to give you some kind of food poisoning or some kind of like, like the flavor she uses would be meant to interact in a way that would make you feel like shit. That is exactly what I was trying to say. So, trust her ingredients. So just don't do it. Get rid of that. Get rid of it. Get rid of it. Don't do it.

This has been a very, she's horrifying. This has been a very sad episode. I love the elderly. I love everybody. I'm such a fucking empath. You are an empath. I'm like gonna go home and cry. I wanna go watch a hallmark movie

with your mother-in-law at this point in time. Like, see, I'm gonna watch, I need to watch one of those commercials that are on this time of year with like the elderly people and like their neighbors decorate their home for them when they leave alone or something or they leave them a present

and you like cook them like Thanksgiving dinner. The treat them nice. I just need to see people treat and older people nice. I think after this episode, we should all do something nice for an older person in our life. There you go. I think that's great. I think whatever you can do, whatever elderly person,

you know, you fancy. Just do something nice for them. Do something nice for them. Do something nice for them. Yeah. Just say love, yeah. Yeah. Make a meal for them. That's not out of Dorothy's cookbook. You know, do one of those commercial things. Break their leaves. Break a random place on the house.

Oh no, just do something nice. Yeah. Put kindness into the world because it comes back and you know just be be nice. It really does. It's easier, it's nicer and it's more fun to be nice. It is. I enjoy being nice. Let's keep doing it. And you know what's nice if you keep listening. So we hope that you keep listening. And we hope you. Keep it.

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