Morbid - Episode 299: The Horrific Murder of Dorothy Eggers

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

When Arthur Eggers walked into the police station to report his wife Dorothy missing, there were a few things about his story that just didn’t quite add up. He had her height off by about 5 inches and he said he was reporting her missing even though he knew she most likely ran off with a truck driver (!!!!) The police were quite concerned though, because they had an unidentified, HEADLESS body, and now they were thinking it could be Arthur’s wife. This tale will take you on so many different rides, you know what to do. Hold on. To. Your. Butts and potentially your food coloring.  Shout out to Newspapers.com for having old awesome articles! As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Get sixteen free meals, plus three gifts, with code morbid16 at HELLOFRESH.com/morbid16. Scribd: Go to try.scribd.com/MATCP to get your first two months for less than $1. Simplisafe: Head to SIMPLISAFE.com/morbid to claim a free indoor security camera plus 20% off with Interactive Monitoring Modern Fertility: Right now, Modern Fertility is offering our listeners $20 off the test when you go to Modern Fertility.com/MORBID BetterHelp: This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp and Morbid listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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More bad in the mid-mortem. More bad in the mid-mortem. In the mid-mortem. Basically afternoon, though. Well, that's like early afternoon. more well early afternoon. Yeah, sure One hour. It's 1050 really takes a shit because whenever you're listening to this is what time it is, okay? Yeah, okay So that's where we are when I was like a Ramona, okay, okay We have a couple of things we wanted to get you right away

Yes, some stuff is gone down this week and whoa. And actually, these two things are just like a couple of the things that have gone down. We're going to have to space it out. Yeah, I feel like we're just hitting what we can hit right now. But the ones that really stuck out to us this week are, I'm sure a lot of you have heard of this little six-year-olds Paisley Shultis, who had been missing since she was four. She went missing in 2019.

And if she's from right outside of Ithaca, New York. And she was found the other day in the home of her non-custodial parents. Yup. And her grandfather, Kimberly Cooper is the non-custodial mother. Kirk Shelter's Jr. is the non-custodial father. Kirk Shaltis Jr. is the non-custodial father, and Kirk Shaltis Sr. is the grandfather.

Now, investigators had been at this home. That's the scariest thing to me. Oh, it's, this story is like really right out of a horror novel. Yeah, it's like a really nightmare-ish Harry Potter scenario because it involves under a staircase. So obviously, people have been searching for this little girl. She went missing in 2019 at four years old. Her legal guardians have been searching for her for two and a half years. And so they had been at this home several times because

of course these parents lost custody of this child. So of course you're going to go back to this home to make sure. Now investigators had been let in the house. They never got a full search warrant because they just didn't have anything except for like hearsay to really do it. Right. They would let them in the house, but every single time they let them in the house, they wouldn't let them in the basement, which I'm like alarm bells people, but they wouldn't let them in the basement, wouldn't let them do a full search. And they were always, they said very adversarial with them. Like, they were always very like, you're harassing us, like, we don't know where she is, we

haven't seen her since this, which like all lies. Yeah. And every single time that the investigators were in this home looking for her, she was hidden under stairs, like being silent, the basement stairs and they said it was like cold. They said it was wet, cold and filthy. And when you see photos of it, it is filthy and there's disgusting blankets that haven't been washed ever in there. Yeah, it's horrifying.

That a child of four to six years old had been shoved under the stair. They said at times she must have been under there for at least like four hours at a time. I didn't even hear that part. And she's saying silent. Oh, she must have been so scared. Yeah. And the trauma that she's gonna have to work for.

Oh yeah. For the rest of her life probably. Well, and whenever they would go here, at times they were led into the basement, they would only let like so far in and there was like an apartment set up in the basement kind of thing. Oh, okay. And they said there was a room and it was set up for a little girl and on the wall it had the name Paisley and the bed looked like it had been slept in and they'd be like what is this about? Right. Is she here? Where is she? And they would just be like no we set this up in case she comes back. Yeah. And they had to they couldn't do anything further because yeah I mean what are you gonna do? If you have nothing you can't just go barging down doors

as much as I would love for them to have done that. But the, yeah, it's Socrates, police chief Joseph Senegrai, I believe his last name is. Okay. He said, so police had shown up this time. He said, one of the officers saw this staircase that was like outside of the child's room. And he said it was something he just something struck him as weird about that staircase. And he

said then he saw a pair of tiny feet through the staircase. And he said now Senegra said the silence as so they started pulling this thing apart. Yeah because they were like let's go. We have they had a warrant at this time. So they were able to they started pulling this the wood staircase apart. They said as they were pulling the stairs apart, they said this child never made a sound. What? They're ripping apart these staircases and she's staying dead silent inside of it. She's probably been told I can't imagine what she's been told. And Kimberly, the non custodial mother, she was in the staircase with her, and neither one of them made a sound.

And Senegra said, quote, the question that needs to be answered is what she was told by these people that would keep her so still in quiet while the cops are walking up and down the steps while they're taking the steps apart. Yeah. And according to CNN, an article I read about this, the door that led to the staircase was in her room, which was in the basement. And it was in, like, the door in her room opened into a short hallway,

and then led into the secret compartment under the stairs. What the fuck? Yeah. So this was clearly was clearly like man-made. Oh yeah, and they said it looked like that staircase had been built specifically for this. I heard that, yeah. And they said, quote, in our opinion, the Sisynega again, he said, in our opinion, that location was used

probably each and every time that we sent an officer to the residence. That is unreal. Now, Kimberly Cooper, the non-custodial mother, was charged with two misdemeanors, custodial interference in the second degree, and endangering the welfare of a child. She was in jail, like she was still in jail, because she had a prior arrest warrant through family court, so she's killing it. Also, I'm like kidnapping. Where's that?

Yeah, because how did they? We're gonna throw a kidnapping charge in there. How did they get her? I'm not sure. That story has not come out yet. I'm dying to know what happened two years ago. Well, I'm wondering if they had some kind of visitation. That's what I'm wondering. They, yeah, but then it's like kidnapping isn't on the table. If there was a visitation, but wouldn't that still be kidnapping? You're the non-custodial parent. You can't take that kid. I'm trying to think if Noah Clare, if his father was charged with kidnapping or not.

That's the thing. These things are weird and they're hard. And sometimes I think they go with whatever charge is gonna get them to where they wanna end up. Kind of that is very true. So who knows if more charges will be added? Right, I don't know. Because again, we have not heard the story.

I can't find it anywhere. I don't think it's been released yet of what happened to 1 1 1 2 years ago. How she went missing. She was reported missing. Right. That was a thing that happened by her legal guardian. So.

And we don't know why. I don't know if there was a supervised visit. I don't know if there was anything. Or. I don't know if there was anything, or there could have even been unsupervised. You never know. It really depends on why they were taken away in the first place. But I also do we know that at all,

why they were taken away in the first place? No, we don't know anything about that yet. I wonder if that was the thing. And that's the thing that I think everybody is wanting to know. I mean, obviously your child is taken away. That's not a good thing and there's not a great mark on parenting here. But when you look at these, the staircase,

it's a filthy disgusting mess. And if you're willing to shove your four to six-year-old into a staircase for four hours, first of all, that's beyond my comprehension. Second of all, if they were doing this out of some kind of love for her that they just wanted their child back and they wanted to give her a life and one year traumatizing her. And it's illegal.

You can't steal this child back. Do the work to get her back. But also, I would have thought they would made this area where she has to hide a wonderful comfy area. And not a filthy, well-discusting staircase that you're going to hide her in. So none of it, none of the, because I've seen like, you know, like, we don't know, we don't know what happened. It's like, yeah, no, we don't know what happened. Something happened. This is not okay. You don't shove a six year old under a filthy, disgusting, wet staircase for hours at a time.

Like that's, I'm sorry, nothing about that is okay. So I have zero sympathy for these people. And I don't know if we mentioned it, but I saw that she was like, obviously like checked out at the hospital and she was totally fine. Yeah, I was gonna get to that at the end, but she, so Kirk Shultis Jr.

and Kirk Shultis Sr., the non-Castodial father and the grandfather, they were each charged with custodial interference in the first degree, which is a felony, and endangering the welfare of a child, which is misdemeanor. So based on those charges, it seems like they were the ones that it seems like more to do. It seems like that, but again, we got to wait for more to come out. She was, Paisley was brought back to her legal guardian and her sister, who had been searching for her for 2.5 years. Police, like you said, did say she was in good health.

She was happy to be with her legal guardian. She recognized her sister, which was like hurt my heart. They did say, though, the police, she said, she was very nervous, obviously, when police took her from the home, and they recognized and appreciate that she was very nervous, obviously, when police took her from the home and they recognized and appreciate that she was probably taught to fear them in this situation. And who knows what she was told?

She's a six-year-old. And she doesn't know what's going on. No matter what. No matter what. This is what you've known. Even if it's a bad situation, this is all you've known. You're just being taken away. And so they said they were driving to the station

and she saw McDonald's and I guess she saw it and was like, oh, I think I had that before and I haven't had it in a long time. Oh my God. But she was like, I remember McDonald's and like, that was really cool and like, she was basically saying like what's happening. So he said, quote, so the detectives turn the car around

when to the drive through McDonald's, picked her up a happy meal, and brought her back to headquarters, and she was fine after that. I literally, oh my God. I like hearing like good things like that. Like good police work like that. Oh my God, a crime.

That's good police work, right? She's like, I think they're not gonna get a McDonald's. Oh my God. And so they said, obviously it's gonna be a task now to learn what she now to learn, you know, what she lived through there because the conditions were horrid. And she was clearly brainwashed into hiding the way she was. And you don't get a four to six year old to hide in dead silence without terrifying them

into it. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like, I trust me. We have told the girls to be quiet many times, like, for the purpose of, like, going to sleep at night. Yeah. And it's like that. Or even, like, silly things, like,

playing hide and seek with them. Oh, my God. They're in, like, a hide and seek, like, phase. Phase right now, where we have to play hide and seek every single evening in the house. It's so fun. Which is fun. But, like, it's hilarious, because, being John always But it's hilarious, because being John O'Hee's

end up laughing so hard because when they hide, they can't help but laugh. I'm tingling. When you come near them, so you have to pretend to be like, I don't see you. No one's in here. But to get a four to six year old to be, they said, eerie silence.

Well, even when they were pulling apart, you would think she'd like recoil or be like, ugh, like be nervous. Yeah. It makes some kind of noise or cry or like anything. Anything? And they said nothing. Not a word.

She must have been so scared. I mean, I'm so glad she's back with her legal guardians. And I hope that she can get, I mean, hopefully she's six. It's been two and a half years. I hope that she'll be able to, you know, get some help to move forward from this. They have all been ordered to stay away from her,

which I was like, yeah, forever. Like, that should be it. Yeah. You've traumatized this child. No, bye. So they're not even in custody then. Yeah, so they've been ordered to stay away from her. What the, this is a bizarre story.

That's why the more that creeps out about it, and I know like Kimberly Cooper there, her, you know, attorney is like, I think everybody needs some impatient and learn the thing. And I'm like, but what we have learned is that they've shoved her under a disgusting staircase for two years. So, I think I know that is bad. So like I think I, you know, and I'm going to go ahead and judge that. Yeah, that's bad parenting. Me as well.

I'm going to go ahead and say that. Yeah, that's, but it'll be interesting to learn the rest of it. And I'm just glad she was safe and that she was taken out of that environment. And I honestly hope, you know, she can just be happy with her family. I know, and her sister, and I feel for her family because they're going to be worried about this happening again. Oh my God, yeah, and I mean, two years, they must have assumed the worst, you know?

Of course. Like, so your four-year-old is gone for two and a half years? I'm happy that it had... I'm happy that it had an ending where they could be reunited. Yeah, exactly. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill? Or are they made to kill?

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One of the most heart-wrenching episodes I have ever listened to. tragic, like absolutely tragic. She disappeared back in 2009. And there was recently a search for her because they've never found her body and her husband Josh there has like obviously everybody pretty much knows that he did it but with no body we can't we don't know exactly what happened. Yeah, but so there was a search for her the other day and the West Desert out in Utah and the reason that they wanted to check this specific mine was because they've had like some tips about it and the specific area that it's in,

relating back to her disappearance, unlike the days leading up to it, I guess. And the guy who led the team was called Dave Sparks, and he believes based on information that him and his team got, that Susan's husband threw her remains in the mine and then set it on fire. Jesus. And he hired a team to look around this area way back when Susan first went missing and his team investigated this specific mine, an area that they're searching now and back then when they were searching it, it had a wooden structure on top of it. But then they went back a few months later and the

structure was no longer there, but they looked down in the mind, and it had crumbled into the mind. Oh. But it didn't seem like natural. It was very strange. Oh, okay. So, I think that's kind of the reason why there's been so much going back to this specific spot. Yeah.

Because it's just been strange. Yeah. Now, during their most recent search, the team actually found bones and a pair of pants. And Susan's best friend. That's so ominous. And Susan's best friend. So ominous. Crazy. Susan's best friend said that they looked like dress pants.

So, and you know, maybe she was getting ready for work. Maybe she had come home from work. And, well, she was a very like, she was a very like put together. Yes. Woman, like she seemed like she was always like dressed well. Oh yeah. And she always put together. Every picture I see of her, I'm like,

I know she was like so pretty. Yeah, just. So the, yeah, they found bones, they found pants and then they found scraps of other clothing as well. Ooh, so that doesn't matter if you see more clothes down there too. Exactly. Now, the bones were first taken to do

to two different experts by Susan's father Chuck Cox. I don't know if they were brought in person or not, based on the article that I read, one of the experts thought that they were animal bones, but it said based off of information, so I don't know if they saw them in person. And then the second expert disagreed, they didn't think it was animal bones,

they thought they were human bones. So now everything, the bones and the clothing are going to be sent to a forensic lab for testing. Yes. So hopefully I don't really know how long that takes. I have no idea. It really depends, I think. I'm hoping at least in the next couple of weeks, we'll hear some kind of update. I imagine this would be a big priority. It's a big case. Yeah, I would think so. And I know like obviously forensic testing has come so far.

Oh, for sure. But I don't know how long this specific kind of thing takes. Yeah, the caseload and such. But Susan's dad, like, went right out there immediately. Oh. And he said, I'm feeling pretty confident that it's going to be found that this is Susan. It makes much more sense than some of the other leads by location and the items that were found. I just think they found at least a portion of her remains.

Oh my goodness, my. Ugh. So it's like, you hope that they did so that this family can have closure. But then it's like, is that, I know that some form of closure, but I would imagine too that it reopens the wound. Because that's the thing,

like they know at this point, I imagine there's certain cases where you're like, I bet, you know, the family should have like hope here that she's alive somewhere. This wasn't one of those cases that I felt they were probably holding on to the hope that she was alive somewhere because you never would have just abandoned her children. It just wouldn't have happened. No, and then the way that he acted afterwards and then obviously...

And they knew that he... His exit from this world was... Come on. I mean, he killed his children. He's a disgusting piece of shit. No matter Lee, no matter if he was guilty of Susan Powell's disappearance or not, he's a disgusting fucking piece of shit. Yeah, he killed his two little babies brutally. And if you just look into that case, if you go that if you haven't listened to that episode Go back and let's do it. Pretty clear what happened. Very sure. And I think everybody feels feels the same I don't know anybody who's like no

No, no, even in every article. I was reading it's like it's widely reported It's widely speculated that and so this was one of those things where unfortunately I think her loved ones believed that she was no longer with us But it was more of a case of just weary she gave me her let me have her. Like that's the thing that kills me. It's like, you fucking piece of shit. Just tell them where she is. Like that's all they want. Then they have a spot to go visit her, you know? Exactly, because right now it's like,

and you just, as like a loved one of someone or like a parent's thinking of your child, whether they're dead or alive, just out there somewhere. Well, especially, like everybody is so focused on the different deserts around that area. So you're just like, what desert is my child in? What desert is my sister in?

Just in the loneliness I think would be the thing that would be like, they're alone and I can't. And I don't know where they are. I can't go see them. Yeah, so it's like, celebrate their lives. This would be horrific and it's gonna open up a new grieving process I think for them. But I think it's gonna be a grieving process where they are now able to, hopefully, if this is her,

I hope it's her just for that. I do, too. Because I really don't want them to have to keep going through life, not having any idea what happened to her where she is. Their family just seems like a really great family. It really does. Like her dad said, you know, if it's not her, hopefully that it's somebody else, and it brings that family closure. And I was like, just to put yourself in that. Yeah, to be able to be like, you know what? If it's not her, I hope it's my child that they found burned at the bottom of a well,

like a mine, but like, it's not I hope that somebody else can get closure, like to be that big of a person. I hope for them that they are able to get some kind of, some kind of something out of this. Yeah, whatever it is that they are able to get some kind of, some kind of something out of this. Yeah. Whatever it is that they are going to get out of it, I hope it's something that can end positively. Exactly. Because you do.

You need somewhere that you can go and see them, talk to them, leave flowers. You know? Just like, you know. Everybody deserves that. It's just like such a basic thing that everybody deserves, you know, everybody deserves that. It's just like such a basic thing that everybody deserves, you know? And when it's like, like, I've never had somebody die that I couldn't go see them.

Right. Or I couldn't, you know, like, so I can't imagine what that feels like. And I think a lot of us don't imagine what that feels like sometimes with these cases. It's just like, well, you know, like, little, but it's like, no, that is such a different kind of grief, like not even having a place to go to see them,

that I can't fathom it. And then just like we were just saying it, but just to have your mind wander about everywhere they could be. No, I really can't. No one can imagine. So we'll definitely be updating on that, I hope for sure. There's something, you know, some kind of answers soon, but we will see, definitely.

But yeah, those are the two things we just really wanted to touch upon. I'm sure there's like more happening, but those are the ones that just stuck out to us. There is so much happening. So much happening. But, you know, we're only going to hit a couple in the beginning because we got a case to get to. All right, what do we do when today? Crazy pants.

So today we're going to the 1940s. Oh, okay. I feel like I got a, yeah. Yeah, you know. It's pretty bad. Oh, okay. I feel like I got a yeah. Yeah, you know, it's pretty bad. So this doesn't feel very glamorous. This is not an ass at all. No, definitely not an ash 40s case. Okay. This is like a dirty like my 40s case. Dirty Elena case. Dirty Elena. This is a yucky dirty. Dirty. Dirty. Dirty. But dirty Elena. So this took place January 2nd, 1946. This is like, you know, when my dad was coming into the world a few months later. So two people were driving up the

Waterman Canyon in San Bernardino, California in the mountains. Their engine was overheating, because apparently, you know, these are like crazy steep hills and stuff so it was the 1940s cars were not like super psyched climb hills so this this car was like I'm done like you take your car like yeah so excited climb this hill what's fucking go this one was not this was not a happy one so the engine overheated so these two people had to pull over to, you know, just let I have a moment get its life together. And of course, with nothing else to do, because this is the 40s, and they couldn't just, you know, silently look at their phones or send each other TikToks from right next to each other. They just had to wait and they decided to just look out over the, you know, the canyon in front of them, the valley below. It's beautiful. San Bernardino mountains,

you know, and then they found a dead box. valley below. It's beautiful. San Bernardino mountains, you know? And then they found a dead body. Just looking at beautiful stuff. So they're taking this beautiful valley, way to ruin the moment. I do, I mean, they're breathing in that 40s air. Just like, it was probably a lot better to breathe back then. And then they notice something.

And it's not totally in the valley below. It is like something that's kind of wedged into a ledge. It appeared that it was like on its way down to the valley and got stuck in this little ledge. And they're like, what's that? So the squinting? The squinting some more. What is that?

What's going on out there? Oh, it's a woman wrapped in a green and white blanket that was wrapped in rope, and only her legs were sticking out the end. What? So they're like, well, that's odd. I feel like this is not going to be like this fallonkingless entertainer. Yeah, no, this is not one of the, and they were like, you know, like, I feel like that shouldn't be there. No. I haven't looked at a lot of valleys in my life, but I feel like that shouldn't be there. No. That's not something that like naturally occurs in valleys. So they called the sheriff, which are good on them.

Because what else are you gonna do? And he came right out with a handful of other officers, some deputies in the corner, because they were like, yeah, I'm pretty sure this is a dead body. I don't think this is a live person. So they had a ton of trouble getting her out of the canyon because it was super far down where she got wedged in. And they had to use ropes and pulleys to get her out.

Oh, that's awful. Basically equipment that like rock climbers use. Now obviously like I said, this one moves dead. She didn't move when they tried to bring her up and her legs that were sticking out of the blanket looked bruised and battered from the fall. When they untied the blanket, it got somehow worse than it even initially seemed. Okay. Because right now you're like, oh no, a dead body. Well, they were now looking at her nude body and there were vital pieces of it missing. What was missing? She was missing both of her hands and her head.

I knew you might see that. It was a headless, handless, nude body of a woman wrapped in that blanket. Now upon further inspection, it was clear that some kind of saw had been used to crudely saw off her hands and head. The skin and flesh were like tattered and ripped at the cuts. It was brutal. Now the corner went to work immediately, looking for anything at the scene that could help them understand what the fuck happened here. And he found a bullet hole

in the center of her chest and another one under her left arm in her side of her torso. Okay. Later it was determined that these bullets belonged to a 38 caliber revolver. She had a noticeable scar on her left leg and they determined that that might help identify her later because it was a pretty like gnarly scar. They also noted that she had intense bunions all over her feet. Huh. Like enough for them to be like, yeah, you could definitely be identified purely from the intensity of these bunions.

Oh wow. I wonder if she was like a hiker. Well, they said that she, they said she definitely would have had to have medical intervention for those. They were that bad. So they were like, that will help us because there's got to be a doctor that has done some surgical procedures. Now later it was determined that she was likely around 35 to 40 years old. And when her body was measured, the coroner was able to estimate that with a head,

she would be around 5'7 or 5'8." Okay. The bullet in her chest had penetrated her heart and was likely the kill shot. Oh. Now, likely, also they said she was probably, or at least her, not her, but at least her killer, was likely not from that area, because they said, if they were from this area, they would have known that that valley

is like a very heavily trafficked area and it wouldn't be a lot of body. Right. And they were like, yeah, there's just and it's crazy because the police officers were like, there's so many other places to hide a body around here. And if you are from here, you would know of those places because there's everywhere. All right. Now, heavy press coverage was on radio and newspapers. It went out everywhere immediately.

People were dying to see this fucking body. So they would call the police at the San Bernardino Sheriff's office and ask them if they could make an appointment to view the body. No. People were so bold in the 40s. Like, can you imagine ring, ring, ring, hello? I'd like to make an appointment to see the body that you discovered in the in the 40s. Like, can you imagine ring, ring, ring, hello, I'd like to make an appointment to see the body that you discovered

in the canyon the other day. That headless corpse that you guys brought in, can I just like make an appointment? 330 work for you to come look at that. Horrific, they're just making a fucking dentist appointment. Yeah, just wanna go see it. We get Instagram already. In the 40s.

Yeah, come on, get something, get distracted. No, the other police station got, there was, get something, get distracted. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So the man that walked into the Temple City substation, which was the smallest station, and it was under the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, was a guy named Arthur Eggers. Now Arthur was there to report his wife Dorothy Eggers missing. He stated in the report that he believed she may have run off with some other man because

she was having numerous affairs outside of their marriage. And he was still reporting her missing because he hadn't seen or heard from her since December 29th. So only a few days earlier. Okay. It was like three or four days or two. What a good guy, you know? You know, he poured his wife missing even when she's having all these affairs.

He was like, you know what, she probably just ran off with a guy, but like, I'm gonna do the good thing here. He's like, I think it might have been a truck driver. Maybe, uh, funny, you should say that. Stop. Am I really all your moments of society? He is.

I was like, and another one. You really shut the fuck up, Ash. So he all talks like place here. It is, I'm gonna keep going with it. He also listed her height as five foot two. Wrong. Now, this is only an inch taller than me. Remember that. That's a short beyond. Now, I'm like, five foot two. Wrong. Now, this is only an inch taller than me. Remember that?

That's a short beyond. Now, Arthur, so like I'm like five foot two, I know her. Like I know that. I've seen her. Now, Arthur actually worked at this particular station as a clerk. He was also the son of the former sheriff of San Francisco County. Here we go. So the officers knew him and took it very seriously right away because they knew Dorothy as well

He was the polite man that they all loved and respected You know they also knew that Arthur and Dorothy had an interesting and very tumultuous marriage She was outgoing and she was clearly getting bored of him in recent years and he was very shy and quiet All right now these officers had worked with Arthur for almost 15 years. Wow. So they knew Dorothy very personally. When they took a look at the details of the Missing Persons report he had filed,

they noticed the height he had listed for Dorothy, and all of them were confused. They all stated she was definitely around five foot seven. They could say this was certainty because some of them were around that height. When they had spent time with her around like events and days at the station, she was at least as tall as them. Yeah. Also, five, two, and five, seven is a tremendous height difference. That's mean you. When you really lay, I literally said, I'm nowhere near as tall

as ash. And like, that's literally, I am taking all of your moments. That was my next line on here was, I am nowhere near as tall as us. So we are like, if you see a picture of us together, I think actually the first picture that we ever posted together, people were like, oh my god, Alaina is so tiny. I was like, yeah, I'm just a fucking troll, things. I don't think that was what it was meant.

No, no, no. But our high differences. Very, very large. It's immense. Yeah. So they immediately are like, wait, Arthur, that's wrong. Like that's not her height. You pressed to name.

You know the incorrect key, Arthur. And he was just like, no, no, no, she's five foot two. I would know. I married her. And they were like, uh, that's weird. But no, sir. They were like, like, but that's weird, but no sir. They were like, I feel like that's not reality, but okay, so they asked Arthur flat out. They were like, do you think Dorothy could be that woman

that was found in the valley without a header hand? Yeah, I don't want to ask that, but like could she be? And he was like, yeah, I thought of that, but like, no. And he stated, you know what, I actually went to look at her that body the evening before, because I was wondering that. So I made an appointment to go see her. I told them, you know, my wife is missing. And he said, so he was like, okay, they were like, oh, where did you go to see it? And he said, oh, I went to see it in the basement of the sheriff's office, where it was, because they would put it in the basement of the sheriff's office where it was because they would put bodies in the basement of the sheriff's office for like holding purposes sometimes, but they were like

That body has never been outside of the morgue Like it was not held in the sheriff's basement. It's also like why would you lie to these people if you hadn't gotten seen her body? Like you just think you're smart enough to know where it is. Yeah. Like, what if there's an off chance that it wasn't there, sir? Which it wasn't. I mean, like I'm glad that you're that dumb, but... So they talked to the coroner, because they were literally, these officers were getting

weirder, like, they were like, okay, something's going on here. He does not know how tall she is. He also said he saw her body, but it wasn't at the place he saw it. So they talked to the coroner, and they're like, you know, he's lying about weird things. And he had said it was definitely not Dorothy in there, but he'd come off like very cold and casual about it when he was talking about it.

Like he seemed like whatever. But it's like she's still missing your saying. So like, aren't you worried? I also would think that like seeing a headless corpse like might change you a little bit. Well, that's the other thing. It's like, you just saw that headless corpse like, isn't that fucked up? Right.

But so they said to the coroner, you know, like, did he come and view the body? Like, do you remember that? And the coroner was like, oh, he came in here to the morgue. And they were like, oh, maybe he just got the date. Maybe he was just so flustered. He got it wrong then. And the coroner was like, oh, no, no, no, he came here.

He didn't view the body though. And they were like, what did he do? And he goes, he literally walked in, paced around a bit and then just left. And no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no be like, what just happened? First of all, how did you get in here? But this is the 40s, so they can just like walk in. That's crazy. But okay. I love that nobody calls anybody. So they're just like, okay, that's weird. Now in the meantime, so they're like, okay, this is getting weird and weirder. So they're starting to like ask more questions.

The fuck is up after that? Now Arthur claimed. Well, she probably ran off with a truck driver Is that that is that the new theme of your cases? I don't know why every case I have right now Like what is just like truck drivers? Like just stealing your girl always and forever Like truck drivers. I'm so sorry that you guys just get like totally blamed. Yeah, just tarnishing the name of truck drivers. So shitty.

And he said she loved to hitch rides on trucks and then bragged about how good she was at driving them. He literally said maybe she rode off with some truck driver. OK. When I read this, I about shit. You were like, well, that's my case. I was like, how can I not do this now like that calling me?

I don't know what's happening. I don't know what greater purpose. I'm I serve in this fight against like defaming truck drivers But I'm I'm gonna be here like my friend fight. We have a lot of truck driver listeners So here we are for you. Let's go. I'm gonna keep spreading this. We'll square up for you I'm gonna keep spreading that this lies. These are lies. I'm not gonna let them turn us you like that. No, I'm not gonna let that happen. We'll never.

Not on our watch. So immediately these police officers that have been his co-workers and friends for over a decade, they started an investigation secretly without him knowing. Okay. Because they're like, this is weird and this is gonna get weird.

So we should start doing this behind his back and then bring it to him so that we can keep him chill. I love. Good police work. Yeah, you love it. So they had to pretend like nothing was a mess while they worked with him. And the meantime, they're doing all this stuff

and they keep probably doing this. So they start speaking to people and they hear more about the marriage and how it was crumbling and basically in a state of ruin when she went missing. They said she was openly having affairs and wouldn't worry about Arthur knowing and Arthur was just trying to maintain control of her but was failing in his own eyes. So again he's trying to control her. This is giving me such great Gatsby vibes. It really is.

Yeah. It's got it's like a a yucky or great Gatsby vibes. It really is. Yeah, it's got that, it's like a yucky or great Gatsby. Yeah. Like none of the glitz or glamour. None in it. Just the same. Just like us. Yeah, just a vibe. Just a vibe.

A vibe. Now, friends also stated she was indeed five foot seven. She was not five foot two. What is happening, sir? And they said she had also been recently seeing a chiropractor about an issue with her spine. And as of the date of December 29th, that was the last time that any of them had heard from her as well. Okay. So he was telling the truth about that date.

Then a family member said something that really struck a nerve. They said that Dorothy had recently had a surgery. And they said, oh, where? And they said surgery on her feet to help alleviate the insane bunions she had all over them. What are the fucking odds? Exactly. So they were like, well, there that is.

Now after this, the surgeon who did this surgery, Dr. Clarence Carmichael, and the chiropractor that was working on her, were called in to view the body. That was found in the valley. They both looked and they both confirmed that that is indeed Dorothy Armand Eggers. And they said that's due to the bunions that have been recently operated on. He was like, I did that.

I know. Yeah. Like that's my work. And then the chiropractor was like, she has the exact same spinal condition that she, that I've been treating her for. That's so free. So both were present. So now they have a positive identification

and this body belongs to the co-worker, the co-worker's wife. So now the police are like, okay, so we know he's lying, but we don't have direct proof that he killed her. So we still have to find some of that. And then the doctor said when identifying her, one of the doctors, he said, he said he said his wife was five two didn't he? I know for a fact she was five seven. I wonder why he would say that like even the doctor was like what the fuck I would even lie like we all know her I

Was counting on my fingers. I was just like what are you doing because okay? So like you're and well I was like because is he did he like measure her after he cut her head off? But I was like your head does not give you five inches No, it definitely does not that's why I was just, because is he, did he like measure her after he cut her head off? But I was like, your head does not give you five inches. No, it definitely does not. That's why I was just counting on my finger. And he should know that the corner and the medical examiners would be able to estimate at least without her head what she would be. Right.

I mean, he works at a police station. I mean, no, this thing should be easy to do. If you would think also that if you're gonna go to the lengths to cut somebody's head and hands off, and like if you know your wife well enough, you probably know about her bunions. Exactly. Why would you not then just cut her feet off too?

Exactly. Parrific. Yeah. Well, questions. We'll get to it. Now, not wanting to jump to the conclusion that he killed her, because obviously right now we have some weird shit.

He's lying about stuff. We can't. But technically, we don't know that he killed her because obviously right now we have some weird shit he's lying about stuff but we can't but technically we don't know that he killed her yet yeah yeah from murderer out there yeah so they start there they keep trying to get these pieces of evidence together in January 19th the evidence came gift wrapped to them oh now a bit before this day Arthur had sold a younger deputy at the station his car his old car this day Arthur had sold a younger deputy at the station his car his old car. It was a 1940 Plymouth sedan and he had said it was his. He told the guys at the station this on January 19th and when they looked outside at it they noticed this car and informed him that's not Arthur's car. That's Dorothy's car. Why would you do that dude? Yeah, they were like that's definitely Dorothy's car like that is not Arthur's Do you have a kneeshester? Is this a housewives moment? So this is when the deputy told them he was like oh

That's weird because when they sign the tight when he signed the title over to me There was a woman sitting in the car and he was like and I said like who's that and Arthur said oh, that's my wife What but Dorothy was dead at the time, and they knew that now. And it turned out that that was his 17 year old niece, Marie. What? Now, he and Dorothy had adopted their nieces, 17 year old Marie and 11 year old Lorraine when they were younger.

Okay. So they thought of Dorothy as their mother. Yeah. Do you, were they his biological nieces are a hers. I actually don't know which biological nieces they were, but they were from a very young age to the point where they called them mom and dad. Oh. Like, yeah.

So off the car went to the crime lab now because they're like, hey, young dep, like rookie deputy, like it's so cool that you got that new car. It's evidence now. Like, very fun. You're such a rookie.'s evidence now. Like, like, very bad. You're such a rookie, which thank goodness you bought the car, I guess. Now, me, because now it's his at least, and it can go right into evidence. Now, immediately upon inspection, it was clear to technicians that this car had been recently cleaned and very thoroughly.

Why would you sell it to a police officer, though? Why are you so dull? What? Now, especially the trunk area it was all beacuse completely but they are trained to find what dumbasses don't and in the crum, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem, crem,

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But they found type A blood in the bathroom and in the cracks of the bathtub. They also found blood on Arthur's shoes and a pair of pants of his that hung in the closet. In this search, they also discovered that Arthur had donated all of Dorothy's clothing. Sir. And they also found evidence that on January 4th, he had sold her wedding and engagement rings for ten bucks at a pawn shop. Why didn't you even just like throw them out at that point? Well, at forty, ten dollars is more. He later said he did this because he figured if the cops suspected him,

then him having her ring would make him more suspicious. No, selling the ring is always more suspicious, my guy. And it's like, okay, so much time packed there. So if she wasn't wearing her rings at the time of her death and missing, why would it be weird that you would have them? You live with her. If she had left them at home, they would be at home.

Right. But if you are saying you would seem suspicious, that means that you are automatically being like, well, they would know I took them off her body. And you're automatically being like, I didn't want to look suspicious. Why not? Like if you don't have anything to do with it, then you wouldn't. Exactly. Now, January 22nd, because of all of this, he was arrested for the murder of Dorothy Eggers.

You don't say. Now, during his days of long interrogations, he had a few days of them. He said he only sold and donated all of her ship because he was just sure she was gone for good and she left him for another man and he was like, I want all of shit out of my house. Okay. So they had him view the body at the morgue. Because it was like, okay, well, you didn't see it the first time. So let's see. He was cold as ice about it. He looked at it and there's a photo of this like him looking at this body. He looked at it and there's a photo of this, like him looking at this body.

And according to newspaper reports from the time, they pulled the sheep back kind of dramatically to see if they could get a reaction from him and he didn't even flinch. What, and you're looking at your wife? And he said, quote, well, that certainly looks like Dorothy. How?

She's headless, sir. Yeah, exactly, and handless. She is headless. How. Yeah, exactly. And handless. She is headless. How do you sit there and be like, yep, that's my Dorothy, that's her. And you're saying, and just like whatever, well, and you had already said I saw her,

and it wasn't her. Like, I know it wasn't her. And then he said, that looks pretty good. It resembles her quite a bit. That looks pretty good. And then he just sat there and stared at it coldly again.

And he said, I'd say that was her. I'll claim the body. Oh, like, did you do it, though? Is that right? Sure, why not? That's right. He then admitted to them that he lied before about viewing her body. And he said he did it because he figured no one would really check up on it.

And it would get questions about whether this was her off of him for a while. Because he said, I knew people were immediately going to think that this was her. I didn't want people asking me about it. And he was, so I said, I figured if I told everybody I'd already viewed her, and that it wasn't her, that everybody would stop bringing it up. And I wouldn't have to deal with it. Okay. He worked at a police station for over a decade and thought no one would notice this.

Well, that's the thing. I'm like, you literally worked with the police. But he also said he didn't view her or claim her body at the time. He, that he had said he viewed it because he didn't want to upset her mother. And her mother was elderly. He didn't want to upset her. So that was her. We're not in her.

We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're not in her. We're notset her mother. Upset her mother. It doesn't make sense to know. He then told the police that yes, this was here at her,

and yes, he had lied to save his mother-in-law's delicate sensibilities, but he did not kill his wife. He said he thought one of them, one of the men she was having in a fair with, probably did it. Okay. And he didn't have a name, but he said he was sure it was one of them.

All right. And he said, quote, I wouldn't hurt a hair on her head. I wouldn't kill her. I wanted her to raise the children. Nice. That's the only reason I wouldn't kill her. I love that he's like, I wouldn't kill her.

She's gonna stay home and raise those kids. How forties, though. No, I loved her. I wouldn't do that. She is the love of my life and my best friend. It's like, no, she needs to be fucking around to cook dinner. Like, I was literally just gonna say, what am I gonna do, Meg? My own dinner? Like, you guys are crazy.

I keep her in the kitchen. Why are you getting rid of my wife? That's why she's got so many bunions. I got a clean now. Why would I do that? I can. And honestly, at that point, I'm pleased I was like, yeah, you know what?

That's a good, well, yeah. I guess that's right. That's why I don't kill mine. Why would you kill someone who's cooking you dinner and cleaning your house? So he was putting jail awaiting the next steps and they were only able to hold him there under the charges of grand theft Because he forged Dorothy's signature on that car title and he fraudulently Sold it to a fucking sheriff's deputy. I cannot so they really couldn't hold him on murder yet because they didn't have that smoking gun sure

Now in the next day or so, his niece Marie actually came to visit him. She spoke to the police and she came to visit him in jail. She was doing this basically to try to get him to admit what he had done. She was accompanied by a police officer in the jail and he witnessed her say to Arthur Eggers that she said, I know that body, that blanket. She was like, that blanket was from our house.

Dude, come on. And he said, he was like, what are you talking about? And she was like, that blanket was on my bed. Oh, God. And I guess he just stared at her and then said, the girl is lying and then sat back down. It was just like, whatever. And she was like, that was literally a quilt on my bed.

And she's like, why would I lie about that? Exactly. Now, January 27th, he took a polygraph, but he was such a fucking mess that it was only producing inclusive results. They couldn't even say he was lying. It was just like, they were like, is your name Arthur? He was like, no. Is your name Arthur? And he was like, I am having a stroke. And they were like, okay, like we can't even get you to, we can't even get a baseline here. So they stopped it with literally no answers at all. Wow. So this is when they pulled out the big guns.

That big gun was a man named Robert Jones. So Robert Jones was a retired sheriff's deputy. And he had worked with Arthur and also Arthur's father when he was the sheriff. They knew that this would be a tough guy for Arthur to bullshit, and they were right. Because he was just a good interrogator, first of all, and to Arthur respected him, and he worked with his father, and they knew this would be like some kind of emotional thing

that would maybe tip him in to be like, I have to talk. And like a power struggle kind of thing. Yeah, it's like him lying to Robert Jones would be a big deal. Right. Right. Now, so he went in there to interrogate him and he said, Art, I believe you're guilty. I believe you will have a better chance if you confess.

Get it off your chest and lay it on the line. That's all it took. You're shitting me. Arthur broke down and said he did it. He killed his wife and threw her mutilated body into that canyon. So what happened? Why so he said December 30th He came home from work and he saw a man hurry out the door and run away So he went inside and he said he found Dorothy in their bedroom naked He obviously deduced that she had slept with this runaway man. Uh-huh and according to Arthur

He said that she was leave she this runaway man. And according to Arthur, he said that she was leaving, she said, I'm leaving you for Bob. Apparently Bob was that man who had just left. And he claimed that she had mentioned Bob before. And he had tried to ignore it and live with it. But then during this argument, she called them a cheap skate and said, what are you going to do about it, you little insect? Oh.

Now, the first confession is the most damning, but he told several different tales of this whole thing, and it all started with that first half. And does that always stick around? That's the whole thing that starts. Okay. Because that he came home from work, man runs out, comes in, she's naked in the bedroom,

she calls him a cheap skate, and calls him a little insect. That's how they all begin. But I skate and it calls them a little insect. That's how they all begin. But I've never heard anybody call somebody an insect before. You little insect, and doesn't it feel so like, I thought you were gonna say, in cell, like that insect. Actually, insect.

I think Ma has said that before, like, like that's like an insect. That's a little insect. Yeah, it just sounds like, whoosh. That's a tough one because That's a little insect. Yeah, it just sounds like whoosh. That's a tough one because insects are kind of yucky. Now, sometimes he would remove himself from first degree murder and other times he would put himself right into first degree murder

with the next half of the various things he told about this. So this one ended with one she asked him what he was gonna do about it. He said, quote, we started to fight and we fought all the way down the hall into the bathroom. I hit her in the face, which I'm like, oh, okay. And she fell into the bathtub stunned.

I ran to my bedroom, got my gun, returned, and shot her twice. I then loaded her into the back of my car and cut her up. No, I didn't cut her up to avoid identification. I cut her up because I was so fucking mad. I wanted to cut all her all to pieces, but I didn't have her up to avoid identification. I cut her up because I was so fucking mad. I wanted to cut her all to pieces, but I didn't have time. Oh, he did. It's so interesting because as soon as you said, he removed her head and her hands.

I was like, oh, identification. Yeah, he literally says, like, I know it makes it seem like I did, but I would have cut her into more pieces if I could. Wow. Like, that was just because he was angry. And he did live there. And I imagine that he He lived where because you in the beginning they thought maybe the person who did this didn't live around the guy

And he did and he kind of says I think it this was what we find out later was he meant for her to go all the way into the canyon But she got caught if she had gone all the way in she might not have been found for a long time gotcha way in she might not have been found for a long time. Gotcha. Now what's interesting to me too is he said he was so fucking mad and that's why he cut off her head in her hands. Those are the two things that a lot of people point to as being the most like person things about a person. Yeah. Your hands, like people you know like your hands are her hands made him dinner every month. Yeah. And then you're obviously your head is what makes you like a person. So I your hands, like people, you know, like your hands are, her hands made him dinner every month and then, and then your, obviously your head is what makes

his life a person. So I think that was, I think he's right. I think he did it to be a dick. So he was like, I'm gonna take away the things that make you a person. Oh God. Just to think in that like, depraved, terrifying. Oh yeah.

So he then said he drove a considerable distance after dumping the body, and he kept calling her the body, too, where he, after this considerable distance that he drove, he threw out her head in hand side of a car. Okay. He then said he got back home, quote, picked up the cartridge jackets of my automatic,

one in the bathroom and one in the hall, and went to sleep. When I woke, I cleaned everything up and went back to work. I guess I didn't do a very good job cleaning. How cold? He then further cemented this fucked up confession by saying he was actually trying to he said if I was trying to conceal her identity like most people are thinking right now, he was like I would have cut off her fucking feet because those bunions, he said quote, I would have cut off her fucking feet. Because those bunions, he said, quote, anybody would have recognized those feet.

I would like to have burned her. You can't bury a body without a head, can you? Oh, yeah, that was his statement. Like, he was literally like, you fucking idiots. Of course, I would have cut her feet off. Like, anyone would recognize those. Of course, I wasn't trying to conceal her identity. Jesus Christ.

And it's like what? And then he said, quote, huh, I'm glad I got that off my chest. I feel better. And then he said, I feel better. I can't. Yeah. You feel better.

You murdered your wife. You cut off her head. You cut off her hands. And then tossed her into a canyon like trash. That's so horrible. And then he initially said he didn't want to try to get out of a murder charge. He was like, I'm just going to cooperate and plead guilty and serve my time. Okay.

I won't try to fight this. You can just bring me to try. So that was the first thing, but then his confession changed. So another version started the exact same way. But now this time, he's taking himself out of any kind of premeditation, and now he's moving into oops, it was an accident territory. Uh-huh. After the insect comment, he said he grabbed his 30th caliber revolver and went to go after Bob to shoot him. And he said, but according to him, she tried to stop him, they began to wrestle essentially.

but according to him she tried to stop him. They began to wrestle essentially. He said they both fell onto the bathroom floor and oops the gun happened to go off twice hitting her directly in the chest. Oh, come, please, come on dude. Yeah, he was quoted as saying quote, I was trying to shove her away and she was trying to pull me and then we both fell in the bathroom and the gun just went off. Yeah, they usually do twice. So he did what any logical husband would do at that point. He said, I didn't know what else to do. So I put her naked body in the bathtub, got a rip saw and sawed off her hands and head because he didn't want her to be identified. You literally said that you would have cut her feet out too.

And they were like the bunions though, and he was like oops. Come, I didn't think of that. I just stick with the first story more on it. Yeah, he then wrapped her in a blanket from his niece's bed. So fucked. Or his adoptive daughter's bed. Yeah.

And through her in the trunk, he drove her to the waterman canyon and off she went into it. He then cleaned up the mess and reported her missing. So again, this one is definitely made to take the blame off of him. Yeah. And it's definitely taking that first degree murder charge out. It's also, which is crazy to me that he's assuming the police are going to buy the fact that Dorothy's like sexual escapades, first of all, then verbal, then physical fight culminating

with two gunshots and a dismemberment in the tub with a rip saw. All happened in a small home where the couple's two young nieces were sleeping because he was claiming they were all home Well, because that's I was gonna ask like where were his nieces when this is when they were just sleeping They slept through the whole thing no one and then that there was also a man who had been renting a room in their house forever And he was sleeping through the whole thing too sure makes sense definitely all of them were like no We were not home that nice are you a new here guy? Yeah. So he was taken to the spot where he dumped his wife's body and he showed them exactly how he had done everything. But before he left on this hiding, he was said that he was like, you know what, I'm really hungry. Can I

have some food? Now, after confessing to the gruesome murder and dismemberment of his wife, and right before leading investigators to the other parts of her mutilated body, and the Ripsaw in gun He had used to create this whole thing. He ate a shit ton of pot roast potatoes gravy, pudding, coffee, literally stuffed his fucking face. What the actual fuck? And then he was like, cool, let's go. Why? Like, you don't deserve pot roast. Like, what are you doing? You're murdering. No murderer deserves pot roast. I just...

I don't murder. I deserve pot roast. No way. Certainly not a good pot roast. Not even a bad pot roast. I mean, I don't even know if there is a bad pot roast. I feel like I've had a bad pot roast, but yeah, you're right. They don't even deserve a bad pot roast.

Yeah. So, yeah, so he stuffed his face. So, then they went and aside from showing the police where he had thrown her body over the canyon, he also led police to where he had dumped the 38 caliber gun. And also that gun had AE engraved on it. So it was like, it was actually smoking at the time. It was literally smoking when they picked it up. They also found the rip saw. Now the rip saw was apparently covered completely in blood, bone, and flesh. I was literally smoking when they picked it up. They also found the rip saw. Now the rip saw was apparently covered completely in blood, bone, and flesh.

I was still attached to it. While he was doing this, leading them to the spots of these horrific events, he was posing for photos at different places. And because there were times when they would ask him to stand next to something so they could get like him in the shot. But at one point, he goes, here here Sheriff, get in this one with me.

This is not a fun time, sir. Oh yeah, he's just having a great time. Like we're not doing a photo shoot at this moment. He had dinner made for him again. So he's feeling great. Unreal. Now, he also apparently turned around and looked in the valley and he said, what a heck of a place to dump a body.

There are a lot better spots. Yes, correct. What? So obviously that story he told seemed like it was not completely true, but true enough with the bones of it to probably be a little bit of what happened. But now he just started just lying. So after he confessed, showed them where and how

he disposed to the body, showed them where he's the saw and murder weapon were buried. He was just gonna pull it back and be like, oh, I'm not guilty, I didn't do that. How? What? No, I didn't do that. Who did it? Like, bro, you literally just showed them

where everything was. You just brought us to the place where you threw out the gun with your fucking initials carved into it. No, he was like no intimidation. You intimidated me into confessing that. And they were like, but then how did you know where all the stuff was?

And he was like, I don't know. Why did you sell your wife's wedding eggs for $10? He was like suspicious. Why didn't you be suspicious? Don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious. Blood in your car that you then sold to a literal police officer.

Rooking or not. And on top of this, he wouldn't tell them where he hid her head or hands. Oh, that's fucked. He sent them to various locations and basically had fun watching them try to find them and running around to wrong locations. Like, he would send them somewhere and then be like, uh, just kidding. No. Oh, dick move.

They also had volunteers in the community helping the police search and also massive troops of Boy Scouts tried to help. Because that's what 40's Boy Scouts did. They were out looking for sought-off heads and hands of women killed by a creepy little husband. That's just like what? They were like, hey, troop 42. Today, we're gonna learn a real fucking lesson. Listen, put the ropes down, guys. We're heading out into the wilderness. You know what, that birdhouse you made looks great, but you're gonna get a lesson in life right now. What? What if they had found the head in hands? What?

Who's paying for therapy? Is that part of the Boy Scouts? I would not know. Like, do you become a cadaver dog? It's part of your Boy Scout training, that's wild. All I know about Scouts is cookies. There you go. Now, he sent them everywhere and nothing. Then after a few of these wild goose

chases, he was like, actually, I'm just off. I brought the head and hands home and I burned them there. And he was like, I just didn't want to, and this is the funny part. He's like, the way he said it was like, you know, it's just, it's almost too awful to say and I'm embarrassed But I brought them home and I burned them like it's like honey killed your wife in sod her head and his off already Has sailed off the side of the earth like you're still going actually we lost it's in another space time continuum Yeah gone like you that's this is the least embarrassing part of you What did so is no he did? I don't even know. So they went to his home and they sifted through the fireplace, all the ashes.

They didn't find even a single trace of bone or teeth or anything. And he was like, well, yeah, dummies. She had plastic dentures. They melted. And they were like, yeah, okay, fucker. She didn't have plastic bones. They would be there. Right. And he was like, I don't know your life. Like, I don't know.

My God. Like, they were like, what do you say about no bones? And he's like, I'm not a fucking fire expert. I don't know. I gotta go. And they were like, we did though. Like, we figured it out. There did not there.

Like, bone, where is she? And he was like, I don't know, like, plastic dentures. I'm just gonna hang on to that. Plastic dentures. And then he told a reporter later in the week after this whole debacle, he said, no one in this world will ever find my wife's hands or head. Wow. Which I'm like, wow, okay, what the fuck did you do to them? What do you think he did to them?

Do you ever find out? No. They then sent, he then sent them somewhere else where he said he put them, but then said, oh, wait, no, I didn't bury them. I either burned them or I threw them somewhere. Two very different actions. Exactly. And I was like, what? And then from his jail cell, they interrogated him again about it because all they wanted to do was find her fucking head and hands. And he said, nope, not telling you. Did anybody say, you know, the fact that we can't find her head or hands might upset her

elderly mother? Yeah. and she was like, I literally don't know what her father is. And then he said, quote, I swear by these up raised hands that no one will ever know what I did with them. Oh, and I was like, that's the atrix. That's really fucked up. It was his way of getting back that little bit of control that he was able to hang on to. And I don't even think he cared about like the investigators finding them. I think it was to do it to her.

Like one last way to just fuck her over. Like I get to know forever where your head and hands are. No one else will. Like your mind. That's basically what it was. It was mine. She was right about this guy. She was.

Insect. He is an insect. Now at one point, he even said to a police officer while talking about Dorothy's body, quote, I'm surprised there weren't any powder burns. The gun was very close. Like that's how casually he was just like, and then like in the same breath he'd be like, I didn't kill her. And you like, but fuck her, you can't. You just said. Now while awaiting trial, his sister Grace died of a heart attack in five minutes after that her her husband George dropped dead Whoa, it's like not very relevant to this case

But I read it in one of the old-time e-news papers that were in there somewhere weird. Yeah, like whoa She died of heart attack and five minutes later her husband died just dropped dead and like natural causes Yes, like I just thought it was weird and it was while he was awaiting trial five minutes later her husband died, just dropped dead. And like natural causes for the death. Yes, you're right. I just thought it was weird. And it was while he was awaiting trial. Now then the next day he said, actually no. I didn't do any of that.

I didn't actually even kill her. You not even accidentally with the gun. She actually accidentally shot herself. And that was how it happened. Her head off and her hands. Yeah, he was like, you know what? It was, this is, he's like, I figured it out now. He's like, we had that whole big fight.

Now I remember, the gun went off because she took it out of my hand and like, oops, she shot herself in the chest twice. And in the side under her armpit, correct. Seems legit, it happens all the time. Yeah, it totally makes sense. And again, this isn't how it happened. It did not happen because if he's still claiming others are in the home sleeping, if two gunshots

go off, they're gonna wake up. In your house? It's gonna happen. Now, in court, he pleaded not guilty by a reason of insanity, which like might get granted. But I think he's bullshitting. So his defense was led by an attorney named James Starritt And he just tried to attack the investigation as a whole as well as use the fact that Dorothy's body was headless and Handless against them. Mm-hmm. Because he said there's no real proof it was Dorothy And he said quote that body may be the headless horseman of sleepy hollow for all the transcript shows I never heard that he had bunions. Exactly. None of this worked. No, he tried, but none of it worked

because they had actual forensic evidence tying him to this crime and he had freely admitted that body was Dorothy many times before. So many times. And they had the two doctors that came and said, yes, that is her. Right. We have the surgery, we have everything.

And the 45 different like changing stories is not helpful. Exactly. And that he lied about the height, we have everything. And the 45 different like changing stories is not helpful. Exactly, and that he lied about the height and everything. Right. He's a bullshitter. It just doesn't make any sense. Now, when in front of a grand jury, he now said he never killed her and that the body in the canyon wasn't even Dorothy's body. He's like back to that.

He's like, that's not even her. That's bullshit. Okay. He said she's still obviously missing. And then he said, you know what? The cops, he said the cops made the whole thing up. Now he was claiming that he was framed. And this was all a plan dreamed up by Dorothy.

The men she was having affairs with and the deputies. He worked, he said, they all are working together to frame me for her murder. This is a whole plan. It's a whole cover up by all of them. What? He then said he would refuse to pay for her funeral expenses because he goes, that body isn't related to me. It's not mine. I'm not paying for it. Are you in the handing me? He was like, I don't

even know that dead person, so I'm not paying for it. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah. By May 6, 1947, when the trial began, he was fucked. So throughout the trials, he basically looked nervous as fuck and was like shaking, sweating. I saw some pictures. He seemed to be wilded in hell. He was wilding, and he would close his eyes and look like he was sleeping through it at times. Oh, nice. Yeah. They went over the events he said happened the evening of December 29th when they

believed Dorothy was killed and when he had admitted to killing her. And he said all that chaos happened while the kids and the room renter were home and sleeping. It didn't, though. Well, the police took a look at the niece's night as well and discovered they had gone to a movie that night together. And it is likely when Dorothy was shot that they were at this horse. They then said he put Dorothy's body in bed for a while after killing her to make it look like she was sleeping

So when the daughters came home and saw her because they said they looked in and saw her sleeping in bed Oh my god, they said she was not sleeping. She was dead by that point That is so sick and he put them in there for that reason that's heinous now Unfortunately for him even taking away his confession because, you know, his attorney's saying that it was coerced and it's gone back and forth so much that they can't really take it into account. I feel like that well. Which one was coerced?

That's the thing. Which of the seven were coerced? Which one? Because the first half of it always stays the same too. Right. They also had the surgeon and chiropractor identifying her on very specific markers. The blood in the trunk matching her blood type. He had led them to the murder weapon and the rip saw he used as a dismemberer.

There was physical evidence on the rip saw tying him to the crime and tying the rip saw to Dorothy. The gun was tested and matched the bullets in her body. It had his initials on it. The blanket was from his home. There was blood in the bathroom that matched Dorothy's as well. He had tried to stay on the stand that the blood that they found. Stop right there. Was food coloring. And it was in the bathroom because during a fight once, Dorothy had got red food coloring and just started squirting it at him. No, no. That motherfucker tried that on the stand. He said, literally said, you dumbasses.

That is food coloring. And they were like type A food coloring. Is that what do you? I usually get oh negative food coloring when I get it. That's the best. Why? It also I'm just picturing like getting into a fight with Drew and just being like you know what? Hold please.

Stay right there mother fucker. I'm about to. And just going to my baking cabinet sifting through all my food coloring. It's picking out a red one and just being like, Squirt Squirt. Why? For why though? That's the thing.

Why? I'm just, I'm dying to know if anyone in that court was like, please explain play by play how that happened. Like, stop. I would literally- Alabry, I'll listen. Literally. Because if I was in that court, I'd be like,

time the fuck out. Judge, please allow me this. And I would be like, you explain to me right now Arthur Ager coloring. What happened? Did she call it? Did you? What happened? Did she have the food coloring in her hand? Was she making cookies? Was she making red velvet? What was going on? And did she just go square-squirt or did she like crazy with it? There's not even that much in there. And she wasn't making red velvet because she would need all of that. She wouldn't be wasting a draw.

That's true. She wouldn't. Yeah, he tried that though. I'm really trying that. There's so many times they're at this story that I've just left. I feel like on the stand when he said that, it must have gone silent in that courtroom. And you know everyone in there just went, what? Okay, moving on. Like, you know that was literally just like, oh, and you know his attorney was like, fuck. Like, did you really say that? Why would you do that? During a fight.

I'm never going to be over this as long as I live to be honest. And also his niece's slash adoptive daughters gave him up as well. Good. So he said on the stand that Arthur, her uncle, had forced her to practice signing Dorothy's name for him. Girl, you're just telling us this now? Yeah, and she said, when he sold that card of the deputy, he had forced her to go with him and sign Dorothy's name,

but she wasn't doing it well enough, because she was nervous, and she was like, I don't know what, why this is. She's like, why are you making me do this? What is going on? And he was like, fuck it, I'll do it myself, and just did it himself. But like, she was in the car, and that's why the deputy saw her in the car that day

Perfect and she also said again that blanket that she was wrapped in is from my own fucking bed That's just so sad to me that he took a blanket out of one of his nieces and like again adoptive daughters Oh, I'm dead Like like come on. How dare you now? It was only a day or so before this that she had found out for the first time Marie that she was adopted she didn't know that she was adopted so she had no idea and now she found that out that she was adopted adopted by the man who is now on trial for killing her adoptive mother oh that is just way too much.

How did she find her adoptive daughter? They just like told her. I think because of the press coverage, their relationship was that's kind of dissected a little bit. And they were like, well, you know, and some outlets were calling them his adoptive nieces. Oh, and some of them were calling him as adoptive daughters. So it was like, I think she probably saw something and was like, what does this mean? And they were like, we gotta tell you. You gotta tell you. That's so sad to be going through all of that and then you're like, your whole life has already just flipped upside down. Yeah. And then somehow it gets worse. Exactly. So I thought that was like really herring. Yeah. Now in neighbor testified on January 3rd, she saw Arthur outside, like voraciously cleaning his wife's car. So she was like, I watched that should happen.

He was like very much focusing on the trunk. Oh man. Now Arthur's attorneys just blamed Dorothy for her own death at this point, because they knew their client was such an idiot. That's really all they could do at this point. Yeah. So James Starrat said in his opening statement, quote, Our evidence will prove Mrs. Eggers was a domineering,

forceful woman who was not averse to attending dances alone and picking up strange men. For a long time, Eggers heard rumors of his wife's unfaithfulness. When he saw with his own eyes the truth of these rumors, there was a blinding flash in his mind, and he grabbed a gun to defend the sanctity of his home. In the struggle, Mrs. Eggers, who was strong physically, was accidentally shot. Yeah.

I like that it was like Mrs. Eggers, who was fucking strong just so you know. Mrs. Eggers like who's the strong one who's not nervous? That's it for real. I know now they also brought our third on to the stand Which I was like that should a done that's a bold move. Let's see how it shakes out for you Yeah, like he literally said his wife supported him with food coloring in a fight So like really one of those things where you're like a bold move. Go off. All right, let's see.

He said, he had a happy marriage until a couple of years ago when she started going through what he called, quote, the change of life, which I'm assuming he meant menopause. And he said she was a big pain in the ass after that, which I'm like, oh, Zari, the fuck was so sad for you. Do you even know that her fucking miserable, like, menopause sounds like it sucks. Everybody going through menopause right now,

like, I'm sorry, because hearing about it freaks me out. It's gotta be tough. So, like, I'm so sorry that she was going through that and it disrupted your fucking flow. What a dick. No, that's when he said she started stepping out on their marriage and was going to fucking dances with other men or alone Maybe she just liked to dance. She liked to dance man

He said of the day she went missing quote I went into the house and found my wife in the bedroom. She was nude. I told her I was going to stop such goings on and got my dress from the dress my Gun from the dresser drawer Dorothy grabbed me and we struggled in the bedroom. She pushed me into the bathroom and we both fell down. The gun went off. Next thing I knew I was crying. And then I heard these voices. So now he's really leaning into like the insanity of the fans. He never heard voices before this. He said, quote, I was sitting on the toilet seat crying and scared. And then I know I got in the car, and somebody else was in that car,

and kept saying, she's in the back, she's in the back. I found myself driving along the waterfront, but I kept hearing these voices, she's in the back, she's in the back. I stopped the car and looked in the trowel. I was told you're a trowel. But it was empty. I thought it was all a bad dream.

But when I went back to the house, Dorothy wasn't there. So where'd she go? So now he's saying, oops. I shot her accidentally. I think I don't remember. It just happened. And then I cried on the toilet for a little while. Then I put her in the car. I got in the car. Someone else was in there with me saying she's in the back. She's in the back. She's in the back. He stopped. He looked in the trunk. She was gone. Right. And then he was like, I guess I should go home. And he went home and she was just gone. So he's like it's weird

She's gone. I think his like really shitty lawyer put that together His shitty lawyer was like you need to talk about voices. Yep, and you need to remove yourself from any of the actual events And he was like got it chief and like just throwing a little bit of magic to you He's like a little bit of whimsy on there. A little bit of sprinkle. She gone. She's gone. I have no idea. Where'd she go? She's just, I opened the trunk. She's gone. Gone must've been magic.

And just like that. Every little thing she does is magic. She's just gone. I feel like he would have sat that for you. He probably would have. Now again, he said he didn't remember more than one shot and he didn't know who the other person in the car was who was saying she's in the back. Okay. Then he said, quote, sometimes I think she is dead. Sometimes? Honey, she's dead. Like, that's, yeah. He said, sometimes I think she's alive and

laughing at my predicament, which I'm like, I wish she was, to be honest. She's laughing at your predicament somewhere. So he said, quote, but that body I saw in San Bernardino was not my Dorothy. That's what he said on the show. Now she's yours. Now after this James Starrett had a surprise. He was like, I got it. Like he thought this was it. He was so he did the whole like surprise witness. Stop. He was calling this witness and this witness got on the stand and said that the night Dorothy's body was found he had actually come across a man with bloody hands in that area. Okay. Didn't call a place about it though. That man was changing a tire like wow so we have another potential suspect because that was a

big like oh somebody else was in the area and they had bloody hands that's pretty big. That's huge. What's going on? It's true. The court went nuts and started was like so smug about it. He was like, mm-hmm. I've been waiting to drop this one. Then Deputy District Attorney Barnes called a witness right after this one. This witness was X-Marine, an X-Marine named Fred Matusky. And Fred said, hello, I'm the guy that was changing my tire that night with bloody hands. And he said, I had gotten married four hours before that, and I cut my hands on taking the tin cans off of the back of my car, because it was the just married car sucks. And he was like, I was literally getting married during the time that any of this was going down, but you can look at the records.

Lots of witnesses to say that I was there and witnesses to say they saw me cut my hands on those. And he was like, I had bandages on my car. I was like, I'm not going to be a man. I'm not going to be a man. I'm not going to be a man. I'm not going to be a man. I'm not going to be a man. during the time that any of this was going down. You can look at the records. Lots of witnesses to say that I was there and witnesses to say they saw me cut my hands on those. And he was like, I had bandages on my hands. Like, they weren't just bloody hands. Like I wasn't just walking around like with bloody hands.

Thank you for making the memory even worse. But he was like, cool cool. He was like, I got married. It was awesome. Then I cut my hands not so great. I thought that would be the end of it, but here I am. But here I am to tell you that hi, I'm an ex-marine and I did not kill this woman that I don't know. Thanks.

And cut her hands out, her hands and head off. Send us something for our wedding. So that whole like surprise witness, here it is, of J.S.S. It would like, ooh! It was just, womp, womp, womp! Which, yes, we love it. Now, Arthur Eggers was found guilty of first degree murder after they deliberated for a think of day. He was?

I know, it's crazy. The jury asked actually for life without parole. That's what they were at. They said, can we get a life without parole sentence instead of a death sentence? Because at the time, it was going to be death. Oh, OK. The judge said the punishment for first-degree murder is death

and he was not going to say no to that. Do you know why they didn't want to sentence? I think they just like, they were concerned that potentially he was insane or they were like, I would rather, I think they all, maybe this group of people just really didn't want to sentence somebody to death, which I get. Absolutely.

That must be a very heavy thing to do. Yes. And they ended up having to get a new jury because that jury wouldn't recommend that as a punishment. Oh, wow. So they had to get a whole new jury and they had to find out a few scene. So now his trial to find out if he was actually sane.

That was on June 11th. And he was declared sane by three different doctors. OK. Who are like, he is lying and bullshitting. This is fake. Yeah. He was found sane by the jury as well in sentence to die in the gas chamber. Oh man. Now he received two stays of execution and a temporary reprieve thanks to his other sister,

Edda. His sister, Edda, like fought for him. Oh. And she got him two stays and that reprieve because they tried to argue that he wasn't sane, but every single time he was found sane. Okay. He would get that stay. Right. They would get moved and then it would just get reset. They were just trying everything they could exactly so that her brother didn't have to die.

Now, he was offered a last second stay as he was led to his death. Wow. They literally offered one. And Los Angeles County Sheriff Eugene Biscolos told him he could have the stay of execution if he just told them where Dorothy's head and hands were. And he didn't. They were like, we can work to get you life instead of killing you if you just fucking tell us where those are.

This motherfucker. No. He would rather die. Being led to the gas chamber, he said, nope. Wow, just it's so eerie, just to like accept your own death like that. And to just be like, no, I'm gonna continue fucking with you until after my death.

Like you'll never find her at once. Wow. And in prison, he changed the story a million more times. He recanted the confession. He maintained her in his innocence till the end. And he died in San Quentin's gas chamber on October 15th, 1948 at 1012 a.m. Goodbye. And his last words were shatter I may have, but I never cut her up. He went out with another story with another bullshit lie. Dude, that's what you wasted your last words on. We know you did.

Your DNA is all over this, and I was her skin. And just the way he said it, shot her. I may have, but I didn't cut her up. So did somebody else come in and cut her up? Like somebody else was like, oh, cool, you did the work for me. I'm dying to cut someone up, and I'm so glad I found this one.

Like, that's what you came up with. Who cut her up then, dude? Like, you didn't just choose someone and somebody just happened to stroll by your bathroom in your own home and be like, oh my God, I've been looking for someone to dismember. How coincidental. So cool that you've done that.

That's unreal. That's unreal to me. That is the story of Arthur Eggers and he is a fucked up human who is obviously dead now. All right. Well, thanks for that one. That was something. It was obviously dead now. All right. Well, thanks for that one. That was something. It was a wild one.

I was like, this is just, and the fact that Dorothy's head in hands were never found bothers me. And the fact that they just like couldn't ever find them, because you're like, what did he do? What did he do? And the fact that he was so confident that they would never find them,

he must have burned them somewhere. I don't know where. That's the thing. I'm like it. He must have burned them somewhere. I would say where that's the thing I'm like I feel like he burned them like in the forest somewhere or somewhere Or something like so deep somewhere or like burn them and then through the ashes and like water or something like somewhere Where it just isn't gonna be found. Yeah, but man it's sad. That is really sad. And it's so sad for his adoptive daughters. I know. Like that's horrible. I want a awful way to find that out.

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