Morbid - Episode 3: The Dyatlov Pass Incident

Episode Date: May 16, 2018

This one is a real head scratcher. This week, we head into the mountains of Siberia to dissect the bizarre tale of 9 dead Russian hikers, 1 missing tongue and a possible Yeti siege back in 1959. The case has never been completely closed and although a lot of questions remain unanswered, there are organizations that don’t seem to want to reveal the truth. Strap in, because it’s about to get chilly and conspiracy theorist-y in here. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-dyatlov-pass-incident Recommended Reading: https://dyatlovpass.com See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And this week we're kind of taking a side step into the Siberian wilderness. So it's kind of a big side step. Yeah. A side leap as well. A side leap. This week we're going to be talking about the Dillatov pass incident. Or it could be the diatlov or it could be the diolatav. I don't think that it's still up. What's the first one you saw? Diolatav. I don't think it's that because the el comes after the tea. I know I thought that too but I've heard it called that before so I think I'm just being

American and I'm following what everyone else says. I think it's diolav. Yeah it's like a diet that you love, diet love. Wow. It's actually a really good way to say that now that I'm looking at the word. Right. It kind of makes sense. So, diet love.

Diet love. Diet love. How was that? No, I didn't hear it. Diet love pass incident. So we're going to send Super Super Russian every time we say it. I don't think we actually will. Hell, we might say a different every single time. It's gonna be said a lot. So this, this is like spooky as fuck. I'm not gonna lie. I was

spooked research in. I was spooked on the drive here on the way up the stairs to where we're podcasting and I'm spooked right now. It's one of those things that like, it's super spooky, but if you don't hike into the Siberian wilderness, you might not have to deal with this. So this might be one for everybody. That's a good takeaway from this. Don't hike into the Soviet Union of Russia. It's really a good life for me.

It's just the Soviet Union of Russia. You know. That's your IQ of 12 speakers. I told you. Look at me just calling back to last week. Just calling it back. Just calling it back. If you want to know what that joke is, go listen to last week's episode. Or else you won't know. Before we get started, I thought it would kind of be fun to talk about something spooky that happened this week because something spooky did happen this week. Ashley doesn't even know what I'm talking about. No, but it's looked at her with a spiral. So she's going to be right in here with all of you. So this week around us in

as you know, if you're if you're from Massachusetts, you'll know what I'm talking about. Unless you're Ashley. Unless you're Ashley. Off of 495 this week. And now the man's filled in the water triangle. I don't know if it's part of the bridge. We're part of the bridge water triangle. We'll definitely do that on an episode for sure.

Oh, good looks. So there was a ton of traffic. Like my husband got caught in it. Yeah, traffic, like my husband got caught in it. Yeah, me too. I know got caught in it on Wednesday night, on Wednesday night. So you want to know what happened? Yeah, I do. So what happened was the state police got a ton of calls in and all of them were saying that they saw a woman carrying a lifeless child into the woods. I just got the most amount of goosebumps that I've ever got in my life. Because when I heard this and read this, I was so spooked out just by thinking of this happening.

So I drove away that. Several people called with this same thing. A woman is carrying a lifeless child into the woods. I don't even know if I want to hear the rest Well, so they had police helicopters. They had police they had helicopters searching the area They were like now we need to find they found nothing Several people said and he's not gonna sleep that they I don't know so I don't know if it was like

Mistake and what people saw and maybe she was carrying something else. I don't know. Maybe people... I have no idea, but I... no matter what, they didn't find it. I was so glad I wasn't one of those people and that I had to work late and got caught in the back. Well, because I'm wondering, like, why didn't anyone take a picture? I would snap a photo of that and then I'd call the police and be like, I just saw this, or I'd pull over down the street and be like hey Feel like I couldn't go by but again, I wasn't there so maybe I would have just driven by but The picture in my mind right now is so scary right the picture in my mind is super spooky too That's why I had to share and I thought this was just too spooky did not share so well the good news is They didn't find the woman and they didn't find a lifeless child so that's find the woman and it didn't find a lifeless child. So that's the thing.

He's listening in the corner and I bet she wishes that her podcast that she was listening to has turned up a little more because she said she wasn't going to listen to us. And I can hear you feel now, Annie. The best part about this is I looked over in the corner and Annie just suddenly sat up. It's certainly listening to that.

She's like, why? The traffic. Oh fuck, I don't want to know anymore. I'm part of this now. Can I addknow things? Sorry, I just brought you all into my spooky-ass world. Wow, I've been in that traffic. And I've been dealing with this image in my mind for a week,

and I feel like I needed a share of everybody. Nightmares. So you're welcome for that. Sleep tight. I don't. If you see any women carrying lifeless children into the woods call a police, maybe snap a photo if you can. Don't pull over. I mean, don't pull over, that's dumb, but, yeah.

But maybe snap a photo. Yeah, and the bus. Yeah, bus. Yeah, bus. You know, I would want to see where she was going. So, you know, there's that. So, why did they just release that, that's what happened? Yeah, they just really, well, they released that's why's why like there was so much backup and there was like police helicopters

Yeah, there was helicopters everywhere. Yeah, and I literally said something must be going on. Yeah, it was that So and they did release that like nothing was found they searched for hours So they didn't find anything Imagine being like people that to search for that and the people imagine being people who saw it and then we're like No, I saw that. Like I saw that. And several people said the same thing. They're not sleeping.

Yeah, that's kind of bananas, but. I'm so sleepy. So that kind of segues perfectly into our super spooky topic. Oh my gosh, it's so. This one goes way back. We are taken. Yeah, we're taking a trip in the way back machine for this one.

It's back in January of 1959. When a young 23 year old man named Igor, Igor, he calls for reaction, did Diet love, because I'm gonna go with that for now. And now on to the love. Diet love, Igor Diet love led nine hikers into the Ural Mountains of Siberia. The group had seven men and two women,

and most of them were university students or engineers. So you were pretty young. Yeah. They were young. They were in their 20s, like early 20s. They were all super smart, super experienced hikers. And years were hikers. Like super experienced hikers. They all had been on several excursions.

They were like wilderness survival people. So they just they were doing. So I'm gonna go through their names in a I can't promise you that this is how they're gonna save. So what's funny to me is there's several Urees. Yeah, there are. Yeah, there's a lot of Uri's Nickname. Oh actually, no, I think it's a natural name. Oh where I found it like that his name was Yuri and then I Proud sees it said It maybe looks like Georgie, but it's GE or G-I-Y. Yeah, I don't know about that one. Yeah Oh, but maybe it is an nickname. Maybe you're right. So So, I'm gonna try to get through these. So, let's see. Yuri Dorschenko. Yuri Krivenenschenko. Igor Dayalove. Zanada Kolmogorovah. Rova, Rustam, Slobodan, Ludmila, Dubinina, Seaman Solotrov, who also went by Sasha or Alexander,

and I kind of see why. Nikolai, the Biddo, Brignolo. Yes, exactly. Or, say, I don't like your names. No, we're just trying to pronounce them. This is just going to be a tough one. We are stupid Americans. We are definitely double-Americans, so just go with us. So the goal of this whole hike that they were taking back in 1959 was to reach Mount or Torton or Torton which translates to don't go there.

No way! I didn't know that. So I did like the basicest amount of research and I was like I'm just gonna sit here and comment for the most part. Ah, hashtag, basicist. hashtag, website, labial. So, there's like a local tribe called the Mancy tribe. Or Moncy. I'm gonna go with Moncy, that sounds better. The Mancy tribe, in their language, this mountain peak translates to, like, roughly two, don't go there. Which is a pretty good warning sign. It's a pretty good warning to heed, I would say,

because they're not like having you guess, like maybe should we go there? It's not, maybe we should. It just translates into maybe gum here. Yeah, gum here, maybe gum here. Maybe there's spearmen at the top. Yeah, it doesn't translate to like, sometimes bad things happen here, but sometimes

But mostly you get cake like it's literally like Just don't go here. Yeah, just so my advice to everybody just listen to that But that's not what happened they went there. They did not listen to that so The trip was gonna be a 350 kilometer ski trip. What is that? Tricks like too, do you know?

Did not do the math. But maybe I will later. I don't have it in there. Or somebody can let me know. But whatever, it's a good trip. Like I said, all these skiers and hikers were like super experienced. So this was not supposed to be something

that was gonna be a big problem or have any kind of trouble I mean it was gonna be a tough trip, but they were ready for it. Right. There was one there was only one survivor of this trip and his name was Yuri Yudin Yuri Yudin. Yuri Yudin Survived because he happened to fall ill and stayed at the last place that they were all seen alive Which was like this little village settlement. Yeah and Yuri has a lot of information we'll see later that Yuri kind of started piecing some things together for everybody a little bit. Okay. Didn't come up with that in my basic research.

In your basic history search. And my most research research. And Yuri actually said that he recalls hearing a conversation when they were at that village between Igor Dylatov and Remember yeah Igor who was like kind of the leader of this whole shebang and A member of this village where the two of them were talking about it and it looked like Igor was being warned about something, but he couldn't make out exactly what it was I'm gonna I'm gonna really step out on a limb here and I'm gonna go with maybe that he was being warned about going to the place that translates to go, don't go there.

Maybe. I mean like maybe. I'm not gonna say like factual. I mean who knows, we weren't there. Nope, not a time. But if you're gonna warn something like that, it's probably going to be about the place. You can host the best backyard barbecue.

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So obviously he did not heed that warning if that's what it was. He definitely went there. Yeah. So obviously he did not heed that warning. If that's what it was, he definitely went there. So everything was pretty good for a while. This group took a lot of pictures. They kept a ton of journals and they were following a specific monsy trail that was set out for them. So this was a trail that was already set out. The last diary entries from all of them were like super happy, super carefree. They talked about the weather, but they were just like the weather sucks here because it's in Siberia. But you know, it was just that's it.

It was all about the weather and the trail conditions being kind of tough. But other than that, they were like, we're having fun. Everything's great. We're Russian. And they even created their own newspaper, which is adorable, called the evening or Torton. I love that.

What is terrifying about this is one of the last things the headline was, from now on, we know that the snowmen exist. So, Um, so hate the word that comes to mind is a ominous because that could either be super adorable and like we, snowman, fun, Siberia, or it could be there's fucking angry Yeti here and we know they exist now. So we've just begun. Yeah, and after you hear everything that happened to them, that's going to sound a hell of a lot more ominous. So if you have a delightful like whimsical, you know, image in your head right now, keep it in mind for a little while, but it's it's gonna leave. So February 1st is when they made the decision to set up camp. They ended up setting up camp on the bottom of the mountain slope, on the flanks of a mountain called Dead Mountain, or

Mountain of the Dead. So there's a lot of coincidence happening here. There's just a lot of things working against having a fun time. I feel. You know, the whole don't go there. Dead Mountain. Snowmen exists. Was it called Stop Back Men or People Doing It? It was. No. This is like translated from, you know, back butt. The first one is translated from the Monzy language, and then this one was called Dead Mountain. Wow. So, so solid choice to set up a camp there, solid choice guys.

So I looked up some information on like where they set up camp because I don't I know shit all about camping and hiking and all that. No. Especially on a mountain. I don't know where to put a tent. I'd put a tent anywhere. I don't even glam. Yeah. I would I do nothing of the sorts. So apparently the slope of a mountain is a really bad idea to set up camp. Well, that does make sense. It does make sense. Because you think about it. There's the remote possibility of

avalanche. And specifically in the Siberian wilderness they're pretty common. Yeah, although this is I guess this place isn't especially prone to avalanches. Right, I remember that. That would have been like a very long time. But also like this thing that sucks about the slope is that cold air will settle at the lowest point. Like in valleys and such which are bad ideas. So in the slope, you're getting all the really cold air. Right. It's all shooting down there. And it's an average of negative six degrees in January here.

And that's during the day. So at night, it's going to drop to like negative 20 and stuff like that. So that was already kind of an odd choice. And especially since dialatov was such an experienced hiker, and all these people were such experienced hikers, they kind of wondered why that would happen. Later, Yuri said that maybe either he didn't want

to lose the progress they had already made by going back down to the tree line, which was I think a mile away. Or he just wanted to try it. Or he wanted to try it out. Yeah, like he just kind of wanted to test and experience it and see how he would fair, which was bad, you know, spoiler alert. But, um, so, it was on February 12th that this group was supposed to make contact with

Yuri again, and they were supposed to kind of like update everybody with you then again. That's what they told him at least. They did not make contact with him. So by February 20th, that's when family members and friends started getting nervous because they were willing to let a few days go pass. The day they were supposed to hear from them because obviously with trips like this, you're not gonna be right on schedule. Yeah, exactly. So it wasn't until February 26th, is when the camp was finally found by search and rescuers. Basically it month afterwards.

Yeah, and it was by like volunteer searchers and also the military got involved, like they brought in helicopters and all that. Well, so the things that were found are very bizarre. They're very bizarre. So the first thing that was found was in the campsite. They found the tents that they were sleeping in and they were shredded apart from the inside.

Yes. That is so unsettling. So these people were frantic to get out of these tents. Right. They didn't unzip the tents and they didn't do anything right. They shredded them from the inside to get out. So like what the hell came that quick and that scary that they had to get the hell out of there so fast. I don't want to know. I don't even know.

So all of them ran out of the tents towards, first of all, it looked like all of their footprints went in different directions. So they were kind of, and all of them were either barefoot or just a sock. wearing socks, and I think only one of them had one shoe on. Which it was, by this point, in the middle of the night, it would have been negative 24 degrees out. Oh my god. Again, experienced survivalists,

hikers, all that good stuff, they would know that that is completely ridiculous to do in a negative 24 degree weather. So something had to have literally... Carefully... Carefully... ...the right image. ...the right image. Carefully... ...the right image.

...the right image. ...the right image. Carefully... ...the right image. ...the right image. ...the right image something had to have been happening right now where they had to make the decision to just get out of there. We either put on shoes and we die here or we run and we try to make it. It's insane. So, um, over it was over one mile away from the tent, then the first two bodies were found. These two bodies ended up belonging to... I'm just going go by their last names right now, from now on. This is belonging to Doroshenko and Krivenenshinko.

They were found lying perfectly side by side and wearing only their underwear. Weird. No shoes. Nothing else. That's insane I Don't even know why they would be just in their underwear at any point during They were found under a tree. I believe it was a cedar tree They were found under a tree. I believe it was a cedar tree.

Um, in branches very high up in the tree, like 15 feet up, were broken. Like all cramped up. Like they climbed up the tree. And you could say like maybe they got broken by elements or whatever, but, but investigators also found traces of skin, human skin and blood left in the bark, leading to those broken ranches. So they basically it seems like they were frantically crawling up this tree trying to climb the tree. Get away from

something. And their hands were like bloody messes like they were trying to frantic, you know, clearly they left some of them in the bark. So they were really trying to get up this tree as fast as I could. It looks like there was a remains of a fire, which is even weirder because they're frantically trying to get up this tree, they're running away in their underwear, and they make a fire. So that's weird. So that's weird. Doran Shanko was found with burns on the side of his head. His ears, nose, and lips were covered in blood. He had multiple abrasions and bruises on his arms and legs and torso.

And there was also a foamy gray discharge that seemed to come from his mouth and was left on his cheek. And you would think like maybe that's just like, you know, a future faction like after death. But doctors later said that this could be the result of something causing great pressure on his chest and causing that discharge to come up. Kriven and Shanko had bruises on his forehead and his left temporal bone.

Bruises on his chest, legs and hands. He had pieces of skin that had ripped off the tops of his hands and pieces of his, the skin that, the epidermis that was on top of his hands were found inside his mouth. Yeah, I have nothing. I don't even know what to say about it. I just can't imagine being one of the investigators for the things thing. You're trying to figure out what the hell's going on. It doesn't make any sense. Well, and it sounds like they kind of tried to cover some stuff up, which we'll talk about later.

But yeah, Kriven and Shay go also had a burn on his left leg. Huh. So weird. And it's like so did they just sit in their underwear by the fire after they tried to get up a tree. Did they try to get a tree afterwards? Did they stick their heads in the fire to get burned? Did they play patty cake with the fire burn their hands? I don't understand what. No. So that's a whole bunch of craziness. A little bit away from these two bodies, they found three more bodies including dilatlaw, coma, gor more bodies, including dialythlov, calma, gorovah, and slowbiden.

Are these the ones that were all basically almost exactly 200 meters apart? Yeah, they were very close. They were very, like, you know, at really specific counts. Yeah. They were found, like, they were going towards the campsite. Like, they were running back towards the campsite. I think it's, I think there were distances of 380 and 630 meters from the cedar tree, like in between the campsite. It just seems like a sea of sea.

Yeah, very specific and very weird. So it looked like they felt dead as they were trying to run back to the campsite. Dialatlov, Igor the leader, was found face up. He was obviously frozen with weather and rigor and he was clutching a birch branch in his hand and his other arm was shielding his face from something. And it was frozen like that. So he was holding a birch branch, like he was bending something on.

He was also found with a photo of Kalma Grova because they were dating. I'm not okay. I'm not fucking okay. I know. They were dating. He had a picture of her on his person. So it's like, did he have a close-up?

Did he have a close-up? Did he have a close-up? Did he have the tent and grab. I don't know if he had actually closed. He did have clothes on. Did you run out of the tent and make sure how I wonder? Or if it was just in his pocket, but I think they had some clothes on. Just the fact that he had oiled him. I'm done. I know, right? He had no internal injuries at all. He had no internal injuries at all and his cause of death was hypothermia The the next person who was found in that you know that the whole thing of three people was a rustum Slobodan he had some of the weirdest injuries. Okay. Yeah He was a yeah, he's got some weird one. They said he was lying face down in the snow

He had bloody discharge from his nose, swelling, and weird bruises and abrasions on the right side of his face. There was more abrasions on the left side of his face. His skin was ripped off his right forearm. He had bruises on the joints of both hands, which seems to indicate that he was literally fighting someone with his hands. He had a fracture of the frontal bone of his skull that was really deep and nearly seven inches long. Oh my gosh. He also had hemorrhages in his temporalis muscles, which could have been due to a blunt

forestrung. In the autopsy states that it probably once he was hit with whatever he was hit with in this way, where this hemorrhage began, he probably immediately suffered loss of coordination. Like right after this trauma happened, which could have definitely sped up his death due to hypothermia, because he wouldn't have been able to get himself together to fight off the hypothermia, basically. So those were weird. The last one that that group of three was Zanada Kulma-Grov, who was the one whose picture was found with Igor. She was the farthest body from the rest of the

group, and she was found to blood around her body, but it wasn't determined if it actually came from her or if it was from someone else. Her cause of death was hypothermia due to a violent accident. Oh. That's what it stated. So she froze to death because of a violent accident? Yeah, I guess. That's what we saw. There wasn't a lot for hers.

But what is a real bummer is is after all of these people were found, they had to wait until the mountain began to thaw in the spring to find the rest of them. Yeah, it took them until May. May 4th. They had fun. So it was almost two full months after. Yeah, so that's rough. So the last four people, the last four group members, were instructor Alexander Zola Tarov, engineer Nikolai Thibido Brignol, and students Alexander Kolovatov, and Ludmilla Dubinina. I think I said it right. I can't apologize. I'm really giving it my all.

They were found in kind of like a gully downslope from the tree with the other one. The first two were found. These injuries get super warm. This is where it gets really weird. We're a week stomach. Just fast forward 25 minutes. Yes. And the four of these people their deaths were not due to hypothermia. No They were also these four were found to be wearing they were very clothed Right, and so they were wearing each other's Yes, and they were definitely found to be wearing other skis that hikers clothes They could have even taken clothing off of the dead right which could explain with some of the other one on his dress. That's right. So, you think?

These four had taken so much precaution that they'd actually dug themselves into the ground to stave off the cold. The cold. I said, cold. The cold. They'd actually dug themselves into the ground to stave off the cold, which is like a survival tactic because of the warmer inside there. the stave off the colds, which is like a survival tactic, because the warmer inside there.

It's awesome. And they had actually placed branches from the cedar tree around themselves in those ditches to, you know, keep content, like, to not have contact with the walls of the snowy walls. It's interesting that they have time to do that. Yeah, exactly. It's like, so basically they were trying

to minimize their contact with the snow with these branches and it also appeared that they had started a fire for at least a small period of time. Another fire. Another fire. So that takes time. Yeah and it also kind of shows that they do that in a panic. Yeah and it and this can't be one singular event it feels like because These people are having different experiences and different time frames and they're dying at different times in in different ways So it's like I don't know the it well the um the autopsy report was done by dr. Boris this one's a doozy

Vazra's Denny This one's a doozy. Vazroz, Denny. And he stated that all the four of these people, their internal injuries were similar to that, like Ash said, of someone who had been in a car crash. And it required that much force to cause the injuries. Well, they did have like much external damage. Exactly.

Or not damage, but like... Yeah, they didn't have a lot of soft tissue damage. Exactly. Not damage, but like... Yeah, they didn't have a soft, a lot of soft tissue damage. Like, you know, like the other people kind of had some weird stuff. A lot of these people didn't even have any like a lot of bruising. So these ones, let's start with Zola Tarev. He had crushed ribs in a legitimately crushed in chest. Like everything in his chest was broken. Oh my gosh. Massive internal damage.

No soft tissue damage or brooding, but like I say, massive internal damage. How do you have that much internal damage without a soft tissue damage? Exactly. That's why its so bizarre. Because it's not even bruising. Well, in Zulatarov was also missing his That's why it's so bizarre because it's not even bruising. Well, Enzolatarov was also missing his eyes. Like they weren't there. Like he had no eyes.

Like you have two eyes. He had zero eyes. Yeah. He also had five broken ribs on either side of his body. He had an open wound on the side of his head with exposed bone. And it looks like on the autopsy report it says both Zola Tarev and Dubanina have an interesting pattern of injuries. They are very similar

in direction and force despite differences, shape, height and body composition of the two. This would suggest that whatever caused these injuries was not a single uniform event, like an avalanche. I was at home, so I was like straight up stoked. We're just, we're stumping everybody. He also, weirdly enough, was found with a camera strung around his neck and they never released the photos from that camera. And why did he grab his camera? They ran out of those tents. They didn't even take clothes some of them. They didn't take knives. They didn't take anything. Took his camera.

And he took his camera. And it turns out that the camera that he had around his neck, Yuri Yudin, the guy that survived this whole thing, said that camera he had never seen it. So they had a few cameras on this trip that they were taking pictures with. And Yuri said that camera was a Was a hidden camera like he was like he had that camera and I've never seen this is like a photo camera Yeah, like I like well, it's 59 So he's basically saying there was a lot of cameras on this trip. I've never seen that one

I don't like and that like guy, Zola Tarev, like was might have been hiding this camera. Why? Exactly. There's just a lot of questions. Please keep going. So investigators claim that the film got damaged in water. It didn't. But I-

I think it has some- I think that camera has some pictures on it. That might explain what's going on. Oh, man. And again, we're gonna get into theories later. Yeah, about this. We're gonna lay them all out for you. We'll discuss which ones we think are more likely.

I mean, yes. But like, we're gonna go back to this camera. Actually, part of me doesn't want answers I know we might not want the answers that are the truth here because I think they're scarier than what we can come up with so Dubinina was found now she by far has the most insane entries she was found with her head tilted back and her mouth open wide like she was screaming.

And I've seen pictures because you can go online and you can see all the pictures from the thing. Guess who didn't do that? Raise your hand. Me. Elena did do that. No, because I always do that. Thank you. Not interested. See you later. They're pretty fascinating though. Yeah, I'm sure, but I'm not that well. In the the picture of Dubinina is exactly how I described it it literally looks like she's screaming. It's pretty scary. Yeah so so you looked at a photo of her eyelace. Yeah but she was frostbitten and frozen so it's a little different it's not like a fresh. Yeah still sounds horrible. Yeah it's awful. It's not a hot wasn't technician and I care. Exactly.

I've seen I've seen much worse. I's awful. Exactly. I've seen much worse. I've seen much worse than this. So, Dubinina was also... Now, this is the clothing she was found wearing compared to everybody else. She was found wearing a short sleeve shirt, a long sleeve shirt, two sweaters, underwear, long socks, two pairs of pants, and the outer pants were burnt by fire. And she had had on, and two pairs of socks. She also had cut up a sweater and used it to wrap around her feet as well.

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Yeah. And some of them were burned again. So why is everybody getting burned? So it's weird. Well, I wonder if she took those from other people. Yeah, maybe those were, those might have been the ones that were on the first two Right that had the fire going. I mean who knows because they had some burn injuries her her injuries were the worst and definitely most bizarre though. They there was some soft tissue missing

But that can be attributed to frostbite. Okay, so we do have to keep that in mind she but that can be attributed to frostbite. Okay. So we do have to keep that in mind. She had soft tissue damage around her eyes, her eyebrows, for left temporal area, where the, and there was bone exposed in that area. She was also missing her tongue, which it is stated in several places that I found that it, it looked like it had been torn out from the root Where's the root of your tongue?

We looked like it had literally been yanked out of her mouse like torn out. I Yes, I got you know One might want to immediately say maybe an animal ate it Now one might want to immediately say maybe an animal ate it, but one, why would she be the only one whose tongue was eaten by an animal? And two, these people were found under like 12 feet of snow. Right. So no animal was getting to us. Yeah.

And she was missing her eyes. Her nose was completely busted. It was broken and completely flattened. Four ribs were broken on her right side and six were broken on her left side. Her upper lip was gone and her upper teeth and jaw were exposed. Like horror movie style. Yeah. She had a massive hemorrhage in her heart's right atrium, a huge bruise on her left thigh and this is even weirder. This is gonna

blow your face off. Her stomach had about a hundred grams of coagulated blood in it which indicates that her blood was flowing and her heart was pumping when her tongue was ripped out of her mouth. I don't want to know any of that. Which means she was alive when her tongue was removed. No, no, it was good bye. So regardless of how it was removed, she was alive when it happened. Oh my God. Yeah.

Her official cause of death, it's awful, it's awful. And the official cause of death for her was the heart hemorrhage because it was massive. In their family's, in the interlageries. If that happened to your family member. No. And you just never have any answer. No. I can't even bother. Oh, that makes me feel so sorry and like my heart hurts. It's literally, it's, I mean, this is like horror.

Like horror has been worse for them to die. Like this is true horror. So that was Dubinina. like horror, like horror has been worse for them to die. Like this is true horror. So that was Dubinina and Colovatov had a broken nose and a deformed neck, but his autopsy report doesn't share a lot more. And it might have been that he possibly was more decomposed than the other ones. So when they found them, so maybe they were a lot to go off.

Brignolelle had multiple fractures to his temporal bone in his skull. A big bruise on his upper lip and a hemorrhage of the lower forearm. The doctor ruled out an accidental fall in like a rock or something for that break because it was such a massive and really weird fracture they said. It just didn't make sense to that he like fell or something and broke it. Right. So that's weird. All of those last four bodies, it seemed like their chests had been crushed with immense pressure. Okay. One of the things that a lot of people like to go to with like all these weird people being in their underwear negative 24 degree weather is called paradoxical undressing. It's like a phenomenon that only happens in like I think like 20% of

hypothermia cases where like your body starts tricking. It's self-independent. So you start like frantically getting your taking your clothes off but it's really just you're going to nightmare. Yeah. But that doesn't make sense because while you're still for all those astronomical scenes. Exactly and it doesn't it doesn't explain the injuries and it doesn't explain why they ran out of the tents in the first place. So so we can check that off but a lot of people bring it up. out of the tents in the first place. So we can check that off, but a lot of people bring it up.

The known, some of the known cameras in the group, they were able to get photos off of. There's a lot of photos of the group like hike on the way up here, and there was one from February second right before they set up camp, and everybody's happy, and everything looks normal. So there's nothing weird were to see there. Yuri Yudin, the survivor, he testified that Alexander Kolovatov kept an avid personal diary and that it was with him the whole time and that he remembers it being with him when he left that village like he had it. That diary has never been found. Why? And there was also a camera that one missing too. I mean it could be buried under crazy on the cell. It's true.

But it's weird that those things because you would think those those things would be in the campsite. Right. So they would nowhere to find. Even the campsite or on the campsite. And that campsite they were able to get to and they were able to search it. So the fact that those two things aren't there seems like they were taken from there. Of course. For a reason. And the fact that this is like a personal diary and a camera that could have a lot of information that maybe it I don't know a Soviet government might not want people to know about. Okay we can get to that theory but why would the Soviet government might not want people to know about? Okay, we can get to that theory, but why would the Soviet government really go that hard and like crush people at torture style? Well, if they were, I mean, we're going to get into this theory in a couple of

minutes, but if they're doing, I mean, there's like a lot of, you know, nuclear testing and stuff. If they were, maybe these people stumbled into an area that they were doing some kind of weird-ass weapons testing and they got in the middle of it and maybe they had started seeing weird shit leading up to this and the government doesn't want people to know about it it can be totally classified information. Like that much horrible things to that. Well these these weapons that they're testing are meant to destroy.

Do you think they were testing the weapons on them? They could. I mean who knows? That's one of the theories and that's one of the really scary theories. Yeah. And in fact later at the people's funerals, it was mentioned by some witnesses that the bodies appeared to have a weird deep orange tan. Yeah. And their hair. Their hair looked gray like it had no pigment. Again, those are people saying things, so maybe it's not. This could be your say. But it's still weird. And to further this whole theory, some of the articles of clothing found with the bodies

contained high levels of radiation. Yeah. found with the bodies contained high levels of radiation. Yeah. In particular, Yuri Krivenenschenko had very high levels of radiation on his clothes when they tested him. Now, Yuri Krivenenschenko was once working in, it's called Shelyabinsk-Vordy, which is a secret nuclear plutonium plant that experienced the disaster on September 29th, 1957. Basically, it was a radioactive leak.

This incident became known as the Khrush-Tumkoy incident. Khriven and Shanko was among some of the people that were sent to clean this up. Oh. He was an engineer though. So Yuri wouldn't, he would know enough to not keep those clothes from that day. And you certainly probably wouldn't be wearing them like two years later without washing them or anything. Like so that is a thing that's weird, but it just doesn't make sense to why his would have reacted that high.

Uh-huh. And on another note, why the fuck did they test them for radiation in the first place? Oh, that's not something that just pops up. You have to be tested for it. Like, we'll think about it. If you found some dead people on the woods, are the investigators going to test them for radiation? Especially not in That's literally never something that would come up in a right from the beginning of an investigation.

They would never, like a radiation does not come up as a thing like let's just test them just, let's just see. Like they have to have tested them because they knew something. But they never said that they knew. Of course they were tested for it. Oh, young ash. I'm young. The government does a lot of shit that they knew. Of course they never said that. Oh, young Ash. I'm young. The government does a lot of shit that they don't want you to know about. I know it scares me.

You're gonna learn a lot during this podcast about your own. We'll go into some shit. I'm gonna become like, uh, I don't know. Yeah, so. I thought it was a hippie. No, it's gonna get weird. gonna get weird is going freaky well More. Oh, yeah, so I feel like I'm you guys right now that are listening and I feel like I'm just like experiencing this for the first time Yeah, I thought I did did some research, but I guess I didn't so let's

Wikipedia let me just tell you has it has the basic amount of basic. The basic. It's the basicest amount of basics for you and your fear of viewing pleasure. I go hard. No one at you. So, alright, let's talk about some of the theories here. Now that we have all the information. Oh man.

So one of the theories... We'll just go with the, you know, one that's gonna make people be like, come on, but then at the end of it, you're gonna be like, hmm, maybe. Maybe. No, we'll get to that one. The first one we're gonna go to is aliens or extraterrestrials. Maybe. So now, let's see, on March 31st, so right after this whole thing was happening a

group of rescue this was like between when they found the first set and when they found the second set there was people searching through them so on March 31st a group of rescue and search volunteers saw glowing pulsating orbs in the sky. One of these search and rescue people named Valentin Yakamenko said, and I quote, it happened early in the morning while it was still dark. Victor, Meshur Karav, who stood guard that night, left the tent and saw a large glowing sphere in the sky. He woke everyone up. He watched this orb or disc for about 20 minutes until it disappeared behind the mountain.

We saw it in the southeast direction from our tent. It was moving in a northern direction. This event freaked everyone out. We were sure that this event was somehow involved in the death of the dilatolov group. I'm not okay. So I said it once, I'll say it probably 500 more times dialogue group. I'm not okay. So at once I'll say it probably 500 more times during this I'm not okay. So that's weird and it turns out that these pulsating orbs were seen in January, February and March by students, geologists, natives, and even local military.

Even Monsey Hunters in the area saw them too, and reported them. And in early April, several testimonies were taken from local soldiers who said that they thought they saw at UFOs on February 17th, around 6.40 a.m. and they all describe them as the same thing, slow pulsating moving orbs that were moving from south to north in a weird like cloud of dust or fog. The guy who is in charge of the investigation

named Lev Ivanov actually gave an interview in the early 90s where he told this reporter that during the investigation he and EP Maslinakov, who I don't know he must have been part of the investigation as well, but he named him, he said both notice that the pines in the forest and this area were burned on the top. What? Yeah. So he claims, he also claims, that the member of the Soviet Congress, along with his advisor forced him to take out all the references of any kind of UFO or weird, strange shit. Do you think that the government there

is friends with the aliens, or has some kind of agreement with them? No, I think that they're like our government and they cover this shit up because they don't want us to know about it. This is exactly what our government does too. The government knows way more than what they tell us. Are they going to listen to our podcast or then fuck with us? Please don't. I don't want it.

I'm just a sweet hairdresser. You are. She's just saying all the information. It's her exactly. I'm just passing it on so Actually, Monsey Hunters had actually even drawn pictures of these flying spheres and they they made them take them all out It's so this guy was suspected he was believed to say in a quote I suspected at the time and an I'm almost sure now that these bright flying spheres had a direct connection to this group stuff.

It makes sense. So that's weird. It's that there's some things in there that are at least weird to consider. So another theory is that there was a military or government experiment that went tragically around. Now this one I need you to explain to me because in my head it just doesn't make sense. So I'm so naive. The Soviet government could have been testing some kind of classified weapons. So there were people there testing the weapons. This is what you're telling me well, there's an entire you know

like branch of people that are that test these weapons, but there were humans there. Yes, we have not in in 59 We had not advanced to using AI My god Artificial intelligence here. Yeah. So I have none of that. So Yuri Yudin is actually a supporter of this theory. He thinks that this is what happened. Okay. He's the Serrat. Yes. Okay. So he thinks that the group may be stumbled on some kind of crazy covert testing ground, like accidentally, like this wasn't planned, and that they were basically dispatched by the government as a result of this, because they had sent a lot of this to the state.

So you were quote unquote taken care of essentially is what you're telling me. They think this because this is why, because the investigation was very hurried and it was very secretive. Even now, the Soviet government doesn't want you asking about this. And they don't want you digging into it. They just... They closed the mountain for three years, exactly. Three years, exactly.

And it's like, why? I have the chills. So this could be explained by some weird things. Why would they rip her tongue out? That you didn't saw. What did you didn't see? So, you didn't claim to see, at least from what I saw. I think I might cry. She's still a lot of people. You're very overwhelmed by this. I hope everybody fills this way. I hope you guys do. So you didn was used to identify some of the items that they found. Okay. Since he was with these people,

he knew what was going on. So, you didn't saw amongst their items, a torn piece of fabric that resembled something that looks like it could have come from a soldier's coat. Okay. That he said did not. A long time. He also found a pair of glasses in skis that didn't belong to not there. He also found a pair of glasses and skis

that didn't belong to anyone there. Okay, that's weird. That's really fucking weird. So there was also testimony from Udyn that he saw documents that said that the investigation actually began two weeks before the official discovery of the camp. So that would indicate that the camp was found

two weeks before they quote unquote found it. Or even further, that the investigation began two weeks before the camp was quote unquote found. Right. So if that's the case, then the government was really clean. Yeah, so there's something where maybe they were testing some kind of like infrasound experimental weapon. An infrasound experimental weapons would be like using sounds that are on such crazy frequencies that they cause they cause havoc in the human body Okay, and these kind of infrasound weapons would cause like feelings and this is like they've done experiments on people with these and people can like this They start to feel crazy. Well, and people report feeling like an immense feeling of dread or panic and

are feeling like an immense feeling of dread or panic. And like they can sometimes feel like they're being attacked by like paranormal things or like. That's why they clawed the inside out. And it also causes sickness because it like messes with the year inner ear. And once you fuck with your inner ear, it throws your head in your whole body. So this would cause dread panic,

paranoia, and, and violence. And full on sickness. Yeah. So that's something. So that's something to think about. That's a good theory, I think. I mean, that's one of the ones that I really think stands. Yeah. The test of time.

So another theory is that the local Monzi tribe had followed and attacked this group for what they saw as trespassing on the sacred. I don't like to think that. This one doesn't hold up. It's very unlikely because the land they were on was not considered sacred by the Monzi tribe. It was their land but they didn't consider it sacred and they were using a Monzi trail that was set out for them. And multiple people had hyped like around air before right? Yeah and not the same trail but around. So some researchers say that maybe Soviets had attempted to hide any evidence of this if that's what did happen like if the Monzi's attack them. And that would have been

because they didn't want to start like a war with the monzy tribe kind of thing because basically they wanted to in the future exploit the oil rich soil that exists on the monzy tribes land. Wow. So but again that doesn't seem a little far-fetched because these people the Monzi's Assisted in the search and rescue like they actually helped with it. Okay, so that one's unlikely so we'll scratch it off The other one that a lot of people go back to is the avalanche But I don't think that makes sense Avalanche doesn't make a lot of sense. Avalanche's don't rip your fucking eyes out. No, they don't think that makes sense. Avalanche doesn't make a lot of sense. Avalanche's don't rip your fucking eyes out. No, they don't.

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they were moving fine. And again, with a crush chest and broken ribs, you're not tramsing through snow. It's just not going to happen. And another weird thing with this is there's a picture of the camp before this whatever unknown event occurred. And there's a ski pole that's sitting in a position, like stuck in the snow, in a vertical position, afterwards that same ski pole is in the same position and has a move. So if an avalanche came, it would have knocked the ski pole then.

Of course. And also the members of the group died at different times. Yeah. She doesn't make an avalanche likely. Like they made camps in different areas. Yeah. It just doesn't make an avalanche likely. But they made camps in different areas and they tried to, it just doesn't make any sense. So I say no to avalanche. Scratch off.

Another one is, I think this might be the last one actually, that I have. Is the Yeti theory. I feel like it would have had to be multiple Yetis. Well, that's snowman comment. Oh, fuck off. Now we know the snowman are real. That also falls into the military ones.

It kind of does, yeah. Like, maybe they were hiding the fact that the yeties exist. No, I'm saying like, maybe they were calling like the military people that they stumbled across. The snowman? Maybe. Far-fetched. It's a thing. I don't't know I think it makes sense I like it I could get I could get behind that snowman exists as a good band-in but I also would wonder why they would use a code word for it if they were trying to warn people

like when they just be like now we know that the corrupt government exists. Because that is way too obvious. But like, then they're leaving it up to us to decipher. Well, what did the articles say? I don't know what they are. Well, that's the thing. The article didn't contain any information about what exactly the summoner or anything. Oh, man. So who knows? Mommy.

Not any. Well, the Moncy do believe in something called a Mank or Mankvy, which are basically like super angry yeti. And they're super aggressive, super violent beasts that they believe live in the Ural Mounds. Okay. So that is part of their like lore, you know. Yeah.

The monstrosy searchers that were part of this were, by all accounts, noticeably like very upset and like nervous finding these people in the conditions of their bodies, like freaks of their own. Well they are always scared. That's their whole too. Well they immediately attributed it to these, you know, mincees, that they believe in, because they also had believed that mincees

had killed a group of caribou or reindeer that were belonging to their tribe, like weeks before this. Oh. So they had already had something happen that they were like, do you think these are the yetis? And then all of a sudden, all these, you know, you know, I'm not going to rush ends are, you know,

demolished on a mountain. So it's not so crazy. I don't believe in Bigfoot. And what's weird is there was something that came out that like, referenced Yadis and so the American embassy in Nepal sent a document to the Department of State in Washington and it was entitled so this is like a government thing. It was entitled regulations covering mountain climbing expeditions in Nepal relating to Yeti. Okay, so that's the they kind of acknowledge that that's something. Right. And it contained three regulations that climbers must abide by. Should they encounter

it Yeti? Well, what are the regulations? Do you know? I don't know. I couldn't find it. That's okay. But the date on this document was December 20th, 1959. So it was a couple years after this happened that this regulation came out. Like, oh, just in case you fucking come across a Yeti, be prepared. Like, no one's ever going to be fucking prepared to come across a fucking Yeti. I never want to come across one and I also don't want to be prepared to come across one. I mean, personally, I never want to hike. I don't even like to have nails to yeah I don't think I'll stumble across this problem yeah I'm not gonna be you know poking my head in the Siberia anytime soon I don't even want to hike a hill

no I don't want to go into the car I'm definitely not gonna go on a mountain but interestingly enough in February second in. So not too long ago. An investigative conference was organized by Ural State Technical University and the Dietz Love Foundation in Yakon Terrenberg, Russia. So I'm like that. Yakon Terrenberg.

I'm just going to tell you.uckin Terranburg. Right, over time. I'm just gonna tell you. Yuckin Terranburg. This was run by six surviving members of the search party, the original search party, and 31 technical experts, and they basically went back and looked at all the evidence and they just like researched the whole of this. They concluded that the deaths were likely the unintended result of a secret military test. Fuck! Yes. Well, I wouldn't even want to come to that conclusion if I was like on that board.

I'd be like, actually, I'm leaving. It's a dangerous conclusion to come to. The most dangerous. Especially in Russia, man. Nope. I don't want to go anywhere in here. No, no, thank you. People can go anywhere in here. No, no thank you. Uh, people can trick up there today.

No thank you. You can take a little hike through Diat love pass. One, two, three, not it. But people are encouraged to not do it in groups of nine. Why? I don't know why. I think that's just a random thing they came up with.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't happen. Yeah, they just really, you know what? Just don't do it. They don't do it. They're like doing an 8 or 10. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they don't like odd numbers. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, I don't know. Fuck you. That was a heavy one. Yeah, that's Tia's love past.

I'll be down here because I've got to go home somehow figure out how to sleep. Yeah, I think we're done here. I'm thinking it's gonna be disturbed. So you know, sweet dreams of Siberia. The thanks. And losing your tongue on a mountainside. Oh, from the root. From the root. Bye. While you're alive. Fudge! Yeah. So unfortunately, nobody, you know, we don't have an actual Closure to this we don't really know so I feel like this is gonna be debated forever. I feel no sense of relief whatsoever I feel like we're just leaving everybody with them. I can't hear a feeling of a real conclusion And now I feel

like I'll never be the same. That's my job Is it? It's to make people feel like they'll never be the same. Does it pay well? It doesn't, but it makes me feel good inside. You're so weird. You're a real weirdo. I'm a real weirdo. Listen to the second episode. Bring it back. Yeah. So, come to to your own conclusions friends. I Think it could be either aliens or a military test gone bad post on our Facebook page what you think it is Yeah, definitely I want to see you guys like what you have to say

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