Morbid - Episode 308: The Case of the Butterfly Man

Episode Date: March 22, 2022

Alaina brings us the news of her first novel (Ash is so fucking proud) The Butcher and the Wren(available to pre-order now!!!!) and also brings us the case of The Butterfly Man. Frank Lockhart was known around town as a pretty normal dude who tried to sell handmade butterfly hair clips to make some extra cash. He and his wife had fallen on hard times and were living in a shelter under an overpass. Little did the sweet townspeople know, this man had escaped prison where he was serving a life sentence for assaulting a young girl and would soon strike again.  **********Pre-Order The Butcher and the Wren here!!!! ************* As always, thank you to our sponsors: American Home Shield: Right now, MORBID listeners can take $50 off their most comprehensive plans ever. Go to ahs.com/MORBID now to SAVE $50. Thrive: Join today to get 40% off your first order AND a FREE gift worth over $50 at ThriveMarket.com/MORBID Firstleaf: Join today and you’ll get 6 bottles of wine for $29.95 and free shipping! Just go to TRYFirstleaf.com/MORBID BetterHelp: This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp and Morbid listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/morbid Liquid IV: You can get 25% off when you go to LIQUIDIV.COM and use code MORBID at checkout See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Alena, I'm Ash Elena, some mother fucking news. Guys, this is the most exciting intro I've ever done to this podcast, but I got a book coming out. It's all happening. Yeah, I wrote a book. It's called The Butcher and the Ren. And it is going to be published by Zando Publishing, who is my savior, the love of my life for picking it up.

Green Publishing House. It is coming out September 13th, 2022 this year, so only in a few months. But what's really exciting right now is you can pre-order it. Oh, right now. I know, because I just pre-ordered five. No, like I really did. I really you can pre-order it. Oh my god. Right now. I know because I just pre-ordered five. No, like I really did.

I really did. No, I did. She was like, I would like 65 of them. If your sister writes a book, you pre-order 100, but I'm making my way downtown. I love you. I love you. But you can pre-order this book.

So I'm really excited about it. It's exactly what you would expect from me. It's set in Louisiana, mainly in New Orleans, because you know how I feel about New Orleans. We do. We love a Louisiana setting. And so it's about a serial killer. It's got a female medical examiner named Ren.

Don't know if you got that. And I'm really excited about it. It's exactly what I've wanted to write forever. It's horror, it's psychological thriller. There's like a little tiny bit of comedy sprinkled in there kind of like my life, your gal is humor. Exactly. It's in there, but I'm very excited about it.

I think you guys are gonna love it. And I know you guys are gonna eat it. I think it's right up your alley. It's right are gonna eat it. I think it's right up your alley. It's right up my alley. So I know it's right up your alley because we're all one, all of us. So I had you guys in mind a lot of the time writing it. I was like, you know what, I feel like they're gonna love this.

I feel like they would dig this. So if you wanna pre-order it, which please pre-order it, cause I've worked for like five years on it. You have to. It's been a labor of love for literally five, like my entire twins' lives. I've been working on this. But you can go pre-order it right now

at tinyurl.com slash the butcher and the ren. And that is ren-W-R-E-N. Yes. I'm gonna link it in the show notes. I don't know if you've seen any more announcements on social media and stuff, but the link will all be there too. But I am so excited guys, this is like a huge dream come true to become an author. Boys, this turns it all over.

It's so weird to even say it out loud, but it's been a long time, a lot of work. Hopefully, there'll be more after this, because I got more in me. There will. I got more in me. They're all up in here. She's literally already started. I haven't already started running for it, but I love it. I'm excited about it. I'm proud of it. And I hope that you guys dig it, but go pre-order if you will. If you will, do me that solid. I would appreciate it. tinyurl.com slash the butcher in the rent. That's rent WREN. And if you're feeling so inclined, preorder 5.

Yeah, there you go, preorder 5. Why not? Be like me. And the first 100 people who preorder are going to get assigned poster. Does that cover? Five signed posters. So there you go, you're going to get five.

That's good. No, we'll save them for you guys. But of course. Yeah, so there's a fun incentive to do it No, we'll save them for you guys. But, of course. Yeah, so there's a fun incentive to do it. And we'll do some fun things throughout the rest of the few months before it becomes officially able to be held in my hands and your hands. And we'll let you know as soon as that is coming and keep you like completely

up to date on everything with it. But hopefully this is just a really awesome beginning to it. I can't wait for you all to read it. I can't wait to hear what you think of it. I can't wait to smell it. I am so excited to smell it. I want to crack those pages open. Oh yeah.

You take a big whiff. Take a big ol' whiff. I'm so proud of you. I'm very excited about it. And everybody's been super amazing, super helpful in getting this going. And not only like, you know, Zando, who just, they got it. That was the best part when they got it.

And I was like, you know what, you're my people. Yeah, that's home. But there's been like people in the, you know, in the true crime podcast world that have been like huge helps. Ash has read me out loud. Several drafts of this, of these pages. Four years. For years. For years.

I've been reading just like random parrot. I haven't read the book in that's entirety because I've always wanted to hold it as a book. But I have read like PDFs of this book for the past five years. Because I needed to hear it out loud to make it because in my head I know what I want to say. But when you hear it out loud, you're like,

oh, that doesn't sound good. When you hear how somebody else is going for exactly. And guess what? I've done that for the past five years and haven't gotten sick of it once. Yay. So love to hear it. And you know what, and John, John has been,

I like, he'll randomly just be like, go right. If I'm suddenly like, oh, I just got this idea, he's like, get out there. Bye. See you later. He's amazing. He's also been someone that I can be like, hey, is this too much?

Like, does this make sense? And he's like, nope, it's not. It makes total set, like go for, he's like so encouraging about it. So again, thank you guys for like, you know, because you guys like, make gave me a little bit of the confidence to finish it. Yeah, because I was like, you know what?

Like I have someone to write this for. Like I can't wait for you guys to read it. So make sure you go and pre-order it. Give us a URL. I love you, forever. TinyURL. Dot, nope. It was right, I was right.

You'll be, why'd you stop? tinyURL.com slash the butcher in the ren. I'm just really excited to go. It's gonna be in the show notes. It'll be on all our socials. It'll be on the Zando website, Z-A-N-D-O. So excited. It's gonna be in the show notes, it'll be on all our socials, it'll be on the Zando website, Z-A-N-D-O. So excited. It's gonna be everywhere, it's pretty much all I'm gonna post for the next, what, what

moment is it, like, four months? Oh yeah, I'm gonna do TikToks about it, I'm gonna be shoving this down everyone's throw in the best way possible. I'm gonna do it very tastefully, everybody. I'm so excited for you. But I think you're gonna love it, and I'm excited. She's an author. An author was born.

Ha ha. So with all that being said, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, now we're gonna get into some Louisiana crime because that makes sense. Yeah. Because the book is set in Louisiana, everybody in case you didn't get that.

Puck. This is an Arle1, and I brought it way back into the 30s because that's what I do. That's who I am. You are known to do so. I love the old. So this is a crazy one. I had an interesting experience going through the newspapers once again. Always.

Got a level of newspapers. Now this is the story of the Butterfly Man. Oh, yeah. Okay. Weirdly, that doesn't play like the biggest part into it, but it's called the story of the Butterfly Man because I think it's the creepiest part. It's for sure.

Yeah, it sounds like Moth Man. It sounds really. You'll see why he's called that. I don't know if I want to see why he's called that. This takes place in Shrieve Sport, Louisiana. It took place on the morning of April 15th, 1934, sometime between 8.30 a.m. and 9.00 a.m. So at this point, a young man named Will Marion

and his companion Albert Green were set off to go fishing near Cross Lake. Apparently Cross Lake is where Shrieree Sport got their water supply. Oh, okay. Did know that, found it in a newspaper. Fun. But they were just gonna go fishing as they often did. And they took a shortcut, because again,

this is their constant fishing spot, so they just always go this way. Now, as they're walking through this dense forest, filled in by spring at this point. Beautiful. Because it's April. Yeah, April flowers. It's a beautiful setting.

They're off to go fishing. What else could you want? Yeah, I did the April rhyme wrong, by the way. I just said, you did. And I just, I just kind of let it go. I was like, you know what? Yeah, sometimes you do. Sometimes you'll let it slide.

Sometimes I'll let it slide for you. I know, I know what showers. Today is that day. I'll do it. I'll feel good today. So I'll just let it slide. You have a book coming right? I don't, it's crazy. Okay, so filled in by spring. It's very springy everywhere. And Will, he sees something and he's like, it was

immediately strange. Never saw this before. And he saw what he initially thought looked like a random pile of clothing covered with leaves in the middle of the woods. thought looked like a random pile of clothing covered with leaves in the middle of the woods. As we know, that is often not the case, that is just a random pile of clothing. Noramannican. No, he thought this was strange because why the hell would clothing be this far into the woods? And it just appeared this day. So he said, this is what he said according to Bloodstained Louisiana, which is a book

by Alan G. Gothro. And I looked up how to say that, so Alan, I truly hope I said that correctly. If I didn't, please tell me, because you wrote a book and you deserved to have your name said right. Also, it's a really crazy book. It's not just this case that's in that book. I'll link it obviously, but it's not just this case.

It's a bunch of cases from Louisiana that I had never heard of. Yeah. So in that, this is what Will said about finding this. He said, quote, we were walking through the woods and I saw something piled up in a cluster of brush and I told Albert, I see something and he says, well, what is it? And I said, I don't know until I get there,

which I love that he's like, this is, it's like I'm not there yet. He said, what is it? I said, I don't know until I get there, which I love that he's like, this is, it's like I'm not there yet. He said, what is it? I said, I don't know until I get there. So then I'm like, okay, thank you for setting this scene. So specific. And Albert says, it looks like something dead. And I told him to wait and go over there and see.

I went over there and I saw that there was a girl that was murdered and she had a cluster of leaves and rotten wood piled on her. And she was lying kind of on her side with her legs spread open. So when Albert walked up I told him don't come up any closer than 10 feet of the body. He Albert asked then what we would do about it and I told him in a case like this we would have to go and notify the sheriff's department. Correct. Which makes sense. Hi I'm Lindsey Graham the host of Wondery's podcast American Scandal.

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Like, if it was a different circumstance, they would just go fishing and go about their death. If this was just somebody else. At first I was like, that's hilarious why did they say that? Then I looked it up. And in every old newspaper they got to tell you that these are two black men who found this white woman in this woods. And what that says to me, clearly, is they were scared to go to the sheriff, of course. Because at first I was like,

what do these kids worried about? Of course you're gonna go to the sheriff when you find a dead body in the middle of the woods. But then when you get the context of it, you're like, yeah, no wonder you were, and you know what, they're really good people for actually risking their own safety going to the sheriff because in this time,

right? This was the 30s. The 30s in Louisiana, I'm sure that was not an easy thing to reconcile in your own mind that you could immediately be blamed for this. Absolutely, and it has happened. Yeah, so that was interesting because I didn't know that until I dug into the newspapers and then that comment made a lot more sense. Yeah, that is right there. Yeah, it's right there. So now they have to find someone close by to report this to because they don't want to just leave the scene for too long because who knows one, if the killer is just waiting,

right, maybe we'll come and get the evidence and leave, or they're waiting to strike against unsuspecting witnesses, you know? So they run full speed to a local business nearby. The owner's name was Lee Thompson and they told him everything. They were like, you got to call the sheriff. We had nothing to do with it, I promise. But somebody's got to get out here.

So Lee calls the sheriff's department, but he told them I am not going out to that scene. Okay. Like, I will not meet you out there. You guys go ahead. He's like, I saw what I needed to see. Yeah, he was like, I saw more than I needed to see. Like the two, well, the two boys was like, I will not meet you out there. You guys go ahead. He's like, I saw what I needed to see. He was like, I saw more than I needed to see. Like the two, well, the two boys were like, okay, and Lee Thompson, the business owner was like, I'm not coming with you. Oh, go. So the boys were like, we'll go wait for the police, which again, could on them. Seriously. So it took two hours for

Sheriff Thomas Roland to use. And the Shreveport police chief Dennis Dennis Bezer, to show up at the scene, and they brought with them parish corner, Dr. W. P. Butler. Why did it take that long? Not sure. I mean, it's the 30s, so I'm sure it's not like, they can just zoom there as easily as they can now, and it's in the middle of the woods. So I assume it's like, they had to get out there.

They'd find it, you know, and like the corner had to bring like, their shit to get out there and actually move the body. It's a long time. But I'll, you know what, I'll give it a little bit of like 30s leeway. So the coroner took extensive scene notes and also drew a sketch of the scene that I think we should post because it's a very interesting sketch. Let's do it. It shows a strange scene for sure. So according to the coroner's notes, she was lying on her back. Her legs were intentionally spread open. One of her legs was bent at the knee.

Her right arm was over her chest, and the other one is displayed out to her side. The victim was wearing a yellow print dress, and also a black coat that was completely soaked in blood. She appeared to be a teenager. They said whoever the killer was, they had staged parts of the crime scene. They had removed items from her bag and placed them in weird areas. They had placed a jar of face cream, her hat, and a cloth. They had stacked them on each other and placed the stack between her legs. That's weird. Which like what? He also had put pieces of wood and leaves

around the body in a circle pattern. And it appeared that they had actually intended to start maybe a fire, but had abandoned that plan. Oh, okay. For some reason, there was also a bloody knife assumed to be the murder weapon found at the scene.

Interesting that they just left it there. Yeah. I mean, again, I think they're just not worried about it. I feel like it's 1934. DNA wasn't even like a thing. Yeah, it was like the DNA who. They didn't even know we had DNA. We were like, whatever.

So the corner noted that, quote, her head slightly to the left. Like I said, right arm folded across the chest. Left arm folded up to the left side and towards the face. Left leg extended and markedly out to the left right leg thigh extended and left leg folded backward. It was clear to the corner that there was some sexual aspect to this crime. Her clothing was intentionally hiked up in a way that suggested assault.

In the fact that her legs were clearly intentionally spread. Now the victim's body was taken to the morgue and an autopsy was immediately done on her. The victim was thought to be a teenager initially, and they were right. They guess she was about 15 or 16 years old. She was five foot four and about 112 pounds. Her hair was, quote, long hanging loose, obbernant color, and variability. Now interestingly, he also noted that maggots were colonizing in the area of the neck where a large wound was present. Does that mean she had been there for a few days? At least a couple of days. This allowed him to estimate that she had been dead for two to three days before being found, because below flies will find the body in lay eggs within two days,

usually. Now, he said in his notes, quote, the throat was cut in several places. What they determined later to probably be about four. Whoa, yeah. One cut began two inches below the lower border of the left ear, crossing under the chin and terminated three inches below the right ear. This cut severely, this cuts completely severing the left carotid artery, jugular and

trachea. Another cut just below the first one, beginning about three inches below the lower border of the left ear, ranging down to the right and crossing the trachea and ending in the lower right side of the neck. There was a bruise on the right side of her neck, mid portion, that had the appearance of being made by a finger or a thumb. There were three small cuts in the palm of each hand going through the skin. Vaginal examination was made before the body was opened

and showed normal organs externally, but with slight secretion in the vestibule, dry blood, tiny larva of maggots starting in one location, in three tears about one eighth to one quarter of an inch long in the vaginal opening. So she was actually a soldier. Three tears. Very aggressively. Two on the right side and one on the left. It is brutal. This was a brutal attack. And that's not all. Dr. Butler also found very aggressive stab wounds to her torso that actually went between

her ribs and penetrated her liver and lung. Oh my gosh, so he slit her throat and stabbed her in the torso. Overkill to the maximum degree. There was also a lot of defense wounds to her hands because she had fought very hard again to her attacker. Now the victim ended up being identified as 15-year-old Mae Griffin. Oh, baby. Yeah.

She's 15 in some records and some of the newspapers and stuff. She's like, as 16? I'm not exactly sure. She's at least 15 or 16. Okay. That's what I think she was. When detectives found out where her family lived, they went to her home, and they talked to Mae's family, including Maggie Peters, who was also referred to as LR Peters in some

newspapers, just putting that up there, who was her widowed mother. She said a man named Jackson, he referred to himself as Jackson, had come to their home Thursday, April 12th, at around 11 in the morning. He was looking for a young man or a young woman he said to become an aide and like a maid for him and his wife. He said his wife was like kind of ailing. He worked as an auto mechanic and he worked at nights, so he said he needed help during the day. Doubt it.

Doubt it. He was looking for a young woman because he wanted his wife to be comfortable and he thought that would be, you know? He didn't even have a wife. No, they were kind of just like, mm, I don't know about that. So he left and he came back a couple more times and was like, I've talked to other people.

I haven't found the right person. I feel like you're like a great fit and like she would really like you. Can we maybe, like, could you maybe come meet her and see if this is something that you would want to do? It's so, that would give me like such bad vibes because I've already told you I'm not interested. So why do you think I would go to fit if I'm not interested? Exactly. Because it's like if I'm already telling you I don't want to do it, I'm

probably not going to want to do it. And that's not good for your ailing wife. And I'm annoyed that I'm doing that job, correct? So she initially said no several times, but then after getting probably annoyed with his persistence, she was like, you know what, I'll come meet your wife and I'll see if this would be a good fit for work. So she ended up leaving with Jackson from her home somewhere between 12 and 1 p.m. Her mother Maggie Peter said she herself was very against this

and told her she could not go. But she said she gave in because May was like, let me just meet her and maybe it's a job. Like, who knows? So she was like, I just gave in. This is so sad. It's like Albert Fish again because it's like these kids are just looking for work. There are so many. I was literally just going to say this is so similar to the Albert Fish thing where the mother is like, I initially didn't want to say yes. Right. But I didn't the mother is like, I initially didn't wanna say yes, but I didn't wanna be rude and I also didn't wanna like,

and then this ends up happening. Right. Oh God, I hate that feeling because like you wanna say, like no, be rude and just your gut. Just be rude. I can't even tell you how many times I'm like, I wanna be rude. Yeah, I don't wanna be rude.

So I'm just gonna do this thing. I know, but it's just not, you don't have to be, man. I think the older I get, the ruder, I'm going to become. Yeah, I've definitely learned that the older that I get, the less I give a shit if somebody is like aggravated with me not wanting to do something. It really does come with age. I feel that you get more and more comfortable with it. I'm starting to get there.

I'm not fully there yet, but the other day I said to Drio. I was like, you know what? I don't know anybody, anything. No, you really don't. You don't. It comes with friendships too. When you're older that you all start to realize that none of you are gonna give a shit

if the other one is being rude. And that's just making faces. You haven't quite got there yet, but I promise you, I swear you hit your 30s and the friends that you have, you all just get this silent pact with each other if they're like real friends. Yeah. That you all are just like, let's not bullshit each other.

Yeah. Let's not sugarcoat each other. Yeah. If I say do you wanna go to this restaurant and you don't wanna go there, just tell me no. Don't fucking just say sure and then not have a good time or not wanna go

or just like cancel for some other reason. Just tell me, I don't want to fucking go there, pick another restaurant. We're all just like, I don't give a shit. I don't care. Nobody's gonna hurt anybody's feelings. We're all just being real with each other. At this point, my feelings are like,

I don't, they're barely there. At this point, I'm just like, you're not gonna hurt them because they don't exist. You're not gonna hurt them. You have plenty of feelings. I have a lot of feelings. I was just gonna say you have a lot of feelings.

You're full of feelings. But you know why we feelings. I'm just going to say you have a lot of feelings. You're full of feelings. But you know why we love you. But they're slowly dwindling. No, you know. I hit your 30s. It'll be great. Five or years.

Then you don't give a shit. But yeah, so this is very much like the Albert Fish thing. It is. They were also, you know, this was during a time when shit was not going great. It's in 1934. Yeah, there's not a lot of work to be had. Not a lot of work. This family in particular, Mae's family was going through it.

They were very, very poor. They lost her father. They had lost the father. I mean, these are people who are praying on people that are desperate and is the same in Albert's fish chase, which is even, this is what's even weirder. Albert Fish himself was not a well-off gentleman coming to take a, he was praying on somebody that was in the same dire straits as he was. And as we'll see in this scenario, this person is in the same dire straits as these people. And is why are you doing that? Like why you, I mean, you shouldn't pray on anyone, but like,

of course, why are you praying on someone in the same situation as you? You know how hard it is. Because they don't have feelings. Because they really don't have feelings. But what's even crazier as a little parallel between this and Albert Fish's case was after an hour of may leaving, her mother started to get worried. And was like, I don't know about this. I just have a really bad feeling.

So she started contacting some family members. And she was like, okay, so he said he lives at this address, like let's go see that place. What they found out was that address was fake. The exact same thing that Albert fished it. But they actually fake address. And they don't find out until it's too late. Oh, no. Both cases, both cases, they get a fake address, which comforts them into thinking, well, I have an address, so I'll just go there. And then they find out too late that it was a fake address.

Oh my God. So wild. I didn't mean to do that either. It'll like pick these two cases. Sometimes that happens, it's weird. Very weird. I think something similar happened in the last case I did. Yeah.

But what was I gonna ask you? Oh, so if she, so the police are going out there and they're like, you're like, we found your daughter. Had she already contacted them at this point? Because she had been, because may have been gone. I guess what had happened was they had had family members outlooking for her and then they had contacted. So that's how they were able to identify her

was they matched it up to the missing Okay, the missing report and it matched up with her Got sure they did something else to find out but that was definitely the the one thing and they were gonna have the mom come in Double identify, okay What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missaldine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice,

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You know something nefarious has happened here. Like nobody gives a fake address after they take your child out of your house without really bad intentions. Oh, God. Yeah, I felt really bad for her. Now, May was actually set to marry in the spring. She was going to marry a boy named Ali Looney and he was part of the search to find her.

He came to all the court cases. Oh, yeah. It was really sad. Where they like a lover was this like arranged. I think it was like kind of a both situation where they really did like each other but it was kind of like an arranged thing that like they grew up I think together and we're just gonna get married. Okay, but he was part of everything. He didn't just like because who knows if it was like an arranged

thing, he could have easily just stepped aside and just been like well that's not the next next. Yeah, like it's just and I'm glad that he actually seems like they really did love love each other, at least like each other that he was involved in everything up until the end. So now they're looking for this Jackson guy because he was obviously the last person to be with May before she disappeared and the fact that he gave a fake address and never came back is not looking great for him. So witnesses all around the area remembered seeing May that day. And they said that it was around the time that she was said to have left her home.

And they also remembered seeing her with an older gentleman who resembled the description of Jackson. So all of them are saying yes, I saw her with him. OK. Now, a woman who lived only two blocks away from May's home said that that morning they had been visited themselves by a man matching Jackson's description as well. And this man was there to sell them butterfly bows

that he made. What's a butterfly bow? He would like hand make these little accessories out of like paper and fabric that he was found, because he said he was homeless, and this is how he made his money. He would make these little bows that looked like butterflies.

Because it was like of the time, like the fashion of the time. Girls wore them in their hair on their coat, like a pre-butterfly clip, so the necklaces. Exactly, these were like paper, fabric, and she called him the Butterfly Man. Ooh, spooky, I don't like that. Now reports came forward calling this man a quote,

pleasing man. I don't know about that. Like everyone was like, well I saw her with a pleasing man. So he apparently looked very like- Put together. An occupist? Sure. He didn't look like, you know what it is,

he didn't, when you see a picture of him, I'm like, maybe he dressed up that day. I'm like, he just not looks pleasing to me. Like, I would be like, he, she was walking with a terrifying nightmare man. That's what I would think. I'll open my computer. But they said he was about in his 50s.

Okay. And that was according to the Park City Daily News that I found all those witnesses reports. The search went far and wide for this guy. They opened it up. They were trying to find this butterfly man. Yeah. Now it was in Tallula, Louisiana, which is like the most adorable name for a place, I think. And Tallula, Louisiana. I love the name Tallula. I think it's the cutest name I've ever... I'm like, wow, that sounds delightful.

Tulu La. Does anybody live there? Is it delightful? If it's not, don't tell me, because I have this vision that like, it's beautiful and adorable. I don't know about it. Just, you know, I feel it,

so I'm just gonna go with it. I don't know about it, like if it is, but I also feel the same. Like I just don't know things about it. I don't know nothing. I just sort of have a fun fact. Unfortunately, this is not the same. These losers were found in Tolulu, Louisiana.

They were detest, so detectives LK Barney and Lloyd Napier, located four men. They found, or excuse me, I think only three men. It was kidding. They located J.A. Conroy, Fred Lockhart, and AJ Jackson. Okay. A. J. So, A. J. Jackson physically looked like the Jackson who had come to May's home according to descriptions.

And that's, and again, his last day was Jackson. Right. And that's his weird alarm bells. They arrested the three of them and brought them down to the Cato Parish courthouse. May's mom, Maggie Peters, was brought in to take a look at the three suspects, and she was going to identify them. And she initially said that J.A. Conroy was the man. She pointed at him and said, that's the man that took my daughter away from my home.

But it was not convincing to detectives. They were the reason being that they were bringing her in for the identification, but she identified him as they drove her past the courthouse and he was pacing outside. So she didn't even really get it? So she really didn't even get it? It's not exactly a perfect situation to identify someone there. Also these kind of identification can be tricky. I don't know why I couldn't say that word.

It's hard. It's tricky to say even. We saw an Albert Fish again, how Delia Bud became known as an unreliable witness because of the number of men she declared was Frank Howard. Loved ones, especially a parent who was just dealt with their child being taken away from them, never mind being taken away from their home

with their technical consent. Right. It's not always the best person to have come ID someone. Emotions, eagerness to find the purpose and desperation are just gonna play into it and it feels like it did here a little bit as well. Yeah, it just makes sense. It's completely understandable.

Of course. Of course they're gonna do that way. Now, this was released to the public, the, you know, that she had identified J.A. Conroy as the guy who did it. People went nuts. Of course, a 15-year-old, 16-year-old girl was just brutally murdered. A child murdered.

Crowds gathered immediately ready to enact some serious vigilante justice on what they thought was a child rapist and murderer. Yeah, because that's the thing I was going to say. She was also brutally assaulted. It brutally assaulted and it was all revealed. So, they had, because in every single newspaper I read, it said that she was criminally assaulted.

And then back then that's saying rape. Right. Now, they had to sneak him away from the courthouse for his own safety because they were surrounding the courthouse. And she got even crazier later. Like the crowds back then with vigilante justice. Who? Because also it was like, what the fuck else were they doing?

And what else were they doing, I guess? Now on the morning of April 17th, 38-year-old Frank Lockhart suddenly broke down and confessed that he had murdered Meg Riffin out of nowhere. He basically said that when he saw Jay Conroy being basically taken down for it, he suddenly had a weird conscious thing and he said I couldn't let him take the fall.

Weird. Because he's like, we don't even really know each other. Now funny that he's 38 years old because people thought he was at least 50, and he looked it. I was just gonna say, I looked at a photo and I was like, I would say that man was like 72. He was also described as an elderly man in a lot of the descriptions.

He looks like it. And he's literally John's age. Holy shit, I didn't even think that's a hard 38. I'm so pleased to know what you've been up to. Now, Lockhart had an alias DB Napier, not related to the detective that took him down, which is weird. Oh, super weird.

I know, it's very weird. But he would use that alias to get out of the many crimes that he had already been convicted of. Now, he was also known around town as the Butterfly Man. He was the Butterfly Bow Salesman. I hate that. Sound familiar? It does.

He had been living under a railroad overpassed in a makeshift community of homeless people in Shreve Sport because a lot of people were really down on their luck then. So there were these whole communities that would basically sell their stuff out of there and they would just kind of stick together. He did indeed have a wife. Shut up.

He was not lying, who also lived with him under that railroad overpass. What? He had a business where he made those little hair accessories and other odds and ends, and he would sell them. And he said the story of a man named Jackson coming to May's house and asking for a young woman to be hired to take care of his sick wife was completely true.

Stop. And he was like, I do have a wife. She is ailing. I did need someone to take care of his sick wife was completely true. Stop. And he was like, I do have a wife. She is ailing. I just wanted to take care of her. I just wanted to take care of her. I just wanted to take care of her. I just wanted to take care of her. I just wanted to take care of her.

He initially said that he was really looking for that. That's what he claimed. That's what he claimed. I don't think so. And then what happened to get us to this point? That's the thing that nobody can get out of him. So he said she willingly came with him to talk about the job. And he said, quote, we went down the road, we then went down the road and hit the Greenwood road, and then went across

and through the golf course and went to that next street. And there was a little dim road that led off the lake. I told her my wife was down there fishing and we should wait for her. She, May Griffin, sat down and I put my arms around her and she hit me. Yeah, she hit him. So May Griffin was not putting up with this disgusting, disgusting leeches, like assault. Exactly. Like don't touch me and she fucking hit him in the face. Good, good for her.

Why did you randomly put your arms around me, you fucking weirdo. You are a letch. Bye. Right, go somewhere like you're discussing. Not only are you not allowed to touch me without my consent, you piece of shit. Yeah. You're 38, I'm 16, are you kidding me?

Yeah, I'm about to be a whole last married woman. Yeah, like you are literally on the way. To take me to your wife. We say is sick, that I'm supposed to take care of. Like right there, like what out you are literally on the way to take me to your wife Who say is sick that I'm supposed to take care of like right there? Like what are you doing? So then he admitted that he started groping her. Oh my god What the fuck is this guy and she told him to stop and fought him but he persisted Oh, and as she tried to fight him off

He pulled out a concealed knife like a pocket knife and stabbed her in the side where it perforated her liver. Holy shit. He said, quote, I went on and assaulted her and then I cut her throat and left and went home. Are you like for what reason? Because she wouldn't like you touch her and grow her and assault her. Are you piece of absolute shit? Why? Yeah, that's why this happened. This happened because he said he had seen her before and he wanted to assault her.

Wow. And he was mad that she wouldn't let him. You know what? So interesting. We got to talk to, me and Elena got to talk to our uncle who's like a retired police. Yes. Was he detective? Detective.

And like when you were first saying that she had been stabbed so many times and the brutality of it all, we were talking to our uncle and he said your first thought, and my first thought was, oh, then we must know, she must know the person who did this to her. Because that's anger and that's anger. That's anger, and personal. Our uncle was telling us, like sure,

that is the case sometimes, but not always. It's just that people get always. It's just that people get angry. It's not that it's personal all the time. Well not even just that. Also that he said no one likes to hear this but people don't die easily. And he was like, people think that a million stab wounds are always because it's a personal thing which a lot of times it is. Sure. But he said unfortunately you don't just stab someone once and they immediately die in the movies. He was like, sometimes it takes a long time

and a lot of times they don't want these killers, don't want to leave a scene before the person is dead. So they do it. They just keep going. Just until they stop breathing and that's when they can leave. Right. Which I was like, wow, that's such a simple explanation.

Really clinical way of thinking about it, but like, I was like, wow, that's such a simple explanation. Really clinical way of thinking about it, but like, for some reason it just didn't occur to me. I think your humanity just can't necessarily get you there. Unless you work in something like this day in and day out and you start to realize a pattern. Yeah, it's just all of a sudden. You're like, yeah, you're right.

Actually, it does take a lot of stab wounds to kill someone in normally. Yeah, because as soon as he said that, I was like, wow, Because there's been so many times where I've covered a case with crazy amount of stab wounds and I'm like, so immediately they knew it had to be personal. I was like, once you knew, and I was like,

well, shit, uncle, now, I'm gonna think about that. Yeah, it really is. He's a fascinating character, actually. Oh my God, he's so cool. And we're gonna try to convince him to just tell us stories so that we can record him and do a whole thing about it. It he's so cool. And we're gonna try to convince him to like, just tell us stories so that we can record him and like do a whole thing about it. We'll see if we can get a whole interesting.

Because it's my dad's brother and it was really fun to talk to him. He's a hot shit, he is. Bad. Bad. Now, it's so, yeah, he just said, I went on and assaulted her and then I cut her throat and left and went home.

Just like, you showed up to her door, you said my wife is ailing, come see her, and then one thing led to another, like one. I love how he's just talking about this, like, then I went to Shaw's and picked up some produce, and then I killed this girl, and then I went home. Yeah. And he's literally like, I tried to assault her.

She wouldn't let me literally grow her. So I stabbed her and then assaulted her some more and then cut her throat and then I just went home. For some reason, obviously. I'll wear a group of media that he just makes me like nauseous. It makes my skin crawl. Now, he also broke down a couple of times during this confession saying that poor little girl,

oh god, why did I do that? Because you're a filthy fucking animal. And it's like no one believes you, dude. Yeah, you're a piece of shit. No one believes you, I don't know. As we'll see, this is not his first rodeo, really. I don't believe those tears for one second. No, he probably just wanted them to pity him.

Yeah, he also said, quote, my conscience wouldn't let me go on. I'm guilty about everything that has been said about me. Yeah, no matter how you get this straight, your conscience wouldn't let me go on. I'm guilty about everything that has been said about me Yeah, no, she'll be got this to your conscience wouldn't let you go on But your conscience allowed you to murder a little girl and allowed you to try to escape right like you You were fully trying to get away with that. You just got caught. No conscious to be had here sir No, and it's also like one of those things that's like, you know what? conscious to be had here, sir. No. And it's also like one of those things that's like,

you know what, my conscience wouldn't let me go on. Like they didn't do investigatory work to get to this point. Right. It's like, oh no, this wasn't your conscience. And like you being like, guys, I am guilty of this. They're like, no shit, we know that because we gathered evidence. So this was our due diligence.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Have a firm. Have several seats. Yeah. The knife that was found at the scene was identical to a knife found in the shelter under the overpass where he lived. And in that shelter where he was specifically living, they also found bits of bloodied clothing that when investigated, they found to belong to May Griffin. And they were clothing that was worn the day she was murdered. The other men were released pretty immediately because he was like they, I don't even know them.

And they were like, we have nothing to do with this. Imagine how, um, what, sorry, what was his name again? J. Conroy. Imagine how he felt that day. Yeah. Talk about a sigh of relief. Oh yeah. Well, actually, one of them, I'm not sure which one was quoted as saying, it was a grand and glorious feeling to be exonerated.

Which I imagine. Seriously. Because this was going to carry a sentence of death, regardless of what was gonna happen. So, yeah. You were charged with this, and you were convicted. You were going to hang. Thank goodness they found the right person

before that happened. Now, again, this came out, and a mob was ready to kill him themselves. Let's go. With the numbers being reported outside the courthouse of being between 2000 and 5000 people. Armed with bricks, clubs, and ropes. They stormed the perimeter of the courthouse to try to get Adam. Initially, they were just around the courthouse yelling and threatening and just being like,

fuck this guy. But after the confession became public knowledge and some of the details came out, two women got on top of a truck, two women. Got on top of a truck in front of the entire crowd and yelled to them, you're a bunch of dirty cowards if you don't go in and get them.

And that's all it took. I know that I'm not supposed to be rooting for this, but it's like rooting for this. But when you listen to it, you're like, oh shit. Well, and it's like, she was a child. I think when you kill a child, certain things happen to you. Yeah, I'm sorry. So it's like vigilante justice is never the answer.

Of course not. I'm not like saying that. And also this was the 1930s. This is also like already happened. So we can't control about it now. But also it's like we're being, you know, facetious. But yeah, I, I keep it when you hear it, you're like, okay, me and Elena are low key. The two women on top of the trip. Yeah, I was gonna say you're about your dirty cat. If you don't go in there and get

them, that would be you. I'd just be pointing at you. I'd be like what she said. Like what she said. That's my girl. Like come on. Now the crowd just, that was all it took. They were like, you are she said. That's my girl. Like, come on. Now, the crowd just, that was all it took. They were like, you are correct, women. And so they just split up. Women? Women? They actually split up, according to the Bluefield Daily

Telegraph. And one half kicked in the front doors. And 200 of them got into the first floor of the courthouse. Stop. Well, the other half attacked through the basement. But they couldn't get to the seventh floor where the jailthouse. Well, the other half attacked through the basement, but they couldn't get to the seventh floor where the jail was because they were stopped, and that's where he was being held on the seventh floor.

Every officer and firefighter in the entire city had to be called in to get this under control. Oh, God. They were blasting people with fire hight, with fire highting, fire highting. Fire hoses, they were using tear gas, just trying to control this. Oh, man.

What a wild scene. And then I saw that at one point, it was reported, and I was like, wow, 30s. Because they were like, the damage to the courthouse was estimated to be in the hundreds of dollars. My God. And I was like, oh boy.

And then I was like, well, this was the 30s. Yeah, today it'd probably be like millions. But it was like the hundreds of dollars. You imagine, not then I was like, well, this was the 30s of all. Yeah, it'd probably be like millions. But it was like the hundreds of dollars. You imagine, not if you could be like, that was like a hundred dollars worth of damage. So worth a damage. I'd be like, sick. Like what a bargain.

Sick. That's easy to fix. That's great. I bet the court has that. I'm not worried about it. But yeah, it was Mayhem. I guess tons of people got hurt. Oh, that's not good.

It was like, it ended up being like a really, nobody got like killed in this. Yeah. Nobody was truly hurt to the point of like, you know. But see, that's my vigilante justice. That's why it doesn't work. Because people get hurt. Right.

And again, confessions can be made. Exactly. There's arrests like this one in the ridiculous. Not the case for that. But it's happened. And there's a rest. Like, this one in the ridiculous. Not the case for that. But it's happened. Happened a million times. And if we just let people

a big, a big angry mob is never a good thing. And it is never a logical thing. It is never anything that is going to have a great outcome, a big angry mob. It's just not going to happen. So, because this isn't like a, you know, some kind of rally or a protest this way. It's just not going to happen. So because this isn't like some kind of rally or a protest,

this is like just out for blood. And that is no good. But they had to bring everybody in to get this under control. And it was so bad that Sheriff Hughes had to ask the governor of Louisiana, his name is OK Allen. OK Allen. OK Allen.

To send a company of the Louisiana National Guard to help make sure that no one killed Lockhart. Lockhart. Now they sent four members of the National Guard to keep watch 24-7 over the corridors. Major Walter B. Randall was the battalion commander on duty, and there were actually machine guns on hand for protection. Holy shit, that's how crazy it got.

That's crazy. Now meanwhile, they started digging into Lockhart's record. Yeah, they were like, he had to have done this before. That's the thing, I was, that's the one thing I was gonna say is like, you don't just do this one day. This is not your first. No, murder. Like this is a very intense murder.

And to act that quickly like in a snack. And like staging and shit. Which I never explained, and I'm sorry about that, that he never explained. I'm so angry right now. He never explained it. I think it was just to shock personally. I think, and it's like so weird to put her face cream out. I think it was just her intimate things that were in her bag.

So I think it was just his way of exposing all of her in that shocking way. Weird. And it was taking ownership of everything and ownership of her in a way, I think, was his logic. Because... As a college's wild.

As we'll see, he has already been down the sexual assault highway before. So he's very sexually aggressively, like, you know, sadistically sexually motivated. Right. So I have a feeling that was all tied in. Makes sense.

Now, they found out that this man had actually escaped prison in 1931. That's why he had that alias. Guys. He escaped while working outside for the prison and he had been in prison supposed to be serving a life sentence for a brutal sexual assault on a young woman. So he had done this before. He also admitted, and this is crazy. He admitted that he had driven a car that led to a lynch mob in 1915 in Georgia. Now, when pressed further,

he described the exact mob he was talking about, and it was a wild case that everyone was very familiar with. In 1913, a 13-year-old girl named Mary Fagan was found murdered at the bottom of an elevator shaft in Atlanta, Georgia. It's a crazy case. She was last seen speaking to and coming out of the office of the office manager of the building. His name was Leo Frank. Now, he was immediately arrested and charged with murder, and it's important to point out now that he was Jewish and anti-Semitism definitely played a role here. He was convicted of her murder with little to no evidence.

And people to this day are still trying to get him pardoned because people do not believe he did that, and he was lynched. He was initially given the death penalty, but it was commuted because even the governor of Georgia at the time knew he was not convicted on enough evidence for that. While he was serving the now commuted life sentence in Millageville, Georgia, a huge group of like this angry vigilante mob broke into the fucking prison and kidnapped him with the guards watching and allowing it. They drove him for two and a half hours to marry at a Georgia where Mary Fagan was from and they lynched him in an oak tree. There are pictures of it and shit is this horrific.

It's crazy though how many times that happens in like cases where people are racist. Oh my god. They will break into the jail and drag these people out in the guards. We'll just stand right on. And the guards will just watch it happen. Like it's happened a million times. And how many times did it happen where these people have nothing to do with this crime that they have just been? Nine times out of ten, it's black people that this happens to.

We met as we see it also happen to like Jewish people. And like just pure racism, anti-Semitism, like, what the fuck? We mentioned it in the Lakeland Europe episode. Literally almost the exact thing happened to a black man and he definitely was not guilty. Exactly. And he's a young black man. And again, another reason why vigilante justice

is not the way to go. It's like, because look what happened here. And it's like, and so he was saying, Frank Lockhart was saying he drove the car that drove Frank two and a half hours to the spot where he was killed. So not only is he a brutal child murderer rapist, he's also an anti-Semite.

Exactly. Like he, how, hang him. How terrible can you get? And the car, he drove the car with Frank inside of it, Leo Frank. It's, I was like, it's disgusting. And that story is just so,

I gotta, I'm gonna go further into that story at some other time because people really are trying to get him pardoned now. Like it's a horribly sad story. And he was, to me from what it looks like, I'm not convinced at all that he had anything to do with Mary. She just walked out of his office, that's right. I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time,

but isn't it so scary how often that can happen wrong place, wrong time? It will happen with my case this week as well, or wrong place, wrong time. And it's like, actually, it happens twice in my case. It can happen to anyone. It can. And it all just comes from a simple,

innocuous decision that you make for your life. Exactly. That you would just never think of. Yeah. And it's like, and then you add on to it, like, it happens more to, you know, marginalized groups. It happens more to black people. It happens more to Asian Americans.

It happens to, back then, especially, it was happening more to Jewish people. It's like, having that, like, we all have that chance of being in the wrong place at the wrong time to have it the way he had it. It's horrible that like some people have to walk around. And it's gross. That thought, that today, it's still a thing. It's still happening. That's probably as often as it was back then.

And yeah, we're just not, it's just, it's so crazy to me. Like that story really, I was like, holy shit. And it's just, the society has a lot of work to do. Yeah, we sure do. And I stumbled upon like the pictures because they're in the article I was reading. And I was like, oh Lord, this is bad. Good work.

Good work. Good work. Good work. Yeah. But yeah, so this guy said he was the car that drove this whole thing, which makes it. I'm like, whoa. Yeah.

And that was like a, it was a big revelation to them too, because they, this was a big case. Right. And they were like, what? Like you two are part of that. That's what you want. That's what you want. Now, Judge Robert Rhodes requested a grand jury here

the case, and they began the trial on April 23rd, 1934. So this happened like Bing-Bing Boom. Yeah. It was like April was a busy month for this case. Airy season. It was a packed courtroom with over 200 seats and people lined up outside. Like everyone wanted to see this.

Everyone involved took the stand, including Mae's mother. And she publicly apologized for Jay Conroy for wrongfully identifying him. Well, it's sweetie. And it's like it's okay. We don't have to apologize. I know it's like, it all worked out in the end.

So we don't even have to go there anymore. But the trial lasted a little over three hours. Wow. With the prosecutors being the district attorney, James Galloway, with assistant councils of Nash Johnson and John Pleasant, which I was like, what a cool group of names. I know. Nash Johnson. I love the name Nash.

Actually, the name Nash is in my case this week. Oh, really? That's funny. And the nickname, the defense had WA, Mobbery and C. Blanchard acting as attorneys for Lockhart. They were appointed to him. And then the jury deliberated for literally five minutes. John up.

Before coming back to say he was guilty as charged. I'm surprised I even talked about. Judge Rhodes sentenced him to death immediately. Bye. Now, while waiting for his sentence to be carried out, the Chattanooga Daily Times, this was just an interesting thing to me. I was like, I don't think that's it. They published an article saying that Dr. Paul Jones,

who was a pastor in the Central Church of Christ in Shrevesport, gave a sermon called, Who Killed May Griffin? Now, this was after the news came out. Remember, this was after they found the guy, he confessed, and was sentenced to hang for her murder. He's doing a sermon, Who Killed May Griffin? But in his opinion, her murder was, and I quote, who killed Magriffin, but in his opinion, her murder was, and I quote, the breaking down of home teaching and discipline, the poisonous effects of immoral sex, the obscene magazines and literature, the daily crime catalog in the public press, the gambling houses, dance halls, saloons, and roadhouses. He said anyone who took part in any of that shares responsibility for the murder of Magriffin. one who took part in any of that shares responsibility for the murder of Make Riffin.

So you are, we are all murderers if we have taken part in any of that, sir. And I was just like, wow, how out of touch can you be? I don't know about that. What a bad hot take you had, sir. Like that's just, I love that it's like, I know we caught the murderer and he admitted that he literally raped a child,

just because he wanted to, and that he was actually in prison before for doing that. And then he brutalized this child and murdered her, and left her body under trash and leaves in the woods. But it's the dead house. But I think it's just immoral sex personally. And the dance halls, I think that's what it is. What?

Because I did the fucking hokey-poky the other night. That's why. To get out of my face. Like, come on. That is so off base. And I would just, I'm like, that's, you know what that was? He hadn't put a sermon together yet. That's how much he was like, oh, shit.

I really gotta come up with something here. Yeah, and it's like, can't we just say he's an evil fuck? And he's to blame here? Right, or just maybe have like a sermon about happy things instead. Yeah. And like maybe like say a prayer from May if you feel bad. Exactly. And I guess Frank Lockhart had actually written in his confession

that he grew up in a religious home and he should have listened to his parents and Boba, and he went through this whole thing and I went down a bad path and it's like, yeah, okay, so you had two good parents, it sounds like, so that doesn't matter. He grew up in a good house. Like they tried to instill some values in you.

He chose because he's an evil fuck to go down that road. Yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with dance halls or magazines or music. So it's like we can't really... Some people are just people. Yeah, some people. Just like some people suck, some people are also just evil. Yeah, some people are just shitty. And some people are great.

And some people are wonderful. It's just the way the world is. And you know what? Some people are just okay. And that's cool. Some people are tepid. Some people are lukewarm water. That's been sitting on the table for like maybe a little too long.

Water that's gone bad. Yeah, you know it's got a little fuzzy. Some people are tepid, some people are fuzzy. Yeah, we can just admit that, it's fine. There's all kinds of people. Didn't you watch Sesame Street? Didn't you? There's bad people, good people, helpers.

Helpers, look for the helpers. That's Daniel St. Rogers.'s Roger and Daniel Tiger. Yeah, they'll come from the same thing. Wow, where are we go? Where do we go? It's bit where did we go? Sorry, we took a two-mighty mighty Boston's place for a second at Drew as one does. Yeah We're gonna end it with May 18th, 1934. Frank Lockhart was hanged without incidents. Good. The end.

Wow. That was it. Okay, that was like such a big, bang boom. I don't even know what I was expecting. It was. I'm glad that he came forward, obviously. And that's the thing with these cases is a lot of times it's like you don't get like You have to really dig for details which is good to me. I love digging for details

But sometimes you don't get the like you don't get the the reasons for certain little things at the crime scene Like he's not and he wasn't gonna give it to us. Yeah, I have to tell you something funny I was gonna say you're I was thinking like you're like a paleontologist digging, but I almost spoke too quickly and said you're like a podiatrist. That's exactly what I am. You're like a foot talk. Yeah, I'm exactly, no you don't need to say anything else. I'm like a podiatrist. That's really all, we don't even need to go any further. My brain is a no context. I am just like a podiatrist. Complex problems constantly circulating up in this creole. Solven world problems up there. Podiatrist versus paleontologists.

Same thing, man. And with that, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it. Wee! But that's a word that you don't know. The difference between paleont tall, just to know, for diatrous because like, what? Because what?

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