Morbid - Episode 316: The Kreischer Mansion

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

The Kreischer mansion on Staten Island is the only property around that belonged to the famous Kreischer family, who made their living producing firebricks in the 1800’s. The property, which sits at 4500 Arthur Kill Road, has long been rumored to be haunted as fuck. In the episode we’ll go over all of the hauntings throughout the years, speak about a murder that unfortunatley took place on the property and what the future holds for this beautifully macabre building. *a great source for more info!!* As always, thank you to our sponsors: Scribd: Go to try.scribd.com/MATCP to get your first two months for less than $1 Skylight Frame: To get $10 off your purchase of a Skylight Frame just go to SkylightFrame.com and enter code MATCP BetterHelp: Morbid listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/morbid Care of: For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com and enter code morbid50. The Jordan Harbinger Show: https://www.jordanharbinger.com/podcasts/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey weirdos, I'm Alena, I'm Ash and this is morbid. It is! It's morbid, but it's morbid with a sick gal named Alina or cart. Yeah, it's, you know what, in the last episode, I got a few comments that were like, was that Alina? Which is hilarious. Can you guys imagine if we were like, just swedish somebody in without saying anything?

We just didn't think you would know. No, you know what? That was the beginning of this illness and I was trying to push it away. Here's the thing. We've had this random virus. It is not COVID, we're all COVID negative. But it's been this random virus that we all keep passing around

and it just will not leave. And I'm assuming it started in like a kindergarten classroom and just 100 mutated. And then I, in particular, run myself into the ground. I will fully admit that. That's why I'm not doing myself any favors here by resting at all or anything. Like, I just don't do it. It's bad. Don't do that. I've learned my lesson with this one. Because finally, Ash, this has been lingering forever. It just keeps coming in and out weeks, but it's hilarious. Let me interrupt you because I got better, but maybe what, like two weeks ago,

you were like, you need to go to the doctor. I know. And I was like, you need to go to the doctor. Because I care about you. I care about you too. But it's, you know what it is? It's like, I just never shut off. And like, I, which like you have to,

you have to shut off. I even if you're a parent, you need to shut off. And especially like, I'm lucky. I'm very, very lucky to have a husband, like a partner who will take over in like an instant. And I don't take advantage of it. So I really should have. And Ash and John were both like, you are going to the doctors.

Because I woke up last week after we recorded my episode, actually, I woke up the next morning and my voice was gone. I walked into the house and the morning like thought we were recording, like thought we were gonna start the day of work. And this bitch straight up says to me, oh, and I go, what?

Like, I think a lot of us, like, I've like lost, quote unquote, my voice where it sounds like this or a little respire, it's not where it needs to be. I've never full on Nopinate, like Larenjitis style. Right. Nopinate, it freaked me out. So that's when you guys were like, you need to go to the doctors.

And then let me explain to you all what happened at the doctors. This bitch got diagnosed with bronchitis, which they then said was going into pneumonia. They were like, they were like, it's the perfect time. And she comes, I didn't get to go in because I don't know, it's the doctor's, why would I go in there? I was sitting in the car,

watching TikToks. But she comes back and she goes, he just said it's a casual case of bronchitis. And I go, first of all, we have the same doctor, actually. Yeah, he did say exactly that. He did not, there's not, we have the same doctor actually. Yeah, he didn't say exactly that. He did not, like, there's not a casual case of bronchitis. He used different verbiage.

Yeah, when he said a casual case of bronchitis. He basically said, like, to to next stop pneumonia. So you did. He also did say that. So he what he said. And he was like, who is this man you see? Because it's not the same as me. He was basically like, you got a chill.

Yeah, there it is. And he basically said that. And he was like, here's some medicine. Like, sit your ass down, stop talking for a while. And I was like, oh, no. And so I decided to listen. That's why this episode is a little late. Because one, I physically could not speak.

And to even when it was starting to get to this, like, sultry era where it took a minute. It took a while and it just wasn't going to be at all pleasing for you guys to listen to and I think quality over quantity is best here. You guys deserve to not listen to horrible voice people. So I mean, John just had to. Yeah, exactly.

Um, so I just wanted to let you guys know what was going on. I'm totally fine now. I've been taking my antibiotics. I've been fine. I'm resting. I'm doing what I have to do. But my voice still is not obviously where it normally is. And it's a little, a little like, it's, it hangs on the balance there. Yeah. By the end of the day, it's like gone gone. And if I speak a lot, like, it hangs on the balance there.

By the end of the day, it's gone gone, and if I speak a lot, it just leaves. So we're not gonna do any business in the beginning of this after we end this whole shabang, because I wanna maintain this voice so I can respond to Ash. I know, actually. I got a good one today. I'm excited for this episode.

So we just aren't gonna, I'm sure there's true crime news and stuff, but we're just not gonna touch anything today because I just need to, I need to be able to like maintain this for the rest of the episode. So we just wanted update you guys, like, you know, thanks for all the well wishes. I know. I'm gonna make sure. Okay. This, yeah, oh my god. It felt weird being like a way from it for it. I know it's been like almost a full week. So it also has never happened. Everybody be careful because my doctor was saying these, this kind of virus and like bronchitis and all that

is like rampant right now. Cause we've all been like home. Yeah, and he said it's either COVID or these weird ass viruses and they just don't leave. That's what's happening. Everyone is sick right now. Like yeah, everyone has some kind of like respiratory thing going on. So just take care of yourselves.

And so you know, down if you're doing too much. If you are able to slow down, just give yourself a little bit of time when these things happen. Care is important because I'm learning my lesson. And a hot bath if you've got respiratory issues with a beautiful bath bomb, honey. Oh, self care.

That's where it's at. Central. So without further ado, let's get into it. We got a fun one too. Well, it's like not fun, but it's fun and like the spooky sense. It's fun in the spooky sense, and then we do get into murder, which is not fun at all. Which is never fun.

Never, ever fun. No. But I am bringing you today the case of the Kreyscher family mansion and also a murder associated with said mansion. Hell yeah, you are. It really covers all the morbid bases. We have a rich family from the 1800s,

a haunted mansion and a murder. So we got everything. Like, fully rounded there. Fully morbid. Fully morbid. So if you're from Staten Island, I feel like you've definitely heard of the Kreischer mansion. It sits on top of a hill named Chrysher Hill

at 4,500 Arthur Kill Road. And if you're not from Staten Island and you've never heard of this place, you better buckle up and get ready for a wild, freaking ride. Over the years, there have been tons of rumor circulating on the island about this old Victorian mansion. It was built in 1885.

And like some of the rumors are not true at all. Like, they have no substance to them. But some of them, they ring true and there's like evidence and shit. So it's interesting. So to know the Chrysher mansion is to know the Chrysher family. So let's get into it. I thought you were going to say to know the Chrysher mansion is to love the Chrysher mansion. I mean, that as well, to know her is to love her, to know her is to love her and to know her is to know her family and where she came from. Yeah, to fear her.

You have to know everything about her. She starts with a man named Bal Tazar. Yeah, as all good stories do. Do you understand how hard it was to type the name Bal Tazar as many fucking times as I had to type it? I ended up just naming him like, ball. In my head, I had to just write, Balth-A-Sar.

Yeah, yeah. Balth-A-Sar. But it was Balth-A-Sar. It is. And he was born in a Bavarian village in Germany on March 13th, 1813. Yeah, he was. So he was not only a Pisces,

but he was born into a family known to manufacture bricks. One of these things is not like the other. I was gonna say that not like the other. I was gonna say that I see the correlation. I just wanted to slip in his zodiac sign per use. You should. I was like Pisces and bricks. Yeah, I would be upset if you didn't.

Thank you, I know. So his grandfather actually had his own brick manufacturing business. And then his father had learned the trade. So when the time came, young baltas are left school early and started working as a apprentice for the family business, learning how to make bricks. He learned all about masonry.

I think that's how you say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I looked it up. And throughout his training, he actually became like an incredibly skilled worker. So he was 23 years old when he migrated to America. And it was in the year 1836. And that was just one year after the great fire of New York had destroyed 674 buildings.

Oh, just a casual, complete destruction of an entire city. Yeah, I think it was literally like 17 blocks. Wow. And that was one of three fires that happened like way back when in New York. There was like a lot of fires. Fire is really a real thing. They still are actually.

They happen now? They do. Fire's all the time. I thought that was of the past. No, it's still a thing. Have you got a gas stove? Oh, I do. Fire.

Check it out sometime. I'm gonna look. I'm gonna investigate this further. Try it out. Just be careful, stop dropping real. So the damage totaled about $20 million back then, which today would be $653 million of damage. Oh, boy. Yeah, so it would go me a spand,

so it would be a cool chunk of change. Yeah, hot ass chunk of change. So needless to say, there was a lot to rebuild. Yeah. And Balthazar was stepping on the scene ready to get his hands dirty when he came to New York. He always is. He got to work right away as a builder. And soon he made the acquaintance of a man named Charles Mumpaton. These names are just really killing it. Love it. Charles Mumpaton. Mumpaton. Mumpatin. Mumpatin. So together they opened their own factory in 1845 that produced fire bricks,

a building material that would become pretty popular after almost 17 blocks of New York City had been destroyed because of fire. He saw a need and he filled it. He did. Were they called Mumpatin and sons? Um, no, I will tell you what they're called in a second. Wow. Actually, right now, great timing. Opportunity missed.

Their company was first named Christcher and Mumpatin. Do you know why? I have no idea how to do that, just kidding. But over the years, they actually changed their name like a ton, so it's funny that you asked that. Because Charles Mumpatin died just four years after the business was established.

Oh, no. And then BalticR's nephew stepped on the scene to help out. Because Charles Mumpton died just four years after the business was established. And then BalticR's nephew stepped on the scene to help out. So at that point, the company, the name changed to B. Chrysher and Coal. And then later on, it became B. Chrysher and Sun, and so on and so forth. There was a lot of name changes. Evolution, it's a part of life. Am I right? part of life. Am I right? I love like adding self-care things to my daily routine and one of the things that I've been doing lately is reading a lot more. I think it's, I mean, I know it's like really

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It's just beautiful. It's gorgeous. Wow, that was like so Irish. It's gorgeous. I've been watching a lot of below Dexalinga and I love Daisy and she's Irish. I knew that meant no. I was told to be like, what me too,

but Daisy would. She's mad bitch. She doesn't rest either. Good. So many ways. He fell in love. He met a woman named Caroline Hinchin, I believe is how you say it. And it was the same year he moved, like, Kismet that he moved that year.

Truly serendipitous. And Caroline was also a German woman, so it was like two Germans falling in love with each other. What, what better? A love story for the ages. Absolutely. They were married for 17 years, and they ended up having eight children together.

They had four girls and four boys. I said girls weird there. Coral. Corals. Chronologically it went. Catherine, Caroline, Henry, Frederica, and George, who were twins, Louise, Charles, and then lastly Edward. Wow.

Now, Henry, one of the, like, little boys there, unfortunately, died when he was only six years old. No! Yeah. And then Caroline, the wife, died in 1853, just a few days after their son Edward was born. I couldn't figure out exactly the circumstances surrounding Henry's death. So my assumption is that it was probably just like an 1800s illness. I was gonna say just the 1800s of it all.

Exactly. And then Caroline has said to have died from childbirth complications, but she must have like really even going through it because it was in the days following. Oh, it wasn't like right then and there. Oh, man. Probably the infection. Yeah, honestly, probably. So by the time Caroline Yeah, honestly, probably. So by the time Caroline had passed away, the family was actually readying to move to Staten Island. The original factory that Baltozar had opened with Charles Mumpatin back in 1845,

had been sold and it was a Manhattan property. It was just too expensive to keep up with because Manhattan was getting more expensive. And also, they wanted to move because Baldasar had discovered really great clay deposits along the water in Staten Island. And clay is a key ingredient in the fire bricks that he was producing.

Yeah, it is. It was a win-win situation. I literally had to Google if clay was like used to make bricks. I didn't know. Did you know? I didn't know. Okay, cool.

I was like, what the fuck are bricks even made of? There's made of brick. What even are bricks? Like sometimes I think that about jeans, cool. I was like, what the fuck are bricks even made of? There's made of brick. What even are bricks? Like, sometimes I think that about jeans too. Like, I'm like, what's denim? What's denim you know? I know, we know. We never think about these fabrics or any kind of material.

It's interest that we use literally every day. Yeah, so there's clay and bricks, who knew? Look at that. You need some rich ass clay to build. You know, you just said that. A million people are gonna say, I knew. That's true. That's very true, but that's okay. I'm glad that you knew. We all know, or just said that a million people are gonna say, I knew. That's true. That's very true, but that's okay.

I'm glad that you knew. We all know or we don't know. The more you... Those are really the only options. There are. So... The more you know. 50-50 chance.

Now I know. And you don't know. Now you know. Yep. We all know now. The cold medicine up here. Up in here is my... I was just gonna say robotosin.

Robotosin. So the new factory, it was being built right along the way. cold medicine up here, up in here as well. I was just going to say robotosin. robotosin. So the new factory, it was being built right along the water in not 19, in 1854, the year after Caroline had passed. And within a handful of years, Baltezard would actually go on to construct his own beautiful mansion that looked over both the factory and the water. And so he named his place Fairview. You got to name your place.

Because it had a Fairview. It had a Fair-ass view. It did. I like that. I love it. I like that he's just not even, he's like not fucking around. He's like Fairview. Gorgeous.

That view is fair. It's fair. I mean back then, like that, if you were fair, like, whoo, whoo, yeah. So Baldasar, he had made a fortune by this point in his career, and he was really reaping those benefits. He also had remarried a woman named Matilda, and he had two more children with her. And at that time, the area that they were living in was called

Androvetville. Androvetville. It's a mouthful. That is. But it was named after a wealthy and powerful family, the Androvets. Oh. They had actually been in Staten Island dating back to the 1600s.

Oh, look at them just coming over. Coming on. Coming over first. But when Baldasar opened up the new factory, he gave jobs to a ton of people in the area, and he became known as like an amazing boss, and just an amazing person to work for. He ended up building a ton of homes in the area

so that his employees could live basically on site and not have to travel into work every day. And actually have time to spend with their family. Look at this guy. He actually cared about his workers and they actually built most of the homes as duplexes so that they could fit two families in one building. So still today, it kind of actually made duplexes popular around this area fit two families in one building. So still today, it kind of actually made

duplexes popular around this area. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So four of those houses, by the way, are still standing in what's known as Charleston. That's so cool. Isn't that so cool? And that's Charleston, New York. I love that shit. And they became landmarks in the 90s, so nobody can tear them down. Nice. Awesome. We love to see it. Yeah, it's really cool. So eventually because the factory had created so many jobs, and because of the way he was known to treat his workers, the town's people actually decided to rename the town

and change the town's name to Kreischerville. You know you're awesome when the people want to rename the place you live. Because you're just so kind. Just because you're a kind team. That says, like, immediately I just felt so connected to this story after I heard that. I was like, you know what?

I fucking love Baltasar. That's what you strive to be. You do. You strive to be a Baltasar. And he did. And he took a lot of pride in the respect that he had throughout the town. But he also, like, wasn't really somebody

who seemed to let it go to his head. Good for him. And in a time where sick pay was like honestly really unheard seemed to let it go to his head. Good for him. And in a time where sick pay was honestly really unheard of, he offered it to his employees, and they actually, unfortunately, the factory burned down for the first time in 1877, and Baltazar continued to pay his employees while he also had to spend a small fortune rebuilding his factory. Wow. Mm-hmm.

So luckily, he had the money obviously, because at the highest point, the business was producing more than 20,000 bricks in one single work day. Damn. 20,000 bricks. And he could have been like a greedy, greedy McGreadersen. Totally.

Like most of these bosses would be, and it wouldn't matter how much they were making, they would be like, well, it burnt down, I have to pay for it. There's not any wages. Like sorry about it. Yeah. And not only did he do that, so he's paying his like, well, it burned down, I have to pay for it. You're not getting your wages. Like, sorry about it. Yeah. And not only did he do that, so he's paying his workers, he's rebuilding his factory, and once his factory was rebuilt, he went on to build a church in the town that still stands today.

Look at him. Back then, it was named the St. Peter's German Evangelical Church, but now it is known as the free Magyar Reformed Church. I feel like this is the church. This is the church, yeah. I would just call it the church. The church. I would call it the church. I would call it Balthazar's church. Balthazar's church. Church of Balthazar. Church of Christchurch. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't name it to church of Balthazar. I'd name a church of Alina, but you would name. I want to clarify. You would name his church, your name.

No, if I made this church. Oh, if you made this church, the church of Alina. Yeah, I like that. I would name mine the church of Ashkel. Why? I don't know. Anyways, he built a church. And he also built a post office branch

and he funded multiple different stores being built in Christchurchville as well. This guy. And one of the last things he did before his death in 1886 was build two identical homes, AKA mansions, for his sons, Charles, and Edward. Look at this guy. So like I said, these homes were really mansions.

They were built facing each other and as mirror images of each other. It's a little weird, like it's confusing, but I mean, like wicked weird, but like, but like, and it probably wasn't that weird back then. Like I think it was probably just a flex to be like, look, I just built these two mother fucking midgets mirror images of each other. Like I also, I think it's just like kind of like an eccentric rich person thing that you're

just like, like, like a fun quirk that doesn't really bother anybody you're just like that's weird and I can do it but like good for you. Yeah for doing it like making to a mirror image of each other facing each other. Yeah it's a lot but it's cool. It's wicked weird. So they stood two and a half stories tall and they were built in Victorian style. Oh of course the gudge. Outside each house had a veranda. I almost

veranda. I almost just said vernada. It had two vernadas. It had these things called vernadas. I don't know if you heard them. No, they were verandas. It would be the most like two thousands and something of you ever to be like it had like a vernada. Yeah, I'd be very young. Never heard of that. Of course. They had verandas, they had that gingerbread trim along the roof. A corner tower, which you could literally go inside and climb up to, and just overlook the property. Like a turret. Yes, correct, exactly.

Give me a turret. Absolutely beautiful. It also, it overlooked the factory and the water, too. That was gorgeous. There were multiple chimneys because almost all of the rooms in the house, or excuse me, almost all of the 14 rooms in the house had a fireplace. Damn. All of the fireplaces, of course, were made with Chrysher bricks.

Yeah, they were. Yeah, so if you're ever able to visit the house, take a peek at the bricks along the bottom of each fireplace, and you'll see the name Chrysher, like basically engraved into each one. I want to see these. I know. They're really cool. We should go.

Staten Island is like, yeah, that's so far. Yeah, exactly. Like stones throw, you know? Let's go. Each house was also about 6,700 square feet inside. Oh, just a little chef. I'm not great at math. It was so like for my fellow not good at math people,

that's massive. Yeah, I was gonna say big is not the word. Yeah, it was massive. Massive. There were five bathrooms and five bedrooms in each house. That's a lot of keep. 12 foot ceilings and then this is my favorite part. This really or Nate wallpaper that was made

from a combination of leather and linoleum. Oh. Yes, it is like absolutely beautiful. You would totally have it in your like spooky office. Oh my god, I want to see this. I'm going to show it to you after. Cool. So Charles and Edward, the two brothers, they were going to move into these beautiful mansions,

like each of their respective mansions, with a pair of sisters that they had married. Yeah, they are. Right? Yep. Charles had married in Tonya, and Edward was with a woman named Frida. Yep. Of course. Yeah.

I absolutely love it. I love all of it. It seems like both brothers only had one son, by the way, just like to tell you a little bit more about the family, based on what I could find for family records. I pulled to you and I signed up for Ancestry. Yeah, you did. It was hard. A lot of fucking bultazar's randomly.

Oh, yeah, you really have to like, get me out. Yeah, exactly. So they're moving into these beautiful mansions, but bultazar dies just one year after the mansions are finished. All right, people. Bultazar. So he died August 25th, 1886 at 73 years old.

So like, he lived a really long time. For that time period, yeah. He lived a super long time. Cause I don't know what the average, I think I tried to look up the average lifespan in that time period and it was kind of hairy. Like there was a very good answer. It gets very like, like you said, it gets hairy

because a lot of people are like, oh, you live to be like 20. Right. And it's like that's not necessarily the case. Right. So it's like one of those weird. And it also depends on lifestyle. That's exactly.

There's so many. There's so many. Yeah, contributing factors. But still, 73 in the 1800s, I do feel like that's a long life. Seems like it should be. Yeah. I'd be like, oh man. I know.

What about my right? Yeah. But he did so much throughout his life. So I'm really proud of Baltez. He left a good legacy, man. He did. So now we're going to get into this wild part of the story. Let's go.

In my personal opinion, it's an offshoot, just so everybody's aware. But I'm a Gemini, so there's going to be offshoots everywhere. There you go. So I read in every source that his body was transported to the Greenwood Cemetery, Jeff DeCoff. No, I'm gonna be.

Oh. You looked at me. You went to cough and I was like, we can pause. I think I was just sucking in air. I'm screaming, so yes. He was transported to the Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn on a block of ice. Give it to me.

Things that make you go. So I was like, why the fuck would they transport his body on ice? And every source just casually writes that, like, transported his huge body on a block of ice to the cemetery. They also all say that he was huge. And I'm like, we could come up with a better word.

Just huge. We could say like his magnificent body. It's like it's triumphantly sized body. Thank you, exactly. It makes it sound like good for him. Yeah, like a man. Oh, you're just like his huge body. It's like that's not even like, look, use a thosaurus.

That's not even a good word. It's just like, okay, leave. It's just not nice. Leave. We just leave. So I was like, okay, why is he on ice, though? And I found out that it would be for a couple of reasons. And I found all of these reasons on

Cascot and Funeral Supply Association of America. I'm literally obsessed with this. Yeah, they've got a website. They do. So you need to look into this, by the way, because this is like just one subunit of Cascot and Funeral Supply. Oh yeah.

Life. Life. Yeah. So around the time that Volta's are died, something called ice caskets were becoming actually popular. I know I've read about these before. I think it would actually be like a very interesting thing to somehow incorporate into a future episode.

Yeah. I love caskets. You do. So some of the first patents for these kind of caskets were submitted in 1870, and they made them as late as the 1890s, like they were around for a while. And they did sell because obviously the use of ice slowed down the decompt process and allowed the body to be viewed in the home for a couple extra days. It also, and I'm assuming this was not the reason in Baltasar's case, but for some people

it was actually cheaper than having the body in balmed. That makes sense. Around that time in balming was actually a new process. And it was expensive if you wanted it to be done. Yeah, so you just stick them on a block of ice. Yeah, but they would just leave the body on a block of slowly melting ice. Yeah.

And according to that Cascade and Funeral Supply Association of America website, the whole process would freak out little kids because they would hear the ice dripping in the night after everybody left. Oh yeah. And they would think that their loved one was just like, it was like blood dripping from the body. Oh yeah.

How fucking creepy is that? That's gnarly. What a wild time. That yeah, it was a really, that was a wild time for death. It was. It truly was. And apparently, it's also where, that was a wild time for death. It was. It really was. And apparently it's also where the term icing someone comes from. Like it means you're

going to kill them. There you go. It's not crazy. I like that. Yeah. But it also, it makes sense when you think about the fact that he died in August on Staten Island. Because they don't want them, if they're, you know, if they, especially for viewing purposes, it makes a lot of sense. because back then, that viewing time was like a very sacred, very long drought. Oh yeah. And you can imagine, I mean, this is Chrysherville, and like the man who invented Chrysherville essentially

they're gonna pull it all the stops. Yeah, they're gonna want everybody's gonna wanna come visit. And they don't have AC, so it's not like if you're set up in the living room, they can just keep you cool. Exactly. So yeah, that's ice caskets. I love that.

So when he who, when Balta Zardide, he left each of his children about $300,000 between cash and assets. In today's money, that would be like, if your dad left you $9 million when he died. Just a sweet ass, $9 million. Fucking $9 million. And that's like, each kid got that damn.

And then in his will, he put his oldest son, George, and a man named William Lindoroth, who just randomly appears in the store, but they were both put in charge of executing his will. And he left the business to his remaining children to be split evenly amongst them, even the girls, which was kind of crazy. Progressive for the time.

It was. George ended up buying his sister's part of the business. So he was just like, I'll take that, thank you. But thank you. He compensated them, so whatever. He bought it. And they still had about like $900 million, not actually $9 million.

But a lot. But they had a lot of money. So then George told Charles, who had been pretty involved up until that point, that he had a lot of money. So then George told Charles, who had been pretty involved up until that point, that he could take it from here. He was like, you don't have to, you don't have to be involved anymore.

You can step aside. And he made Edward, and this guy named William Lindoroth, and himself, the heads of the business. So it's unclear why George didn't want Charles involved with the business. Like I couldn't find anything to say that they had a feud, like no tea. By all accounts, this family seemed to get along really well, but I don't know.

But power and money come into it, man, it changes people. And George is the oldest, so he has to play that card, of course. But Charles didn't really seem to mind too much. He actually had a bit of a me moment, and he traveled around Europe for a little bit, and he actually went on to work for another brick company. He kind of stuck it to the man. All right, cool. He was like, I don't need you.

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So even though they were able to rebuild it quickly enough, it really wasn't smooth sailing like the first time because you know, Baltas R wasn't around. I was just going to say you're missing a vital piece. Yeah, you really are. Now, they weren't bankrupt quite yet, but they were definitely making their way there. And there were also rumors spreading in the town that the three partners were not necessarily on great terms.

Uh-oh. Now, like I said, according to the family, Georgian Edward got along just fine. But then other people close to the family, like family friends, and even actually some of the workers at the factory, they had like different standards, it seems, when it came to getting along, they were like, I don't really know if they are getting along that well. By our standards.

Exactly. They disagreed. And they said, they were like, no, like they're not just good old brother buds, like I think something is- Brother buds. Brother buds Like I think something is brother buds. I think something's going on. I think there's some ruffled feathers here. So the rumors surrounding their relationship only grew after Edward's death in June of 1894. Edward's body was found on June 8th laying next to a gun which had inflicted a single shot into his head. Oh man. Mm-hmm.

So it was eventually ruled a suicide, but it was a questionable suicide. People were not so sure that this was suicide. Edward had actually been at the factory just before he was found, and he seemed to be completely happy in a good spirit according to all the workers, which, you know, how that can kind of be like a toss-up.

Like, of course. But people who didn't feel like he would have done this to himself, they actually started pointing the finger at William Lindaroth there. That random guy. And yeah, like he literally just got so excited. You're the rando. I think he's just like a family friend.

Like he was definitely, he grew up with the family and everything. And Baldur's actually like really respected him, obviously. He pointed him to kind of like, help run everything. And Valdes are actually really respected him, obviously. He pointed him to kind of like, I'll run everything. Exactly. So, but other people were not so fond of this guy and they were like, maybe you have something to do with this.

Yeah. Maybe you led him to do this. And according to Miami Ghost Chronicles article written on this, great article, check it out. I'll link it. The factory workers completely hated William Lindar, and they actually chased him out of the factory one day and demanded that he leave town. Whoa.

They were like, get the fuck out of here. Wow. That's not just asking him to resign? No, that's chasing him out of the town with like pitchforks essentially. Damn. So those who didn't blame him, which didn't really seem like a lot of people, of course, they pointed the finger at Edwards, right? White Frida, and rumors started going around Krasherville about her and a doctor from a

neighboring town. And these rumors were alleging that she was having some kind of affair with this doctor who was Dr. Walker Washington. Oh, she was. It sounds 100%. It sounds 100%. It sounds so sure. Dr. Walker Washington, you, she was. It sounds 100%. It sounds like Dr. Walker Washington. You were definitely fucking him.

It also just sounds like something that would be on like days of our lives. Yeah. Like, that's, it's like Dr. Carlisle. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So those people who were like, no, she was having an affair with Dr. Walker Washington, they said, Edward must have found out somehow and been so distraught that he felt the only way to deal with this was to end his life.

Oh, that's like so tragic. Now, giving like, kind of, is it, do you say like giving credence to these rumors? Sure. Yeah, is that how you say that? Yeah, cool. Frida did end up marrying Dr. Washington. Yeah, because they were fucking about a year and a half after Edward died. Absolutely. But I do wonder if the rumors about her and the doctor started before they were married or if they started after. Because I can totally see the people like pulling that like,

she moved on so quickly, card. Yeah. It's like if they started before, I feel like there must have been something that started them. But if they started after the marriage, I think it was the whole, she moved on so quickly thing. My instinct. I mean, Walker Washington sounds hot as hell. So my instinct, I'm never going to blame Frida. It was going. Yeah. And here's the other thing. She and Edward had an 11 year old son together. Oh boy. So I

could see probably part of the reason that she moved on and remarried, which like some people felt was too quickly, was maybe for some kind of stability for her and her child. You already have some sort, you know? Yeah, I can see that. Because, you know, like obviously the Christ your family is well off, but she married into the family,

she's not blood. That's true. You never know. So you gotta be careful. Yeah, you gotta cross your teeth and dot your eyes. Yeah. And the other thing is, by all accounts, she was very torn up over Edward's death.

And people who have heard a woman crying in the Chrysher mansion in modern days think that this might be Frida's ghost crying on a loop over Edward's death. That's so sad. It is, it's horrible. Now, so that's that whole thing about Frida. But Edward's brother Charles, who again had been removed from the business in the early days, he was incredibly upset by the loss of Edward. And he actually held sayances in his own mansion,

trying to get answers as to what happened and whether or not his brother actually killed himself. Oh wow. So that could be another source of all the supposed hauntings of his mansion, which is the only one still standing. I gotta see it. So it's a common belief among people who have studied the history of the mansion throughout the years, that Charles might have opened some kind of portal

and not properly closed it during these sionses, Oh damn. Leading to a whole bunch of spirit holo-balloo. A slew of spooky shit. A slew of holo-ball slew of hullabaloo. That's right. I had to Google how to spell hullabaloo, by the way. I love that you had to spell it right.

In your own notes. I cannot have typos in my notes because it read underlines it. Yeah, that is frustrating. Telling me that I'm wrong and I'm like, I have to be right. You're like, no, that's a word. Thank you.

Yeah, it's a hullabaloo. In 1899, the crusher's business was lost, unfortunately, and the factory ended up being auctioned off. Weirdly enough, an Andrew Vett family member capped in Peter Andrew Vett, bought it at auction. Yeah. Now, because he respected the family so much, he did keep the name of the company,

and he went on to run it for almost 30 years until it closed in 1927. The Royal 20s. The Royal 20s, but by 1936 they tore down the building and Chrysherville was simply a memory by that point. Because in 1916 the town's name changed again, this time from Chrysherville to Charleston. Now, the reason given for this name change was that it was just after the First World War had come to a close, and this is absolutely horrible. But people weren't too fond of hearing German-related names or sentiments.

And Chrysherville, Chrysher, is obviously a German name. So people were annoyed about it. But the book, American Murder Houses, written by Steve Leto, a really great book. I actually shared it with you. You did. And a few other sources suggested that the town's name was changed to Charleston in honor of, in honor, excuse me, of Charl's Cresher.

I was gonna ask that. So they still kind of like got there. Yeah, they get into the Cresher's. Isn't there? Yeah. Because I immediately thought that when you said Charleston, I was like, oh. Yeah, a lot of people think that's why, and a lot of people claim it's fact that that's why. I'll take it.

So unfortunately, Baltazar's mansion was destroyed by fire in the 1930s. Oh, my God. And Edwards mansion either burned down during the Great Depression or it was torn down. My money is unburnt. And my money is unburnt. Because everything is burned.

My God, fire seemed to be the number one serial killer here. It looked literally. What the fuck? The theme of this story is when a fire starts to burn. Oh, yeah. It starts to spread. Right? You know what I mean?

I don't, but. Have you never heard that song? I don't know. I don't know. I think it's like called Fireburn or something. Fireburn. It's probably not. It's called Fireburn.

It's called Fireburn. A people who made fire bricks. I know. There's called firebird. It's called firebird. Over. A people who made fire bricks. I know. There's a lot of fire happening. What people are like, was this family cursed? Like, is that what it is? Because of their firebrick. And it gets just adds to the story.

Yeah. It was like just a lot of like series of unfortunate events. Yeah, I think it was just the 1800s of it all. Yeah, exactly. These are also like very spread out events. Like it wasn't like everything birthed. It wasn't like after. You're after it.

Right. Exactly. So more after you. Right, exactly. So more about the descent of this family, George died in 1910 in New York, Charles died in 1917 also in New York, and now the only members of the Chrysher family, oh no, there's no members still. That said, memories. You're like, the only members are the no members.

Are the zero members. Are the zero members? Are a lot of them. Are none of them. Yeah, the only memories of the Crusher family come from the Crusher bricks that actually still line some of the walkways in Charleston. I gotta see these. And of course, from Charles' Haunted Mansion,

that sits on type top of Crusher Hill. The Haunted Mansion, the Haunted Mansion. The mansion itself was declared a landmark in 1968. Good. And in 1982, it was placed on the National Register of Historic Places. I love when shit happens like that. Which again, you can't touch them. Exactly, it's good.

You cannot touch them. You can't tear them down. So over the years, there have been tons and tons of stories about the history of the place. And a ton of Staten Island's occupants think that this place has haunted us fuck. I do. Now this woman, Tina Kasman Dunn, she works with the Tottenville Historical Society and she told inside addition.

Staten Island is an old community full of history, but everyone's always interested in this house. They always want to know if the ghost stories are true. I do. So I'm going to tell you all about these ghost stories. Bring on the spooky. So the first paranormal experience is reported from the mansion actually came from the 90s when part of the home was converted into a restaurant. Hmm, very interesting. So during that time a man called Joe McBratney owned the mansion with his wife, and allegedly at this time, the restaurant was actually a front for the mob.

Oh. Yes, this is- We're going there. And this is interesting because it's not the first or the, well, it is the first, but it's not the last time that the mob is gonna be mentioned in relation to the Crusher mansion. Stabneylands.

Stabneylands. So according to The New York Times, the FBI was actually able to confirm that a banana soldier met with a Gambino family captain at the Crusher restaurant in 1998. Damn. Now, just to explain the soldier-slash-family captain of it all, for anybody who's not familiar with the hierarchy

of the mafia, a soldier is kind of like level one of the mafia, I guess you could say. Soldiers are also sometimes referred to as made men. They're the ones who have like the most approved to the family because they have to take this vow of silence called the Omerita, which basically just says that they're gonna keep their mouth shut about any crime related activity.

And obviously that's something that's taken quite seriously. Yeah. Now a captain for my understanding is one step above a soldier and they're the person who reports to the under-boss, who then reports to the actual boss, aka the dawn. Oh yes. I did a whole project on like mafia and mob families and like organized crime and all that in college when I was taking criminology class. It was fascinating. I wish that we could like dive more into it, like on morbid, but it's a scary thing to approach, you know.

Mama's staying over here. Mama's staying. We're gonna like dip our toe into the palms for a second, but it is. I find it so fascinating. It's really interesting. I also grew up watching mob lives, so. And we also grew up, at least when I grew up, it was right next to Boston, when Whitey was just running the streets.

One Papa was so fascinated by Whitey that I think we talked about it as a family along. We did, yeah. And he was, you know, like, it was just like always a part of discussion. Yeah, it's, you know, fascinating, but fucking terrifying. Yeah. Now in New York, authorities believe that there are about five different families

within the mafia there. And two, a lot of those five families interestingly have connections to the Chrysher mansion. Look at the Chrysher mansion. Look at the Chrysher mansion. Yes, and again, just like a weird little aside for people who were kind of like up on their mob mafia knowledge, if you do find it intriguing, Joe McBratton's father James was actually killed by John Gotti.

Oh, that guy. Yeah, you know that guy? Big fucking deal. Yeah. And again, according to The New York Times, James's murder was the one that actually got John Gotti into the Gambino family. Oh, damn. Yeah, just like a crazy side there.

Wow. So it is interesting that during a time when the Chrysler Mansion had more connections to the Mafia, then I think the original family would be too happy about the paranormal activity started ramping up. Yeah, that makes some people are dying. Yeah. So people who worked in the restaurant would hear voices all the time when the restaurant was already closed and like they were cleaning up for the night.

One bus boy who worked at the restaurant said there was this one specific night where he was working and he kept hearing voices coming from the basement. It sounded like there was like some kind of argument going on between a couple of people. And all of a sudden, he started hearing door slamming, so he was like, what the fuck is going on down there? And he goes downstairs, and there's nothing there. Like, nothing is going on, but he's like, I fucking heard it. Like, people actually slamming doors.

Like, I heard slamming doors, I heard people yelling at each other, and I go down and there's nobody down here. Like that always freaks me out when it's like a scene that they hear. Like a people yelling or arguing and then it's nothing. Yeah, it's like why was a whole scene playing out down here. It's very key. Now at least that bus boy just heard the spooky stuff. Uh-oh.

Because other employees at the time would run to Joe McBratney and tell him that they'd just been grabbed, especially in the basement. What? And they described the feeling like somebody's hands holding onto them, and it, like, almost like holding them back from going upstairs. Oh, no, thank you. No. No, I quit.

Oh, I would put in my resignation that day. Yeah. So people who worked there were not the only one subject to the hauntings because like actual patrons who were coming to eat at the restaurant would just be sitting there. And all of a sudden they would hear, it doors are just like slammed all the time in this place. They would hear door slamming. Or they would see a picture literally just fly off the wall

across the room for no fucking reason at all. Damn. I mean pictures usually don't fly across the room for a reason. I was gonna say that I would love to know a reason. I would too. But they would literally be sitting there enjoying like, I don't know, some pasta.

And they'd just boom. Like what? And multiple people have said they've had this experience. This is very mafia because it's very aggressive. This is very aggressive. It is. It is. Now around this time, like while the restaurant

was going on, a rumor started going around that a German cook had either killed himself or been killed in the restaurant's kitchen. Now, there's no concrete evidence to support that theory, so it could just be a rumor. Or maybe it's related to the mob, but it was one of those hush hush situations. It's one of those on a need to know basis. Right. But people will hear like pots and pans slamming around in the kitchen when no one's in the kitchen.

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Oh, he felt hands touch him just like his employees had, like pulling him back, like holding him. And then this experience that he recalled to Nick and Katrina from paranormal lockdown. Oh, it fully sent me. So he told these two paranormal investigators that one night he was sleeping in one of the upstairs bedrooms. They were doing like a ton of work to the mansion. So I think he was like, I just have to sleep here.

He woke up in the middle of the night and there was a woman standing in the doorway of his room. No. And he said, she didn't say anything to him, but he said, I just know she was trying to tell me something. And he was fully convinced that this woman was a creature. Holy shit, fully convinced. And he said, he felt like anyone connected to the house,

like living there, staying there a day and a day out was in great danger. Oh. And he told them, quote, quote, this house consumed me. I had to run from it. Wow. And run from it, he did.

I always wondered in those scenarios where someone's like, I woke up and there was someone just standing in my doorway at the end of my bed. I'm like, what was your reaction? Like, did you scream? I don't want to know your thoughts. I want to know your physical actions that you took to get the fuck out of that room.

Honestly. Because no one ever says they ran out of the room screaming or something. Like, someone's in my room. I'm grabbing the golf club, I'm swinging for them when it goes, whoosh right through them, I'm out. Then you have to walk through them and what if they go into you? No, I, what if they become with you? I'm swinging for him when it goes whoosh right through I'm out. Then you have to walk through them and what if they go into you?

No, I, what if they become with you? I'm out. What if you become it's so gross? I've become it's so lame. I've become it's so lame. I'm in a relationship. I leave. You can't.

I'm out. I just always wonder. I'm like, how are you not, how is there not a U-shaped hole in the wall? Because I was just thinking. How are you not cool, they'd be like literally being like, oh yeah. And just run through.

You'd be like, oh no. At denook. That truly would. I don't know, but I also want to know what the reaction is like after. Like, did you just go back to sleep? Some people will be like, I was just so tired that I went back to sleep, but I'm like,

no, the adrenaline. No, you didn't. The adrenaline coursing through your veins at that point, you did not go back to sleep. Because you know what, I'll see my sleep paralysis, at that point. You did not go back to sleep. Because you know what? I'll see my sleep paralysis, demon. I know it's a sleep paralysis demon.

Yeah, I don't sleep for hours. I will see like Luxe or Franklin shadow walking through the room and know full well that it's my fucking cat and be like, I don't know, can't chance it. Yeah, I don't know, I'm not going to sleep for hours. If I accidentally wake up at 3 a.m., I'm like, well, I guess I'm up until the sun comes out. Oh my god, I fucking hate when that happens. I hate it so much. And I'm like, well, I guess I'm up until the sun comes up. Oh my god, I fucking hate when they hop in. I hate it so much.

And I'm like, I'm definitely hiding under my covers that I'm like, okay, go back to sleep, go back to sleep. I'm just like, I know there was a reason I was woken up at this time and I don't want to be awake at this. Oh, it freaks me out so much. So yeah, so yeah, free Joe out too. And he was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. And he was like, bye. Good for him. So around 2000 is when the mansion changed hands over and it was to a developer named Isaac Yamtovian, I believe is how you pronounce it. I look at the main to see how you pronounce it and I couldn't find anything.

It sounds great. I think it is. And he bought the mansion for $1.4 million. Damn. Now, he said that he had to put another million dollars into restoring the mansion back to its original glory. Because when he first bought the mansion, he heard all these kind of stories about paranormal happenings and people would come up to him with pictures that they'd taken in or outside the house.

And there's some pictures, which I'll definitely post. If you look in the windows, like there's this one picture of people outside, and if you look in the window, there is a ghost woman in the window. I showed it to you when I decided to do this case. Yeah, wild, but look at it again. It's wild. And you'll just see people lurking in the back. Creeps me out. But that didn't really freak him out. And instead of being deterred from the place, he actually just poured some good ass vibes in there. He said, he literally said, quote, precisely

because of that, I thought, it's a good idea to renovate and preserve and bring this house back to its original shape. I love that. He was like, maybe the ghost activity is so rampant because everybody changed it. I think that's wonderful. He was like, I'm gonna restore it. And that's what I would want to do. I always love when people want to restore it to like the original thing. Yes, like he did. Like the people in Salem, how they did that into the last live show we did.

Oh my God, the Daniels house. Yeah, the Daniels house, they restored it to the exact like, oh my God, out of this world. If you ever get a chance to stay there, it was one of the coolest fucking places I've ever gone to. And the vibes are just right. The vibes are good there. They're right.

They're creepy, but they're not threatening. No, because I think that the house appreciates that it is what it is. Houses have energy. Even if they're not haunted, I think houses have energy. Every house. Vibes are there. Yeah, vibes.

Vibes. So, you know, Yamtovian wanted to get the good vibes rolling. So he got to work and he started painting the outside of the house back to what was popular in the time that it was built. It's a mustard yellow, maroon, and green color. Beautiful. I'm gonna be honest, it's like not gorge, but you know, it's historic.

Yeah. And then he restored different parts of the house that had fallen into disrepair over the years. Now, he also has like all kinds of knick knacks in there that are like of the original time period. And he has the windows dressed in like dark draping curtains. I love that one. And of course, all the christian bricks are still in the fireplaces, which I think is so fucking cool. Now, Mr. Yacht-Ovian hasn't actually shared any of his paranormal experiences, if he's had any. But he did own the mansion while one of the biggest tragedies occurred there. So a man named Joseph Young was hired to be the caretaker

of the mansion. He was to live on the property to make sure that there was always somebody there and basically just to keep up with the place. Now Joseph Young was a former Marine and he was originally from Florida and he had made some not so great connections while he moved out to Staten Island. He was an associate of the Bonanno Crime family, one of the five most notorious mafia families in New York. That's right. That's right.

I said before that a soldier is like the lowest quote-unquote ranking in the mafia's hierarchy. Associates go even below that. Oh wow. Now, this I got so fucking into this part. According to the FBI's Mafia chart, an associate is quote, an individual who is part of a crew

but has not yet been, oh, excuse me, but has not been made and commits crimes under the protection or direction of made members and remits a share of his illegal proceedings to his direct made superior. And is made like you've killed someone, essentially. Maybe you proved yourself. You proved yourself, okay.

I don't know, I'm not in the line. I don't know, I don't either. I'm not even gonna think about it ever again. Don't worry about it. So essentially an associate kind of, to me, at least sounds like a soldier in training. It's like you prove yourself, and then I think you prove yourself, it's like steps, like you prove yourself even further

when you become a soldier. Yeah. So the soldier that Joe was reporting to was a man named Gino Galestro. Galestro had met Joe while he was a bouncer at Fresca's Restaurant in Tontonville. And as the two of them got to know each other more, Galestro kind of felt like Joe was someone he could trust.

And which is like pretty big for a mafia person to trust you. Yeah. And on top of that, he knew that he was someone he could trust, which is pretty big for a mafia person to trust. Yeah. And on top of that, he knew that he was someone who would be interested in joining the family, if you will. And Gilles Strow also needed a favor. He had somebody that he wanted Joe to take out. He had told Joe that 39-year-old Robert McCullough, McKelvie, excuse me, who he claimed was another associate, had been bragging around town about being associated with the family and like different jobs that he got to be a part of. And on top of the bragging, Galestro also said that Robert owed him money.

Not a good thing, not good. So Galestro wanted Robert McElvy dead, and he wanted Joe, known among the family as Joe Black, to do it for him. Okay. So they settled on a price of what the FBI reports as $10,000, but literally almost every news outlet reports that as $8,000. So I'm not sure if the outlets reporting are considering the amount that Joe would have had to share with the family. And that's why the numbers are different. Like they take me off like a certain percentage. Yeah. But it doesn't really matter because no amount of money is worth a human's life. No.

Yeah. So it's going to get bleak here. I can feel it real bleak. The plan was put into motion on the night of March 29th, 2005 at the Chrysher mansion. Joe was there with a couple of other associates and somehow he was able to convince Robert McKelvie to come out to the property that night to chat with him, he said. Immediately upon arrival, Robert McKelvie was ambushed. As he walked through the front door,

Joe had been hiding behind the door of the foyer and he jumped out and stabbed Robert immediately. Oh damn. So Robert, McCelvie, tries running back outside and he actually makes it a little ways down the property, but Joe catches up, tackles him to the ground and starts trying to strangle him. Damn. Now, it was too much of a struggle for Joe to strangle him, so he started dragging Robert to the garden pond on the front side of the mansion

and drowned him to death. Holy shit. And like a shallow pond, which weirdly is grave shaped. Oh, that's so gross. So gross. So he stabbed him, strangled him, and then drowned him in a pond. In a pond, yes. Holy shit. Like a little garden pond. Oh, that's even creepier, I don't know why. It is creepier because it's supposed to be this really beautiful piece. Like, so mean. Like, people would sit out there and maybe have like tea. Yeah.

Right down, like, brutally drowning another human in there. You're just decimating the area. Oh. So when Joe was sure that Robert was dead, he went back inside to all the other guys that were there. And they all went back out together to drag Robert's body to a shed in the back. And now this is literally the most horrific part of this entire story, other than him being brutally murdered. They all went to fucking Dunkin' Donuts after this. Jesus. That's some mafia stuff right there. Are you joking me?

No. Just a quick snack break before heading to Home Depot to buy the supplies that they would need to dismember a human's body. My God. So when they got back to the mansion after their quick Duncan and Home Depot trip, they also brought along a mattress into the kitchen and then brought Robert's body inside to place on top of the mattress while they dismembered him so that the mattress would soak up all the blood. Oh, like they were very prepared for this.

I always just think whenever you like talk about the process here, like dragged a mattress in there, I'm like, hmm, what are you guys talking about? That's the thing. What was the vibe here? Because to me, it's like, oh, I don't like this. It's just like how support is kind of shit. Oh, just wait. And it's like, were you I don't like this. It's just like how support is kind of shit. Oh, just wait. And it's like, were you talking?

I feel like they were. I feel like they were. I feel like they were just chatting. I don't know what. Like that's the vibe I get here. What I'm like, did you bring your coffee? Like was your coffee? Yeah, just like your dunkin, your beautiful dunkin

was just sitting alongside while you like literally didn't work. you could possibly do. Just feels like so, it's so foreign to my brain to comprehend which is a good thing, should be to all of ours. But I just think about it and I'm like, what were you talking about? What were you doing?

I think about that in a lot of cases. What were you doing? How do you not, how do you just sit there and do this to a person? If I don't say, have a nice day to someone that I don't even know, like, I don't know, like, at the drive-thru or something, I'm like, well, I'm a shitty person, like, I'm gonna go to limbo forever because I suck, so. I'm on my way to purgatory because of that. That's really funny. On my way to purgatory, like, can we put that on a shirt?

I love that. I really like that. On my way to purgatory. Like, that spoke to me, right? I feel that. Because I think I'm on my way there because I don't think I have a good I love that. I really like that on my way to Perkatory. That spoke to me, right? I feel that. Because I think I'm on my way there. Because I don't think I have a good day every time. I actually did very, I was just gonna say you wave at everybody. Yeah, I'm friendly.

But when I'm having a day and I don't wanna be friendly, like, I think that's bad. And I'm like, these people could take themselves to this level of place. I don't know. I cannot. So they finished just remembering the body. And they brought what was left down to the

mansion's basement and burned the remains in the furnace. Oh. Eventually, they discarded the ashes and whatever was left, like, including bone fragments into the septic tank. Oh. Yeah. And after that, they had about a year to go about their own lives knowing full well that they had murdered a man and just brutalized his body.

Descended his. I know I already said that's what I'm gonna say it again. So, but you can say it. You know what, that's smart. Yeah. I got a, you like, sparing that a very, kind of varied up. So Robert McElvie sister reported in missing

very quickly after the murder, but the police took a while to figure out what happened, most likely knowing that organized crime definitely played a role into this missing person's case. Smells fishy. It does. It wasn't until a year after Robert McKelvie was killed that the police actually learned what happened to him. And they learned what happened to him because another associate of the banana crime family

named, I don't know if it's Stephen or Stefan. I'm going to say Stephen. Go with it. And the last name is Chacali. So Stephen Chacali became what the mob would call a turncoat. Oh. And he started cooperating with the feds to save his own skin, which is a scary thing to do if you're in the position that he's in, I'm sure,

but a great thing to do because they could actually discover like a man's body and, you know, no one happened, at least like his family, I mean, it's horrible that his family has to know what happened, but they don't have to wonder where he is, you know what I mean? Exactly, you wanna know some horrible situation. It's really no good here.

There's no positive outcome. Yeah, so the police were coming in hot on his tail and he obviously knew that telling them everything horrible situation. It's really no good here. There's no positive outcome. Yeah. So the police were coming in hot on his tail, and he obviously knew that telling them everything about the murder that happened in the Chrysier mansion would at least get him some kind of deal in this case. So he spilled everything he knew to the authorities, everything that I just told you. And then they had to go out to the mansion, obviously, to verify this story. So while they were investigating at the mansion, all of the evidence piece together and told them the same story that he had.

There were bone fragments and what they described as personal effects of Mikkelvi found in the septic systems, excuse me. Mikkelvi's blood had actually stained one of the stairs leading down to the basement. Wow. Unfortunately,hmm. Unfortunately, the furnace, though, had been replaced since the murder, because before this investigation even started, there were plans to convert the mansion and use the land around it for an assisted living facility for seniors.

Thank gosh, that hadn't happened yet. Can you imagine? Like, they're having to clear all these senior citizens out of this place to investigate a brutal, yes, a both murder. Like imagine they got that that happened, yeah. So the fact that they weren't gonna be able to get any evidence from the furnace really wasn't too much of a hit

for the prosecution working the case, because they had so much other evidence from other parts of the mansion. And they had an informant wrapped around their fingers at this point. He was gonna testify as well when the time came. Obviously, you gotta testify if you want that deal. Oh boy.

So the time came in May 2006 for all the men involved to be arrested and indicted on charges of murder, assault, arson, robbery, carjacking, loan-sharking, and illegal firearm possession. So like a very light list. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Joe Black, Gino Gillester, Gillester, excuse me, Steven's... Yeah, I said Steven Chacalli, and two other mob associates

were all named in the indictment. So there were two other men there that night. Jesus. I'm like, I just don't want to say too many names. I was, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I'm like, I just don't want to say too many names. I was, I was, I was just, I was, I was just, I was, I was just, I was, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just

I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was 20 years in prison, which people were like, that was lenient, but yeah It was really I think it was just like the charges that he had that was the best they could do. Yeah Now the informant obviously testified against all of the men involved in the case And he was eventually let out of jail with time served and was quickly ushered into the witness protection program I was gonna say. What a deal. You're there for a fucking murder.

You snitch and then you become a rat and then you just get to... And then you get like the deal of a lifetime. You literally, exactly. You get to start a whole new life. How? Okay, yeah, I'm glad you said that. This man gets to start a whole new life.

While he was there, while in involved in the process of taking away another man's life. Yeah. Like I understand that you gotta give and take a little in these cases, but that seems incredibly unfair to me. Oh yeah, there's no black and white injustice here.

There's not. I actually- It just needs a bunch of gray area. I thought about how fucked up that was that he got to go in the witness protection program. Like I think that's fucked up. But when you really think about it, it's like, wow. Yeah, exactly.

Like the whole thing is just... That is not fair. Woof. So Joseph Young was convicted, not only on murder charges, but on what would make up an entire double-sided PDF of other charges. I'm gonna tell you, all of which had been committed while he was working under Gino. He had attempted to set a car on fire because the owner of the car had

like crossed Gino in some way, of course. He robbed an illegal massage parlor in New Jersey at gunpoint. He had illegally obtained fire arms and then taken them across state lines and also scratched off the serial numbers. He had literally burned down a home in January of 2006 while two people were sleeping inside. Oh my god. Luckily nobody died, but one person almost died of a heart attack. Yeah, that's like attempted murder. Truly. He also extorted somebody from any and October of 2005, which I'm sure there was a lot

more of that going on. Oh, I'm sure. Just like not reported. Just once in 2005. Yeah, just a time. He dabbled in that real quick. He conspired to rob a pizza place, of course. He assaulted a man with a police issue baton in a crowbar because the man

was a mechanic whose business rivaled another fellow crew member. They broke his kneecaps that night. Oh, yeah, I can't even say that without my kneecaps being like, don't hurt me. And carjacking. My God. Yeah.

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That motherfucker had a my space. Everybody had a my space. I know everybody had a my space. He's like, he had a my space. Why is that so much? I'm of my space. Why is that so much? I'm a spars. Why is that so funny? I don't know, but you got a guess. What is the occupation was consultants? No, they said, what was your occupation on my space listed as and his response in court testimony is death.

He thought that he was some slick-ass mother fucker. What? And listed his Myspace occupation as death. I do death for a living. Go fuck yourself. I take lives for a living girl you're on Myspace. Like, what? Tom would not approve.

I'm all of that. I love that. I do wonder, like, was his top five, like the his fellow crew members? That's the thing, like, what? Nothing, I'm still stuck on the MySpace. I know. You're not wrong.

Did he have like a profile song? Was there, did he know HTML? What do you think his profile song was? Did he also learn coding? Like the rest of us just to make your profile cool? Girl, I just learned copy and paste. I'm, I, I'm truly, I'm speechless. That he had of my space.

I know everybody had of my space, but like, I know everyone had of my space. You know what you're right. I need to, I didn't even think of what his my space song would have been. Oh my God, that's the first thing I thought of. The first thing I thought of was what his quote was. Oh my God, you're like awakening all these different things that I forgot about.

Oh yeah, my intent, like, we had a playlist. You want to talk me how to put a playlist on the list. Hell yeah, I just, I wasn't just settling for one song. No, that's wild. One time I had this song, I think it's called Baby by Me by 50 Cent. It's like, how about baby, baby, baby, be a millionaire. Keep in mind, Ash was like 4.5 years old. Yeah, I think I was like honestly like 13. Like way too young. I did love Fiddy, but my mom left

me a note. I had that song and then I had music is my hot sex. Yeah, I like at like 13 and my mom left a note on the computer desk that said inappropriate. Please remove it. And actually she wrote music is my hot hot sex question mark question mark question mark question mark. Please remove inappropriate. And I was like, you know what? That's a parenting win. You like you know what?

Parenting win your valid fair. That woman. Other things not so much anyways. Well, I'll never get over that. Yeah, he elisted it. Not the music is my hot hot sex. I mean, I'll never get over. I mean, we'll never get over this guy having a Myspace. Yeah, he did. He did. We just like the rest of us. So many questions and like death. Like, wow, you're not cool. So he explained to the court, quote, I committed the crimes in this case because I'm an irresponsible person,

completely and totally. I have no excuse. Okay, you, correct, you don't have an excuse. I like to think of myself as a little ear, well, I don't like it. I was gonna say you liked it. But I'm like honest with myself and I do think of myself as a little ear

responsible from time to time, like not really anymore, but I don't think I would describe what he did as irresponsible. I'm irresponsible. That's why I murdered someone. That's why viciously murder people. I'm an irresponsible guy.

I'm just so irresponsible. I just don't like responsibilities. No, that's like evil. Like sir, wrong. No. Now obviously, we're talking about somebody with a family here. Yeah? Like Robert McElvy had a family talking about somebody with a family here. Yeah.

Like, Robert McElvy had a family, and they loved him. Of course they did. And his sister, who reported a missing, said, he was being a big shot because these guys impressed him. My brother was not a gangster. He was a stupid kid, but he was not a member of the Bonano Crime family. He was a stupid kid that was just very impressed with the gangsters. Oh, that hurts my heart.

For some reason, I got like chills reading that. Because you just think of like, the way she's describing them is like, my brother's just a stupid kid. Like my kid brother. I was just impressed by these guys. Like, that hurts. It does.

Because you just like know that that's like a real thing. Of course. And that's like a sister being like, that's how you do talk about your brother. Oh my god, you're a stupid kid, but like. Right. He's not a bad guy. you're a stupid kid, but like, right, he's not a bad guy. He's a stupid kid, but he just got wrapped up

in something that was so much bigger than that. That's sad. And I can only imagine that while he was alive, like she was like, come on, like you gotta get out of this. Yeah, I'm like, do you wanna get wrapped up? You don't have to opt up with this stuff. And it's so horrible to think that like, this happened. Yeah, it's so sad.

Absolutely. So my heart goes out to his family. Yeah. But when Joseph Young went to prison, obviously a new caretaker had to be hired. And a man named Rick Raspoli was the lucky winner. I'm fucking obsessed with Rick Raspoli, just like I know. I'm going to risk.

I will show you a video of Rick Raspoli. If you hop on to YouTube and check out the inside edition video, he's the guy giving the tour of a mansion. Everybody go do that because we will all collectively fall in love with Rick. Amazing. There's just something about him.

Something about Rick. Something about Rick. But before he was the caretaker of the mansion, he was actually a concert promoter in charge of putting on different events at the mansion. Now, I'm not sure whether he was the one to like orchestrate this event or not, but in 1998 the B-52s performed on a lot of pressure mansion. That's so random. I love shack, baby, I love shack. Wow. Like love that. Love that a lot.

More than I love, not more than I love Rick. I love Rick. I feel like Rick's great. Yes, so you just wait. So when Rick first took on the caretaker job, he worked alongside a woman named Elizabeth Burino, and the both of them say that one day, they walked into the mansion and guess what they heard? A door slam. Yes, they were door slamming, like multiple door slamming.

And they heard a woman crying. Oh, that's sad. Could it be freed up? People always hear a woman crying. Maybe it is. I think it is. I think it could be. Now, during their time at the mansion, obviously, people have told them tons of different

stories about the hauntings. They say there's been a woman spotted on the front porch from time to time wearing like Victorian-era clothing. Oh, damn. And then this is so fucking creepy. They say that you'll hear scratching coming from the inside of a closet in the mansion because there are rumors that back in the day children used to be locked inside of closets as a punishment. What the fuck everyone? I really didn't want to look too much further into that to be honest with you. No, I'm just going to take their word.

Yep, just going to leave that there. But just to leave you with, I think I wrote down one last spooky story,, I think I wrote down one last spooky story, but I think there might be one more after this. This is a great story. Another woman who works with Rispoli, her name is Carla Gaur, or I think. She was working one day at the mansion,

getting ready for this like haunted hay ride. And they were putting it on like they do, the whole month of October, they do haunted houses. I wanna go. Yeah, exactly, same. But so she's getting ready for this, all the employees are around the actors, everything like that. And she kept seeing this little boy running around the property.

And he was pretty hyper and just like straight up having a good time running the muck. Muck, muck, muck. But everyone who saw him, including the person driving the tractor, was like really worried about him getting hurt. Yeah. He was like, I can't see everything. I can't just tear his out.

I can't have this kid running around. So they were like, is this someone's child? Does this belong to anyone? Does anybody know this one? So they thought that it was a specific actor's son. So they went over to her and they were like, hey, can you just keep an eye on whatever her kid's name was? And she goes, well, I left him at home today.

So I think he's good. So I think someone's keeping an eye on him. That's not my kid. Oh, she literally said I didn't bring him to work today. And then that kid was like unaccounted for. He didn't belong to anyone. Yeah, no. What's interesting about that story is that it's not the only time

people have reported seeing a boy like and the way they describe him is very similar all the time running around on the mansion grunt. They people see him all the time. I love that he's just having a fucking blast. Me too in the afternoon. It's just vibing. Yeah. A lot of people wonder if it's one of Baltazar's children with either Caroline or Matilda that died when they were little. Because remember, baltazar and Caroline's son Henry died at six and that people say this kid looks like she's right around the age. Yeah, right around then. But also Matilda and baltazar had two children that didn't survive into adulthood.

So it could be one of those children. Maybe. Just playing out their brother Charles' house for a little sake. Just vibing. I love it. So yeah, the latest on the Chrysler Mansion is that it went on the market in 2021 for $7.4 million.

No, you're shit. And it's supposed to be bid at on an auction. Now the end goal, which I don't know, kind of bums me out, I think it's gonna bum you out too. The end goal is to build condos on the land surrounding the mansion. No. And it's for active adults is how it's described.

No. Do you think that's like 55 and older? Yeah, that feels like that's what I thought. That's what that is. And they think that so they're going to do like condos around it and they'll have the mansion kind of be like the common room, like the common place. I literally hate this.

To gather for like meals and games. No, I hate it. I don't really like it. No. I mean, maybe bulges are, and the Christchurch is what I'm gonna have you about it because they did like giving back to the community. Yeah.

But it just, I don't know, it doesn't feel right to me. I think it should just be like a museum. Me too. Like turn it into like keep it. Keep doing the haunted hay ride. Keep on the haunted shit. Keep it up.

Mm-hmm. Just keep it up. Yeah. Come on. Just keep it up. Yeah, come on. I don't do that. Well, the Isaac, Isaac there wants to sell it because he has a lot of West Coast projects going on, and I think he's just ready to kind of like put this into different hands. But I haven't seen any update since last June. But a few articles that I read on the, like, on the ongoing project pointed out that Isaac Yomtovian

will have to get a couple different permits since the mansion is a landmark. Yeah. So I guess that makes things tricky and maybe that's why there hasn't been an update. Why don't we all, every single person listening right now has been together. Yes.

Let's all chip in 10 bucks. 10 bucks. Let's buy that mansion. Let's buy that mother fucker mansion. Let's buy that mother fucker. It's turning into it. It's fucking glory. Yeah, like we can just museum and fix up whatever. I think Isaac took great care of it Yeah, from the sounds of it. So we'll just keep it like a museum. Oh, like don't build on the land around it Yeah, I can't be used for like being good night. Yeah, I don't I can't I don't want that. I just doesn't feel right It doesn't and just like a little fun side note to end this on,

if you've been looking at pictures while we're kind of talking about this, you better not be driving. Yeah. Well, you better not be. But if the mansion looks familiar to you, it's because it's actually been on a few TV shows like they filmed on location here. Boardwalk Empire, Gotham and Bones have all filmed there.

Oh my God. Yeah, right? Look at that. And then of course, paranormal lockdown, ghost adventures, and a show called Haunted Encounters. Ooh. But apparently during the Boardwalk Empire filming, a few members of the cast and crew experienced like some paranormal shit.

People said that they felt like they were grabbed. There were props that would move on their own. Carmas would turn on and off with like nobody touching them. And some of them saw a little girl dressed in period clothing. Creepy. I don't love so creepy. I'm telling you ghost kids, totally 100%. That's where I'm out. And then I did watch, you should totally watch the paranormal lockdown

because they got a bunch of EVPs. One of them said, kill him. Oh, that's mafia shit. One of them said, I'm so sorry. Another one said, I'm Edward Kreischer. Nice to meet you. You know what I didn't say nice to meet you. I love that.

And then he's just like, what up? So they got an EVP and they thought that it said better watch out, which is like super creepy. But to me, it sounded like I got locked out. Oh, I like that. I thought you were gonna say it sounds like sand-todd being like you better watch out. Yeah, no.

I got locked out. I gotta listen to it. And so while they were there, they had a psychic come in, like a medium, and they performed a sands and they closed the portal Oh, they attempted to close the portal and they believe that they may have closed it and sent all the good spirits to the light And hopefully like sent the bad ones wherever they came from wherever the bad ones go exactly Damn so wild and oh about that little girl in the period clothing

Yeah, they felt like everybody that saw her felt like she was lost. Oh. Which I was like, oh no, is she like, that's really sad. Is she looking for someone? Like you need your parents. What's going on? And then again, on the haunted house side of things,

because of everything going on with the sale of the mansion, I'm not sure if they're doing the tours or not, but they did use to offer different time slots for tours during the day. And then of course at an elevated rate, you could do a nighttime ghost tour. Oh my God, I want to do that. I would do it.

I want to do it. Amazing. And they did the haunted stuff last year. Like they did all the haunted stuff in 2021. So I'm like, maybe. Maybe. Soctober. Maybe.

Road trip anyone. I want to go. I want to G. Oh, go, go. Oh. I want to go. I want to G. Oh, go, go. Oh, I want to do it. So that is the Chrysher mansion. It is fascinating. It really is.

Yeah, and just the fact that like so much went down at this place. And that's the thing. I'm like so much went down at this place and we're just going to turn it into like a place for active adults. Thank you. That's the weird thing to me. There's so much history in that place of like gnarly history too. It just doesn't feel correct to do that. I don't know. I mean, I understand like I guess people don't want it to be like a museum or something because they, I don't know if it's they're worried about like people breaking in when someone's not there. Yeah.

I can not understand the, I can definitely understand the thought process for sure. But like I don't understand, I'm just like, no. And I don't understand the other thought process of getting it into like a condominium place. No, I don't get sucks. No. We got to stop turning everything into condos. We got to get a little creative here. We don't need that many condos. No, there's so many fucking condos. So many. This art that you turning everything into condos. We gotta get a little creative here. We don't need that many condos.

No, there's so many fucking condos. So many, this art that you just crawled in with condos. That's not even an overstatement, it's really not. Yeah, I think we should all go on a road trip and maybe we should set up a protest. Let's do it, let's do it. We're all gonna do it together. I love you guys, we can do this.

We can do this guys. Let's do this. Let's do it. I should have done this in total ASMR because I'm officially losing my voice now. Well, that's perfect because we're at the end. Perfect. We hope you keep listening and we hope you. Keep it weird. But not so weird that you end every single episode with ASMR because imagine if we started doing that it would be kind of so spooky to be honest with you And it really fits with this spooky title of the Grasher Mansion episode

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