Morbid - Episode 376: Spooky Castles Vol. 2 Chillingham & Himeji Castles

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

Spooky Castles!!!! Alaina brings us to the UK to share the terrifying tales of Chillingham castle, which in all honesty should be renamed something so much more intense. She has 0 chill. Be f...orewarned that all kinds of torture is involved. Then Ash brings us to Japan’s Himeji Castle for the origin story of The Ring! SCARY!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:23 of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alina. And this is morbid! Hello! It is a spooky castle's addition of morbid. Woo! Hello. It is a spooky castle's edition of morbid. Castles. And let me tell you this one is gnarly. My castle is outrageous.
Starting point is 00:02:16 It's got lots of moida. Ooh. It's got hidden people hidden behind walls. It's got ghosties. It's got hanging trees. It's a lot. I'm glad that yours has all that because mine is a bit of just like a short story. Yeah, but it's the it's the story that inspired the ring. Ooh, we love it. I think you guys are gonna like this one. It's spooky season. We're trying to get spooky with it.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Spooky spooky spooky. It's officially October. It is officially. Officially. Exactly. So we'll just start right into it, I think. Do we have any other business? Business, do you? None. I don't think so, no business, station, none of that.
Starting point is 00:02:58 So my castle today is chilling him castle. Who's it chill? It's not chill at all. It's probably the most unshilled castle that has ever castled. It has no chill. Zero chill. Zero.
Starting point is 00:03:15 It's like, ooh, chilling. Oh, okay. Shilling ham, you know? No, like ham. I don't like ham either, but it's chilling. So there's that. It's found in Northumberland and the UK. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:03:27 It's paying up. I wonder if it's pronounced chillingam there, probably, because you guys like, you, whoop, right through that like ham. I'm probably unfortunately going to say it chillingam because I'm American and we, we ruin words. Chillingam. So I think it's chilling them, but we'll see. You guys let me know.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Now, this is a place where it has been referred to as, and this was by a priest there as the embodiment of evil. So there's that. It's said to be like the most haunted castle in Europe. Like damn, it's, yeah, it's got a lot of titles. It's said to be the most haunted castle in Europe. Damn. It's, yeah, it's got a lot of titles. And what's crazy about it is I remember when I was younger, I used to fucking love those paranormal investigator shows when I was younger.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Oh hell yeah. I would watch them all the time. And I remember watching the one that had the lady from Pulterguys, like narrating it. I think it's like, scariest places on earth. There's something like that? Yeah, I think that's exactly what it is. And chilling in castle was on that. And I remember specifically watching it
Starting point is 00:04:32 when I was little and being like, whoa, that place is fucked. And little did you know you'd be... Little did I know. He is late. So I was like excited to do this one, but my God, I had no idea the depths of which this castle is just soaked in tragedy. Oh. Soaked.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Awesome. I don't know why that sounds so gross, but it did. Soaked. Soaked. Like, it's soaked in tragedy. It just sounds gross. It's almost like moist. It's almost like what you said it's moist with tragedy.
Starting point is 00:05:01 It's moist with tragedy. This one is just... Now, it's crazy. Is that this castle has been around since the 12th century. And it was originally built as a monastery. Oh, but the Grey family has lived in this castle since 1246. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:05:18 And continue to live in this castle. A Grey Lady? Not really. Aw. Weirdly enough, I don't, I'd not, one that I saw, there's a lady. They don't call her a lady. They don't call her the gray lady though. There's a lot of ghosts.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Honestly, I'm actually kind of happy that there's no. Yeah, I feel like I've been done. It doesn't need one. Chili Him said, I'm too original for that. There is the Earl of Grey though, and I was like, like Earl Grey tea. Ooh, I love, good Earl Grey. So as of right now Sir Humphrey Wakefield owns it,
Starting point is 00:05:49 he is married into the Grey family, so it is still in that family. Is he the guy that you're watching the other day? Yes, I love him. And I love him too because I was watching a couple of like, you know, investigators go into this castle. And one that I saw, the host of it, I think her name was Yvette.
Starting point is 00:06:08 It was Yvette. And I said, I wish my name was Yvette. And she was like, so is this place haunted? And his response was, the whole castle is wonderfully haunted. And he said it like, uh, of course, wonderfully haunted. And he said, and we're very happy with it. And they're happy with us. And she was just like, okay. And then he was like, yeah, we just like, this is how it is. The way he speaks about it is just, this is, we have ghosts.
Starting point is 00:06:27 We live here and they live on the, like the grounds. If you have ghosts, you have everything. Exactly. Hey, oh. Plug, plug, plug, go listen to the, uh, to the end of the episode, and listen to ghost. Yeah. So what's kind of fun to do? Hey, oh, plug, plug, plug, plug, go listen to the, uh, two episode and listen to ghost.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Yeah. So what's kind of fun about this place is that it had a lot of like really famous visitors, a lot of kings, a lot of like famous soldiers and all that. And King Edward, the first who is called the hammer of the scots. Don't love that. He thought. Yeah, you know what, we're, take like quick little side note, I'm Scottish.
Starting point is 00:07:11 So this kind of sucks, this whole thing, because I feel I wanna visit this place so bad, like so bad after reading all of this. I call this. It's calling me, but I also feel like I'm gonna feel very like, ooh, scared. It's just like, ugh I also feel like I'm gonna feel very like, oh, it's just like, and you look Scottish even. Now you just look Scottish.
Starting point is 00:07:30 With your red hair and everything, but it just feels like there's a lot of sadness with Scottish people in here. As we'll see. Okay. So King Edward I, he was called the hammer of the Scots. Good for him. He actually took a little, we'll stop by chilling him in 1298 on the way to battle with William
Starting point is 00:07:51 Wallace. Oh, shit. William Wallace and Praveheart, exactly. Now in 1344, Sir Thomas to Heston was able to secure the license to cremolate the castle. Basically, that's fortified for battle, It's turned it into an official stronghold. And when this was done, it got its dungeons. It's secured, it had like secure battlements and torture chambers.
Starting point is 00:08:15 It became fully fortified. Now, and actually, you can see the original papers for this license to crena-late in the castle today. That is cool. From 1344. That's insane. Like what? There's so many original documents in there and original like artifacts and everything. It must be outrageous to see. So this was this place was in the middle of a lot of border wars.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Chillingham castle was between England and Scotland. And it had to be refurbished and like rebuilt a little bit, a ton. But it remains mostly original. There was really just stuff added on. Cool. Now during the many different restorations to the castle, they have found a ton of bodies, a ton. Not cool.
Starting point is 00:09:01 In the walls, in dungeons, in stairwells, in hidden places, like, tons of skeletons and remains. And in fact, in the 19th century, a man and child skeleton, both of their skeletons, were found together. And it was in what appeared to have been like a little crawl space near the dungeon. And it looked like they were hiding underground. Oh. Yeah, and people think they were hiding from like one of the attacks and just couldn't get out. Oh, man. So sad, but it was found like very recently and they keep finding them.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Anytime they do any restoration of this castle, a body pops up. That's bonkers. Yeah. So then there was another body that was found kind of recently near the dungeons as well. And it was just a man, so they broke down this wall. And behind it was just a man sitting in a chair. Moody. Like just sitting in a chair.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Bernie Sanders. Like truly just like with the mittens. Like, but I guess like, like they weren't able to preserve him very well because he had been very preserved in there, but then the air came in and it like ruined everything. Fucking air, you know. Fresh air is for dead people. It makes up the paralleling of the Swiss case.
Starting point is 00:10:12 No, this is really interesting. This is not super scary. It's just very interesting to me. Well, scary, I guess. Okay, I'll be the judge of that. Chelling him castle is also very famous for its wild white cattle. I don't know if that's scary.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So let me get, I'll tell you. Now apparently these wild white cattle have lived on the Chilling him park like a state since 1220. Whoa. Like not the same cattle, but like they're descendants. I was like, we got zombies. Like what the fuck? That is scary.
Starting point is 00:10:44 I said, cattles. C Like what the fuck? That is scary. I said, cattles. Cattles. Probably way before that too. Like they've been here forever. They used to be hunted, but today that's not allowed. And in fact, they're not allowed. There's a warden that watches over them
Starting point is 00:10:59 and kind of just keeps distance, but like let's them do, I think. They have literally not had any human intervention. Never have. They've never been handled. Wow. They're completely wild. And they just freely live at chilling him.
Starting point is 00:11:13 There's like a big wall that goes around where they are, but it's like a huge space. That's beautiful. And according to the chilling him, Castle official site, quote, they are the only wild cattle in the world. Soul survivors of herds that once roamed the forests of Britain, once they were held sacred and pre-Christian pagans sacrificed them to their gods. Later in their history, this
Starting point is 00:11:36 herd both defended and fed the castle. Now these cattle also are still potentially dangerous and can only be visited with the warden, who will take you as close as safely possible and explain their more recent history in way of life. Remember, they are rarer than any endangered panda or mountain gorilla and are simply the only wild cattle in the world. That is so fucking cool. Isn't that cool?
Starting point is 00:12:02 And I love them. I thought it was really cool. And the reason why I said it's like a little scary is because they're like a little scary. And like the reason why I said they were scary is because like they're kind of scary. Because they're like dangerous. Yeah. Like they can fuck you up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And like a while, even the warden won't co-near them. So it's like that's a little scary. I want to be that kind. I want that reputation. The Warden will only take you as closest to the field safe. And they're like white cattle, so you just feel like they're these ghostly, just like protectors of this castle. I just feel like it's like a cool vibe. It's very heavy metal.
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Starting point is 00:15:04 What is he up to? So John Sage was Edward I head torturer, I suppose. Like, he was like, He was like, He was like the primo torturer. Okay. He was terrible, like a terrible, terrible person. But good, like torture.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Very good at torture, but he was a true beast of a human and he loved his job. The way that they've probably just got like people, people worse than the people that were being tortured. Oh, 100%. Like you're like, what is happening? Yeah. And what's crazy? So he always hated the scots.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Oh, get some fuck out of here. So John Sage can get flut. Yeah, I didn't mention it before, but I too, I'm Scottish. So fuck this man. So he took a lot of pleasure in making sure their deaths were long and harrowing. He was also just a really angry man because he was not satisfied with his own life and situation because he was actually a lieutenant in the military. He was like a huge, like really great soldier. He was like, edwards, you know, king edwards, like, top man. But then he got injured in battle, and his leg was left maimed.
Starting point is 00:16:18 And he basically had to drag it along as he walked, and it ended his career in the military, thus why he became pre-torture extraordinaire. How is that the Scots fault? I don't know. He's dumb. Sounds just like a freak accident. He's the worst.
Starting point is 00:16:33 I don't even think that's why you hated the Scots. No, he just hated Scots and then he also got his leg fucked up. So he was mad that he had to like, fuck the stop being in battle. I think that was the thing he liked being in battle. Now, legend says, this is really funny. This is not true just so you know, I did figure out the real, somewhat real number.
Starting point is 00:16:53 I kept seeing these things that said that he killed 75,000 men, women and children over his three year period, said, torture. And when I saw it, I was like, oh, no. I would say that is so. So, over embellished. That's not what one would hope at least. So, that's literally impossible
Starting point is 00:17:17 because it means he would have likely killed by torture like 480 people a week for three years. But I did find like actual sources who claimed or like 480 people a week for three years. But I did find like actual sources who claimed that it was said that he did torture at least 50 people per week. Holy cow. In the three years. And that makes more sense like that.
Starting point is 00:17:37 But it's still wild, like still insanely wild. But they said, I think that whoever, when I saw like the 75,000, I was like, I think that was a typo of my dude. Because it's more likely around the 75 hundred in his three years, but that's still a lot of people. Many, many folks. Many. Now, either way, he was terrible. He had some nicknames, the butcher of the Scots.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Lame. Also drag foot because he dragged his foot. No comment. And the original torture chamber where he felt most at home in the castle was actually under the tea room. What is the tea room now? It was not relaxing. No, definitely not. Like you're just having tea up there. Well, like this terrible shit is happening. People are just like screaming. Yeah. And you're just like, could you pull me a piece of cloth of tea, love? Like, what? I love it.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Could I get some El Grey, El? El. Please. Kill it. No. The torture chamber itself was built with a sloping floor so that the blood would drain to one side of the room. Efficiency.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Yes. We're all about efficiently. Now, this original one, one though was sealed off. You cannot go in this original torture chamber. I mean, I didn't want to. I sure did. But the reason that it's sealed off is even scarier. It was open before. And there was a seance performed down there. Something really bad happened that I could not find what. But everybody talks about this. What? And they sealed it off. And they said, whatever's down there.
Starting point is 00:19:06 They sealed down there. Did they seal everybody in the silence down there? Well, they also think there's a ton of human remains down there. Oh, that's fucked. And they sealed off because something really bad happened down there. And that's why we don't fuck with Ouija boards. But who knows if they used a Ouija board? A silence doesn't necessarily need a Ouija board. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's why I don't with Ouija boards. But who knows if they used a Ouija board? A Sance doesn't necessarily need a Ouija board.
Starting point is 00:19:26 I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's why I don't use Ouija boards because you open up portals and they definitely opened up some kind of motherfucking portal. I don't know, maybe they did something else. So that opened up portal. Well, you can do a Sance and not have a Ouija board. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not saying they had a Ouija board.
Starting point is 00:19:43 I'm just saying that's why I don't use Ouija boards because the portals, but like, I'm saying that's why you don't use those because the portals. And then like sayons is also the portals. The portals are real. You can't fuck with me or you can not fuck with me on the portals, but they're real, okay? No, I, I have like, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:02 I've always been very neutral with Ouija boards. I'm trying not for again. I'm trying to get boards. I'm trying not to get you with the boards. Because I know I'm gonna be with you some day, some day somebody's like, what's the board? And you're gonna be like, what's the worst that could happen? I'm gonna be like, get the fuck out of here. The portals.
Starting point is 00:20:21 I get the portals. The portals, dammit. I wish you had said this when we brought this up to Javias on the Tobias 4 episode. I was nervous. I wish you had said the portals. I would not have done that because I think he would have left the zoom. He probably would have. He was no, he absolutely would not have. Because he's a nice, nice, a bleie.
Starting point is 00:20:41 But, nice man. But I was just thinking about it. That's really funny. Anyway, that's why you do a huge abort or say on says, thank you for coming to my talk. But you know what, they did. They've something got fucked up and look what happened. The torture chamber is sealed the fuck off and we can't go in there.
Starting point is 00:20:58 I'm sure there's another one. I want to go, there is. So you're wearing a few. But you know what, Castle doesn't just seal off a torture chamber and then say, that's it, no more torture. Yeah, you know chilling him was not like, well, we're done, I guess. They're like, we have one in the East Wing.
Starting point is 00:21:12 So the castle was the first place that basically was there to stop invading scots from completing any kind of invasion over the border. It was basically the first line of defense. So these people were taken in as prisoners and then thrown in the dungeon and the torture chambers. And they would be questioned later in very unethical ways by John Sage, you know? So in this new torture chamber set up,
Starting point is 00:21:39 they have right now where you can go visit, they have all of his instruments of torture there, like original ones. I would not touch that. right now where you can go visit. They have all of his instruments of torture there, like original ones. I would not touch that. The rack, the chair, the wheel, other implements of pain. They have the cages where they would put like hungry rats into.
Starting point is 00:21:54 What? And then those cages would go on the prisoner and they would heat them up and the rat would like burrow into your flesh. Yes, she. She threw you. See our torture episode. Yeah, I think we talked about that one.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Now, he, John Sage, also, you know, he was very innovative. Oh, good. We'll give him that. I guess. We love when a man like that is innovative. But he also invented his own torture method. I knew that was coming. He was always thinking.
Starting point is 00:22:20 And he liked to perfect these on prisoners weekly. So he would just keep trying it until it worked. Most notably, he created the barrel. It was literally a barrel, but on the inside, it was completely covered with nails on the inside. I think you can probably tell where this is going. I can. The person would then be placed in there
Starting point is 00:22:40 and then rolled from one end of the torture chamber to the other. Nor. This would be done over and over and over, and the person would be just demolished in there. Literally skinned alive, and he wouldn't stop until they were completely skinned alive in there. Who hurt this man? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:00 But they were sealed then into the barrel to just slowly die and agonizing death into the in the barrel Like covered in nails and they wonder where the plague came from yeah So when he wasn't using machines and other things that he had invented he would just boil people alive He would starve people to death. He would break people's arms and legs stab them to death and pale them gouge their eyes out And then when they were just on the brink of death break people's arms and legs, stab them to death, and pale them, gouge their eyes out. And then when they were just on the brink of death, sometimes he would just toss them down into the uble-at,
Starting point is 00:23:31 which is a 20-foot drop. I love inubliate. It's a place to put people to forget about them. Yes. As hoggle, he knows. Yes. That's what an uble-at is. I like that.
Starting point is 00:23:44 I like an uble-at or like a moon door. Oh yeah, a moon door, I love it. That's what that is, right? Yeah Yes. That's what an ubleot is. I like that. I like an ubleot or like a moon door. Oh yeah, a moon door. I love it. That's what that is, right? Yeah, in the game of thrones. Yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I don't know if they actually had moon doors in there,
Starting point is 00:23:54 but like, ubleots are real. There's a few people I would toss down a moon door. Hell yeah. No, I'm totally kidding. Now, in the ubleot in Dungeons, there's actually still like scratches in the wall, where prisoners would either mark off how long they had been down there by, like, scratching into the wall, or they would scratch just, like, messages of pain and suffering into the
Starting point is 00:24:14 walls, and it's still there. Oh, that's a lot of energy, like, being placed into those walls forever. Yeah. Also, according to a ton of sources that I found, if you look down there into the obliad, I don't know why you would ever do that. You can still see bones in human remains. Yeah. Like, they're still down there.
Starting point is 00:24:32 That's so sad. I know. That's like really, really sad. It's really sad. Now, today, they also have, I kept seeing in all the videos that I was seeing of this place and like, I kept seeing these little tiny coffin covers that are like, of surrounding, they're kind of like leaned up against the perimeter
Starting point is 00:24:49 of a room. I think it's like, in one of the, not the great hall, I don't think, but one of the dining rooms. If you can't get you some crown mold in, they get tiny little coffins, there you go. But on each coffin, there was this little white sign, and it said something, and I kept trying to find a video where I could see it, and I finally found one where somebody was like, and it said something, and I kept trying to find a video where I could see it,
Starting point is 00:25:05 and I finally found one where somebody was like showing what it said on there, and it was just the various ways, some of the various ways, how they would torture prisoners in this castle. It is gnarly, and I'm going to read you some, please do. Now, I was able to see, so the first one said, some had all their flesh torn with the claws of wild beasts. What? The next one said, some were hung by one hand with the weight of lead at the heels. So they were hung by one arm and then their feet were weighted. Oh.
Starting point is 00:25:40 It just ripped that one arm. Oh. Yeah. Then I saw one that said somewhere hung upon Tenterhooks. That's a Tenterhook. And it showed a photo of this guy with like a hook in his chin, like basically under his chin, like into your neck and he's just hanging there by like this tiny little hook. And I was like, what the fuck is a Tenterhook? And what I found when I looked it up,
Starting point is 00:26:03 because I was like, I need to know what that is. I didn't come across that in my torture episode, what the fuck is that? She's like, let me tell this to the masses. Yeah. So I guess there's a saying that means like, you're on Tenterhooks. And it's means that you are anticipating something,
Starting point is 00:26:18 like painfully, like you have anxiety about something, like, ooh, I've been waiting on Tenterhooks for this. You know, like that's weird. That's a thing. These were actually hooks used for drying out sheep's wool. That's what they originally for. Like you would pull the cloth tot, and then there were four hooks on either like around
Starting point is 00:26:36 this contraption, and those were the Tenterhooks. So what they would do at chillingham, so these were not creative for torture. They were creative for drying out sheep's wool. Yeah. Well, not at chilling ham. They were like, we use every part of the fucking tender at go berserking ham. Literally. Oh, what the fuck? That's what they should have called chilling ham. This should be called what the fucking ham. This one should be called berserking ham. They would hang you by your chin or neck on one of these and you just blood and drowned in your own blood
Starting point is 00:27:10 while your fucking head ripped off this hook. Chitting ham. Shooting ham. It's like, what the fuck? That's absolutely terrible. Another one said you could stop. Some head sharp reads thrust under their nails and other parts of their body.
Starting point is 00:27:27 I don't like it. Next one. Some hung up on a tree by their middle until they died of hunger. So they would tie a rope around your torso and hang you there by a tree, like from a tree. No. So you were hanging by your torso
Starting point is 00:27:43 and then they would just leave you to starve. That's horrific. The next one is the worst one I have ever heard of. And I was like, please tell me you didn't really do this chilling ham. They said, yeah, what we thought we did. A woman would be hanged, and then her daughter would be hanged from her hair.
Starting point is 00:28:02 What? They would tie a noose of her hair around her child's neck and hang her and then hang the child off of her. What the, who comes up with that? John Sainz. He came up with that. I'm pretty sure. What?
Starting point is 00:28:18 He was chilling him, dude. What would, like, what would the punishment be for that? Like to receive that? I have no idea. What would that be the punishment for? I think it to receive that. I have no idea. What would that be? I think it was just four. That's the thing. These weren't like typical medieval tortures
Starting point is 00:28:30 where it was like, oh, like, heresy. So you get this. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you were adulterer. No, you were just Scottish. What? So it was not like, oh, you get the rack because you did this. It was like, oh, you're Scottish
Starting point is 00:28:44 and you're in my torture chamber. Hmm. What do I feel like doing today? And it was literally like his whim. If he felt extra fucking spicy, he would do something like that. If he felt like he just wanted to be like nostalgic, he would put you on the rack.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Like it was just like, though. Totally up to the whim of this fucking lunatic. Yes, John Sage. like an actual lunatic. The next one I saw was some burned with straw tied around them to cover their nakedness. What the fuck, like don't let them be naked, but we can burn you alive. Then some were put in the ground up to their chin
Starting point is 00:29:21 to be starved to death. So buried up to your chin in the ground and then just starved to death there. What? And then the last one was some buried alive. And I was like, Oh God. Oh okay, right to the point. The worst fear. Yeah. So that was just like a little little snippet of what you do. And then you know, this guy would just like go eat dinner with everybody else that lived in the castle. And they're all like, today I washed the queen's feet. I ate some berries with the queen. John's like today. I hung a mother and then I hung the daughter By her hair and it's like okay, John
Starting point is 00:29:55 Fuck you, babe. I'm sorry No, I'd be like whoa John. I'd be like you're scary man And what do you do you're just like okay, John. I would pass that gravy faster than I ever pass. Yeah, sure. The gravy, John. What the fuck? I feel like this is actually your personal grovee. Well, it somehow gets worse.
Starting point is 00:30:13 No. But don't worry, because John also meets a fitting end. A grizzly end. So the fighting between the English and the Scottish did start to settle down at one point, obviously. And prisoners were not as abundant as they once were. Before it was like, they just had that. And even his cup overflow with prisoners at one point,
Starting point is 00:30:34 I hate that. But it was starting to get a little chiller. So John Sage took to attacking people in the town who he just felt looked like Scottish people. What? He would just attack people. Somebody stopped this man. Somebody stopped, don't worry, somebody did.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Good. But not before he does something really terrible. So even more really terrible things? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So now that the war began to end, they were going, they were trying to speak of like, what do we do with the prisoners we have in the castle?
Starting point is 00:31:02 Free them. The castle. I don't know why I said that. Within the castles. Within. The castle. I don't know why I said that. Within the castles. Within the castles. I don't know. It's the day. No.
Starting point is 00:31:10 We have a ton of prisoners in the castle. The biting is going to end. We should just release them. Like they were like, and that's what you do, I guess. Like, just let them out. And that's it. They've been tortured enough. I guess.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I'm just thinking of every after when he says, I said, release him. It's just like that. I bet somebody said that. And then John Sage was like, no. And he did something terrible because he said, I'm not gonna just allow them to walk out of here free. He felt like he had ownership of these people now.
Starting point is 00:31:42 They were his to do with what he wanted. So he rounded them up one night and brought the men, women, and some older like teens, basically that were in there, into the castle courtyard, where a bonfire was started. They had all been tied up and each of them were burned alive.
Starting point is 00:32:01 The younger children, the people who was like, this was their parents and their siblings, they were kept in what is now called King Edward's room, but they were put next to a window where they could look into the courtyard and see and hear their parents and siblings being burned alive and smell it too. Because there was a ton of them. What? So these kids, these young kids, like kid kids, were watching this happen, and then Sage went up into that room with an axe
Starting point is 00:32:35 and hacked all of the kids to death to make sure that they didn't grow up and seek their revenge on him. Because he was sure, if I allow them to leave, they will get older, they will want revenge on him. Because he was sure if I allow them to leave, they will get older, they will want revenge on me. Absolutely. And I will be too old to do anything about it, so I have to just kill them now. How did the war end after that? Yeah. Now what's crazy, apparently the acts he used is on display at the castle, which must be a wild thing to see. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:05 It's like in a stairwell, I guess, like hanging on a wall. I don't personally love that. It's history, man. Yeah. It's fucking terrible, but it must be wild to be like, that was, I mean, when was that? That was in the, like the 14-year-old. Yeah, like it's that old, but it's such a gnarly thing.
Starting point is 00:33:24 I'm like the energy attached to that thing. Yeah. I feel like if that is a thing, like energy being attached to things. Yeah. That's why I went, I just, that's not for me. Yeah, it just, that would be a wild thing to see. But the other prisoners before this,
Starting point is 00:33:42 when they would just be like tortured and killed in there, they were all, when they would just be tortured and killed in there, they were all, when they would just be tortured and killed in there. Not during this whole bonfire thing. They were just dumped into the lake next to chilling him. Thousands of hundreds of bodies at the very least in remains are at the bottom of that lake, like bones. What?
Starting point is 00:34:00 Just of prisoners that were dumped in there. There's just bones everywhere. Now, luckily, like I said, John Sage did get his in the action. And hit me with that news. He killed a young woman. And some say accidentally who he was said to have been in love with,
Starting point is 00:34:15 the story goes that they were getting busy on the rack. Because apparently they were into that. And he strangled her to death, but did not mean to. This woman, Elizabeth Charlton, happened to be the daughter of the leader of the border rivers, which was a gang of outlaws who were actually used in the war against the Scots. They aided the crown, and so they like ruthless, very highly skilled. So Edward the first heard about this,
Starting point is 00:34:48 this whole John Sage that Miss Hap, and decided he would much sooner lose John Sage and keep the border reavers on his side than to completely ruin a vital component of his war against the Scots and chance them turning against him and being on the Scots side and they would not be able to fight against them. I wish that had happened. So he was so what happened
Starting point is 00:35:12 was Edward the first had John Sage hanged in a public execution. But he wasn't just hanged. Good. He was not dropped to break the neck. He was just put there to strangle. And while he was strangling, they allowed people to come up and cut pieces of him off. So people came up and cut off his genitals, toes, nose, fingers, anything really that they could rip apart. He was literally dismembered while strangling to death. Wow. And it was a long time before he finally expired and people stayed until the very last beat. I believe it a thing called karma. Yeah, that was.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Oh, holy. So he got a, he got a pretty gnarly end. Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, His ghost is seen at the castle wandering the court yard. So if you run into him, run away, go to the other way, because I don't think that's great. What? But I want to know how they were like, all right, so it's not going to be a regular hanging. We are going to hang him, like longer, and longer. Also, what else could we do to like really fuck with them?
Starting point is 00:36:27 Okay, let's just tell people, be why okay. Bring your own life. Be why okay. Cut what you like. Yeah, just take what you want. Do you think it started off with like, you can cut his clothes? You can have a lace of the memory. Yeah, and then they were like, oh no, what if you can cut a little flesh?
Starting point is 00:36:42 Like, it went to flesh and then it was like, cut his nuts off. They're like, guys, drink it like a whole shit. You know somebody's Scottish cousin was in the fucking crowd the whole day. And was like, yeah. A lot of people were not happy with John Sage.
Starting point is 00:36:56 So I've a lot of people. And they watched, till the very end. They watched that play out. I mean, that's like real fucked up, but it's really like, that's a real fucked up thing. I'm like good. And then up, but it's really like that's a real fucked up I'm like good and I'm like But he was a really terrible human now We mentioned the Edward room the King Edward room, which is where all the kids were literally hacked to death
Starting point is 00:37:17 Also fucking yeah, yeah, not good. He just like let that happen. in this, this room is also known as the killing room. I bet it is. Obviously, this room is haunted as fuck and not just haunted, but really heavy, awful haunted. It's where, again, the kids were hacked to death and visitors say that they just feel incredibly sick and sad in this room. I would say.
Starting point is 00:37:41 And they leave, and they say that when they leave, it feels like they have been through trauma. Like they leave and they say that when they leave, it feels like they have been through, like trauma. Like they leave with like a heavy sadness. That makes sense. And there's also a smell of blood that everyone smells in there, like a very strong odor of blood that people will smell, like a rusty kind of smell. Really strong.
Starting point is 00:38:03 People have also been attacked in this room a lot, scratched, pushed, pinched, shoved, all, like hit. And there's a belief that there's a really malevolent and evil spirit in that room. Like really angry spirit in that room. And people have also seen and taken photos of like orbs that look like they have like kids faces in them. And they always look like terrified people here, kids screaming and crying in that room. It's all very not great. Can we bring somebody in to like move their spirits? I would not be psyched to stay there.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I'm not going to, I would not stay in that room. I'm like, I will not be staying in that room. Like I'm like, I'm actually taking a trip. I'm like, I'm not stepping foot in that castle. Meanwhile, that room. I want to go see the castle. I don't think I would want to stay there overnight. No.
Starting point is 00:38:50 I think that that would be a lot. I don't even know if I would want to see it in the daylight. I want to, but, you know, it's far away. But they do do done things with me. So I'll let you do some things with you. The other place that has a lot of activity is the chapel. Oh, I mean, this is mostly because human remains were found under the floor here. Oh, that'll do it.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Uh, two were found in a corner and another one was found near the stained glass windows. One of them was a little girl. And she is said to be the one now who plays with people. She likes to play with people now. She likes to play with women's hair, if you visit. I don't like that. There's a lot of energy in there and a lot of people say they can feel like a depression and illness when they go to where she was buried on the floor.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Oh, I wonder what happened to her. I know. And the thing is they don't know who these people are. Because there was just so many people killed. Yeah. But also when you go in the chapel, I guess electronics really go funky in here. Like I'm assuming there's not great service anywhere in this castle, but people do stream from there.
Starting point is 00:39:51 Like it's happened. Yeah. But people say when you go in the chapel, your battery will drain to down to zero. I don't like that. That's a spirit trying to get energy. To take that energy. To do something.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Well, and the owner likes their Humphrey. like a spirit trying to get energy to take that energy to do something. Well, and like the owner, like Sir Humphrey, he says that there's nothing bad happens in the chapel. No one feels like an evil or malevolent spirit. They just feel sadness when they go to where the the child was buried. But they said her spirit is like very sweet and like a happy presence, which is nice. Like when I say that, I don't even mean like do anything bad. Like that's just like spirits taking advantage of you
Starting point is 00:40:28 to even like communicate. Just to communicate or something. Yeah, but this is literally one of the only rooms in the house where the spirit is not like very angry. Like gonna fight you. Like gonna get mad at you. Like you're gonna catch these spirits. You're gonna catch those hands.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Apparently there's in the library, you will hear two men talking often, even when no one's around, and if you stop to listen to them, they'll stop. But if you just like continue doing whatever you're doing, they'll keep talking. Does it, what are they talking about? Nobody can really make it out, but that's the thing. If you try to like take a second to make it out, they stop. Oh, I'm a fucking prime time you've strappered. So you would just pretend you they stop. Oh, I'm a fucking prime time eavesdropper. So you would just pretend you were busy.
Starting point is 00:41:07 I think I could do it. I think you could. I have actually very good hearing as well. I wish you could just like shizzam it a little bit and just like put your phone. Shizzam it. I would love that. I would love that.
Starting point is 00:41:18 You never know. There's also a place called the stillroom, which is like the second, it's like a, I think it's almost like a pantry-ish kind of room, but it's not for like food, it's for like silver, like the fine stuff and it would be like protected in there. It's like a choy. The falling choyna.
Starting point is 00:41:34 This is near the dungeons and it is where an alleged witch was murdered. Oh, and a lot of the choos murdered. She also cursed the castle and said, anyone who took something from this place would have terrible luck. And now apparently people do take things because people are shit dumb. And they send them back or they'll come back to the castle to put them back. Apparently the castle has a lot of things that have been sent back and they have a table set up
Starting point is 00:42:00 of all the things, all the items, and notes from people apologizing to the witch. Oh my God. So shit must go down when they get home with that thing. I don't know why, but they bring it back. For me, that just reminds me of liquor stores that when you give them your fake ID, they make a wall of fake IDs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Yeah. You know, that's funny. Did you think of this? I kind of thought of that. I was like, what am I trying to think of? All right, cool. But yeah, that makes sense. But you think of it? I kind of thought of that. I was like, what am I trying to think of? All right, cool. But yeah, that makes sense. But it's a little different, slightly different.
Starting point is 00:42:29 But yeah, same vibe. Yeah, same vibe. You fucked up. You're gonna be shame now. Yeah, exactly. The next thing that I was really interested in were the hanging trees on the property, which you knew existed.
Starting point is 00:42:41 You know what that immediately gets? The sound on TikTok. From Hungry. From Hungry. and I used to really like that song and then I realized what that song was about Like I used to be like are you? Are you and then now I'm just like the hanging tree? You are still like I probably sing the wrong words. You know me. I was like hang at the tree Like let's buy that the tree That's probably what I thought it said. But I love that song, or I did, but now it freaks me out.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Because it's literally about hanging tree. Yeah. It's about a gallows tree. I don't like it. It's fucked up. It's very dark. It is. These hanging trees are embossed into.
Starting point is 00:43:23 I know. I didn't realize that until after. Pretty intense. I used to walk through that area every day of my life. That's actually where my engagement pictures are gonna be, so that's good. And then hanging trees. You guys are gonna vibe by the trees.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Yeah, we'll try to stay away from the trees. Yeah. So these hanging trees are a little different. They're the same for the same purpose, but they're not like the vibe of that song, I suppose. Okay, okay. There were three hanging trees on the property. And they were in the castle gardens
Starting point is 00:43:53 and along the main entry drive to the castle where they would hang prisoners. They would then just leave the body hanging there until it was rotten and it would just fall out of the noose onto the ground. They would just leave it days, weeks, months. It was like one of those things where it's like a blood would put your head on a stick as like a warning. Yeah. In fact, the bodies will still like bones will still surface when the weather changes.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Oh, sad is that there's just fall and get buried. And there's just so many lost souls. Yeah, that's the best. That's the best. And even outside of the castle. That's like, because the thing is you're like you think, oh, like some of these people must have been bad people if they were like tortured and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:44:38 But it's like, no, they were just so. They were just so. They were just there. I mean, yeah, that's the thing. Like a lot of them were just Scottish. I mean, yeah, that's the thing. Like, a lot of them were just Scottish. And like, sad is that. And it gets even worse because some prisoners were, they would do this thing where they would hang them by their feet so that their deaths were slower and somehow even more agonizing.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Yeah, more painful. And now people will hear screaming in cries of pain and also hear the sounds of ropes being tightened and struggled against, like that creaking sounds. And one of these trees still stands. The other two fell, but they remain on the ground. You can see them. And it's like you want to be like, okay, cut that tree down.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Like it shouldn't be up there, but that's a living tree. It's like, why didn't you do anything? Why did you make that tree have that legacy? Yeah, it's like that tree didn't want to do that. I'm such a fucking hippie. I'm like, that tree. You're like, that tree have that legacy? Yeah, it's like that tree didn't want to do that. I'm such a fucking hippie. I'm like, that tree. You're like that tree. It just doesn't do that.
Starting point is 00:45:27 But there was also a monastery nearby at the time and a group of monks one day actually came through the forest and they saw people struggling in the tree. And so they tried to free them because they're monks and they're like, we're gonna do that. They tried to free anybody who they found alive, but they got caught. And the soldiers responsible for hanging the prisoners
Starting point is 00:45:49 actually turned on the monks and hung them from the same trees next to the prisoners. What? Now the ghosts of monks can be found walking around the hanging trees in the grounds. How hunking. I got a chill just thinking about that. I did the whole...
Starting point is 00:46:03 Whomp! So, I have two more ghosts. I'm gonna end on the really like crazy one. The next one is Lady Berkeley. So she is the wife of Lord Gray of Walk of Gillingham. Gillingham. And she's pissed. Now, in 1682, Lord Gray abandoned her and their baby daughter and ran off with her fucking sister. Oh, fuck him.
Starting point is 00:46:44 And her sister's name was Henrietta and Henrietta with her fucking sister. Oh, fuck him. And her sister's name was Henrietta and Henrietta can also get fuck fuck you. Henrietta. Fuck you. And so she was left alone with the baby daughter in the castle. She ended up dying in the castle in 1710, like, lives the rest of her life. But people hear the rustle of fabric of her dress in the hallways, like somebody walking through and you can hear the like big crinoline dress. And she always brings very cold air when she arrives and we'll leave a trail of it and people are like, she is fucking pissed. That is what I'm gonna do when I dip. I just want to make everything cold. I'm gonna Elsa the shit off. Yeah. And really, this life and just be like burr. Yeah, you're gonna be like, he let it go.
Starting point is 00:47:25 I don't think so. I'm gonna shoot some toros into the atmosphere. Oh, yeah. How about that? I love it. Now, the last one goes to, I'm gonna talk about, blew my mind. Oh gosh.
Starting point is 00:47:37 This ghost is called the Radiant Boy. Oh. This is a child's ghost. He is seen often in the pink room and like at the place around the pink room. And he just wails and screams in pain. Oh, and he can be heard at midnight. And you can hear them in the passageway beneath the tower
Starting point is 00:47:57 between the tower and the pink room usually. And sometimes visitors will actually see this like blast of light or like a halo of light there. They refer to it as, and this like boy will come forward and he is wearing blue. He is crying and he will walk towards you like if you're laying in bed or something, he'll walk towards you in the pink room. And then he just stares at you like and he's crying and then just walks back to the wall
Starting point is 00:48:23 and disappears. Does anybody comfort him? Well, now, so you hear that and you're like, oh my god, that's so sad. This is also proven. What? Because later in the 1920s, the remains of a young boy were discovered behind the wall in a corridor that is between the tower and the pink room.
Starting point is 00:48:46 And they were closed in pieces of blue fabric. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. He was intentionally walled up as a child. What? And there was evidence that he had attempt to do scratch his way out of the wall. Oh, sweetie. Every finger had the tip worn down. Oh. And this is like true. and he would scratch his way out of the wall. Oh, sweetie. Every finger had the tip worn down.
Starting point is 00:49:05 Oh. And this is like true. There were also documents sealed up behind a fireplace as well there in the same area. And they had something to do with the 1588 Spanish invasion. People believe this boy maybe found these documents and to keep him quiet, he was walled up with them. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:49:26 And they were able to, like, they found him and they found the documents and those documents are on display in the Edward Room. Holy shit. And luckily when he was taken out, he was given a proper burial. And people said that he stopped showing up after that after he was buried.
Starting point is 00:49:43 Yeah. But then he came back when they started renting that room out, the pink room. Like, people would stay in there and he still is like, I don't know if he's still cries, but he still shows up. I hope that he's not still crying. And it's like that, somebody walled that, I don't know how old he is either.
Starting point is 00:49:58 I couldn't find anything about it. But he's a boy, but he's a boy. Like, he could be even 12. Like, he could be, but either way, like, as he must have been slightly older if they were afraid he was going to like talk about these documents. So he must be somewhere, I would think like like 10, 9, 10, 11, 12, somewhere in there. But they literally found his skeleton.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Like that is a thing that is real. That is insane, dude. And so I didn't like that last time. The saddest. I know I had to add on that only because it was such an early one. Wow. But that is some of the things of chilling him castle
Starting point is 00:50:33 and Holy shit. Yeah, Holy shit is right, dude. And you ended on that one. I'm gonna end on a really wild castle. Cool. Let's go. And like I said, the ghost in this one, there's just one ghost, but she inspired the movie The Ring, which was originally a Japanese film, I think it was called
Starting point is 00:50:52 Ringu. Ringu. But in 1333, on part of the land where the Hameji castle sits today, a fort was built. And then 13 years later, that fort would be turned into a castle known as the Hemiyama castle. And then 235 years after that, the castle would be expanded and would become known as the Hameji castle for the rest of ever. It's still the Hameji castle. And it is the rest of ever. The rest of ever. It's still the Meiji Castle. And it is the rest of ever.
Starting point is 00:51:26 The rest of ever. It is Japan's largest castle, and it's the most visited of the 12 original castles that still exist in Japan to this day. That's so cool. Like this is original. Wow. How bonkers is that?
Starting point is 00:51:39 So it sits on 576 acres of land. Oh, okay. And each fortress or castle that's ever been built on the land was for the purpose of war and defense against the enemy. And because of that, there's all kinds of security features. Like the path to the front of the tower is actually a maze. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Because they were hoping that like, while if they were ever attacked, they would see the enemy coming way before they would ever even get there and just kill them on the way. Because they're trying to get through would see the enemy coming way before they would ever even get there and just kill them on the way. Because they're trying to get through that corn maze on the way up there. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Exactly. The castle itself is surrounded by moats, turrets, large stone walls that are over 80 feet high. Damn. It's also just gorgeous. It is, you showed me a picture and I was like, whoa. It's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:52:24 I want to live there other than the cat and the ghost. But I feel like I would hang out with her. I would go for that. Yeah. The entire castle consists of 83 buildings. And it's painted white. Like I saw you saw when I showed you. And it's decorated with these tiles that are called,
Starting point is 00:52:40 I'm going to do my best here, only G-Warras. And those are tiles that are in the shape of ogres. Ooh. Which, isn't that so cool? And the reason why they're shaped like ogres is because they're basically there for the purpose of wording off any evil spirits.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Oh, shit. That might wanna do harm in the castle or bring harm to the area in general. That's cool. Now, because it's all white on the outside, and it's got these winged, kind of architectural pieces, like we would call it gingerbread kind of, but because of that,
Starting point is 00:53:13 it's referred to as white heron or white eagre. Ooh. And it's also often referred to as being some kind of like miracle or token of good luck because it's been standing tall for so many years. And actually at the end of World War II there were a ton of bombings in Hameji, Japan. That left most of the city like burned to the ground. But none of the bombings had any effect on this castle. That's wild. Actually a fire bomb landed inside but never went off.
Starting point is 00:53:44 What? How insane is never went off. What? How insane is that? Wow. What? What? That makes no sense. And then it also survived a massive earthquake, which left obviously much of the surrounding area
Starting point is 00:53:56 just torn to bits, like we're talking overturned bridges in the middle of the street. Nope. And this was the great henshin earthquake of 1995. It killed anywhere from 5,500 to 6,400 people. Oh, shit. The castle was untouched. Wow.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Isn't that nuts? What is happening there? Can we make everything out of what this castle is made of? It's made out of wood. Yeah, just special wood. Just white painted wood. Damn. And it's got og of wood. Yeah, just special wood. Just white painted wood. Damn. And it's got ogre tiles.
Starting point is 00:54:26 Maybe that's it. It also has a really metal ghost. But in 1993, the castle was recognized as a, I think it's UNESCO, you say, UNESCO World Heritage Site. And it was Japan's first time being recognized. Oh wow. But now they have more than 30. I was just going to say there has to be way more than that.
Starting point is 00:54:47 They have so many, but that was the first one they got recognized for. Damn. Now, the most intriguing thing to me, and probably to all of you guys listening and Alina sitting right here, is that the castle is home to one of Japan's most famous ghost stories. And in Japan, they refer to ghost stories as Kaidan. The center of this entire story is a woman named Okiku. And Okiku worked as a lady in waiting or like a servant within the castle.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Now, like I said a million times, she's said to have inspired Samara's character from the ring. Wow. There's a few variations of the story, but the one that you hear most is that a young man called Ayolama Tetsuzan had his eyes on Ukiku, and he'd been asking her to marry him forever and ever, like constantly being
Starting point is 00:55:51 like, marry me, marry me. I want to be with you and she was like, no, marriage. She's sad like no. Because Ukiku was already in love with another man, Kenugasa Matanubu. Of course she was. And she told Tetsuzan that she was not interested, but Tetsuzan was not a kind man at all. So it was actually pretty brave of Okiko to stand up for herself, Okiko, excuse me. Now what was even more brave was that when she heard that Tetsuzan was actually planning to kill the Lord of the Castle, Lord Norimoto.
Starting point is 00:56:26 She went directly to her lover there and told him in his army about this evil plan that was going to happen. Now luckily, Norimoto was tipped off by the good guys and he was able to escape before he was killed. But then Tetsuzan knew that somebody had essentially ratted on him. And he was going to stop at nothing to find out who had wronged him. So eventually, one of Mata Nubo's men turned on Okiku and said like she's the one that told us. What?
Starting point is 00:57:00 So that's fake ass bitch. Yeah, a fake ass bitch indeed. They were super scared that Tetsu's on was gonna come out after them because once Nory Moto left the castle, Tetsu's on Tuket over. Oh, and he was like, if you go out, he was like a terrible ruler and like a tyrant. He was a tyrant actually.
Starting point is 00:57:20 So these men were scared that he was gonna turn on them so they just threw a Kkoo under the bus. It's not cool. Not cool at all. I mean luckily Tetsuzon still really liked Ukeku and didn't want to kill her at first. So he devised this plan. There were 10 gold dishes that were incredibly valuable and precious to his family. And one of Ukeku's jobs was to clean the plates and keep them accounted for. Like she was in charge of these plates. So Tetsuzon took one of those plates from where they were usually kept and played dumb and approached Okiku and was like, hey, where's the 10th plate? So immediately she ran over to where
Starting point is 00:57:59 they were kept and started counting one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Where was the 10th plate? Where was it? So she counts again and again. She's searching high and low for these plates, but obviously we know Tetsu's on has it, so she's not gonna be able to find it.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Oh no. So he's like, I'll give you some time to look for it. Okay, I'll show. Yeah, so he comes around again looking for the plates and he's like, listen, I will let this whole thing go and not bother with that invaluable plate if you'll just marry me. Wow. And she said, I'm not a damn fool. I'm onto you, sir. No, I don't want to marry you. And he said, all right, well, you refused me for the last time. Whipped out his sword, sliced her neck open,
Starting point is 00:58:46 and then carried her outside and threw her down into the well. That was outside of the castle. What? So that night, as people walked through the castle walls, they could hear faint whispers coming from the well. And then as the night progressed, the whispers got louder and louder,
Starting point is 00:59:03 and they heard one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. And then when everybody had retreated to their rooms to go to sleep, Okiko was said to climb out of the well and into Tetsu-Zon's room. Hell yeah. Where she started counting again, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. And then when she was in his room, when she got to nine, she let out a blood curdling spirit. Oh my God. Yeah, she did. And she did this every night for like weeks and weeks. So she's like, I'm gonna break you down.
Starting point is 00:59:38 I am going to actually kill you in a ruin your life. So Tetsu's on did eventually go mad. Yeah. And like died. Can you imagine? No. The ghost of the person, I mean, imagine being like that guy,
Starting point is 00:59:52 no. And then you do that shit and the person that you did it to, she just comes in your room every night counting and then screaming in your face and then leaving. Blood curdling scream too. Like you can't get worse than that. Like a death rattle is what it was referred to as. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Oh, have you ever heard a death rattle? That's even scarier. You're actually, I have. That's even scarier because it's one of those like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, just like, I hate that, I hate that. And that's what it is. Don't fucking do that.
Starting point is 01:00:20 That's what it is. Oh, God, I hate that. Please don't ever do that again. That's a literal, that's a death rattle is more like a rattle-y. Yeah. Kind of voice. Oh, God, I hate that. Please don't ever do that again. That's a literal, that's a death rattle is more like a rattley kind of voice. Oh, God. So it wasn't even like a scream. It's like a...
Starting point is 01:00:30 Oh, wow. I hate that. I wish you guys could have seen that. That was like really wild. No, so scary. I've been always afraid of that movie. I've actually never even seen it. And I won't watch it.
Starting point is 01:00:40 But I know that that's like one of the things that happens. Don't ever pick up or scream. I saw what your face did there. Don't for screen. I saw what your face did there. Don't ever well. I saw what your face did. You know where it ended covering that for screen. I will not watch it. It's really not that bad.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I feel like you're hyping it up in your own head a lot more than you probably should. Probably, but also paranormal things freak me out more than like real things. Yeah. Hate. Anyways, so yeah, Tetsu's on when absolutely mad, but before that, there is another version of events. I think it's too lame to be true. This is like the lamest thing I ever heard.
Starting point is 01:01:13 Too lame to be true. In this lame version, the whole thing happens. He still throws her down the well. But then he brings an exorcist to the castle. And this exorcist, big idea to get rid of Okiku's ghost is to hide in a bush near the well and let her go through one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and yell, 10.
Starting point is 01:01:32 They, they, they, he, this exorcist yelled 10 before the screen came. Wow. And in that version of the story, that was enough to get rid of Okiku, but I think we should all give Okiku a little bit more credit than that, personally. If I was Uki-ku, that would not do for me.
Starting point is 01:01:47 No, I don't think so. That would be more annoyed than anything. I think that Tetsu-Zon did not do that. And I think he just went mad. And what we do know is that Lord Norimoto returned and took the castle back there. So there you go. So maybe Tetsu-Zon went mad and died.
Starting point is 01:02:01 And he was like, cool. Take that back now. But what's interesting is I went to this really cool sight to read a little bit more about the castle in Ukiiku's story, because it is like a relatively short story. Yeah. So I was like, can I get like a little bit more out of this? Now, this website called Curious Archive,
Starting point is 01:02:16 that's what it was called. And it went, that's what it's called. That's what it's called. That is the name. That's what it's called. It went into a bit of the Japanese belief systems and ghosts and everything like that. It was really interesting.
Starting point is 01:02:30 We love that. It kind of just explained each thing a little bit more. So apparently within the Japanese belief system, each person has a racon, which is a soul. And they believe that when we die, the racon leaves the body and enters kind of like a purgatory until a proper funeral has been held
Starting point is 01:02:49 and you're given like your lost rights. And in that, in the case that a proper funeral is not held, the uri, which if I have it right would just be your body without a soul in it. Oh yeah, I've heard of these. Yes, me too. Okay, Gahara.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Yes, exactly. So your uri can go between purgatory and real life, but it doesn't have a soul. Okay, so the Yuri will stay in that loop of kind of like haunting real life and being stuck in purgatory until a proper funeral has been held or until the recon has peace
Starting point is 01:03:20 and any unfinished business it might have lingering is cleared up. Oh, that makes so much sense now for Okigahara. They talk about like Yuri being in that forest because they're not given a proper burial. Exactly. They are laid to rest properly. Their Yuri's like wander around that forest.
Starting point is 01:03:37 Exactly. Wow. And their souls are just like lost. What's interesting? Isn't that interesting? Now, there are all different kinds of Yuri's actually. Oh. And the kind of Yuri depends on what happened to that person. What's interesting? Isn't that interesting? Now, there are all different kinds of urees, actually. And the kind of ure depends on what happened to that person.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Like if they were killed or if they just like died naturally or something like that. So in Okiko's case, she would be considered an on Rio because in life, she was like abused, mistreated, and ultimately killed. Now, it's believed that the the Unreal are in search of some kind of revenge for the way that they were treated while they were still alive.
Starting point is 01:04:10 And many Japanese people fear that this specific ghost, because they think it's capable of actually killing people in the real world. Oh, damn. And they also believe that they are to blame for some natural disasters that have happened throughout the world's history. Oh. And that site goes into some of the other different type are to blame for some natural disasters that have happened throughout the world's history.
Starting point is 01:04:25 And that site goes into some of the other different type of urees, so I definitely recommend checking it out. Wow. I'm going to link it in the show notes. That's really interesting. Like, there's a ure for if you were a mother that her child was taken away. Oh my God. There's like a different kind of ure if you are a child that dies.
Starting point is 01:04:43 It's really interesting interesting That is really interesting But if you do want to check out this castle the Hameji castle you can do so actually and this is directly from Japan God.com Oh Hameji castle stands about one kilometer down the broad Oteme Doris street in Hameji station the castle can be reached from the station's North exit in a 15 to 20 minute walk, or a five minute ride by bus,
Starting point is 01:05:10 which is a hundred yen one way, or a taxi, which is about a 750 yen one way. Oh, damn. So if you would like to go to the Hameji castle, I suggest you take the bus because it sounds cheaper. Take the damn bus. Take the bus. Take the bus. Take the bus and avoid the well.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Yeah. Damn. Isn't that an interesting story? That was a very interesting story. I think you undersold it. Oh wow. It was really good. You know what they say?
Starting point is 01:05:35 Underpromise and overdelip it. There you go. And you know what I forgot to say. If you can also visit Chillingham, Castelife, I mentioned that you can, but you can stay there. And you just have to go to chillingham. What is it?
Starting point is 01:05:47 hyphencastle.com. And you can book a stay there. And you can go visit for a day tour. They have ghost tours. They have a kind of thing. I am not because I'm holding off. I do want to go. Because when would we make time?
Starting point is 01:06:01 I was just going to say it would include a trip to Europe and that is just not in the cards right now, but later, later, later down the line. Later, Gator, later down the line, Britain, I am coming for ya. Coming for ya. I'm just coming for ya so hard. All right, we are so, so dirty.
Starting point is 01:06:18 I just realized how dirty that's not it. That's why I did, just glaze over it. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, that's what she said. So we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But that's the really easy thing that I'll later just said, because embarrassed.
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