Morbid - Episode 382: American Horror Stories with Alvin from Affirmative Murder!

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

We're joined by Alvin today from a very cool podcast known around town as Affirmative Murder. We go around the virtual campfire to tell spooky tales of America's past. Alaina brings us some hauntings from a place known as "Tragedy Square," Alvin shares a cautionary tale of what can happen if you play someone the same song too many times and Ash warns future goers of the Martha Washington Inn of the haunts they may experience within! Enjoy and go follow Affirmative murder.https://www.affirmativemurder.com/https://www.instagram.com/affirmativemurderpod/?hl=enSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, Weirdos, I'm Ash, and I'm Alina. And I'm Alvin, and I'm very excited to be here. Hello. And this is more bad. Better than that house at any time. I'm the energy of my life. I love that.

That was beautiful energy. It was like a little extra, you know. Right, it's a little out and that's what they call me. That's what I heard that. That's what I thought, yeah. Yeah. It just felt right. Not too underwhelming, not great.

Right? Right. Always great. Always great. Always great. Not too much. That's what it is. Yeah, not too much.

Not too little. Yeah, just chef's kiss. Yeah. That's what it is. That's well, today we have Alvin from a Firmative Murder podcast on the show. And we have been so excited about this. Same, same, I'm excited.

Well, let me just, can I just also say, hey, weirdos, okay? I want to, let me get in on that. I love it. It's fun, right? So, I'll address the audience. I'm without my partner and true crime friends or events today, he had some things to take care of.

So, I will be here taking care of things for both of us. That's kind of what he likes to do. He sends me in, make sure everything's done. And then I report back to him. I'm like his henchman. I love that. That's pretty perfect.

That's a good set up you guys have. It works. It works for our relationship, you know? We're going strong. And you know, we'll get Fran on the show. We're going to get both of you. Because we're going to do And you know what, we'll get Fran on the show. We're going to get both of you. Because we're going to do this again. This regardless of whether you want to or not, we're doing it.

Yeah, well, barring on saying anything crazy, which I would, and other than that, Oprah went for a hologram, but we can get a spell later. We'll move on. You guys will definitely have me back because I won't say anything crazy. Yeah, of course. That's the fact. No, of course. I've heard nothing of notes so far.

So cool. I think we're good. Everything checks out. Yeah. And I think today, what we're going to do because we've been doing this with guests, and it's been a lot of fun. You guys seem to dig it.

Is we're going to do kind of like a round robin, campfire, tail, just talk about some spooky things. Extravaganza. Extravaganza. Extravaganza. Eleganza. There you go, there you go. But manza. It's boom, boom.

Finished it right. There we go. And I think, do we have a theme here, don't we? We do. I have Virginia. Virginia? Yeah. Okay.

All right. I think you got excited, sorry. I think, what do I have? I have, you also have, do I, well, maybe not. Yeah, we don't have a theme really. We don't have this. We're all doing a thing and that's what we're doing. That was theme.

We're all speaking into microphones. The theme is stories. The theme is podcast. Yes, got it. See, we're okay here. We're all together. Kids are all right. The kids are going to be all right. So how should we start this? Who wants to start off? You should start off. All right, I'm going to start off. Mine is a little crazy murder with maybe a haunted leg involved. Haunted leg. A haunted leg, perhaps.

Yep. Yeah, you know, and then we're gonna also throw in a cryptid, just for good measure. And just like a sneeze of a cryptid. Just like a suggestion. A cryptid. A cryptid. But it's a cool one.

So, all right, cryptids are cool, Alina. Right. But it's a cool one. So, all right, cryptids are cool, Alina. Right. And this one's really weird. You saw the name of it. So, yeah, it's a good one. Hey there, fellow podcast listener, it's Elena. And Ash, and we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa. You know when you would come home from high school

and it was only a few hours until that TV show, everyone was watching was about to come on. Well, in 1999, that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast with Wondery, the re-watcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast with Wondery, the re-watcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we take it back to 1999. So get out your knee-high boots and paste that poster of Angel on the wall. It's time to enter the Buffyverse.

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What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later paralyzed? What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived a notorious serial killer, you'll hear their first-person account of how they overcame remarkable circumstances.

Each episode is an exploration of the human spirit and personal discovery. These haunting accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you this is actually happening. Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Now, I'm going to first talk about haunted Lafayette Square Park, aka tragedy square. So a lot of stuff has happened here. I'm not going to go into everything that has happened here. I'll save a couple of things for later things. But I'm going to talk about one key thing, key being a very operative word here.

But I'll see what you did there. You're gonna trust me. You're gonna trust me, it'll make sense. But this one's just like a wild one. It's got an affair. It's got a leg. It's got murder. I gotta tell you.

What is the leg of this all? Don't you worry, I'm gonna get to it. It's not the theme. It's got murder. What is the leg of this all? Don't you worry, I'm gonna get to it. The theme is leg. That's the theme. It's giving leg. I like that. Okay, yeah, that's what the theme is. Because I'm pretty sure my cryptid might have legs as well.

So, all right. I would hope so. I think we're on we're on brand here. So Lafayette Square Park was named for, and I looked up the pronunciation of that, and I apologize in advance to our French listeners. Gilbert Dumontier, Marquis de Lafayette. Why did you apologize?

Ooh, I didn't have confidence. I'm sorry, he's good. Should we get a girl's soul? Am I supposed to get someone on? Oh my god. I got my hair down for fun. Your hair's kind of in like a headphone booth on. There we go.

It's happening. It has to be grown in one of those little French hats just from her small, from Sting. It just happened. Is that a beret? I see. I became French. She was small.

Oh, there we go. And now everybody left us. As soon as we did that, they were like, ooh, I love to do that. Ha ha. You we go. And now everybody left as soon as we did that, they were like, I love to do that. You have to. So see, I nailed it. Okay, I feel good about it. Confidence up. So it was named for him in 1824. And it was added to the list of national historic landmarks in 1970, which I thought it would have been before that, but it took a little while. It took a little while. It took until the crazy 70s. But Lafayette, as probably most of you know, was a war hero for the French and the Americans

during the Revolutionary War. He led the Americans into the Battle of Yorktown, which, if you watched Hamilton, maybe you've heard of it. Maybe you love that song on the album. What song is that? Great song. Which Yorktown? Oh, yeah. Makes sense. It's a good one.

It's a good one. Lafayette is a great character in that musical, by the way. Aren't I Lafayette and that is what we say? To be gay. Or you Lafayette and that. I'm referring to George Is that what we say? Or you Lafayette and that. I'm referring to George. No, I think you are. Oh, I can George.

Yes. But I don't even know, but he's great. We assigned ourselves characters, but now we forget them. Yeah, it's okay. We'll figure it out. Yeah, you got to figure that out. We should figure it out. We knew it at one point.

We should figure it out for our Broadway debut. Now that's going to bother me for the rest of the product. I know. We'll message you after. Yeah, don't worry. Okay. Well, please do. Thank you We'll add it in and message you a perfect. There is a statue of Lafayette in this park, which makes sense It's his park. It's his park. There's also a statue of Andrew Jackson and it was sculpted by Clark Mills. And this is just interesting because there's a replica of this statue in New Orleans, Jackson Square. So two statues, same thing. Just thought it was interesting. Now we're gonna get into the murder of it all.

The murder. So now we know the place. Let's talk about the thing. You didn't really bury the lead there at all. No, I don't like to. I just like, let's go. Okay. So, Francis Scott Key's son. Now, Francis Scott Key, you may know that name.

Star Spangled Banner. Perfect. I don't know. Yeah, just kidding. His son. The brief and Baltimore. Yeah, there you go. His son, Philip Barton Key, the second was, how do I say this delicately?

He was doing the nasty with a married woman named Teresa Bajoyoli Sickles. So already who scandals? Super scandal. Teresa was married to kind of an important man. His name was Daniel Sickles and he was a representative of the United States Congress. Oh. So like, oh, he's going to find out what she's doing. I can feel that. You know what?

Can confirm. He does find that out. No, Daniel, Daniel is actually much older than Teresa. Teresa was like more than half, like less than half his age. And in fact, he would lie about his age to make the difference less scandalous. He would lie about his year. Yeah. Oh, we got the alternative. There you go. Now, Daniel was known to have a shit ton of affairs himself, like ton of

affairs. He was just all over the place. He was in Congress. He was doing everyone. But just like James Maybrek, who we just talked about on morbid, he was pissed at his wife because she was having an affair. And it's like, well, you know, like, he'd pot me kettle. Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. Yeah, exactly. He'd say, yeah. It's not right. It's not a right way to live.

Yeah. That's not cool. He had found out about this. He was say, yeah. It's not right. It's not a right way to live. That's not cool. He had found out about this. He was catching on to it. It's very of the time that he gets angry at her even though he's doing the exact same thing. Now the logistics of these kind of affairs are apparently pretty intense. I had no idea. To carry out their affair, Philip and Teresa needed a place because they couldn't just

like go for it where they lived, cause like married, just spouses. Tell me that they were just in the park doing the nasty. No, that would be. Ragity square. Collector. At least that's what. In tragedy square.

Can you imagine? Just like something about tragedy square, got them in the mood, you know? You know? You know? Wow. Let's go have sex in a park. Park with nature and tragedy. Next to the statues.

No, they actually went a little more extra with it. They straight up rented a house near the park. And they had like rented a house to do a hanky-panky house. A hanky-panky house. A hanky-panky house. Wow. And they had a secret code that only they knew about when they wanted to be together. So whoever it was that wanted to like,

you know, have a little hanky-panky, they would leave a string hanging in the front window. They're so sexy. Very dorm room. Oh, set house. Oh, set house? Yeah, just leave a string. And then you know, very dorm room. I'm set house. I've set house. Yeah, just leave a string. And then you know, very dorm room,

but like leveled up dorm room. You have Nancy to Airbnb dorm room. Thank you. Thank you. Exactly. Now, one night, Daniel, so the husband, got an anonymous note from someone who referred to themselves only as RPG, which I immediately

thought of role-playing game. That's of course. Role-playing game, if you nasty. I do that one. Yes, that's probably not. Immediately as soon as I saw RPG, I was like role-playing game, but they were doing that back then. Yeah, and they weren't nasty, RPG, because role-playing game used to this letter to explain in every last detail

about this affair. Just narked at all. Yeah, they went full nark with that. And very graphic, R. Oh, wow. Sick burn though. Sick burn. They jersey shorted it. They wrote the family letter. Wow.

They're the original. This is the original G-SAM. I was with Flo and her else. And she was dancing with bottles. And they were all on the club. And he had a pants on them. That's direct quote from this letter. RBG wouldn't have said that. RBG.

Baneum. That's so RBG. RBG needs to sit down and think about what they just wrote because so like holy shit. I would be pretty satisfied if I wrote that. I'd be like, yeah. I got him. So Francis decides to speak to his wife about this,

or no, not Francis, I'm sorry, I was thinking Francis got key. So Daniel decides to speak to his wife about this because communication is key to all of encommendment. So he was like, let's talk about it. Oh, is it key? It's key. Oh, that's the key.

That's a long walk to get to that, okay. It is, we got there. We got there. We got there. It's key. It's key. It's key. All back done. Key earlier. Frances Scott key. So many keys. What he didn't expect when he came to talk to her about it was for her to just confess literally everything in detail. She was just like, yep. Like no shaggy insight, she did it. It was her.

She said it was me. It was me. I did it. And after this, the two of them began sleeping separately. So it was a sad time in the home. During this time, apparently, she would just sob into the night and all the staff could just hear her sobbing all around the house.

Just a lot of tension and sadness and betrayal for both. Yeah. Since he was also like a man about town himself. Yeah. Let's all remember this. Now Teresa was so upset about this and she was so regretful of what she had done that she swore the affair was over and that would have been the end of it. Okay. I mean, they did rent property to fucking, but I guess take her word for it. Like, it's done. It's done.

It's done now. She said, we're renting that out to another couple. Yeah, we're not going to eat. We're subletting our, uh, fuck, another couple. Subletting our nasty house. So, yeah, it's like, okay, I guess take her word for it, except don't because on Sunday, February 27th, 1859, Daniel was outside of his home doing, you know,

shit that Daniels do outside. And his wife was inside just gazing out into the world. And he looked up randomly just to look at his beautiful wife and hopefully reconsider his own dalliances. She'd jump out, you know? No, she didn't. But that would have been really intense. What a climax that would have been.

I mean, but she did not. But when he looked up at her, he noticed that she was waving to someone. She said, hey. And not to him. So he looked out to where she was waving to see who she was waving to someone. She said, hey. And not to him. So he looked out to where she was waving to see who she was waving to. And when she know, she was waving to fucking Philip.

Philip. Fucking Philip. Philip again. Not cool. Daniel was not pleased. Not pleased at all. Uh-oh. Now, Philip and Daniel very much knew each other.

Like, they had been like friendly, like acquaintances. They knew who each other was. So when Philip saw Daniel, he started waving to him too, which like bold move Philip. That's fake as fuck. That's bold. Yeah, right. That's what I'm waving to the family. I'm waving to all of you. Everybody. I'm going to cover up. Yeah. If I was in that situation, I would do something equally soft. Oh, hey, Daniel.

Oh, my God. You're the whole time. I just have high hands waving you the whole time. It was just a very intense wave. Yeah. Oh, it doesn't really make sure you saw it. Oh, she's got there too. Great.

Whole family. You, Daniel. You, you, you. Like power couple couple of the century. Love you guys so much. We're waiting. You guys are so cute together. You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, is in this situation and Daniel is making his way towards Philip as well. I bet a little faster. Yeah, I bet he had a little pep in his step as he's going in there. And they end up meeting at Lafayette Park where they both came to a stop in front of each other.

And Philip thinking, everything's fine. He doesn't know that I'm having sex with his wife. He just let him know that he's more. Yeah, he's like, we stopped. Quote unquote. And so he sticks out his hand to that he's more. Yeah, he's like, we stopped. Quote unquote. And so he sticks out his hand to shake Daniel's hand. And Daniel sticks out his hand, but Daniel is holding more than just his own flesh in his hand. He's holding a loaded pistol.

And immediately he draws back and shoots Philip three times in the middle of the day in broad daylight in Lafayette Square Park. Oh shit. Philip died. I burned. Three times, boom, boom, boom. Sure.

This of course meant that Daniel was arrested right away for murder because he did it in the middle of the park in the middle of the day. I did not make any attempt to cover this up. But even though he shot a man in broad daylight with a pretty solid motive for doing so, he was able to hire the legal team of the century and they were able to get him the distinction

of being the first person in America to successfully use temporary insanity as a defense for cold-blooded, very motivated murder. He walked all the way over there. That is Malice of Forthot. He was so jilted, Ash. He was so jilted that he lost himself. Just lost him. And just like happened to have a gun. How convenient. Yeah. Hard work, gun. I was doing yard work. I rake leaves with this. I blacked out. And I blacked out. I blacked out. I don't know what to tell you. Sorry.

Was I mad? No. I wasn't mad. I'm mad a little bit because he was also having affairs. Oh no, I mean like Daniel was like, was I mad at this man? No, I was like, no, I'm mad at him for shooting so I was gonna be right there.

I'm mad. I'm mad at the murder. No, I think he's literate. He's like, what rage does not play into this? What are you talking about? Never. Did I know the taxi driver style mechanical device to shoot the gun for the wrist?

Yeah, but that just happens when I do yard work with. Again, okay. My yard work gun, okay? I think that you say that his hand, and then I picture the gun. I'm a chute. That's exactly what I picture too. He's just like, I'm like, I put those punch gloves but it's then I'll picture the gun. That's exactly what I picture too. I'm not like how people know it's punch gloves,

but it's in the gun. And he just goes to his spicy senses. Exactly like a spider web toe. So he got off. He got acquitted. Shot this man killed this man in broad daylight. And Daniel just went right back to life after that slip of rage induced murder he had.

As one does, I guess. She went back to Teresa who took him back. They stayed married. He did. Unfortunately, for them, though, they became social pariahs. Like, sure. Very much. Literally, people said it was like they had smallpox, like they were quoted as saying

that because they were like, we stayed very much away from that. Yeah. You killed a guy. This is two solutions for this time. It is. Yeah. So kill the guy because she was having an affair with him. Like that is, that's messy.

Whoa. Yeah. Layer on layer of scandal. Soup's messy. Yeah. Nobody wants to be a part of that. You also shouldn't give too much credit to the legal team. Because this is also a time where you can get off from stuff.

I'd be like, he had a case of the vapors. Exactly. That's true. Yeah. You know. They were like, he had a ghost in his body at that moment. And it's possessed. And it's vacated immediately after we saw it. They're like there. The devil summoned him.

Yeah, he put his name in the book. It was a witch. Philip was a witch. He got some. By. Pretty easy. But he was also, not only did he go back to his marriage, he also was put in charge of a command at the Battle of Gettysburg and showing he had learned from his mistakes, he wouldn't listen to orders, specifically from major general George Mead, who people might know.

And he ended up leading a bunch of men to get killed in action because of that. So, wow, he wasn't killing it. But then, Sick guy. Sick guy. Sick guy. But then, he got hit in the leg with a cannonball. Oh, shit.

He would shut, and with Shucks, Shucks, with shoots and socks. Oh, Shucks. It's not a chest, but a chest. That's the correct quote. That's the, he went, oh, Shucks. Shucks, my leg. Oh, Shucks, I've just been going on. That's what he went, oh, Shucks. That's my leg.

Oh, Shucks, I've just been cannonballs. Not the fun kind, right? I ended up in a pool. It's verbatim from the battlefield. Someone was like, and he said, unto Shucks. Oh, Shucks. My leg. His leg was almost blown clean off, like just my leg.

And at this point, it somehow made it around the battlefield that he had died when this happened. So his command were like really demoralized and they started pulling back. And he didn't want this because they were like gaining at one point. So when he found out that they were so demoralized, he demanded that he be brought to the front of the line

in his stretcher with his leg all mangled just to like boost their spirits. Bleeding out. Yeah. And apparently according to a New York Tribune article from 1902, it said, quote, to further reassure his men that he was still alive, he sat up and smoked a cigar. And then he put it out. I said a bad rap for the whole story, but that's pretty bad.

That is pretty bad. I just picture him like putting it out on his leg, just like on his knee, a black. I don't even feel that. Yeah. Which probably means this needs to be imitated. Somebody cut this shit off.

Somebody cut this off. I didn't feel that. So get me some jizz. No. He was given the medal of honor, like 35 years later, for this whole spiel. Huh, and after battle, the leg, what was left of it, was amputated surgically and guess what? What? It's in a museum now.

His leg? His leg! His preserved cannonball leg is just on display at the Army Medical Museum in Silver Spring, Maryland. And he went to visit it a lot. He went to go see it. And it finally took Mark Twain once. Wow, okay. How did we get there? How did we get there? I was about to visit my leg.

Did you like to go and see my leg? Mark Twain, what did you do today? Should we just like pop by and give my leg a visit? Like you get a visit from Mark Twain and you're like, I know exactly what shall we do today? Should we just like pop by and give my leg a visit? Like you get a visit from Mark Twain and you're like, I know exactly what we should do today. What else do you do with Mark? We can't walk. Yeah.

We should go check my leg out. We should go check my leg out. Yeah, it's just there. And you can look it up. If you look up the picture, it's like the bones of his leg all set up, preserved. and you can see it was demolished. I mean, cannonballs will do that. Yeah, and it was amputated above the knee. So it's the entire like bottom, like tibia, fibia kind of situation. It must have been amazing. Yeah,

it was rough. It was rough. Now, as a result of all this, the murder and the cannonball leg, Daniel is now said to Haunt Lafayette Park. I bet. Because he's mad and he's probably still looking for Philip. I imagine. Yeah. You know, if it's Philip, it should be haunting this place.

I imagine he probably is. He's a metal. I bet he is. I bet he is. I bet they're just like there. Maybe they're just like one step ahead of each other. Like they'll never get to each other. So they're just always searching.

They're like constantly in like a never ending game of hide and seek. That's an unwillingly. But unwillingly. Just forever. It's constantly waving from the distance and danger to never tell no matter how hard you run. He just keeps running. That's exactly it.

They just one legedly. One legedly. Well, apparently speaking of that, people often see him limping in the streets. Oh, sure. By, they'll just be like, oh, Daniel, that's Daniel. And his leg is apparently haunted. People like, they surround his leg. I don't see that so much reach with his haunting.

Yeah. Luffy, where's the square at again? It's because he's going to reach with his haunting. Yeah. Where's the square at again? It's because he's in there. Is it Charlotte too? Yeah. And it's because he's in pieces. So I think when you're in pieces,

you can go wherever you want. Yeah, you have far reach when you've been in pieces. I can cut my leg off when I die. Go hang it up somewhere. Yeah. Do it. Take Mark Twain there. Retroactively. I ever get a historical author in my presence.

I will take them to visit your like. Thank you so much. I would do the same for you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Absolutely. I'm honored to have witnessed that pack. You guys just made it.

That was really special. It was. You know? So that is the tale of Lafayette Park. Wow. But I told you guys I was going to give you a cryptid really quick too. Yeah you did and you said he has legs. He sure does. Alright. He has a lot of appendages actually. I don't know if I like that. This is the snally gaster. I'm sorry, what?

Oh. And no, I did not just sneeze. I said snally gaster. Snally gaster. Sure. Is that a curse? Is it a curse us? I just hex you.

I feel like you did. End of podcast, you're in trouble now. Last time. I feel like, oh shit. This isn't Maryland. So if you're in Maryland, look out for this fella. All right. She's rolling around somewhere. He's snelly gastro.

He's snelly gastro. He is kind of like a dragon-like cryptid, which makes him really cool. And it originated with German immigrants that settled in Frederick County in Central Maryland and the name comes from the German word Schnellgeister Schnellgeister. I am like somewhat German somewhere. Yeah So maybe like an ancestor came through there and that word apparently comes from another German word or like phrase and it's like Schnellgeist which means quick spirit, or fast ghost. Ooh.

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There you go. There you go. We call it Do in the Sickle. Yeah. I like that. And it looks like this, people first started seeing this, Snallygaster in 1735.

Tim, and to ward it away, they would put red X's on their barns so that it wouldn't come swooping down. Cause apparently, I don't know, it just doesn't like that. That's like that movie. Yeah. What movie? That movie, where they do that. What movie?

I know what you're talking about. Wait, say it. Would you say? No, no. No, okay. No, no. No, it's like, is that like an M night Shyamalan movie? I think you're right. The village. Oh, the village. Yeah, the village.

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Great movie. Really good movie. Controversial, but great movie. Controversial. Well, because a lot of people don't like it. Fuck those people. Well, no, I like you guys, but it's a good movie. It's a good movie, dammit.

Goddammit, haters. So red X is on the barn. So apparently that will keep them away. So if you're looking for a way, red X on your barn. Now, this thing looks like a dragon kind of. It's actually part bird, part reptile. It's huge. Has a beak and tentacles and metal claws, like metal-like claws.

Metal claws. And I don't mean like, like, Darn it in the air, like, metal. I like their both. Don't pedal. Like super like death metal claws, like metal claws. And it's also apparently really loud. Oh, I don't like that, which I hate.

I don't like loud things. I don't either. Freaks me out. It apparently screeches as loud as a train whistle. No. And it sounds like a train whistle. I don't like that sound. Yeah.

No. And it's not a metal bird. It's not metal. It's not metal. It's not metal. It's not metal. It's not just yelling metal. So that would be a bit...

It would be fucking awesome. Maybe, you know what? I'm not sure. I shouldn't say that I'm sure because maybe people are just misunderstanding this metal bird as like. The person's pretty cool. Sounds pretty metal rock on bird. Yeah. But as if those what so seeing that would be it very scary. Mm-hmm. It's a scary thing. One might say. If this wasn't scary enough, it also wants to eat you. See, I'm done. That's where it goes down in Hill.

It does prefer to eat chickens and children. The two seas. That's the main part of its diet. Okay. But like adults will do in a pinch. I am not a children's. So if you can't find children's store bought will do is what they say. Is our adult store bought?

I would say so. Probably a boyfriend. No, it gets the two seas. Like it can get the two seas because it has a really good sense of smell. Like Sarah and Mary. Yeah. It's really funny that you said that

because the next thing I wrote was, it can track your ass like Mary Sanderson. Hell yeah, and your microphone is blocking that part, so I didn't even see it. Right here. Hey, oh. And also so it can smell ya, but it also smells. Like it stinks.

Oh, it stinks? Stinks. Oh. So you not only see this horrifying mashup of sea, land, and sky coming at you, but it smells like shit. Now something horrible. Yeah, and just you're seeing this awful thing with tentacles and just like everything screeching at you. And it's just like smells.

And it's flying, so it's just wafting. It smells everywhere. How fucked up is that? I can't think of that. It smells like... It's doing like death metal screams while smelling like Because also we're not children, so we might be okay. Yeah, but it could it could eat us too Very true very true, but are we to take our chances maybe to see this?

I mean, death though. That's the last thing you see. Yeah, that's true. As long as it leaves my leg. I'm like I'm on the side of one of those cool vans. Yeah. I'm like a painting on the side of a van. Oh hell yeah. A van that somebody opens up the back and smoke just bills. That'd be pretty sick. That's what would happen. A snailigaster burger, but in time painted it on there. It's a snailigaster. Well, no.

It's a dark. Well, you know what, that's good because he's nocturnal as well. Oh, shit. So that actually works out. His dirty deeds are done under the cover of darkness. Now, its wing span is something close to 25 feet long. That's long. It's a pretty big long boy. I also didn't get to mention

that it has not one, not two, but it has three eyes. Ooh, so it like no shit. Three, it no shit. Third eye is open. Yeah, no stuff about you that you don't even know. I bet. I'm willing to bet. I believe that. And that one eye in the middle of its forehead is red. No. So it definitely knows things about you. And it's going to use them against you, I feel like. Oh, no.

It also, like I said, it has tentacles. And when I first read that, I was like, what do you mean, though? Like an auto-pop. What do you mean it has tentacles? Like what? So it has tentacles, but people are confused about where they're actually coming from. Sometimes they feel like they're coming from its mouthpeak. Like it just opens its mouth and it's like without a mouth.

Like the tentacles in there? Yeah, just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I mean, aliens. Yes. Yeah. It's just a cat. And it's mouth. Mm-hmm.

Some people think there's just tentacles on it and it just has tentacles that can also grab you. Ew. So either way, there's tentacles for the sake of tentacles. And to me, that's really horrifying. It is. I don't want tentacles for any sake, but especially not just for the sake of being tentacles.

For calamari's sake. For calamari's sake, where of being tentacles. For Kalamari's sake. For Kalamari's sake, where are these tentacles? I don't know about that. No, this is horrifying. Sounds crazy, but President Theodore Roosevelt did not think it was crazy. Teddy loved a good adventure. He loved it. And he thought it was real.

He was worried about this. He actually wanted to postpone some big African safari trip he was taking for like, and he had been planning this for like months and it was this big deal. Damn. He was going to totally postpone this and not go because he wanted to stay and hunt the snalligaster. That's hilarious. He considered it a priori.

He considered it a priori. He was still fit to be present? He might have been arsenic eating at this point. I'm not really happy. I want to chat with him someday because he also went out to where the bellwitch lived. Oh, you're right. And like, stayed with that family

while they were being haunted by the bellwitch. He? Was the door also about Van Helsing as well? Right. Literally. Are we cracking his code? I think we just cracked the case. We figured something out, guys.

I also think we know that Teddy Roosevelt would have had like a paranormal show on the travel channel if he had been around today. Or a podcast. He'd be Zach Began. He'd be like, yes. He probably would be. He would. I think he like offended the the bellwitch.

She like threw him off his horse or something. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that's the snailigaster. Be on the lookout for it. People of Maryland, because it's big and loud and smells like shit. So you'll know it's coming. But it's got tentacles. I will be on the lookout for the snailigaster and it's mouthful of calamat. Please. And it smells. That would get you get a lot of calamari out of that. You would, because it's so much.

It's like bottomless. Yeah. Bottomless. I don't think anybody needs bottomless calamari. Bottomless calamari. That's sick. Especially not of the snailigaster variety. I would fuck you up real bad.

Bottomless calamari is crazy. I would never go to this. I live alone a lot. There's certain things you just can't take that far. It's true. It shouldn't be bottomless. It's a snailigaster called Marius, one of the most infriced and fries should be bottomless and that's it.

Oh, man. So those are my tails. Damn. I loved them. I'm a haunted leg, a murder and a fair and a snailigaster. I liked this a lot. Diversity, you know, it was like you hit two different spectrums, you know, like I'm into it.

I wanted to bring the heat. You did. You brought something, all right. I brought to eat the smell, the metal. Oh yeah. We're proud of metal, a metal cryptid. Binnamyew! Yeah, yeah.

Right Alvin, I think you're up. It's on me. It's on you. It's on you. Okay. All right, Alvin, I think you're up. It's on me. It's on you. It's on you. Okay. All right. So, my story is it's a, it's, it's true in nature, but goes into the spooky dukey.

Oh, yeah. So, yeah. So, I live in Baltimore, which has a lot of history and agrarian pose from here. This is the story of a haunting and fells point, which is an area here, all these cool bars, the streets are cobblestone. Some of the bars go back to the 1700s and some things happen in those bars. I love the cobblestone street. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, great for when you're wearing like boots or things that have been here on them. You will roll in the ankle, but it's good for the aesthetic. Oh, it just it looks great feels awful. Yeah. That's life, though. That's why. You know, I feel awful. So in the early 1900s, a Polish immigrant by the name of John Rekowski owned and operated a pub called the Warfrat, which was an established an establishment that had been around since the 1790s. Damn. In fact, it was the first licensed spa in Baltimore.

And it was a hub for sailors and pirates. So picking the salt and the tune from SpongeBob SquarePants but like real, but like real. So salty, and then. So salty for your toughness and your saltiness. At the place. I like that a lot. I can smell that place.

I don't want to smell that. Yes. So ocean. My nose is not letting me do that. It's so much ocean. It smells like a warfrat. Yeah, truly. Yeah.

So according to legend, Rokowski had recently purchased a vitrola horn phonograph. So that's, you know, that's the record player with the horn coming off of it. Today people get them from urban outfitters and have like tattoos of them. But at this point, this was like the peak of technology. It was the iPhone. This, if you had one of these, this is like a, this is a status symbol. Yeah, this was pre hipster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, this was straight up like, yeah, yeah, no, this was straight up like whoa you have a what? Like, you stop when they, you know, when you rolled that in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey guys, let me blow your minds really quick. Let me pull out the old Dictola.

So that's one of these. He has one of these. And again, it's the year 1907. So Rikowsky had only one record. The star, Spangled Banner. Whoa, wait a minute. Well, there is a theme here. Whoa.

Here, there's things happening. Look at us. Holy canoly guys. Look at us. He only won record the star Spangled Banner. He allegedly played the star Spangled Banner ad nauseam on this particular night, on a particular night at the Warfaret, because he was so excited to have a record player Yeah, I would be really angry, but like I get it now. He said oh say can you see?

Listen man, you get the sonos speakers coming in. I mean obviously more songs to get exist today But what song sounds best on the sonos you keep playing that song that's true. I relate to this You know what I say I was going to say Ash is like, um, hello hyper fixation, Mary over there. I was like, you know what? Listen to this song 20 times. It's great. Yeah. I just cycle through ghost like over and over again. I'm not mad at it. I can't, I can't even be mad at this. Yeah. Because I would do the same thing. At this same time, it's like, it's the star spangled banner, like how, how hard is that hitting even 1907? Like, you know, yeah, they hadn't heard, you know, they

hadn't heard dropping like a tie or something like that. They, to them, this is the jam. This is it. But there's a limit to the jam. You know, certainly, you can't just playing it over and over again. But he was excited. I can't, I can't be mad at him, you know. One customer, his cousin, Alexander Anderson, took exception to the constant loop of the star-spangled banner and demanded that he turn it off. Which is, honestly, it's a reasonable request. It is. But it's also like every party has a pooper. That's why we invited you. Yeah. That's why we invited Alex. Yeah. Party fool for when everybody else is loving. Like, oh my god. Run it back. Yeah. Everybody is live in. From the day.

The air horn's going crazy. You hear the remix spit. And this guy reasonably is like, can you please, I'd rather sit in silence. Yeah. He's like, we heard this. I get it. I get it. We've wanted it. It's been done, right? Yeah.

What? You have to keep in mind. Rikowski being both the owner of the warfrat and the owner of this one center generation piece of technology is like, well, the fuck are you? I told me this is my bar. This is my phonograph that I'm playing my record on. You can leave. Yeah, yeah.

Which also valid. Both of these things are very reasonable. I don't want to hear the star spangled banner 50 times. Well, I own the place and I'll play what I wish. Exactly. So it's like, is to play this song 50 times. Go somewhere else, my dude. Go somewhere else, man.

Your infel's point. There's bars everywhere. I assume I wasn't there. But this is this is starstangling band or a few other bars. Had to get this one other bar in this bar area for sailors. They're had to be. I would think.

Yes. Um, so you know, they start to get to bickering back and forth because Rikowski resented the tone Anderson used. You know, sometimes it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Exactly. You probably said turn that dumb song off. You know, he probably insulted it and this guy's high on the song right now.

Oh hell yeah. So this is my dream. You know, by PB Bridges, like I remember the, if you told me that song sucked, we're gonna have a problem. We might have a problem. Yeah. You know, tensions are high. Absolutely.

That's some nasty things about the star Spangled Banner. And you know, that's not how you catch more flies with honey. Exactly. They, uh, they start going back and forth and now, and since demanding that he turns the music off and enraged, he took a swing at at Rikowski, who eventually succeeded in kicking him out of the pub. So they got into a little bit of a scuffle, but Rikowski kicks him out of his bar, tells him get out of here. I'll play the star's bangle banner as much as I damn well, please. Oh hell yeah. Anderson dusted himself off and left,

but he later returned with his brother. I knew it. Oh yeah. Yeah. We had him say the last of him. Yeah, he's having heard the last of he just himself off in his fancy clothes with the all had like a little frilly collars and he does. Oh, yeah, for fuffle. And he said, he's a last of me. And he left. He came back with Adam and a pistol that he purchased nearby. Oh, no. Oh, he got that like that day. Yeah, he just went and got a pistol, you know, angry and bought a pistol right then and there. The 1700s of it all. Yes. Yes. I'll take a pistol, you know, angry and bought a pistol right then and there. The 1700s of it all.

Yes, I'll take a pistol and 17 of your finest marbles. Never taken out of those, but I've ever taken out of those guns and some gun powder. We never came out of those. So they came back and they shot Rikowski, who stood by the bar's pool tables. And Rikowski was taking to Johns Hopkins hospital, which it was still there then one of those. I was going to say damn. Yeah, it's been around.

So the brothers, let me tell you something. Yes. So he was taking to Johns Hopkins hospital. This is 1907. He was taking to Johns Hopkins hospital where he died, leaving behind his wife and said in children. Oh, yeah. The brothers were picked up by the police and arrested because they shot a man in broad daylight at his own bar. But just playing a song. Just he saw. He was just hyper fixating a little. Let him have

a moment, you know, think about star spangled banner had to be like party in the USA. Oh my god. Yeah. The record players out. It's one of the first records pressed. Yeah. It's getting play. You're riding down the street and hearing them late and people's wagons. Like this is the thing. This is the anthem of the, you know. So Anderson was convicted in the Rikowski murder in October of 1907, spooky times. Oh, yes. The War Warfare eventually opened up back under new management. And not long after that, stories began spilling out of customers and staff reporting seeing floating orbs in the spot where John was shot. Oh, airing music faintly from coming from dark corners of the bar.

And the specific, specific spirit being seen by cooks in the kitchen area for years. I love that he did not give it up after eternity. He was like, I'm gonna still play my phone. So this is my jam with a half of our J. Hell yeah. Because our single banner even harder. Oh, I would do the same thing. He said, let's get this into the top 4. The number one song in the country, the star's single band.

So this spirit is believed to be that of the murdered man. The number one song in the country, the star's tangled band. So this spear is believed to be that of the murdered man, who was often reported as being seen crying by those who caught a glimpse of him in the kitchen area. That's so sad. Well, maybe, yeah, it's sad, but maybe he just is so moved by the star's spankle banner, you know, like, let's not put a positive spin on it, you know, he loves the song. And maybe he's just really happy that now he gets to play it as much as he wants.

That's a good point. That's John Fennep has his own. Yeah, I like it. Happy tears. Yes. So John is apparently not the only spirit that still haunts the halls of the Warfare. Back in 2004, the then owner of the tavern

stated that some nights, the music will turn down mysteriously on its own. Ooh, because it's not the star spangled banner. Who's gonna say turn this fucking fleet foxes off now. It's on the banner on now. It is believed that the murder victim, it is believed that the murderer and the victim share the same space bickering over the star spangled banner for all of eternity. Oh, yeah. So Alexander's turn it and that shit down.

We got Mr. Rikowski turn it and that shit back up. They're just having a battle, you know? Yeah. And so it's believed that both of those spirits still hunt this building to this day. Unfortunately in 2021, the Warfaret closed the stores after being bought by a mystery buyer in an online auction. No. Shortly after the sale went, I know, I hate when like, and then, yeah.

Well, listen, I'm going to get into gastropub culture for a half a second because it is annoying, but you know, this really cool old place with a lot of character was bought by a mystery buyer in an online auction. And then shortly after the sale went through, it was revealed that the buyer was a woman named Jesse Sandlin who competed in season six of Top Chef. Oh. So, yes. So great. She has a place called Jesse O's here in Baltimore. It's good food. And she's going to remodel it and open it and make a chic little gastropub type of situation out of that, which is, you know, I like, you know, I like the restaurants.

I do too. Hell yeah. And I love top chef. And I love top chef who doesn't. Exactly. I love a good dive bar. Me too. Like you're pulling them both directions.

Yeah. It's like, you know, it's like, I love a good restaurant. I'm going to go. I'm going to go line up and I'm going to go try the food. Hell yeah. I love a good dive bar with no one in the box. A character on the wall. Oh, yeah. And sitting in love a good dive bar with no box, a character on the wall. And sitting in there knowing like all the history that happened in there is

like so fun. Yeah. I'm hoping that she keeps maybe the bar or some of the furniture or some some element. I think she will. You got to keep something. She was on top chef. She'll keep it. She knows. She knows. Yeah. So one last fun fact is there is a company called the Baltimore Ghost Tours that will take you around all the spooky locations in the city, specifically in this fellow point, the Fels Point area. And in 2007, on the 100th anniversary of his murder, John Rikowski's remaining family, which was about 50 people all got together and honored John at the WarFrat. They sat around and they sat around and told his story. They sang the star spangled banner. Oh, they did.

In his honor and they had cake. It is, it was reported that John did not make an appearance this night, but a lot of people like to believe that he was at peace so much and join watching from a distance. That didn't feel like he needed to break it up with showing up, you know, I love that. I don't think it would be warm. I don't think it would be warmly received. Even though they're all there for him, like if you were at your grandmother's funeral and you guys are all celebrating her and then her ghost showed up, yeah, I would say. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no'm like, Mom, what's up? Girl, I knew you'd come here. Yeah. So that was the story of John Rikowsky and the War Fract. That's amazing. I love that. I also love that that

just like perfectly lined up with. That really did. Right. That's amazing. There was a theme here. There was. You have shoes to fill. We've been on theme. Will you be on theme? We brought the star spangled banner. No. No. Maybe we'll find something.

We'll try. I'm going to talk about the Martha Washington hotel in Abingdon, Virginia. Ooh. So she has legs. She had legs. Martha Washington. There you go. Legs for days. That's one thing she's known for is those long legs.

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So he was like a pretty big deal. I'd say. And he also had a lot of money. And back then, it cost about $15,000 for him to build his house, which in today's money is a little more than half a million dollars. I was just gonna say, there must be a lot of money. Yeah.

He has lots of things. Yeah. I mean, to have nine kids, you'd have to have like a little something, something saved up. So I would say so. Good on him. Now, the Preston family stuck around for about 26 years. And then he ended up dying like the first year

that they were in the home. And then his wife ended up keeping it up, but I don't know what happened. And then they just somebody bought it. That was it. That was it. The end. They said, let's turn this place

into an all girls college. It's what they did. Now, even though it took that, yeah, it was big. It was a man's shot. And she owned. Yes. Now, even though it changed hands, there are still some of the Preston families' heirlooms in the hotel to this day, like a nine-foot tall grandfather clock, that one of the daughters

actually had shipped to her family from England. Nine feet tall. Nine feet tall. Nine feet tall. And it still works to this day. Wow. That's a clock. Isn't that cool?

I was expensive. Was that to ship, bro? Right? $52 or a million or a million or a million or a million. We're a zillion and four today, probably half a million. That's an imposing clock. Yeah, it's a lot, but it's a nine foot tall clock. How thoughtful to just send a nine foot clock.

Very thoughtful. I love it. I mean, by clock. Very thoughtful. I love it. But by ship. By sea. I was just. By sea, you say? Now, the hotel lobby today is actually what was once the Preston's living room, which is really cool.

Oh, wow. Yeah. I love stuff like that. I just sit and be like, wow, they were just like hanging out in the living room here. And like, now I'm just checking in. Now I'm just checking in for the night. Yeah. So when the building was revamped and turned into a college, like I said, it was named after Miss Martha Washington, the very first first lady, the one with the legs, with the gums. That Martha was that's the what. Yeah. Now

over the years, the locals actually have shortened the name a bit. And now it's just the Martha. That's amazing. So fresh. So true. I like that. It made you kind of think of Martha Stewart, though. I feel like a good one.

I love her. I never expected this to happen. Because whenever you hear like that's so Martha, you're like Martha Stewart, I know. Yeah. Martha Stewart. You know what I'm always going around saying that's so wonderful. You know, whatever. Whatever. I know. Yeah. Martha Stewart. And I'm always going around saying that's so funny.

You know, whatever. You know, she's in her 80s. I know she looks great. Yes. She does look fantastic. It looks incredible. And she's just like, she's a woman about town. She's just like, you'd never know.

She's killing it. She goes on TikTok sometimes, I love it. And she's been the jail. Yeah, exactly. Oh, it's tight, man. Because she wouldn't rat. But we won't get into all that. We just love Martha.

Go, Martha. This is a Martha Stan podcast. Oh, Martha. Well, this Martha, this Martha has seen a lot of shit over the years between the Civil War and the Great Depression, and a lot of the ghost stories that circulate throughout the Martha and originate within the walls. The Martha. It's funny every time I hear it. And these ghost stories originate from within the walls of this place, and a lot of them come from

the Civil War. Yeah. So during that time, a lot of the young women attending the college there they ended up changing courses and more and more of them started looking to nursing as a way to help out during the war. So the men serving were using the school grounds as their kind of training barracks and before long the Martha would become a makeshift hospital for fallen, both Yankees and Confederates. Ooh. Yeah. You're like, I don't know if you want to host those two people in the same places. I was going to say, seems like a conflict of interest happening here.

That's a lot. Ooh. Yeah. Now, plenty of battles were also fought nearby, and much of the surrounding land was like very, very affected by the war, but the Martha remained unscathed. Because it's the Martha. She's the Martha. She's elegant. Yeah. So once the war was over, classes resumed and you know, things went back to normal for a little bit. After it was just like a battlefield hospital, they were like, yeah, quick time out, just quickly going to become a battlefield

hospital. I just picture somebody like pressing a button and like all the desks just go back together and like a professor pops out from like a desk and he's like, all right, class in second. I love it. Yeah, but so things went back to normal for like a little bit. But then the Great Depression rolled around and then that brought a lot of typhoid fever with it during that time period.

So people didn't have money and they were dying so that enrollment dipped a little bit because death and no money that will happen. Yeah. And by 1932 the Martha was officially closed. So she changed hands a couple times but guess what? Don't worry, she was only closed for a couple years. And for a little while, keep a good Martha down. You cannot. I mean, look what happened to Martha Stewart. Exactly. You're about five, just a couple years. Can't believe it's better.

So Martha. So Martha. No, for a little while, the actors and actresses involved in shows that were going on across the street at the Barter Theater would actually use the Martha's housing. And some of the most famous guests during that time were Patricia Neal and Ned Bede, Bede, Bede, Bede, Ned Bede, Bede, Ned Bede. But then in 1935, the Martha

reopened its doors as a hotel, and then from that point forward, people have been sharing paranormal happenings for decades. So let's get into them. Let's go. There's like quite a few spirits that haunt this place. And the first one is no human at all. It's actually a horse. I have a little equestrian haunting for you guys today. We love to see it.

So the horse. The movie. I don't know what it was. So the horse is most often spotted on the southern region of the land, which makes sense because that is where he was tied up when his owner was brought to what once was the hospital on this ground on these grounds. Now the owner of the horse was a union soldier, so like rock on. And he had been attacked by confederates rock down. Rock down. Rock off. Rock down. Rock off. Rock down.

Rock down. So we just went down. Rock down. So he got caught by them, unfortunately. The owner of the horse, he had been attacked by them because they were riding into, I can't say this word, hold on. Abbing done. It kept auto correcting to like a different word. I hate that. It is not the truth. It is a falsity. So they were riding into Abbing done. And as they wrote in, they attacked this huge group of Union soldiers, soldiers standing guard. And as the shots were flying a bullet graze this particular soldier's head. Oh. So he totally fell down off the horse

and he ended up being carried to the hospital. And when he was brought inside, somebody tied up his horse, like I said, on the south lawn. So unfortunately, this guy ended up dying from his injuries. And the horse stood there waiting for him all night. Oh. All night. Now as morning broke, somebody went out to check on the horse, maybe bring it

like a little carrot or something, and he was gone. And there was like no marks in the grass that showed that he trotted away like no sign of him leaving whatsoever. So they actually put on like a hunt for this horse. Like they were trying to locate this horse. And they could never find it. But now, in present day, people will spot this horse on the southern lawn. He's bad. But as they go forward and start to approach him, he'll just disappear.

Good for him. Good for him. Horse, a question in haunted. In your business, I'm doing my horse. Yeah, he's like, are you my owner? No, no, that fox. Who? Bye. Who doesn't's like, are you my owner? No, so that fucked. Who?

Bye. Who doesn't want to just go and just vanish? When you don't feel like talking. I'm a huddle. Exactly. So that's the ghost course. Now, the next paranormal happening is also not a person.

Well, geez, but it is the blood stain from a person. Oh, so. And it's what's that haunted blood stain? What's it blood stain? Yes, a haunted blood stain. a person. Oof. So. And is that haunted blood stain? What's it, blood stain? Yes, haunted blood stain. So as we know, in the early days of the war being fought, the murder though was turned into a hospital. But before that, it was a school.

And the young woman, who, there was a young woman who was attending the school and then ended up being a nurse. But she got wrapped up in a love affair with a high-standing Confederate soldier. Oh, girlie. Now we're not rooting for her. Rock down. Rock down.

Rock down out of here. Rock down. Rock down. Now this particular soldier was also an arc. So maybe that's up to you. I'm shocked. It's Anna, Dan Cote as well. Yes, exactly.

He sucked. What was she looking for here? Really? Like, what is the appeal here? I don't know. Losers? She's in college, so probably. Yes.

She's in herself sabotage phase. Yes. Going full send in the sabotage department. No. So yeah, he's a narc. He was a lookout and a spy for the Confederate side. going full send in the sabotage department. No, so yeah, he's a narc. He was a lookout and a spy for the Confederate side and he was supposed to inform his general Robert E. Lee

on the whereabouts and the high doubts of the Union soldiers. So he had just gotten this job and he knew it was gonna be really dangerous. So before he set out on his duties for the day, he wanted to say goodbye to his girlfriend because he was like, I don't know how I'm gonna fare here. But.

So he, yeah. So he uses this underground tunnel system that runs right underneath the school and also apparently had stairs that led into the building. The tunnel system is like still there and connects the Martha to the previously mentioned Barter Theater. I just don't think it's usable anymore.

Like it collapsed when it went. It's wild to see. That'd be so crazy. That's gnarly. But so as he climbs up into the school, he's making his way downtown to his lover who has bad judgment. And he ends up being spotted by two union soldiers

who shoot him right as he gets to her door. Now, she opens the door hearing the commotion and he falls right at her feet and dies on that very spot soaking the ground beneath him. And throughout all the years since then, the blood stain that was left from him has been known to reappear from time to time despite everybody's best effort to clean it up. There's been new flooring put in. They put carpet over the area at one point, and still the blood stain shows up. And actually, when they put the carpet in,

there have just been like holes that will appear over where the blood stain is. And if you look through it, you'll see the blood stain. That's so like him. That is so like him, just not going away, just snarking forever. He just longs. Yeah.

I know. All of his faults. Because it's probably, bro. It's probably. All of his faults, and I knew he would also be that guy who just won't let it go. Yup. Yup. So the blood stain, people still say it will appear to this day, it just simply won't

say. That's creepy. And how creepy, even when they put new flooring in, there's a few of these kind of stories So the blood stain, people still say like it will appear to this day. It just simply won't say be. And how creep, like even when they put new flooring in, there's a few of these kind of stories in places where like a blood stain will just like consist of some kind of stain will just like not go away. They're always the weirdest and creepiest to me because I'm like, why is this a haunted stain? It doesn't make sense either. Like I understand ghosts because it's like an energy kind of thing.

I think because of his shittiness, maybe he just, that's what he comes back at. He just blows a stain. I like that. When you're a shitty person, you come back as a stain. I mean, he was a stain. So, so maybe that's that. So, fuck that guy. Well, if you have a living at Gross House, you can just use this as an excuse.

And he's like, oh my God, there's ghost stains everywhere. I'm sorry, I like that. Sorry. It stains everywhere. Just so, what do you shitty ghosts come back? Sorry. Can't stop them. Can't stop them, stop.

All right, well, this next paranormal instance is another love story, but we're actually rooting for this one. Is it a person? Yes, yes, it's what we finally have people. And this one also involves some ghostly tunnage, my friends. Oh, yes, there it is. There you go, connection. Okay, music, music, music, connection made. There we go. All right, so there was a young nurse working in this building,

and she fell in love with one of her patients who was a union soldier. There we go. And he was named Captain John Stoves. We love a John. I know, and he was a Captain even, so hot right now. Too good, John. This is what we see in here. Cheers. So Captain John Stoves, unfortunately, had been badly injured on the battleground,

and his soldiers carried him through the tunnel system and up into the hospital using that secret stairway. And he was brought to the third floor and immediately admitted into room 403. So the nurse assigned to his room was a young woman known only as Beth, just simply Beth. And for weeks and weeks, while Beth tended to Captain John, she would also play him his favorite songs on her violin. That's adorable.

That's adorable. Romantic. But unfortunately, over time, at Captain John was not getting any better. And one night he was sitting with Beth and he called out to her, play something Beth, I'm going, oh John! He said, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.

I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. I'm a head-out Beth. I'm at a place. I'm at a place. I'm at, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm. But just weeks later, Beth also ended up dying from Typhoid fever, which I mentioned was running rampant. Oh no. And the day she died, people started hearing her violin music, coming from that room 403 and all throughout the third floor. And some guests.

That's creepy. So even the day she died, it started happening. So it's still a hospital and then it goes back to being a college and people are hearing the music. And then now that it's a hotel, people who have that room will say that they feel a presence and that they can hear her violin softly playing. Alvin has just been shaking his head. Alvin is in a place of nor clear.

It went to not sweet so quickly, so sweet and notebook-ish at first. And then it went to terrifying. so quickly and so sweet and notebookish at first and then it went to terrifying and I don't want to be here. I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like a room with a presence unless it's like the presence of a good smell. And here's the thing. I love a good string instrument. Yeah. Bring me a violin. Bring me some some violin. But like when it's just string instruments in the air. And I don't have, yeah. I need to know where it's coming from.

I need to see it. Yeah. I need to see the person playing it. And then I can be like, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, put a little tip in their case. Exactly, but just in the air, no. Disembodied string music, no. It goes, it goes children's laughter in a distance.

Oh, hate it. And string instrument now. Yeah. No one had this fear, but the sound of a child was playing in the distance that you, and there's not supposed to be a child here. Yeah, no. And no violin.

Yup. Settling in the background playing sad music. Yeah. That sweet southern melody. Which like, what is the sweet southern melody? She's like slowed down. Oh, yeah, she did. Oh, yeah. Flip the patragety. And then it was like hauntingly down. Oh, yeah, she did. Oh, yeah,

flip the tragedy. And it was like hauntingly beautiful. Oh, I'm sure now was because he had just said I'm a head out. You gotta he said plain. He's gonna play. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like all the but actually apparently they're both captain John and Beth are both said to be buried in Abbingdon's Green Spring Cemetery. So if you want to go find them, I don't know if they're buried together. I want to find them. Let's go find them. Let's go. I want to see them. It's good to see Virginia. I want to see Captain John.

All right, well, we have more hauntings first. Oh, number four. Number four. On the list of hauntings comes from the tunnels that I've mentioned a few times. Oh, yeah, those are haunted as fuck. Oh, absolutely. So like I said, the tunnel was mainly used for soldiers. It was also used as part of the underground railroad.

And then after the war, the actors and actresses who were working at the barter theater and staying at the end, like I said, they'd use the tunnel as like a go-back and forth between work and home. I feel like I wouldn't do that. I personally would never. Yeah. Well, through a creepy dark tunnel, yeah. Yeah.

Like all that history in there, I'd be like, I'm gonna walk across the street. Even if there wasn't history in there, I'm not using a tunnel for shit. No. I'm not a minor. No, it's just a lot going on in there. It goes across the street. It's right there. It's right there.

I'm gonna stay up here. How's right there. Go for it. How much quicker could it be? Exactly. Probably not. I could fall. I have to climb up something. I could walk in through the door frame threshold. I don't know.

I don't know. But the thing. Yeah. So many of those people, these actors and actresses, they said they got this weird sense of dread underneath in the tunnel. Yeah. And many think that there's something haunting that tunnel, and they say the spirit seems dark and malevolent. Now, soldiers were definitely

killed down there, and the tunnel also actually collapsed in 1890 and was said to have killed a man who was down there. So some people think that he could be the angry spirit still lingering, but others think that it's the ghost of a Confederate soldier who was killed by Union soldiers once they heard that ammunition was being hidden and stuffed away in the basement of the Martha. I don't want any of that. Yeah, so they think that the ghost is still trying

to protect the tunnel and is stuck on this loop of keeping Union soldiers out. Oh. And that's why the tunnel has such an unwelcoming vibe. Oh. Oh. Creepy. But as recently as 1995, there was a sighting

during a big renovation of the Barter Theater, where two workers ended up seeing two men emerge from the tunnel. But they referred to these men emerging from the tunnel as ghostly figures. No. And they were like, yeah, they weren't actual dudes. So from that moment forward, anybody working on the renovations at the time

refused to work past a certain time. Yeah. They were like, I am not staying here any longer than necessary. Yeah, I'm not here to fuck with that. But I'm pretty sure that the tunnel is closed at this point. So I guess that's like the one spirit that you don't really have to worry about too much.

Ooh. God, not on like that. No, I don't like it. I don't like, like that's what I don't like. Like whenever I'm in Brooklyn in New York, like you'll see people, sometimes you see people dress like it's the 1900s. Yes.

I'm sure it was you off because you're like, is that a ghost? So if you're, if you're, imagine working, you just see somebody come out of the tunnel wearing like suspenders and big puffy pants. Yes. That guy's dressed different. And you just look around.

You're like, everyone else seeing that? Everybody's like, no. Everybody's walking around just like ghost these days. I don't like it. No, I do not like it. They need shirts that say like ghost or not ghost. I'm pure normal. Just vintage, not a ghost.

All right, well guys, we have a fifth thought. So the fifth thought coming from the Martha is a messy man in more ways than one. And this ghost is often spotted in the hallways dressed in soldier's gear and he's using crutches to get around. However, he forgot to wipe his feet upon entrance and he leaves a trail of mud behind him wherever he goes. That's rude. Yeah, so people will try to call out and get his attention and be like, hey, asshole, you're tracking mud everywhere.

But it's no use because he's just in a perpetual state of setting you up to swiffer. But if yours goes ever, where's supposed to ever? But if you do get the chance to see his face be prepared, my friends, because if you get an actual look at him and he turns around and checks you out, you will see that his head is split into two

and there's all kind of brain matter and bone exposed. Oh, yeah. Okay, so I can forgive the dirt tracks because I think he's got more on his mind. Yeah, I didn't just wipe in his feet. I would think. I would think. Got his own set of props.

Yeah, he's got priorities and mud art is not high up on that. That unfortunate person that gets to get around to him is like, hey, guy, the foot, oh god. Oh god. They just start crying immediately, had an impact. And I love it, because it sounds like he just turns around like, like, what the fuck is up? You want to talk? You want to scold me about the mud?

Yeah, check this out. My brain's literally coming out of my head. Sorry, and I have my head. And I have my head. Yeah, I'm going through it, okay. Like, damn. But the most haunted place in the Martha is said to be the basement.

Yeah. Because during the Civil War, a lot of people on the wrong side of the fight were keeping people enslaved and in the basement at the Martha, there were chambers wherein enslaved people were kept. Now, obviously these people were,

they were not living in great conditions at all. And beyond that, they were not living in great conditions at all, and beyond that, they were also being abused daily, so many of them died while being kept down there. And it said that their remains were buried within the walls of the basement. Oh. Oh, my God. So now people will go down there, and they obviously feel like overwhelming sadness.

And they also run into like a lot of ice cold spots. You'll just be walking and then immediately you'll get this crazy chill. And people also will see figures out of the corner of their eyes. I feel like I have goosebumps right now. Yeah, I do, actually. I feel like my goosebumps have goosebumps.

So if you guys wanna stay at the Martha, remember that it's said to be one of the most haunted locations in Virginia, and there are 63 rooms to choose from. And apparently really famous people have stayed in the rooms over the years. Harry Truman, he was like the president one time, Lady Bird Johnson, she was with the president one time, and Elizabeth Taylor's even stayed there. And she was with Taylor. And she's that's Charlotte's dog. Yeah.

There you go. Well, you've done a great, this is a great advertisement for the Martha. I'll tell you where I know where I'm going to be staying. It's Abbey than Virginia. There you go. I love it. Oh, man. Yeah, the Martha sounds wild. I love it. Oh man. Yeah, the Martha sounds wild.

It's beautiful on the inside, but I don't know if I would go there. There's a lot of shit. A lot of shit in there. One of the most haunted places in Virginia. So like, oh. Not saying a lot. Yeah, truly, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, geez. That's just heavy. It was heaviest foot. Yeah. Martha. Oh, man. Martha. just heavy. It was heavy as fuck. Yeah. Martha. Oh, man. Martha.

Yeah. The gosh darn Martha. But I like that there's violins, guys. You know what, I think the theme of this was very like America. Yeah. Yeah. We should theme it something else next time, guys.

We should. We should. We really should. We should. Because we got Star Spangled Banner. We got US Congressman. We've got Martha Washington. Was this propaganda? Did we just accidentally?

We all wink at each other. Total accident. We'll see. Well, guys, this was a blast. Just so fun. Creating propaganda together. So wonderful. And I'd like to recommend creating propaganda with your friends.

What a day. We talked about metal birds, Martha's, man, what a journey. We talked about how one song being played over and over again is not that bad. Yes. Okay. Not that bad. You heard it here first. You could be worse.

I thought you said the same thing, but you said worse. And I said first. Of course. But, Alvin, you need to come back. You and friend need to come back. Please, this was so much fun. And tell everybody where we can find you. Oh, yes, okay.

Well, I don't think I said it at the beginning. I host a podcast called Affirmative Murder with my co-host, Franny, he cannot make it at the time. He has things to do. But please feel free to follow us on socials, any social media platform that you use. You can find us on there.

Our podcast comes out every Monday and we started doing little, you know, listener tail type of things on Thursday. So we're gonna move on to also have this moment. We do these little town hall things every once in a while when we come across different, you know, things that are happening in the world. We've done one on sexual assault in the workplace

and just like the experience as a woman just like walking down the street because we're to do those podcasts and you didn't know in our audience Like 75% women and we just wanted to kind of get the perspective. That's awesome. I Recently went on a trip to Europe with a friend of mine. He was Lightly even though none of its light but he was lightly sexually assaulted at the club. My friend is one of my best friends He's gay and I did not know how to approach the situation

other than like offer him violence. Like what do you like me to offer him? I was like, would you like me to fight this person with Irish, which we had a long discussion about. I would never do that to like a female friend I was out with. I would provide a myriad of other solutions that I could think of, but I couldn't think of any. So we are gonna do a town hall soon.

And I would love to hear from the LGBTQ community about ways that we can help you know, help because people, people, the work ally has been kind of co-opted these days from people that are just like, well, I'm not trying to hurt you. Right. Exactly. You know, are you, you know, are you just saying you're not an instrument and the demise of somebody is not enough? Like what, what can we do to like help make a better space? So we will be doing one of those episodes soon and feel free we do calls if people call in and we just let people speak

and tell their story and stuff. So that's something we're gonna be doing soon. So we would love to have any listeners on that are listening to this, we'd like to call in. Please reach out to us on social media and we can figure out a way in a time where we're gonna do all this stuff. And yeah, that's my whole spiel.

That's amazing, seriously. And we can post all the information for that in the show notes so that you guys can like directly be involved in this because this is amazing and everybody should. Absolutely. I love that. You guys rule. Yeah. I'll spiel. Friends cool to he's a super cool dude. He's cool. I've done it so many types of things. Elena, you've never met a friend, but he is he is a real police tell ask the real person. He's a real person. I don't know.

We've spoke through messages and he's like such a sweet human being. I love it. Aw. I'm jealous. I want to hang out with you guys again. We'll get there. We'll get all of us together. I swear because we're going to do this again.

Yes, this was so much fun. That's how blessed. And until then, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird as America. Ha ha ha. Bye. America.

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