Morbid - Episode 385: Terrifying HometownTales with Two Girls One Ghost!

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

Friends! We finally got to sit down with Corinne and Sabrina from Two Girls One Ghost podcast and let me tell you, it was love. We took turns telling tales from each other's hometowns and with this episode Alaina dove into the legend of Champ from Corinne's hometown and Corinne told us the tragic and harrowing tale of the Coconut Grove Nightclub fire in Boston. This is a two parter, with Part 1 (and different spooky tales!) being on their feed, so check it out!Go listen to all that Two Girls One Ghost has to offer!http://twogirlsoneghost.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I hope you did. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Our lighting has changed, so no one will be able to see it. It's real. It's real. The moon lighting. We're still in a bank fault.

Yeah. But yeah, so we've got some spooky green lighting, which is awesome. It feels very like Disney Ursula. Yeah. You've all swampy swampy. I like it. I like it. Elena did ask for black.

I did. What would have been a whole vibe? A black light. What color do you want the lights? Black. I was like, I think it's not black. So, like my soul. That would actually be so creepy to sit in total darkness where we cannot see each other.

Yeah. Especially with our stories too that we're telling. Right. Yeah. My brother and I, in our very haunted house in Vermont, we would play this game with each other where we put the fog machine on in the basement. And then we would put one of those flashing like strobe lights on, but the really slow shutter, so go like flash. And then it would a few beats would go and then flash, but we'd walk around and just make so much sense. We'd be like right next

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Me and my friends used to play a thing called dangerous hide and seek. We're weak, what? Yes, and we're not as cool as that at all. It's definitely way less high tech than that. But more dangerous. But way more dangerous. Somehow, this was, we would do dangerous hide and seek, I checked them though, but more dangerous. But way more dangerous somehow. This was, we would do dangerous hide and seek,

where she had like stairs going down to the other part of her house where all the bedrooms were. And it was like this long hallway, where the bedrooms were all lined on one side. And then on the left side, there was like storage areas, like slasets and shelving. And we would turn off all the lights down there, because if you turn them off,

there was no windows in the hallway. Oh my God. Pitch black. And then one person would leave obstacles for the other person and then hide. So the other person had to go through in the pitch black, trying to locate where you were.

You were trapped. Literally. Home alone, a trap. No one broke a bone. That's amazing. Truly iconic. Parents is present. Or is this, you know, like the classic ladies? I was gonna do the classic ladies 90s upbringing.

You just do whatever. This was like late 90s, I would say early 2000s. So it was like, but still, that was about that time. Everybody was working. So we were just, yeah. We were just home playing dangerous hide and seek. Let's bring that back. Let's do like a podcast retreat where we just have all of our podcast friends come together

and we like write out some spooky mansions. Let's play hide and see. Dangerous Hinesy. Dangerous Hinesy. We play that strobe like a logon. Yeah, it's a machine hide and see. Can I add, okay, this is the game that we used to play. Before Princess Diaries did it,

and they also did it like the cool way where you mattress surfed. Ways like this slide, but we would do it on stairwells. And my one friend had like a marble floor at the bottom of the stairwell, and the amount of times that I would like jam my jaw into the ground, but then like do it again.

Oh, it's like, that was a one-shot kit. It's a tooth. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. Man, we're dangerous kids, spooky kids. Clearly, we're a very spooky kid. Yeah, we all survived. We did. I didn't play a lot of games. I was trying to think of like a game that come up and then I just couldn't think of one. I was just getting into trouble. Getting in trouble? Yeah, I was.

Just being reckless. I mean, yeah, you know, I did a lot of solo things. My go-to was when I was angry or upset, and I was upset a lot, because I still am very sensitive to human. I would go into my basement and play Guitar Hero by myself and cry. Oh my God! Just letting all of us reach for that

and like, yelling by me, like, yeah, I'm falling right at that. Yeah, I used to write really emotional poems, and then I would leave them in the bathroom for my mom to find. Ooh, I'd be like, I'm the saddest. But I'd like try to be super creative. But you were like, you want to have them in the...

Oh yeah, I mean I was like eight and I was like, I feel like a bottle like a bet burst of eruption with emotions. I mean, you were like the original Katie Perry. Do you ever feel like a paperhead? Oh yeah, no, I was, yeah, but I often did. I was like, yeah, everyone needs to was yeah, but I often did Yeah, everyone needs to it's because I'm the it's because I was born first right? I need all the attention. I mean everyone to take care of me Immediately, are you just I used to just blast Lincoln Park or simple plan? Oh hell yes

Or my go-to I love that I always knew if I came to mom pop us house and I heard that that like you got in like that I was mad like something happened Yeah, and then I would run up there and be like, what's going on? What's going on? Tell me everything. Tell me something truly ridiculous.

Oh yeah, absolutely. That's incredible. The simple plan understood. Oh, of course. Also, I've been to, I have eight weddings that I've attended this year. But I will say one of the best parts of attending weddings is everyone has that, like like emo angst kid coming out of them and there's always one or two songs that Mr. Brighton or like I'm like, yeah, air guitar, yeah. I am, I am very wetting.

We're at a wedding recently that the DJ took a video of all of us because they were so shocked by how many people got on the dance floor during like, emo punk songs. I love, oh yeah. It gets the crowd going. It does. You're gonna have a little bit of you in there. Yeah, you do.

You want to play the Black Parade on our wedding and I was very against it. I was very surprised. I'm not like, let's do it. You should. Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure I would. I would. I should. That's a good thing. Yeah, yeah.

I think we'll do that. You really will. Oh yeah, I do. Wait, oh my gosh, I have to tell you guys. So, obviously I live in Boston nearby you guys, but I was in Hub Hall, which is over by TD Garden. It's this like, food hall place. And there's every single area of it, like all the different little restaurants have music

and whatnot playing. So sometimes it's a little overstimulating. But I was hearing these voices coming from this one stand and I was like, who are these people? I know I know them, but it was hard to pick out exactly the people's voices against the music. So I walked up and I said, what podcast are you listening to? And they said, more bed.

Oh, shit! Thank you, people. That's so fun. That's so fun. That's so fun. That's so cool. I know. I feel like someone risked their job to be blasting. 100%

I'm sure that you should be. I got that loyalty. Yeah, I'm here for that. I was like, who? I know these people. What are you listening to? And you was like, orbit, orbit. I love it.

That's amazing. That's a wild to me still. That's a loyal fan. We're like four years in, almost like we're getting on fire. I think we're having towards five. And. That's a wild to me still. That's a loyal fan. We're like four years in, almost like we're getting on five out of two. I think we're having towards five, yeah. And it's still a wild to me. I know, I know.

It's incredible to see them. It's never gonna get normal. No, no. I hope it doesn't. I feel like that you know, you're doing a wrong thing. I think that's normal. Yeah, I think part of the beauty of being a podcaster too

is like you still pretty much get to live your life and like get your cord from home and stuff. So it's like we're going on red carpets with sand day. I was going to be one day. Casar gonna be as popular as team. We're gonna be the other day taking photos of you guys. And I'll be hiding in my house and my swap. I know we recently started doing a YouTube version of our podcast and we're like, oh my gosh, that means we put on real clothes.

But now I do the thing where I'm wearing sweatpants and bags of things and you only see like, oh, the news can stay for that. Yeah, the news can stay for that. Yeah, I'm just a man of wear. Yeah. Anytime I have an important Zoom, I am a newscaster. Yeah, like I am always a handshake.

You're down and I'm like, yes, I'm just presentable first. Yes, that's all that matters. Yeah. When I was still workingcaster. Yeah, I am always a half-hands fan here down. I'm like, yes, I'm just presentable. Yes, that's all that matters. Yeah, when I was still working in an office, it was like the height of the pandemic. And we had an online virtual holiday party. And I surprised everybody with a game. And I was like, we're going to play a game where, because everyone was dressed up, you know, like sequence

and everything on top. So I was like, we're going to play a game where everybody guesses what people have on the bottom. And you have to still do it yourself. Yeah. It was so fun. It was like, we're gonna play a game where everybody guesses what people have on the bottom and you have to Stimmed up yourself Shillies it was like Exposed herself. It was the best time. It was everybody was Actually, so at that place that I had worked at I had a co-worker who Literally found out that her apartment was haunted by having a Zoom call with an external partner

that was like, oh, is someone else, like who just peeked into the room? And she was like, I'm really glad he's over. I am moving out. Yeah, sorry. A guy walked by behind her in the door well and like peeking and he keep going. That she was like, oh, creepy.

Oh my God. I feel like I saw her recording the Zoom. Because I need to see that. It's so scary. I don't know if I'd wanna see that. No, I keep picturing it. I feel like I saw recording the zoom. Right. It's so scary. I don't know if I'd want to see that. No, I keep picturing it and I don't want to be picturing. Yeah, it's making me think of like signs when the alien walks by the Oh, the alien.

Yeah, the scary scene over. Yes, that's all I could think of. Every time I look at the bottom of a door crack, I always think about the knife going under and seeing the reflect signs. That was a scary movie. It was a scary movie. I've never seen it, but I've seen that one. See what the alien.

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I mean, the village is a classic. We were just talking about the village. We were just talking about the village. So I'm stuck in the village. I loved split. Yeah, oh see, split. I loved right up until the very end. Okay.

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Yeah, do like, I'm like the Stephanie Meyer. And do like, wasn't she in like the breakfast? Yeah, I think she was sitting on her laptop. Yeah, just like a little Easter egg. Mm-hmm. The rim. And then your document's titled season two. Like, yeah.

This is a two da da da da. Yeah, we're gonna have to hold that. That's a good idea. Yeah, people then your document titled season two That's a good idea. Yeah people will totally pause and like zoom in right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Conspiracy yeah, not good of an idea Just a little help just a little crumb. Yeah crumb a nibble on There's a tab where you're listening to two girls one goes. Oh There we go. Oh, we brought it full soon. When Sabrina was working on the show Blind Spot,

we had our mug, yeah. A Karen. A Marin. A girl who's a show owner of Blind Spot was so nice and I was an assistant at the time. And he was like, I truly just got a text from him and he was like, hey, gonna put a two girls one goes mug on the show, just send it over to the set and I was like, oh, this is like your one-of-a-part class.

Yeah. We're famous. Oh my God. I love that. It was really nice. I love that. Yeah. That's so cool.

It was. Yeah. It's very special. It did feel really special. Oh yeah. That is special. I'm upset we need it into no other shows. So, uh, that was the one that we never know.

That was the show though. Yeah, it was a huge show. Like so many people saw it. Yeah. Yeah. That was a huge show though. Yeah, it was a huge show. Like so many people saw it. Yeah, yeah. We actually had someone email us saying, because the character Rich.com is holding it. And someone emailed us saying that they found our show because they saw the mug that Rich was holding and they had to look up what it was.

Oh, yeah. There you go. Because you hear the name marketing. Yeah, two girls won't go. So it's like, what is this? It's like, what kind of porn is this? My favorite thing is when people ask them in the podcast, I maybe I have a list, I don't know. Sometimes I say like, it sounds like I say two girls

one go. And which is really not that I could really go. People are searching that like, should I search it? Oh my gosh. Or people do search it and they're like, what did I just find out? What did I find out? What even if you're like, what did I just put on the phone? What even? You're like, that's not up to us. Yeah, that's not up to us. I had to hold my parents because I wanted them to be on the inside of the joke of our podcast.

I was in want them to be surprised if someone like said something and them not get it. So I told my parents in the gentlest way possible. I guess not gentle enough. My dad blocked it out of his memory. And then a couple years ago when we had a live show here in Boston, my dad forgetting what the podcast name was was in in you end of, basically, puts his armor on both me and Sabrina because he's super

proud of us and wants a photo. And he goes, two girls, one dad. No, no. No. I'm so sad. Absolutely not. And if you met Bill, it just, it also like makes so much sense. He's like the most real one. He's like the most real one. Yeah. The biggest part of the family. Yeah, this is so weird. Everyone is like, what?

It's just so weird. I had to retell him because he blocked it out of the car. So you were traumatized twice. I was like, no, I'm not crazy. Yeah, you were traumatized like, right, so that's it. Oh my god, I'm like, no child. Yeah, I have to say that to their parent. No parent should say that to their child.

I tell you. And he's just so proud. I know. Poor guy. He'll never make that mistake again. No, no. Whatever. My favorite.

It all comes around. Your parents are the reason that you're haunted. So know what, it all comes around. Your parents are the reason that you're haunted. So they traumatized you a little bit. And your parents are the reason you're haunted. So Sabrina's dad has found. You're a little bit. What did you bring us to?

What did you bring us to? What did you bring us to? Go stories. Do you want to start, Sabrina? I feel like, okay. I'll share a nice one from my house. But yours is like dark ones. Because you were the couple ghosts. I said listening bad podcast before we even like got off the ground

Yeah, everybody Yeah, so nice You can talk about pyramid art Yeah, our T.J. You have a term that's me Yeah, you're the top You're the tip I love the tip

Just the tip You just the tip look at you It'll just be like no, I don't know how much I can say I was gonna say like a golden till those It's a go it's a go it's a go it's a go a live one yeah I'm ready for Let's go Thanksgiving turkeys other people gifts go it's good Yeah, you want to know what a hush turkey is. You listen to part one over on two girls.

Yeah, there we go. Yeah, there we go. And then I call back, we're going to have to go together. Of course. We're pros here. We're from trail. Yeah, just the crumb. The bread crumb.

But yeah, bring us some ghost stories. OK, you got. Well, just with some context, my dad is very into the spirit. It has so many encounters. He was born and grew up in Pakistan and like just has, they have like a lot of like spooky stuff over there. My mom likes to say that he battles with a demon because he speaks another language.

They're divorced. This is why she likes to say it. That she, he like would speak another language in his sleep. And he's done past life regression therapy, the hope-nosis, and has been told that his past life is trying to take over his current life. What? Yeah. Well, and his new partner has also confirmed.

Confirmed. Yeah, that he's still still happening. Oh, man. So it's still trying to take over. Yeah. Wow. Yes. So he's kind of like always growing up. He was always one experiencing things. But when I was like four years old, we moved into a new house, and this is,

I don't know if they're now, so I can say it. Brandtburg, New Jersey. It was a brand new house, farmland, first people to live in it. And I started having this reoccurring nightmare. Ooh. And my sister was six at the time, so it was just the four of us. And in my nightmare, I would always wake up the way

that I had gone to sleep. So same pajamas, my room was as it was. And I'd wake up and I'd see this figure in the doorway. And I had the feeling that I had to follow it. So I would follow it down the hallway to my sister's room. And when I'd get to my sister's room, I'd see these black and white orbs fighting over her, like diving down, fighting into her.

And I would wake up in this moment. But I had it for a couple of years, and it would always leave me super unsettled and scared, and eventually it just stopped. Fast forward to, and we had a bunch of hauntings in this house, my brother would wake up crying, saying, tell the little boy I don't wanna play. So we knew the house was haunted. Nightmare.

But, yeah. Just spur-fired back. I hate that. But fast forward to like 20 years later, I'm graduating college and I'm telling my family, my dad, my sister, brother, about breakering nightmares, and I've mentioned this one. We're about to leave dinner.

My dad looks at me and goes, that didn't, that wasn't a nightmare. It happened in real life. And I was like, excuse me, like, what? What? What? Yeah, like you have to tell me, glass shatter.

So he goes on to tell me that when we first moved into that house, so like around the time these nightmares started, he had fallen asleep on the couch watching TV and woke up to a really loud noise. And so he wakes up, he thinks maybe it was just the TV, turns it off, starts locking the doors, it's late at night, you know, locking doors, make sure windows are closed. And the second he starts walking up the stairs, he just got that feeling that someone was

in the house. And he goes up the stairs, checks on me, I'm asleep, my mom is asleep, and he starts walking down the hallway, and like the closer he got to my sister's room, like the more thread filled his like cold body. I have chills right now. He reaches the door handle and it's ice cold. He opens the door and all of the air is sucked out of the room. And it is just like, he was like every instinct is telling him to run, but his daughter is sleeping

in as a parent. So he can't. I hope this never happens to you. I know. I hope not. I'm never coming over again. I hope it does. So we're, I hope this never happens to you. I know, I hope not. Oh my God. I'm never coming over again. I'm so wrong. I'm gonna need a new podcast for him.

So he takes a step towards my sister and she's laying a bed asleep, eyes closed, and her mouth opens. And out of her mouth comes a deep gutter voice saying, get out. Oh, stop it. My whole body just like, Oh, I am a goosebump. I just, I am a goosebump.

I know. I'm a goosebump. I'm a goosebump. I'm a goosebump. I'm a goosebump. I'm a goosebump. I never told this story in this lighting. I know.

I'm scared by it too. Scooby green lights. Oh my God. So he, you know, He was like, no. I'm a, actually, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm daughter alone. My sister wakes up, he picks her up, turns around, and I am standing in the doorway, and he thought I was awake, but apparently it must have been sleepwalking

or like whatever it was, and- Sounds like a trance. Yeah, I don't know, not possessed me, but like I was following this entity, right? Like the dream that I was having, I was following it and seeing like my dad fighting whatever darkness is in my sister. If your dad hadn't entered though, I wonder if it was if you were being led into the

to help her or to just also succumb to this. Oh, and then it would go and get your brother and then like all the kids in one room, because it possessed that thing was trying to take over your dad's life So maybe I'm sure I like yeah, I'm rid of you guys are like Oh, this is a fog that I never yeah, okay because so after that So my dad like brings us all to bed and you know the next day gets the house blessed and apparently nothing bad happened After that and there was like a closet in the house down in the basement that everyone was terrified of. But I never thought of the possibility

that it was like something to do with my dad's past life. Yeah, probably. Because just the way you said there was a white orb and a black orb, right? Is that what you said? Yeah, like good and bad. Yeah, like a dark, like this dark. And they were battling, like, I totally feel like

it was like the dark side, maybe even trying to like turn you guys against your dad. So it could take over, you know. It's interesting too to think of like these are possible fragments of his soul even though he's alive and living. Yeah. But they're presenting themselves away from him and having this battle of who can re-enter him, I guess. Or be the thing coming from a freak out. That just destroyed my skin.

You look at it just like what? I'm really grateful that I didn't hear the reality of it until I was so much older. Right. And you still haven't had the nightmare again? No. Wow, that's so significant. And how often did you have it?

You said years? Yeah, for a couple of years. I mean, it was so long ago, but I truly have a lot of repressed memories and don't remember a lot of my childhood and That is one that four years old like that is one that I remember so vividly I don't know exactly how long it happened, but it was enough for like it stuck through the gaps of memory Yeah, wow. Yeah, and now I get to go home to three little kids. I am not doing to bed time tonight. I'm out.

Creepy kids. You have all the opportunity for my new children to start seeing stuff. Holy. And Crinn was like the creepiest kid. I was I had some past life stuff. I leave through. Yeah. To always amazed when little kids like have memories like yeah, stuff it to it's always like scary It's right the biggest thing, but it's always so specific to you. It's like there's no way to like they can't

Yeah, how would they know a three or four year old town? A thousand miles away in this big right of it Yeah, a listener that emailed us and we actually read a follow-up that they had sent but their child It was the wildest and most detailed case of reincarnation that we had ever heard of. And it was just, it's amazing what people can pick up on. And then you actually do the smallest amount of research, too. You're like, that is right.

Right. And yeah, I mean, no three-year-olds are googling. I know. There's iPad kids now, but they can't read us. What is this town name and my parents? In Maine. And like, has like a building. Yeah, they're not looking at like the buildings

and like when they were built and all that stuff. It's just like one different town. Yeah, well no. Is that age two especially, you're so like open? Yeah, they're so like just pure. Yeah. They just like don't even like like like now three year olds. Oh my god, she used to wake up.

She used to wake up and would tell us that she called him Skeleton. and it was a skeleton in her room And she would be like Skeletone and we were like who's Skeletone? And she was like the French Skeletone Skeletone Skeletone Skeletone And I was like, you know, like and she was like, he a nice guy and I was like, okay, he's a nice guy

And I was like, what does he do? And she was like, he's on my bookshelf. And she would always point to the same spot. And I was like, he's on your bookshelf. And I was like, is he just like, and so I was like, is he just sitting on your bookshelf? And she goes, no. He goes like this. And then she posts like, he's like laying on her bookshelf. Like with his like, leaning, like his fist

and his, you know, on his chin just looking at it. And I was like, a very grand father-y, like looking at, you know. And then just looking at it I was like a very grand father-y like looking at you know She's not scary. He's not scary. I like how she tells you know like Like a centerfold okay Cuz paint me like one of your French girls But then he would go home to visit his family. That's what she was telling me.

Oh my God. So he'd say a skeleton here right now. And she was like, no, he's visiting his family. That's amazing. OK. But he hasn't been there for a while. And I asked. I was like, is a skeleton around?

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But do you know who is around? The Mr. The Mr. I'm just gonna let that like sink in for a second. That's a new one that she came up with. The Mr. He doesn't have eyes, but he can find us. That's what she said. Oh my God!

She said he doesn't have eyes like nipples just come around. Oh my God. Everything just was boundary to me. Everything is a luricent. She said he doesn't have eyes like nipple he can Everything just was one thing is a laryr Glass right now. That was the biggest chill. Yeah, he doesn't have eyes But he can find us because we came we came downstairs one day We've been recording all day and Alina's husband John was like you guys need to sit down for this shit And he starts telling us that he's playing hide and seek with her youngest. I was to her name And And they were hiding under the covers and he was she was like the mister's looking for us and like started freaking

And he was like no like he won't find us like no he won't and she goes oh He'll find us If he was like I was even like, all right, game over. I don't want to go. Missed the Mr. Nice. We asked if the Mr. is nice. And she said she didn't give us a full answer, but she said he takes snacks out of the...

He stills the yoga packs and the cookies. He stills the yogurt packs and the corn. Are the yogurt packs in cookies, Miss? That's what I'm wondering. They're not missing, no? I don't think they've been missing. Interesting. I think she just eats a lot of yogurt and we tell her that. No. That's what I'm wondering. They're not missing, no. I don't think they've been missing. No, interesting. I think she just eats a lot of yogurt

and we talk about that. No, that's what she's blaming it on the mister. But I think, wow. There are some things upstairs. Apparently there's a skeleton. A portal and the mister. Whenever the mister is just, you can just get like,

I don't like that. That's the scariest name I've ever been. Yeah. And she was in a certain room when she started talking about Mr. and Skeleton. Skeleton? Skeleton? Skeleton? Skeleton?

And like, I slept in that room and I was totally fine, but for some reason now, whenever she asked me to take it, she was, will you take me to bed? Whenever I take her to bed and we walk past that room, I don't like it. There's some, there's an energy in there. Oh, the Mr. Who's in that room now? Does anyone sleep in there? That's like, that's like an extra room. It's like a little good, but it's kind of like a catch all room right now. Yeah, it's like not a full room. So that's where you put the guests

when that's like, yeah, we will. Yeah, someday. Yeah, that's T.T.s. room. Right now, it's just kind of like everything is in that room. I wonder if there's something in the room. Yeah, I'm wondering if it's connected to some kind of armor factor, something. Yeah, because we have a bunch of stuff in that room. Well, and she, that used to be her room, and then she ended up switching, and she never slept in that room. Yes, she never slept in there.

Oh. Like that was a period of like she would scream. Like wake up screaming. Oh, no. So it's there's something in that room. I'm going to say to your four-year-old. Maybe it was your right. You're welcome.

Your twins, do they see the mister? No. They're fine. No, they saw stuff in our old house. That was old. do they see the mister? No, they're fine. No, they saw stuff in our old house. That was old. Can you tell the scissor story? Our listeners are like, not the scissor story. I need to know the scissor story.

Oh yeah. Then we need a Korean ghost story. I'll give you a pala story. I've got horrifying ones, but I'll end with a nice one. Give us a nice one. I don't need the one you two, though. I want a horrifying one. Yeah.

I think our listeners all want a horrifying. Okay, okay, I'll just do this one quick because it's like that they've heard it like a million times. But it's so good. It's still terrifying. It was when they were first in their big kid beds and we had put the beds next to each other because they just always wanna be with each other.

And the beds, the way we oriented them where the door was on one of their left and then it was like they they were right against the wall. And so they just would not go to sleep the first night and we were like, oh, it's just the new bed. Yeah, right. I think something is going to go in in there. And we were like, it's okay.

And we figured we were like, we'll just be up all night. Like, we were kind of expecting this. And then all of a sudden, they were like, upset calling us in. And so we like, run in the room. And we're like, what's going on? And one of the twins was like, people keep coming in my room and they have scissors and they're trying to cut my sheets.

And I was like, oh, fucking. And she just lays this out. And we both were sitting, John literally went, but he was like, I'm out of it. Yeah. I don't know what to do. And I'm like, okay, this is a moment right Yeah. I don't know what to do. And I'm like, okay. That is just a moment right now.

It's like a core memory moment. And I need to handle this correctly. And I can't freak out and like scar her for life and be like, yeah. The fuck are you saying? The way I would have burned the house down. So I was like, pack up the things and go.

I, and so I was like, are they here now? And she was like, no. And I was like, okay. And she was like, they're right there. And she pointed, she got the doorway right outside the door like pitch black pitch black and that like little space in the hallway so I look out there and I'm like okay and I'm like they're there right now and she's like yeah and I was like okay so I just hate thinking that there's like five little

people with their stories also watching you the movie that's what I was like oh saying. And I got a blader. I was like, oh my god. But I was like, OK, so I walked into the hallway where she said they were. And I just stood there in the doorway. And I was like, are they near me? And she was like, yes. And I was like, OK. You were so brave.

And so I was like, she told me that I was like, you didn't. And I literally go, guys, you're scaring her. This is her room. Can you please stop doing that? And then I was like, did they? Wow. And she was like, he was like, yeah. And I was like, okay. And I was like, you're okay. And then like that night, we just stayed up. You're such a good mom. Oh my gosh. They never came back. Right. They never came back. And my child was like, check on her my bed. I'd be like, you check under the bed. I scared. I get rid of the whole cage.

What do you mean? Why? You know what it is. It's one of those things. Like, Jon and I have like an agreement with everything that like if one of us is like, up, this is too much for me to handle. Yeah. I don't want to ask to like step up. Step up.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. That was one of those moments that Jon was like, this is yours. This is yours. He'd handle like the vomit and he's like, I got that. Like you handle the paranormal stuff. Oh my gosh. And you try to show ghosts when they go.

The American version when they're down in the basement. And then there's just like all of the spirits out there. Yeah, I understand. Like trying to figure out the hot water heater or whatever. I could just, that's the kind of thing I was picturing. Right, yes. They're all around you staring at you. And they're just, yeah, you're apparently,

they never came back. You have to, yeah, claim your space. And they never had a problem in that room again. Never. Well, that's good. They slept like champions. Wow. And they're bed away from that orientation, but.

Yeah, yeah. Because I was like, this is a little freaky. I don't want you wicking into that hallway. My kids are scared, and then I, you're the first call, so you've been home, so you're there. Oh, what's established, Dom, and you feel the nice. Please do. You know what feels like a fix, but it's actually

the opposite to a spooky room. I always thought, like, oh, what if I just have a canopy over my bed So then I can't see what's out but then it makes it so much worse Yeah, right because then you're like what's on the other side of the cloth? Yeah, I need to see yeah, like under the covers isn't for me No, I I also like I have to keep my bathroom door open and Because I'm afraid that someone's gonna be in the hallway.

When I shower with a bathroom, I'm a door open. I do that too. I can't. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the door closed. No, I don't like that. I'm with it open. I'm in a shot. I'm in a shot.

I'm in a shot. Sometimes I keep myself a little wet. So I have the advantage of sliding past them. I'm just sliding past them. I can't grab any. You gotta think about these things. I just walk. I walk myself in there.

I leave all the doors in my house open all the time, except when I go to sleep, I close the spare bedroom door because it freaks me out. But every other door is open. Isn't that interesting that we can feel certain parts of our houses that we still like? Yeah, we all trust. That's just don't know where it's like this. We shouldn't close the door here. There's some reason for that for sure. Especially if it's not the same throughout the whole space. There's something else. Oh my god. There's my whole body to shoot you out. Oh my god. I'm scared. I scratched myself when I tried. I was like, I guess before I turned around just because you were like that I didn't even hear what you said, but you just said like that man and I was like

And actually you and you guys are just we actually the charm right before we were the story of the charm right before we were ever putting out. Is this so embarrassing? So, I'll examine it right. So, we get up after doing our first part, which you should go listen to on two girls one ghost. And I'm holding this charm. And so we get up and we go hang out for a second, and then we come back in the room,

and I was like, oh my god, guys, there's a charm on my seat. And then... And the charm had been a part of the story that you told me. Yeah, a charm had been a part of the story. It's where I was looking at it. Oh my gosh. Like this is it. I have time.

I'm telling you that. I'm telling you that. This is from beyond. It's a basketball. I don't know. It was when it was at you that said it's a basketball. I think Sabrina went up. Yeah, it was when whoever said it's a basketball that I was like, oh, fuck.

I looked at it my shoes and shoes and I'm wearing like, Nike's with cute little charms on them. So it was not a gift from my spirit guides. It came off of my shoe. Yeah. So we solved a mystery. We did. It wasn't really that magic mystery.

Yeah, no. But from love. We were just, yes, it's definitely something. Yeah, confirmation bias and it's pure. Oh yeah. Honestly, it was brave of you though to admit. Yeah, it's really hot. Confirmation bias at its purest. Oh yeah. Honestly, it was brave of you, though, to admit. Yeah. That's a juicy discovery.

The wheel's turning fake. I just went like, oh, fuck. Oh, no. I am wearing basketball shoes. That would be mine. That was mine. That is mine. Oh, my God.

Oh, man. Well, to give you guys a few stories from my childhood, oh. We always say that my family's haunted and not the actual home because we built our house. So we were the first people to live in it. We know the family who owned the farmland that was then sold to the developer to build this neighborhood, and they had it in their family for generations. So to our knowledge, on this specific land, there's absolutely nothing. But for some reason, our house has been incredibly haunted, my entire childhood.

And actually, a few houses down, our neighbors had to have their house exercise. It's me shit, because there was so much activity going on. So, things like that. A bit early. A bit early. Yeah, have a lot of day-to-day run. Apparently, I'm really haunted. But yeah, there's been stuff neighborhood. I'm not a neighborhood. I'm not a neighborhood. I'm not a neighborhood.

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Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a neighborhood. Apparently, I'm not a just your imagination, you're like, the classic thing. But it was conflicting with my mom being like, I see them too. It was like, what? It was like, what? And then of course, my personality too,

like I have a lot of pride in whatever and I was like, dad, that's super unfortunate that you aren't blessed with that I need to see. Sorry. I know it's there though. Yeah, so we were all just experiencing so many hauntings. And my house itself has sort of like, we call them like the resident ghosts.

We have the same spirits that a lot of people see, but occasionally there will be a spirit that comes through that will only have one or two experiences with, and I would like to think that the reason that they are no longer theirs, because we essentially have to like banish them and do some cleansing practices and whatnot to get them out.

The witch is called Ren. But I would just call Ren. You know what's so funny is like some of the stories that I have to, like I've been tucked in multiple times in my bed, like someone going, which is actually really nice. But it feels good and I'm not scared.

And that moment I'm like, oh, that's nice. The comfort aid. Yeah, very motherly. But I think like the visual of it would be so scary. Oh, yeah. But I had this one, the scariest experience I had in my house. And every one of my family members

has a scariest experience. And they're all very different from one another. But the scariest I had was I also slept with my bedroom door open, because I felt like I needed to see. And I always had my mom keep the hall light on and some night lights throughout the hall as well. So it was completely lit up so needed to see. And I always had my mom keep the hall light on and some night lights throughout the hall as well. So it was completely lit up so I can see.

And I woke up probably around like 10, 30, 11 PM and I am hearing something. And the way that my bed was, was I had it pushed into the corner so that I could face out and be protected and then my back would be protected with the wall. Because I couldn't be exposed to any side. So I was facing the way that I could face out and be protected, and then my back would be protected with the wall. I couldn't be exposed on either side. So I was facing the way that I made myself sleep every night, was I was facing the door. And the door was facing at the top of the stair wall.

So basically, the stairs turn, and then I see the last five steps, the landing, and then the majority of the hallway, as it loops back to my bedroom. And so I start to turn, the landing and then the majority of the hallway as it loops back to my bedroom. And so I start to turn and I see someone's hand on the railing and it is very slowly. Like this whole experience took like 30 minutes.

It is like the pace of a snail going slowly up the railing and I can start to see the hand and the arm and it's this man and he's older. Like his hands are, he's lived a life. Like I have tears of that wrinkled, probably not. I'm sure I've told you a piece of it. Oh my gosh. Oh.

And he gets to the top of the stairs and I can see what he's wearing. And he's basically wearing a combat pants, cargo, has a bunch of pockets, whatever, and a t-shirt. And his hair is a military cut and it's super blonde white. And then he starts to turn and his hand is still on the railing. And he's turning and now it's like on the banister that is, is horizontal and he's coming down the hallway. His face is filled with scars.

His face looks so evil. And now he's facing me, he's staring at me. Oh my God. And I'm in my bedroom. And I sit up in bed so that I can see him continue closer to me as he starts to get out of sight in like my blind spot of my doorway. And so we're staring at each other

for probably 20 minutes. Oh my God. I was probably 14 or 15. Holy shit. Yes. And he's making his way slowly inching. And I'm like barely breathing, because he feels so evil.

And the way he's looking at me, he's not like just this residual haunting or like a confused spirit that's just a shock to see me. Like he feels horrible. Oh my God. And he's finally... Oh my God. I am right now.

Right now. Right now. No, no, no, no. So he disappears out of sight for a moment and I'm still standing there, or sitting in my bed, and then eventually he makes his way out of that blind spot into my doorway. No.

And he's standing in my door frames, staring at me for probably another five minutes. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. How did you trick yourself? I was like, I did not barely have breath. Like, there was no, I can even scream like mom. Like, there was no frozen screen like mom, like no, no. I would have been able to work. Yeah, I mean they say fight or fight,

but I feel like freeze is such a real reaction. And I think in terrifying moments. Like the more often reaction, you know? Yeah, yeah. Because you also have to like evaluate what's happening. Yeah. And especially when it's something paranormal, like what the hell are you saying this?

What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do with all your theory? I could have gone could go through him. Yeah come on like you don't even know throw punches I don't know what you know right exactly and so I mean this whole ordeal is taken like 20 25 30 minutes or whatever of him coming around So his slow is molasses like it could not be a slower crawl for this guy to get close to me I wonder why the next part is so terrible. Oh no, no, no. No, no. A full on sprint. Oh! From the doorway to me on the bed, I'm sitting up.

When he gets to me, I can't see him anymore, but I'm blasted back onto the bed. My body whips back. I'm now laying down. I shoot myself back up and I sprint to my parents room and I get my mom. What the fuck? He, my mom.

Can't believe I don't know this. Oh yeah, I don't know why she didn't let me just sleep in between my mom and my dad. I mean, I'm 15, it's a small bed for like three adults to be there. I was terrified so my mom was like, okay, you'll be okay, you'll be okay. I'll come back and sleep with you.

So she comes back to my room with me. I don't see the man anywhere, but I'm like super paranoid. Yeah. So it's like, I don't see the man anywhere, but I'm like super paranoid. Yeah So it's it's like I don't know 11 11 15 at night She sleeps I'm against the wall. She sleeps so she's looking out at the doorway Finally I fall back to sleep I wake up again a few hours later because I feel like I Know sent something and I turn around and he's at the doorway again sent something and I'd turn around and he's at the doorway again staring. No, I see there. Why is he still there?

I didn't. Yeah, so I stared at him for another five minutes and then I just like lowered myself and just like faced away and didn't sleep the rest of the night and checked a couple more times and he had been gone. But that was my scariest experience that I ever had. That is the scariest thing I've ever had. He never came back after that. I just like why was he moving so slowly? Yeah, that whole time. And then a full on sprint to right. And then a full on sprint. He was trying to torture me.

The full on sprint. Or do you think he was so scary? Do you think like he had to go up the stairs that slowly to like build that energy and know what he was doing? He was doing it. What I had. My thing is was he getting energy from the fear you were feeling. Exactly. And he was taking it all. Oh my God. And finally, I was trying to possess me. I don't know. And today we're going to talk to that man now because he's

still in by me. Yeah. That man is Mr. He lost his eyes. He lost his eyes. He will find you. He lost a few things. Oh my gosh. That's by far the scariest. Well, I'll give you a quick one to end on. That's a lot nicer with your mom. Holy shit. I need something nice. I am not well bitch. I'm talking about the dog.

Oh, that's cute too. Yeah, the dog one. OK, so I had a dog growing up. His name was Wrinkle's. He was completely smooth. Wrinkle's a smooth dog. That's hilarious. He was wrinkly when he was little.

We thought he we didn't know he had all the skin. He brought of it. Yeah, he very quickly. It was completely smooth. Rincoles was smooth, Doc. That's hilarious. He was wrinkly when he was little. We thought he, we didn't know how to get all the skin. He brought of it. Yeah, he very quickly. It was embarrassing. But he was a black dog. And throughout my childhood, we had multiple people, multiple of my friends say that they saw a black dog. And we always were kind of like, oh, it must have been wrinkles.

And I was like, no, I saw another black dog, like a black lab with a red collar. And so we kind of had heard from other people, mostly children, that they were seeing another black dog, like a black lab with a red collar. And so we kind of had heard from other people, mostly children, that they were seeing another black dog in our house. And then my mom, what of her college friends was visiting. And his partner was sitting at the kitchen table and said, oh, I don't mean to alarm you guys.

I don't know if you believe in spirits at all, but there's a ghost dog here. That's so cool. Yeah, and the ghost dog did a little drive-by kiss, like walked under the table and kissed her leg. That's the cutest thing ever. It is really cute. And so we were like, oh my gosh,

this whole time, we thought our dog was like, as an only child, but clearly there's another dog here, but we'd never seen the dog. The only time anyone in my family saw this dog is, this is probably one of my mom's scariest moments, but she woke up in the middle of the night because what she thought at the time was my dog jumping on the bed and cowering had woken her up and my dad was out traveling for work. So she makes up to a black dog that she thought was wrinkles getting

onto the bed and shaking and being right by her and she's like it's okay it's okay wrinkles like trying to calm him down. She looks up and there is a black mass like a mist coming down the hallway of her bedroom towards her and she's like I got to protect my dog and she just goes get out in my gills and the mist like dissipates and kindates and disappears in a moment. And the dog is cowering to the side of her and then my dog gets out of his crate and my mom looks down and sees wrinkles and then looks to the dog on the bed and realizes it's not wrinkles.

And in that moment, he was horrified. She was so scared. Yeah, he ran to my mom for a critical. Oh, because she knew she was like, she'll get me. It's not wringles and then in that moment he was horrified. She was so scared. Yeah, he ran to my mom for a critical. Oh, because she knew she was like, she'll get me. Right, exactly. Oh my god. So that was the only time we've ever seen the ghost dog.

But yeah, there's a black dog with a red collar that's living. Wow. He just dried by kisses. Yeah, dried by kisses. He's a little bit of sleep. He's a little bit of sleep. He's a little bit of sleep. He's a little bit of sleep.

Right, exactly. That's what we need. And then when my dog had passed away, the six months after he passed, there was a lot of experiences we had with him. We have some like a photo proof of a few things too, but he kicked all the ghosts out for a solid six months. It was dead quiet in our house. We were going to leave the protector.

Yeah. He was like y'all had the upper hand when I was alive, but now he's out. And he's like, there's my territory. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, it was super peaceful to live there for those six months. Yeah, it's fun.

Yeah, it's cool. Wow. Those are a few. They come back. Holy shit, I want more. Yeah. I know. We were recently talking about doing an episode

where we just talk about our personal experiences. Yeah, like the Sabrina episode. The Sabrina episode. The Sabrina episode. Yeah. Sabrina was like, oh, I could probably do mind in like 30, 45 minutes. I was like, oh, I think I need like. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour.

3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour.

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3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. 3-week tour. their colleges like every place has been haunted. So we just bring the ghosties. Yeah, exactly. Every place I've been in has been haunted. And we get to bring ghosts home with us because of you. Oh, man. I always say that cron has probably come home with your kids. Oh, you like them.

You'll get the way from you. You'll get Mr. tone in the Mr. Goh's home of the cron. Yeah. Yes. You might get the Mr. The Wink of the Little Boy meeting.

You might get the Mr. The Wink of the Little Boy meeting. I'm kind of like wanting back. Yeah., I'm like, I'm all skeleton. I like that he went to see his family. That he probably announced to your child too. I'm gonna do some traveling here on my plans. I might see him on. Yeah, he just told like a general debt.

He was like, hey, I'm gonna go see my family. I do wonder what your transparency here with this relationship. I'm gonna get on for a little while here as well. I'll be. If Mister came though because Skeleton is not there. Maybe because maybe Skeleton was the protector. Yeah, exactly.

That's why he was just like, yeah, I'm watching him. He was watching him making chrishoes okay. All right Skeleton, come back from your vacation. Skeleton, we need you. We need you. We love Skeleton. Oh, hi, Skeleton the way. And that's exactly how she would pronounce it too.

Skeleton. Skeleton. Yeah, Skeleton. Well,'s exactly how she would pronounce it too. Skeleton. Skeleton. Yeah, Skeleton. Well, the East Coast itself is just extremely haunted. I feel like no matter where we are, there's so much history behind it, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so many spirits behind every place too, so. So, yeah.

Which is a beautiful transit. I was going to say that too. What a silk done. Well, yeah. You guys, what? Five years later, you had like half way there. I loved it. Because today, what we did in the first part of this was we took some hometown cases.

We did Sabrina's hometown in a Boston case. Woohoo. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Point of acting as a whole thing. It's a guy. Yeah.

You know what? And today, I am going to do something from Corinne's hometown of Chittenden County, Burma. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I liked that little song. And Corinne's going to do something from Boston. So, we're keeping this going here.

I can start it off because this is really fun. This is a very fun one. I'm excited. It's fun. I don't know anything about this. I'm going to talk about champ. Yeah. The way you call it.

Why not? Why not? Who doesn't love a cryptid? Yeah. And champ seems awesome. Like I love it. It doesn't get enough. Doesn't get enough.

Everybody is like all about nesting.'s like, we have champ right here. That's the thing. Like I'm like my last name is Irkhardt. Like Nessie is in Loch Ness outside of Irkhardt Castle. So I was like, I'm a Nessie head. Yeah. And I saw this and I was like, wait a second. It's just right here.

It's the Cousin. It's the American Cousin. Yeah. And I'm like, this doesn't get enough. Yeah. No, I didn't know nearly enough about it. I knew the name champ and I was like, I don't know. Yeah, now I didn't know nearly enough about I knew the name champ And I don't know and then when I looked into it, I was like okay, okay, I think champ exists. I do say and I believe in champ Yeah, I believe in nessie and I believe in champ. Yeah, so this is obviously a lake monster from lake champ plain

This is the Adirondacks biggest lake at 120 miles long. That's pretty big. It's a big lake. Pretty big. It's a freshwater lake. And I had no idea what that meant. Also, I was like, are there non-fresh water lakes? Like I am so jeered up with that ocean. Yes. Literally. I was like, what's a non-fresh water lake? I was literally looking it up and it's like, there's a no-shin. That is not fresh. I was literally looking it up and it's like there's a there's a notion Oh, okay It's the boundary between New York and Vermont. It also runs up north to Quebec. So it goes so you can illegally cross the border There you have anyone needs trail

Just throwing it out And all of a sudden they see an uptick. I did hear people would go cross Champlain to drink because the drinking age in Canada was 18. I actually had a fake 18 year old ID when I was 17. Oh my God, that's awesome. So I could go party in New Year's. In Canada.

And in Canada. That's very not going to want to try all of you. That's my fake 18 year old idea. Yeah, and I'm making people hunt out for real quick. I can vote, so just saying. This was also the sixth great lake. But like Pluto before her, the title was revoked. I don't know how her roots.

I didn't know that. 18 days. I feel so bad. Only 18 days, which is wild That's like a rude, it's very rude How did I get through? It's Pluto and for a long time For decades

I don't know I guess people still consider it a great lake Because it's pretty great Pluto is still a planet to me It is, it's hard to get the ties Yeah People are bullying Pluto They don't appreciate that

I don't even We have to defend her We do create shirts that say team George and team Pluto. Yeah team George is from part one There you go team. Another callback To listen to both part you have String people get it. Yeah, if you know, you know No, it's not in late shim play, there's always been sightings and rumors about like little, little creatures, little monsters here and there.

But this is not just like fairy tales. Like, there's real sightings here. There's real stories, there's some real evidence. And actually has made scholars and scientists take a little second look here. So this is not just one of those, like, you know, this is a sea monster in the lake. Like, it's not an old wives tale. It's current. It is current. And it goes way back because it begins with

like the Abanaki tribes in the area. They lived and hunted near Lake Champlain. It obviously wasn't sheet and lake Champlain always, but they were there for years and years. They were known to share tales and reports of huge serpents that lived in that lake. And it wasn't just champ, there was like several huge serpents and like then smaller ones. Like those are some of the different little monsters. Wow. Wow. And they referred to these creatures as Giddescog.

I hope I said that right, I probably didn't I apologize. You did your best. I did, I did my best. And they said it was found in what is now Lake Champlain. Wow. would actually warn French explorers about keeping out of the lake and respecting this serpent. And that was for their own safety and the safety of their tribes. They were like, don't fuck with this. Please.

They know how to live harmoniously with all the monsters. They were like, fuck it. Why do I have a fear that they didn't respect it? Well, they would tell them. Because colonizers. They were very little respect. They respected like a sick. Yeah.

So they ended up writing, well in the canoes, the men should not make loud noises or fire their muskets without good reason. Neesers should they throw anything in the water. So they were very specific. Don't throw anything in there. That's just rude and pollution.

Do not make lots of like racket when you're on the way there. You gotta be quiet. They were serious about it. These are like the things you're not supposed to do in shark infested waters too, which is a little creepy that it's like that it's very similar. Right. Yeah. This thing will attack you. And they do. They have learned to live harmoniously with this thing. Right. So they were like, don't fuck it up for us. So actually, according to the untold story of Champ, a social history of America's Loch Ness Monster

by Robert E. Bartholomew, it's a really cool book. Check it out. There are alleged pictographs of champ-like animals at rock regio or split rock, which is in near the deepest part of the lake. There's actual pictographs in there that they were like, big serpents. No way.

So it's like, this is amazing. It goes back. This goes so far back. It does. Now annoyingly, Samuel De Champlain, who the lake is actually named after, has kind of always been attributed with having seen Champ for the first time, and that's just not true. Like the indigenous people were the ones who saw them first.

And it's like a very fake story that people spend about him seeing it first. Like I think it happened in like the 70s that like someone wrote an article that was the first one and we're like, this is what he saw. And it wasn't what he saw. He did spot some smaller mysterious little monsters and spoke about how the indigenous people warned him of bigger ones in the lake. And he wrote, there is also a great abundance of many species of fish. Amongst others, there is one called by the natives. And I hope I say this right. Chasaru, I believe it

is, which is of various lengths. But the largest of them, as the tribes have told me, are from 8 to 10 feet long. I have seen some five feet long, which are, whereas big as my thigh and had a head as large as my two fists, with a snout two feet and a half long, and a double row of very sharp dangerous teeth. Its body has a good deal of the shape of a pike, but it's protected by scales of silvery gray color, and so strong that a dagger could not pierce it. Holy shit. So when I first read that, I was like, that is a monster.

Yeah, one might say a monster. But scientists believe this might have actually been him seeing a garfish or a gar pike. Oh, alligator gar. If you look it up, you're probably gonna agree. It also sounds basically what it said. A little bit like a lamp ray, too. Yes, it does.

The lamp rays are, they have these circular mouths with multiple rows of teeth. And they usually latch onto the side of fish And you know, yeah, like the thing for me, but they're little that's what I'm But I'm the headland headland. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, those are angler fish You two know so much about bitch. I know what is happening. I don't know Fish expert. We're late people. You know, we're up the sea I don't know. We're late people, you know? We're up the sea.

We're up the sea. But yeah, these like the garfish are like these long, like serpentine kind of looking things and they are like silvery. So okay, since they're not crazy long though. They're not like 25 feet long like where we start seeing ribings. And they don't necessarily have the flexibility

of what we attribute. So like they're not like slithering around. Like they just have a little bit of that shape. Body. So they think that might be what he was referring to when he was talking about that. But according to the book I just mentioned, the first real known sighting of champ as we know champ was on May 18th, 1808. So way back.

And the public advisor newspaper reported, this is all it said, Lake Champlain, a monster has lately made its appearance on the water of the lake. Okay. That's it. There was no article. Just like a, they were like, headline and then everybody don't know what to tell you. Have fun back picking. It's closed. Like more information. Seriously. They're just like, yeah, I guess a monster started making appearance and everybody's like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So dope.

No one to look out for. So everybody was just kind of like, okay, until Saturday, July 24th, 1819, when the Plattsburg Republican newspaper reported from a man named Captain Crumb. Captain Crumb. Captain Crumb. Captain Crumb. I believe him.

I'm gonna travel the world with him. I just trust him with any of my secrets. I just, I believe Captain Crumb. He just don't pull some, I bet he smells like gingerbread. Oh yeah. Oh absolutely. He's just a salty sea captain.

Yeah. He's so comforting. Yeah, I like him. Well, Captain Crumb was on a ship, on his ship. He had a ship. He's a captain after all. Of course. This was around 8 a.m. on that day. And he was going through Bullwaga Bay. I hope I said that right. Off of Port Henry, New York. And when he saw what he described as a straight-up sea monster in the lake, he said it was black. It was about what he said to be, which I love the precision here. He said it was about 187 feet long.

I love how specific 187 feet long. I mean, he's a sea captain, so he probably just knows measurements. That's the thing. He has a lot of people. That's the thing, because a lot of people got mad at this, and we're like, that's very specific, and I think he made it up. And I'm like, no, have you seen the low drop? It's good at measuring. Yes, I know it. I know it. I know he's fine. I believe him. There's like those certain people

who can draw a circle perfectly. Yeah. I think he is a perfect measure. I think so too. I think he could tell you your age, like you just said to the months that he looked at you and he'll feel that about him. Maybe you're height.

Maybe you're height. Yeah. And I don't even think he would tell anyone their weight. No way. He knows better. He knows better than that. I believe that about him. But he said this thing had a head that looked like a seahorse, which sounds adorably terrifying. Yeah. It's us. I love a seahorse. Like a shi-hors. A dat big is scary. And enlarged seahorse. Yeah. That would stress me out slightly. Yeah, I like it a lot. But he said when he saw this thing,

it did a breach out of the water that was like 15 feet out of water. I don't love that. He also saw a white star on its forehead. Ooh, celestial. A diabol. The universe. Yeah.

There you go. Kised by the universe. Wow, that was so pleasant. That was crazy. KISSED by the universe. I love that. Wow, that was so pleasant. That was crazy. That should be a free gift. You're channeling Mr. Crumb. There you go. Mr. Crumb is here with us.

Speak to us. It is like, it's true. And there was also, I guess, a red band around its neck, like a red band of color around its neck. And honestly, I was imagining a color. It was a sad, like, a little bandana. It was a shadow, like a little bandana. I had a little, there was like a monotidle human riding it. Wee!

It has a little tiny saddle, set a dragon rider's attack. Yeah, see horse riders. Yeah. This thing also has three teeth. Oh, that's a giant animal. That's adorable. It's so cute. It's so cute.

Fred, I imagine there's like a big gap between all of them. Yeah, I think it was like, he said one on the top and then two on the bottom, He's not cute. He's not cute. I don't even imagine there's like a big gap between all of them. And I think it was like, he said one on the top and then two on the bottom, which is like the cute, it's like I'm really cute. And you know, they're not pointy, you know, they're like little bounds. Yeah, just like, he's a vegetarian for sure. Yeah, absolutely. He's like a giant before time.

Yeah. He's like a giant sea toddler. Yeah. Oh, I love it. But then it goes into Chrome describing him having eyes, the color of a peeled onion. Oh, and that took me out a little bit. So it was like, I was in and then I was incredibly specific. Yeah, so it's very, very, very white.

I feel like it almost makes you think like blind. That's the thing. It makes me think of like, yeah, you're right. Yeah, like there's so much to say. Like I think of like, a dog with a cataract. Yeah, but can be cute film over the eye kind of thing. But I'm like a little film on her right. She did a adorable.

She was so cute. Yeah, and we just, but this one also came out. Oh, that was an experience. So, welcome. Yeah, that's cool. The rest take it out. So she's just walking around with it. But she was still beautiful.

I'm sure she was beautiful babe. And she has her eyes now only to saw her in a dream. It's true she came back after we put it to sleep and she had both her eyes. Oh that's so beautiful. She came back on in a very big day. And I saw both her eyes and I was like, you got your eyes back girl. Oh my gosh. How precious.

She really is. She's a really nice experience. Yeah. I really do. Yeah you do. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, yeah, I really do. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I wish I love that. Yeah, it was beautiful. I was going to say the the glaze or the color of the eyes might make sense to because Lake Champlain is very deep. So if these are creatures that spend most of the time in the deep,

they don't necessarily need the right exactly for the surface, right? Exactly. Like bringing it back to the anglerfish. They have that weird eye, right? Because they don't need that. Because they're on the bottom of the ocean. Right. So that's probably exactly what it would be. Right. Because they do think that he lives in the deepest parts of the ocean, of the ocean, of

the lake. And that's how he's able to stay out of sight for so long. Wow. But you know, that's a little creepy. And he apparently moved very quickly through the water. And then he just dove under and that was that. Well, don't we all have places to go? We do, and so does Champ.

Yeah. And but Champ likes Mr. Crumb. He does. He needs a captain crumb. He was like, I just need to say hi. Yeah, check him out. And then he went back down. A little foggy, I would.

Yeah, I would. I was like, very flattering. If you see a cryptid, they've chosen you. Oh, yay. Depending on the cryptid. Yes, sure. Flattering depending. Yeah, yeah. But this one, I just want to flatter this've chosen you. Oh, yay. Depending on the cryptid. Yes, sure. Flattering depending. Yeah, yeah.

But this one, I just want to flatter that spot. This one's flattering. Oh, yeah. I feel like I'd be flattered no matter what. Even if it was like the flatwoods monster, it's the good. Oh, moth man. I feel like, yeah. Oh, moth man, really.

Yeah, let's go on a date. Let's go. We actually asked people when we were doing a meeting great for the show, who they would want to go on a date with, if they had to choose any cryptid, and overwhelming loss of people. Oh, it's possible. Do you guys follow him on Twitter? No, I used to, he's a great follow.

Oh, we'll follow him. Oh, yeah. New fan. I love that. I love that for everybody. Yeah, I don't want that. I never thought of creating cryptid as hot, but I love that everybody makes a mouthful.

I think he's pretty chiseled. Yeah, I think. And you can take you like on flight You know if you like see the city from above hold on to our monkey We are now in forks This is now a Twilight podcast We're just gonna watch all the movies. Team Manpower.

Oh, the way. This is the best. There you go. We're going a little side-toe. That's what's next. Part two. Part two is Twilight. We'll be like, wow.

Okay. So this whole thing with Captain Crumb was sent in a letter to the Platt'sburg Republican. And it wasn't sent by Captain Crumb. It was somebody who he had told of this, and they decided to relay it. And this letter was signed horse mackerel. What? That means.

So, I mean, once again, I believe Captain Crumb, and now I think I'm team horse mackerel, I'm not sure. I believe that. Like, I'm Captain Crumb, like, may have been on an acid trick. I know. I know. He's in bad mushrooms. Yeah, I know. Maybe that was Captain Crumb and he was like, I'm horse mackerel. I'm feeling different.

I've been changed by this experience. I'm dramatic. Oh my gosh. It's like his screen name. Yeah. Horse mackerel. Horse mackerel. 3, 2, 3.

I like it. At hotmail.com. But yeah, that was the Captain Crumb. I'm okay. I'm on team. This is champ now. Yeah. I'm on team. I like it. At hotmail.com. But yeah, that was the Captain Crumb. I'm the only thing I'm on team.

This is Jim now. I'm on the ride. That brings us to 1826 when two fishermen got scared to hell by Jim. They described him as 30 feet long. It's a little smaller than what? 100 feet. 100 feet.

That's what you said. But this is a baby. This is a baby Jim. There you go, you know. But this one, there you go, baby champ. And this one came out of a cave at them. Oh, this one was so different. Yeah, just at them. He was coming for them. Which I don't believe champ would do. And last provoked.

And maybe, maybe it was like old Greg and he was like, you fishing in my water. I love him. Maybe it's a big job. I'm like, maybe that's what he's gonna do. I'm gonna come out and play a new love game. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'll put it under the right dress. Let's go. There's mix up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, unfortunately this was not a little great. I imagine. I'm nervous. He was polka dotted though.

Oh, this one had polka dotted. Yeah, he was polka. Okay, so we've got stripes and polka dots. Yeah, he was red and black. Red and black polka dots, which is very golf of him. I feel. Yeah, very hot topic. So maybe this is like champs teenage stuff.

Yeah, we've got a little bit of a face. We're in the black parade. Yeah. Played in the black parade behind the fence. Now, they got out of there. They were like, oh, we don't want to fuck with this goss monster. So luckily, they came back the next day.

And they saw that there was a huge trail that was left by this serpent. Like, you can see where it had slowed it through. And apparently, it smelled bad. Oh gosh. It's of the sea. Yeah. But they said it had a snake-like smell.

What is that? What is that? What is that? What is that smell like? Which is where they lose me, baby. What the fuck does this thing smell like? And also, how do you know? And how do you know?

Yeah, I don't know. I'm guessing. And why are they expecting us to know? Right. Which is what I want to know. Like, they're like, it was snake-like. And you're like, why would I know that? Yeah.

I do kind of feel like I know what that smells like, but I can't put like a name on it. I feel like it's a strange measure of like, pungence. Yeah, like a bit wet. Yeah, maybe like, yeah. That'd be a cool candle line. Like, what are all the sense that you don't really realize how that understands snake?

Snake. And you're like, what do you think it smells like? Check it out. Test your sense. It was a scratch in snake. Snake. And you're like, what do you think it smells like? Check it out. Test your sense. It was a scratch in snake. Yeah. It would be like those gross jelly beans. Oh.

It's like, let's take your life in your hands. Let's go through this. Yeah, I never know. It's a fun time though. Because I feel like it would kind of be like wet dog or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm picturing, like, I feel like I'm smelling wet straw. Yeah. Just when I'm wet straw. Yeah. You know, like some A. Yeah. Oh when I'm wet straw. Yeah, you know, like, hey. Yeah. Oh, I was picturing like a straw you drink out of. Just like what do you get? Like the one the champ puts between his three teeth.

He just sticks that right there. He's a little bit of a gap right there. Three toddler teeth. Yeah, he sprays it. So there was that one. And then later in the 1800s, it was a real time for champ in the late 1800s. He was put on a show.

He was coming out a lot. And he was really revealing himself to like big ships and streamers. He was like the whole crew, all the passengers would see him all at once and they would all report it. He was like, I'm real. Yeah, there was like big group sightings of him. Okay, I would show these. I would show these.

I would show these. You're just standing on a steamer on your way to sea and you see Champ. Except the war of 1812 and then there's a lot of people that died right there Yeah, there's like there's some stuff going on. There's yeah, maybe I don't want to love that Maybe I just want to plop onto a steamer for like 10 minutes sea champ and then just end them out Just gonna to 88 and go back back in the Dorian Yeah, I'm also with that but in the 1871 Yeah, I'm also with that. But in the 1871

Everyone on the curlue Steam ship saw a monster in the water that they described as going railroad speed So it's fast Client water one might say like 187 miles an hour No, you go. Maybe he just confused it perhaps Maybe he had the right thing, but yeah, so these are big group sightings of this monster Which is more evident than it is Maybe he had the right thing. But yeah, so these are big group sightings of this monster. Yeah. Which is more evidence than it is.

It is. I think he's real. And then in July 1873, there was a story in the Whitehall Times that said a crew working laying down railroad tracks. And I think it was in the town of Dresden in New York, which at the time was super rustic, like very uninhabited, very unpopulated. It was like pretty treacherous, actually. There was like big nests of, you know, like, what do they call rattlesnakes?

It was like somewhere you just could not just like to your mountain. And this crew was doing this railroad through there to connect two different places so you wouldn't really have to hang out and dress it. But this crew was just doing their job when they spotted something moving along the water. And it was about 20 feet long or possibly longer. And then this is what they said. This is how they described it. As he rapidly swam away, portions of his body, which seemed to be covered with bright silver like scales, glistened in the sun like burnished metal.

From his nostrils, he would occasionally spurt streams of water above his head at an altitude of about 20 feet. Oh, I love that. He's very impressed. He's a little whale. He loves it. The appearance of his head was round,

which I loved it, round and flat. Round and flat. I was like, round on the sides, flat on the top. And that's flat, maybe. We're thinking like a seahorse head. It's like round and then flat. Round and flat. Round on the sides flat on the top. Maybe we're thinking like a seahorse head. It's like round and then flat, kind of thing. Or even snake like too. Yeah, I think.

I think it kind of flatens out at the start point. We don't know which direction is it? Long or wide. Yeah, it depends, I guess. Yeah, I wish I was there. But he says his eyes were small and piercing. His mouth bore and provided two rows of teeth, which we keep hearing the multiple rows of teeth, right? Or just three or three.

It's either multiple rows or it is. The one with three, like you had a bad accident down under and lost all the two. Exactly. It was ancient. It's 187 feet long. It barely has any teeth. Like that, that thing was on its last leg. The prairie historic one, right?

I think you're right. That is in the mother dragon. I think so. I think that's like a patient zero. I think you're right. Yeah. But they also said that he displayed these teeth to his beholders.

And he's as he sprays. Like check this out. He's just posing for picture. As he moved off at a rate of 10 miles per hour, which I'm like, hello. I love to know that. Portions of his body appeared above the surface of the water, while his tail, which resembled that of a fish,

was thrown out of the water quite often. A door. I like it. I like it. I like it. So this it. I like it. So this came out and then more people working on the railroad and more residents of the area came forward and were like, wait, I saw shit like this too,

like a couple of weeks ago, but they were like, I just didn't want to sound crazy. So I didn't come forward with it. Glad these guys were okay with sounding crazy. That's awesome. So reports came from this guy named C. S. Leonard who was working I think he was like a he was like a boss at the railroad. So he was like a pretty smart guy And he was working in Dresden as well

And he said he was leading a crew on the property of General David Barrett weeks earlier And he was told that his crew had seen a huge snake-like creature and He himself saw later after they had told him him this, he saw remains of animals, like large animals, that he believed this thing was eating. Interesting. So then General David Barrett, whose property they were working on, he actually saw a huge snake with what he said was glittery silver scales. So again, another common.

Exactly. And he said he shot at the snake which rood. Yeah. Yeah. Very rude. And he said, but it like he missed and the thing just like slithered into the water. So there's that. And there was even a period during this time where farm animals from the area around the lake started going missing. So people were thinking that this is interesting. I'm curious, is it like slipping out of the water? That's right. And how is no one seeing it on land? And there's no trail of it left behind. Yeah. But then you get like the guys who said it came out

of the cave and they saw a trail. Right. Yeah, yes. Anaconda style. Right. I'm saying, I'm saying. Maybe it's just a giant prehistoric anaconda. Yeah. It sounds like the peninsula python. Oh yeah. Right? Good call. Right. Cryptod. Yeah, thing too. It's like no one can ever say that champ is not real. If we don't know how it yields reproduce, like you can't tell me, you don't know something from a creature that we see all the time. And then touch, right. And then say that this isn't real. So that's my PSA to everybody in Chimp Israel. Deep bodies of water.

I'm like, we don't understand them. We do not know. We're the ocean. We're the ocean. Even our land was like discovering. We've been living underwater. Oh, there's a rock on the road. There's a rock on the road.

There's a rock on the road. There's a rock on the road. Yeah. Like, we will never know. There's Target down there. We lot of material. There's smart. Yeah. Like, we will never know. There's Target down there. Oh, it's Target. You know? Just a city target there. Yeah, that's what I think.

Yeah. You got to get in and get out. Yeah, you got to. No, in July, 1883 was one of the sightings that was considered the most credible, up to this point. Okay. Because it was that of the, it was an observation made by Clinton County Sheriff Nathan H. Mooney.

So the sheriff is now saying he saw him. He saw the monster at Cumberland Head and he said, I then discovered that it was an enormous snake or water serpent with a long jaw, a snake shaped head at least eight inches across the top or flat part and ten inches from the top of the head to the end of the jaw. The serpent was half a mile inside of Cumberland head in the same distance from the shore. Its body, which must have been 20, give or take 30 feet in length, was pointed to the north. And he said he had been on a ship called the Nelly when he saw this thing.

And the pilot of the Nelly confirmed this and said, I have so thought. So there's that. In August of that same year, a whole steamship and a crew saw champ. It was the WBED and they almost capsized after it was actually almost running into change. Oh my God. They didn't.

Yeah. And the whole crew saw this. The thing is, they add this up. It's not just like from a distance, everyone's like, look at that thing. It is, he's like popping up. Right. Yeah.

And they think he came up and like didn't realize that the boat was there and kind of like tossed it a little bit. He was like, oh sorry. But they said he went right under. My V movie. So, and then in the early 9th, 1870s actually, PT Barnum.

Yes, that PT Barnum. Oh, shit. This guy. Yeah, wow. He put an ad in the White Hall Times that said, I hear by offer $50,000 for the hide of the great Champlain Serpent to add to my mammoth world's fair show. You are authorized to draw on me for some necessary

to assist in servicing the monster's remains. No, I mean, do you need that, sir? No. So he was actively killed this thing and then bringing it like that. Yeah, that's right. No PT Burnham. No. Now we move on to 1945.

Another crew and another ship, SawChamp, all together. It was the SS Tycon, Tycon, Deroga and the Penssel. And the crew literally just threw it back. It was the actual Penssel. And they made the Penssels out of the boat. out of the boat after this happened like we got to go They were like get rid of that and it was the whole crew all the passengers They also chant wow the same like observations all described at the same Then that brings us to July 5th 1977 seven when the most famous photo of Champ was taken.

This was from Sandra Manzi from Bristol, Connecticut. She was out enjoying some time near the lake with her soon to be husband. She had grown up in the area. She knew the legend of Champ. They sat down together on the shores of the lake. They were going to have a picnic. They were like, this is so nice.

Champs let me to be there. Yeah, she was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got three teeth. I chips that me too big. Yeah, she's like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. So I got three teeth. She's like, I can chew. She got some salad. And she looks out into the lake and she just see something. And she's like, that's, it just looked strange.

And she figured it was some animal or like a big school of fish moving in unison. And she was like, oh, that's interesting. And she's kind of pointed at it. So they're both watching. And then they see this neck come out with a head. And then, it was just slowly coming out, and it kept coming out. Oh my God. The neck just got bigger and bigger and bigger. So she's like, what the hell is that?

She said it looked like some kind of like prehistoric dinosaur, like a little gronto-saurus just coming out of here. So she snapped a quick photo with her Kodak Instamatic camera. And then she just kept it. And she didn't tell anyone. She said she was terrified when she saw it. She felt like she was seeing something she shouldn't be.

That's what she said. I literally felt like I was seeing something I shouldn't have seen. I would think it'd be exciting, because she knew the legend. She was, but I think she was like, now that I'm seeing it before my very eyes. I feel like I shouldn't be here.

Yeah. And then he didn't want me to see him. But this thing, she did end up, it was because she did end up coming forward, I think in like the early 90s to show it. And it was featured in a ton of stuff notably. And notably it was in Lake Monster Mysteries, exploring the world's most elusive creatures

by Benjamin Redford and Joe Nickel. Joe Nickel, who also appeared in my James Maybreak episode. I was gonna say I thought that I sounded familiar to me. That's been like drawing that episode. That episode is like the episode that ever ends. Yeah. But they said of this photo because they're like very into debunking and authenticating things. Right. So they said the man'sy photo stands alone as the most credible and important photographic evidence of the existence of Lake Monster. Wow. And straight from from my. Straight from the box. It's not happening to Nessie yet. I have faith, but it will. But by 1992 over 600 people had claimed to see Jam. They failed. And it was so, so aplenty throughout the 80s and 90s that the people around this area actually made sure champ is like respected and protected. Good. Which I love.

And eight in 1981, Port Henry, New York declared that their waters were considered a safe haven for Jam. Oh, and I love it. It's so cute. Get out of here, PT Barnum. Right, fuck off. And today they actually have a statue of champ next to the water. Oh. And in 1982. Oh, I just imagine little champ looking at a statue. Like, that's me. They like me.

I made it. I made it. He goes down like, wow. My great, great grandfather would be so proud of me right now. The one with three teeth would like to. And in 1982, Vermont followed suit, and the state passed a house resolution that protects champ. Wow.

And in 1983, not to be outdone, both the state assembly and the state senate of New York also passed resolutions that protect champ. Look at that. And this is like the most wholesome. It's sweet and wholesome. So, yeah. You got to take care of your Lakemont. You got it. It was wholesome. It's sweet and wholesome. So awesome. You gotta take care of your like monster. You gotta.

In 2003 after three new sightings that same year, and it was like by June of that year, there were three new sightings in 2003. Discovery channel did a show called America's Loch Ness Monster, all about Trump. So you can go find it too. It's like you can watch it streaming. I feel like I remember watching them.

Yeah, I was little now that I'm thinking. It's really cool. And for this special, they brought like a bunch of experts in and scientists and equipment. And they went into the lake. And they wanted to really get some like real evidence here. And they were able to pick up some really strange noises in the water of the Lanksham pain.

Shampoosh-shamp pain. Shampoosh-shamp pain. I'm in France now. And the noises resembled the sounds of like a whale or a dog. I was gonna say what is it communicating with each other. It was like so famed, Emily. And there are no dolphins or whales. Yes, there's nothing awesome like a champagne that would make that noise.

Nothing that they have found that like that talks through sonar. Has anyone ever gone, I mean, is there a lake submarine? Can we go down there? Right, that's what I wonder. Well, because you can only go down so deep now, right? Because of the pressure. I think they have done some sonar to try, I mean, in every documentary,

it's like, and then the team was sent down and you know, they found nothing or this weird shadow that we know what it is, you know. But they couldn't explain this, this, like sonar type sound. Wow. They cannot explain it. because obviously there's no whales or dolphins right right now happening but people are still it's not happening it is champ now people still see

champ today it has not died down it's like that a little less on the reports because I think we don't have like the news papers like we did back then where that's all you got yeah I did up to slightly drink COVID. Oh, that makes sense. Oh, that's a lot fewer people in the water. Yeah. The border was locked down so we didn't have all the Canadians coming down in their boats. Right. There you go. It was quiet on the lake.

Ooh, and people started to see us having fun. So he was happy. He was just like, but swimming about. Yeah, he's the same. The whole lake to himself. Right. I like that. But I just keep saying that. I'm like, I like that. I'm so's the same. The whole lake to himself, right? I like that. But I just keep saying that. I'm like, I like that. I'm so into the closet. Nature is healing.

I like champs. Nature is healing. And I actually take a picture of this marker because I wanted to read it. It's so cute. There's just like a picture of my family here. Like, why did that come up? So apparently, there's a historic marker

in Clinton County on the shores that like marks and they call them Champy. And it says on the marker, it says Champy, legendary Lake Monster lives here. Over 300 sightings reported since 1819, up to 200 feet long. New York's law protects this regional icon. And it's like a legal icon.

It's like a legal icon. This regional icon. And, it's like a wild, sweet icon. Yeah. This regional icon, well, and that's just who has officially reported their site. Exactly. Official reports. So I'm sure there's hundreds and hundreds more. Absolutely.

There's also a Vermont baseball team called the Lake Monster. Oh, yeah. With their mascot being champ. And it's adorable. Yeah. They're part of the future's collegiate baseball league. In case you were wondering, I want to say, I guess I wonder what I guess. A woman needs to write it down.

Yeah. Enough to put it out there. Right. There was more sonar captured recently by Katie Elizabeth, who's a champ hunter and author of Water Horse of Lake Champlain, a cryptozoological biography of Champ. Which I love. I also want to be a crypto zoologist. That would be so fun. So, have you been to the crypto zoology museum up in Portland, Maine? No, I want to go so bad. There's a lot of castings of big foot stuff.

I love that stuff. Yes, it would be so fun to just get an event. Yes. And for a year, just like the art of the I ever been visiting pool just places in museums. It's also fun to just like get an event. Yes. And for a year. I don't know. It's like a trip to the city. It's like a trip to the city.

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Oh, I love that joke. It's the big joke that I'll disappear into the woods with Bigfoot. And we'll end this on my own. So honestly, I love it. Our trip with Corinne marrying Bigfoot. Perfaxed. A little ceremony. In the woods.

Cute. Beautiful little ones. And then they run off together. Intimate ceremony. You guys can all officiate. Yes. Awesome. Well, if you want to find Champ, I do. Which we all do.

Yes. A lot of the sightings have happened around Bolwaga Bay. We're crumum first spotted him Lots more came out of that so that's a good place and the deepest part of the lake could be about 400 feet deep Which makes my toes curl? Yeah, that's really deep stop beating because I hate deep water it freaks me out Yeah, it's just thinking about that and everything many of you. Yeah, I'm like there's definitely prehistoric shit down there Yeah, and yeah, it would make sense forhistoric shit down there. Yeah. And, yeah.

It would make sense for Champ to probably be hiding that deep in the water, so I think so, because he, I mean, considering his hold on the title of Hide and Seat Champion of the Century, I think he's probably down there. That's what his name is Champ, I bet. Yeah, one thousand. One thousand. I mean, that's not one, but. This is also where it is now.

It is now. This is also where split rock is and where the pictographs were found. So it kind of makes sense that this is where he is. Yeah. There's also the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum in Vermont. And it has some champ stuff. It has history of the lake itself. It's just like interesting.

You can go see it. And then there's also the Laihi Center for Lake Champlain in Burlington, Vermont. And it's also like a little bit of an aquarium. And it has a ton of info and like folklore about champs. So you can go look at them. And then it has fish, because it's a little bit of an aquarium. A little fish that are found in Lake Champlain. And they are ugly.

So if you want to go see a tank of brown fish, you can just see ugly as fish. Go there, see. Go there. So that is the story of champs. I love it. I love that champy. A little champy.

A little champy. A little sea-talked like a lamb. That he is. I love that there's proof of how much people love and respect champs because that's sort of how it was brought up, too. It was like, yeah. Everybody is brought up with just such warmth in their hearts. Yeah.

And so much pride and you were so much fun. Yeah, we're proud of champ. Of course you would be. And haven't you, there was a moment where my dad and I think that we may have had an encounter with champ. I'll tell you what happened. You buried the lead. So my parents have a boat, and it's in Malibz Bay.

So it's near the, but I guess like the bays are nice and calm and like monsters are probably one hang out there sometimes. But we were tubing behind the boat. My dad and I were on the tube and my mom was driving. Normally she's not the driver. Normally my dad pulls us and breaks our legs and it's just reckless. But my dad was taking a turn on the tube with me. And so my mom is driving. My brother is just being a horrible scout or spot.

And he's not listening to any of the hand signals or the screams that my dad and I are giving to tell them to stop because what we saw beside us, as we were tubing, was it looked, it was like the width of our thigh. And it was it was like the width of our thigh and It was kind of like this brownish black and it was Serpenty and it was riding the wave so there was a few humps that we could see riding the wave next to us And my dad is someone that normally like doesn't really want to believe in all this stuff or will be like

Oh, it's I mean he's he was your imagination Yeah exactly and he was also raised in rural, New Hampshire, main area, like knows a lot of the wildlife. He turned me and he said, whatever you do, do not let go, which is the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life. Because I would immediately let go back. So we're not.

So we're white knuckle-ing. We're screaming, stop, stop. My mom is thinking, they must be having the best time. My brother's just like staring at us, panicking, not thinking of us. And she's even on my mom's top. And finally, she stops the ride, and we get onto the boat, and we were absolutely panicked.

But I mean, that experience happened for probably only 20 seconds, to the two before it disappeared, but oh my God, it was so freaking scary. It was like, what is scary, but just knowing the story of champ, I love to picture champ like, this is fun!

It was like a little juvenile champ. Yeah. I mean, we were only in probably 25 ish feet of water. Yeah. So he maybe was just like a baby champ. Baby champ, baby champ, a little baby champ. A little baby champ. It was a little baby champ for playing. He was like I like the wake

Yeah, yeah Going for it and we have we know some other people that have had champs angst But a lot of people you know like don't want to it's kind of like the thing you whisper at the party after You guys are wine a lot of people don't want to like officially Right, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, you have to kind of like test the waters and see who you can tell or who who you don't because it's you know Like a lot of people don't Outwardly say the things that we say Like monster and for them. Yeah, I'm pro see all right. Let's go same

Like This is what scares me about the ocean though is like like champagne. Lake Champlain, you said like a hundred and however many miles, like, and there's a monster, see monster in it. But the ocean is one so deep, we don't even know how deep it goes. And so vast that who knows how many monsters and cryptids that are out there that we just don't know. Yeah, I know.

There's an unthinkable amount of monsters. Two many monsters in the ocean. I'm sure of it. Very bottom, Southernmost point of Lake Champlain. There is a town, it's on the New York side, the town that immediately borders Vermont, and I can't remember the name of this town, but they have an annual Sasquatch Festival, calling festival where they compete to do Sasquatch calls and someone gets picked as the winner.

I've never been, but I looked it up and watched the YouTube clips of everybody doing the calls. I think the crowd just felt like Sasquatch has the most amount of good callers. He just stands behind everyone and is like, oh yeah. And then Champ is just like in the water like, what the fuck is this? He plays like, this is mine. This is why I stand the wall. Every year around June, these people go so weird. Yes. I love in the world. Every year around June, these people go so weird. Yes. I love it. Wow.

Okay, you guys, I have a tail for you. Oh, tail for you. Okay, and we're venturing out of the lake and to the land of Boston, which is where we are right now. Currently. Okay, so we're also going to step back 80 years in the past to November 20th, 1942. It is a chilly evening, 30 degrees Fahrenheit,

it snowed the day before, the ground still wet, you know, like a light dusting of snow beneath your feet. So beautiful. So beautiful, right? Christmas time is coming. We love it. Got your hat cider. It's a big sider.

It's so great. It's romantic. But as we know from being in Boston, like the wind whoops around the corners of the buildings and stuff So it's quite chilly. Oh, yeah, and you're walking it's night and you're chilly and you're wrapping yourself with these Sheets of cloth and what I don't know whatever the fuck they were In 1942 for their jackets. I'm sure they weren't nearly as insulated as the ones that we have now But you're pulling your coat a little bit tighter around you and you basically make your way to bay village.

It's Thanksgiving weekend. The first Thanksgiving since entering World War II, as well, America entering World War II. And you're looking to blow off some steam. So you arrive? Absolutely. I mean, Thanksgiving, pictures, let's go. All of your family, absolutely. I mean, picture-perfect place. Picture-perfect place. Let's go.

All of your family. It's Saturday. Who needs a time machine? Yeah, I feel like it should be. Yeah, it should be. It's right now. We're doing this after. So you arrive at your desk, destination,

walking up to a large sign that reads, coconut grove, and you push through the revolving doors, entering the building. Coconut grove is the spot to be. Everybody's there. Every Saturday, every spot to be. Everybody's there. Every Saturday, every Friday, everybody wants to be there. And tonight everybody had the exact same thought that you did.

The club is absolutely packed. Unfortunately for many of the club goers at Coconut Grove, this would be their very last time celebrating with their friends. Coconut Grove was the premier night club in Boston. It was actually based on Los Angeles' club with the same name that was super super popular. That makes me think of Lucy. I love Lucy.

Lucy O'Bald. Didn't they play it? I'm sure. Probably. You're right. Yeah. That sounds so fun. But I mean, it was like entirely based on the same thing.

So day four wise, everything was decorated to be this tropical way since it was very not Boston. Very absolutely not Boston. Yeah. There were multiple rooms in here too. So there were dining rooms, bars, lounges, all connected through these tight hallways and single doors. So they kept adding on extra rooms throughout the years. There was a cocktail and caricature lounge just after the entrance.

You could get a little character drawing up there yourself. Super cool. And then a little bit further in was the dining room, a dance floor at a stage where the jazz musicians would play. And then past the stage, there was this new lounge that had opened just a week before. So you're there on that Saturday that Thanksgiving's day. It's exciting. It's really exciting here. Everybody wants to go see that new spot.

There's Rutan and Bamboo paneling lining the walls and there's silk draped along the ceiling. There's satin canopies, faux leather, heavy drapery. It just was made to be not only tropical but to create the sensual elegant sophisticated feel. You want to feel it. You want to feel it. You want to feel the colors, you want to feel the sex and the weight. Right, yellows. It was built originally 20 years before during the prohibition era. And the 1920s, the

Rowing 20s. It has a lot of that feel still. Winding through the building, party goers could find themselves descending in narrow stairwell into the basement. And that is where you would enter the melody lounge. It was a piano bar, which was dimly lit with twinkling lights and dark blue velvet drapery that decorated the dark ceiling. It created this illusion, basically, of a starry night. Yeah. Ombeance.

Super Ombeance. And then the poles, like the pillars, basically, the support beams were decorated to look like palm trees. And so they had, like the base was as thick as any other palm tree trunk, and then they created with all of this fabric, the palms that would kind of like reach out over all party cars. You literally just feel like you're outside on a starry night. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And I won't say it. I just know where this is going. So there's just like so many things that like as you're describing it. Yeah, yeah. That's all I'm thinking too. I know, yeah. I'm like making a mental right? Right.

So yeah, it's gonna be right now. Actually upstairs too. So downstairs they did that full story night, but upstairs, I wish Boston still had this. They had a retractable ceiling in one of the rooms. so when it was warm out, you literally could party underneath the nice guy. That's awesome. That's really cool. We lack that now. We're awesome. Okay, but unsurprisingly to anybody who has ever lived in Boston, the property had mob ties, especially when it was first opened during the prohibition era because they

quite literally needed those ties and financial backing to bring in all the booze. It was a lot of bootleggers and mobsters. Mob being investing. Mob being investing. They do. They do. Yeah, so this was a popular spot for mobsters, for politicians, for celebrities. The club was really special.

It made people feel super special. Just a super popular scene. But because it was the World War II era, money, resources, everything's a little bit tight. And so the club was especially focused and like locked down on not letting anyone, there were no drinks on the house, right? Like they were like, no one is going to leave without paying for exactly what they need.

So they did a lot to make sure that that happened. One of the things they did was the owner hired teenage boys off the street. So like 15, 16 year olds were working in this club because they could the owner could pay them really low wages and basically have them double as waiters and Bounceers and whatever odd jobs right Exits were locked or concealed with heavy velvet drapery, emergency exits pricked up, many windows locked or only opening a window. Essentially yeah yeah because they didn't want anyone to be able to leave. So you couldn't just without me. Get your drinks

and then slip out the window in the bathroom or whatever. On this particular Saturday night, the club was filled to more than twice its legal capacity with over 1,000 patrons parting inside Too many people. It was set to have like something like 460 people. Oh my gosh. And there's over 1,000 people Packed packed drinks are flowing celebrities are perched on private tables and also romance was in the air At least for this one sailor and his date. The two were flirting very heavily and you know, things are getting a little hot, little things getting a little heavy, she was a little shy, she was a little... She was a little... She was a little... She was a little...

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there he approaches this couple he explains that it's dangerous to have the light out like you can't just do whatever you want. You just remove like ball. Right, yes. You can run here. Exactly. And he was like okay I need to I need to really light it. So he lights a match because he can't see it's super dark

Mm-hmm. He doesn't have a flashlight. He lights a match so he can see what he's doing. He replaces the light bulb blows out the match drops it on the floor steps on it returns to what he was doing before. Oh, no just moments later someone screamed that there's a fire on the palm tree so Stanley and the other employees all run to the tree, they have pictures of water, they're dousing the fire with these pictures of water, and for a moment everyone thinks it's kind of funny. Like it's a little bit silly to like watch everybody scramble, it looks like the tree has been put out. Yeah, it's been resolved. The very quickly panic ensos and everyone watches the fabric, it's velvet. Yep, all of the satin and velvet that's on the ceiling, it starts to smoke and then it ignites. Any giant

ball of fire explodes in this corner and very quickly starts spreading onto the rest of the fabric of on the ceiling and making its way across the floor to the staircase. I mean, as you were describing it, I'm just immediately thinking everything in this place makes a fire. It's flammable. Oh yeah. Like travel so much better.

This is a craft store. Yeah, literally. Like, everything's just out. I'm picturing it in my head. Yeah. App, yes. Instantly. Yeah. And also just to add yes. Instantly. Yeah.

And also, just to add a little bit of information, when they first opened this place, they did put some like a fire-tarded spray on all of the fabric, but had never done it again. So like it was, like it was all done. It wears off, yes. So desperate, people are running for this tiny little staircase and other people are jumping up on chairs,

trying to cut down the fabric from the ceiling to prevent the fire from making its way through the whole realm. That is really brave of those people to do this seriously. But it only takes a few moments for the fire to overtake the entire room, the satin fabric burning and falling while still let on to the panicked 400-some patrons below in the melody out. The air conditioning or an air conditioning unit had actually just been recently put in upstairs.

And because of World War II, they switched the gas because it was too expensive to use whatever they were using before and switched it to one that was much more flammable. So basically, it's believed that this helped ignite the fire and also create this suction for the fire to travel across them very quickly and up the stairs to the first floor. Oh, like the perfect storm. It really is. It's awful. So the narrow staircase became jammed with people.

The fire now taking on the fabric in the stairwell. There was a couple Ruth and Hyman Strogoff who they first made their way to the exit as soon as they saw the palm tree ignite. So they were kind of like, oh, we don't want to take any risks and made their way over to the exit. So they were the very first people basically to be at the stairwell, but this all happened so quickly

that by the time they got to the stairwell, other people were already running for them, grabbing them, pulling them back, ripping them away from each other. Ruth tries to grab Hyman as he's pinned down on the ground from other people trying to go over him. He's crawled over. This is so devastating. It is. I mean, I cried. I woke up this morning, I was like, why did I choose to research? I really quickly tried something else. It really is. So many people lost their lives in this moment in really awful ways. But basically,

Hyman was crushed beneath their feet and she was pushed forward. Her hat and jacket now on fire from the embers that floated down from above her. The fiery air was now burning people's skin in their lungs and they were all suffocating. Yeah, because it's one exit. There's only one way out of this place. The tiniest. I mean, like, think of like your grandparents stairwell. Like half of that. You don't think about that air too. No air is just as dangerous as smoke. Absolutely. So moments after Ruth got out, others were already dead from being crushed by the crowd, burned, or inhaling too much smoke. It happened so quickly that some people didn't even

have time to react. They were found later by the firefighters who entered the space, still seated at their tables. Oh my God. Those in the back of the crowd were still pushing forward, trying to climb over now a pile of bodies beneath them. And many, many people had to make the impossible choices to leave to love ones behind. So many friends, lovers, spouses separated forever. Bartender Daniel Weiss and singer Sash pianist Gudi Gaudel were two of the last people to make it out of the melody lounge alive. And they did so because they ended up grabbing napkins and dumping them in pictures of water and holding that over their mouths so that they didn't succumb to the smoke.

Imagine having like the, the, the, wherewithal, the exact, yeah, to do that. Five other people found a walk-in refrigerator and locked themselves in there until the Fire Department rescued them. So they survived that way. Wow. The remaining patrons ran around this complex. Remember, there's like a bunch of different rooms with tiny little stair walls.

There's no way in the exit. Wait, yes. I mean, there's, and there's drape over there. There's no exit signs. Yeah. Or today. And two, if you did end up peeling back the fabric Yes, I mean there's and there's drape or not. There's no exit signs. Yeah, there are today and too if you did end up peeling back the fabric and finding a door more likely than not.

I believe six of the nine doors were locked in the majority of the windows were in this capable so like and you said somewhere like bricked up too. Yeah, somewhere bricked up. Yeah, so even if you find something it doesn't mean that you should get out. Yes, so everybody's scrambling. They're running onto the first floor. The people on the first floor of the club are hearing people below them screaming and then finally realize like once the plume of smoke and fire comes into their rooms, like what is happening?

And now it's just a sea of people, over 1,000 people trying to get out basically out of one door, the front door. Oh my God. And because of the mob's political ties, a lot of the expansions and the buildings, basically, it's kind of like a tough situation because some people were like,

oh, it was the mob basically taking advantage of their position and making illegal moves to expand and to make more money and whatever. But then at the same time, it was new. Clubs were new. There weren't a lot of regulations. The fire department had actually come and recently inspected two weeks before or something and said, everything was fine. Literally like, what? I'm quote, unquote, like past code. Things were totally different. Yeah, but basically, it was so so tightly packed people had to turn sideways to

even step around where they were supposed to be and then there's a sea of people rushing towards them. Those that made it to the front door experienced the same terror as they did in the basement. The revolving door filling with people burned scarred, shoving each other forward. The door jams. No, you can't get through it. Oh my gosh. But everybody is climbing over each other forward. The door jams. No. You can't get through it. Oh my gosh. But everybody is climbing over each other now, like pushing, pushing forward. So what happened was it basically, even though it jammed, it like removed itself, I guess like with the weight and the pressure, it came undone from the building structure and it fell forward. And so now you would think

like everybody gets to escape and collapse forward onto the sidewalk. And they stuck in there still. What happens is the fire reacts to the new oxygen and it basically gets sucked out. And so there's like a fireball that goes through and basically like pretty much kills a lot of the people that first split second thought that they'd made it to freedom.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Another horrible thing to add. I mean, I'm so sorry. It shows us. This is like why it's yeah, it is. Another sad thing to add to this is right next to the revolving door. There actually was another exit, but they had built a coat rack around it and put a coat hanger and some like velvet in front of it to hide it.

So we've anyone knew that it was there. to coat rack around it and put a coat hanger and some like velvet in front of it to hide it. So, we've anyone knew that it was there. So many people could have escaped through that exit. Wow. So, the hot gases, the extreme heat, their ankle thing every hallway, every stairwell, every room, it burned people past recognition. The entire club was up in flames within 15 minutes of the initial spark and firefighters were actually Yeah, there were only three blocks away because they were actually responding to a different fire at the time So they got onto the scene super super quickly But at this point it was basically like a body recovery mission and to extinguish the fire

The entrance now blocked by people who didn't make it out sadly it was stacked five feet high with people so they had a lot of trouble getting into the building. It just all happened so quickly. So 30 minutes after the initial spark, the fire is extinguished, and the removal of the day. Well, actually, so some of the people are still alive today who did escape is incident. It's here in Boston.

I mean, they're, man, I can't remember. They're older now. It's like the people that were like 14, 15 years old going out in the club. Oh, wow. A lot of them too said that they can't enter restaurants. We'll never go to a theater.

Oh, I never, so traumatic. Yeah, I can't remember. So traumatic. Yeah, I don't think I would ever be able to. No, even if you did, you would have to be next to an exit. You would have to be so aware. Yeah. You would need to know every possible way out. 1000%. You couldn't enjoy yourself.

You would just be thinking about the whole time. So some of the people that were pulled from the building were still alive, but firefighters, police officers, and volunteer military didn't have time to examine or sort out who was still alive. So basically, they were just piling everybody into these vans and transporting them to local hospitals. And then upon retrieval, the hospitals had a sort out who had already passed. So you went to live in a van with like a stack of dead people. Oh my god, just sitting there.

A hundred and fourteen people are sent to Massachusetts General Hospital. 75 of them had passed away. Wow. 300 people are sent to Boston City Hospital. 168 of them had already passed away. 36 others didn't make it through the night. Wow. For many people, the horror did not end when they got outside. People still alive and piled on the sidewalks before transport were attacked by these atrocious human beings. What? People that were like opportunistic, stripped naked, robbed. What? What the fuck are you all white? Doesn't this make you like, November? So it's cold. Yeah. Oh my god. They're like barely

live waiting to be saved. And these people are like, oh, let me go steal that pocket watch. The whole thing is so disturbing, but that is like discussed. It makes you sick. It makes you sick. It makes you sick. It is just like the human being. Human beings are so important. It's so important to be awful.

Yes. Humans are the worst guys. Also, some victims, although most people are transported to the hospitals that are alive, some victims are loaded into vehicles and brought to temporary morgues first, only then to be recognized is still live, once they're at the morgue, and then a more transportation has to be arranged for them to make it onto the hospital. And then you think like you could be in one van and you're separated from whoever you went after. You're wondering if they're dead or alive. And there's a lot of people too,

I'm sure there was additional deaths that happened after because some people who didn't appear to have as many injuries just went home. And if you know about- It's not only that, I can get you later. Yeah, it's exactly. And just thinking about being separated like a husband and wife or like,

it just spouses of any kind or people that you love and you get separated in the chaos. Like that's the most horrifying thing to me because when something happens, I, if I'm with John, I like you. Right. Yeah, you need to hit like that. It's your safety. Yeah.

It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be.

It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It must be. It. You just have to out. You got to get out right somehow. So in the end, 492 people lost their lives at night. 116 more were injured, and it is the deadliest nightclub

fire in US history. The youngest victim, Eleanor, Champa, was just 15 years old. So amazingly, everybody who did pass away was identified. And so we know everybody's names. And you can read a lot about the victims online, about their stories, the lives that they led, the people who lived on pass them, the people, and their legacies that were left behind.

And so there's amazing survival stories mixed in with this as well. But it's really, really sad. Like, this is when I was crying because I was reading about, there's so many examples where like, people just got married and they were out with their entire wedding party to celebrate their birthday. They were so many. There were soldiers who came home and for the night, their friends and their family took them out to celebrate for their like first night. Yes. Entire families are like going through a first night. Yes. Entire families are killed all in just an instant. It's just, it's so painful to read about.

Oh, awful. So, I mean, yeah, it's awful. The owner of Coconut Grove, Barney Wollanski, he had actually had a heart attack and was being treated in mass gen that night. So he wasn't there, separately. Separately. He had a heart attack the same night.

How weird is that? So then all of the like victims are being wheeled past him. Past him basically. So he's sentenced to 12 to 15 years in prison for negligent homicide and is convicted of 19 counts of manslaughter. Only 19 though. I was going to say. Yeah, that's wild. He was pardoned three years into a sentence after being diagnosed with lung cancer and died just a few weeks later. Whoa. Other people involved in the design of the building and the upkeep received various charges as

well. And this was kind of tricky sentencing because like I said before, it was like, okay, like we want to blame Wulansky, but there's a lot of other people that were involved. That's the only way. It's okay. Yeah, it's not just him like, right, pulling every shot. Exactly.

Naturally, the politicians and city inspectors, they want to pass blame around, they're excusing themselves of any guilt and poor 16 year old Stanley, who lived that initial flame. Everybody is so, like he came forward and was like, here's what happened. So he survived. He survived.

And he tried to tell everyone, like, I think that this might have been the cause of the fire. And he is, I mean, everybody is like on top of him. He's vilified by so many people. Exactly. He was just doing what he thought he was supposed to do. He was just doing. That's the thing he's like, he can't be.

Yes. So the poor guy, he actually had to be kept under protective watch in the hotel for many months. Because it was easier for people to blame the 16 year old than to like recognize that they were just partying in a death trap. And he didn't lay out the clumb and like, right, you forgot all the exits, you know. Exactly. Okay.

So this event, though extremely tragic, it did some good as well. Because despite the number of deaths at the hospital, the hospitals were actually pretty equipped for the amount of people coming in because they had been prepping for the war. And so they had a lot of people on call and had a lot of protocols already set to take on this number of people. Victims with burn wounds were losing a large amount of water in plasma and going into shock.

And blood donations were a very new thing. They'd only been around for four years. And so they didn't really know how much plasma was needed, like how much blood to give someone to replenish people's bodies, but based on the treatment of 19 coconut growth survivors, a paper was published establishing the formula for fluid replenishment. Wow.

And it just gave me chills. Right? Yeah, that's huge. Yeah. And despite the initial guesswork and experimental protocols, no one died of burned wounds at MGH, mass gen, but a third of the people treated at Boston City Hospital unfortunately didn't pass a lie.

This was also the first time in Boston that they used penicillin. So they were rushing it up from New Jersey to help the burn victims who were receiving another new treatment Which was skin grafts. So it was like wow all of this stuff was being experimented. Oh, yeah Everything they had learned they were using. Yes. Yes, and on top of this Psychological treatment for grief and trauma broke new ground creating a foundation for providing psychological care after disasters Wow, of this event. Wow. I didn't know any of this.

I mean, either. I was a while ago. Oh my god. Wow, this is, I mean, awful what happened, but like this is a little hub of so many things that now we have as normal practices today. This event also led to new laws and fire safety bills enacted surrounding emergency exits, occupancy numbers, fire code violations, and flammable decorations. And though hundreds of people died, it's thought that what was learned both medically, psychologically, and structurally from this one event saved hundreds of thousands of other people

through the codes and regulations that came of it. And then, to get to the go stories, as Sabrina and I have learned through now five years of podcast research is that unfortunately when there are these traumatic events there usually is a bit of paranormal activity that comes after that because of unrest, right, the energy is stained from this event and sometimes there are darker entities that kind of feed on the trauma that exists in this space. So the area that this happened at has since been reconfigured, and the primary site for Coconut Grove is now actually the Revere Hotel.

It's just two blocks from the theater district. So if you guys play a show in Boston, I'm sure you'll probably be at one of the theater shows. And yeah, so if anyone for future reference, there's like a three minute walk-in tour. All right. Yes, there's a memorial plaque there as well, so you can read about it and read like basically right where it had happened. But employees and guests of the Riviera Hotel report strange ghostly phenomena inside this hotel. The bar and kitchen experience the most activity with strange noises,

loud popping sounds and flashes of light happening suddenly, and seemingly without a source. Yeah, that feels like very... That's probably like the lower ground of the hotel anyway, right? Bar and... Right, yeah. I mean, yeah, we're gonna go get a drink. So what was it?

And just see. Fossets in the bathrooms will turn on and off on their own. And one time, this makes me just like, this feels like something that must have happened when the fire was occurring. But a seat in an auditorium became suddenly and inexplicably drenched with water. So I'm just like, I just feel like

it's some sort of like residual haunting or something like douse the seat, right? It's like if they were doing maybe that's where the commentary is. Oh, yeah. They were kind of douse it. Oh, yeah. People also hear their names being called out, only to find themselves alone in the room. And many employees have actually spotted a shadowy figure of a man walking down the hallway

and past doorways. And when the employees approach him, he begins to fade away until he's no longer there. Both employees and guests have witnessed people materialize out of thin air, appearing to be confused, wandering around the hotel for a few moments before disappearing, I know. And they look lost, like they look like they're looking for someone.

Right, I know. Next door, the Jacks Cabaret. Jacks Cabaret has a's scabbering. She's wearing a virtual wrap. She's wearing a virtual wrap. Really? Yeah. Yeah, no idea, right now.

So did you have any haunted encounters? No, I did. I did. I did me a cutie of the drag green. Oh. Oh, that was so much fun. Yeah, it was when she was in her jockstays. No, right.

Yeah, that was great. Wow, that is amazing. OK, well, I mean, if you have a connection, you should ask, if she's ever experienced anything one working there. I think she used to live above it. So she probably does. Oh, yeah, I mean, that building, like where that is was the temporary morgue.

Oh, wow, the cookin' a grove. I think it was either Katia that lived above or Ju-ju-B that lived above it. I feel like it was Katia. I think, yeah, I'm putting that up. I'm not positive. Oh my god, that lived above it. I feel like it was cut. I think yeah, I'm putting it up. I'm not positive. Oh my god, yeah, that was my best word party. Wow.

Look at this. Look at this connection. I just knew. Yeah, we just knew. Oh damn. But so people here, wait, where am I? Wait, it's like, oh, okay. So people experience hauntings in this building too,

because it was used as a temporary morgue and they do experience some more disturbing spectral images. So at the Riviera Hotel, you'll mostly get like glimpses of shadows and confused people and like odds and ends with fire and water and those things being manipulated. But a bartender walked into the dark bar here at Jacques Cabaret and saw, this is really disturbing, but saw a pile of bodies. No. Quickly turns on the light and the image disappeared.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh just so so sad. Yeah, I know a lot of good came of the advancements like medically and code wise, but it's still absolutely tragic. But to put like a hopeful positive spin on what's otherwise the saddest story ever told in history with these spirits still wandering. Sabrina and I recently learned about

or had some theories presented to us where the hauntings, when people say, oh, there's a residual haunting or like I see these people wandering the hotel. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's like them consciously haunting them. But when a traumatic event happens, it's possible that a piece

of your soul splinters off and relives that trauma. So technically, by that regard, you could be haunting some place, even though you're alive right now, if something traumatic happened to you, a piece of your soul could splinter off and start haunting this one place. Like a jump haunting. So you could be haunting yourself and not necessarily know it. Like haunting it still like that. And so, I do hope for the sake of these people that their spirits did move on and that what you've seen is just unfortunately a splinter of that small piece of that heavy energy that was left alone.

I've never heard of that. And it's like fascinating. Super fascinating. I actually, one of my old co-workers does, she's super spiritual, super intune. Like, can read people is extremely experienced psychically and within the actual realm. And she actually works with a therapist to help people who experience trauma, to go into the actual realm, basically, and find these splintered pieces of people and reattach them back to their soul so that they can kind of like do this healing.

And so I do hope that the people here that lost their lives and cook and aggrove or just have splinters of themselves still existing here eventually get that for themselves and returned and made whole again. Yeah. Wow. Oh yeah. Wow. It's not a tragic story. That is.

And I've heard of that story. I've just never heard like the actual details of it. The extent of it. Oh my gosh. And you can be so much about the victims too. Yeah. So I'm glad you're vibrant about them. Yeah.

I know that's what makes it so many of them. And the fact that they were able to identify every day, I know that's like a mirror. Yeah, I didn't know that so much you. I'm not so much five hundred people. Yeah, I really, I didn't think you were gonna say that. And go mass gen. Wow, go mass gen. I mean, yeah, I feel bad for everyone that was at Boston.

I know, and she has. But I know, yeah, I'm mass gen. I mean, wow, this place is haunted. Yeah, yeah. Damn. Pretty, you brought it. Pretty rough. I know the places haunted. Yeah, yeah. Damn. Pretty, you brought it. Pretty rough. I'm not the damn thing.

Yeah. Right next to that plaque, you can go see where Ed Grail and Poe was born. I mean, yeah, but that's, it's all good for us. There's everything's right there. Yeah. Then you can go to Jacques's Cabaret. Yeah, yeah.

Then Jacques's Cabaret and then maybe a more a bit live show in the future. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm going to go to my, pretty much anywhere you go and bust and you're bound to find something that's haunted. I'm actually staying at the Omni Parker hotel, which is- Oh, damn.

And last night, Nick and I were in the elevator and someone got off or got onto the elevator from the third floor and was like, this is supposed to be that most haunted floor and then someone else in the elevator goes, actually the tenth floor is supposed to be the most haunted and I look at Nick and we're like, we're staying on the tenth floor. Oh my God! I love that. That's all isn't it? It's beautiful. It's beautiful.

It's insane. There's a ton of stories about that. Yeah, so far, no experiences, but knock on wood. Yeah, it's her husband next first time in Boston. Oh, really? Basically, my tour for them on foot yesterday was like, this is where this murder happened. This is where it was all haunting and crime.

It was like very little. Welcome to Boston. Yeah, I love it. Right. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Wow. I should have had you go second. I was like, such a little animation

of an acting champ. I love it. Yeah, me and Ash had the darker. I don't know. I was thinking I was like, is this like a little too dark? And then I know that you brought it. But it's also these are important stories to tell for sure.

Yeah. Because your story was a cold case. hide. But it's also these are important stories to tell. Oh for sure. Because your story was a cold case. You know, it's important to tell the stories. And then also all these people who lost their lives. Like it's awful, but it's also an important story to show the innocence that came from it. Right. And I thought you ended it.

Like I never would have known that. So I thought that you picked this for me. Yeah. So that's really interesting. You're welcome. Well, this was so fun. I know we should do this so much fun. We have to do that. So, right. A lot that you picked this for. Yeah. So, that's really interesting. You're welcome. Well, this was so fun. I know we should do this so much fun. We have to do this.

Yeah. Absolutely. Next time we will get in the RV. Yes. Yes. We will cryptidue a podcast on our cryptid hunt. There you go. I was saying at the end of the last one that we recorded,

I was like, finally, because we all live. So close to each other. I know. How did this thing go along? Like, yeah, it's so tough. It's so tough. It's so tough in any time. How amazing. I love Boston, I think.

It's tough, so we'll just bring you back here. Yeah, well, for in this whole trip has been like, trying to make me move here. Yeah, that's like, how are we with Caleb? I was gonna say, we're gonna start bringing you up. Yeah, right? That's what we're doing with Caleb and his post on screen. We got him a little closer.

We got him to Indiana. Okay, we just- on screen. We got him got a little closer. We got him to Indian. And that was way closer. Yeah, a little closer. We're in the same time zone. Oh my gosh. Indiana, another very haunted. Look at that place. Just moved to Boston.

Yeah, just to pull it out. Just keep coming. Yeah, I mean, we're working on the same way. We're going to school slowly. Yeah, yeah. Just doing what Karin does, like text me, real estate, posting. I'm a good guy. I'm a good friend listing.

I love that. And then we'll just keep getting closer and closer and closer to you all move out of Boston into your spooky spare bad room. Yes, perfect. This is the leg mister. Yeah. We're one of the three in mister.

Yeah. And you don't find out the name. You can't always find you. Oh God, no. Oh God. I'm such a chicken. I would never be able to do that. Oh, he'll find us. He'll find us. I'm such a chicken. I would never be able to do that. Oh, he'll find us.

He'll find us. I'm like, do you? We're three. We gave you permission. Oh my god. Oh my god. I'm too scared. You make a little spooky kid.

Yeah, scared at all. Wow. Nope. No, but thank you guys so much. We're going to do this again. Thank you. We should. Definitely.

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