Morbid - Episode 388: Halloween & The Original Hellfire Club with Cameron Esposito!

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

Today we have the esteemed pleasure of sitting down with the insanely talented and hilarious Cameron Esposito! We did some Halloween Trivia, talked about Halloween traditions and then got into the sordid tale of the original Hellfire Club. There are a lot of ghosts, some murders and at least one questionable party theme in here. So join us and make sure you check out Cameron's comedy! You won't be disappointed!Links:https://www.cameronesposito.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey, Prime members, you can listen to morbid, early, and ad-free on Amazon music. Download the app today. You're listening to Immorbid Network Podcast. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about two judges who stood accused of making millions of dollars in a brazen scheme that shattered the lives of countless children. Listen to American scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello there! Hello everybody!

We just wanted to jump on here before the episode starts to let you know it's a collab episode. And today, we had the amazing, the hilarious, the wonderful, the talented, amazing Halloween costume creator and Whittler. Oh, Whittler, Whittler of the century. Cameron Esposito. Yeah. And I'm sure Whittler is actually on the resume that she presents. But of course, Cameron's amazing. We had so much fun. We began this episode with a little like, just kind of fun Halloween trivia, because this was our Halloween episode

for the Wondering Plus subscribers. And we did that until the trivia goes until about 15 minutes, 15 and a half minutes in there. It's gonna be a little later than that with this intro, but I just wanted to give you guys the option if you don't feel like listening to trivia, it's totally up to you. It was pretty funny.

I was gonna say, you might not feel like it, but like test it a little bit. And you know what, I just wanted to give you the option because we also covered the Hellfire Club and some hauntings associated with that, some murders associated with that. It's pretty interesting, but that starts around the maybe 16-minute mark or 17.

Just wanted to give you the option, just so you know. But it was a really fun episode, and you can also check Camernaut at some live dates. Hell yeah, brother. She's gonna be in San Francisco, November 12th. She's gonna be in Seattle, November 20th, Vancouver, on the 3rd of December, she's in Chicago on the 30th and the 31st of December.

So that will be fun, Johani. And for next year in March, Burlington, Vermont, and we'll place called Boston, Massachusetts, which you better believe we will be there. Bean Town, baby, Laf Boston, we're gonna be there, March 12th, next year. So go check out Cameron because Cameron's really funny and we adore her a lot. Yay!

So enjoy the episode everybody. Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Elena. And I'm Cameron. And this is Mourad! We have Cameras to Zito in the house. Cameras, thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, I'm in the Zoom house. Yeah. I know, I was going to say not really the house, but...

Actually, that's not true. I'm in your house. Oh, kind of. Thanks for showing up. Where are you? I just thought maybe... Yeah, I thought that would... What room? Actually, that's not true. I'm in your house. Oh, kind of. Thanks for showing up. Where are you? No, I mean, I just thought maybe yeah, I thought that would I'm in the basement. Oh cool to you the babysitter. I'm sorry. It smells musty down there

Was that a big part of babysitting for y'all growing up? Oh, yeah, yeah, when a stranger calls was that I can't remember for I think I think you're both younger than me, but I can't remember how significantly I'm 36 what was I'm talking so yeah, so okay, so 36 Yes, that's still within the room. Yeah, 26. I probably like what have the destination What did you go up? She had like the reboot I have the reboot of One miss or not one missed call the one stranger call thank you yeah you had like the re the the movie version yeah we had like the urban legend that you that you tell people yeah so scary so scary it used to freak me out wicked bad when I was babysitting and I used to babysit my uncles kids and his house is also haunted on top of that, like on top of fearing that the call would be

coming from the house. It was a lot of pressure for like 14-year-old Ash. We're getting paid tonight. No. Yeah, this is really bad. This is really bad, guys. It was fun. And there was also that urban legend

that went along with that. That was like about the babysitter. And she calls the mom and is like, that weird clown statue is freaking me out. And calls the mom and is like why that weird clown statue is freaking me out and she's like we don't have a clown statue yeah yeah yeah oh I don't even know that one what about the book is scratching it the car the car they're making out of the car the scratching scratching it's hard it's hard it takes Well, are they all that's my favorite one? I love that one the green ribbon. Have you ever seen the movie urban legend? You know what that is my era

No, I haven't because I am scared of everything so I I haven't really there's a lot of Actually, this is this is like because I live in Vancouver right now because I'm shooting a TV show and the reason this is all going to make sense is like, I'm scared of everything to a degree that's like kind of not okay. Like, I'm curious about it, right? So I read the summaries of things, I think we talked about this last time I was on the show, but I like read the summaries about things, or like, I'll look up a still and then I'll try to match the moment that I just, I can't have to be moving pictures.

I'm like creating movies again for myself. I like the moment, what's a good do? The good stuff. It is funny. Yeah, it is funny now that like, like that's how I've always been, but then I grew up in somehow working Hollywood. And so sometimes even, like there's a friend of mine

that I've had dinner with up here with Houston, who's on the show, Yellow Jackets. Have you seen that show? Everett, it's a show time. It's like a lot more than a group of soccer players or something, but like what I'm saying is now, it's at the point where sometimes I know people better than these things, and I have to say to them, I've heard such great stuff about your show.

And I think maybe, you guys can't know what you did today. I can't see any of it and I can't support you in this way. But I've seen the poster. And I love it. Very cool poster. Yeah, there's a bee. I'm just going to say there's a bee on it. There you go.

It's so nice. It's so nice. You know, like, yeah. Yeah. I's a bee. I'm gonna say there's a bee on it. There's so nice. It's so nice. You know, like, yeah. Yeah. I like that. Like, I'll support the bees. Yeah, I'm gonna do. Like, that's as far as I can.

I tried to watch five seconds of that show. It just starts with the woman is running in the forest. That's all that happens that I don't know. Nope. Actually, I need your like ammo. I can't. Okay, that's, I don't even, I don't know. I can't. I, that's, I don't even, I mean, that's, I can't, I can't. I want to watch that.

We've, um, you're like the 40th person to suggest that lately. Yeah. It's supposed to be amazing. Yeah, it's supposed to be really good things. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in US history, presidential lies, environmental

disasters, corporate fraud. In our newest series, we look at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about corruption inside America's system of juvenile justice. In Northeastern Pennsylvania, residents had begun noticing an alarming trend. Children were being sent away to jail in high numbers, and often for committing only minor offenses. The FBI began looking at two local judges, and when the full picture emerged, it made national headlines.

The judges were earning a fortune, carrying out a brazen criminal scheme, one that would shatter the lives of countless children and force a heated debate about punishment and America's criminal justice system. Follow American scandal wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. So should we jump into some, we have some Halloween trivia for you today. Well game show. Well, obviously I'm already sweating.

I laid the ground for, I came and watched when we run in the forest. Exactly. So I think we really, we match this up perfectly. We can set up like kind of easy because they're not, they're not all scary. We're not bringing them. Bring them. Bring them. All right, let's do this. All right, Cam, do you know what was used

before pumpkins to make jackalanterns? Use, use. Wow, that's a great answer. Although a great answer, no. The Irish actually started the tradition of making jackalanterns and they used potatoes and turnips for jackalanterns interns but then they realized that pumpkins were a lot easier and larger and they could carve those. Oh my god wait did they they

carved them? Yeah they would like put like faces on them. It takes a lot more skill. Oh they had better knives than I thought they'd sure did. Yeah or like maybe like really sharp like spoons that they just like carved with you know They have more patience than us. They also have like a lot of time. That's true. So much time all the time Oh, you know what I'm forgetting you're right and like skills. Yeah like naive skills like a different amount of like Carve it. They're like this is the era where they're like, I made you a toy, it's a sanger, you know what I'm saying? I heard this. It literally whittled the thought of a tree branch.

Yeah, I forgot. Yeah. Do you know when I was going through sad boy divorce times I took a screen carving class and then I just would sit in my backyard. This is real. I didn't even know that was real hearts. I would whittle hearts out of wood

and that's what my fingers and be like, yeah, that feels right. Oh my god, that's so emo. You were like, love her. With her an emo phase. That's great. Very, very emo. I love you. You're blasting my chemical romance while spoon-widdling.

Time for a third question. What is the most commercially successful horror franchise of all time? This is a tough one for you because you don't even like them. I would face thought too. I would also think so, but Halloween or Halloween or I would even think like maybe like um Nightmare on Elm Street. Hmm. You guys are gonna be as shocked as I was. I was. Godzilla the Godzilla Godzilla What did you do?

What did you do? Exactly That's a monster movie. I'm afraid it's not a monster movie. That's sci-fi. That's not wait. Did you say I did say horror franchise? That's actually incorrect.

That is sci-fi. Yeah, let's talk about this for a second. And I'm gonna make a point, I'm gonna make a piece for why. So I don't know everything about this, but the monsters that are in the Godzilla universe, don't they come from the center of the earth? Like they come from a different era. It's an essentially from the center of the earth, right?

I've never seen Godzilla. Yeah, I think they come from the center of the earth. But I seen Godzilla. Yeah, I think they come from the center of the earth. But I believe for a kid. I think they come from the center of the earth. And then that's, and they like merge through the oceans for that reason. I think for a monster movie to be horror, something has to happen to somebody. Am I wrong? Does that feel right?

Like, it does feel right to be me. That feels right to be me. Bit by something or sewn together by a doctor. Yeah, like if you just come from the earth, I don't think that counts as, we're, I don't really think so either. I wish I had read that question before I asked it. It's the biology of it all.

I feel like if you just, oh no, it's nice to, you know, break it down. Yeah, it's true, yeah. Yeah, cause I would say that's sci-fi. Yeah, there needs to be like some wound involved for a horror movie, you know, or like some, yeah, I'd be like a Freddy crew guy.

So it's kind of something bad happened. And you became that. Yeah, I think we're right. I think it's, I'm curious if it's actually, if we took Godzilla out of it, we're to big. Right, I wonder what it would be. It's actually the song movies it, we're debate, say, I wonder what it was actually the saw movies. You should Google it.

I really like the next question. I don't know. I've got so many of them and they all do so well. Yeah, no, that is a very good point. When you said that, I was like, wait, I feel like my answer is wrong or the answer that I have in front of me. You know, I won't take credit for it.

I'm simply not taking credit for it. However, I do have another question. And you might know this one. I didn't take credit for it. I'm simply not taking credit for it. However, I do have another question. And you might know this one. I didn't know this one. What item is banned in California on Halloween? Toilet paper? Clothes. Think vandalism.

Eggs. Clothes? Do you want to try one more time? What else can you do, eggs? How do you vandalize a home? Spray paint. Oh. Oh. What else can you do, eggs? How do you handle eyes at home? Spray paint. Ooh, what am I talking about? This is nothing to do with Hollywood.

Eggs, we're like, cruel bars. That's what you're doing. That's what we're doing. Vandalism? What, what can you use for? Like, you already said toilet paper. Yeah, I said eggs. Like, there's a great vandalism.

Light vandalism. You were on track with toilet Yeah, I said eggs. Those are the brain pandalisms. Light vandalism. You were on track with toilet paper and sort of eggs. Sort of eggs. Putting chocolate pudding. Grunetta house. Wow. Which whole thing to do to something. Great idea.

Whoa. It's silly string. Oh. What? I feel like you're not mad at silly string. Like I'd be more mad at being toilet paper. I was so string- Well maybe it's because of like environment.

Oh yeah. You know what you do? Growing up, if we were like really messing with somebody, so constantly people's houses were toilet papered that were in my friend group. But the other thing is to do is fork somebody's lawn. Do you know what that is? Forks somebody's lawn, no. Yeah.

What do you take? I mean, and this is by the way, like, this is not environmentally okay. But you take, you go, you take like a ton of plastic forks, stick them all into somebody's lawn. It is the most annoying thing to possibly do. Truly. We are like thousands of plastic forks. Wow.

Wow. It's also a medication because you have to be in that person's lawn for like a hot second. Well I'm from the suburbs and so the things to do were destroy other people's homes in ways that they could recover from but their parents say to do for you. Yeah, like, it's a candle. What else was around? What more are we supposed to do? Okay. Also, I looked it up, the Conjuring series.

Oh, that makes sense to me too. I was like, or it's like a ghost. Like a new, it was like one of those new, I know, I know, no more activity, kind of thing. Yeah, that's the other one I was gonna say was. And probably it wasn't that. It probably was that for a while, and then Conjuring came and swooped in. There's a lot of Conjuring movies, and they do well.

There's also a lot of delicious candy in the world. Another segue. Guys, do you know what the most popular Halloween candy is in America? Reservables. No, I'm just saying that. Reservables. Yes.

Did that, is that even a thing? Do parents still check candy for wizard blades? I am crazy and I'm, I like, my kids like have barely had any Halloween candy because I'm like, yeah, yeah, we'll go through this and I end up throwing most of them, because I'm just freaked out. The people have like touched it. I feel like there were like open seals that people are looking for. Got it. Okay. So it's less actual razor blades, which was for sure what I thought was in every

Reese's peanut butter cup girdle. Oh, 100% popular candy. It's going to be something like stupid. It's going to be like a three musketeers or something dumb like that. No, it's not chocolate. I'll tell you that. What? I know, right? I'll be a starburst. No, that's nothing. It's not chocolate. I'll tell you that. What? I know right? I'll be starburst. No, that's nothing. It's not that. It's not that. No, like, Chris. No. That'd be wild. This is hard. This is candy corn. No, it's not that.

God, I got nothing. I have to know. I've just getting loose candy corn. Oh, how? Yeah, like somebody I have to just get loose candy corn. Oh, like somebody just had like a bowl of candy corn. They just plop some in your trick or treat bag. I'd be like, I prefer, is that like, is that a trick you're pulling? That's not a treat.

I'm only a chocolate candy person. I know. I'm not a chocolate candy. I don't even, I'm off the, I've got nothing. Oh, I don't discriminate against candy. I love all candies. Is's like a mic a night No, but like I could see where your head's ass the only other candy. I'm thinking what is it? Are you guys ready? Yeah, it's Skittles Oh

I was gonna be like a deeper cut Skittles. This is Skittles people fucking love a Skittles. Skittles. People fucking love a skittle. Damn. I hate skittles. Really? Yeah, what do you suspect? Oh, I love skittles. I just don't like the green, the new green. I was just gonna say I don't like the new green. Hmm. Yeah, Apple. No, if I'm talking about a small thing that's covered in shell, it's a peanut eminem. Oh, it's actually that's it. I like eminem. I don't like the peanut eminem. And I do like peanuts. I think peanut eminem is like a regular eminem is a trail. Yeah, I don't like, I don't really like regular. Like I'll eat them if they're there and I'm like, wow, I need chocolate. But a peanut eminem has that like little savory bit of it. M&M feels healthy to me and I don't want that when I'm eating this candy.

That's my own delusion too. By the way, these are like, this is like eating disorder remnants from a younger base where it's like a piece of candy that has a nut in it. Absolutely. This is health food. Yeah. This is health and love. How benefits. It is heart healthy, something.

You can work on those behaviors and those thoughts, but they're still in there. They are. Oh, yeah. They're still a part of you, that's like, I'm gonna have to spread it. And they just taste good. They're just good.

They're just good. Yeah. Oh, we're like, I'm great at discreet. All right, and this is just a random percentage question for y'all. What percent of US homes decorate their guards for Halloween or their homes? Criminally low.

20. Yeah. Higher than that. 32. Higher than that. 40. Higher than that. Whoa.

What? Yeah. 50. It's like 40. Oh, so close with the fifty-five. Fifty-three. Oh, fifty-two. Whoa! Fifty-two. No, fifty-two. Wow, that's shocking. Yeah, I know. I was surprised by that too. That's like half of us. Damn. Like not in my neck of a world. That's like fifty percent of us. On the annoying neighbor with all my Halloween decorations out and nobody else in town is decorated. How?

Yeah. Yeah. This, that feels, can I see what you're doing? Of course. It gets all right, the percentage there, because that feels wrong. Well, maybe it was a super secret identity person that put them together.

But yeah, that was our Halloween trivia for you and now I think we did great I think both did so wonderful. You get the prize of recording together. Whoa I have a Halloween trivia. Oh Was what was I for more Halloween than any other? I have that question too. I wonder if your answer is the same. Do you both have one that you were, do you both have one you were for multiple Halloween?

Do you? I don't think you do. You change it up every year. I do change, I was something for multiple Halloween, so. Are you aware? Okay, let's all give our answers, but we should all guess, right? Okay, yeah. multiple Halloween, so are you aware? Okay, let's all give our answers, but we should all guess, right? Okay.

Yeah. All right. Can you give us any kind of hint, Cam? Uh, I don't know. How do I not give it away? I know. I was just thinking that. Actually, I whittled something that was a part of this.

Oh, that's cool. Oh, okay. Were you a witch? Uh-oh. Okay. I was thinking you like whittled your wand. Yeah. But I wasn't pirate. I was a pirate for one. Oh, right. I think it would have been a pirate. Whittled something to be this this character. Anybody from Star Wars and you did a lightsaber. No, that's such a good, no, that's such a good guess. This is the thing I widdled, it really would,

well, there'd be something attached to it, but it really would be made of wood. And sort of like a, um, traditional wood. In like a real, in the real world, where you would be first. Which I said, where want to be first. Okay. I said, where are you a beater? Or a one, multiple times. Many, many times. Okay, you want additional hits.

Yeah, maybe one more. Stealing from the rich. Sure would force. Oh, Robin Hood. Yeah. Yeah. The way that I almost just said Peter Pan. There's, I confuse Peter Pan and Robin Hood. Robin Hood. Yeah. Robin Hood's. The way that I almost just said Peter Pan. There's, I confused Peter Pan and Robin Hood constantly.

It's like a problem in my life. Oh, that's a good costume. That is a good costume. I was Robin Hood for multiple Halloween. I riddled my own bows and arrows that like, then I wore my back in a quiver that I made out of like a belt for like a piece of hell yeah. That's right.

I felt on it and it would all constantly turn up to down and dump the arrows out. You know what I mean? Where you're just like, some kids had like a piece of hell yeah that's right felt on it and it would all constantly turn up to down and dump the arrows out you know what I mean were you just like some kids had like a full costume they got from the store and then they used me and then there was like I think yours was better from the sounds of it is always better it's, mine? Or what's your hint? I'm trying to think. I'm trying to guess. It's, this is really hard to. I know hints are hard without giving it away. You would think that I would know too.

It is something, and it's like a horror movie version of somebody in the medical field. Pfft! Oh! Dr. Fransche. No. It was like a generic version. It was like a man scientist. You were that a couple years. I was like three years a man. That's hilarious. Yeah. I love that. Like huge hair and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It checks. Like that checks out.

Yeah. And then I just like became a man. I just say here we are today. So there we go. Totally. Great. All right. mine's gonna be hard. And you know these tricks. I know, so you can't get one. So Cam, you're in this one alone. Okay. Help me come up with a hint, Alina.

That doesn't give it away. There's a Tim Burton film. Yeah, with this. There you go. An animated, new record film. You were a bride. I was a dead bride.

Yes, nailed it. I was a dead bride for three years in a row and I really want to like do a case study on that and find out why. Like what does that say about me as a child? Yeah, you're a child. Yeah, it was third grade or no, I think it was second grade, third grade and fourth grade. She went for it. Yeah, my parents had divorced like a long time ago, so maybe I was just like, um, brides are dead inside. I think let's go. That's so funny. Yeah. You know who else was a dead bride? Lindsay Lomhaire, in a little movie called Mungo. She's a favorite motion picture of all time. A cinematic masterpiece, if you will. Well, I think now that we've done our fun trivia and talked about Halloween, let's talk about the Hellfire Club in England.

All right, because why not? At first I was going with like a theme of hotels and this kind of came out of a hotel and then turned into something totally different. Brad. So here we are. And I feel like this kind of checks. It's kind of a Halloweeny little bit. So we're going to talk about the Hellfire caves that are part of the Hellfire Club and the George and Dragon Inn that is nearby. It's a little bit part of the spooky history. So the Hellfire caves are in Buckingham Shire and are man-made caves. And we're going to get to that in a minute. That already sounds made up. Sure does. Shire, right? Right. Yeah. They just put together the two most British words. Bucking him. Shire. Sure. The Queen biscuit. That's not a thing. That's not. That's nothing.

Truly. I did not make this up. It's a real thing. Go ahead. I promise. But they date back to 1748. Ish. Well, so that's ancient. So pretty old, pretty old. And our series of tunnels and chambers used by the most notorious pagan inspired club ever, the Hellfire Club. And this is not the Eddie Munson from Stranger Things version, although I love that there's like a connection here as an Eddie Munson head. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you.

Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you.

Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you.

Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. Can't move you. about that hill, you're sooner than saying it's like a killer. I'm not like fully caught up, but I'm not. But I'm running off that hill. I'm like looking up the hill. I hear like gazing up at the hill. Well, either way, there is a little bit of a connection here, I guess, because hellfire clubs were supposed to be this place

you could like totally be yourself, even your darkest self. That row. With no judgment, no consequences. It was a place of like-minded people, later men only, but it did begin with men and women. There was no gender rules in the beginning, and then all of a sudden they decided to go backwards.

And we're like, let's take that away. Wow. Yeah, they were like, why are we going forward? But it was a place where they could drink, gamble, get busy with their mistresses, in a place that nobody could find them. And I suppose if you're saying like there's some kind of connection between the Hellfire Club in Stranger Things, a bunch of D&Ders getting together with like

minded individuals, no place of judgment, it kind of checks. It checks. I get why they named it that. But Hellfire Clubs were clubs in early England known for for a place of debauchery and satanism. Like, that's what they were known as. Founded in 1719 by Philip Duke of Wharton. He got his friends together and was like, let's start a club.

That was the beginning of it. They were like, want to start a club. And these clubs were very secretive. Like, even now people don't know what actually went on in there. I love that. They're just kind of taking bits and pieces of reports and things they found, but it was super secretive.

And like I said, in the beginning, they dared to include men and women in their membership, which helped fuel the idea that there must be Satanism in there. Hell yeah. That's what I was like when you're describing, you're like it's like gambling and drinking Satanism. I'm like, how do you say that? Yeah, I realized I don't know the answer when you just described.

That sounds like Vegas. What you think when you're described. Thank you for saying that because there's a lot of things about this that I swear Vegas just pulled right from Hellfire Club. Vegas was inspired. Even their motto at one point becomes what happens underground stays underground. Which is just very vagacy.

And terrifying. Terrific. Stays in Vegas. So I think they just ripped right from here. It also just never does though. What happens in Vegas, I hear about on a podcast a week later. And you know what, Hellfire Club, what stayed underground really did stay underground.

So they really, they took it to heart. So they really did it. And this club had like politicians in it, very elite and powerful people. Even the Earl of Sandwich was a member. Right. John Montagr. That guy, the sandwich guy. He was a member. And John Montagno. That guy, the same one guy.

He was a member, and the whole premise of the clubs was to allow the members to be completely independent from traditional societal rules. Basically, do what you want. They drink, they had orgies, they mock the church, just like all kinds of shit. They were like living down there. Mocking the church was like the biggest thing that made them like,

Satanists. They were like, oh, you must be with the devil. But it was just some kind of, this having fun. You're reviving. This is so, I mean, this is so, I think what's funny about it is, like, just we've always needed space. Yeah. To not deal with any sort of

constraints. Yeah, I mean, how I don't like how I'm exactly exactly you don't need to meet in an underground cave. Yes, you close your hotel room door, like what happens under balance stays underground. I'm just debatching in here. You're like, we just have your suitcase. We were just bringing the room service. Sorry.

Now, according to burials and beyond, which is a really good website, they had none themed sex parties. None themed sex parties. Were there real nuns? I don't think so. I think these were just just facetious nuns, but yeah, it was it was going on. And this is in the 1700s. Yeah. So people have always been kind to rad. People have always been cheeky. I like that. That's right. Notice like much creepier than this to me. Because this to me just actually feels like kind of silly. Maybe I'm, it feels silly not spooky at all. But do you know what an anchorite or an anchoris is? But I'm afraid of that. It's a, it's like a none or like a priest who wanted to be like specifically devoted to like one church and one and like and

also to solo and that person would like pledge to a particular physical church and then the church would build a little thing around the outside and involve them into it with like a little window And that's where the person lived for the rest of their life Why a little cell that's walled to the outside of the church usually so so you could visit if you were like What whatever and so that church was like really then very blessed by that particular person and the town But anyway, that these, this would have existed at the same time. Yes. I'm thinking like these motherfuckers

are like, we're hardasses. We go in a cave below a thing or a thing. I have a non-themed sex party. It's like, no, this is fucking chill. You know who is, who is not chill? Who's not chill at all? Is the fucking none walled to the church above you, dogs? That fucking nun is not so there! You're living in a wall right now. Yeah, you're like a... Well, you're self-intuitive. Like a church, so I know it's real.

Yeah, it's like a little like male shoots that you can go on. They're just like in a real red. Like fuck, that shit is, that's bananas. That's the definition of spooky. In which wild is these people are existing doing this, this thing, their main like meeting area when they end up going underground in these tunnels was right under a church.

So that's happening above the, exactly. Exactly. And above them, this is just like, I'll talk to no one, but God. I'm gonna hold my hands. Well, I'm gonna hold my hands. Oh, my God. That, that, like, makes me feel like I'm walled up in a church.

I know, it's also like, I grew up in Paloct, but I was like, what if I did that to someone else? I was like, I asked you, I missed. Like, what's scarier? You know what I mean? Like, it's like so scary. That's all scary. I asked for this scarier. Asked you like what's scary or you know what I mean like it's like so scary You're in a place of I asked for this

They're selling merch outside that says I T-shirt they like push them through the slots so that none can sign. That's so final. The endoman. Wow, that's scary. That's way scarier, because they just came together to do these crazy parties. They discuss, and they also like to have like a finer moment

where they would discuss literature with each other. Oh, and for G, then literature. It, with each of the first 4G then literature. Yeah. It was essentially the finer things club from the office, but with orgies. That's what it was. Absolutely. And in 1721, actually King George

the first heard about all this and all the rumors that were happening. And he actually outlawed it. Like, wouldn't allow it to happen. So then they were doing it like under, like, you know, behind the Kings back. Ooh, but nobody gave a shit. They were like, okay, sure, George.

But in 1746, Sir Francis Dashwood decided to form another version of this club. He called it like a ton of shit, but it was a Hellfire Club. That's what it essentially was. They did get called that eventually, but they started by calling themselves the dilatantii. And his club, which is like, woohoo! And his clubs did not allow women to join. Lane, because why not just progress backwards at this point, you know? And it was supposed to be very high brow,

and this one was supposed to be, it was touted as a men's study group. To talk about literature, ancient Greece, history, they were just fancy. That's so true. That's so true. But again, it was just a gentleman's club, is what they were calling it. And after attending some Hellfire clubs himself, he decided he was really going to lean into their ideals. So this eventually got called the monks of Medmenham, I believe it was,

in the order of the Knights of St. Francis, who I prefer the latter, yeah, which was then eventually called Hal Fodder Club. But Benjamin Franklin was a member of the author, also Czechs, because he lived in England for a while. You know, that makes sense. You wanted to invent glasses. There you go, you wanted to see it. You wanted to invent glasses. There you go.

You wanted to see it. You wanted to see what was going on. He was like, I feel like I'm missing a huge part of this. Let me put my specs on. It's dark in the caves. So Hellfire Club, again, all about pleasure. Very hell-racer. Ah, yes.

Which since you don't love horror movies, so. Don't worry about the summary. You're like, don't worry,'t worry. I know I want you to I've read the summary so you know it is a confusing movie to read a summary of the also I think I was gonna say that when you just very complicated. Yeah, there's a lot of ideas in there I don't think you should watch it though because like real scary. Yeah Yeah, well, don't people get torn apart. Oh, yeah, truly. Yeah, that's like, I don't like to know about that. That

happens like a couple times in the first one. Everybody's getting lots about a heart. Horn apart. Yeah. Lots of that. But Hellfire Club had such sites to show you. Basically, that's what they were here to do. Just like pinhead, just like pinhead. And they

used to have the like, so they had their none sex parties. They would also have parties where you had to come in costume, kind of like, you know, like an ABC party, like an eyes wide shut. So the same like that kind of vibe, that movie eyes wide shut where they have that like crazy ritual. Oh, I haven't seen that. Yeah. See, when you, if you see it, you'll, it's like the same. If you know, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you would have to come and costume to these parties. There was wine, there was orgies,

there was ancient ritualistic symbols, there were spallic symbols everywhere, they were just all about it. I love that like since the dawn of time people have been like drawing dicks on the other side. Dicks. I also love that because of your age, I think you haven't seen Eyes Wide Shut, but it would have come out when maybe you were like teens or something, because it's a Stanley Kubrick movie.

So it's actually really long, slow, kind of boring bananas, but there's some sex stuff in it, and I just, it was for sure something that young teens were like sneaking and yapping, but like jokes on us because it is like a so fucked film, and so slow. It's like Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, and you're like, oh, but there were a couple at the time, and all these things, and it's like, just cut to those kids being like, just cut to those kids being like when when does anyone have a fast word like this is so yeah oh my god I haven't seen food yet what's happening walking again and then it gets real fucked up and you're like whoa what am I doing it's also like tension like it's but it's also like tension. Like it's like not, it's not like, it's meant to be a cinematic experience. Exactly. Like eyebrow, like pausing porquies to get that in.

And it's like, no, this is not the same. Not the same. Right. Yeah. I don't think I've ever been described as eyebrow. So I'll sit that one up. None of us very high brow. It's very, very high brow.

Very high brow. They also had the largest collection of pornography in their underground library. It's very high brow. Very high brow. They also had the largest collection of pornography in their underground library. That's a flat. The largest collection in England. Excuse me. I don't want to. I want to oversell it. Not in the world. Not the world. Maybe we don't know. But they had a couple of meeting places, but as time went on, they got a ton of members, because that sounds great. And I said, we needed a bigger place. Was that 40? And I was like, whoops, my previous self, my previous life.

In a past life. So they needed a bigger place for headquarters, for meeting places. So the first place that they got was an abandoned monastery. And it was in West Wycombe. It was like super rundown, like big columns. And it was like West Wycombe. It was like super rundown like big columns, and it was like super Gothic looking which definitely worked with their vibe

that they were trying to achieve. And this is when the members started calling themselves nuns or monks, they would refer to themselves as nuns or monks, but they were not. And on the top of the door, Dashwood, so this whole place is like really rundown and Gothic and like creepy, but he had this beautiful stained glass sign put above the door that said in Latin,

and I'm not even gonna try to extend it for down sip, but it translates, I'm not gonna read the Latin. It translates to do what thou wilts. Oh, I like that. Which is their motto. So he was like, come on in, do whatever the fuck you want. I actually don't like that motto. Do what thou like, come on in, do whatever the fuck you want. I actually don't know. Do what that will. Yeah. Why not? But then they switched to an even more spooky and metal,

in my opinion, establishment. They went into legit caves underground. In 1748, Dashwood started using his money to have caves around Y-com and under the monastery and some churches, expanded into a network of caverns and tunnels. These tunnels actually run under the river sticks. Which I didn't even realize, I totally forgot that's like an actual thing, named after obviously the river sticks. Right. So it's got good vibes down there. Yeah, totally. They look good. They shouldn't sage or anything.

No, and this is when they adopted that motto of what goes underground stays underground. You know, Vegas. So newspapers of this time period were all about the secret society. They would say that they were clearly performing rituals and sacrifices, although no evidence came forward of that. They would just say it because they were mocking the church and doing things that were not great at the time. But they were going against society and morality, so they had to be the devil. It was just, we're mad. You either are with us or you are against us and you are the devil. So, devil. Now, near these caves is an inn and it has a covenant

too, and it's called the Georgian Dragon. And it was built in 1720, still stands. Many members of the Hellfire Club were frequent visitors to the Inns and the Bar and the lodgings there. And there's a ghost that is part Georgian Dragon and part Hellfire Club cave, kind of like a mismatch. Oh. And this ghost is a 16 year old bar maid

and she used to work at the In's pub in the 18th century. Her name was Suki, and her tail is actually pretty sad. Oh, so Suki was apparently beautiful, she was smart, she was savvy, she was like a cool chick, and she was very much sought after, especially by the people who traveled through the end and got a drink at the pub. She was interested in anyone. She was like holding out.

Suki was doing Suki. Yeah, she had standards. She had standards. She was not going to give into them. So she was rebuffing most of these men's affection. She was like, no, thank you. She was holding out for a nobleman. She was like, I'm going to work my way out. I deserve better. Okay. Smart gal. So she was waiting and finally one day this kind and handsome young traveler comes in and it's love. At first sight, they immediately are smitten with each other. He keeps coming in. They're having this like adorable flirtation. And people believed he was likely part of the Hellfire Club too,

because he was a nobleman. And then like a lot of them came through there. And again, he liked her too, but things were happening. So this sounds like a happy tale. It's like cool. Suki got what she wants. Probably not. No, she's a tragic ghost.

So three men who actually were lusting after Suki to an extreme degree, like we're not ready. They heard that she had fallen for someone else. Toxic masculinity goes deep and rejection was not something that they were ready to take. They were not ready to just tuck their tails and walk out of the place. So they decided revenge was the only way to go about dealing with their sad feelings, which never ends well. No.

So they put together a message and they sent it to her at the end. And in the message, it said that it was from her beloved, like the man she was in love with. And he was asking her to meet him at the Hellfire caves. And she was probably stoked. I would be stoked. I was like, all right.

Because what happens underground stays underground. She's going to have a night. She'd probably shaved her legs. She shaved above the knee. It's great. She was going to town. And when he asked her to wear a white dress because he said, I want to run away and get married. I was said, one away. I want to be a man. I want to land Mauiou. So where are your white dress? And she's all excited. She's like, I'm going to dress like a bride. So she puts on her beautiful white dress.

She goes down to the caves and she arrives there and she's just waiting for him holding her lantern in those caves. Hours go by and she's waiting and he's not showing up. And then suddenly those three assholes walk out and they're laughing hysterically at her, humiliating her. She's pissed. So she was like, and she was also probably terrified.

She's in a dark cave with these three. Yeah, I would not be psyched. So she's angry and she's yelling at them and being like, how dare you? They retaliated by all three of them throwing rocks at her. Like taunting her and throwing rocks at her. Eventually, she got hit in the head with a rock that cracked her skull, knocked her out.

The three gentlemen run out of the cave, taking her lantern with them. So she is now in complete nutter darkness, just bleeding out on the ground. And somehow, by someone, no one knows who, someone must have come and brought her back to her room at the end. And they must have wrapped her head in some kind of like towel of some sort. But no one called the doctor, no one called anyone, they just placed her in her bed, and she was left there bleeding. She was found dead the next morning. and they just placed her in her bed, and she was left there bleeding.

She was found dead the next morning. What? Yeah, the fuck. No. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. I don't like it. Suki did not either, because Suki is pissed.

And she probably has a lot of unfinished business in both of these places. She's seen a ton now, two days she is seen at this second, in the in itself. And she's walking through the hallways. People say dressed in her white gown. She's like an angry bride. Yeah, she brings a heavy draft of cold air

and leave whatever she goes. No, I don't like tear it up. Ooh, my dead bride reference was topical. It was. I'm just throwing up. I don't like it. You're like, oh no, it's just vomiting. Excuse me, I'm just dragging me. I don't like it. You're like, oh, no, it's just vomiting. Excuse me. I'm just driving me. I'm actually just going to need a second.

Let me let you drive you. No, I don't like it. Well, it's even worse because guests will see her. They'll wake up in their beds and see Sui sitting at the Vanity Mirror in their room or at the edge of their bed. And she said to be just sad and not, she doesn't have a threatening feel to her. But the scary part is when people see her, she still has the cloth wrapped around her head that's soaked in blood. And she'll just turn around and stare at them and then vanish. Oh, I wish you guys could see Cam's face right now? Cam is not well. I don't like ghosts.

I don't like ghosts. I asked for this. So now that prank wasn't funny. That prank that they pulled on Suki turned into murder. So there's just that. Started as a prank ended in murder. But apparently, the Hellfire Club was a bunch of pranksters. Like they were known to be a bunch of pranksters. I thought this

was funny. It has nothing to do with ghosts, but I just thought it was funny. Mostly their pranks were at other people's expense. And there was a report that the Earl of Sammy there, John Romney, and Dashwood himself actually attended a church service in town one day and they brought with them a tiny monkey and released it into the service and the whole place thought it was actually the devil himself and they fled in terror Obsessed I was like that's kind of funny Intense especially if you've never if you have no context for a monkey, I mean, like you're just like, what the hell is he?

Not everybody has seen a monkey. Exactly. So, era. That is the devil himself. Especially probably not in England. I also, where did they get a monkey? I also feel bad for the monkey. I know, it's not cool to like use unwilling animals

in your pranks. Like that probably wasn't right. But that monkey, he was probably like, let's fuck shit up. But that's funny, but also Benjamin Franklin who I said was a member. He said to also still be hanging down in those caves sometimes. Ooh. He was good pals with Dashwood.

He became part of the club while the caves were happening. And he apparently had a chamber in the cave named after him. It was his like special chamber. I don't like that. I don't like the idea of a benton Franklin chamber. I don't mind him as a ghost. I don't like that idea of a chamber. I don't like the idea of a bedding place for some reason. I don't mind him as a ghost. I don't know why. That doesn't bother me.

I don't want to bride to be a ghost. Yeah, I don't want anyone to be sitting in here. No, no, like that. Especially not on your bed when you wake up. I don't like the idea of them turning around. Here's things I don't like. Yeah. When people are walking down the hall, if it's a ghost,

don't walk down the hall. Don't walk down the hall.'t walk down see me walk right Get out of here get out of here Yeah, I don't like that no But Benjamin Franklin if he was just like I'm doing a lot of work. You know what I mean? I don't really know anything about him except that he's like Yeah, and that's essentially what he's still doing like, do more. He did stuff. Yeah.

And that's essentially what he's still doing. So you're correct. He's really just looking around his chamber. That's fine. I'm okay. You can do that. He doesn't bother anyone, but it's kind of funny because American tourists will be like,

it's so weird that it looks like the guy on the money. Like they're like, that's all this guy down there and he's like the guy on the money and they're like, yeah, that's Benjamin Franklin. That's the guy himself. Like we money and they're like, yeah, there's Benjamin Franklin. That's the guy himself. We know. We're like, yeah. But yeah, he's just down there apparently just searching for something. Nobody really knows what. Maybe he dropped his glasses in there and he's looking forever.

I don't like that. I don't like that he's searching for something. Because what is he searching for? Yeah. What do you do in there? Secret secrets. Are no fun secrets secrets hurt someone. There you go. That's what this is all about. I also don't like ghosts that scream. No.

Just had to throw that out there. We've run into a lot of stories where a ghost will just shriek and then disappear. No. No, I don't think they do that. I don't like that. They don't do that. They don't do that.

They don't do that. They don't do that to me. I get over-simulated a lot of sound and that would like, send me into a, I'd have to go. You'd wall yourself up in a church. I would, I would. Yeah. No, I'd do that. Oh, I know.

So we have Benjamin Franklin who's not, he's just kind of like looking around. We have Suke, who's really angry, really sad and just running around with a bleeding head for Suke. Now, the Georgian dragon itself was also the site of a robbery that turned into murder, like right in the end. And this man who I could not find a name for was murdered actually in the pub part of the end. And now people can hear him walking with a heavy boot up and down the main staircase.

That's like his haunt. And I found a case where someone was so upset one night about the constant slamming of what sounded like heavy feet just up and down that they yelled out for it to stop. And it stopped when they did that, but then it continued until the person left, like kept going until they left.

They said, this is my residual haunt and you're not gonna tell me why I can't and can't do. I am getting my steps in. Get off. This is the kind of thing where like people then deliberately stay at this place because they're different than me. Because they're different than me. Yeah, that's like us. Like we can go stay there. Yeah. I don't want to go see these caves, but I'm scared you wouldn't cave. Why don't we go do an in-person recording? Yeah. Are you gonna come at the thing? At the thing with ghost. Yeah, if I see ghost I'll die I'll die and go and then it'll be my ghost and my ghost will just be saying to people Imagine a ghost with spring in your ear. I saw ghost you might be the coolest fucking ghost of all time

I'd be the coolest fucking ghost of all time. Maybe the scariest go imagine. I saw a ghost. I feel like our ghost. Oh my god. I like that. You should put that in your back pocket. Holy shit. Keep that, keep that idea in your brain.

Oh man. That's good. Oh, that just gave me the chills. I keep the, I don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that at all. So we'll talk about one or, yeah, one or two more little ones. So we got Paul Whitehead.

Do you know him? No, no, you don't. No, but I had to go to a dermatologist because of him once. What? Ah! Ah! Well, he is another one that is haunting the cave

in kind of the surrounding areas. Now Paul Whitehead was an important part of the Hellfire Club in the adjacent communities I would say. He was the secretary and manager of the entire organization. He knew everything about the club. It's going on. That man, he knew everything about very powerful and important people. Oh, so this guy was like, someone you either had to kill to make sure your stuff wasn't leaked out,

or you had to be real nice to him. So he was a pretty powerful guy. But he went so far as to obviously, he knew a lot. This is how we know some shit was going down in there because he went so far as to burn all books and papers that had anything to do with the club in like a huge bonfire. And there are reports that he said to those there during that this time, neither history nor my critics shall judge me by my works. No man shall pick over my words and divine the sublime. So he's like, I'm not going to give you shit heads anything. Everybody deleting their Twitter. Literally. It's like he just went off the grid immediately. But what's weird, six hours after he did this, he died in his bed.

Ooh. Do you think he knew he was heading out? I think he might have known and he was like, I can't leave all this shit. Yeah, in the world. But in the world. No such thing as a coincidence. And is he come back as a ghost with no paperwork? He does actually. That's part of his haunt. How did you know?

So this guy's always just looking for like an administrative employee around. He's like, help. He's like, are there any paperwork? He works left. Someone helped me. But it gets even weirder because he left in his will. He wanted to leave his body to science,

which like good on him. But he wanted his heart, in particular, to be left to Sir Francis Dashwood, to take his heart and have it placed in an urn and put on display in the caves. That's really bad. That's why are you, why? Yeah.

Yeah, that's cool. And Dashwood did it. Yeah I did. He did it. What do you mean by on display? Like just put it in an urn and you want to that urn. Yeah. See through? I don't think so. I think it was so the urn was on display. That's what I'm saying. But don't worry because apparently people would visit this ur earn forever. And they would open it, take the heart out and play ball with it. They play catch with it. That's not what I thought you were gonna say. I thought they would hear a speeding heart.

I thought that I thought it would be spooky, not inappropriate sports. Yes, so inappropriate sports. Spooky inappropriate sports. Your curse. You can't touch somebody's heart without consent. Apparently, the thing is like you're literally or literally. Here's what I'll say about this. It's like growing up in the Catholic church, none of this is like spookier than anything that's just normalized in that faith and religion. Like, for instance, saints are just like chopped up and then their body,

different body parts are put in under different altars as like the reason that that particular church is rad. Like someone's head is somewhere and they're like fingers somewhere else. You know, that's what like relics are. Yeah. And that is, it's all cute until you like grow up and think about it. Until you actually know. I know. You just wait a minute. Wow. Isn't that, Nare? I had no idea, but that was a thing.

I just let me just turn. Yeah, it's just rad. Because the States fingers under the altar. Totally. Yeah, it's like a whole, it's a whole thing. And also, this is, I mean, because I was a theology student, like lived in Rumpville a while, like this whole, it's a whole thing. And also, this is, I mean, because I was a theology student, like lived in Rome for a little while, like this is, this was, like this, all of the spooky stuff, like I've been to the, there are subcats, it comes beneath the Vatican that I've been to.

Oh, that's amazing. That's a certain number of people are allowed to go to every year because your breath degrades it. And there's like, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've sealed doors. And then it's like, you've like, 10 seconds to walk through them, like, door shuts in. Oh my god. And like, by the way, also there is a pope who the lore is. His popes are not emboldened. And then they had to dig, it's John the 23rd, they had to like, dig him up to move his body or whatever.

And then when they opened the thing, he was not decayed. So then what they did was they put him in a glass case in the St. Peter's, he's like, you can see him. And I think that actually the church has said since then, like no, he is involved. But the reason people were initially interested is because he was not involved and you could see his entire body.

Like I've seen his entire body, it looks like it's carved out of wood. It's terrifying. But my point is nobody's to ball with it, but they did put it in my hand. Somebody's like ball. So all of these, like, all of, I mean, also ghosts aren't really a thing, but angels, Jesus.

Actually, I'm gonna strike that, Jesus. One of the most famous. If not the most famous ghosts of time. He's not going to eat it. He's not going to was hit. Was it yet? Is he the Holy Spirit? Because then there's another one. No, no, no, no, but you know, he was killed. He was, he was crucified and then he came back three days later. Then he walked on. He said to all of his friends, if you don't believe it's me, put your hand inside of my body where I've been stabbed by like a, what is this? A spear or do you want to touch? You put your fingers inside of my body where I've been stabbed by a like a what is this a spear or do you want to touch

you put your fingers inside of my hands where I was nailed to the bro my point is like no yeah yeah I was happy all of his friends were like okay Jesus so my trust you and then we like painted pictures of that and we put it up everywhere. Or just like this is so cute, but it's like horrifying. That's there's nothing that is truly spooky. Well, and that's I wonder if this whole thing like put my heart in an urn and put it on display is almost like a little like nudge at like the relics kind of thing. Like this is our holy place. Yeah, quote unquote that we're mocking religion

down here. There's got to be something there and then then as holes just came and played ball with his heart. Yeah, which like whoa, just that it's that more than one person had the idea to take the heart out and play catch is unfathomable to me. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable.

I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable.

I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. I'm unfathomable. and it's gonna start crispin' and fallin' apart. It crisp. Oh, I don't know what it's gonna dry out. But I feel like you probably do know what it does. So yeah.

Yeah, and it's gonna dry out eventually. Like, it's gonna take a while, but it's gonna dry out and then it's just gonna start getting gnarly. Yeah, it's gonna smell bad. That thing's gonna smell. Yeah, but yeah. That's, your hands are gonna smell for a while, but I think back then they were all just smelly anyways.

That started a plague. They were so smelly that if one of them had touched a decaying for the other people, a lot of them. Probably not. You never know. That's the only one who was doing. That's a whole thing. Anyway, wow. Yeah. It's wild. And the heart was stolen. All even there anymore. 1829, it got stolen by some, they claim it's an Australian soldier, but I don't know if that was just being like, they did it. No basis.

There's no actual basis, but the urn is still around. Just sans heart. And people will see Paul now, Paul Whitehead, the heart man, they'll see him looking for his heart in the caves. Oh, that's sad. And around the areas of the George and Dragon Inn, and they say he believed, they believe

that he's also trying to, which I don't know if I believe this, he went to a lot of trouble to get rid of those secrets. People think he's trying to unveil, like finally reveal the secrets of the Hellfire Club. I don't think so. So he's looking for like papers to be like, ah, then you know, he birds. Like maybe maybe he left some in there and only he knows where it's hidden and now he's looking for it.

It's like when you put something in a spot and you're like, that's a good spot. I'm gonna find that and then you spend the rest of eternity looking for it. Yeah. I don't look and I have to go in a moment but I do have to say that of those two things, a ghost looking

for its own heart is so much scarier than a ghost who's just misplaced. Yes, I'm just going to go with the looking for the heart. That's the way more scary. I've seen my like, I've like a W2, but I, it was here before I died and you can find it because I remember where I put it. It's still alive and I owe back taxes. There's no way. We could just facilitate this real quick.

That'd be great. Get it quick. And you know what the last thing I'll say before we have to end this, because it's just hilarious, is there, you know, it's also said that the sandwich was actually created down in the hellfire caves because the Earl of Sammy would ask people down there to bring him salted pieces of beef between bread and then they would do their gambling and he would be eating it.

So his friends would be like, hey, get me what, or I'll have the same as sandwich. That's what they would say and they would all get them. And now you're eating a hellfire sandwich. Awesome. Now that's how you hold a heart between two pieces of bread. Yes, a salted heart between two pieces of bread. Wow, thank you, Alina. And thank you, Cam, for joining us today.

We know you are so busy, so that was so cool of you to hang out with us today. Yeah, it was so nice to be here you know since I currently live in a hotel thanks so much for all of this hotel ghost material. You're welcome. I hope you don't run into Suki tonight. And let us know is there anything that you want to plug plug plug plug plug. Oh you know what's really fun right now that I'm just enjoying is like I just really make these videos

I'm like look I do is it any things but one thing I'm really think it's fun right now is I make these I make these videos on my Instagram I think they're fine. I love you. I love them so much. So I think people should just go watch those they're really they're just They're just stupid little real They're delightful. They make me happy. Yeah, They make us happy too. They'll make you happy. Go follow Cam on Instagram, you people. Yeah, I feel like it's like, I think they'll work for this audience. Yeah, I think so too.

Oh, absolutely. We'll put it in the show notes so that you guys can just click here. You can find. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. We hope that you keep listening and we hope that you keep it weird but that's a weird that your ghost that haunts cam's hotel because it's not like that Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music.

Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com-survey. Bye.