Morbid - Episode 424: The Horrifying Crimes of Dellen Millard and Mark Smich

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

Dellen Millard and Mark Smich are two of the world's biggest fuck boys, and unfortunately cold-blooded killers. Dellen, better known as "Dell", had everything in his life served to him on a s...ilver platter and never bothered to finish much of anything. Mark Smich lived a life carrying out petty thefts and selling single cigarettes outside of a high school he no longer went to. The two of these assholes crossed paths due to some catastrophe in the stars and decided that they wanted to steal a truck. Their plan of doing so would lead to murder and an investigation that would uncover several other mysterious deaths.Thank you to the vivacious David White for research assistanceReferencesAlamenciak, Tim. 2013. "Shocking Twist in Kidnap Mystery." Toronto Star, May 12.BBC News. 2018. Dellen Millard killed father as he slept and inherited millions. September 24. Accessed January 4, 2023. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45632106.Brocklehurst, Ann. 2016. Dark Ambition: The Shocking Crime of Dellen Millard & Mark Smich. Toronto, ON: Viking.Casey, Liam. 2019. "Serial killer Dellen Millard appeals conviction and sentence for father's murder." CBC News, January 22.—. 2018. "Wayne Millard Was 'Very Happy' in the Weeks Before His Death, Trial Hears." Globe and Mail, June 18.Clairmont, Susan. 2013. "Police Probe Millard Links to Other Cases." Guelph Mercury, May 18.—. 2022. "Killers Could Get Earlier Parole Eligibility." The Spectator, November 26.—. 2013. "Smich Cowers in Court Before Justice of Peace." The Spectator, May 24.Crib Foreign, Robert, Liam Casey, and Jennifer Pagliaro. 2013. "Jailhouse Interview: Dellen Millard Says He Didn't Kill Tim." London Community News, December 2013.Hayes, Molly. 2013. "Tim Bosma was a 'Hard-Working Country Boy'." Guelph Mercury, May 15.—. 2013. "Search Extends to Waterloo Farm." The Spectator, May 14.—. 2013. "Timothy Bosma Put His Pickup Truck Up for Sale on Two Different Website." The Spectator, May 9.Leitner, Richard. 2013. "Bosma Suspect's 'Ambition' Tattoo Unique: Police." Flamborough Review, May 10.London Community News. 2013. "Have You Seen Tim Bosma?" London Community News, May 8.Magi, Kim. 2013. "Tim Bosma Search: Police Arrest Man in Mississauga." Mississauga News, May 11.Metroland Media. 2013. "'I Am Broken Because Part of Me is Gone'." Brant News, May 15.Peterborough Examiner. 2018. "Courtroom Erupts with Cheers after Millard, Smich Sentenced for Babcock Murder." Peterborough Examiner, February 26.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, Prime members, you can listen to morbid, early, and ad-free on Amazon music. Download the app today. You're listening to Immorbid Network Podcast. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about two judges who stood accused of making millions of dollars in a brazen scheme that shattered the lives of countless children. Listen to American scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey weirdos, I'm Elena.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Hamash. And this is morbid. I am getting over a straight up laughing attack. I don't know if Elena has shown all of you, but she, I have not seen her show me a golden technique. Is it Miss Universe? I think it's like Miss World or something or Miss Universe. One of those is the same thing. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Maybe there are. But is the universe, well the universe is bigger than the world right? Yeah, yeah, so I don't know which one I think it's Miss World Okay, one of those competitions where everybody's involved hold on How can I even say that you're Miss universe when we don't know about life on other planets you're not Miss universe? You don't even know I'm saying you know what you're all Miss universe in my book It's very new each one of you miss universe in my book. It's very unusual. I really don't want to be. But
Starting point is 00:01:46 either way, there's this TikTok going around and it's all of the contestants. They force the contestants to like scream their country name and there's some of them that you can tell are just like not it. Like Denmark is like Denmark. Like it's like get out of here. Like they're not happy about it. And it's hard
Starting point is 00:02:02 to scream. I just want to preface this. It's hard to scream daintily. So, but it gets to France. And her scream, it's like a fucking goop. She screams France. And it's like, it's like a seagull. Like, ah, and it's like a seagull like It's so funny Like I don't in here. I am saying I couldn't do better. No, I'd be like you
Starting point is 00:02:33 Freakin out it's hard to yell but Holy shit It's one of the funniest things I've ever heard of my life. It's on TikTok I don't know you give you probably just type in France at this point. I'm sorry. And I'm sure I don't come up. But it'll make you laugh.
Starting point is 00:02:53 And you need that. And you need that. We all need that. I'm not in funny. I love TikTok. And I do too. I often scroll through TikTok and think, like, what are they doing to me right now? I often scroll through TikTok and think like what are they doing to me right now?
Starting point is 00:03:06 I I often scroll through and I'm like what did I do to deserve this? gift That has been bestowed upon me. I mean I go but I go I get that and I've literally screamed like I screamed I screamed like friends as soon as I saw it I I screamed like friends as soon as I saw it. I won't know what happened. She won't know what's next to me and I just went, like I just freaked out.
Starting point is 00:03:29 I was like, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. I'm like, so different. And then I swipe and it's like, sinister pom-bite, making me shit my pants laughing. And then it's Drew. Drew, she kills me. Drew, it's... Off will, off will. And she kills me. Drew's listening to her.
Starting point is 00:03:47 It's the purest sound in the entire world. It is... I can't get it. It's I, love her. It's all the best. I mean, it's great. It's great. My free page just gets me.
Starting point is 00:03:59 It makes me smile. It makes me laugh. And it was so necessary. Ash is dying. I'm so sorry, oh shit. That was funny. But there's no way to transition. Yeah, but we got all the funny out now,
Starting point is 00:04:15 cause oh man, it's about to get real. Yeah, no, we needed, we needed to get it. We needed to get it, we needed to get it through that. It's just texting the restaurant names because it's like nine o'clock at night and none of us have cooked dinner. No. He's literally just going Boston market
Starting point is 00:04:32 to put like, an era. I'm like, can you calm down? Like, I don't know. It's just rapid fire. Like, what's all about? I feel like I don't know. I'm still going. I'm working, okay. At least he gives restaurant names.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I and John will not pick a restaurant. He's not giving anything that I'm like craving right now, but I don't, you know when you're craving something, you don't know one of these. All right, well, enough about me. I'm friends. All right, so the, yeah, there's really no way to transition out of this, but today's case is a really, really sad case.
Starting point is 00:05:07 It's one of those ones that starts and then almost like the Lori Valow case in the way that like it started and then it just peeled back layer upon layer of just fucking evil and evil onion. And evil onion. They take it back, taking it back. And we're in a place of Canada. Canada. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:05:29 I don't know. In a place of Canada. We're in a place of Canada. I love Canada. I mean, oh yeah, you've been. And I love Canadians. I love Canadians too. We got Johnny and Tyler.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Yep, and like Jordan. We got Mikey. Lens. Lens is it like full-blown Canadian but our family is Canadian. So does that mean that Mikey's not full blown Canadian? There's a Canadian in there. I said flow.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Flow blow. You know? Flow blown Canadian. You know what? Canadians. Well, everyone in this case is Canadian. And today's case takes place in Encaster, Ontario. Ooh, sounds pretty.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Yeah. And also just a quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick. No, okay. It is raining. Oh, so you're gonna get soothed. But it's by the sounds of rain drops in the background. Yeah, it's late. It is late. I like that laugh. That's another one. That's a one that they're good TikTok. All right, shut up, Ash. We're out of a place of TikTok. It is.
Starting point is 00:06:27 All right. So on the evening of May 6, 2013, Tim Bosma left his andcaster home with two men who simply wanted to test drive the truck that he'd been advertising for sale online. As Tim walked out the door, he turned around and told his wife, Charlene, he'd be right back. But that was the last time that Charlene or anybody else would see Tim alive. That's fucked up.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Really fucked up. In a pretty short time frame of the authorities, we're able to apprehend Dellen, better known as Del Millard, and his henchman, Mark Smitch, the men responsible for Bosma's death. At first, Tim's murder seemed pretty straightforward. Authorities felt like this was kind of like a thrill kill, but the deeper and deeper that they dug into Millard and Smitch's relationship and separate histories, the more they realized that they weren't dealing with like an impulsive one-off murder,
Starting point is 00:07:21 instead they realized that this case was rooted in a full-blown sinister plan that began well before Tim Bosma's murder. Instead, they realized that this case was rooted in a full-blown sinister plan that began well before Tim Bosmer's murder. And they would come to find out that it included more death and way more destruction than they ever, ever expected in the first place. Damn. Yeah. Like I said, it was just like peeling, peeling, peeling back the layers of on the end of an evil onion. But first let's head back to the beginning of this. So in early May of 2013, Tim Bosma's wife, Charlene, posted an ad on, I think it's
Starting point is 00:07:53 Kajiji.com on behalf of her husband who wanted to sell his truck. His truck was a black 2007 Dodge Power Ram 3500,500 diesel pickup truck. Yep. That. And by the way, Kajiji, I think it is pretty much like the Canadian version of Craigslist. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:13 But the truck had become a nuisance for the young family. It weighed over three tons and because of its size and requirement for diesel gas and like a shit ton of diesel gas, it was costing a lot of money to keep it running. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and Charlene and Tim had a two-year-old daughter. They were new-ish homeowners, so they thought instead of keeping the truck and having their finances completely drained by that truck, why not sell it and use the money to buy a smaller and more affordable car? Yeah, family first thinking. Makes sense. So at first, the ad that they put out didn't really
Starting point is 00:08:44 get much attention. So Charlene ended up placing another ad on a separate website where it did end up getting some views, but it didn't seem like it was getting like actual interest. And Tim was starting to get frustrated with this entire process and the lack of interest. He was really just about to give up on selling his truck, but then he got a message from somebody
Starting point is 00:09:04 who would hate the most. A seemingly genuine interest, me too. This potential buyer didn't give much information in his message, but he did seem interested, and he did say that he was willing to drive a very long distance, about 100 kilometers or 62 miles from Toronto to the Bosnus home, like I said, in semi-rural and
Starting point is 00:09:25 caster. If you're not familiar with this area, and caster is an Ontario suburb, which is like an hour outside of Toronto. Just so you know, I'm not familiar with the area either, but I did look it up, but I did look it up. So Tim and the prospective buyer agreed to meet on the evening of May 6th. Tim really wanted to make sure that the truck was in tip-top condition. He was ready to sell this thing and he was really hoping that this would be his chance. So to prep for the meeting, he washed the truck, he waxed it, he deep cleaned the interior, he vacuumed it out, like he went to town on this thing.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Just to make it look as good as possible. Every time I ran about this truck, I can't help but get there's some of the mud truck out on my head. I know what that is. It's like a country song. Oh. Yeah. That's why I don't know. I don't know any of the other words. I don't know. So mud truck. There is something about. I think they end up saying something about a farmer's time. I think that makes sense. I might have made that up though. I either way, I'm into it. Are you? I'm into you singing it. I'm so kind. I'm dry. On the morning of the sixth, though, Tim hadn't heard from the previously or seemingly previously interested buyer.
Starting point is 00:10:41 And he was getting nervous about this sale falling through the cracks. He's like, Jesus Christ, like, there's barely been any interest in that. This is going to fall through the cracks. So he was like, I'm not going to give up yet. He sent a message to the guy saying, good morning, it's Tim. I'm working in Hamilton today. If you want to meet, or do you still want to meet at my house tonight for 7 p.m. Morning came and went with no reply at all. So to the rest of the afternoon, Tim was pretty much getting the idea that this guy wasn't going to show up. He pretty much called it quits.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I know. He pretty much called it quits when he still hadn't heard anything by dinner time, but then the potential buyer finally called or messaged a little before 730. I think he called to say that he was on his way and he should be arriving to the household within the hour. We love an uncommunicative prick. Oh, yeah, we love it. I hate when someone says they're going to be somewhere at a certain time, and then they're not there at a certain time.
Starting point is 00:11:35 That makes me fucking crazy. You get 10 minutes. Yeah, 10 minutes. Honestly, I get annoyed after like three. Yeah, accurate. Yeah, can confirm. I have a text message on my phone from last night Yeah, hey, when you're gonna be here, but I was pulling in the drive. I wait when you said white when you said white when you said that
Starting point is 00:11:52 Yeah, it's true But the buyer ended up being a guy in his mid 20s and he did not arrive within the hour that he said he was going to Yeah, so he finally did arrive a little after 9 p.m. Oh, fuck him. And he had another young man with him who was also in his mid 20s. Tim's wife, Charlene, immediately thought it was strange that the two men showed up on foot. Yeah. They said they were willing, this one of them said he was willing to make this like really long drive, but then showed up on foot. Yeah, I don't like that. Tim had told her that they were traveling for more than an hour away, so she was like,
Starting point is 00:12:29 obviously they didn't walk this entire way. Like, where's the car that dropped them off? Like, what the fuck's going on here? But at the same time, she hadn't been on any of the text exchanges with them, so she figured there was some kind of good explanation. And again, they really wanted to sell this truck. Like, that's really their main interest here.
Starting point is 00:12:45 It hurts my heart. So the three men made small talk for a few minutes. Tim gave them all the information on the truck and before leaving the house for a test drive, he turned around to his wife and he said, I'll be right back. And that was just a little before 9.30 p.m. So Charlene, his wife, figured this would be a quick thing.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Just like a short trip, go down some local roads, take it on the highway, see if it's making any noises, you know the gist. So when Tim didn't return after an hour, she called his cell phone, but didn't end up getting an answer. She was slightly concerned, but she reminded herself that Tim was hardly a small guy. He was in really good shape,
Starting point is 00:13:21 so he could certainly take care of himself if the situation where he needed to orrised. Yeah. And he also dealt with strangers daily because he owned and operated his own HVAC business. So he really had no problem being aggressive, not aggressive, but assertive if the need came up. Yeah. So she, that kind of soothed her soul a little bit, but then more and more time went by,
Starting point is 00:13:43 and she called one more time and again got no more answer. And as the evening went on, she's still at her absolutely nothing. And she started to panic. Yeah. She's got a two-year-old out. Oh, I'd be losing it. Yeah. So she eventually decides it's time to call the police. Yeah. I'm not being crazy here. Something clearly went wrong. Absolutely. So the next day, still no Tim. And the Hamilton police service ended up releasing a statement to the press at 8 a.m. that day, still no Tim. And the Hamilton Police Service ended up releasing a statement to the press at 8 a.m. that morning regarding Tim's disappearance. The statement was brief.
Starting point is 00:14:11 It just said 32-year-old Bosma had gone missing the night before they gave a brief description of his physical appearance. They asked the public to contact the Hamilton Police with any information. And that was really that. The statement made no mention of the test drive or the two men that Tim had left the house
Starting point is 00:14:28 with the previous night, but that was on purpose. The police wanted to keep that information close to the chest because they didn't want to alert these two suspects that they knew anything about. Yeah, that makes sense. No need to have anybody do anything stupid. Yeah, that's good, that's good police work. And the thing is, in cases where adults disappear,
Starting point is 00:14:46 a lot of times the first assumption is not that they've been kidnapped or taken for a kind of nefarious purpose, but usually for whatever reason, you know, people think, oh, they've grown tired of their life, they walked away, they're running from something. Yeah, especially in an adult male too. Yeah, exactly, you know.
Starting point is 00:15:03 But by all accounts, Tim Bosma was in neither of those positions. He and Charlene had married three years earlier, a short time after that, like I said, Charlene gave birth to their daughter. Their daughter was two years old when it's happened. They were so excited to be new parents. They'd recently bought a new house together. And they were looking forward to their full journey together
Starting point is 00:15:23 as a family. They loved having people over. full journey together as a family. Like they loved having people over. They loved just being a family. And if you look up pictures, there's a picture of him holding his baby. It will break your heart. It's gut-runching. He was the, he's like adorable. And he looks like the sweetest, just like a dad, you know?
Starting point is 00:15:40 Yeah, and later I'll like tell you like his relationship with his family. And he just, he was, he was just a dad. He comes off that way. He just loved his family. It's so sad. But like I said earlier, the truck had become something of a financial burden. So I think they were like, well, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:55 maybe there could be something there. But then at the same time, Tim's age back business was doing pretty well. And he and Charlene really had no financial concerns beyond those of just like your typical young family. Yeah. To put it simply, Tim and Charlene really had no financial concerns beyond those of just like your typical young family. Yeah. To put it simply, Tim and Charlene were in a happy, stable relationship, and nobody could think of any reason that Tim would just run off without telling anybody. Yeah, and it's like they have to cross all that off the list, but it seems like it was pretty
Starting point is 00:16:18 easy to cross off the list here. Exactly. So on the afternoon of May 7th, two days after Tim has gone missing, or a day, excuse me, after he's gone missing, news about his disappearance started making its way or among social media. First, it was family and friends, but then words started spreading among a larger circle. And in contrast with the police statement, the post on Facebook were more detailed,
Starting point is 00:16:42 and of course included the fact that Tim had left the house with two young men. By that evening, the post on Facebook and Twitter had been shared thousands of times by everyone from friends and family, celebrities, news personalities. Every Tom Dick and Harry was sharing this story. And unfortunately, even though they had been widely shared, the social media posts and requests for information, no credible tips came from them. Yeah. If anything, it really just disrupted the investigation.
Starting point is 00:17:11 I was just going to say that happens more times than it doesn't happen. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's like, because things get put out there that aren't true, that are just rumor. Or that are true, but that the authorities are not wanting to let out. That's the other thing. It's like, you don't know why they're not saying what they're not saying.
Starting point is 00:17:28 It's like, you kind of just have to trust the process. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, look at the Idaho. Yeah. Exactly. I think I say later on in this, that there's another piece of this that reminds me so much of the Idaho case.
Starting point is 00:17:38 It's like everybody was on that whole police force saying like, they can't handle it. They're not going to be able to do it. Like, they're not telling us anything. They're just sitting around and nope, they would say. They had it almost. Yeah. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in US history, presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our newest series, we look at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about corruption inside
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Starting point is 00:19:01 So the next morning when it had become clear that Tim was definitely a missing person, Hamilton police officially opened up a case into his disappearance. And this case was led by Staff Sergeant Matt Kavanaugh. So Kavanaugh's first press briefing, it was really short and simple. He really just stuck to the facts of the case. He gave a description of Tim and the circumstances under which he disappeared. And then he went on to describe the men that he had left the house with that night, saying, the one who drove the truck was white
Starting point is 00:19:29 in his mid-twenties, six foot one or two, 170 to 180 pounds. He had light to medium, short brown hair, and was unshaven. He wore blue jeans, a long-sleeved orange shirt, and running shoes. The second male, the one who sat in the back, was also white.
Starting point is 00:19:44 In his early to mid-twents, five foot nine or 10, small to medium build, he was wearing a rude hooded sweatshirt with the hood up mostly covering his dark hair. I never like when somebody approaches me with their hood up. Immediately, I'm like, what are you trying to hide? Yeah. Why are you trying to hide your features? Yeah, that's true. Put your head down.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Put your head down. put your head down, and wait for me. So during this press briefing, the possibility actually of a third man being involved in Bosma's disappearance was introduced because remember, they showed up on foot. Yeah, that's fucking weird. Kavanaugh wouldn't really say too much about this. He would only confirm that the police
Starting point is 00:20:23 were investigating two suspects described by Charlene. But users on social media had been speculating about a third man since it seemed pretty unlikely that these two just walked there. Yeah. Kavanaugh wasn't going to speculate on the suspects, but he did tell reporters that due to the quote, unusual nature of the disappearance,
Starting point is 00:20:42 the case was being assigned to the Hamilton Police homicide unit and search and rescue team, along with a canine unit that had already been deployed but had not yet turned up any leads or evidence. Now, at the time of the first press briefing, police believed that the two mystery men had targeted Tim because they wanted the truck. But while alerts had gone out to all of the relevant agencies in the three-day census alerts had gone out to all of the relevant agencies and the three-day census disappearance, there was no sign of this vehicle at all. Investigators had been able to get some data on Tim's cell phone in the hours after his disappearance. But the
Starting point is 00:21:16 following day, it seemed like the phone had been turned off. Oh, God. This is like, I'm just thinking about how much this would just kill me if I was this way. Oh my God, it would destroy me. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. She must be one of the strongest people on planet earth to go on after this because this
Starting point is 00:21:33 entire time all I could think of was was true. Yeah. It's awful. So in the afternoon of May 9th, Charlene, Tim's wife went on television begging anybody with information to come forward and urging the two suspects to please release her husband. She said, as you know, I watched my husband drive away just after nine o'clock on Monday night. He smiled at me and said he'd be right back.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And I've not seen him since. You were all aware that I saw the two men who took my husband. You've already provided a description of these two individuals. I ask you if you see anybody that closely provided a description of these two individuals. I ask you if you see anybody that closely matches the description of these men to please call the police. My husband, Tim, is a loving father to our beautiful two-year-old girl and she needs her daddy back. His parents need their little boy back, even reading this makes me want to cry. All our brothers and sisters want their brother back. We look forward to being able to put
Starting point is 00:22:24 our arms around him and tell him how much we love back. We look forward to being able to put our arms around him and tell him how much we love him. We hope and pray that today is the last day of this nightmare. Oh, God. Unfortunately, it was not. But Charlene was incredibly well-composed for somebody in her circumstances.
Starting point is 00:22:38 But of course, when she mentioned her family, especially the children involved, she became upset. She was asked how the children were doing during all of this. And she relayed this heartbreaking story about one of the kids in her family, explaining that quote, Uncle Timmy has been stolen. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Something seemed to ignite in her though after she answered that question. And she looked directly into the camera, seemingly talking to the two suspects and told them loudly, it was just a truck. It is just a truck. You don't need him, but I do. And our daughter needs her daddy back.
Starting point is 00:23:12 So please, please let him come home. We need him to come home and make God have mercy on you. I'm literally in covered in chills right now. Wow. I have read that several times over. And this is the first time I've read it all out and I'm covered in chills. now. Wow. I have read that several times over. And this is the first time I've read it all out and I'm covered in chills. That just...
Starting point is 00:23:29 For that woman, that wife, that mother, to be in that position, because these two dickheads just felt like doing this. Oh my God. Because that's what happened. They just wanted to do this. That makes me so angry. They didn't care about the truck. They didn't care about his family. They literally just wanted to do this. That makes me so angry. They didn't care about the truck.
Starting point is 00:23:45 They didn't care about his family. They just wanted to kill someone. They just wanted to kill somebody for the thrill of it and they wanted to steal a car. My God. But do just steal the car. Yeah. Take the car.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Exactly. I'm sure they would have been much rather that. Absolutely. Like she said, it's just a truck. It was just a truck. It is just a truck. Like my husband is more than just my husband. He is everybody's world. And she know, and what kills me is she had to watch these men walk out the door of her home with her husband. And now she has to know they were taking him. And it's like you sat there and made small talk with him,
Starting point is 00:24:26 I'm sure his daughter came up. I'm sure there's a possibility they even saw his daughter. I don't know if that's true or not. But you don't know. You just take her dad away. I'm sure they're the pictures of her. Exactly. You just take her away.
Starting point is 00:24:37 It took him away from his daughter and his wife. And you don't think twice about that? Yeah, you have to be a real fucking monster. Narcissist, piece of shit, dickbag.. Yeah, you have to be a real fucking monster. Narcissist piece of shit dickbag. That's all you have to be. Later that day, after she gave that press conference, everybody's hopes fell when police found out that Tim's cell phone, or excuse me, they found his cell phone in an industrial area of West
Starting point is 00:25:00 Brandford, which was about 20 minutes away from the Bosma's home. According to Kavanaugh, the lead investigator, Tim's truck was spotted driving in downtown Brandford at 1010 PM on the night of the disappearance. Kavanaugh asked that all of the businesses in that area check any surveillance camera footage for any additional sightings they might find or lead to, and he was hoping that they could use that footage to trace the root that the truck had taken through town. Something a bit more important though than the truck sighting was that investigators had managed to follow up on the other cell phone that had been used to
Starting point is 00:25:36 exchange text messages and calls with Tim, like whoever this prospective buyer was. Most of the text came from like from that phone came from a location or multiple locations in a Tobico. I hope I said that right. I looked it up and I gave myself that little phonetic spelling. The phone was determined though to be a burner phone. This phone was purchased for this. Yeah. This exact reason. And the owner used a fake name when they set the phone up. They used the name Lucas Bate. Even though that was pretty disheartening, the police were able to trace other calls that had been made from that phone.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And they actually found that a call had been made to another man who happened to also be selling his truck just like Tim. Hmm. According to the man who placed the ad, he got a message from somebody interested in the truck, and they arranged to meet with this perspective buyer the day before Tim went missing. The situation was literally almost identical
Starting point is 00:26:33 to Tim Bosma's experience, and the man who was selling his truck was able to confirm that both men matched the descriptions that have been given to the police. Oh damn. So I don't know what happened in that scenario. I don't know if they just didn't have the balls to do what they planned to do or whatever it was.
Starting point is 00:26:51 Yeah. But the man even added onto it, saying that the taller men of the two had a tattoo on his wrist that said ambition and was framed by a box. Said ambition. Hilarious. Wow. because the owner of this tattoo had literally no ambition whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Like Dick Hickock. Yeah, it's the clutter family murder. It's we were talking about earlier. Very similar actually, because it ends up being two men. Yeah. That are, and it's like one kind of seems to follow the other, which was similar. Yeah, like a henchman, always a henchman.
Starting point is 00:27:26 But the man who had the tattoo had driven. So this was a huge, huge break. So while Kavanaugh and the Hamilton and homicide unit conducted their official investigation in the open, they were providing the press with regular updates. And while they were doing this, another investigation was taking place online via web sloths.
Starting point is 00:27:47 It got real messy. Web sloths can be a great thing, it can be a fucking terrible thing. Because websites like Web Sloths claim to be friendly toward law enforcement agencies, and sometimes they even have a hand in solving cases and are helping to solve cases. But they can also be a damaging distraction, especially in situations like this one, we're keeping information from the public was essential. Yeah, that's the thing. Every case is so different
Starting point is 00:28:15 and how it needs to be handled. Right, and we don't necessarily need citizen opinions on victims. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened here. Because in the case of Tim's disappearance, journalist and Brocklehurst discovered, quote, an ugly strain of commentary from members who think
Starting point is 00:28:33 they know more than anyone else. And this included a good number of users who just completely rejected the investigators theory that the suspects were only interested in the truck and not Tim. Within days of Tim disappearing, the web sleuths messaging boards were full of users just speculating that Tim and Charlene were as innocent as they were being made out to me. Can you imagine you're dealing with the fact that he's and while this was happening, he
Starting point is 00:28:59 had already died. So I hope those people feel absolutely fucking terrible. Well, that's it. It's like this woman is great. This young mother of a young child is grieving. Right. And missing her husband. And that's what I do.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And that's no idea what's happening in him. And literally, they're just like posting, like, I don't think there is any sense as they make them out to be. And it's like, I don't even care. And then people, I don't. It's like, shut up. Jesus. People were saying Tim had been so willing to accompany
Starting point is 00:29:23 these quote-unquote strangers on a late night test drive. It seems like it couldn't have been strangers in the first place. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. my organization or something nefarious like that. Other news? Like was there a basis? Started actually digging into the couple's history for evidence of any wrongdoing, and they were sharing any and all personal information and photographs of this couple on these message boards. What the fuck? Yeah, that's when like, come on.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Literally, everything anybody said negative about this couple was debunked. But at the end of the day, it sat there and contributed to a rumor mill that completely obscured the public's knowledge of this time. And it did so at the expense of a missing man's reputation as well as his wife. And this time, like we were just saying, it was grueling enough for Tim's family and friends. This was the last thing that they needed to deal with. It's like mind your fucking business.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Well, that's, it's like Jesus. Like, that's the thing with these kind of like areas on the internet. They can, there's like a, there's a little ray of light where you're like, this could be great. Mm-hmm. But we are humans. And we can't handle this shit.
Starting point is 00:30:44 That's the thing. We can't handle this shit. That's the thing. We can't handle gathering anonymously in an online cyber space and being anything but fucking assholes. And it's true. It's, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate.
Starting point is 00:30:57 It's like, yeah, there's little rays of sunlight for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Great things happen online. Great things happen when people get together. But unfortunately, it can only last for so long and it can only happen in certain instances because we as humans suck ass.
Starting point is 00:31:14 And we can't handle it. We can't handle it. It's just the truth, it gets ugly, it gets disgusting, it gets vicious, it gets way out of control. And then it just lives online. Right. And even if it doesn't get to the point where it's ugly and vicious and out of control, it can also just be completely unhelpful
Starting point is 00:31:33 because the investigators, most of the time, know what they're doing. Of course, we've covered cases where they don't necessarily have a good start. Absolutely, we have. We already think that. But we have to have faith that they know what they're doing and we have to let them do that.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Especially in the beginning of a case. It is the most crucial time in any case. That's the thing. So it's like, if we're, you know, these cases, they're years and years out and nothing's moving and everyone's getting frustrated and it seems like there's like dead end, dead, end, dead end. Places like that where people are coming up with new information and giving out tips, that's
Starting point is 00:32:10 when it's great. That's when it can be really great. Of course, there's ugly things there too, but most of the most part, it can be really great. In the beginning stages of an investigation when a case is still wide open, see what the investigators can do. Zip, give them time. And let it happen. Give them time.
Starting point is 00:32:26 And if shit starts, goes for years and nothing's happening, then, you know, sure, pull your pants on and see if you can find something cool. But at this time, no detrimental. That's the thing. There is a difference between being investigated or excuse me, being interested in true crime and completely derailing in
Starting point is 00:32:45 investigation. Yeah. Yeah. Like getting too involved. Exactly. Yeah. And the thing is to those people that actually knew him, not random strangers on the internet, the idea that Tim Bosma ever had anything to do with any kind of criminal element at all
Starting point is 00:33:02 was fucking absurd. Yeah. His friends and family remembered him as literally quote unquote the jokester uncle and the one most likely to pull a prank. He'd been born and raised in Ancaster and he was part of a huge family who loved being together whenever they could.
Starting point is 00:33:17 He became one of the center points of his family, quote unquote always up for a barbecue and a get together at the farm, which was the one that he and Charlene had recently purchased together. Like he was starting to make memories at his house and host his family. He was hardworking, he was honest. He never resembled anything like the suspicious character that he was being made out to be by these members of WebSuits.
Starting point is 00:33:41 And it wouldn't be long before the assertions that he knew the suspects would prove to be completely false. Yeah, of course. So I hope they pooped on those words. I don't want to say I don't want to do those words. Because I don't want to do those words. Yeah, that's so good. So I just hope you pooped. I hope you pooped.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I hope you pooped a lot. I hope you pooped a lot. You have to keep poops. There you go. So on Saturday, day 11th, another press briefing was called at Hamilton Police headquarters. This time, to announce that an arrest had finally been made and the disappearance of Tim Bosman.
Starting point is 00:34:11 I don't even know why I said finally because it didn't really take that long. On the previous day, Hamilton investigators had received tips from sources in both peel and Toronto that a man named Delen Millard was a match for the description of one of their suspects right down to the ambition tattoo on his wrist. Nice. You fucking loser. Seriously. If you have that tattoo, you're not a loser. He's a loser because it was tattooed on him, but he had literally none of it. And he's a fucking terrible piece of shit. So on the nose. So there's that. That distinguishes between you. Yeah, exactly. Totally.
Starting point is 00:34:48 And so he had the tattoo, which right away, they're like, fucking awesome. But then to add to that, he also lived near one of the cell towers that was being pinged by the Lucas bait phone on multiple occasions, which made him an even stronger suspect. Look at that. According to Super Intendent Dan Kassella,
Starting point is 00:35:05 I hope I said that right, 27-year-old, 27-year-old Toronto resident, Dellen Millard, was pulled over in Mrs. Saga by Ontario Provincial Police, and, quote, detained without incident on the morning of May 10th. He had since been charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000 for stealing the truck.
Starting point is 00:35:27 While detectives were really excited to announce that they had made an arrest, they were also still quick to remain, excuse me, to remind the press that their main priority was finding to him last night alive. And also, Dylan Millard was just one of the suspects that they were seeking, and the case was still very much ongoing. They were still searching for more evidence that would hopefully lead them to find a second suspect, and they reminded the public to be diligent and all the look out for whoever
Starting point is 00:35:54 the fuck this guy was. Yeah. So the press immediately began assembling kind of a profile of Delan Millard. It seemed kind of strange and unusual that this young guy, who's 27 years old, was involved in what a lot of people were starting to suspect was a homicide investigation. Delan was the only child of Wayne Millard, and he was the heir to Millard heir, which was a charter airline that was started by his grandfather.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Damn. The airline mostly catered to wealthy clients in the greater Toronto area. In 1999, when he was just 14 years old, Delen actually made headlines. He could have had an incredible future. He set a record for being the youngest person to fly a helicopter and fixed wing plane solo in the same day at 14 years old. That's the potential that this kid had
Starting point is 00:36:43 and just fucking through it all away. Awesome. By the time you've reached adult adulthood Millard air didn't operate a charter business anymore Instead they switched their attention to actually building airplane hangers and flight technology. Wow When Delan's grandfather Carl died in 2006 his father Wayne took over Millard Air until he actually died six years later in 2012. Oh wow. And the wake of his father's death, Del took over Millard Air and he was actually in the process of major layoffs and cutbacks at the time of his arrest. He was not doing a great job. I was just going to say shocking that he wasn't doing great. Yeah, things were going to go to
Starting point is 00:37:22 shit if he stayed in charge of this place. As a child, he'd been described as percocious and a little spoiled, quote, with a tendency to get himself into trouble. Characteristics that are like not even really cute when you're little, but are way less charming in adulthood. Yeah. Grow up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:40 And by most accounts, he was bougie. He loved showing off his wealth. He loved the attention, he loved being in the spotlight. He was a pretentious mother fucker. He would constantly throw parties at one of the family's hangers, which really was just an excuse to show off expense of cars, helicopters, any marker of wealth he had he wanted to show off.
Starting point is 00:38:00 And according to that journalist Ann Brocklehurst, when Del got engaged to his girlfriend, he arranged for a photo shoot where they posed with classic planes, helicopters, and cars, which was clearly orchestrated to show off how fucking filthy Richie was. Absolutely. It also included, quote, a variety of hairstyles and at least six different outfits.
Starting point is 00:38:21 What the fuck? I wore two different outfits in my engagement shoots and I thought that was extra. Wow. Yeah. Unfortunately, it turned out that the fantasy portrayed this photo shoot after they had just gotten engaged was just that of fantasy. I can see that coming. Not long after Del proposed to her, Jennifer found out that he'd been cheating on her with an 18-year-old named Christina.
Starting point is 00:38:58 Oh my god. For some reason, I was going to say Khorrisa, even though it very much has Christina. Yeah, awesome. So Jennifer broke off the engagement and moved out of the house that they shared in Oakville. For some reason I was gonna say Khorissa even though it very much has Christina. Awesome. So Jennifer broke off the engagement and moved out of the house that they shared in Oakville. Yeah, I get the fuck out of there Jennifer. Yeah, she was like, I'm out of here. Oakville is another suburb just outside of Toronto. Oh, I knew that.
Starting point is 00:39:16 I was gonna say four and then I said, so. For, for so. So four, most of his early 20s, Dell really just like floated through life. He never committed to any of the projects, any of the careers he'd chosen. He had made like pretty cool attempt, like pretty, he had made attempts at getting pretty cool jobs, but just never followed through. Yeah. He had made attempts at 3D game design, culinary school, special effects makeup artistry and photography,
Starting point is 00:39:46 which are all things that I'm like, how can you not get into that? Yeah. How can you not just like pick one of those and just devour it? Yeah. You have end, and with the, you have the privilege to have all of that in your fingertips.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Of being able to choose whatever you wanna do, even your passion. Yeah. Something that you really care about. You wanna be a painter, go be a painter. Right. Like do whatever you want to do, even your passion, something that you really care about. You want to be a painter, go be a painter. Right. Like do whatever you want. You want to make fucking vases, go make vases.
Starting point is 00:40:11 You're like, do whatever you want to. Yeah. And that's all such cool shit that would be super fun and so worth investing your time into, but Dell just didn't give a shit. By 2012, he really hadn't achieved much of anything other than spending his dad's money failing to finish whatever he started. That's pretty much it. Ambition. But I'm getting a tattoo. Oh, yeah. He was like, I really have a lot of ambition. I'm just like working it out. I just have to find it. But still, his father Wayne continued to support his son. He really had a lot of faith in him and it's absolutely heartbreaking. Wayne hoped that Dell would eventually start taking over his role at Miller Dare and
Starting point is 00:40:49 like, take over. Yeah. You know, he's getting older and he wants to leave this business to his son. He wants to know that the business isn't good, huh? Yeah, exactly. Every time somebody would take steps to facilitate a more stable or professional circuit circumstance for Dell. He would just pretty much undo whatever they had done,
Starting point is 00:41:08 either through laziness or incompetence, or just completely undermining what anybody had done in the first place. He sounds like a real fucking peach. I just wanna punch him. Like you're such a piece of shit. Yeah. During the attempts to establish a working relationship
Starting point is 00:41:22 with the Waterloo Airport, Dell actually botched the airline certification process so badly on several different occasions. Awesome. He failed to make the necessary adjustments to the hanger. He cut corners and actually caused structural damage to the building, just in an effort to save money that he didn't want to spend. Cool, because he wanted it for himself. And another thing, thwarting his dad's efforts
Starting point is 00:41:46 to transform his son into this like CEO was the fact that Dell seemed completely disinterested in taking the time to even learn the ropes of the industry or put effort into the business at all. By the end of 2012, none of that really seemed important anymore though, because Wayne Millard had died by what the coroner originally believed was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his left eye. They believed that he committed suicide.
Starting point is 00:42:11 Okay. People accepted that for the truth and believed that his decision came from the result of all the stress he was under at work and an increasingly problematic abuse of alcohol. He was really going through it. Yeah. I don't know if it was suicide though. Just gonna say that. Yeah, I don't know about that. So on May 12th, Hamilton Police started searching the home and property of Del's mother Madeline Burns
Starting point is 00:42:35 in Kleinberg, yet another suburb, about 45 minutes outside of Toronto. Lots of Canadian suburbs. Yeah, they really found nothing inside of the home, but they did impound a large trailer that was parked on the street in front of Canadian suburbs. Yeah. They really found nothing inside of the home, but they did impound a large trailer that was parked on the street in front of the house and you want to guess what was inside that trailer? What was inside? Tim's pickup truck. Are you fucking kidding me? Nope. Right there. Just sitting right in a large trailer parked in front of the home. Yep, wow.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Initially, they had taken the truck to a local garage to hold it there until other arrangements could be made, but the staff at the garage where it was being kept was taking pictures in front of it. So the police had to move it to a separate facility. Are you kidding me right now? No, no. If you are one of those people, go fuck yourself.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Go fuck yourself. Like what is wrong with you? The shame. How do you want, like, cause obviously you're taking a picture because you know that that's Tim Bosma's truck. You know that the story's circulating around Canada. Oh, shit. So you sat there and you watched his wife
Starting point is 00:43:38 plead for these people to bring her husband home, the father of her child home, and you said, yeah, let me take a picture in front of that pickup truck. You're supposed to be Canadian. Exactly. Okay. You are not Canadian. You're supposed to be better than this.
Starting point is 00:43:52 You are. Shame. Yeah. Shame. That's awful. The game of Thrones. Yeah, you should do that, Bob. We should do that to you. Yeah. Ring some bells around you.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Throw some boot at you. Give you a stupid hair cut. Shame. Shame. That's terrible. It's awful. I just can't. Yeah, ring some bells around you, throw some boot at you, give you a stupid hair shake. Shame. That's terrible. It's awful. I just can't. I just can't imagine doing that during an active investigation.
Starting point is 00:44:11 She's the worst. But let alone men. But especially, they don't even know where he is. Like Jesus Christ, actually. Exactly. And you don't even know what happened in that truck. No. Get the fuck away from that truck.
Starting point is 00:44:23 So while investigators searched uh Dell's mother's property in Kleinberg, a second team was start uh was searching his farm, which was in rural North Dumfries township, which is a small community, about 40 minutes from the Bosma house and andcaster. So as they were searching this property, they actually were approached by a neighbor. He came on over and informed them that on several occasions he had seen, and this is a quote, a big redneck smoker in the woods and an excavator in the swamp on Miller's property. So he actually led them to this wooded area behind the house and down an overgrown farmer's road, and there
Starting point is 00:45:02 it was. The neighbor had described it as a smoker, but what they actually found was a mobile incinerator actually intended for the use of cremating animals. Oh, God. On this guy's property, the investigators approached the incinerator cautiously, fully expecting to find a body inside, but they were surprised to find the inside was empty aside from ash. So since they found nothing at the site of the incinerator, detectives asked the neighbor to take them to the site of the excavator. On the way to go see the excavator, which was in a swamp, they stopped in their tracks in the middle of a cornfield on the way because they discovered two large burn patches that looked as though they'd recently been cleaned up.
Starting point is 00:45:45 They could still smell some sort of accelerant in the area. This is just gonna stay. When they arrived at the swampy area behind the house, it was exactly as the neighbor had described it. There was a bobcat and a partially buried excavator that also appeared to have been recently used. This is not looking great. Nope.
Starting point is 00:46:06 So when Kavanaugh directed the forensic's team to the incinerator in the woods, they ended up taking a closer look inside and they did discover small pieces of bone in the main chamber of this incinerator and also in a smaller chamber below. The bone fragments were photographed and the images were immediately sent to Tracy Rogers
Starting point is 00:46:24 who was a forensic anthropologist at the University of Toronto. From what she could see in the photos, she felt very strongly that these bones were likely human, but she didn't want to say that without examining them in person. So the next day, she arrived at the farm and she actually had a group of forensic anthropology students with her and everybody examined the incinerator and the surrounding area. In addition to the bone fragments in the incinerator, they also found on the property what appeared to be three partially burned seatbelts and other random debris. And after a thorough search of the property, she and her team were only able to recover 58 of the 208 bones that make up the human body. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:47:09 That's all that was left. The rest had been reduced to ash, obviously, due to the extreme heat. Yeah. That's what that's for. That's a very strong. So although no conclusive DNA match was able to be made because, I mean, how could they?
Starting point is 00:47:23 Yeah. At this point, no identifying features had survived the fire either, but she was able to narrow down the sex and age of the victim to the point where she was reasonably confident and saying that these bones were likely a match for Tim Bossman. Oh, God. Absolutely. Absolutely awful. That's even worse that they can't even like you don't have anything. No. That's even worse that they can't even, like you don't have anything.
Starting point is 00:47:46 No. Like that's horrible. Because this 27 year old asshole who had literally everything, he had the world at his fingertips, just wanted a thrill. Jump out of a fucking plane if you want a thrill. And honestly, to this guy, jump out of a fucking plane and suck your parachute. Without your parachute.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Yeah, that'll be a thrill for everybody. Go ahead. Do it. You want to see what it's like to experience death? Go do it. You asshole. This is awful. So later that afternoon, Hamilton Police called to press conference to announce their
Starting point is 00:48:18 discovery. Chief Glendiclair told reporters, quote, it's with a heavy heart that the Hamilton Police Service announces the death of an encaster resident Tim Bosma. A number of searches have taken place and human remains have been located. We are convinced by the totality of the evidence that these are the remains of Tim Bosma. The evidence indicates that the remains have been burned.
Starting point is 00:48:39 So immediately they were bombed with questions from the press, including some who were probably still operating off of the rumors from web sleuths, wanted to know if Bosma had a criminal record or if he had been known to the police at all. So, like, can we take a minute? Like, you're essentially suggesting
Starting point is 00:48:55 that his death was the result of his own behavior, rather than the random fucking act that it was. And we just announced this. Can you cool it for us? I can. For us, I can. It's ridiculous. Both declare and lead investor fucking act that it was. And we just announced this. Can you cool it for us? Take a second. It's ridiculous. Both declare and lead investor, lead investigator, excuse me, Kavanaugh firmly and unequivocally stated that Tim Basma had been targeted by these killers and he had absolutely no connection to them or any other criminals. And with that, go fuck yourself.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Yeah, stop asking. My God, it's so annoying. There's no evidence to it, so stop. That's literally a blog on the internet. I'm sorry, but when we really break it down, that's what that is. It's what everything is on the internet. Exactly. So now that the search for Tim Bosma
Starting point is 00:49:36 had come to a conclusion, the investigators were able to shift their focus to investigating the homicide. And as they did this, Del Miller, in true dickhole fashion, was refusing to cooperate with police. He literally would not talk. Cool. His lawyers told the press, he's facing pretty serious charges, and he's executing his right to remain silent. Cool. Yeah, that's because we found an inciterator on his property.
Starting point is 00:50:00 I don't know what you would really have to say about that. Yeah. What could you say? An Ancaster, Charlene made a statement to the press regarding the discovery of Tim's remains saying, yesterday was the most horrifying day of my life. People tell me I've been so strong and all I know is that I have a beautiful two-year-old girl at home who now needs her mommy more than ever. Oh my God. But I am broken because a part of me is gone. I can't even fathom.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Like, I can't even fathom. No. I don't know. I don't know how you could look at that man's face on TV or like how you could get those memories on your head. I would feel that's the thing. I mean, I good for her because she knows that she has a two-year-old that like she just said, needs her more than ever now, but like, she is a strong woman. Absolutely. To carry on. To put that that way and say, well, I have to be a mom.
Starting point is 00:50:53 So like, she had no choice. Like Jesus. It's just awful. So in addition to the evidence collected at the various addresses that were searched after Miller's arrest, detectives also started looking into his associates, and they discovered 25-year-old Mark Smitch, who matched Charlene Bosma's description of the man that had accompanied her husband, Tim,
Starting point is 00:51:15 and Del Miller on the test drive. So on the evening of May 13th, lead investigator, Kavanaugh, instructed the officers to surveil Smitch. And by May 22nd, he felt like they had enough information to warrant and arrest. And both Smitch and his girlfriend, Marlena, were arrested while they were out just taking a walk. Yeah, just taking a walk after what he's done. As he was being taken away in cups, Mark Smitch repeatedly shouted to his girlfriend, don't tell them anything, babe. Don't tell them anything, babe.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Are you fucking kidding me? Because that makes you look fucking innocent. I feel like, wow, you probably didn't do anything. Gee, babe. Don't tell them anything, babe. Don't tell them anything, babe. I would be so fucking embarrassed to be his girlfriend. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:52:00 But apparently she must have known something. Yeah, exactly. You're an asshole. You should be embarrassed. So the arrest of Mark caught the press and public by surprise, because as far as they knew, police had made no mention of having identified a second. Yeah, that's true, which is why you should let the police do their work. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:52:17 And Brockelhurst, my girl, that journalist, point out the unexpected arrest of smitch, quote, was a reminder to both the mainstream media and social media detectives that no matter how public and investigation is, the police almost always have much more information than even the most dedicated reporters and true crime fanatics. That is very true.
Starting point is 00:52:39 You know, we've all learned this again and again. Again and again. So Mark Smitch had actually been known to police for some time. He had a record of petty crime. He also matched the description of the second suspect. He also owned a blue SUV that matched the description of a second vehicle scene following Tim Bosmer's truck and Branford on the night of his disappearance.
Starting point is 00:52:58 So smoking gun. Yeah. From the moment he was arrested, people were like insatiably curious about Mark Smitch. Among other things, he seemed like a really unlikely companion for Del Miller. The two of them just did not seem to go together at all. They'd grown up completely differently. While Del was all about being a rich playboy, heir to an airline,
Starting point is 00:53:19 Mark Smitch was just a regular middle-class guy with a pretty unremarkable life. He'd been born in Mississauga and lived there for several years with his mother and his two sisters until the family actually had to relocate to Oakville because of Mark, and this was when he was in middle school. He was pretty much the reason that his entire family had to uproot their lives
Starting point is 00:53:39 and move in the first place because this entire move was basically in the hopes of quote quote, sorting mark out. Oh, he had a lot of issues. Unfortunately for his family, though, his behavior continued on a downward spiral when he entered high school. The move really didn't do much.
Starting point is 00:53:56 He was getting into trouble on a regular basis and he actually ended up dropping out of high school his sophomore year. Okay. Couldn't keep it together. After that, he kind of just drifted from like one job to another, not really great jobs, just he didn't have a lot of,
Starting point is 00:54:11 it's actually what he's gonna say. Exactly like the case we just did with you. He was very much like the clutter family murders with Dick Hickock and Perry Smith. Yeah, just traveling from one menial job to the next. Yeah. And he was starting to build a reputation for himself with local law
Starting point is 00:54:25 enforcement as a petty criminal and a straight up nuisance. I'm so sick of dealing with this. He was usually unemployed and by his early 20s, he had become a small time drug dealer who quote, when he had no supply was reduced to selling single cigarettes to students at the local high school who found him to be creepy. Wow. So like when he couldn't get his hands on more drugs to sell, he would buy a pack of cigarettes and sell one square to high school students. Who found him creepy? Who found him creepy? Wow. That's a... That's sad. That's a choice. That's wild. Yeah. That's an appropriate and very inappropriate. That is a lot to grow. It's gross. It's gross. Can you imagine you're just like outside a high school just like, no, I don't want to imagine that. Two dollars. I will not
Starting point is 00:55:20 stick around. I will not imagine that. What? No. What? No, thank you. So Mark and Delmet in 2008, when Mark was doing some temporary work at a friend's auto garage, this garage was one of many that Del loved to hang out around. He just, you know, with all his free time, he just hung out at Garages. He just loved to garage. Just loves because he's buying cars, even though it's like just for the hell of it. Exactly. Yeah. Do you want everything for the hell of it. Exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:46 Do you want everything for the hell of it, apparently? Like, he didn't, all he had, oh, I'm just so angry at this guy. I know, I hate this guy. For the first few years that they knew of each other, their relationship was really nothing more than the occasional drug deal. I think actually Mark became Del's dealer, but then he really wasn't a reliable dealer because he would run out a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:04 But by 2010 or 2011, they actually started hanging out and chatting with each other on a regular basis. They'd play video games together and get high. Real winners. Cool. Ambition, right? I was just going to say, ambition. Yeah, it's all about the ambition, baby.
Starting point is 00:56:16 It was around 2011 that Dell and Mark's friends started what Dell referred to as missions. These missions were literally just spur of the moment theft of random items and including, I should call today. Corvette rims, trees, they're just steel trees. Steel and trees. And also they once stole a concrete floor polisher from a restaurant. Just cause they could. Just cause they could. Cause they had polisher from a restaurant. Okay. Just because they could, just because they could, because they had
Starting point is 00:56:47 literally nothing better to do. Ambition. Stealing to ambition. There you go. Eventually these missions, which is what Del called them, evolved from these like impulsive acts to actually more planned out thefts and acts of vandalism, which were all orchestrated by one Del millard. He would literally pay his friends to help him commit these crimes. and acts of vandalism, which were all orchestrated by one Del Millard.
Starting point is 00:57:05 He would literally pay his friends to help him commit these crimes. He's so fucking pathetic. If you have to pay people to hang out with you, you're pathetic. You're fucking pathetic. And those are not your friends. No, you're a loser.
Starting point is 00:57:18 Get a life. In May of 2013, Mark was living between Del's house in Oakville and his own girlfriend's apartment. He was kind of just like couch surfing. Yeah. One day in early May, Del told the friend group that he wanted to steal a truck and he'd been scoping out some classified websites
Starting point is 00:57:35 and he'd even made some calls to arrange test drives. Can you imagine just being like, you know what, I've really been looking to steal someone else's property. I don't, it's just, I've really been looking to steal someone else's property. I don't, it's just, I've really been looking to do this. I'm the heir to an heirloin. I have some amounts of money. I have money to last me the rest of my life,
Starting point is 00:57:56 but I want to steal a truck. Yeah, just, you know, I've been looking to steal someone else's shit. What? You are such a loser. Such a loser. In every way, ambition. Ambition. Most of the guys in the group were very uninterested
Starting point is 00:58:11 in going along with this specific plan. They were like, listen, I'll steal a floor polisher from a restaurant any day of the week, but not a truck, but not this. Grand Theft Auto is a little bit different, so I do see that. Yeah. But Mark had developed this weird sense of loyalty when it came to Dell, and he agreed to accompany
Starting point is 00:58:29 his friend on this particular mission. Even calling this a mission makes me feel like a dumbass, truly. By the time the two were ready to put their plan to action, Dell had been planning this for months. So on May 4th, they test drove a truck in Toronto and they were, this was Igor Tomaniko, I hope I said that right, his truck. He had been the man that police contacted when they found the cell data from Del Millard's burner phone. And it was him who had filed an agreed statement of facts with the Hamilton police, officially identifying Mark Smitch as
Starting point is 00:59:03 the passenger who had accompanied Del Millard on the test drive of his truck. Ooh. Igor is a real one. Igor! On May 24, 2013, Del Millard and Mark Smitch made their first appearance in court, where they were being arranged for the first degree murder of Tim Bosma. And just as they were in their daily lives, the two were a very stark contrast
Starting point is 00:59:25 from one another in the courtroom. Del was well dressed, obviously he had the money to be. He came off as confident. He spoke loudly, quote, clearly and forcefully when responding to the judge made eye contact when he pleaded not guilty to all of the charges. Mark smith on the other hand appeared gaunt. He showed up to the court wearing a t-shirt, jeans, and sneakers. Cool. He was also sporting a black eye. Oh, he had a cut open on his cheek. And he seemed literally incapable of even speaking loud enough for the judge to hear his not guilty plea. Awesome. Yeah. Both men were held without bail. Mark Smitch at the Niagara Regional
Starting point is 01:00:06 Detention Center and Del Miller at the Hamilton Wentworth Detention Center. So the discovery that Del, a wealthy and supposedly successful, I don't really know what that, the discovery that he orchestrated the murder of Tim Bosma was a complete shock to the public, but not really a shock to investigators who were starting to notice a little bit of a pattern of tragedy in Del's life. Uh-oh. Six months before Tim Bosmo went missing, Del's father, Wayne Millard, supposedly took his own life in late November.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Everybody at Millard Air was told that Wayne had died of a brain aneurism, actually, when in fact he had shot himself in the head or supposedly had. The corner ruled the death as suicide, and Wayne's remains were cremated at the request of his family. Oh, hmm. Wayne Millard's death wasn't exactly suspicious. He was the CEO of a major company.
Starting point is 01:01:01 He was under a large deal of stress. Of course it's plausible and fully within the realm of possibility. But at the same time, this wasn't the first unusual tragedy that Dell had experienced. Six months before his father's death, it seems to be that he loves a six-month increment. His former girlfriend, 23-year-old Laura Babcock, went missing in Toronto. Oh, mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Like Wayne Millard's death, Laura Babcock's disappearance received really little attention from the police, or even the press at all, when it happened in late June of 2012. Laura came from a stable middle-class family. She was really well-liked by her friends, her co-workers. And just one year before she was killed, she had graduated with a degree in English and drama from the University of Toronto. She had everything going for her. Oh man.
Starting point is 01:01:49 One year after graduation, things had taken a downward turn for Laura. I don't know if she got caught up in the wrong crowd or what happened, but she had a quote-unquote mental health crisis and she started mixing recreational drugs with her psychiatric medication, which is never a good idea. It was only exacerbating her symptoms
Starting point is 01:02:08 to the point where her parents unfortunately had to ask her to leave their home and find somewhere else to go. Because of the circumstances, the Toronto police just assumed that when she was reported missing, that she'd simply run away or wandered off somewhere and she'd eventually turn up. You know, little tension. In both cases, police accepted the obvious, and in my opinion, the most convenient explanations. Yeah. But others weren't so quick to rule out a way more sinister explanation. At Miller Day are those who had been close to Wayne Millard in the weeks before his death,
Starting point is 01:02:40 remembered him as being very happy, very excited about new business ventures, and they said that he was eager to build the company back up so that he could leave his son with a successful business to operate. That breaks my heart. To those people, the death of somebody so future-oriented came as a shock, which that can happen. I was gonna say it can absolutely happen.
Starting point is 01:03:00 But in this case, they just had a gut feeling that something was off. Well, there's a lot more at play here. Mm- here. And at the same time, while it's true that Laura Babcock was struggling emotionally at the time of her disappearance, her ex-boyfriend, Sean Learner, had a reason to believe that she didn't just run away. Shortly after she disappeared, he was very concerned. And he actually managed to get a hold of her cell phone bill. And her cell phone bill showed that she had exchanged a series of calls and texts with Del Millard in the days before she had disappeared.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Oh, meaning he was the last person to have any communication with her. So learner, her ex took this information and took the bill to the Toronto police, but they brushed him off and, quote unquote, accused him of playing CSI. Like no, like he's actually bringing an actual piece of evidence to you. He had, he literally has the information of the last person she spoke with at least on the phone. Like that's pertinent at the very least
Starting point is 01:04:00 and he's not posting it on the internet. No, he's bringing it right to the station. He's doing everything you're supposed to do. Yeah, like Jesus, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. It's fairly true. That's not cool. And then to add insult to injury,
Starting point is 01:04:13 they informed him that because he wasn't family, he didn't have the right to file a missing person's report. No, what? Like, okay. I didn't realize that that would happen. So when he realized he wasn't gonna get anywhere with police, he took things into his own hands and actually went to confront Del Miller himself. Ooh, that's dangerous.
Starting point is 01:04:30 And late July of 2012. Del told him, yeah, I've been talking to Laura, but I don't know where she is, and I haven't seen her or heard from her since I spoke to her last. And Lauren really couldn't do much. I don't believe him. No. So now, in the wake of both arrests for the murder of Tim Bosma, investigators in Toronto, with assistance from Kavanaugh's team in Hamilton and the OPP, began to dig deeper into Del's
Starting point is 01:04:54 relationships with his father and Laura Babcock. At first, family and friends believed that Wayne was depressed and that his work stress led him to commit the suicide. The day after he died, Del Miller told the press that his father, quote, carried some great sadness with him throughout life that I never knew. He never wanted to share that with me. But whatever sympathy he showed at the time appeared to have been an act. When investigators interviewed employees at Miller DareDare, they found out that Dell regularly and continuously run around talking shit about his father. Cool. He said his father was a failure. He said his father was intent on squandering his fortune
Starting point is 01:05:34 by trying to build an empire to leave his son. Wow. But no interest in running this company. Wow. Basically saying, my dad put everything he could into this company for me, and I don't even want it. What a fucking idiot. That's annoying. Your whole life has been set up for you.
Starting point is 01:05:50 You are the idiot here. Yeah. I hate this guy. Seriously. On the night of Wayne Miller's death, Dell told the authorities that he had been at Mark's house. And given that police had already accepted suicide as the cause of death, nobody doubted his
Starting point is 01:06:05 alibi or checked into it. Oh, no. However, when the new detectives who were now investigating him attempted to confirm this alibi in June of 2013, cell phone records showed that yes, he had been at Mark's house that night. But he had traveled to his father's house in the early morning hours. Ooh. And interviews with his friends and acquaintances gave them even more to go off of.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Detectives learned that in the weeks before his father's death, Dell illegally purchased a 32 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver from his friend Matthew. That was the exact caliber and exact model used in the quote unquote suicide. Oh, come on. Their suspicions of Del's involvement were confirmed, but they still went above and beyond and tested the gun used in the shooting and discovered that Del Miller's DNA was on the handle. Are you fucking kidding me? He killed his father. Holy shit. He shot his own father in the head. My God. Uh-huh. So police believed that he murdered his father, quote, to protect his inheritance, which was being used to fund a new aviation business. Oh, shit. And to keep him from having to inherit said business.
Starting point is 01:07:18 Oh, my God. He killed his father because he didn't want to inherit the family business. He killed his father because he's a lazy fuck who has ambition tattooed on his arm. Correct. Wow. In the case of Laura Babcock, investigators learned that she and several of her other female friends had been engaging in escort services
Starting point is 01:07:38 through an online escort site, including Dell Miller's then-girlfriend Christina. Dell and Laura had briefly dated in 2008 and they remained friends after the breakup. So in the spring of 2012, after Laura had been kicked out of her parents' house, she was actually temporarily staying with Dell and Christina. But tensions arose when she began spending
Starting point is 01:07:59 a lone time with Dell and that time eventually led to a sexual relationship with each other. Oh, not surprisingly, Christina was fucking pissed and demanded that Dell end the relationship and cut off all contact with Laura. Dell agreed and told Christina what he planned to do to Laura, saying, first I'm going to hurt her, then I'll make her leave. I will remove her from our lives.
Starting point is 01:08:24 Holy shit. Yep. Investigators made three separate searches of the farm where they'd previously discovered Tim Bosma's remains. They did more than thorough search of this property each time, but unfortunately they found no evidence of Laura's remains. But when you know what he did with Tim, exactly, and with his own father. So instead
Starting point is 01:08:46 they relied on interview testimony, cell phone data, text messages, and circumstantial evidence to build their case because they were not willing to let this go. And they theorized that Dell and Mark had spent months planning how to get rid of Laura Babcock, excuse me. And on July 3rd or 4th, investigators believe they killed her. Wrapped her body in a blue tarp and loaded it into Wayne Millard's mini van. Jesus Christ. And drove it to the farm where they disposed of her remains in the commercial incinerator that Dell had purchased on July 5th. That is so fucked up.
Starting point is 01:09:18 Even though they didn't find Laura's physical remains, they did find a photo that Dell sent to Mark on July 4th in which he's seen, at the miller air hanger, standing beside a quote, human-sized bundle wrapped in a blue tarp. Are you kidding me? Nope. What the fuck? And he literally purchased the incinerator for her. My God. So their trials began in February of 2016, and each man pledged not guilty to the charge of murdering Tim Bosma. Almost three years had passed since they'd been arrested.
Starting point is 01:09:56 And in that time, investigators had collected a huge amount of damning evidence of guilt, including the remains found in the incinerator, the truck which was found at Del's mother's house, and a significant number of texts and other communications that pointed toward there being responsible for Laura's death. But of course, both of their lawyers did the thing
Starting point is 01:10:20 where they pinned the bulk of the responsibility on the other person. Of course. I think it's sometimes referred to as the cutthroat defense. They wanted to gain the jury sympathies and receive a lesser sentence for their client by pinning the entire thing on the other client. So Mark's lawyers were pointing the finger at Dell's lawyer,
Starting point is 01:10:37 or at Dell, excuse me, and Dell's lawyers were doing the same tomorrow. Yeah, of course. While the authorities had spent the previous year chasing down every single lead in the case, Dell and his defense team had been not so subtly pleading their case through the media. Press interviews, statements, jailhouse interviews, he did several while in jail, and made every attempt he could to minimize the spoiled rich kid image that was being so focused on.
Starting point is 01:11:04 Yeah. But it's really hard to do that when you are just a spoiled rich kid. Yeah, definitely. He told a reporter from the London Community News, quote, I shop at Costco. I don't buy expensive clothes. I'm a bargain hunter. I have one Hugo Boss suit. How humble.
Starting point is 01:11:21 Everyone loves Costco. I'll go you moron. Everyone bow down to the humble king. Like, I only have one Hugo Boss suit. I shop at Costco. I'm a bargain hunter. Okay. You're still a fucking cold blood and murder or asshole
Starting point is 01:11:36 and you'll never enjoy a Costco free sample again. So how do you like those apples? So fuck you. How do you like those cut up corn dogs? Wow. According to Dell, any evidence of his leading a lavish lifestyle was actually him just trying to live up to the image that people expected of him. People expected so much of him, Alina, and he just had to live up to that.
Starting point is 01:11:57 And he said if he was guilty of anything, it was for picking up strays like Mark Smitch, the quote, petty criminal who dragged him into this tragedy. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. You're equally responsible. Good try. Good try.
Starting point is 01:12:11 Mark's defense team, like I just said, was equally ready and placed all the blame on Dell. They claimed that he was the quote master manipulator, which I believe, and the quote psychopathic rich friend, which I also believe. Yeah, I was gonna say. And they said he had enticed Mark Smitch with empty promises and then ultimately took him, quote,
Starting point is 01:12:28 on a test drive he never could have imagined. I do think that Dell was the master manipulator and I do think he was the psychotic rich friend. But I also know that Mark Smitch was an adult who was capable of making his own decisions and made the wrong fucking choice. Exactly. The press could not resist the sensational story
Starting point is 01:12:48 of this Playboy air-turned-murderer and Mark Smitch's narrative of a petty criminal turned accomplice in a homicide. It was more so that they were interested in Del's story and a little bit less in Mark's story because Del's story sold papers. Yeah. Mark's Smitch's story, nobody really cared a lot about it. Mark is a penny criminal, so it just kind of floats away.
Starting point is 01:13:11 But Del is supposed to be this air of this huge corporation that's like an airline, a certain time. Yeah, it's wild. So in one interview after another, Del had no trouble demonstrating his intelligence and a sharpness when it came to speaking. This did make him a potential asset to his own case, unfortunately, especially if he was put on the witness stand. And while Mark Smitch couldn't compare to him in terms of public speaking or self-confidence, he'd actually undergone a pretty considerable physical transformation during his three years in jail.
Starting point is 01:13:45 And his defense team, I think they did this strategically and they were hoping that it would work in his favor. He wasn't the scrawny, poorly dressed meek drug dealer who had basically muttered his plea during the arrangement. Now Mark had grown out his hair to a more conventional style. He'd put on weight and muscle in the years since his first court appearance. He'd put on weight and muscle in the years since his first chord appearance. He appeared more respectable
Starting point is 01:14:08 and his lawyers hoped more sympathetic and believable. I think this was all like a casey Anthony. Yeah, I'm trying to make her look like a sweet, so-and-mama. They button her all up, they brushed her hair back. Yeah, she was looking so believable. Yeah. Unfortunately that worked.
Starting point is 01:14:25 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Smitch's defense lawyer, Thomas Dunkey, I believe, saw you say it. He worked really hard to establish his client as the unwilling pawn and Dell's psychotic plan. He aggressively questioned Dell's friends and associates to the point where the judge,
Starting point is 01:14:55 Justice Goodman, interrupted to say, I think Mr. Dungy, we can lower the tenor with respect to the witnesses. Wow. But this was all part of his strategy to demonstrate that whether it was through his own wealth or his charm, Dellen Millard had a way of dominating people and convincing them to engage in behaviors or activities that they might not otherwise. Yeah. It was a tactic. And his tactic proved to be successful and it really spoke to Dellen Millard's character. And then to speak even further to that character, several law enforcement officers were called to testify. Pretty much all of them said that Dell was a narcissist who used his money and influence to get whatever he wanted. Oh, we can all see that. Yeah. Well,
Starting point is 01:15:34 at the same time, Dell Miller's defense lawyer, Raven Palais, had petitioned the court to exclude a considerable amount of evidence that they said would bias the jury against the client, and he was unfortunately successful in doing so. The evidence included a large number of communications between Dell and different friends that implicated him in drug use, which is like, we all know he did drugs. He's a wild rich kid. And just pretty much other things like that. Pelle the defense attorney pretty much ignored the claims that his client was a psychotic narcissist and instead argued that it made no sense for Dell
Starting point is 01:16:09 to develop an elaborate plan to steal a truck. He could have just gone out and bought one. And he also argued that it was Mark Smith who needed money and he intended to steal and sell the truck but he said something unplanned happened and went wrong and Mark Smith produced the gun that killed Tim Osma. He said it was all Mark. Yeah, look at that. He also suggested the large amount of evidence collected by investigators from bone fragments, browser history, the truck at Del's mother's property
Starting point is 01:16:38 was actually evidence of Del's innocence. After all, he said, wouldn't somebody who committed murder try to cover up their involvement rather than leave it out in the open where anybody could find it? That's a bold move. Let's see if it works out for him. What? That's a bold move.
Starting point is 01:17:00 Why? If I was on the jury, I would just literally sit there and like raise my hand and just say, what? Like, you can't be serious, my guy. He was. You can't be serious, my guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:13 I'm astounded. He was so serious. After four months of... Four months of testimony. Closing arguments began on May 31, 2016. Each layer took nearly an entire day to make their final case to the jury, which I always, I'm like, don't do that to the jury. I'm always just astounded by that. I'm like, how do you talk for that one? An entire day? I feel like you're at that point
Starting point is 01:17:35 going on like too long. But you know, I'm like, that's amazing to me. I mean, yeah, it's absolutely amazing. That's so the jury deliberated, deliberated, that's always another hard word for me to say. For four days, and they were actually sequestered at this point. So they came from that to deliver their verdict. Both Dylan Miller and Mark Smitch were found guilty of the first degree murder of Tim Bosma. And because the sentence for first degree murder
Starting point is 01:18:02 in Canada is an automatic 25 year prison sentence, both men requested to be sentenced immediately, rather than wait for a hearing, of course. Neither Mark or Del made a statement during the sentencing, and just as good men told both of them, despite their quote, incomprehensible and unimaginable act, Tim Bosma's memory and spirit cannot be taken away. Good. And then he sentenced them both to a quote, automatic mandatory term of life imprisonment,
Starting point is 01:18:28 or at least until 2038. Good. Sadly, the verdict was bittersweet and left so many unanswered questions for so many people involved. The Bosma family was pleased with the verdict, but they felt that the prosecution's theoretical explanation of Tim's final hours did answer a lot of their questions that had been lingering. And they've been struggling at this point for years. And they said, quote, the wait just
Starting point is 01:18:53 went off of our shoulders. The public on the other hand, which like I'm not as concerned about as long as his family's happy, I'm happy. But they were left to question what turned Dell millered and Mark smiths to turn into thrill killers. Yeah. Especially were both of them maintained their innocence. Yeah. Which clearly they were not. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:12 And an incinerator was found on the property. Yeah, exactly. Now, in February of 27, the disastrous duo went on trial again for the murder of Laura Babcock, both represented by their same lawyers that they had been in the Tim Bosma case. Like I said, without a body, it was gonna be tough. But the Crown based their entire case on circumstantial evidence and then also witness testimony,
Starting point is 01:19:36 they also had found Laura's belongings in Del Miller's possession and photo shared between Mark and Del were used in their argument. Oh, okay. The defense argued that for all anybody knew and photo shared between Mark and Del were used in their argument. The defense argued that for all anybody new, Laura Babcock was still alive. And any suggestion of violence haven't been committed against her,
Starting point is 01:19:54 was nothing more than the boasting of adolescent drug users. Wow. Like she could still be alive. My client just said he killed her. Yeah. To boast. Like come on. In the end, the jury thankfully sided with the prosecution
Starting point is 01:20:08 and found both men guilty of the murder of Laura Babcock. Wow. Without a body. Holy shit, that's hard. Yeah, I think the text messages really spoke for themselves. Yeah, the photo. I think the photo spoke for itself, the fact that a lot of her stuff was still in this possession.
Starting point is 01:20:25 I think all of that spoke. Justice Michael Codd, who was the one to preside over the trial, called Del Millerd, quote, profoundly immoral and dangerous. And he said his accomplice quote enthusiastically participated in the murder of their supposed friend. The courtroom literally erupted in sheers when the Justice sent it's both to life and prison. Good. Would the eligibility for parole in 50 years?
Starting point is 01:20:50 Oh my God. In the fall of 2017, Del went on trial again this time alone and for the murder of his father. Oh shit. Wayne Millard. In September of that year, he was convicted of first degree murder. Good. Justice Maureen forced Del, I want to say, presided over the case and handed down Miller's third
Starting point is 01:21:10 consecutive life sentence, meaning any chance at parole was just not gonna happen for at least 75 years. Yes. So he would be like, I don't even know, like seven, three, he'd be like a hundred. It's not happening. Before handing down his sentence, for Forstell addressed the court saying, Dellen Millard has repeatedly committed the most
Starting point is 01:21:31 serious offense known to our law. He has done so with considerable planning and premeditation. And the murder of his father, he took advantage of the vulnerability of his father and betrayed his father's trust in him. Millard's lawyer, yeah, Millard's lawyer called the sentence Unduly harsh. Oh, okay, he killed someone though. And Dell said that it was unreasonable and unconstitutional. Can you explain how, sir? The judge disagreed, thank you.
Starting point is 01:22:00 But in May of 2022, the Supreme Court in Canada overturned the 2011 provision, which allowed justices the power to sentence individuals to consecutive sentences. Come on. I know. Which meant that both Millard and Smitch would actually get the potential opportunity for parole way earlier than anybody expected. That's bullshit. And people were fucking pissed. Yeah. Right fucking piss. Charl people were fucking pissed right fucking pills. Charlene Bosn, my told reporters, quote, our government took away one of the very few things we as victims had to hold on to.
Starting point is 01:22:32 My daughter was two and a half when her father was murdered. Now because of this ruling, when my daughter is 27, she will be asked to carry on the fight. I thought I already fought for her. That's fucked up. That is fucked up. And it is. Smart for her to put it that way. Yeah, her. That's fucked up. That is fucked up. That is fucked up. And it is.
Starting point is 01:22:46 Smart for her to put it that way. Yeah. Absolutely. Because that'll make people really see and think about it. Think twice. Okay. The Toronto police also caught Flak for not diligently investigating Wayne Miller's death or the disappearance of Laura Babcock.
Starting point is 01:22:59 And a lot of people pointed out, Tim Bosma could still be alive if they had actually done due diligence in both of those cases. It's true. But unfortunately, no member of the Toronto police service has ever been held accountable for those failures. Damn. And that is the case of Delmiller and Mark Smitch, two of the world's. Just stains.
Starting point is 01:23:20 I was literally just going to say stains on the world. Like cross out your ambition tattoo. You've to say stains on the world like cross out your ambition tattoo really. Fuck things on the world. How the Tim Bosma. So senseless. Case just destroys me. So senseless. And the thing is none of us will ever know what happened in that truck and why they ended his life because they won't say. And because they're even bigger pieces of shit.
Starting point is 01:23:45 Exactly. The original we thought. To let his wife and his daughter continue living their lives, having no idea what happened to their husband and father. And all your mind is going to do is come up with your own... The worst thing. Exactly. And to leave them in that position makes these two men even more fucking not so affordable
Starting point is 01:24:03 than they already were. And it was like a 42 on the Richter scale. That's horrible. It's so fucking senseless. I hate them. I hate them so much. Truly. This case infuriated me. That's awful.
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