Morbid - Episode 432: Glasgow Ice Cream Wars

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

I SCREAM, YOU SCREAM, WE ALL SCREAM… over this true crime case known as the Glasgow Ice Cream Wars. We aren’t all watching the latest Food Network bake-off, unfortunately, this case has everything from assault to arson. It all happened back in early 80’s Glasgow. The streets were running rampant with Ice Cream Van drivers trying to overtake each other and steal the best route which ultimately led to the murder of almost an entire family.ReferencesFaux, Ronald. 1984. "Murder hunt after three die in house fire." The Times, April 17: 2.Harris, Gillian. 1998. "Ice-cream killers back in jail after year of freedom." The Times, February 11: 3.Mangan, Lucy. 2022. The Ice Cream Wars review – the gang crime that rocked Glasgow. November 23. Accessed January 17, 2023. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/23/the-ice-cream-wars-review-andrew-doyle-killers-1984-arson-attack-glasgow.Newsroom, The. 2004. "Who did kill the Doyles?" The Scotsman, March 21.Press Association. 2004. Glasgow 'ice cream war' conviction overruled. March 17. Accessed Janaury 17, 2023. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/17/ukcrime.Skelton, Douglas, and Lisa Brownlie. 1992. Frightener: The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars. Edinburgh: Mainstream .The Times. 1984. "Former adict tells trial of 'big gun'." The Times, September 5: 3.—. 1984. "Ice Cream trial jury told of gun attack." The Times, September 7: 3.—. 1984. "Life for ice cream killers." The Times, October 11: 3.—. 1984. "Men 'attacked van with axe handles'." The Times, September 06: 3.—. 1984. "Multiple murder trial told of ice cream van attacks and injury to drivers." The Times, September 4: 3.—. 1981. "Three jailed for part in ice cream war." The Times, December 23: 3.Special thank you to David White for research assistance!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We're back and we're better than ever. That's right. And I'm not snarthing and coughing as much as I was. We love back. We're back and we're better than ever. That's right. And I'm not snarfing and coughing as much as I was. We love that. So this is new and ashes back. She was only gone for one, but that's fine. Yeah, did you miss me? Did you miss her? Oh, no, I was asking you. Oh, I did you miss me? Good. But I had Caleb to talk about cryptids with. I know. That's why I asked if you missed me, because it's like hard when you, when you, yeah, like replace me with somebody so wonderful. You know, that's why I asked if you missed me because it's like hard when you, when you, like replace me with somebody so wonderful. You know, he is pretty wonderful.

I love that man. But you know what, you're both wonderful in your own ways. Thank you. You know, but. Thank you so much. I know me and Drew were talking about Caleb last night and he was like, I missed Caleb. I was like, you could probably tell him that and he would just get on a plane or like start driving

truthfully. Yeah, truthfully. I believe that wholeheartedly that Caleb would just jump in some form of transportation and be here with him. I'm on my way. The correct amount of hours that it would take. Honestly. Yeah.

I wouldn't be able to host him right now because my spare bedroom is literally filled to the brim with laundry. And then this weekend, we're all like, oh, we're gonna do that laundry. Like, let's start it. Oh, no, we did. We started too.

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Ooh, I like gunk in the throat, crazy chain smoker laugh. All right, cool. It just like fits for the story. Yeah, I'd be like the throat, crazy chain smoker laugh. All right, cool. It just like fits for the story. Yeah, I'm gonna be like, Paulie from Peaky Blinders. Okay, so it's funny that you just said Peaky Blinders. I have never watched Peaky Blinders, but like, Oh, you should. I've seen, I know I should.

It's hard, because Drew doesn't like a period piece. But you know, he considers anything like, that is not the end of the past of Peaky Blinders. It's so good though. I think succession was a period peace. It was like a couple years ago. Literally. Yeah, no, piggy blinders is so good though.

And it's got Kylian Murphy in it. I know, my BFF Kylian, her boyfriend, are obsessed with him. I know. I know. And he is really good. No matter what he does, you can do the worst shit ever.

And I'm like, I forgive him. It's okay, he's a good man. Well, I'm worried about how you're gonna react to this story then, because there's actually a Tommy in this. Oh. And he's like one of the main culprits. Um, today we're gonna talk about the Glasgow ice cream morse, which is bonkers. Like your ice cream and you're like, oh, like ice cream, you know, love that.

Ice cream ice cream. You scream, we all scream for ice cream. Everybody does. But we're really all screaming over this case because it's fucking bonkers. Ooh. And it's like I said, the ice cream wars, but not like Food Network holiday or like cake wars.

I was gonna say, because this sounds delightful. It does, it sounds like a holiday special on the Food Network. Sure does. It's anything but that, essentially. We're talking arson, we're talking drugs, we're talking guns, we're talking guns, we're talking murder and straight up war.

So not food network-y. Not completely. No, not really. There's a few little, errant differences there. Yeah, you know what? You're right. But it all started with Andrew, quote unquote, fat boy, Doyle. And that was like a term of a deerman.

So I'm not, I'm not calling him that. That's what his family called him. And it was like a loving term. So I'm going to stick with it. It was a nickname term of a deerman. So, I'm not calling him that, that's what his family called him, and it was like a loving term, so I'm gonna stick with it. It was a nickname. It was a nickname. So this is Andrew Fatboy Joyle. He took over the lucrative ice cream van route and Glasgow's Rookazee.

I believe I'm saying that, right? I looked it up and it sounded like that when I heard it to my ear, but then I just realized, I think I'm saying Glasgow. It's Glasgow. Glasgow. Glasgow. Glasgow. Glasgow. Yeah.

God. So much stress for me. I know it's hard. And there's a lot of names in this that I looked up and I like wrote my own fanatic spelling, so I hope I'm doing it right. You are. Just yelling for me. I'm sure.

You will, anyway. I'll yell you. Not the internet. Well, you know, the internet will yell at me. It's fun. Yeah. It's your point. Exactly. Well, anyway, so he took over the lucrative ice cream

of Van Rout in the Rukaze housing estate in the early 1980s. He knew that he was kind of encroaching on the territory of established van drivers who were not going to let their roots go without a fight. Like many ice cream van drivers in the late 70s and 80s, Glasgow, in Glasgow, go. Fuck, it's throwing me off.

Go to Glasgow. There you go. It's throwing me off. Go. To Glasgow. There you go. But like many of those drivers, he knew that there was more money to be made selling illegal goods on van routes than there was in more respectable trades. And he kind of hoped to get in on the action. Yeah. From what I've read, it doesn't necessarily seem like he didn't want to sell like drugs

or anything like that because that's what was happening on these van routes. They were selling toilet paper, cigarettes, beer, wine, and drugs. Contribute. Yeah, contrappin'. It was illegal to sell the toilet paper and stuff like that. You weren't supposed to do that. Yeah.

Very illegal to sell drugs. Very. He wasn't into the whole drug thing of it. He didn't want to do that, but he wanted a root of his own to sell what he wanted to sell. Yeah. So his rivals though, we're not going to let their territory go without a fight. They were very intent on holding down their businesses.

They didn't want to let newcomers in, and they would stop at absolutely fucking nothing to make that clear. They started attacking van drivers. They started attacking customers at certain points. Ooh. Now this war, quote unquote war, would conclude in April 1984. But it didn't end with like somebody waving a white flag

and being like, you know, this is true, Sky. Why don't you have this root? I'll take this root. Yeah. Combaya baby. No, no, no. It literally ended with a fiery blaze and with six members of the Doyle family being brutally,

brutally murdered. Damn. All over an ice cream van. Oh, shit. Yeah. The Glasgow, I did that right. You did it right. Yeah, you got it.

The Glasgow ice cream wars and the murder of the Doyle family really obviously outraged the Scottish public. And they demanded that the authorities do whatever was necessary to bring an end to this whole gang war that kind of started and at this point it was just overrunning the streets. But the police, obviously wanting all this activity to end, they quickly arrested six men for the murders. And as we know, it's like never really good when there's a quick arrest. No. Like sometimes you know you're like oh wow it works out. But like, but.

You never, I never really wanna hear the word like quickly arresting. Yeah. Which sounds crazy. No, cause I know what you mean though, cause it's like whenever you hear that the public was in this outrage and everybody was freaking out and it's like, there was all this pressure.

Yeah. And then what? They just quickly arrested us. They just got this guy. It's like, chunk of suspects that they know did it. It's like, I understand what might be happening here. Yeah. They just put the rest of the guys. They just put the rest of the guys. They just put the rest of the guys. They just put the rest of the guys. They just put the rest of the guys.

They just put the rest of the men, and the extent to which the Strathclyde police and potentially even the entire Scottish legal system were willing to go in order to make that problem go away. So it's kind of one of those things where they were feeling the pressure. It seems like anyway they were feeling the pressure and they needed to put some amount of people in prison. But let's head back to the 70s for the sake of the Stolary. Let's do it. So throughout the 1970s, the Scottish government started clearing out what we're known. It's not a nice thing to say, but what we're known back then is the slums of Glasgow. And they were relocating the residents to newly constructed high-rise housing estates

like the Rukese housing estate. Now, a lot of times the rents were kind of subsidized for low-income families, that whole deal. And for the most part, the housing estates were built and managed by local government agencies trying to solve a problem. But at the same time, they were sort of just adding to it. That makes sense. That's usually what happens. When you dislocate and then relocate people, there's going to be some problems that go along with that. Because many of the poorer residents were,

like I just said, completely dislocated, which added to the desperation and then led to an increase of crime. The new low-income homes were usually located on the outskirts of the city, which meant that there wasn't easy access to resources and even just like essential items, like grocery stores and social services.

Yeah. But especially for those that didn't have a car, and back then not everybody was too long and a brand new wisdom. No, the government at the time couldn't really get together a sustainable solution. I know that's like so crazy to think about. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, so people took it upon themselves because they really had no other option. And this is when informal businesses

and services like the ice cream vans and Glasgow were Kaisis estate came into play. So the ice cream vans were said to have sold everything, quote, from fish to cigarettes. And they were really like, quote, unquote, general stores on wheels. I love that. It's really cool to think about.

It is kind of cool. Because there weren't local markets or even bus lines in these areas. Yeah, so this is just rolling general stores. Exactly. The ice cream vans became lifelines to the residents in these estates if they needed to get stuff. Now at first, the ice cream vans were pretty much how they are here in America like today. They were just vans filled with all kinds of treats, rolling around the little areas in town, playing music, selling said treats. But the summer season in the UK is one, pretty short, and two, pretty unpredictable.

So when it wasn't Chilean rainy, people weren't necessarily looking for ice cream, but they were looking for snacks and daily use items, and from time to time some drugs. Yeah, I just didn't. You know, think Uber Eats or DoorDash before it's time, but with less big business ties. There you go. The people driving, these vans weren't going through background checks. They weren't having to like provide a license. No, of course not really.

You could pretty much just get a van, get into it, and start a little business. So a little bit. It was like a startup, yeah. After you got your van, you'd have to set up some kind of, um, like buying some kind of stock from a local distributor or a dealer, if that was part of your business model. Oh. And you were ready to go. But for those that couldn't afford to buy a van outright,

they could actually lease a van either weekly or monthly. Oh, okay. There was like organizations where you could go to. This was far less, excuse me, far more common, because as I made it clear, these areas were not like flushed with cash. Sorry, John Ralfia. Don't want to take your flow. Sorry. But in this model, the leasing firm was responsible for the maintenance of the van, getting it insured, and any other fees that were associated with operating it. And the driver had to cover the cost of gas and the stock of

his or her products. Because back then, like women were driving these vans too. Yeah. Now, the trade-off with this way of doing it was that the driver was paid about 50 or 60 pounds a week and the rest of the profits went to the leasing company. So that's how they made their money. Yeah. It didn't bring in as much money for the drivers

as it did for drivers who could buy their own van, but it was more affordable and there was still a profit to be made for drivers who could buy their own van, but it was more affordable, and there was still a profit to be made for drivers that could find and keep a good route. But that was kind of the crux of the issue finding. The route was one thing that was like lucky in and of itself, but then keeping the route was even more intense. This is when the territory stuff probably comes into play.

Yeah, exactly. Now because unemployment rates were really, really high right after the end of World War II, and there wasn't as much opportunity for formal employment, the competition for Van Roots began instantly. According to Douglas Skeleton, who co-authored the book, Frightners, with a fellow journalist Lisa Brown-Lye, I believe is I say it. Back in those days, quote, the dirty tricks had been limited to school-ish acts like squirting windscreens with the raspberry liquid used to flavor the vanilla ice cream and double stopping. Now double stopping was one one driver,

followed a rival driver to their route and cut ahead of them to steal their business. Wow. So it was pretty. This is like, that's like little kidship. It was pretty innocent when it first started. Like, just squirting raspberry shit on the windshield. That's like, funny.

Yeah, exactly. Like annoying, but funny. Yeah. You know, turn your windshield off. Turn your windshield off. Yeah. Yeah. It was when it got like, later into things that,

it wasn't really just like raspberry coming at your windshield. It was like sledgehammer. Oh, okay. Literally. That's different. A little bit. That hits a little, that literally hits a little different. Quitemers. Oh, okay. Literally. That's different. A little bit. That hits a little, that literally hits a little different.

Quite literally. Like quite literally. Raspberry liquid versus sledgehammer. To the face. One is just turning on your windshield wiper. Maybe getting some new windshield wiper fluid because you use a little bit too much. Yeah.

The other one is getting an entirely new windshield. And face. And face. You're right. That, yeah. Maybe like a plastic surgery appointment. Yeah, that would hurt. Yeah, damn. There were like a bunch of shade queens.

That escalated so quickly. It did. So by the late 1970s, when unemployment and glass goes northeast to states like Rukaze, was between 40 and 50%. Damn. A legit ice cream van operator could make upwards of 200 euros, I think it's euros, yeah, per week selling ice cream van operator could make upwards of 200 euros.

I think it's euros, yeah, per week selling ice cream. Wow. And as much as 800 a week. Wow. Alright, so this is like a desirable, absolutely. Oh yeah, absolutely. If you could make it, you could make it. Right, and the people that were making closer to like 800 a week, that was quote, if the operator

was willing to sell stolen cigarettes, sweets, and soft drinks. Alright. This is unquote, but drugs. And drugs. And drugs. And the drugs. And like I said, people were willing to go to bat for these routes because they desperately needed that kind of money.

Yeah. But now the quote-unquote schoolboyish pranks and silly tactics had escalated. That's no fun. I really like to just spray in with the raspberry quid. The raspberry quid. The raspberry shit. Oh, it's just good wholesome fun. Yeah, it's like a clown, you know?

Yeah. Like a little flower, but you know what? Desperation. Mm-hmm. Now, drivers in this new period of time, like I said, would vandalize other vans, sabotage them, threaten the other drivers pretty much every time it became physical. Oh. And this was also that a driver could keep the best route. What a toxic work environment. The most toxic work environment. Imagine coming in every day to work. No. And you have to deal with like, I don't know what's

going to happen today. Like, you know, you mean, in not in a good way. Like, it's, oh, no, they had to make like literal alliances and like hire people to watch out for them and hire people. And we'll get into all that. So much work. But the increase in violence was particularly alarming in the poor and working class neighborhoods. But it also wasn't just confined to those neighborhoods. It was alarming there because it was scary, but it wasn't just those neighborhoods. In the early 1980s London, drivers were also

engaging in a myriad of tactics to protect those more lucrative roots, and also resorting to violence. In December of 1981, three men from the Piccadilly with ice cream company were put in jail for an intimidation campaign on another driver that escalated to a really violent point. These men had attempted to scare this driver.

His name was Anthony Sherburn from his site outside of a Herod's department store, but their tactics weren't working. Like, they were kind of just threatening him verbally. So when they realized that wasn't working, they drove a truck into his van and then beat him to the point that he called lost his two front teeth and had two broken ribs.

Oh my God. Yeah, so that's where it all started. Holy shit. Now, at the start of the 1980s, there were three leasing firms behind the ice cream van industry. They were the Viking ice cream company, Kapaldi, and the Mark, I'm going to look this up, hold on. And I don't know if it was Marchetti or Marquetti, but according to pronouncenames.com, it's Marquetti. So yeah, we had all those companies just, you know,

leasing out there, the Vans for the ice cream people. Now, until the early 1980s, all three of these companies were regularly profiting from leasing out their vans and selling products to the self-employed drivers. But by 1982, all three companies were reporting annual losses. And they attributed these losses to, quote, loss of sales, repairs to Vans But yeah, I was going to say. And all the difficulties of starting

new drivers, because who the fuck wants to join this business? Now that it's become this. Yeah, exactly. Like, you got a, there's a very specific person that will weigh the risk the cost and cost and reward here. Yeah, a little pro. I feel like it's cool. Yeah. Like somebody just got beaten so badly that they're too front teeth are gone. And they broke two ribs. And broke two ribs and you're like, is it worth it?

And they also drove a fucking truck into the side of his van. What if he had been in the van? It's a liability, man. It is. So by the final quarter of 1983, vans were constantly being turned to the Marquetti brothers,

Scroj, with smashed windows, broken headlights, just any kind of vandalism you could think about, these vans were suffering it. Yeah. And it was all meant to encourage drivers to give up their roots. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times, or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed? What would you do?

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wond the app. So now we really get into the beginning of the ice cream wars because this was bringing in so much money and because there really wasn't a lot of law enforcement around the estates where the van schemes were, they were kind of now attracting a more criminal element. These dudes who wanted an easy way to quickly and easily offload stolen cigarettes and other goods that could be sold on the ice cream vans, they had their perfect ticket. Oh yeah, this is like the ideal thing now.

Yeah, now while there had been clearly a lot of conflict among drivers from the very beginning, the trouble reached new heights actually, now we're gonna go back a second to 1978 between drivers from the Marquetti brothers and 50 Isis. This is kind of like where the main tensions lie from the late 70s all the way to like the mid 1980s. And these are all names of like ice cream things. Yes. Yeah, it's like the leasing companies who own the band. So like the Marquetti brothers have their own bands that run around 50 ISIS as theirs.

Exactly. Okay. It's like how there's different taxi services. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. And 50 ISIS was a little bit of a smaller leasing firm. But that's where a lot of the tensions were between these two.

This was primarily taking place and Glasgow's Barlinark neighborhood. For the most part, flare-ups between the groups were minimal, quote, as long as they stuck to their respective sides of the scheme. So it was like, Marquetti brothers could have this route. 50 ISIS drivers had this route. You do not cross routes. Yeah, they're like- They're like the two shall meet. Exactly. But every now and then, a member of one group would infringe upon the territory of another, causing yet another outbreak of violence and vandalism. And what also complicated things was that there were a lot of the

working class people in this area, they had tiesed in or like some kind of connection to the Ulster Defense Association, which is the UDA. They were a Protestant paramilitary group that terrorized Northern Ireland and also parts of Scotland. And this meant that sometimes the religious affiliations between drivers led to even more violence. Oh my God, the layers.

It's crazy. It really, it doesn't, from what I know of Piki Blinders, it sounds like that's very, this is very Piki Blinders. Yeah, and just wait, I feel like it only got, like I said, never seen it. The vibes are here. But the vibes feel like, and it only vibe ears.

Oh yeah. Now this was the case in October of 1978. Tensions were already super high between drivers working for Marquetti Brothers in 50, I says. And things escalated when one of the drivers attacked the van of a driver from the rival company. So we have two rival drivers fighting with each other. Okay.

Now some members within that rival company also had ties to the UDA. And the police were starting to hear word that there was gonna be some kind of retaliation for this fight between them. Oh shit. And they were hearing that the UDA affiliated members were getting ready and starting to arm themselves

for some kind of big retaliation. Oh my god, this is so picky behind this. It's crazy. Now the police knew some of the more notorious key players, if you will, and they were able to get involved before anything escalated to the point of like what they thought was going to be a very bloody battle in the East End. But it only kind of put like a temporary band-aid on the overall problem. Throughout the rest of the year, there were regular small fights between the rivals. But those were kind of just hints at what was to come. When two van drivers from Glasgow suburbs, Denistown and Easter House started encroaching on routes in the Barlin arc in early October,

four Marquetti drivers began a campaign of intimidation, threats and vandalism. And by the end of that month, it resulted in a serious assault on one of the suburban drivers. Geez. The Marquetti drivers ended up being arrested and charged, but the charges were dismissed for all, but one of them.

Only one of them got the charges. And that man ended up being sentenced to serve five years in prison. To him. Now despite the one prison sentence, the campaign of intimidation and violence successfully did drive the suburban drivers out of the area, which like along with the lack of consequences showed that the violence was the answer when it came to protecting your root. I'd say that was a pretty bad move. If you get dismissed on all these charges, and only one person gets in trouble, you're like, okay, so what are my odds of getting a truck on? I was just gonna say, I'll play those odds, why not?

Exactly. Now, because the criminal activity among the East End drivers had gotten so fucking crazy, there were another group of people who saw this as an opportunity. Those people formed a protection racket. Whoa. Yeah.

This meant that drivers who wanted extra protection had to pay a fee to these hooligans willing to provide it for them. My God. And for those that didn't. They were on their own. Yeah, like that's all you, buddy. Damn. Now this was the case for a female driver, Sadie Campbell.

She had started driving back in 1982. And in the beginning beginning she was actually paying a protection fee because she was like, you know what, I'm not fucking with all this. But then she found out that the people requiring this fee were doing so by means of extortion and at the time she was losing her profit because she's paying for this fee and it's really like ridiculous, you know, of course. They're extorting her. And at this point she was finding it difficult to pay her bills, so she stops paying it. She's in a no-win situation.

Now, almost immediately, her van is vandalized. The windows were smashed in, and somebody also slashed her tires. Now, when her brother Tommy found out what was going on, he went into, he's like the main kind of guy, unless he went into a full-blown protective brother mode. He tracked down the driver responsible

and, quote, kicked his R-supin' down the street. This does sound like Tommy. Tommy Shelby, sorry. Tommy Shelby. The name was like Tommy. So this is Tommy Campbell, otherwise known as TC. All right. But he was kicking people's R-supin' down the street. And, like kicking kicking arse all while two police officers who decided not to intervene just watched from their car nearby. That is funny shit. The fight was incredibly intense.

If you read about it, just know that there is like some animal cruelty involved. Oh. Whoever he was fighting like stuck dogs on him, like sent them to hurt him. And one of them ended up being killed. Oh, really sad. I'm sad.

But so he thinks he's taking care of us. He's like, you know what? I took care of this. I thought the guy responsible. A few weeks later, Sadie's van explodes. Holy shit. Luckily, she's not in it. But she's like a literal car.

Oh my god. She's not in it, but that fully ended her career as a nice cream van driver. Wow. I'm done. Yeah, I'd be good with that. Now, even though he had just seen how fucking insane life could be in the ice cream trade,

Tommy TC Campbell was like, you know what? I think I got the street smarts for this, let me join. And he started in the fall of 1983. No. Is that fucking crazy? Why would you do that? So instead of leasing a van from one of the firms, he actually bought his own. He described it as a clapped out banger. That's right. Why would you do that? So instead of leasing a van from one of the firms, he actually bought his own.

He described it as a clapped out banger. That's right. Yeah. That's how I would describe it as well. A clapped out banger. That's how I describe all my cars. Clapped out banger. Don't make me laugh, I'll start snoring.

Now when T.C. there got his clapped out banger, I'll set, his wife Liz also got a licensed operator on that same time, and she was gonna be operating as a street vendor. So she started her route in a neighborhood known as Hagel. And at the time, she was the only van on that particular route that you would think. Well, that's great.

I'm gonna have so much success here. And she did. And she made a lot of money for the time being. I'm worried for her. And that's the thing. You wanted to get a successful root that nobody else had. But it was also dangerous to get a successful root that nobody else did,

because someone would come along and start fucking with you and your van and try to take that over. Yeah, that's not good. And that was exactly the case with Liz. Oh, Liz. Once people heard that she had a successful root, she became a target and she started getting threatened. Now, apparently Tommy was also able to track down

the guys who were messing with Liz. He just course he was. He's a bloodhound. Yeah, I think. You don't mess with the women in his life. You sure don't. Apparently. No, in this time, he didn't even have to throw him

because he had a reputation. Oh. I mean, look what he had done with his little sister. Yeah, he pretty much cemented that right there. Yeah, so he just kind of took care of it. And that was that. He just gives a stern face. Oh yeah, he just like,

and everybody is just, yeah, he just goes, ooh, he just gives a little eyeball and everyone's like, oh, you can like smell him coming. He like, cause your door's had your wife, had your kids. Oh yeah, yeah, one of those. I keep picturing him as Thomas Shelby.

And that would mean that he would just always smell, like you would always keep smell cigarettes coming. Because Thomas Shelby is a chain smoker. They all are. Like, later that entire show is just cigarettes. Like all the show. I wonder what they smoke. Like they must smoke something different, right?

Yeah, they have to. I'm like, you would all be in dire straits if you were smoking that much. You know, it's funny that you said that. I was thinking that yesterday because I was watching Girls Next Door, obviously. Obviously. And it was the shoot where Kendra addresses as May West.

So she has like a cigarette holder. Is she smoking like a, what looks like a real cigarette? Yeah. I was like, shit, like, what is that? Really just, but they must do something different for like a peaky. I would think. Where they're litter, I mean, they are,

that's 99.9% of the show is them lighting up cigarettes. I thought you were about to say 99.7% and I was like, 99.76% of the show. Smoke and ciggy. Is them lighting and smoking cigarettes? The smell of cigarettes. I like used to smoke cigarettes, which is a really embarrassing fact about me.

The smell of them now. I really don't like the smell of the girl. So yucca, so yucca's. I don't forgive it for Thomas Shelby, but not Ashkel. But not Ashkel, I'm the only one. Alina got so mad at me. I did, yeah, but you know, worked out. I'm not a smokey animal.

It was for the best. Yeah, I'm 100%. Okay, okay. I wasn't bullying her. Alina's always bullying me. I am. That's why she's my maid of honor and everything. Absolutely.

But anyways, back to TC Tommy Campbell. Back to it. So he just had to look at them this time. He was like, fuck you guys. Fuck you guys. Except like Scottish. Yeah. I can't do that.

The broke is hard. It's difficult. Now, he didn't only have street cred with the van drivers and as the leader of the Goucho Razer gang, of course. But he also was very well known to police. I'm sure you're shocked to hear. With them, he had a reputation of being a quote unquote vicious cruel man who was usually and frequently involved in mindless violence.

This is a quote, fighting for territory, mindless violence. Yeah, just violence for violence sake Literally T.C.'s life in the early 80s. He was running multiple small-time petty schemes. He was selling stolen goods. He was extorting money from various groups of people. He was essentially born to be an ice cream man driver I 100% this is the life made for him. Yeah, exactly like he didn't choose the ice cream van life. It chose him Yeah, it's it like sought him out truly truly now by the end of 1983 There were rumors circulating in Glasgow's east end about Marquetti drivers being run out of neighborhoods or Followed on their runs by suspicious cars and Haggill readon, who was actually the man that sold Tommy Campbell

his first van, started getting threats that if he didn't abandon his lucrative Haggill route, then his van would be blown up. Oh, yes that. Yeah, okay. According to Skeleton, the worst that happened, quote, was a brick being thrown through his rear window. Oh, that's the worst.

And isn't that crazy when you're like, all the worst thing you're having? Yeah, I think that was nothing. Oh, they did, they threw a brick through his window. She Oh, did. That's the worst. And isn't that crazy when you're like, all the worst thing you're having? Yeah, like that. Oh, it was nothing. Oh, they did a store of breakthroughs when they were. She was all worried. And then he just got a brick launch through his back window. That was no big deal.

Small potatoes. Small, potatoes. And it didn't matter to read. Was it skeleton? Skeleton, yeah. Because it just makes me think of skeleton. Skeitol. Yeah, as soon as you said I was like,

Skeitol. Skeitol. Oh, I miss Skeitol. I haven't seen him in a while. And of course he was family. Yeah, he wouldn't see it. He wouldn't saw his family. Family.

Yeah, I'll be back, though. So he must have had a good time with his family. My keys, like, he's like, I gotta say, ah! Like, like, like, Skatehall. Yeah, if you don't know that, that's what. We definitely told that story. That's what your young guest, her, like,

a little imaginary friend. Yeah, that was her, her guy. Perhaps real. That was her guy, her man. Her man. You just sit there, posing on the bookshelf, sliving, just living, yeah, you know, then you would just go visit his family.

Family. Yeah. Well, this Kelly Ton just said, like it's just a brick in your window. It's just going to be different. You're different. I was just about to laugh and then I was going to die. We gave a lane and sometimes we died. I had to have a second.

Yeah, but she okay now. I'm okay. She's okay. I'm back. That's really funny. I just got a notification from Uber Eats and that just feels like fitting for this two. Wow. What do they want for me?

What do you want for me, Uber Eats? They want me to order. They want you to lease a van. No. Never. A collapsed outbang or van. I mean, the twist by arm. They're all right.

Okay. Now, so Reed, he has this whole, the twist by arm. They're all right, so I'm glad. Now, so Reed, he has this whole thing thrown through his windshield. Yeah, he does. Skeletons like, man, no big deal. Reed's like, big deal. I'm not gonna sit around and wait for things to get worse. Everybody take my route.

Period. Reed for the win. That's what I would do. I'd be like, yeah, no, that's as bad as that gets. Yeah, he gave up his route. And it also wasn't just the Marquetti drivers being targeted. At the end of September, a 50s ice driver was just wrapping up the end of his run in Rukaze,

and he was gonna be calling it a night. As he was finishing up, he saw a dark colored Ford escort pull up behind his van, and then two men wearing masks came out from the car, both holding shotguns. Nope. The driver, John Brady, immediately through his van into gear put the pedal to the fucking metal

and sped away. And as he sped away, these masked men banged on the sides of the van, smashed one of the windows in, and just the whole time we're screaming threats to Brady. This is a lot. This is terrifying. One might say this is the most.

Also the fact that this happened and I have never ever ever heard of it. Me neither. Fucking bonkers. This is really wild. It is. Now when he made it to safety, Brady told the vans owner,

who was Samuel McBride about his ordeal, and McBride took the information to the police and Easter house to make a formal complaint. It's unclear if the police actually followed up on this complaint. It doesn't seem like they followed up on a lot of these complaints. They seem like it.

They're like, yeah, that's like your business. They were like this is annoying. Yeah, exactly. But either way, McBride made the decision pretty quickly after all of this to sell that van to Tommy Campbell and leave the ice cream business for good. And that's why that van was a clapped up banger. Yep, there you go.

I was like, Dari Gah. Dari Gah. So like, we've been in 1983 for a while. Yeah. 1983. The year of John. The year of John.

And of escalation in the ice cream world. You know, same thing. And now, it wasn't just the... I see no difference. I don't really see any difference at all. That's what I said, right? Quitting yourself love. No, it wasn't only the van drivers who were receiving threats of violence and actual harassment. It was anyone even associated with the business at all. This was the case in late

October for Marquetti brother supervisor James Mitchell. He just finished his shift and he left the Marquetti garage a little bit after midnight. Now as he's driving home, a dark colored sedan drives up behind him real fast with the high beams on. So he slows down, he assumes the car behind him wants to pass. But the other driver came up next to him and ends up keeping pace with him. Oh, very, what's that fucking movie with Jared Leto that we just we watched it recently again. Oh, the little thing. The little thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so creepy. Yeah.

So he keeps pace. He's just driving along right next to him for a few hundred feet. And then Mitchell notices somebody in the back seat rolled down the window and point what he believed was a gun in his direction. No. So he banged a hard turn down the window and point what he believed was a gun in his direction. So he banged a hard turn down the next street available and the other car ended up speeding away. But had he not had a street available, he very well could have been shot. Yeah, I'd say so.

From Haxill to Cartine to Rookazee, someone had their sights on taking over the ice cream van runs and Glasgow's east end and they were doing it one neighborhood out of time. Also, if you see a dark colored sedan and these neighborhoods run, you have to fuck out of it. Run, there was dark colored sedans everywhere. Yeah. I'm like, you know, not a lot of people had access to cars.

All of a sudden they just find access to cars. All of a sudden it's just dark colored sedans like coming out of their years. Yeah, seriously, they lurking. They have so many. It's fucking crazy. And late October, drivers in this is gonna be an attempt. It's called Gartham Lock, I believe.

Ooh, I love that. It was a suburban neighborhood in Northeastern, and a Northeastern part of Glasgow. Gartham Lock. But drivers there had become so terrorized that finally the police intervened. Finally. Like this long.

I just can't get over the name of that. That's all I do. I just keep thinking of like, Wayne and Gartham Lock, right? It's wild. I just can't get over the name of that. That's all I can, I just keep thinking of like Wayne and Gartham walk, right? It's wild. I was like, I'm trying. Party on Wayne and Gartham walk. Now remember, this is in 1983.

At this point, this had been going on since 1978 and the police are just getting involved now. Yeah, I mean, like now, at this point, they're like, maybe we should do something about this. You know what, this doesn't seem to be going around its own. So like I guess we'll attempt something. It's like an infection. They're like, you know, do something about this. You know what? This doesn't seem to be going around its own. So I guess we'll attempt something. It's like an infection. They're like, you know, it's weird.

It seems like it's getting worse when we're not remedying it. It's insane. So the police added increased patrols, and they actually even put plain clothes officers in decoy vans in an effort to catch the main perpetrators of this whole thing. Now the increased police presence, it definitely helped keep the violence and the intimidation to a minimum. But it also just chased the crime out of that specific neighborhood and into others that were less patroled.

On October 27, 1983, three vans in Cartine were attacked in a span of just two hours. Geez. London driver. What'd you say? Efficient. And that's a thing, like, it really was kind of organized crime. Yes, very much You know one driver told police he was working with his usual run at about 815 when quote

four hooded men jumped out of a red triumph and smashed the van using pickaxe handles and other weapons. Oh Fucking crazy. Okay. Now the next morning, Marquetti's company secretary who at the time was Archibald McDougall. Yeah, it was. Fucking rap. At the time and forever in our hearts. He received an anonymous call

for me quote unquote, gruff individual. Yep. I would like to be jealous. I'd like to be jealous. Henceforth as a gruff individual. Gruff individual. Gruff individual.

Who told him, quote, I wish I could have a broad for this, but I'll try to be gruff. Scottish broads are just so hard. They are. And I love them. They're so, they're so like pure and close to my heart that I don't want to fuck with one. No, I know. I know. I'm just going to be gruff. If we can't attack your vans in the North Gartham lock area because of the heavy police activity, then we will attack your vans everywhere else. And that's what we done last night.

If you don't last night, I love it. There you go. If you don't get your vans out of the Gartham Lock area, then we'll do it again. I love it. That was pretty rough. That was rough as fuck. Thank you.

I did get a little English. I would describe you as a gruff individual. I heard you say that. Thank you. That's what we done last night. I know. Oh, there it is. That's all I can do that. Okay, you. That's what we don't last night. I know. Oh, there it is. That's all I can do, though.

OK, OK. That's what we don't last night. You got to say, that's what we don't last night. It's very boondocks, ain't it? Yeah. Except they're Irish. Dosh. But yeah.

I think we sounded a little more Irish. We probably did. Yeah. Mom. Oh, anyway. All I can think of is don't gay. That's all I can think of, too. So we don't last night, don't get.

There you go. Now, the van runs as we, like in a broke scene. The van runs as we know at this point. Definitely provided a profitable income for those willing to drive the roots. But the increasingly criminal nature of the business started offering even more financial opportunities. For drivers who didn't want to get directly involved

in vandalism or intimidation, there are plenty of teenagers in and around the council estates willing to do it for them. I love just a small price. I love the entry level positions. It's like for those who don't want to get directly involved in the violence and intimidation,

you can enter this way. Yeah. It's like you can have your own run. Yeah. You can be one of the yeah. Yeah. It's like you can have your own run. Yeah. You can be one of the people who sells the illegal goods. Yep. You can be one of the people who extorts the drivers for protection.

Just for their lives. Or you can be a teenager who's going to vandalize some who wants to be an inspiration for the drivers. Yeah. It's kind of a pyramid scheme. Yeah, there's a lot of different, like, little tendrils to this business. and I appreciate that. Yeah, so the teenagers, they were getting in on this now.

It's fucking crazy. And it's sad, too. Like, we're lollying, but it's really sad that it came to this. Well, that's, and the thing is when you really, because you can, like, laugh about just, like, how outrageous it got, but then it's fictional. That's the thing, because you think of it as, like,

peaky blinders, but, like, then when you really lay it down and you, kind of, like, peel away all of this, it's fictional. That's the thing, because you think of it as like peaky blinders, but like then when you really lay it down and you kind of like peel away all of this, it's out of pure desperation. Exactly. So it's like, when you really look at the origin of it, you're like, oh, well that sucks. Yeah. That sucks.

That desperation causes this, you know? It really is like a case study on society. Yeah, it's really sad. It is. So the teenagers, the teens. In April 1984, 17 year old William Hamilton and a group of his friends in the Cowden Beethas states were paid 70 pounds by a man named Thomas Laffordy,

which I just like Laffordy. Laffordy. Yeah. Thomas Laffordy told this William and his friends to smash up the van of a female driver who's route ran through the neighborhood. Now Laffordy worked for Tommy Campbell at the time and they were also brother-in-laws. And while later William Hamilton refused to say what Laffordy had given him the money for, he did admit to taking the money and a little over an hour after he took that money,

he and his friends were arrested for doning Celtic tamis, which I think those are like the hats, like the golf hats kinda with the turkeys on them. And like the fluffy ball on top. We're in those. And attacking a van with pickaxe sandals and a sledgehammer. This is like very violent.

It's the most violent. Very aggressive. And it's just like a group of 17 year olds with sledgehammers and pickaxes. And this is like a woman's van most violent. Very aggressive. And it's just like a group of 17-year-olds with sledge hammers and pickups. And this is like a woman's fan. A woman's fan. Yeah. Hopefully she wasn't ended at the time.

I know. But they were arrested. Good. And now at this point, the ice cream van trade had evolved into a small time gang war for dominance at Los Gozis Stent. But thanks to the occasional police intervention, incidents of violence had been relatively minor. But all of that would change in about four short months. And everything would come to a head in a shocking act of destruction.

And it would forever rank Glasgow's ice cream wars as among the worst acts of mass murder that the country had ever seen. Holy shit. This is like, it gets to a point of just insanity. Like you think that this is insanity and it very much is when we re-wrap it and what actually happens, you're like, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen? Uh-oh. So, back to Andrew, Andrew Fappoy Doyle, our guy.

Our guy. The efforts to run Marquette Evans out of the Garthamlock area had been largely successful. And by November, there were only two Marquetti vans operating in the neighborhood. One of those was driven by James Mitchell Senior, who was the father of the Marquetti supervisor who was run off the road. Okay. And I lost my place a little bit.

And the other driver was Mitchell's 16 year old daughter. I read them. Oh, wow. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, I said, women were obviously driving too, but the young people were driving like 16-year-olds. If you had a license, you had an opportunity. Holy shit.

Now, the obviously limited competition appealed to Tommy Campbell's sister, Agnes Laferty, who was driving a van for 50 ISIS at the time. According to her, the two Marquetti vans, quote, had a monopoly in the scheme, and were charging the earth for their stuff. And she wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to bring some competition to the neighborhood. So she sees an opportunity here.

Okay, Agnes. Now in the Marquetti. Okay Agnes. Okay Agnes, I'm here with you I guess. Yeah. I'm worried for you. Yeah. When the Marquetti's company secretary, our boyibald McDougal. Our boy of forever.

Forever and always. Forever and always. When he heard about Lafferties' decision to begin operating in Garthham Lock, he knew he would need to add additional drivers in order to lock Lafferties and 50 Isis out of the neighborhood. So they're all coming up with schemes to get the other one out.

Scheme, scheme, scheme. Now other Marquetti drivers had expressed interest in this run, but the recent flurry of threats and vandalism, we're still fresh in archival's mind. Yeah. And he knew whoever he put on the root was gonna have to be somebody

who wasn't gonna be easily intimidated. Yeah. And that is where Andrew Doyle comes in. Oh, Andrew. And Drew Fatboy is the one that's not. Is not easily intimidated. 18 years old. Imagine that's your, that's your rep.

Like they're like, we need someone who will not be intimidated. We pick you and be like, oh my God. Okay. I would pick you. You would pick me. You're not easily intimidated at all. That is true. Yeah, you know that.

That feels good. Yeah, no problem. That feels right. I'd pick you, that boy. Yeah. I wouldn't do this though. No. This would intimidate me. I would not pick boy. Yeah. I wouldn't do this though. No. This would intimidate me.

I would not pick you for this. I would not do this. I would not do this. If it was like a different thing, I didn't want you to be intimidated. Thanks, but I appreciate it. I would never send you into these streets. Yeah, I wouldn't do this. That would be intimidating.

But Archibald did pick Andrew Doyle. He was like him. He's a good choice. He called him and he offered him a van to operate rent-free. Whoa. Which was huge. Yeah. That's a massive opportunity. In order to quote, freeze out any competition from rival firms.

Now, like we just said, this is a big deal. It wasn't like people were just throwing free vans up people who needed money left in right? No. And at the time, Andrew Doyle likely thought this was a great opportunity. His family lived in the newer housing estates. There was a lot of them living in one little apartment like this was a huge opportunity Yeah

Absolutely. He had grown up in a large well-known family and they were really liked family They grew up in Rukaze. He was over six feet tall with a quote bulky up Excuse me big bulky builds and that's why his friends and family had taken to calling him fat boy It was a term of endearment. Yeah When McDougal approached him with an offer to drive from Arkaddi And that's why his friends and family had taken to calling him fat boy. It was a term of endearment. Yeah. When McDougal approached him with an offer to drive from Arketti, Andrew at the time was actually working as a part-time bouncer at a local bar and sharing an apartment with his family in that ruckusiest state.

He obviously being a bouncer was no stranger to violence, and he also wasn't really somebody to shy away from a fight if one came his way. But at the same time, most accounts say that he was very nice, very reliable, just a good dude. Yeah, you just didn't talk with him. Yeah, exactly. Even Tommy Campbell, Doyle's competition for Van Rundz described him as a quote, nice big boy. He wasn't a troublemaker and he wasn't any sort of threat to anyone. Wow. Yeah. Now, McDougal instructed Doyle to run the same route as Tommy's sister Agnes, staying either in front of or behind her the entire time. Wow.

So they're trying to intimidate her off this way. Yeah. Andrew starts driving in November and it didn't take long for the intimidation and threats to begin. One night in November, he was actually at home, by himself or not by himself, but at home, like you think you're safe there.

Yeah. Watching you would think. Watching television with his brother, Stephen. And they hear a car outside. So Andrew looks out the window and he recognizes the driver. So he leaves the apartment and he goes out to talk to the man.

But he doesn't get any further than the stairs and he's attacked from behind. Whoa. Yeah. The man knocked Andrew to the ground and then he and four other men proceeded to kick and punch him for several minutes. Oh my God. The attack was the first of a string of what they called back then,

Frightners, which were intimidation tactics used to deter the Marquetti driver from continuing his Garthum lock run. Damn. Yeah. Now a neighbor testified in court later that she had seen the fight outside the apartment and actually identified Tommy Campbell, Thomas Gray, Gary Moore, and Joe Steele as the attackers. Andrew actually didn't report the attack to the police, but when he informed a supervisor about it, McDougal, he called the Easter House police and did report the attack. The Easter House police went to look for Andrew to take a statement from him.

And they ended up having a hard time finding him along his route. And when they did eventually track him down, he was like, no, I'm not talking about that. No, I'm good. And he basically just told them it had nothing to do with them to mine their own business. Wow. So he knows what he's doing. I think he's not easily intimidated. He just got the shit kicked out of him and he's like, I'm not going to police. Yeah. I think he's not easily intimidated. He just got the shit kicked out of him. And he's like, I'm not going to police.

Yeah. I got this. I got this. Very deeply entrenched. Exactly. So the attacks continued through the rest of the year with Marquetti and 50 ISIS vans taking heavy damage from rocks, bricks, hammers, you name it.

Just before Christmas, Tony Copano, a driver for Agnes Laferty, was on his way home after finishing his shift, when four men in a quote, we read Fiesta. Oh, we read Fiesta. Pulled out and you would think that's not that scary. No. But they pull out in front of him and they throw a mallet through his windshield. Imagine a we read Fiesta. No. Causing that kind of fucking damn like no that's like sending a little like a little toddler

In with like a machine gun like that's the same kind of vibe there. That's the exact vibe through a fucking mallet through his windshield Damn nearly hitting Tommy Campbell's sister other sister Liz Who was sitting in the passenger seat? So you don't want to fuck with Tommy Campbell's family. No, you do not. So Kappwano tried to get away, but the men in the fiesta pursued them, quote unquote, aggressively until they reached Agnes Laferne's house.

And when they reached that house, obviously nobody's gonna fuck with Tommy's family. So the car disappeared down the side street. Now a month later near the end of January, Irene Mitchell's van was parked in the Gartham lock when she spotted William Hamilton, that guy from earlier, and a small group of boys headed her way. The Mitchell's had run-ins with Hamilton a few times before I was talking about one earlier, and usually this was at the urging of Thomas Lafferty, so she started the engine and started to pull away, and a hammer

came flying through her back window. What is with like hammers, sludge hammers, mallets? That's that's like very, that's like brutality. Like you know what I mean? Like this is so different the way this is being handled. Yeah, you're just throwing hammers through people. Like hammers and mallets and shinnah people. Like that's just so down and dirty this kind of shit is so you know, it's so down and dirty It really is and that causes so much damage like you are throwing something to cause like maximum damage and like potentially Death exactly hitting the back of the head with a fucking Malik easy and with like the force that it takes to continue like creeping through the air. Like that's insane. It is. So as the attacks

increased in both frequency and intensity, so did the violence and threats from both sides. Rumors started circulating about one driver threatening to kill the other. But up until this point, everybody just kind of thought that was drunk shit talking. Yeah, like everybody's like, Oh, I'm going to kill him. I'm going to kill her. But that all changed one night in February, when somebody fired a shotgun at Andrew Doyle's van

while he was parked on a street in Garthamwell. Holy shit. He later did tell the police. I was parked outside of Balvney Street. I went to pick up some bottles which had fallen over. I heard a bang and then saw a hole the size of a football in the windscreen. Jesus.

So how do you end up in here? Absolutely. What if I could? 100%. And Wilson, a teenager who had actually been helping Andrew on his run, told the police that she saw men wearing balaclavas and she didn't see their faces. But she did see that they were driving

a dark colored Volvo. Oh, and they were wearing like those masks. Yeah. I was like, I had to look up the pronunciation of that and like the picture came up. She came up. She came up. She came up.

She came up. Literally, like you just see the eyes. Oh, that's so creepy. Fucking terrifying. And then it's like all over roots for ice cream. Ice cream. Technically. Technically.

No. Like it's all the all roads lead back to ice cream. Yeah. That's why. I know you're never going to eat ice cream the same after this. Yeah, even though I'm so going to eat it though. They roads lead back to ice cream. Yeah. I know. You're never going to eat ice cream the same after this. Yeah. Even though they were better even selling ice cream. I was going to say honestly at the end of this like ice cream is a very loose term when

it comes to what this is. Yeah, precisely. So the day after the shooting Andrew flagged down a patrol officer to report that four men and a Ford transit fan had been following him that day around Garthham lock all afternoon. Now, a few weeks later on March 18th, two men in a Ford Transit van threw a brick through the back of his van. The back of his shield. Now, despite the escalation of the attacks and the stress that these attacks were probably

causing Andrew, he refused to give up his route. And he rarely reported the attacks to anybody. He just kind of wanted to handle things his own way. Wow. Now, a few months later, his brother Steven told a jury of an incident in late February, in which, quote, Andy was in the house and Anthony asked him

about the business of being shot at. Andy told him not to say anything and just leave it. He obviously did not want to talk about it My mother asked him what it was about as well, but he wouldn't say Andy was just like that So he's like literally just he's like he's don't worry about it. Yeah, I got it under control. Yeah Now Andrew was only slightly more cooperative when it came to the local police telling him he didn't telling them He didn't really know of any reason why somebody would want to shoot him.

Yeah. In fact, he told them all of the trouble that started only recently when quote, the 50s ISIS van came into the area, the one with weight for agnus on the side. Now it seemed to the police that Andrew interpreted the escalating gang war as kind of just little fights between businesses.

And even though he had already been physically assaulted himself, he never thought that he was personally in any real danger. Whether this was really how he felt or just an act, tensions were running particularly high by February of 1984. And it seemed that the violence was only going to escalate from here.

On February 1st, a supervisor with the Marquetti brothers, he arrived at the garage in the morning to find that at some point in the night, somebody had broken into the building and tried to start a fire with a crude gas bomb. So at this point, we are, what is the word? Intensifying or whatever. Yeah, just a fire escalating to a... I couldn't think of the word either. Icalating, too, a... Thank you. I couldn't think of the word either.

I was like, I'm gonna talk until it comes to me. Yeah. I was trying that, too. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but... Escalating to arson straight up flames. Crazy. So the petrol and a bottle approach wasn't effective at setting the garage on fire,

but the arsonist did succeed in destroying one of the vans. One of the vans did catch fire. Now when the attempted arson was discovered to have failed later that day, the arsonist actually returned the next early, in the early morning hours of the next day and tried to burn the building again. This time, they dumped gasoline through a hole in the ceiling,

but the flames were immediately spotted by patrol officers in the area, and it was able to be extinguished by the police department. Wow, that's so scary. But now we're trying to literally blow up businesses. Yeah. Not just, I mean, trying to blow up a van

and of itself is pretty fucking terrifying, but now you're trying to entire buildings. A whole building. Yeah. Crazy. This is one of those things where it's like, does everyone see where this is going? Oh, yeah.

Does anyone want to step in and be like, this is going to get so much worse? That's the thing. Like, the writing was very much on the way with this. First of all, the fact that when the fire wasn't successful, they came back. Yeah, it's like, come on. Like, these people are intent on destroying

what they wanted to destroy. And it's only going to get worse. And it only did. The night of April 16th, 1984, there was a full house at the Doyle's apartment in Rukaze. Andrew Doyle's parents, James and William Doyle were home, as well as himself and his siblings, Daniel, Steven and Anthony.

They also had three guests staying with them. Their other son, James Jr., their daughter, Christine Halleran, and Christine's 18-month-old son Mark. Oh, no. Now, a little before midnight, Lillian Doyle said goodnight to her husband and her son's James Jr. and Anthony, and then she went to bed for the evening. At some point in the hour that followed, the rest of the Doyle family members also went to bed and the house was dark.

Now, at some point, between 1 and 2 a.m., somebody climbed the stairs to the Doyle apartment and poured gasoline on the door next to their front door. This door was used to access an old co-seller, and then they tossed a match at the door and the old drywood immediately ignited. Oh my god. And these are like housing, like, like little apartments. Like they are going to catch fire. There's a 18-month-old in there. Yeah. Oh. So Lillian Doyle, Andrews' mom, woke up to the sound of her daughter screaming in the

night and she woke up to see what she was screaming about. Now, Christine's baby actually had been sick with a cold in the last couple of days. So she kind of thought, oh, she just needs help with the baby. So she opens the bedroom into the hallway and she's's overwhelmed by thick black smoke and scorching heat that immediately forced her to close the door and stay back in the bedroom. She's fucking terrified. So she goes to the window and she threw it open, maybe for like fresh air because she had just basically like, breathed in a whole walked into a fire. Essentially. it just basically like, it's gonna fall. It's gonna walk into a fire, essentially.

Or for a potential escape. By then, the neighbors had already begun to gather outside 40 feet below. My God. And they were shouting, telling her that the fire brigade was on its way. Now, a short distance away, another crowd had gathered,

and this one had gathered at around 22-year-old Stephen Doyle. Like his mom, he had been woken up by the commotion and he got up to investigate, and when he opened his bedroom door, he was also pushed back inside by the smoke and the searing heat of the fire. So in a panic, he ran to the window, didn't think too much, just punched through the glass, cut his hand and arm in the process. He breathed a deep lung full of fresh air, went back to the door and tried to make his way

into the hallway to help any family members that he could, but he only made it a few steps before he had to go back into the bedroom. But he was able to grab Dixie, the family dog, ugh, before once again closing the door. He literally had no other option at this point, so he went to the window, sat on the ledge for a minute, and jumped three stories to the window, sat on the ledge for a minute, and jumped three stories

to the ground below. Holy shit. Badly badly, enduring himself in the process, but he saved him in Dixie's life. So local firefighters received the call about the fire at the Doyle residence a little before 230 in the morning, and they responded immediately. Their first priority was to get anybody inside to safety, but the flames were still burning like way too hot for them to even get to the door. They couldn't even get to the door. So they had to work to extinguish the fire from outside. Now once they were able to access the apartment, firefighter Gerald Laferty, so many Laferty's. He entered the apartment wearing a breathing apparatus and he was carrying a small extinguisher

to kind of clear his way. The first member of the family found was Lillian. She was hanging half in and half out of the window. And as he moved toward her, she screamed at him to help the children first. She was like, don't bother with me. You go get them first. Oh my God. So in the next bedroom, he found Andrew and Daniel kneeling in front of the windows and James Jr. lying on the bed beside them.

Whether out of confusion or just a desire not to abandon their brother, they both refused to leave and they actually had to be dragged from the apartment by firefighters. Oh my God. If you google it there's a picture of Andrew Doyle being taken out of the apartment by the firefighters. And he just looks like in a days, obviously. Oh my God. So in Lafford, he reached the third bedroom.

He discovered James Sr. lying on the floor next to his daughter's bed. This is really, really, really sad. Christine was still in bed and she seemed to be using her body to shield the baby from harm. Like she laid on top of the baby. She was severely burned. There were no signs that she was conscious, but baby Mark appeared to be breathing. Holy shit. So the firefighters

removed mother and child from the apartment and they attempted to perform CPR on Christine, but she was gone. Oh my god, that's so sad. 25 years old. Holy shit. 14-year-old Anthony was the last one of the Doyle family to be found. He'd actually been sleeping on the couch in the living room. So he was the most vulnerable one to the flames. He was badly burned across most of his body. And like his father and brother James, he was laid outside while the emergency responders used a resuscitator to keep him alive. Oh my God. Now the extent of the damage to the Doyle's lives

and property was massive and shocking. Christine died at the scene. Anthony died on the way to the hospital. Baby Mark unfortunately died the following afternoon. Oh. He was transferred to the ICU at the sick children's hospital in your kill, but it was just too much for his body. Oh my God.

James Sr. and James Jr. were both placed in the infirmary Burns unit for extensive injuries and listed in critical condition. Oh my God. Daniel and Andrew were also placed in the Burns unit and their situations were considered serious. Steven had suffered serious back injuries and shattered his left leg when he jumped from that window. He had to get multiple pins in his leg

among various other treatments. Lillian was treated for smoke inhalation and shock, actually, but was actually discharged later that day. So she survived. Several of the Doyle's neighbors, including those who attempted to rescue the family, were also treated for smoke inhalation. And these are all innocent people.

You know, like these are innocent people. I mean, Andrew Doyle was just running a fucking van route. That's it. He was hired to do this. And everybody was intimidating him and he was just going about his business. And the saddest thing I think is that he was sought out to do this. He didn't even apply for this job. Like he was sought out.

And it's like, this is his family. They didn't have anything. They need 18 month old, doesn't have anything to do with this bullshit ice cream more. And they weren't even supposed to be there that way. Like they just happened to be there. Yeah. So his father, Andrew's father James,

or excuse me, his brother, James Jr. died the following day from his burns and smoke inhalation. And within a week, his father, James Sr. and Andrew Doyle also died. The former of Bronco pneumonia and severe burns and the latter Andrew of Bronco pneumonia and lung damage from inhaling toxic gases during the fire. So literally almost this entire family gone. That's awful. So as fire officials sifted through the wreckage of the apartment, they couldn't identify

the origin point of the fire because I mean it had been just like, you were just demolished. The best they could tell was that the fire had started around the door, going into the old coal cellar. However, it appeared as though an accelerant had accidentally or intentionally been poured under the front door, which provided the flames a direct path into the main apartment. Wow. So it's likely that whoever set the fire

didn't know that the doils had been using the old coal cellar as storage. And behind that door were a ton of highly flammable items, like tires, dry wood, stuff like that. Which when held under pressure, created a way larger and way deadlier explosion than hopefully it wasn't dead. Then maybe it wasn't dead, did it? Yeah. Right. Now, given Andrew's conflict with the drivers from 50 ISIS and the recent escalation and violence,

investigators were immediately sussed and assumed that the fire was arson and murder. Yeah. With no time to waste, they set up an incident room at the nearby Easter House Station and they were ready to go. Holy shit. So this case was assigned to Detective Superintendent Norman Walker. He was a veteran of the police force. He'd been on the job more than 30 years.

Well, now despite having been told about the feud between the ice cream van drivers, he didn't really have any concrete leads. He didn't really have any evidence because everything was burned in the fire. So he just didn't really have much to go on. He's just going off of what people are saying.

Yeah, so he's going door to door in Rukaze. And a few neighbors in Rukaze reported seeing three or four boys in the area shortly before the fire. And another had seen three teenagers buying a can of gasoline a little after midnight on the night of the fire. So Walker finally got his first concrete lead when he interviewed a neighbor by the name of Reginald Rankin.

Now the fact that he didn't just run with this is insane because this man tells him everything he needs, but the detective is like, okay, sounds good. And why would you listen to a man named Reginald Rankin? It's your, it's you have to. I'd be like, tell me everything. It's an unwritten rule that if your name is Reginald Rankin, everyone has to do what you say. And you're gonna tell the truth. Tell me my prophesies to me. Tell me my future. Please. I'll believe you mr.

Rankin 100. Let's go So that lead like I just said would be ignored for years. That's good. This lead that I'm about to tell you according to Rankin He and a friend had been drive and I literally can't believe this has been ignored waiting you're gonna get so mad He and a friend had been driving back to his apartment in Rukaze and the early morning hours of April 16th And he said as he turned the corner into the apartment complex, he was hit on the front corner of his car by a red Ford escort seemingly racing away from the estate.

That's pretty damning. Only gets worse. He described the other driver as a man in his late 20s, early 30s, with, quote, fair street shoulder, shoulder length hair of a slim build driver as a man in his late 20s, early 30s, with, quote, fair street shoulder, shoulder, length hair of a slim build and wearing blue denims, a denim jacket, and a yellowish t-shirt. Rankin also told the interviewing officers that the man was short about five, six, and how to scar in his cheek.

Quote. Quote. Just to the right of his nose. Like literally gets him everything. This is like a really detailed description. Now, when Rankin got out of the car to confront the driver who had just to hit him, two other men got out of the car and all three of them ran off and just left the car.

Okay, guys. So he checks inside the car, he's like, what the fuck is going on here? And notices a gas can in the back seat along with a strong smell of gas. We're just ignoring this. Now he didn't report the incident initially or the accident because he didn't have a license

or insurance and he was like, you know what, I think we're just gonna let this go. I'm gonna re-up that and then I'll let them know. He didn't know about the fire yet either. Yeah. But he came forward once he knew of the fire and the deaths of the Doir family. So after telling the story to the officers

who were literally going door to door for leads, he expected to hear from them sooner or later. Yeah. No one ever contacted him to follow this up. Guys, like y'all, how does this shit happen? I thought I wanted to know. Like shitty detective work. Yeah.

You've been on the force 30 years and this tip was just literally like neatly wrapped in a bowl and tossed, or in a bow and tossed onto your lap. And a fancy, under a fancy cloche and they were just like, voila. Here it is. Here you go, sir.

Man. They were like, no, I don't want that. I'm gonna make my own. Why would I do that? Why? So searching for any lead in the case, or maybe not, or maybe not. Or maybe not.

Or perhaps not. And Detective Superintendent Walker started interviewing the men being held at Barlinnie Prison Seahall, which was a holding area for prisoners awaiting trial. Now it was in this Seahall that they encountered a man named Billy Love. He was a thief and he was awaiting trial for armed robbery. Yeah, he was. Billy Love was.

Absolutely. And he was there along with his accomplices, Ronald Carlton and John Campbell. So Love told Walker that he had information about the Doyle family murders. But if he was gonna give that information, he wanted to be let out of prison. Of course. He has something to gain.

He's gonna give you a divorce. Of course. I don't think he's gonna give it up for free. I, in my personal opinion, nothing of that he told them is real. Yeah, I mean, he's got every reason to lie about up for free. In my personal opinion, nothing of that he told them is real. Yeah, I mean, he's got every reason to lie about it. Exactly, and you know who doesn't? Fucking Reginald.

Reginald was just going about his business. Reginald has every reason to lie. And he did it. He's like, I know I was gonna get in trouble here, but like people died. So I found that out and I was like, I gotta say something. And they were like, no, not interested. Believe Reginald Rankin, okay?

Justice for Reginald Rankin. No, none of it. So Walker returns on May 8th with a promise of bail for love and love gives a short version of this story that he says he has. We're just, we're going with the criminal instead of the random witness, okay? Yep, yep. So according to Billy Love, he had been the driver

of the Red Volvo spotted on the yeah. So according to Billy Love, he had been the driver of the Red Volvo spotted on the night of Andrew Doyle's van, the night that it had been shot up. He claimed that it was his accomplice, Thomas Tambi Gray, who pulled the trigger. Now, Love claimed that the two had been paid by Tommy Campbell's brother-in-law, Thomas Laffordy, to destroy Doyle's van.

That very well could have been the truth, because Thomas Lafford, he was always given people money to do bad things. Of course. And Billy Love was like, you know Billy Love. Yeah. He was all about that. I believe maybe Billy Love was there that night

and like shot at the van. Yeah. I don't know about the rest. Yeah. So he adds that a few weeks later he was in the Netherfield bar and he overheard Tommy Campbell, Thomas Gray, Joseph Steele, and a few other men that he didn't know

talking about setting fire to the Doyle's front door, quote, just to give the him a fright. Okay. I don't know if you're like really big on organized crime that you're going to be talking about it, where people can hear you talk about it. Yeah, where people can go warn the person that you're talking about just like sitting there on fire in a random bar. Yeah, I don't know Maybe who knows his story seemed a little too easy almost too good to be true Yeah, but it fit a narrative that had begun to take shape in the local press Oh, yeah, it's always good when you come up with the story before you have any evidence. That's that's fine work Oh, just the best guitarie work. So the press, they were chasing down

and publishing any and all information they could on the Doyle family murders. Regardless of fact or accuracy, they didn't have a shit. According to Douglas Skeleton, it's Skeleton. I don't know why I'm saying it weird. The tabloids quote, we're talking about the infiltration of the ice cream trade by gangsters, often citing unnamed sources.

I mean, they go. Just running a muck. A muck, a muck, a muck. So not only did Billy Love's story fit the narrative quite nicely, it also implicated a number of local petty thugs, quote unquote, like Tommy Campbell and Thomas Lafferty, who were well known to be involved in the feud

between the Marquetti and 50s ice drivers, and the police wanted them off the street. Of course. It fits for everyone. Yeah. Now, the information from love led Walker to 23-year-old criminal Joseph Granger, who was an occasional associate of Tommy Campbell. Now, in April 23rd, so this is before Detective Walker gets the information from love.

Okay. Before he gets this whole story, Grainger gave police a detailed nine-page statement in which he confirms his association with Tommy Campbell and acknowledges Campbell's role in the ice cream van feud, but explicitly denied having been in the Netherfield bar, having participated in any conversations about setting fire to the Doyle's front door, or knowing anything about the murder of the Doyle family. Now his statement was critically important because among other things, he denied

having participated in the conversation at the Netherfield bar more than a week before Walker supposedly got that tip from Billy Love. Which raises the question, why would the police ask Joseph Granger about his presence in a bar and participation in a conversation that they didn't even know about yet? Yeah, that's strange. How did that work? How did that work?

Or was the paperwork just dated and correctly because you were lying? Mm. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So based on the information provided by Billy Love and their suspicions of Joseph Cranjure,

the police arrested Tommy Campbell, Joseph Steel, Thomas Gray, and Gary Moore on May 12th for the arson murders of the Doyle family. And nearly two weeks later, detectives re-interviewed Cranjure during which they claimed he broke down and started to sing like a canary. I bet.

I'm sure. Now, according to detectives, he admitted to his involvement in the fire at the Marquetti Brothers Garage, which he was driven to by Campbell and Gray, he said. Okay. Now, Grainger's statement claimed that they cut a hole through the roof

and poured gasoline from small bottles into the garage and then dropped lit matches and pieces of paper in to catch the gas. But interestingly, his statement made no mention of the gas can that was found by investigators outside of the building, which at the time was identified as the can from which the gas was poured.

Huh. They're like, oh, you forgot something. Yeah. Can you go back in that story real quick and add that in? Exactly. It's like the Jesse Muskely thing took the words right out of my mouth. Whenever he would, whenever he would like, slip up on a detail, but they had already created.

They'd be like, oh, did you mean that this entirely opposite thing of what you just saw happen? Did you forget that you also did that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Just go back and say what we said. Now, you said that this person tied the rope. Did you mean that you actually tied that, yeah, you did, right, okay, okay. Just go back and say what we said. Now you said that this person tied the rope. Did you mean that you actually tied that,

yeah, you did, right? That's it. So what you meant was that, you said you poured it from small bottles, but what you meant is the one that we found outside, right? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, that one, and they're like,

yeah, absolutely, it was that one, yeah. But the best part is they didn't even go, they didn't even like fix it. They were just, they were just like, they were admitting it. Yeah, whatever. Okay, that was a can out there, who gets you. We'll just throw that. Yeah, we're not. So finally, Granger's supposed statement got around to the night that he and the other men plan

to burn Doyle's front door. And a week later, he recalled the men dropping him off at home before they left to set the fire. So the statements from Granger in love appeared to be tying up a number of loose ends of unsolved crimes in the East End. Huh, who knew? Wow, what luck. And it also helped the police deal with a few troublesome characters from the neighborhood. Oh my goodness. And their case was only strengthened by statements made from a number of local teenagers,

including William Hamilton, who I would literally bet $0. I was just gonna say, wow, what a worthy source of information. Yeah. He confirmed the accused men's participation in the ice cream van feud and the attacks on vans and drivers He may be left out the part where he was completely involved. I was gonna say hello Mr. Hamilton, you know something else to say always so the detectives also managed to get Joseph Reynolds who sister was dating Gary Moore at the time of the fire, to identify Campbell and Moore as having shown up outside his sister's window shortly after the fire had been set.

So they're putting them all in the right places. Of course. So the ice cream wars in Glasgow's East End, they were violent, disruptive, destructive, but for the most part they were confined to a certain area and within a certain social group, and they rarely affected those outside of the Marquetti in 50s, firms. The murder of the Doyle family, on the other hand, really represented vaguely defined up a Demick of Crime

that outraged the public, and the public demanded that something be done. So pressure is being put on the police. Yeah. And then the tabloids in press only complicate things further because they're just sensationalizing all these stories. Of course. It's leading to an increase in social anxiety, panic, the residents want something to be done. But in reality, this was a feud between petty criminals that played out in a poor area of the city and people outside of the East

and rarely ever thought of this area or visited it. That's so wild. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's such an isolated area. But it sounds like this is just so massive and so everywhere and leaching into every part of everything. But when you really think about it, I'm sure there were most people around that were like, what? Yeah, I don't know. Nothing about that. That's can find there and like, we don't like, we don't talk about that. that. That's not for us. Wow. It's a class thing. And it's fucked that other people didn't want to get involved, you know? Like and stop it.

Not going to happen. Yeah. And continue it. Let's get involved. Let's do this. So in the wake of the fire, though, the feud between petty criminals was blown way out of proportion and dramatized. I don't even think this is.

Does that mean you say that dramatized? Yeah. Try like it. Dramatized you say that dramatized? Yeah, dramatized. Yeah, try like it, dramatized. Dramatized. Dramatized. I think it's dramatized. I think it is dramatized. Dramatized, as though it were a complicated mafia conspiracy. But under these circumstances, the arrest of Campbell

and his supposed accomplices served not only to neatly close this high profile case, but also as a demonstration of supposed action from law enforcement to address the growing crime waste. Yeah. Now between the negative public sentiment and basically like hysteria tabloid reporting, there was little chance of anybody getting a fair trial. Yeah.

When the case finally made its way to court, and that was on September 3rd, 1984. Tommy Campbell, Joseph Steele, Thomas Gray, and Gary Moore, all of them had maintained their innocence since there were arrests. But in the case involving the murder of a family, which also included a baby, it's really unlikely that anybody gave a shit

about what they were saying. No. No, also charged at the same time where George Reed, because Tommy Campbell had purchased his first fan from him. Oh, yeah. And John Campbell. Those charges actually would be dismissed not long after the trial started, but it's worth mentioning that they were players in the beginning of this.

Now, in total, there were 16 charges, ranging from intent to intimidate and disorderly conduct to arson and murder. The trial was six weeks long, and the Crowns lead prosecutor Michael Bruce painted a picture of basically a mafia style campaign of intimidation against Andrew Doyle and all the other marketing drivers which was led by Tommy Campbell. He's the frontman. Now through the testimony from literally hundreds of witnesses, Bruce presented a condensed timeline that started with Agnes Lafferty and Andrew Doyle's beginning the gar-

uh, fucking auto-correctal them. Garthum lock run. The Garthum lock. In the fall of 1983. It set off a pattern escalating violence against Marquetti drivers, but Doyle in particular, which then led to the murder of those six members

of his family on April 16th 1984. So on paper, the case against all these men definitely seemed like a slam dunk. Yeah. Thanks to the press, the public had already formed opinions of all these guys and their guilt or their innocence. Guilt. Guilt. So all Bruce really had to do was reinforce what they thought they already knew, support the narrative with evidence and statements to the police. But the problem was that a lot of the prosecution's case was built on criminals and other unsavory characters, making accusations and claims against other criminals and unsavory characters.

That's the thing. It's a piece that she said. Yeah. For instance, during an interview with the detectives, Agnes Lafferty's daughter Carol, I just said Carol. I just said Carol. Carol. Her name was Carol.

She told the police that she had seen Joe Steele quote, quote, carrying a big gun about two feet long in the days before Andrew Doyle's van was shot up. Now she said that like before the trial started. She said as much on the stand when she was called by Bruce to testify, but then she was cross-examined by Steele's lawyer, Donald Findlay, and she admitted, quote, she did not know very much at all because she was always full of drugs. Oh, all right. Like, she literally said that.

Yeah, I'm just always full of drugs. She was like, I don't actually know if I saw that because I'm always full of drugs. Oh, I probably didn't see that. Just the wording of that. Yeah. Pretty iconic. I'm always full of drugs. So I probably didn't see that. Just the wording of that. Yes. Pretty iconic. Now similarly, another witness for the crown, Gordon Ness, testified that he's steel and John Campbell were

paid to harass the Marquetti vans on the fall of 1983, and that the three of them frequently traveled together in Rukaze looking for their targets. Now like Carol Lafferty, Nessess also struggled with addiction and he later said that he'd been using heavily at the time and actually had trouble remembering the specifics of his previous statement. So not great witnesses. Not great. Now a few days into the trial, the prosecution's case took several more hits when key witnesses changed their stories, flat out rejected their previous statements to the police,

all of the above. Tony Coppano, who the police claimed, had admitted to being present during the first attack on Irene Mitchell's man, he testified that he had actually never admitted to such things that the police were lying. He was straight up lying. He said he was never present for the attacks. He was set up by the investigating officers. Oh.

Same thing in the kick-ins. Same thing in the case of Joseph Granger, who was singing like a canary about everything, and had a story that made no sense because things hadn't even happened yet that he was talking about. His statement was the one that all of these arrests were really largely based on, but he denied ever admitting anything to the police. He told the jury, I swear by my mother's life that I had fuck all to do with that fire.

Wow. Yeah. All right. What a statement. I swear my mother's life that I had fuck all to do with that fire. Wow. No, that fires, excuse me. Damn.

Now, like Hamilton had done on the stand before him, Granger testified that he'd never given the incriminating statements to the police. All he did was sign them after having been threatened and bullied. And in addition to those threats, he claimed that the officers, quote, pulled his hair, jostled him, kicked him in the shins, and assaulted him even more prior to him

agreeing to sign statements. Him. Which like, I believe. So I believe. I definitely believe that. So the prosecution really wasn't like living their best life. No like I believe. I believe. I definitely believe that. So the prosecution really wasn't like living their best life. No, definitely not. And then they were dealt another blow on the seventh day of trial when another key witness, Billy Love. Billy Love took the stand to test to either for the crown. Now Detective Superintendent Walker's case had been built pretty largely also

on statements from Love who told a similar story when he was questioned by Bruce Underoth. But then he was questioned by Laffordy's attorney John Smith and his story started to change. He had testified that there had been no inducements or promises made by the prosecution or investigators in exchange for his testimony. But when Smith pushed back, Love applied, I was told I probably would not be charged. Wow. Hello. Wow.

So he literally told them everything they wanted to hear just so he could get out of jail. And then he was like, no, that's not what happened. And then he gets a little push back and he's like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, that's actually exactly it. So the more and more they pushed him, the more historian ravalled. And his truthfulness ended up being called into question. But since all these men were being tried together,

love was subjected to cross-examination from every defense attorney. Damn. One was poking additional holes in his story. The other was poking more holes. Oh, man. Just kept going until Tommy Campbell's attorney, Donald's McCauley finally suggested

that Billy Love had been lying all along and had simply gone along with the information that he was being fed by the detectives in order to get himself out of jail. Boom. So in their closing arguments, the defense attorneys for the accused men rested their cases, reminded the jury that the case against their clients was basically all on speculation

and supposed statements from people who under oath fully denied giving those students. Like, come on. It was a compelling argument and it was backed up by the seriously limited physical evidence and testimony given on stand during the trial. But it was also an argument that was easily undermined by the prosecution who told the jury, quote, it is only if you accept the evidence of the accused that you could agree with the defense's submission.

So the judge in the case, Lord Cancray. I just love. I'm loving all of this. Lord Cancray. All these names. He had similar closing remarks for the jury. He said of the defense's argument that the jury would have to accept, quote, not one or two or four, but a large number of detectives had deliberately come here to purge with themselves

to build up a false case against an accused person. Whoa. Yeah. Wild. So what do you think is going to happen here? Do you think they're going to get off? Do you think they're gonna get off or do you think they're gonna get convicted? I'm not looking.

I'm covering anyone. She's covering the screen. I don't think I still think they're gonna get convicted. You do? Yeah, because I think there's like a greater play at that work here. Correct. Oh, I am.

On October 9th, 1984, the jury retired to begin with their deliberations and that spilled over into the following day. And then the following day, they finally come back with their verdict. Thomas Campbell found guilty of murder and sentence to life in prison. Yeah. With the possibility, excuse me, with the recommendation that he served 20 years. Wow.

He was also found guilty of the shotgun attacked on Andrew Doyle prior to the fire and sentenced to years in prison to be served concurrently with his previous sentence. Holy shit. Joseph Steele was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment, also found guilty of conspiracy to assault a van driver and a vandalizing the Marquetti vans and he was sentenced to six years and one year respectively to be served concurrently. I feel like they should all be charged

with conspiracy to commit an act of violence against a van driver. 100%. Like, should they all just get slapped with that immediate, like all of them across the board? You would think. Yeah. But not all of them were.

Thomas Gray was found guilty of the attempted murder of Andrew Doyle in the shotgun attack and he was sentenced to 14 years in prison. Thomas Lafferty was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder for the shotgun attack on Andrew Doyle, sentenced to three years in prison. George Reed was convicted on a lot of lesser charges, including a knife assault on a driver,

vandalism, stuff like that. He was sentenced to three years. And John Campbell was convicted of vandalism, conspiracy to commit murder for the shotgun attack, and he received a sentence of one and three years respectively to be served concurrently. Damn. Yeah. So all in all Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele and really Thomas Gray got like the heavy assentances, but definitely Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele. Wow. Got like really intense sentences. So in the end, the verdicts really had little to do with evidence and testimony

presented at trial and really everything to do with the reputations of the accused and what they represented to society. Each of the six accused in the case, all of them were violent men. They had extensive criminal histories and they were young too. So it was like really yeah it spoke to absolutely for Joseph steel criminality was just a way of life. It was actually handed down to him by his older brothers and their father. It was kind of just like the family's way of life. You know, yeah. Now, Regime Kay who wrote a book with Tommy Campbell acknowledged the past. He actually referred to Joseph Steele as, quote, a low-life crook who would rob your granny's meter.

Damn. But he said he's always believed that the men were innocent victims of a police conspiracy to close a high profile case. Wow. I kind of believe that too. Yeah. I think possibly some of them were involved in this,

but I'm like, I don't know if I can. I don't think it all adds up to what they said. Not all of it. So in simple terms, these were bad dudes who committed countless acts of violence and brutality, but a lot of people doubted whether or not they were responsible for the Doyle family members. Over the years, Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele

did their best to keep attention on the case and tried to get the ruling overturned. Steele actually escaped from Barrelini prison multiple times, damn. One time he escaped, he made it to Buckingham Palace and superglueed himself to the gates. I'm literally obsessed with that fact. Same. That is the most unhinged shit I have ever heard. Certainly is. Super glued himself to the gates of Buckingham Palace. But was ultimately returned to prison. Oh, oh, he was. Yeah. That didn't work for him.

Yeah. He was like, he's not still there. Super glued to Buckingham Palace. No, sorry. Wow. Super glue. I'm like, where'd you get super glue? And what did you do?

Just like, smear it all over and then you just, whoop, stick yourself on there. I know. I wonder if you put it like like smear it all over and then you stick yourself on there. I know. I wonder if you put it like on his clothes first. Or did he put it on the bars first? Looking first. Let's ask him the bar or the clothes. I don't know. Wow. Now the two of them also filed numerous appeals and they were actually allowed out on bail in December of 1996. Wow. While the appeals court reconsidered their case following Bill Loves 1992 confession that He had lied to the detectives in 1984 shocked. Yeah, he said he quote Invented a conversation between Campbell and Steel and allowed them to take the blame for his own action and shooting out of

Van Winskreen. There you go So he was the one who shot through it. He was actually the one and he's like I just want somebody else. Yeah, exactly nice Billy love. So the court of Criminal Appeals in Edinburgh, and they reviewed the case, and they actually upheld the initial ruling, saying there had been, quote, no reasonable explanation as to why a key witness who now claims he lied during the original trial

has changed his mind. Guilt. Yeah, I was gonna say. But then the case was appealed again in 2004 after having been selected for review by Scotland's criminal cases review commission, which is quote, a body set up to examine alleged miscarriages of justice,

which I believe this was. The case was chosen when Brian Clifford, who's a professor of psychology at the University of East London, he was chosen to review the evidence and he discovered quote, a statement said to review the evidence and he discovered, quote, a statement said to have been made by Mr. Campbell to police after his arrest was written in the notebook of all, notebooks of all four officers with a high degree of similarity.

Wow. So that meant four officers sat there and wrote a fake statement in their notebooks. And they were like, we'll just say that this is Tommy Campbell's statement. Oh my God. Why would you all write down his statement to get that? That's so fucked up. No.

So Clifford concluded that it would have been highly unlikely that all four of them would have been able to recall that statement with the same level of detail, which led him to believe that at least in this one instance, a statement had been fabricated, which if one statement has been fabricated. There's more. Exactly. Well, the string, the whole sweater will unravel. So you're reviews the entire case and the commission determined that officers never

had probable cause to arrest or sufficient evidence to convict Campbell or Steel. Damn. And the conviction was overruled, which allowed both of them to go for a case. Oh, shit. In 2004. In 2004, it's overturned. Tommy Campbell actually died from natural causes in June of 2019 though. Oh damn. Yeah. And as of now, the murder of the Doyle family

remains unsolved, but it is considered an open matter. Wow. And that is the case of Glasgow's ice cream war ice cream van wars. Just wow. I did not see. I did not foresee all of that. No one did.

I did not. No one did. I didn't know what I foresaw, but I did not foresee that. And how sad is it that like an entire family? I think family was brutally brutally killed for an ice cream route. Yeah. Like an ice cream route. Yeah. Like an ice cream route.

So just so somebody else could make better money. That's horrific. It's so sad. And I think whoever went there that day and did do that, I don't think they intended to kill that family. It does sound like that is something, and that must be like a thing.

Like you like the door on fire. Right. Kind of thing. And it just seems like it was just bad. And it was the door next to their front door, so I think it was supposed to be like a scare tactic. Yeah, like a little your door on fire. Exactly.

Don't fuck with me. But like maybe don't like things and don't do some fire. But like don't do some fire. I was going to say that's bad. Like don't intimidate people because that's also the law. Yeah, and it's like, of course, it's a fucking house. If you like the door on fire, the whole thing might go up, you idiots. It's like, I do from the sounds of all of it. And I would hope this would be the case

that that was all that was intended was intimidation and lighting that door on fire. Right. But wow, what a terrible tragedy that followed. Seriously. And it's like, who did it? I know who the fuck did it. I don't know. And maybe they did do it. Yeah. And all of them did do it. But it was just that the police didn't go about the investigation in the world. Yeah, they didn't correctly.

Yeah, they're who's to say. The evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable thought. Mm-hmm. Who's to say? Wow. But that's the case of the Glasgow ice cream wars. What a tale. Not food, networking at all.

Not at all. No, it's not what that is. Yeah, but with all that being said, we do hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that ice cream vans do this because no, thank you. I just want the sponge Bob one with the eyeballs that are dumb. There you go. Yeah. Bye. Thank you. Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.

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