Morbid - Episode 45: Robert Hansen Part 2

Episode Date: February 13, 2019

It's the conclusion to our dive into Robert Hansen, the Alaskan serial murderer who hunted women like animals and got away with it for a while thanks to his bakery being a town favorite. Yes, you read that right. This guy is a real turd. Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/robert-hansen   Butcher, Baker: The True Account of an Alaskan Serial Killer by Walter Gilmore See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid. Full length morbid. Full length. Full length morbid. Fulings. Fulings. Fulings. Fulings. Welcome back everybody. Welcome back, bitches. Welcome back to another installment of Robert Hansen. Yay. That guy from Alaska. He can see... wait, what can he say from his house?

What you said? I was going to say Nebraska. He can see Russia from his back porch. Yeah, exactly. We had a few people who were super psyched about an Alaskan case. We have some Alaskans, some super psyched. Well, happy to please you. So, hey Alaskans that were super psyched. We're glad that we could give you this. Hey Alaska. Hey Alaska. We got to thank some patronuses.

Let's do it. Let's do this. You're going to hear my paper, but it's to thank you. Soesses. Let's do it. Let's do this. You're going to hear my paper, but it's to thank you. So just, it was it. In the Weirdos category this week, we have a Madonna named Olivia. Yes. Olivia, so hot right now. Yes, I live for that every time.

Thank you, Olivia. Thank you, Madonna. Olivia. Thank you so much. And she's the lone Weirdo this time. Oh, I love when it's just a lone weirdo too. We're all a bunch of lone weirdos. It's true. In the window latch in Kevin we have Grace Hubert. Grace Hubert. Thank you so much. Grace Hubert. Thank you. Your last name was fun to write. It was like, spree-le-toyly.

Then we have Jeannie. I'm really sorry, girl. Kernishan. I'ma say. Jeannie or Jeannie? It was J-A-N-I-E. Oh, Jeannie Kernishan? Yes. Jeannie Kernishan.

You are just everything that's right in the universe right now. You're pulled a saw all together. Thanks, Jeannie. So I appreciate it. And then we have... Rupje Aini, sorry. Then we have Rebecca Darling. Rebecca Darling, you're damn darling.

Oh my God, how did you come up with that? I know, that was really crazy. Rebecca Darling. Thanks, Darling. Thanks, Darling, you're the best. Then we have Alia Muglofflin. Alia Muglofflin. Tell the story, tell the story.

Not only do you have a great first name because it's one of the best singers, like R and B singers ever, R.I.P. But second, your last name is my husband's favorite last name on planet Earth. Like he loves the last name Mugloff, which is the funniest thing in the entire world. So you have a special place in my heart right now. You do, thanks, Alia. Thank you so much, Alia. Then we have Katie McKeon.

Katie McKeon. Maybe. McKeon. You're the the bees neon. Yeah, if I said your last name right, that works perfectly. And then, Thanks so much.

Yes, thank you, Katie. And the evil onion category, we have Delaney Hall. Delaney Hall, I know Ash has a special place in her heart for you. Listen, Delaney, you have my favorite name ever. It's the best name in the world. I wanna name one of my kids, Delaney,

but Annie says no because there was this one girl that she didn't like named Delaney. So it ruins it for all the other Delaney's in the world. But I bet you're fucking rad. Yeah, I bet she's not that Delaney. She's not. No. So thank you so much, Delaney.

Thanks, Delaney. And then we have, Dina, I'm sorry if I mess your last name up. Guys, you have hard last name this week. Dina, Marcio, I'm gonna say. Dina, I'm sorry if I mess your last name up guys. You have hard last name this week. Dina Merchio, I'm gonna say Dina Merchio. Yeah, you're the I thought I had something there, but I don't you're not good at it. But you know what Dina Merchio. Geo. You're the best. Yeah Totally and then we have the jagged little bitch. It's really tired. It's late. Yeah, it is We have a jagged little bitch named Brittany with an eye, which is so cute.

Huddlet. Britney Huddlet or hoodlite. Or hoodlite. Sorry. I just think you're wonderful. I think you're great. Thank you. You're everything you need to be.

You too, us. Sure. And more. Then you've exceeded our expectations, Brittany Hoodlet, so we appreciate you. Absolutely did, Brittany. I couldn't ask for more. Thank you, Brittany. Thank you.

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So relevant, Amcrem, the most relevant, relevant woman. We say this because quick little little joky time, when she didn't see my kids for a little while, she was worried that they would not think she was relevant anymore, and this was when they were like 18 months old. She was so worried. So we constantly have to tell Marissa that she's relevant. Thanks all the Patreon's. We could not be able to do this without you.

Thank you so much, Patronus'. You're the best. And just as a little note, if you have donated to the Patreon, and you have yet to hear your name shouted out tonight, or any other night, on any other episode, then let us know because we just figured out that we possibly aren't getting all the notifications of Patreons, we might be, but we might not be. So we just want to cover all our bases here,

make sure that everyone's getting a shout out. So if you haven't heard your name and you've donated, tell us. DM us, email us, yell it really loud from your porch and we'll fix it. We'll make it right for you. We'll make it right, guys. So I think we don't have any other biz-nastu attend to. So why don't we just jump into the Alaskan Wilderness to grab our hands in? Oh, I just jumped. Woo. I jumped into the Wilderness.

Woo. That's the noise you make when you jump. Woo. Oh, there, let's do this. It kind of feels like the Alaskan Wilderness tonight actually because we're gonna really really hope and pray that my boss doesn't make us go to work tomorrow but I really really doubt it. I do too but I'm gonna think good thoughts for you. So without further ado Robert Hanson. When we talked about him last week I think we left off with his first couple of victims that he actually ended up murdering.

We talked about Roxanne Eastlin. We talked about a glutinate anni or a clutinate anni. I'm not exactly sure to say that. We talked about Joanna Messina. And then we talked about Lisa Futrell. And then we said there was a whole year between Lisa and the next victim. So the next victim was found on September 12th, 1982. From here, I know we're going to try to talk about when they were found, because we don't have a whole lot of information about all the 17 that we have. So we're just going to kind of hit the ones that we know about. We're going to talk about when they were found and do it that way. So we're kind of in the timeline we need to be in because I don't want to jump all over. So the next victim was found on September 12, 1982. Hunters found her in a shallow grave on the

banks of the Kinnick River. I don't know if it's Kinnick or Nick. Someone from Alaska tell me. It borders Anchorage. Her remains were identified as 23-year-old topless dancer Sherri Moro. She had been reported missing a whole year earlier. Oh, wow. They found that she had been shot in the back three times. And cartridges were found near her body that were from a 223-ruger, or Ruger. I don't know guns, guys. Don't yell at me. I don't know.

Rugger? I think it is mini-14 hunting rifle. Now that's what she ended up being shot with, a hunting rifle. Now weirdly, her body was found fully closed, but there were no bullet holes in her clothing. So obviously she was nude when she was shot and was dressed before she was buried. Interesting. Which is really creepy and weird. I'm surprised to even dress her. Right? It's just so weird.

So later, it was determined that the night before she had disappeared, she had told a friend that some dude offered her a $300 for a nude photo shoot. Now, $300 is a lot of money. She ended up being driven, and obviously it was Robert Hanson. She ended up being driven to an abandoned lean-to in the wilderness by Robert Hanson with an ace bandage wrapped around her eyes.

Oh. So how creepy does that sound? Hate that. Like not even a regular band, like just bandana or rounders of an ace bandage. Like that, I don't know why bit, like just been Dan R. Rander is a bit an ace bandage. Like that. I don't know why that just gives me the willies. He did this, he said, because he didn't want her to, that okay. So his whole thing is that he's always saying that he never intended to kill these girls.

Like he was always going into this with the intention of he was going to do whatever he wanted to do. And then they were the ones that went bat shit Stopped listening to him panicked and he ended up he was like I had to kill them, but you like it He like totally put it on them like he totally put it on them So he said he did this Because he didn't want her to see where they were he said because he was planning on letting her go And he didn't want her to be able to find this location again because he wanted to use this location again Jesus

Yeah, he's a sicker. So I know so he ended up getting his SUV stuck in the snow Which he does a lot. I'm like dude You're like maybe get some snow tires if you're really gonna make murder your fucking hunting game Smooth the situation out maybe like throw some chains around the tires, do what you gotta do, but like you're gonna go to mission. She'll end her day. She'll end her day. Like he really is a dork. He can't even drive a car.

Do that right. Yeah, like he's like, oh good, look. So he gets out, he's trying to get the car go and he's messing around with it. Sherry is smart, so she runs out of the car, but she's blind-hope-folded and has her hands tied up. Oh, fuck. And it's pitch black in the Alaskan wilderness. Well, obviously she did not get super far, so he got her and he said that he watched her run around and scream for a little while, and then just shot her in the back. How fucking sick is that? Also, what if I'm like... I'm like... I'm like... I'm like... Right? and then just shot her in the back. How fucking sick is that?

Also, I'm like, right? And I'm just picturing that. Like him just sitting there, like enjoying watching her run around and scream blindfolded in the Alaskan wilderness, and he's just standing there with a rifle. Yeah, that's just, like, that's seen alone. I'm like, yeah.

Like, you need serious, serious psychiatric treatments, sir. Yeah, it just seems like the scariest scene you could ever conjure up. He then ended up stealing a very distinctive gold arrow head necklace of hers, which ended up being one of the things that nailed him to the wall later. Because he was again, think about it it he's a hunter by by trade and by all accounts he was a really good hunter he was in like several of those books with records and all that so he's going to take trophies that's what hunters do you're not hunting just to leave the animal there like whoa

it was fun see you later like his whole his whole house was covered in animal trophies. I mean, there was antlers everywhere, heads everywhere, just animal parts. Yikes. And so of course, he's gonna take trophies from his human victims, you know? But I think he's just, this is all he can do is just steal the IDs and all that.

So, which is like the worst thing you could do. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know what to get caught, could do. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know what it's like. Like, to get caught, I mean. Yeah, it's just like, that's the thing. I'm like, you must know other killers, like, read other true crime things. If you're a serial killer, you have to at least know one other case of this. You know what I mean? Like, you're not totally in a vacuum here.

So it's like, you must know that any time that they do that, it nails them to the wall later. Like it connects you to the case in a second. Right. So it's just dumb. And it's like narcissistic and it's egotistical. It's arrogant. Because they think that they're going to be the ones to be able to do it and get away with it. Well, that's the whole thing about like being a serial killer is you're just like narcissistic as fuck. And you like think that you're gonna be the one that doesn't get caught. Exactly. Like you are. You are. You're already gonna be the one that got caught. You pooped, the pooped. So in the year between Sherry being taken and her being found that whole year, he had already killed three more women.

Shit. So we had four in that year? Just in that year. Just in that year. And he already had about three before that. So, it wasn't until 1983 that he really started getting looked at as a dangerous asshole. So this is the thing I was talking to everybody about basically how he gets caught. And they do it, it's like the main story in that movie Frozen Ground, the Frozen Ground or whatever it is. I think Vanessa Hutchins, yeah. Vanessa Hutchins.

Vanessa Hutchins plays this girl. On June 13th, 1983, 17 year old Cindy Paulson ended up escaping from Hanson. Oh, shit, motherfucker. Exactly. And she escaped while he was trying to load her into his Piper Super Cub plane to drive her out into the woods. A plane?

Yes. Because this dude has a plane. And airplane is like a swap plane. No, like a natural small pipe, a pipe club is like a small single engine plane. Polly shit. Yeah, No joke. So she told police that he had offered her $200 to perform um Philecio, but that when she got into the car, he pulled a gun

on her and drove her to his home in Maldun. Where was his wife? I don't think his wife is like I don't really know. They don't really like mention where she is during all this or anything. I don't know if he did this when she was visiting family. I don't know if she like it's very odd. But she really didn't know. Weird. So so yeah she so he drives her back to the home in Maldon. Once there, he basically holds her captive and he ends up torturing, raping her, beating her. And then he chains her by the neck to a post in the basement.

Oh my God, of his home. Yes. And there's pictures, I believe I posted photos of his basement, it's just all these antlers I believe I posted photos of his basement It's just all these antlers and light dead in with that was just like it's just creepy as hell Yeah, fuck that and then he just took a nap on the couch nearby After he chained her up by the night. Well, you know, it's really tiring work. It is. It's really tough to torture someone so So she said she she tried to get out of the restraints. She couldn't get out. He woke up. He gets her out of the restraints.

He puts her in his car and took her to Merrill Field Airport, where he told her that he was going to, quote, take her out to his cabin. Now, this cabin was a shack in the, again, Kinnick or Nick River area of the Matanuska Valley, and it was only accessible by boat or bush plane. So you can drive there. You had to take a boat or you had to take a little, a little plane. Yeah. Now, he told her he was going to take her there, but he said, don't worry, I'm going to have you back home by 11 a.m. the next day.

So like, you're going to live, I'm going to let you go. I'm just not done with you yet. So Cindy obviously is like yeah, that this is he's not go fuck yourself like I'm not an idiot So she's crouched in the back seat of the car with her wrists cuffed in front of her and She said that Hanson was loading the airplanes cockpit with all their stuff and he was trying to get the like the like, because I think it's like a two-seater or something, or like maybe a four-seater. It's one of those really tiny ones. And he was trying to get one of the plane seats up in the upright position.

And he could do it because he said while he was doing that, he left, he had his back to her. So he said while his back was turned, she crawled out of the back seat open to the driver's side door and ran towards 6.7. Yo. So she later told police also that she had left her blue sneakers on the passenger side floor of the the back seat of his car because she said that she left them there so she could say see I was in that car. Holy shit.

How smart. Which I'm like in that car. Holy shit, how smart. Which I'm like, wow, that's smart. Wicked smart. And it almost didn't help her, because wait until how, you see how dumb these police are. So Hanson saw that she was running, and he panicked and started chasing her. But she made it to sixth avenue first,

and it was flagging down a truck. Oh my God. Now while he's chasing her, someone in the airport, like, I think it was a security guard, saw him running, didn't see her, but saw him running, like, frantically, and like caught eyes with him. And Hanson said he stopped as soon as he saw that

and just kind of like slowed down and then turned around and walked back to the plane, like, because he was like, this guy's gonna think, I'm up to something. Well, he probably already does. Now that since he saw you like, you're like, chilled right now. Exactly. And now he's used your just chilling out really quick and just walking calmly back to like, he's like, he's a module. What was this dude doing? So the truck that stopped for Cindy was a driver named Robert Yunt and he was obviously like what the hell so but he stopped and picked her up. He drove her to the mush in and she said she

jumped out of the truck and just ran inside. Oh my god. Now she said she pleaded with the clerk to phone her her boyfriend slash Pim who was at the Big Timber Motel and the truck driver drove away because he was like, I don't know what to do, but he called police to report this because she was like so frantic that she just got out of the car and ran into the motel. Right. And he was like, uh, like, do you want me to do anything? So he was like, he called the police and was like, hey, so I just picked up this, you know,

barefooted handcuffed woman who said that this dude like was trended, I killed her and assaulted her, tortured her. So the Anchorage Police Department officers arrived at the machine where she was dropped off. They were told that she had taken a cab to the Big Timber Motel where her pimple was staying. Officers arrived at room 110 of the Big Timber Motel and found her still handcuffed in just alone in the room. She was taken down to the headquarters and she- Why was she alone? I don't know. Oh, I know why he was alone. At first I said the same thing. I was like, why was she alone? I thought that like the boyfriend slash pimple was supposed to be in the room, but what happened was she got there

Told him the whole story and he went looking for Robert Hanson. He went looking for him like a gun Like was gonna go kill him literally went to go kill him at the airport. It was like That's a good Pimp. That's a good thing. So Pimp, boy from bed. Steadie, piss. So when she got brought back to the APD headquarters, she described who took her and it was Robert Hansen. And she said it's Robert Hansen. Of course, Hansen was taken in and questioned and he denied the whole thing. And he said that Cindy was just trying to get, just trying to cause some trouble for him because he wouldn't pay her extortion demands. Oh, so he was like, she's just trying to get, just trying to cause some trouble for him because he wouldn't pay her extortion demands.

So he was like, she's just trying to get money. She's a sex worker. Why are you listening to her? Because that was his MO. That's great. Because if you remember in part one, it was always his word against the sex worker and the police department was always like,

we're going to take this fine baker's word. Like, well, even that woman who he followed home, didn't she report to police and they were like, and they did some, I mean, they did more with that one than they did with the other ones, but they really were not taking the word of these, of sex workers here. He even let them into his home without a warrant. Like, he was like, go ahead, search, because he was like, he didn't think he's arrogant. He didn't think they were going to find anything because he had apparently, because he was like he didn't think he's arrogant. He didn't think they were gonna find anything because he had apparently so he used like a I think like a hook and I like a an eyelet hook to chain her to the pole in the basement and

When she let when she pieced out and ran he went home and pulled that hook out and putty the up the hole So it wasn't there anymore. So he thought like they can't even pin on that. Like even if she said that, I'll be like, there's nothing. Whoa. Yeah, he's insane. Mastermind. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondery's podcast American scandal.

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And what's even crazier is obviously Hanson had had a few run-ins with the law. I mean, he had stolen shit and all that stuff. So he had been brought in many times, so it was on his record. Well, the department, the APD, was in the process of transferring their computer system to a new one, so none of his priors showed up. So basically, when they looked up his record, it looked like he was squeaky clean. So this is when the police were like, huh, I think we should question the sex workers at story instead of hits. So they asked her to take a polygraph.

I don't know. You can't him. They asked her to take a polygraph. Dude, what is wrong with this world? She was obviously and rightfully really pissed off and was like, no, I'm not taking one. Like I told you everything. I told you.

This is ridiculous. If you're not going to believe me, then why would I do this? Now remember she had, I mean, she had injuries that proved that something had happened and she described every bit of his car, his plane, his home, and his face to them. And he had a distinctive face. He had acne scars. He had a stutter. He had the glasses. I mean, so the investigation was closed. Nothing happened. That is until detective Glenn Floth, I think it is, of the Alaska State troopers decided to become involved

because he was like, wait a second, something is a rye here. Now, Floth. You said his name was Glenn. Yes, detective Glenn Floth. So, Glen's always know what's good. Glen's are always on the forefront of everything. Glen's are like out of the game. Glen's be no one. Glen's do be no one. They really do. And this Glen was already part of the team that was that was investigating the discovery of the bodies that we talked

about before. And they were finding all these women in and around Anchorage, and he was part of the team that was investigating this. Now in September 1983, troopers ended up finding the body of Paula Golding. It was in a wooded area near the Kinnck or Nick River, and it was only accessible by Poeter Plane. So this is, that's a big thing because it's like bodies don't just end up in places that you can't drive to. So, right, exactly. That the scene they found the same shell casings that were at the other body dumps. And suddenly, they were all becoming connected.

So Glen was the one who started to connect all the missing sex workers from the previous couple of years as well. Because he started going down a list of missing sex workers that were just not being investigated. And he started connecting that way to second. These might be these girls. He ended up with a victim list of 10 names that were missing. All of them were in their 20s, between 5'4 and 5'7. They all had jobs as topless dancers at one

point. And they all had conveniently had very high-paying dates arranged with complete strangers before going missing. So can you guess who that stranger might have been? No, I have no idea. I know I'm not laying the breadcrumbs well. So luckily I know it sounds like the Alaska Police Department are completely hopeless but they're not totally right. They're like the LAPD of the wilderness but they're not they right they're like the LAPD of the wilderness but they're not they're not completely helped. An investigator on the APD named Craig Baker apparently was horrified by how the whole thing was handled in his department and he joined the investigation with Glenn so Greg Glenn are on the

case. Now because he needed a search warrant, he decided to go outside the box for this. And he contacted the FBI, and he talked to special agent Roy Hazelwood, and he requested that he help him form a criminal psychological profile based on these three bodies that they were covered. This was like a not normal or like this was not a

common thing to do back then. Like this was pretty outside the box to ask the FBI to do a psychological profile because it was fairly new. I mean even doing profiling was fairly new. So I think profiling is so interesting. Wait until you hear how much they I don't know how they did this because it's literally Hanson. Like they, I don't know how they did it. It's like psychic. It's magic. So Roy Hazelwood, the special agent that was coming up with the criminal profile, thought that the killer would be an experienced hunter with low self esteem.

Have a history of being rejected by women and would feel compelled to keep souvenirs of his murders such as jewelry and all that. He also said that he might stutter. Literally said he might stutter which blows my mind. Like why did he think that? I don't know how it works man It's it's it's like an art. I have no idea how he pulled that out But in obviously this I would love to be able to profile. It's crazy to me. It's like unbelievable that probably makes your dating game so much Oh, yeah, you can profile everybody. I'd be profiling Everybody knows he's a nope He's gonna buy me steak. Yeah

That's what you would use if the common good. Fuck yeah. The greater good. The greater good. So they used this profile and they started investigating possible subjects until they got to Hanson. Who weirdly? And they were like not the first person he thought of?

Well, they were like he fits this perfectly,-owns of plane and had been investigated before. And we have like 450 people being like, hey, he did this. Now, in the meantime, troopers were also comparing tire tread marks at crime scenes and like, in and out of crime scenes. And they were matching tires that were on Hanson's plane because the tires on Hanson's plane were like very specific tires that like only he had.

So they were already starting to connect all this. So they had Paul Cindy Paulson's testimony. They had Hazelwood's criminal profile. And so Glen and the APD were able to get a search warrant to search Hanson's plane cars in home. So on October 27th, 1983, they went to his house. They started looking. They uncovered jewelry belonging to some of the missing women. And an array of firearms in a corner hideaway of Hanson's attic. So in his attic, in like insulation, he had belonging to some of the missing women and an array of firearms in a corner hideaway of Hanson's attic. So in his attic in like insulation he had hidden this jewelry and they found it. Like one of the investigators happened to go up

there and start looking through it and boom he found it. Now they also found an aviation map with little X marks on it in various areas and it was hidden behind Hanson's headboard on his bed Where he slept with his wife literally sleeping in No, and they compared it with the four murders that they were ready to tie to him They matched where the bodies were found exactly. Oh, no, but didn't you say how many were there? There were 20 more x's on the map. Oh good. So among the items that they found in his home, he had kept a fish necklace that had been custom made for the victim, Andrea Altieri. So this was like a custom made necklace.

They could not like, you know, mistake it for anybody else. Right. And at the end of this, I'm going to name the victims because I haven't named them all yet. So I just want to make sure I get their names out there, but I'll do it at the end of this, I'm gonna name the victims, because I haven't named them all yet, so I just want to make sure I get their names out there, but I'll do it at the end. Now, this case, actually, this is just a little aside. It also set a legal precedent in 1983, where psychological profiling was used as the main basis for issuing search warrants. So this was like a precedent, so that's kind of cool.

Now, there were a couple of people who still gave him an alibi. And what is wrong with those people? But when the cops talked to them and said what they had found in his home, all of a sudden they were both like, well fuck, we lied. Like, they literally were like, whoops, we don't want to go to jail forever, so we lied. Sorry. And it's like how you were ready to die for this dude. Like that's what it's like to me.

And like what did he even do for you? Exactly. I think he baked them delicious baked goods. I mean, I like baked goods. I don't know if I'm ready to lie for them though. Betty Crocker, aisle six. I didn't make your own brownie. I mean, I loved baked goods, but I don't know if,

and if I can formulate or materialize an alibi for them. I can not. I just don't think it's worth it. Now, Hanson was arrested, and he was charged with assault kidnapping multiple weapons offenses, and theft and insurance fraud. Now, that last charge was related to a claim filed with the insurance company where he said Somebody had stolen a ton of his like animal heads and He said like someone came in stole all his animal heads from his cabin or his house and

The insurance company gave him like an absurd amount of money. They gave him something like $10,000 for it or something and he used it to buy that plane So he bought that plane with a stolen insurance come money now when confronted with the evidence found in his home He denied denied denied, but then eventually when it became they were like dude We literally have everything He was like, okay, I did it, but it's the women's fault Totally, which is like okay in cell. Okay. Yeah, like classic in cell handsome and then he tried to just say That it was their fault because if they had just stayed calm and didn't panic He wouldn't have had to kill them. You know like just stay calm

While I let you loose in the middle of the woods Yeah, I'm to you like an animal and that's the thing. It's like calm down. Just stay calm like chill some people play Twister and Scrabble I play hunt people like I play the most dangerous game. I don't understand what the problem is here You are really high-strung Like it's it's all good. Yeah, and yeah, it's all good. Yeah. It's all good, Sharon. It's fine. So during a 12-hour sit-down with a prosecutor, he gradually let out what his life was that he concealed from his entire family. He started confessing to each item of evidence as it was presented to him. So they would be like, here's the necklace and he was like, yep, like that. I took that.

My God. And then he topped it off by admitting to a spree of attacks against women, not just the ones that they were presenting to him, but he said it started in 1971. Holy. Now this was in 1983. So he was like, oh, I've been doing this for a while. He's like, you idiots. He said his earliest victims were young women usually between 16 and 19 and not sex workers.

These were women that he somehow just picked up and got into his car. And it was their fault too. It was their fault too. He also said he raped some 30 women and murdered as many as 21. Wow. Some reports say 37 That's disgusting. But obviously they've not all been found are confirmed. He would kidnap them The same MMO bring him back to his home where he shackled him in his basement room known as his den Bye. The women were shackled by their arms, legs, and necks. He would sexually assault them for as long as he wanted to. And then

often he would make it so that they were too weak to fight back. Like that was his plan. He would do it until he was like, you're sufficiently weak. When it was over, when he was over it, he would then put them into his small bush plane and bring them out to the wilderness. So he was literally flying victims into the Alaskan wilderness after he tortured and raped them. And then let them go into the middle of the woods of Alaska. And like we said, hunt them down, like animals. Sometimes reports said sometimes for days at a time.

What? Yeah. Before fatally shooting them in all cases, he shot. I think he only stabbed one. No. Okay. Yeah. He was extremely detached from these women, obviously, as humans.

Like, you have to be to do that. But like, he was, he made it very clear. He actually referred to his murders as quote, a summertime project in an interview. Like buddy, you're not cleaning out the garage. Like a summertime project. Why? You're not like Marie condoing your house for the summer. That's not what that is. Like you're not tidying up. You're not tidying up. So he reminds me so much of like BTK. Like he had the way he had kids. They had no freaking clue.

And he's just doing this as a summertime project. Or like Ted Bundy. Yeah. It's true. Like tons of friends. Yeah. Because he had a girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah.

But with BTK, it's like he was married for decades and had kids. Yeah, the marriage thing is different Yeah, it's like you're living in a house like someone that would be like John suddenly being revealed to be a serial killer I'd be like whoa, what oh, I meant to tell you know, I'm just kidding. I found some peanut out Like that would blow my brain apart like I always think about that with like BTK's wife and stuff I'm like man. That must just I Don't even know where to go with that Yeah, I can't even put myself in it. It's crazy. So Hanson did enter a plea bargain After ballistics tests did match the bullets found at the crime scenes to his rifle specifically

So once that piece of evidence He well, he was like, all right, cool. The plea bargain. So in eight, 1984, he pleaded guilty to the forehomicide. The police had evidence for, which is morrow, macena, golding, and a clutna Annie. He provided details about the victims. And he said he would provide all the details in return for serving his sentence in a federal prison, along with no ple- like he wanted the publicity surrounding his case to be minimal, so that his family wasn't affected. Which is like, oh, what a guy. What a gentleman.

Like, how about the family that you affected? Like, yo. And you weren't thinking about that when you were murdering women, like, damn. Or like, what about all the people that have to explain, like, where they're dodged? Exactly. And another, now, a condition on the police, on the police part of the plea bargain was that he had to tell them what the markings on the aviation map meant. And he had to locate all of his victims' bodies, like, he

had to bring them to the bodies so they could get them. He ended up leading police to 17 of the grave sites. And they said that he was almost, no, they had him heavily shackled and covered with people. He wasn't just walking around the wilderness by himself. But the police said that he was running to the sites, like, hurriedly going, he was hard to keep up with. And they said, he hadn't been to some of these places in years and years. And he knew it right off the

top of his head exactly where they were. They said they never had to dig more than one hole to find them. Because he could tell you to say, which is such a hunter thing too, I feel like. Like he's, yeah, but damn, that's a lot. Which is just crazy. So, um, 12 of these bodies that they found were completely unknown to investigators, like totally new information. Oh my God. And then there were some marks on the map that he refused to give up the location, that he refused to tell anything about, which.

So then what did his end of the plea bargain get held on? Well, I guess it did, but I don't, I think they were just happy to get what they could get from them Basically, because I think he agreed to it and then this happened so they were like we have to just go with it Why do you think he refused? Who knows? Like just yeah, it's probably just a bit more of a dick These were in resurrection bay near Seward in authority suspect that two of these marks belong to the graves of Mary Phil and Megan Emmerich, who he denies killing, but they think that they're tied to him. Because you know these dicks, they'll like, they'll like, oh yeah, I'll tell you everything. They'll see them all fine with telling all the details and all that good stuff, and then all of a sudden they'll be like, oh, I didn't do that. And then you find out later they did. And you're like, well, why are you denying that one?

You know, like, yeah, it's weird. Like they do this shit. It's so weird. It's a mind game. Yeah. So the remains of 12 victims, which they say of a probable 21 victims, were exhumed by police and returned to their families.

Wow. Now, he confirmed to police exactly how they thought these women were being abducted that he was doing that. And then he said, sometimes he would let potential victims go if she convinced him that she wouldn't report to the police. So everyone's in a while, he was like, I just felt like it, and I would let her go. So it's like you never knew.

So it's like playing God that day. Yeah. He basically said it was easy because in the vastness of a laskin wilderness, there's never any witnesses to worry about. No one's going to hear them scream in the middle of the woods. And he said, in 1980, he shot the dog of a woman

he had murdered, so that the dog wouldn't lead anyone to her grave. Wow. I already thought he was a piece of shit. Doesn't that make you hate him so much more? I could strangle him with my bare hands. He the worst like he's awful awful beyond and then he's like in then he shoots a dog of a murdered woman So that the dog can't find his owner and lead police to them Makes that makes him their bitch. I'm saying like 20 people though now. Alaska has no death penalty

So after his guilty plea he was sentenced to 461 years in prison without the possibility of parole So don't worry. You're not going anywhere He was first imprisoned at the United States penitentiary Lewisburg and Lewisburg, Pennsylvania in 1988 he was returned to Alaska and was incarcerated at Lemmon Creek Correctional Center in Juneau and then that was only for a short period of time though and he was also imprisoned at Spring Creek

Correctional Center in Seward until May 2014 And then for health reasons he was transferred to Anchorage Correctional Complex and that's where he was when he died on August 21st, 2014 after 30 years behind bars at the age of 75 from natural causes. Wow. And what did do share as a little aside, the Pope and young club that, um, that had entered his records into their like hunting records book, Pope and young, whatever. They initially said that his crimes didn't invalidate his bow hunting records. Like they were like, you still got those records, but they have since removed his name from the record books. Yeah, oh race. Yeah, it's like good good call. And cut, cut, cut. His wife and two children tried to stay in Alaska, but after two years of the children being like

harassed at school, Mrs. Hanson filed for divorce and they moved to the lower 48. That's really sad. Like that kids would make fun of them. Yeah, they had to be run out of the last fuck. And like don't make fun of somebody because they're dad's a murderer. Like they didn't. Exactly. It's like dude. They didn't choose that. That always blows my mind. Not to be like why would you ever pin that on a kid? It's like they obviously had no idea. And it's like, do you really think their home life was that great? Their dad's a serial killer? I think Jesus. Like fuck off.

Like maybe give him a break. Kids are the worst. The 17 women that I just want to name really quick just so we can make sure their names are in there. Definitely. Our Lisa Futrell, Malay Larson, Suluna,

Tammy Pederson, Angela Federn, Theresa Watson, Deeline Sugarfray, Paula Goulding, those were all people who their bodies were found with Hanson's help. Andrea Fish Altiri, which he admitted to killing, but her body was not found. Sherry Moro was, um, he admitted to killing and they found her body without his help. Aklutna Annie, he admitted to killing, uh, they found her body, but her true identity has never been discovered. Joanna Messina, he admitted killing her, her body was found without his help. Another one they nicknamed Horseshoe Harriet, who he acknowledged, her body was found without his help. Another one they nicknamed Horseshoe Harriet, who he acknowledged, her body was found with his help, but her true identity has never been discovered. Roxanne Eastland, who he acknowledged, but they couldn't find her body.

Celia Beth Van Zenton, he denied this one. She was only 17. Oh my god. He denied this one, but it's tied to him because of the X on the aviation map, and her body was found on that X. Oh yeah. So he did it. He did it. The next one is Megan Emmerich.

She was also 17. He denied this one, but there's an X on the aviation map where her body was found. So again, he did it. Mary Phil, another one he denies, but the X matches her body was found. So again, he did it. Mary Phil, another one he denies, but the X matches her body. And again, it's like, so three X's match, three shallow graves in the Alaskan wilderness, and you're telling me that's a fucking coincidence,

you dumbass. It's not. Like, come on. Now of the 17 women, he was, again, he was only formally charged for the murder of four. Sherry Morro, Joanna Messina, a gluttony Annie, and Paula Goulding. But he was only formally charged for the murder of four. Sherry Moro, Joanna Messina, Aclatna Annie, and Paula Goulding. But he was also charged with the kidnapping and rape

of Cindy Pulson. That is the end of Robert Hanson. So he did. How would a whirlwind? He did. Don't worry about him anymore. But he was pretty brutal and awful. RID, rest in distress.

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