Morbid - Episode 454: That Time I Met A Murderer II ft. Bailey Sarian

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

We have another fantastic batch of listener tales about the time some of our listeners MET a MURDERER!!! Only this one is super special because we are joined by the exquisite Bailey Sarian!! How fucking exciting. This batch of tales includes a tattoo from a murderer, a present from a murderer and oh no... a date with... a SERIAL KILLER!Check out Murder, Mystery & Makeup & listen to Dark History anywhere you get your podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yes. It's so cool to me you guys in person. I know. This feels so crazy. I know. I feel like we should have like a screen separating us. I know. We feels so crazy. I know, I feel like we should have a screen separating us. I know, we'll look at what we do. I'm behind this mic. It's true. That's true. We can just speak out every now and then. I know.

I think if you're inviting me back, of course. I don't want to. I love you guys so much. I love your podcast. You guys are killing it. Oh, thank you. Don't never give up. Oh my God, I'm rooting for you.

I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for you, babe. Thanks. Your shed already. And we're done. Bye, my sis. See you God. I'm rooting for you. Same for you, babe. Thanks. Your shed already. And we're done. Bye. I feel like they're in for tuning in. This is our episode.

Marbhead, but positivity. I love that. You know, and it's so weird because I feel like we've already met in person. I just feel like that strange feeling of like, well, I know you, right? Yeah. It just feels like it's happening. It just feels like it's happening. When I was coming over here, I was like, we've met. Yeah. You Yeah, like I'm just going over your house. Yeah, of course, but we have

it. We have. I think there we are. But now I love your home. Thank you for inviting me into your place. You are always welcome in my place. Thanks. You need to throw a huge Halloween rager here. Oh, yeah, it's so spooky. Yes, it's so spooky. Oh, yeah. Across the street from a cemetery, hello. Yeah. Party. Dream. That's the dream. I don't know what you're doing.

The cemetery after. That's what sold me on this place. I was like, well, there's a cemetery. That's actually very true. She texted me and was like, there's a cemetery. I think we should get it. Is you feel like it's kind of haunted? It is.

It's super old. Like not that, well, the house isn't like crazy old. Not as old. But it's an old town with a lot of. Yeah. Actually, well, the house isn't like crazy old. Not as old. But it's an old town with a lot of... Yeah. Actually, oh no, I can't tell that statistic because it will give us away in a moment. Exactly, you know what?

Don't try and kill it or not. No, no. Oh, I'm sorry. Like, yeah, I love the street. I'm like, getting everything. The street that you were all supposed to. I was not taking the fact that it was literally give us completely like,

straight after. Yeah, it got it. It's a fun one. No facts. No, it. No facts, noted. No, it is. But you know what, today we're gonna do, we're gonna do something fun, we're gonna do some listener tails.

Yeah. You know, because listener tails are brought to you by you for you from you and all about you. Woo! Snaps. Snaps for that. You always do it right. I try.

Every time. Every time I'm in an oppressed, You know, it's easy to remember. I mean, you know, I make a lot of things up though and I still fuck them up. That's true. But, you know what, that's really double. We had to start this episode like three times because I couldn't get the idea that there were three of us in the room and not two. It's fair.

It's kind of hard. It's just you two forever. It's true. And now I'm just here like, hey, remember, I'm here. Hello. Hi. Yeah, it's I'm like, you're not. It's okay. Alright hey, remember, I'm here. Hello. Hi. Yeah, so I'm like, you're not.

Yeah, that's okay. All right, thank you. I appreciate that. But you know, we're gonna start this off with an intense one. Yay. Because this one includes Jerry Brudos. That's a lot.

Which, we haven't covered Jerry Brudos yet. You know, he's like one of those that I've been waiting to cover. Yeah. Because you gotta be in the right frame of mind to cover that cut. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be in a right place.

Remind me, Jerry's the shoe guy. He's the shoe guy. Yeah. Yeah. You're dumb. Yeah, he's a real weirdo. But this one's called OG listener tale. My mom dated a serial killer.

Someone on your future topic agenda. So they knew. They knew. It's on my future topic agenda. It says, hey, Chicas, where do I start? You can use my name, which is Meredith. And yes, I love my name, too. I love you.

I was never one of those kids that decided to use my middle name or something. Attached as a double space, 13 point PDF. Attached for the story I've teased. It's not super long. They didn't write puttafa. Puttafa. It's always puttafa. It's always puttafa. Terrible. I'm sorry. It's not super long, so I didn't write puttafa. Puttafa, it's always puttafa. It's terrible.

I'm sorry, it's not super long, so I won't apologize for the length. It comes in around eight minutes of reading time. That's the new thing that our listeners are doing for us. Is there being like, this is about 14 minutes of reading time. They're beautiful people. They were like, oh, that's very kind. So kind.

And they're doing a double space PDF for us, because I can't see anything. That's how I am. Right? It's pretty kind. So kind. And they're doing a double space PDF for us, because I can't see anything. That's how I am. Right? Yeah, yeah. So they work with us. That's so sweet. They put in the work.

That's nice. What an great community. Yeah, they're part of these episodes. They also gave us a pronunciation guide. Wow. What? These subscribers are smart. Oh, right.

They want me to mispronounce you everything. I say everything wrong. You guys can't present to you that's why we got here. Exactly. They're like, you know what? I'm going to help you out with this one. Oh, you're right. They're like, we feel bad.

Yeah, that's what we do. You guys can't say. They just want me to struggle for some reason. Yeah, you know, but this one, apparently the town is called Corvalus. Thank you for that. To be extra clear, that is a hard Oregon R. Oregon. Oregon, Oregon. Oregon.

It's Oregon Trail. Sorry, I'm kidding. It's Oregon Trail, that's why. I know. It's Oregon, but it's Oregon Trail. Exactly. Remember when they read me to filth for how I said Oregon? Oregon Trail.

Actually read us to filth. On Twitter. The actual Oregon trail shit. Yeah, it's like it's Oregon and I was like get out of your Oregon trail. Oh, oh wait you really say Oregon. Yeah, see for the place to it's Oregon, but when I refer to the game it's Oregon trail. How come? Because I grew up saying Oregon trail. Okay, that's fair. And I think we grew up saying Oregon. I was gonna say's fair. And I think we grew up saying Oregon. I was gonna say I always said Oregon because my dad used to live in Oregon. I was like my

people in Oregon. I just found like a nice shape. It does actually. Everyone from there is like it's Oregon. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. How funny. Okay. That's I like that though. But you know what? Now make use of terrible pronounced names too. So yeah, say lemon star. Say say say PeeBitty. Say we'll say organ trail. The game come after you. They did. The game was like, I like jokes. These of course. Yeah. About screenshot and frame that. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, they were like it's it's no. It says my choir teacher in high school came from Boston and I so much disdain for the Oregon R. We hit that consonant hard.

Hard. Also, the Oregonian appears in the story and Ash, you've gotten it right before. So I know you've got this for your mental health. Oregonian equals Oregonian. See, I said it right. You do. But also regional dialects are real things. So you do you.

See, thank you for ending me with that. There you go. Because we're always like regional dialects. We say things different. Oh, my ever love and whatever it has taken me so long to get this out, please be gentle. Lots of feels involved here. Keep it real, my love, please.

And they attached a bunch of photos, but we're going to to those in our two. Yay. It says, Dear Wonderful Weirdos, I've listened to you since your first episode, and while you've come a long, long way, I think you've stayed true to your vision.

Thank you. I'm really glad Ash no longer calls herself a trash person, whether or not she's drinking questionable slurpees. But I'm secretly really glad she didn't cut the cussing, like pop a suggestion. Suggested, got to keep it real am I right? Condolences on last years losses and this year's early struggles. Congratulations on the many, many successes. You're really sweet. Oh, thanks. Specific to Ashen Drew, you're doing the damn thing. Much love to you. Thank you. Specific to Elena, you're an

inspiration to want to be writers everywhere, including me. I wanted to write from the time I was nine years old, but I was discouraged because my neurodivergent brain could never decide between first person and third person narratives. That took me. Did you struggle with that? Yes. I was struggling with that. It's hard. Don't feel bad about that at all because I struggled with that. You still struggled with that, you know. I feel like I went to. Yeah, I gave up with it. It's hard. It's so hard. To this day, I don't know why we can't just call it second person

and call it a day, but that was the late 80s. I'm an old broad. And I was called weird day dreamer, et cetera. Those things are not untrue, but I was also struggling with an undiagnosed learning disability. So my husband still thinks I should write one of my personal tales into a book, but the convicted creepo is out and walking

around. So there is possible libel defamation shoes to consider. Damn. That sucks. You can make it like fictional, though. Yeah, there you go. Take some artistic license with it, and then you can write it down. Boom.

I say do it. I actually have several stories to share. Accidental amputation comedy of errors, stalkers, serial rapist encounters, see above the guy who is out and about now. Oh, no. Damn. And I'm not sure how to begin, really, even after years of considering a submittal. Several of the best stories, this being one, are actually my mom's, but she passed away

almost five years ago, sad face. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So some details might be a tad inaccurate or fuzzy. I started writing this the day before what would have been her 80th birthday in October of 2022. We didn't know 75 would be her last.

Oh, I'm sorry. So hug your loved ones kids, because grief and regret is the shits. Grief being complicated stuff is why it's taken months on top of months to get this scent, but good for you for sending it. I know. It's taken me yet another five months to get this scent, but good for you for sending it. I know. It's taken me yet another five months to get this scent, and since I've just finished listening to Harvey Glatton in part one, oof, I think perhaps the time is at hand.

Hint, you mentioned one of the main characters on that episode. Oh, yeah, because I brought up. You did, this man. This man's, in any case, let's get to the case. When I was in my mid-twenties, I found out that my mom had dated a serial killer. Imagine just finding that out.

No. In your mid-twenties, your mom's like, you know what's funny about my life? One time I dated a serial killer. All right. I'd be so mad. Right? Yeah.

Why wouldn't you tell me that day one? Yeah, you got like right away. Oh, yeah, I came out the womb, mom. Yeah. Teaching me my ABCs be like, by the way. You know that guy? He'll tell all the people. Yeah.

Put this away. Let's do that. I like this. You can count it. She can count it. It came up one day in casual conversation. Supercash, right? I have no idea why she told me to, she chose to tell me

the day that she did. Mom was a night owl. Always had been. Growing up, if I called to be picked up from school with a tummy ache, it typically took a couple calls to get her on the phone because she was reliably lying down napping. Relatable.

Years later, treatment for a previously undiagnosed thyroid problem resolved the majority of the excessive napping, but she was still always up late, really late, like sunrise late. I guess this habit started in her youth, probably high school if she could get away with it. Grandpa was a stickler for proper behavior. But for certain as a freshman in college, she told me she would sit up at night listening to the radio and smoking cigarettes, scandalous. So as a freshman at Oregon State University in Corvallis,

she would sit up late and listen to a local radio station. And for whatever reason, she called the station late one night and spoke to the engineer working the station. From what I recall, after several late night's conversations, he and my mom decided to meet. I looked at this like the meet cute. And the meet, it's like they were chatting on aim before early age.

Given that it was 1960-ish, it was probably a very cute conversation where this guy bashfully asked mom out on a proper date. Mom told me Jerry had a kind, gentle, pleasant demeanor and a pleasant voice. Not Jerry. Can I just take a minute right here to mention how terrifying it is that this individual presented as kind and gentle?

Yeah, you sure can. Yeah. Wait, did she say how old she was? She was a freshman in college. Okay, okay. So she was young. Time just trying to get the mental age. I know, that's a good idea.

Because you're like, where was this? What was this happening? But at a picture in all. Freshman in college while she's sitting up late night. Listen to the radio. Smoking sigs. Colin in the radio station. It's giving me like, um, now in the end vibes.

Have you ever seen that movie? No, I love the candy. All right. So first time, there you go. vibes. Have you ever seen that movie? No, I love the candy. All right, so, where's that? There you go. Yes, I love the movie. Yes. That is such a great movie. You gotta watch it.

You should watch it. It's an nostalgia fest. I think I've seen it, but it's, I can't remember right now, but yeah. Yeah. It's also making me think of an urban legend, Terry being like the radio operator. Yup.

Like late at night, people calling in and asking like really round she questions. I love that movie. And I love her in that movie. She's so good at that. I'm not gonna watch it. She's underrated in that movie. Yeah, very.

Yeah, she's fucking phenomenal in that. That was like the height of terror read. Oh yeah, big time. That was like American pie terror read. But we digress. This is where details get really fuzzy. Mom and Jerry went out at least twice. I don't know what the order was and what they did on one

or what I believe was only two dates. But on the date I know about they drove to the coast together. They drove to the coast together. Yikes. Because Corvallis is only 53 miles of winding rural highway away, incidentally highway 20s, the longest highway in the United States, starting in Newport and ending 3151.3 miles later in Boston. Whoa, look at that. But I digress. I'm only guessing that this is the beach they ended up at

because it was the shortest route to the coast. The point being that they spent an extended period of time alone in a car with him as he drove on rural highways That is really scary Rural highways that to this day have long solitary stretches that outside of busy holiday weekends when everyone in their cousin and their cousin's best friends decide to escape to the coast are Relatively solitary places. So here's my sweet little mama, all five foot two of her alone on a road trip in a car with someone who someday will be arrested as a serial killer. And here I am today to tell you about it because he evidently hadn't started killing yet. Oh, that's crazy. So imagine she like realizes that later and she's like, he hadn't even killed anybody yet, but he was like, that might have been like, that was like, does he think about it on that car ride?

Was he like practicing something? Like was she an almost victim? Oh, that's freaky. That's terrifying. Oh, that's the thing. Maybe that's why she's a late night owl. Oh, yeah. Maybe.

Full circle. Oh, keep it her up, because I always think about that with these kind of stories is like, you are must be constantly thinking that every second that you are with that person you got away with your life totally totally it could have been totally different. Because my thought to is like these serial killers and stuff they don't just randomly one day decide to kill something that they build up to, almost likely, like he was, something was marinate and up there and they don't get it. That's the thing, right? You know, like he was probably, yeah. He was thinking about it. He was thinking about it.

Yeah, why not? I mean, come on. You know that thought entered his mind. Oh, being alone with a woman in a car, driving along the coast. Isn't that where he usually would like carry things out? That's the thing, like he was, he would like bring them back to his house. Yeah, he's a rough one.

I wonder what the conversation was like. I know. You know? And Ooh, yeah, he's a rough one. When you were with the conversation was like, I know, you know? And at that point, he was definitely going through it because he's the one that has all these issues from childhood that he brought into adulthood. So he was like smacked out in the middle of his traumatic issues here. And that's a shoe thing.

I was just gonna say, imagine if he had complimented her shoes. I know, I wonder. But he said something about them. But he said something about them. He shoes and that's why he didn't. It made me that could be the thing that saved her. Because she was very, she's wearing like clogs. That was important.

So that could have been it. Yeah. Oh, all comes down to her. That's a huge choice. Thank goodness she got away with this. That's scary. Mom told me that they didn't go out more than a couple of times. And that while he seemed nice enough

He was a little soft and homely You know what I agree with her. He was definitely homely not a cute guy And so she just wasn't attracted to him make sense since she ended up with my dad who was movie star handsome With broad muscular shoulders and abs before abs were cool get it your dad and abs before abs were cool. Get it, you're dead. Yeah, pull it out. Yeah, pull it out for your dad. Seriously though, go look later at images of this guy.

And you can, but I don't recommend it. Yeah. And then compare him to say, oh my God, I was picturing Paul Newman when she said her dad. I don't know who that is. You're all Paul Newman. No. Who is that?

Oh man. Let's see, look a Paul Newman. No. Who is that? Oh man. Let's see, look up Paul Newman. Okay. Yeah. Have you ever had his salad dress thing this baby? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Newman's own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know, yeah. He's like very handsome old movie star. Let's see. Paul Newman from Cool Hand Luke with golden blonde curly hair with crystal blue eyes. That's about what my dad looked like. He's saying. So when I say she thought Jerry was homely,

she knew she could do better. Keep your tits and standards high, ladies. I'm a great advice. There are pictures for you attached to the email of my teeny mama and my handsome dad. There are puppers too for funsies. I love that people just send us pictures of their pets since the best.

Like they'll tell us some horrific story in the billy plate, but here's a picture of my puppy. And it's like, look, my dad is better. Thank you. It's the best. Like they'll tell us some horrific story in the billy, but here's a picture of my puppy. And it's like, look, I'm not better. Thank you. To keep doing it. Some of the listeners may have already figured out that I am referring to the one, the only drumroll, please. Jerome Brudos of such hits as Lust Killer by Anne Rule.

And episodes 281 and 282 of Last Podcast on the left, where Henry specifically says that Jerry couldn't get a date. So when he met his wife, he married her ASAP, but I know, and now you do too, that wasn't entirely true. Welcome to my mom's secret. My mom's smart, pretty, and from a good family went away to college and went out with this nut bag, and what I believe was autumn of 1960.

Stories indicate he married Darcy in 1961. So it was likely within a year after he and my mom went out into the best of our true crime buff communities' knowledge. And we know quite a bit about this guy, but also startlingly little. He didn't start killing until several years later, but we also know that he'd been a sexual sadist from a very, very young age.

And somehow, there but for the grace, I guess, my mom was left completely untouched and happily ignorant until she got up to get the paper one morning in the spring of 1969, and this is how she described that. My God. She and my dad had been married about three and a half years. They lived on a semi-rural piece of property.

Rural is so hard to say. I hate that word. Every time I say it, I have to like, I'm like, Rural, Rural. So you like to see it coming in the sentence. Yeah, I'm like, you're a lady. Yeah. I have to like jog in place for a second together, right?

On the edge of what one day would be a flourishing affluent suburb just a few miles from downtown Portland, Oregon. Organ. My dad had gone to work that morning, and mom slept in as was her routine. But when she got up and wandered down the driveway to get the Oregonian, Oregonian, Oregonian, Oregonian, Oregonian. Yeah. Well, no, I don't shit.

Oregon people, Oregonian, because Oregonian would mean we're saying it. Oregonian. Yeah, it's Oregonian. Yes, you're pronouncing it right, she said. Thank you. Out of the paper box, she unfolded it to find what she described as a six-inch high,

lettered headline screaming about a killer being caught. And below that was a picture of the man she'd been alone with a timer, too. She said she immediately fell apart. I don't blame her. And with no one else home, she ran across the street to the nearest neighbor who confronted her as a, she trauma cried.

Or comforted her. Comforted her. He confronted her. Why are you crying? Why are you crying? There's some crying. Stop it. It's the 60s.

There's no crying in baseball. That's really all I know. And mom made it clear that she'd ever wanted to discuss this at length. Clearly the very idea that she had been in such close contact with a man that could have ended her life, or at least have changed it dramatically, was she just more than what she was just more than what she wanted to dwell on. It may also be that because of the era in which Mom was raised, she carried some shame

from the very fact that she went out with this monster, which is pretty fucked up. A very victim-blamey kind of vibe, super gross. Yeah. Or maybe it was even survivor's guilt because she made it out alive of the casual relationship they had. Part of me feels like I'm betraying mom by sharing this, and part of me feels like I'm freeing her from the burden. I think it's the latter, I would say.

I would say. Either way, if she were still with us, it would be her story to share, but she's not. So let us all release her from these misplaced emotions that she carried. You are release, Mama. Totally, really. Happy belated birthday, Mom. I love and miss you forever. So keep it weird, my friends, but not so weird that you innocently accept a date with

a total monster and then carry a secret chain for 48 years. Never, ever, ever keep it that weird. Never. Damn. That was wild. Meredith. That was wild story. That. Damn, that was wild. Meredith. That was wild story. Really sweet.

That wasn't hard. Oh my God. It was so sweet. Your parents were so cute. And he does look like Paul. Oh, that's a good. It's a handsome movie star. He called him in type.

He's a tall handsome man. A tall drink of water. Oh, same one. They go with. They're, yeah. There you go. Thank you for that, Meredith. I, same one. Same one. You got me there. There you go. Thank you for that Meredith.

I know. And happy-belated birthday to your mama. Yeah. And I'm glad she survived that. Seriously. My God. Yeah, that was wild. I wonder if she had a good...

There's so many questions, you know? I know, because you wonder like... Like did she get a gut feeling? Was there any feeling that she was ignoring? She was ignoring me. Like what? Why didn't she go out with him again? That's what I wonder. Like the last day they went on,

like did something happen? That left a weird taste in her mouth. Cause he was, homeally. And if you look at, I would look at him now. If you look at the man she married, like yeah, she knew she could do better there.

But it's like, was there also something that just told her? Yeah. Or maybe he just had a shitty personality. Yeah, maybe the whole of it. Yeah. It's true. Like he was a charmer at first.

Like they usually are. And then when you find out who they really are, you're like, wow, you suck. Yeah. Because he definitely was not cute. No. Yeah, no. It's not a good situation.

I think your mom made the best choice. She could have there. I think she'd she'd she'd come out on top. She did. Yeah. All right. That out on top. She did. Yeah. All right. That's so scary. That was.

I wonder like how you would feel afterwards. I never really thought about that too much. Like reading that headline. Yeah. You know, like I would probably do what you did. Which is just like, burglary, but like also you probably would have survivors' guilds.

Yeah, could you like why did I? Yeah, I know. I'm not. I'm not. I can see that. Yeah. I can see people if probably would have survivors guilt. Yeah, because you're like, why did I? Yeah, and I don't see that. I could save people if I would have said something. Yeah. Even though you have to take that off of you. Of course. But like that's one thing. That survivor's guilt.

Yeah. Is that it's core? It's like something that you should never feel because you did nothing wrong, but like you inherently feel. Because you're like, did I ignore feeling? I feel like it would just be very confusing. I just feel like, I don't know how to feel. Because you're like, did I ignore a feeling? I feel like it would just be very confusing. Like, I just feel like, I don't know how to feel. Yeah. Yeah.

You probably talk yourself out of it. Like, no. That wasn't the same guy. Like, that go away. That's the same name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same looking everything, but not the same guy. But you know that face. Yeah, I don't forget that face.

See, yeah. Yeah. He was different looking. He was, uh, yeah. Yeah. He was, he was not a looker. Definitely not. All right. Do you have a good personality?

No. No, it doesn't sound like he did it all. So many questions. But apparently he was good on the phone. All right. That's the thing. I feel like that happens a lot. I feel like then people like get in front of you

and they're like, wait, it was not the same person that I was talking to this whole time. That's what it is. You know, like back when I was on the apps and stuff and I would talk to of you and they're like, wait, it was not the same person that I was talking to this whole time. That's what it is. Like back when I was on the apps and stuff and I would talk to people and they're like, when I was on the app, what is this? You know, I didn't even meet him in person. She's like nothing.

Nothing there. Yeah. You're like, was I talking to like your talented cousin or something? Your cousin. Yeah. You're good with words, cousin. Oh my God, this makes me a little happy

that I never had to do the. Yeah, considering your online the. Yeah, consider this on real estate. Yeah, we're not recommend. I'm not if you're not recommend hearing the horror stories. I'm like, my god, yeah, warrior. I'm very glad that I went back with Drew and figured that out because it worked out. And now I don't have to do that. We guys. Yeah, thanks. I'm not here on the dating app. Struggling.

Your warrior. Yeah're a warrior. You're a warrior over here. You're a warrior over here. I could only imagine. Everyone's creepy too. Yeah. I got paranoid. Everyone's a killer in my eyes. Oh, absolutely.

I have picked someone. That's the thing. I know. Tarn, you just have to go out with them and just hold for best. Oh, for best. And that's very, very public place. I know. And then there's that fear of like, do they know who I am?

Yeah, especially like in your position, I'm sure. It's scary. Yeah. I know that's a much stranger, like Avenue with all that. Yeah. Oh, dating. Oh. Tating.

Oh. Tating. Uh. Tating. Uh. Tating. Uh. Tating. Uh. Have you ever wondered why laundry detergent comes in a massive plastic jug?

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I don't know if I'm ready. I think you have a great glasses. Oh, no. I wish we could make up. Yeah. That's true. Anyways, but I'm just going to turn my best. My grandmother was taking grad school classes at B. Yeah. That's true. Anyways, my grandmother was taking grad school classes at BU, educational sleigh back in the 60s. Okay, back in the 60s. And she was temporarily staying with a friend and her roommate in the

back bay area one night after a long evening of jazz or whatever they did in the 60s. Just jazz. Just jazz. That's all they did. Just jazz. That's all they did. And that's a lot of jazz and bell-bullets. That was a good mix. She was opening the main door into the apartment and some guy tried following her in. He said he was there to meet a friend and was hoping that she would let him upstairs. No, my grandmother is nice,

but she's also an Ares Italian and from New England. A trifecta. Oh, damn. My husband has two out of the three of those and I can tell you. What can you tell us? Because to me, I'm like, what does that mean? Ares, they're not gonna, they don't take shit.

No, they're not gonna trust you. And they're not gonna trust you. I need those around me. Yeah, they're not just gonna trust you right off the bat Okay, okay, they got their wall so and new England and new England new Englanders noble shit Okay, it's just like if you if we don't like you would like you so her grandmother is a no shit woman. Oh, yeah It's a very go fuck yourself Okay, go for her. So she's actually not that nice. Yeah, there you go.

I should have said that. Finish the sentence, right? And they said that. Not be like that. Oh, yeah. Side note, I felt like you guys would appreciate. Everyone in my family is a fire sign. Oh, wow.

Three generations, grandparents, parents, my brother, and me. Damn. I'm telling you, because when I tell them, they say they don't believe in astrology and resume yelling, quote, passionately, across the table. Oh, they're fire signs, man. So she gets behind the door

and she makes sure it's locked. Through it, she starts grilling him with questions about who he's here to see and what Florida they live on. Eventually, she gets a bad vibe. She tells him to fuck off and runs upstairs. I call him. I do like that. I do like that.

I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that.

I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. I do like that. Shortly after my grandmother leaves grad school to start her career and moves back home to CT. While she was home, she got the news that her friends roommate had been murdered in her apartment. Oh, damn. Oh my god.

Like the actual apartment. Yeah. She got the news that her friends roommate had been, oh my god. She had been strangled with nylons. As many of his victims were, I'm not going to share her name out of respect from the family, but most of the info is online. I'm not sure if my grandmother put two and two together

when the murder happened, but when they caught him years later and released his picture, her blood went cold. It was without a doubt the guy who tried to follow her inside. Oh my god. Oh my god. And then you wonder was he going in there to find her? Of course he didn't let them in. Probably. Yeah. I would literally just move. I wouldn't even grab my stuff. I don't just leave. You can comment. Oh my my God. That's if has bad Boston Strangler in her day. And all the scenes were horrific. He left those places just a nightmare.

Oh my God. A nightmare. Terrifying. She goes on to say, always trust your gut. Yep. And maybe don't be nice to everyone. Definitely don't be nice to everyone. Honestly, facts.

I know I'm really bad at that. Me too. And it's something I've learned at such a young age to just be kind be nice. I want to say facts. I know I'm really bad at thought. Me too. And it's something I've learned at such a young age to just be kind and nice and to respect to everybody. And sometimes unfortunately that means you let people walk all over you. Oh, in a way, because you just don't want to like,

it's just a funny talk. Yeah, manners. Yeah, we were all taught that. Yeah. You need to be kind, you need to be nice. I feel like it's like, it's like my Achilles heel, I feel like, yeah. You. You need to be kind, you need to be nice. And now I feel like it's like,

it's like my Achilles heel, I feel like. Yeah, you know, because it's same, right? It just can't be a blanket statement anymore to kids. No, it's like, it can't be like you always have to be kind. Right. You always have to be polite. It's like, no, like when somebody earns it, you be kind. Right.

Like, don't be outwardly mean right out of the gate. No. But you assess the situation. Ian Aries Italian New Englander and have you all been in the team? Absolutely. We all have to channel that. Yes, yes.

I've noticed since dating, it's been like, I just, even though like someone will say something room rude, I just give them time to like, keep going, some being polite. I'm like, why am I still being polite? Like, I just leave. Yeah, like, what's that? It's something I have to completely unlearn.

I wanna channel this later. It's hard. I'm gonna channel my Like, I just leave. Yeah, like, what about? It's something I have to completely unlearn. I want to channel this later. It's hard. I'm going to channel my new England. Hell yeah. It's all again. What was the other way? Airy, say go. Channel it.

Anyways, maybe don't be nice to everyone. No. I'm going to put that on a shirt. Especially if you don't feel safe and you're not causing them harm. It's better to just, it's better to just have them think you're a bitch. Yeah. You might even find that deep down, hey, you were a bitch all alone.

That's smiley face. I love that. Thank you both for reading. Love you and your podcast so much. We love you. We love you. Thanks, Quinn. Quinn.

What a story. You have the nicest little subscribers, listeners. Oh, they're the best. Oh, they're the nicest little subscribers. Oh, they're the best. Oh, they're so sweet. They are like the, these listeners' tails, like feed our souls. Totally. Because they write the nicest things.

Wait, we got to get grandma online here. I need some more info. Oh, yeah, I got a lot here. Oh, my God, part thing. Because that's another thing where it's like you would feel this survivor guilt. Or you feel this like, how did I get out of that? Like how did I get out of that apartment?

Or just like imagining that you were there, like yeah, they looked probably to her like what would have happened? If she was, if she went with that hole, be nice to everyone, be polite, don't be a bitch, she would have let them in the building. See that part is what keeps me out at night. I got to learn to like step my foot down

because I don't, I'm scared of that shit. Yeah, right. Because it really is better, like what she said, it's better. People can think you're a bitch. You know what you are. Yeah, that's what I always say. You want to think I'm a bitch, that's fine.

I know what I am. And you're safe at that. And I'm safe. And I'm like, yeah, I guess it's all that matters. Exactly, exactly. That's all I need. And you know who you are. So that's all that matters. Exactly, that's all I need. That's all I need. And you know who you are.

So that's all that matters. Facts. Love facts. I'm putting this next one into a PDF because I can't read. So we'll just be a first. This happens every once in a while. We're like, vamp until I put it in a PDF. But okay, we are good.

Woo. All right, so our next tale is called Listener Tales. I also met a murderer. I love that it's like I also did that. Which is so great. That's the theme here today. I don't even know if we said that at the beginning actually. Oh yeah.

So the theme today is probably the title of the episode. So maybe you guys got me. You knew what you're in for. We're doing another installment of How I Met a Murder. I don't know why I said How, like it was How I Met your doing another installment of how I'm a murder. Yeah, I don't know why I said how like it was how I'm a murder mother. Yeah, how I'm a murder.

That's a way to go. I actually yeah, I watch how I'm a murder. Yeah, and I know I should make it. I'm tired out there. Yeah, take that and run it. Yeah, that's our IP you can. That's what we discover. We're like that's legal right when we say TM.

You can't take it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we know. We're like, that's legal, right? When we say TM, you can't take it. Yeah, yeah. We don't really know. We'll find out. All right, so it says that time I stole the Taco Bell name tag from the guy I sat behind in high school government class to pin on my backpack. And he ended up robbing and murdering someone.

Wow, that's like a series of events I never would have put together. I hate that Taco Bell had to make its way into Taco Bell. I love Taco Bell. Taco Bell is so good. We got Taco Bell last I love Taco Bell. Taco Bell is so good. We got Taco Bell last Friday. It was the best decision we ever made. I was having a bad day and I was like,

I was like, I'm like, he's dying. Cause I was like, was it Friday when I was like, I am a goblin? Yeah. Like I just felt like a goblin that day. And you just wake up and you're like, I'm a goblin. Like nothing is gonna be right.

I'm a troll. I'm a goblin. That's okay. You're a goblin. I'm a troll. What about a troll. That's okay, you're a goblin. Yeah, I'm troll. What about you? What are you? Probably just a bitch. Okay.

Okay. I'm just a bitch. No, no. And literally it's like it's Taco Bell today. Yeah, I'm full goblin. Let's go. Yeah, let's get a lean into tacos. What do you get?

Oh, a quesarito. And two soft tacos. You got it in the crunchy Dorito taco. Oh, that's what you got. Love the Dorito. I love the crunch. I love the crunch. I love the crunch.

I love the crunch. I like chemical cheese. I like a crunch. A crunchy taco. Chemical cheese. Yeah. And then, oh, those, sorry, not sponsored by Taco Bell, but like, they're sponsored. They're all, I know, those cinnamon, cinnamon, oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. Those are so good. If you order those like late night and then you wake up in like the middle of the night at like three hours, and you just pop a couple of those, you're like, I need them now. That's your happiness. Yeah, they do. I think all of those.

I love those now. Just for the sake of being. Actually, forget this. I'm going to Taco Bell. I'm like so much. And maybe a fun buy. Taco Bell time. Right.

Let's go. But this person stole somebody's Taco Bell name tag, not their delicious treats. It says, hey, weirdos, I'll start with the obligatory gushing about how much I love your podcast. Thank you. I found you in the last year in love listening to you, girls, as I get ready in the morning while doing laundry, driving by myself,

and really any other time I can get far enough away from my seven and 10 year old so that I won't traumatize them. Just yet. Just yet. Just yet. Love that. I'm an elementary music teacher and rural, them. Just yet, just yet. Just yet, love that. I'm an elementary music teacher and rural Missouri.

I know, rural is making it so. It's coming out. Rural is the secondary theme today. It says, despite what you see in the news, don't worry. We are not all close-minded people who would hunt other humans down with a hunting rifle just because they don't agree with us. That's really good to hear.

That's a great sponsor for Missouri. Yeah. And it's been my experience that true crime, the, sorry, that true crime type shows and podcasts are a stress relief for educators. Not sure what that says about our psyched meet, but I go with it. Well, you guys are going through it. You got to contend with a lot as an educator today for real. Like literal heroes in my opinion.

Mm-hmm. Pam Moore, goddamn it. Pam Moore. Pam Moore. Pam Moore, goddamn it. Pay them all the money. He wants them to make more. I want them to make so much money. I said all the time. Yeah, they should. They absolutely should.

Because I can't, we tried. We can't do it. No. Well, everything they deal with now, especially, but oh. So I was an asshole when I was little. Yeah. Even just like teaching kids, I'm like, you deserve way more money. Oh, we tried to like do, because we held our kids out during like the height of COVID.

So we were like, okay, well, we gotta keep them. They were only in like preschool, but we're like, we're gonna keep the curriculum going. Even that, John and I were like, I don't know how teachers do this. Like, I don't know how to do this. Like teaching them to read, I don't know how to, because I'm just like, I just know how to do this.

So I don't know how to teach that word. Oh, like, so yeah. that's okay. I'm like that You just are should or the last me like why does that say should like that doesn't look like there's an element And I'm like I don't know to be honest. Yeah, yeah I think I'm growing up when my parents would be like I don't know it just yeah Yeah, I just accept that as a kid. I'm like why but why though, but it's like in reality You're like I really you're like it should because it should yeah Just memorize that one there's no convention

The amount of times are just like I don't know that's what it says. Sorry. That's it. I love you so much I scared and then I'm like ask your teacher and then I'm like pay her more Jesus ask your teacher and then I'm like, pay her more. Yeah, that's Jesus. Exactly. Life happening right there. But this person says, I'm also one of those weirdos who listens to morbid to fall asleep at night. So there you go. I got a lot of love hearing that.

Same Z. So funny. So same thing. So funny. I also feel like kinship to you girls, especially Alaina, as we fall squarely in the same age group. And I understand all of your cultural references and Giggle when Ash misses some of the-

Elders, you're right. I'm always like, wait, what? Like Paul Newman. Yeah, like Paul Newman, it just happened. Yeah, love you anyway, girl. Thanks, let me take it. Okay, on to the story. It's the fun of it.

I just got done listening to your listener tales that time I met a murderer and realized I too have met a murderer. When I was in high school, and oh, excuse me, when I was in high school, I hung out with some rather, shall we say sketchy people? We've all been there.

It was one of those. My high school boyfriend was kind of on the edge and hung out with people who pretty much off the edge, so I hung out with them by proxy, sort of thing. You know that thing. Yeah, that. My boyfriend ended up a great guy and is now a contributing member to society.

Woo! But for context, his high school best friend was murdered a few years ago in a sketchy situation. But that's actually another story. Damn, we need that one too. I know. Right? I sort of had two personas.

One me that got almost straight A's was first chair saxophone and band, rarely broke her. Fue and was a girl scout for real. Whoa. I love that it was like for real. I really was. This is not funny. I'm for real. Whoa. I love that it was like for real. I really was not. I'm not lying to you. I had the baddest.

I call it. How many batches I want to do? I want to know. Do you still have any finment? And then there was the other me that hung out in a back parking lot on the weekends, smoked behind my parents back. I later found out that they knew all along.

Parents, am I right? They always know. They always know. And they always tell you later I'd be that whole time. Oh yeah, I've got a lot of those. Oh yeah. Yep. Drink up parties and apparently hung out

with future murderers. I don't really know much about astrology, but I massage. Don't know if that says something about me here, Ash. Oh, are you? I am a sad. Oh, so you're a fire sign. Am I?

Yeah, look at that. I massage rising. Hmm. I don't know like what that really says. I don't know what that really says. I don't know a lot about sadges in general. We're right before my sign, that's all I know. Yeah, we're fiery, we want to run away and start new things a lot.

Oh, we want to run and be free. Don't get any rules. No rules. Oh, there you go. So maybe that was like a different part of your sign, like your birth chart, like arguing with the sad side, you know? That makes sense. Yeah, because it's like I was out, I was like,

rebelling against everything. That makes sense. I like it. Yeah. So anyways, one of my boyfriend's best friends, aforementioned guy who got murdered, his friend sat by me in my government class. This was after my high school boyfriend and I broke up,

but we were all still friends. So a friend of a friend would flirt with me, some, and even though I really did like him that way, he did always strike me as a bit creepy. I broke up, but we were all still friends. So a friend of a friend would flirt with me some. And even though I really didn't like him that way, he did always strike me as a bit creepy. I would start a flirt back because my school girl, out of all the guys in this group, he was always the one that gave me the weirdest feeling. Trust your gut people. It's true.

He'd just started working at Taco Bell and would wear his name tag to school sometimes, just to be weird, I guess. A couple of kids did that in my school. Did they really? Yeah, I got a job. Look at the lips. Look, I like jabs. Like jack in the box or targ and that's hilarious.

I never got an eem tag at any of my jobs. I got one at Hollywood video. There you go. I was a Hollywood video. I worked at a video. I worked at a video. That's like the cool. I always wanted to. I would still work at a video store. I was to do video. I was my favorite job. That's like the coolant. I always wanted to.

I would still work in a video store if that was the thing. We still know. I would love to be like the rewind girl. Oh yeah. Apparently blockbusters making some kind of comeback. Did you hear that? No. All of your heads just turned.

And you're like, their website just like reactivated for the first time in like years. Are we bringing VHS's back? Let's go. I don't know. I'm ready. I'm ready. We got in three months ago.

Who knows? Yeah. I want to go on a Friday night. I want to see if that box is there. Like it's like the risk. Is it going to be there? Is it not going to be? Am I going to have to wait another week for someone to return it?

I had to wait for someone to return it. Yes. Oh my gosh. I need to wait for someone to return it. Yes. I need to wait for someone to return it. Yes. I need to wait for someone to return it. Yeah. I remember that. I remember two. I don't remember much about video stores.

Oh, it was such a time. Yeah, I remember that. It was a really good era. Yeah, I did. That for you. That for you. All right. So he was wearing his name tag to school, very strange.

Lottie dot do. Blah blah blah. Sorry, I lost my place. Lottie dot do. That's what it says. Yeah, that's exactly what it says. She put it up. Well, his name tag was in the shape of a jalapeno pepper, and I just thought that was funny.

So we made some kind of trade. I know don't remember at all the actual circumstances, but I ended up with the actual name tag pinned to my backpack. We were juniors at the time, and even though he didn't end up graduating, I left the name tag on my backpack for the rest of high school. As a matter of effect, my mom keeps literally everything,

and I was up in her attic not too long ago, and came across that backpack, and the name tag is still on there. Oh, damn. That's crazy. Now, fast forward about a year from graduation, I'm a freshman in college doing my own thing, and I've pretty much forgotten about Taco Bell name tag guy. I got a phone call from my mom, and she's like,

do you remember Taco Bell name tag guy? She obviously said his actual name, of course. I was hoping she said Taco Bell name tag guy. Me too. I got a phone call from my mom and she's like, do you remember Taco Bell nametag guy? She obviously set his actual name, of course. I was hoping she said Taco Bell nametag. Me too. I liked that better. I was like, yeah, why? Well apparently he and this couple, um, they were using some kind of drugs, broke into an older gentleman's house to rob him. They thought he wasn't home or something, but it turned out he totally was home. So Taco Bell nametag guy stabbed him to death before they all ran out to get to the getaway car driven by a guy I also went to high school with that was actually a pretty good kid. He apparently got in too deep with these jerks. The couple that was

with him were quite a bit older than us and I did not know them. I mean I always knew he was a little bit creepy, but I never thought murderer type creepy. But as my mother would attest to, I have no intuition. It would definitely be the first one to die in a horror movie, because I would be the one that didn't heed any warnings and explained everything away like an ostrich with its head right down in the crowd. But you know what you know that about yourself? Yeah. And that's that's good. She's aware. Yeah. So this is the first key. Yeah. The first step. You know, yeah. If you didn't know that, I'd be worried. I also think I would die

first and a horror movie. 100%. Yeah. But you wouldn't because you know that and because I know that. So, so I'd be in that movie with you and I'd make sure. Okay, thanks. Don't worry. Love us. So sweet. I'd be the dumb ass who's like, what is that? Let me go chat. Yup. Hello. And I'm going to say no more. Stop there. No, no.

So needless to say, when I came across my backpack with his name tag on it, I got some serious goosebumps. And the more I listen to your podcast, the more I'm thinking, should I burn that backpack and sage my parents' attic, you know? Anyway, that's my, I also met a murderer story. I'm also going to put a couple links to true crime stories that happened in, or are related to my hometown,

in case you ever wanted to do an episode on a new bank. Wow, thanks. Because even in rural Missouri, crazy stuff like this happens. Thanks, if you made it this far in my story and keep it weird, but not somewhere that you break into a guy's house and stab him to death, okay?

Yeah. I have attached adorable pics of my kids and for babies. Oh my goodness, the cutest of all babies everywhere. Yeah, really cute. You know what she should do? She should find what prison he's in, the Taco Bell guy, and mail the name tag back to him. Oh my God, that's a good idea.

Oh my God, can you really eat it? Yeah, they could just take the like the sharp part off of it and give it back to him. Yeah, I can just help him your pepper. Okay, probably eat this in jail, something to look at. Yeah, you know just take the like the sharp part off of it and give it back to them Yeah, I think that's how Pinot Pepper. Okay, probably this in jail. Something to look at. Yeah, you know, something to look at. Something to do.

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Let's see, and can I use your name? Yes, Hillary, I can. Hillary. Thank you for telling me that. What's good, my spooky beaches? I've attached my listener tale in the form of a puddha, which is about the time I helped the police catch a murder in my hotel in the creepy shit that led up to that fateful day.

This is where I tell you to cut it down if it's too long and it's where you say you won't. Not also in this email is the security footage. Oh my God. News clippings and mug shots. Oh, my Lord. I love security footage. She came through.

All right, so this says, the time I assisted a SWAT team in taking down a wanted murderer. Wow. Imagine just being able to say that. I know, that's a sentence. You could really like, when two truths and a lie with that.

Absolutely. It says, oh my God, if you're reading this, it means you're reading this. We're reading this. Give me a second. We are reading this. We are reading this. You are reading this.

I am watching it happen. It's true. It's happening. I am currently sitting on my couch at 11.30 pm. Both my toddlers are sleeping and I am not. I feel that. Why you ask? Because I have crippling ADHD that has made it literally

impossible to turn my brain off. In between researching how cuddle fish camouflage themselves while also being colorblind, I've got mis-richal songs playing randomly in my head. If you know, you know. Deb deb knows, because she knows Ms. Rachel. And I know.

That's the thing with when you have kids all day, you're like, I can't wait to sleep. But then when they go to sleep, you're like, I just need to be alone for a minute and like shut everything off. So you end up staying up until like 11, 30 or 12. Just being like, I just need this alone time. That's why we're there in my three to five year plan.

There you go. Not the right now plan. Yeah, you know? I have no plan. I have no plan. My plan is sleep. Love it. Oh, wherever.

So researching cuddle fish, you know, I feel that because I go on like crazy little. I love doing that. Right. I love little thing. And then I went down a rabbit hole about sloths. Oh, I learned so much about sloths. You know, they can attack people like very quickly. Oh, I know.

I was watching sloths snatch people. Oh, are you serious? Yes. I was watching Sloss snatch people. Oh, are you serious? Yes, yes, they're coming for us. They're coming for us. They're coming for us. They're coming for us. And don't they have really long sharp fingers?

And acrylic. I have, I know why. So when they hold the thing, the claw wraps around the branch, not their hands. Wow. Isn't that interesting? And they also swim really far. Ooh.

I was so new. You sloth sloth. Sloth knowledge all day. I have it. And you know what? Sloth always look like these little cutie pies. And you don't mind that they have those giant acrylic nails. Because you're like, well, you're sloth.

I mind. But when you first like, you're like, you're not going to hurt anyone. Because you're a sloth. You just have pretty nails. I'm a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very sloth-attacking people that you actually do. I need to be aware of this. I would just really gonna be sending you sloths. Attacking people that you can please do.

I need to be aware of this. I would just walk up to one and be like, what's up sloths? But now. Now I will not. Ooh, all right. I was first introduced to your podcast while I was pregnant with my daughter.

I was an avid listener of a different true crime podcast, but was getting tired of how polite they were. Oh no. And now they left out a lot of the details because, well, I'm fucked up. I listened to one of their episodes and was not satisfied with the information. So I went to the interwebs to find out

if any other podcasts had covered it. Yours was the first one that popped up. So I scrolled back and found the episode. Within five minutes of pressing play, you had called one of the players a fucking dingus. And I knew I had found my people. Sounds like us. Yes, it does.

I've since listened to almost every episode and love how the podcast is evolving. Thank you. I just listened to the Plane Crash Survivor episode and absolutely loved it, thank you. I pre-ordered Elena's book, The Day It Was Available. Thank you. And I listened to the entire thing in two days

of The Day It Was Released. It was amazing, and I'll definitely sign whatever petition gets you to write a sequel because Jeremy needs to get his come up and so don't worry, you don't need to sign a petition. I was going to say by the time this is out, you'll hear the news. Yeah, there will be another one. And thank you, that's really cool to hear. My name is Hillary and please use my name.

After birthing two kids, I'd love to have a non-embarasing reason to pee my pants. Feel that so hard. It just takes a sneeze. So this story starts back in 2015 while I was working in a hotel at the front desk. As customer facing jobs go, hotel front desk is by far the worst I've ever experienced as far as customer abuse goes. I can imagine. I can imagine.

Yeah. People, because you also have to deal with the late night people. Yeah. You're gonna laugh. Yeah. People, because you also have to deal with the late night people. Yeah. You know, people who stay in hotels are entitled as fuck and I hate most of them. Oh no. I was used to weirdos. I was used to people cussing at me.

I dealt with a dude, high on LSD, who decided that my housekeeping manager was in grave danger and cornered her in a room. It was literally body slamming the door to try and get into save her. Oh my God. I know a woman called me a content and ungodly decibel because our outdoor pool was closed for innovations in the middle of the fucking winter. Well, that's your fault. The whole thing started on a Monday evening. Two men came into the lobby and asked if we had availability. We had a few rooms open, so I booked them a room. He mentioned that he didn't know

how long he was going to need to stay. I let him know that we had availability that whole week, and to let me know before check out time, whether he wanted to extend for another day or two. Totally typical walk-in. Checked in with a legit credit card and legit ID using the name Paul Cunningham. He was very charming. We carried on our conversation easily. I handed him his keys and he and his companion who had been completely silent this whole time, walked up the stairs and went to his room. The next morning, yes, I was working the next morning, my GM was a literal nightmare and had me scheduled to work from 3pm to 11pm and then 6.30am to 2pm the next day. The cloak and the cloak and the cloak and the cloak. She also once sent me home for coming to work with no makeup on, bitch. I didn't say that, but I agree.

No. He came to the, I would be sent home like every day. He came to the front desk and made conversation while he drank his coffee. It was a little friendlier than I was comfortable with, but it wasn't any different than the other weirdos I dealt with. Just smiled and continued to talk. A little background on me. I was raised in an extremely oppressive religion, which now I've been deconstructing for the past three years. It was definitely occult. My place in the world was ingrained in me. Men were superior and women were to

follow behind them. They led, we submitted no matter what. That's awful. This led me into abusive relationships, one ending with a broken jaw and no will to live. Oh my God. Jesus. I learned to give men what they wanted because if I didn't, I'd either be yelled at or beaten up. That's awful. It was easier to acquiesce. I love that word. Thank you for using that. That's a great word. I haven't heard that word in a long time. Can I get a definition please? I just felt like I know right? I think it's basically like acquiesce.

Like I'm just gonna it was easier just to like submit almost just like put it out of your brain and just go with the flow. Okay. Acquie. Place of origin. It just the higher it's of the crew. You have to Google that one. I just want to pretend I'm on the spell.

Well, she did say, am I the only one who can't use that word without thinking of pirates of the Caribbean? How funny. Also, do you say Pirates of the Caribbean or Pirates of the Caribbean? People say this different. I think I say it like both ways, like interchangeably. See, when I'm, this is another weird word. When I'm talking about the Caribbean, I talk about it as the Caribbean, but Pirates of the Caribbean. It's like, it's like, it's like Oregon, an Oregon trail. Yeah. I don't know why. I do the same thing. I never really thought about it. Right. Pirates of the Caribbean. Like, who are you going to the Caribbean? But then I'm like, did you see Pirates of the Caribbean? See, I just said Caribbean when I went to say it without

thinking. See Pirates of the Caribbean sounds insane to me just said Caribbean when I went to say it without thinking. See Pirates of the Caribbean sounds insane to me. That's funny. Also, acquiesce means to accept something reluctantly without protest. And it is a verb. Submit basically. Oh, yeah. It's exactly what you said.

Okay, challenge trying to stop her today. There we go. There we go. The word of the word organically. I will not acquiesce to that sporadically. The sporadically. You have not sporadically. He and his friend came to the front desk and asked where the mall was.

After I told him, he asked me what bra size I was. Wow, that escalated quickly. I know. Damn. No last name. Or what? I left because what? And he kept on. you're so skinny.

I bet they don't even make them that tiny. I feel like I quit. I quit. I quit. I quit. Then why ask? Which was super gross because he seemed to really be happy about that. After awkward laughs, he left.

A couple hours later, he came back with a bikini from Victoria's Secret. Oh my god. Fuck. I gotta go. Like. I gotta go. Like, I gotta go. I'd be calling someone. I would say a chance to deal with this. I would say a chance to deal with this.

Yeah. I hope that you had to stay at your shift and like work after dealing with this too. For real. It really freaked me out. But again, oh, but again, he's a man and Victoria's Secret is expensive. So I accepted his very generous

gift and he went up to his room. Oh, no. I really glad that you deconstructed that way of thinking. Yes, me too. Because that's really sad that that was like drilled into you. He extended his stay again the next morning and asked if I had tried on the bikini he gave me. I said that I hadn't, but quickly let him know that I was working basically back to back

shifts and hadn't had time. God forbid I should offend him. He said I needed to take pictures for him when I put it on. I'm leaving. Oh, so funny. We were literally just talking about this being polite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just talking about this. Yeah. In these are the times when it's even sadder when it's been like really drilled into you as a kid. All right. Like part of like the tenements of your moral code.

Kind of thing. Instead of just like a blanket, you need to be nice. It's like not only that. This is part of your entire being. Yeah. Oh, that's loaded. Very loaded. So he said he needed to take pictures

and she said, oh, for sure. I said with an extremely convincing customer service mile. He left the desk and I didn't see him until the next day. I was working an afternoon shift and when I got into work, I saw that he had extended again. Great. What am I going to say when he asked to see the pictures I didn't take of the bikini I didn't try on? After a couple hours of normal hotel stuff, check-ins, room changes, housekeeping, requests, et cetera, I hear psst. No.

From around the corner of the desk. I couldn't see who it was, but I looked in the big convex mirror we had in the corner of the lobby and saw that creeps McGee was trying to get my attention in the mirror. He was motioning for me to come to him. My body was screaming, fuck no, but my traumatized by religion brain could only obey. So I walked around the corner. I know I'm an idiot. You are not an idiot. You were traumatized. Yeah. That is not being an idiot. It's also one of those things where like what are you going to do in that situation? Yeah, that's the other thing.

Like you're just going to react right away. Yeah, by no means an idiot for doing that. He looked over my shoulder a couple of times. Like, he wanted to make sure no one was watching. And from inside his boxers, he pulled out makeup. What? What? What kind of... I lose to his makeup.

Okay, that's how you get me. You're serious. You're like, uh-oh. Like, your creepy people don't make it for the boxers. All right, I'm in. Oh, you're right. What's that? What's that? Have a graph, I'm in. Oh, you're right. Well, look at that.

Have a graph. I know, I'm like, for a, okay. No, I'll take some of that. Well, he pulled out three random brushes, an eye shadow palette, mascara, and foundation and a Ziploc cabaggy. Wow, this is bizarre. Oh, make-up is bizarre behavior.

He pulled out a whole face out of his boxers. And he said, go. Yeah, go has. Oh, make us beg. He's bizarre behavior. He did not expect this out of his boxers. And he said, go. Yeah. Go forth. This is weird. What the actual fuck? I saw these and thought you would like them. He said, oh, Moshipa, she's got to go.

He didn't say he bought them. They weren't in a shopping bag. And they didn't have any plastic on them or wrapping to indicate that they hadn't been open before. Again, this really weirded me out, but I accepted. Oh, poor steam. I was just glad he didn't ask me about the bikini pics. The rest of the night went by without incident. Wait, you know what I'm thinking? He's a wanted murderer. Is that his like previous victims makeup? Oh my. Lot twist. Right?

Oh my. Honestly, probably. And saying I thought you would like these, like, yeah, right? Because they don't have plastic on them, like they've clearly maybe been used before. Yeah. Oh no. And if they were like lightly used or something,

hell, you're right. And then it's like in a Ziploc bag. In his pants. I think that's where we're headed. That's where we're headed. I got a no. Like, why do they have to be your pants? When you just hold it and bring it down to the bed? No, because that's weird. Yeah, that's that's where we're headed. I got a no. Why do they have to be your pants? When you just hold it and bring it down to the same.

No, because that's weird. Yeah, that's weird. That's a little lie. You're just putting it in your pants? Yeah, let me first say. Walking up and being like, well, I'm present for you. Loading a magic trick. Loading.

Like close up magic. Oh no. I don't love our girl. I feel really bad. Yes, stuck in this. Oh, on my next shift, which was the morning shift, I started my day with him extending his day again, but he changed the credit card on file

and went back up to his room. Interesting. And around 10 a.m. on a very slow Thursday, a man wearing a white bill-abong t-shirt and cargo shorts, wow, what a vibe. Absolutely. Walked briskly up to the desk. He pulled the detectives badge out from under his shirt and put it very discreetly on the

desk. I was too stunned to say anything, so I just looked at him wide eyed. He pulled out his phone with a mug shot, pulled up on the screen. It was creeps McGee. I knew it. He had long hair in the photo, but it was definitely him. The detective asked if he was here and I just nodded. With his index finger,

he scrolled up on the screen to reveal something that made my stomach fall out of my butt. Do you see what that says? The detective asked quietly. There in big, bold, black leather letters was wanted for murder. Can you imagine having a detective be like, you see that right there?

You see that? You wanted for murder? I'd also be like, are we on law and order, sir? I'm like, you see that right there? You see that? You wanted for murder? I'd also be like, are we on law and order, sir? I'm like, can I fucking see that? Yeah, I know. I know. But you could also just tell me. Yeah, I can't tell.

I can't tell, sir. It's okay. Listen, though of all, you're just waiting for the like, do-do-do-do. And it's like, is everything all right? I felt all the blood drain from my face. And it must have been obvious because all the detective said was, which rum is he? I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love game. I quickly told him and he walked out the door, returning moments later

with six other plane clothed agents. Holy shit. He asked if the rooms on either side of the suspect were occupied and I let him know that they were. His first initial plan was to breach the door, but decided it was too risky with civilians in the neighboring rooms. He then decided that they would set up a sting operation in the hotel lobby. Oh my god. The other officers cleared out the lobby of other guests and stricken them to go up to their rooms or to leave the premises. I would have been so pissed.

I'd be like, can I please stay? I'd be like, I'm gonna leave the premises. See you later. I'll leave the premises. I'll stay. Right? I'll leave the premises. I'm gonna leave the premises.

I was gonna say, I'll just peek through the window and a little continental breakfast. Uh huh. I'll grab a muffin. I'll go ahead and have a crappy coffee. Yep. They took spots all off and I'll go out, crappy coffee. They took spots all over the lobby. One pretended to read the paper. Oh, I would stay at this point.

It's the bread of all. It's the bread of all. It's the bread of all. It's the bread of all. It's the bread of all. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. I mean, let me read the paper.

Let me be one of these people. So one of them pretended to read the paper at a table in the lounge. Another pretended to peruse the gift shop. Amazing. I noticed in particular the one reading the paper because he was fine AF. I wouldn't have minded being arrested by him,

I don't think. I love you Hillary. At this point, the lead detective told me I needed to call him down to the front desk. I was like, excuse me. If you don't get that reference, you need to watch Pitch Perfect immediately. He said that I just read it as it was thing. I have not seen Pitch Perfect. I think August, excuse me because like, I thought it was, excuse me, which I've never seen. I've never seen

it like better. I saw it, but I don't know. I don't know. Aka, Aka Pilla, you're right. We'll circle back. Yeah. We'll come back party later. We'll watch. We got now We'll come back for you later. We'll watch. We got now and then on the docket first. Yup. He said that all I needed to do was get down, get him down here and that said I could use his credit card as an excuse. So with all the poise I could muster, I was about to call up to room 209 when the phone

rang. No. I looked at the display and it said Cunningham Paul, 209. No. I looked at the detective and said he's literallyham Paul 209. No. I looked at the detective and said, he's literally calling me right now. What do I do? He just motioned for me to answer it and so I did.

I had no idea what I was going to say, but thankfully Creeps McGee asked if we had a business center with a computer he could use. I let him know that we had one in the lobby. And he said he'd see me in a second and hung up. Sure enough, he came downstairs and crossed the lobby into the business center. I just smiled at him and pretended to click away on my computer. Only moments later, he came back out to ask for printer paper,

and the officers swarmed with guns drawn. The lead detectives' voice boomed, don't move or I will shoot you. Oh my God. That is the closest I've ever been to the business end of a handgun, and I don't ever want to be any closer. I backed up against the wall, and he was taken into custody without incident. I found out his name was actually Angelo Doing.

Is that? Yeah, Doing. Doing, 31 years old. And he was wanted for a group assault in which the 24-year-old victim was beaten to death. Oh my God. He had been on the run for four months at that point, and was apprehended because someone called in an anonymous tip. After searching his room,

heroin, a box cutter, a hunting knife, and two guns were recovered. Oh, leash. Nice. I asked the detective if they needed the things he had given me, and they said that they didn't, which was almost disappointing, because I felt like throwing away the things he gave me would be rude, and that made me feel really guilty.

Fairly throw them out. Religious trauma is so real. Thankfully, my coworker recognized how insane that sounded and took them from me. We love it. I don't know what she did with them, but I'm sure they ended up in a parking lot, dumpster. I've attached a couple news articles,

along with his mug shot, and the security footage of the actual take down, which we will be watching, hell yeah. Thanks so much for taking the time to tell my story. Keep being awesome, and always keep it weird. But not so weird that you allow a religious cult to mentally beat you down so much that you let a murderer buy creepy things for you and then feel guilty for being part of a sting operation that takes him down. To be clear, I now think of that day with pride and no longer feel guilty. Fuck his feelings. There you go, Hillary. Much love, Hillary.

I'm so relate to that. Feel guilty for taking him down. Right. You're like hard of this thing, Operation. I was just being glad to weigh in cups. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. So sorry. But now Hillary says,

Fuck your feelings. What a comment. I just throw one at him. So sorry. Well, she came through with her seats. She did. I can finally do it. She gave you security footage. I love sorry. Wow, she came through with her seats. She did. I actually love that. She gave you security footage.

I love that. Whenever we get a video, I love a good video. Me too. Me too. Killin' it. Wow, that was scary. Damn bonkers. That really delivered. So, um, next story, ready?

Well, I'm ready. Hey, Weirdo's, my name is Sage, and you can totally use it. I will literally explode from excitement. Ooh. Don't do that. I feel okay. I feel okay. And I'm a huge fan of the show.

I feel connected to you guys in a way that I just don't with any other podcast. And you do a great job at doing what you do. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so sweet. I'm sorry this can't be in a PDF. I have the computer skills of a worm with brain damage. We were just trying to figure out how to air drop.

Essentially same. And I apologize for how long this may be. I am autistic and a chronic rambler. Never apologize. Longer the better, baby. Hell yeah. So onto the story. I'm from a small town in Southwest England, which is very historically significant and very haunted. Can I live there? I know. I have tons of

my own stories I could send in, but this one is my boyfriend's. I will be calling him F because the area he lives in is small and close knit and he could easily be identified. I recently listened to your episode on the murder of Sophie Foscon do plenty air. That was perfect. Oh, Really? And I lost my place immediately called F when I heard that it happened in West Cork. He has lived there all his life. Yes, he has an Irish accent And yes, it's absolutely gorgeous. Well, because that was my question. Yeah, it was like, do you swoon daily? You swoon a lot, because I went.

And I wondered if you had heard of the case or of Ian Bailey. God damn it. Daffin your name up and something else. Wasn't expecting anything too interesting. He's not really into cheer crime. Finds a little spooky how obsessed I am. Right? Guys always find it weird. But in true Irish fashion, he gave me a casual, oh yeah, I know the guy, to be read in an Irish accent. I was gonna say I was gonna try to do it, but I can't even do Irish.

I'm not an Irish. It usually just goes English. Oh yeah, I know the guy. There you go. That was the guy. Yeah, you're looking at that. Hey. How are you, Rich? And he proceeded to recount the wildest events I could have expected. For F, first met Ian Bailey when he was seven at a market. He was running a stall selling wooden trays and bowls.

And he sold F, a small vintage toy car. The car became F's favorites, and oh, sorry. The car became F's favorite, and he played with it for years, not knowing it had been handled by an alleged murderer. This was only the first of multiple encounters he had with Ian Bailey,

which is absolutely wild to me, but unsurprising, considering the low population of rural, rural, rural. I told you it's the same thing, you know. We need to abolish this word. F recalls teachers and parents warning children not to talk to Ian, and calling him a, quote, bad guy. But no one talked about the murder specifically and he only introduced himself as Ian So when F met him again selling food at a market in town of

Coloniality Perfect I have no idea It was like mailed in Clono Clono kill He only saw him as a regular old man This part of the story disturbs me especially

because he bought the guy's cake. Ooh. He bought an A, a piece of cake, which had been made by a potential murderer. Eek. This shit is wild I literally cannot. He claims the cake was very nice. I do not want to taste the good one.

At least it was good to taste the good one. Yeah, he's like, it's very moist. Yeah, there you go. He describes Ian as a friendly and charismatic and compared him to Ted Bundy, but it should also be noted that he could be absolutely terrifying to young women. He would often flirt with them only to become angry

when they rejected his advantage, advance his, and he would often change emotions quickly. A family friend of F's best friend, once went to a party at a pub in Skull and spotted him standing on a bridge. She waived at him a smile and he turned to look at her with a cold expression on his face. He then smiled and waived back before switching his expression back to a blank stare. Ugh, I know. He even spotted on this bridge many times by numerous adults close to F, including his former camp leader, who was Ian Bailey's neighbor, and his friend's parents. He often acts suspicious, and F claims that, quote,

everyone knows he's guilty, but no one can prove it. Ugh. The most recent encounter F had with Ian was at the age 15 when buying a book from him at a market. He showed me the book and flicked through the pages exclaiming, he touched this. He talked for a while and he gave F a bookmark for the book. F says he speaks like a pretty normal guy, but he still felt uncomfortable knowing what he could have done.

F has also visited school on numerous occasions. He says that the house is in the hills, slightly away from the main town, and that it is very quiet and secluded. He claims that there is very strange feeling there, that he can't really put into words. He said, quote, maybe a presence, a ghost, or a banshee, a very heavy morbid presence. We are very heavily present there. It's not when you walk into a place, it's like it does feel like that. Yeah. And it's a creepy feeling. Oh, yeah.

The Lizzy Bordenhouse. Oh my God. Have you ever been there? The Lizzy Bordenhouse. Especially the Abbey's Room. Yup. Abbey's room was crazy. And our phone started going crazy

and there we were taking live video and it just stopped working. It kept in time. And it was this weird, like, heavy feeling in there. But you were just like, I don't know what's going on. And I've always questioned that on ghost shows when they're like, our equipment's not working. Like, I feel this heaviness and it's like,

Oh, because then you sound like those TV shows, it stopped working. Like, I feel this heavy news. And it's like, oh, because then you sound like those TV shows, it's not working. Yeah, literally. Literally. And we're like, no seriously, we're like, no big, it's working again. You're like, seriously, that. That's what I was like.

You were like feeling sick. Yeah, I got super nauseous. She had to like, literally back out of that. That's happening before. Yeah, that's a weird thing, huh? It was like, it's like, it's explic before. Yeah, that's a weird thing. It was like an explicable. Yeah. I thought that this was all absolutely wild and had to share with you. F has had many experiences separate from

this concerning aliens and the supernatural. I will persuade him to let me share them. He seems to be followed by everything dark and morbid, including me, which I would never expect from anyone so outwardly joyful and colorful. I will try to attach the only photo I have with my boyfriend, age seven at the time, with Ian. Ooh, yeah. If my poor technological skills allow it, I will also attach a photo of my most recent painting, which is completely unrelated, but I feel you will both appreciate the weirdness of it in a way which most people don't.

Oh my god, it's beautiful. I love that. If you've made it to the end, thank you for reading, keep being amazing. Love, Sage. Sage. I'm keeping amazing. I know that's such a good name. Damn.

Let's see this painting. This painting is so cool. Let me see. Let me see that. Let me share with Bailey. Look. Damn. Let's see this painting. This painting's so cool. Let me see. Let me see that. Let's share with Bailey. Look at that. Oh, I love that.

Oh, that's so cool. And wicked girls. Good for you, Sage. Showing it to the room. And look at the seven year old with Ian Bailey, alleged murderer. Wow. I've never heard of Ian Bailey.

What do you do? So allegedly, some people believe that he murdered Sophie Toscan Duplante. It's like a very... How would you describe that case? It's very controversial. Yeah, really? Yeah. It was the French government basically convicted or did convict him of the murder. But Ireland will not send him over to France. Like they won't extra-dite him because I think they don't think he did it.

Why? So there's these very big camps of like he did it, he didn't do it, and you're like, you know. I really got it. I have no idea. I didn't episode about it like a couple months ago. Yeah, only it was like a one part, and then I think there was like a Netflix documentary about it at one point. Yeah. It's really interesting. I was listening to you guys' episodes. In a very sad case.

Yeah. It happened like it was very horrific. It was like the day after Christmas I want to say, or like the day before Christmas. And she was like this beautiful, just like go get her kind of girl. Like, you know, that was the thing like it didn't seem like there was one but whoever killed her she was brutally brutally attacked And that bridge played a big part in the case too because people said they saw him on the bridge And his eye was the bridge that he just mentioned this interesting thing Because he would just be standing on that bridge and people either saw them and then pulled back the confession saying

They didn't see him on that bridge. People either saw them and then pulled back the confession saying they didn't see them on the bridge. So that's the thing like you're getting all these. But then people said that they were like scared out of confessing. Yeah. They did confess and then they were intimidated. It's great. So it's one of those that's like really convoluted. Oh wow. Yeah. I was so bad. Like let's just say in a perfect world like he is 100% innocent. Could you imagine how shitty that is? I think that's why he moves. That's the thing. But maybe that's why.

Maybe he thinks that. And it's like either he's innocent and he's scared. That like, because as we know, because he can't look at the West Memphis 3, you can be completely innocent and still almost be put to death. Yeah, I know. So it's like, maybe he's like, I don't know if I can prove this or he's not. And he knows that they can't go anywhere. Yeah. So it's like he's just being an asshole like, haha. That's a thing. I can see it. Either way, that's fuck. But I do. You can see it

going both ways. Yeah. And I do always think though when these people, I'm like, if they are innocent, can you imagine? Well, we always say that going back to Lizzie Borden about her, the rest of her life, people would just like sing a song about her brutally murdering her parents. And if she didn't do it, which there is a lot of evidence to support that she didn't. And it was a catchy song.

It was such a good song. It was such a good song. Yeah, that's the thing. And people would go up to like her new home there and like sing it. And she's like this old lady. And these kids are like throwing rocks at her door and singing that she killed her parents.

And it's like, what if she didn't? What if she just came home on like what if she just found them that way? She just seems lean into it. Be like, I sure did. Well that's the thing. That's the thing. I would just be like, then you probably shouldn't

be throwing rocks at my door. I would just have a mirror. I mean, that's the thing. She'd be the character. Yeah, into it. Like, was it maple croft a mirror. That's the thing. It would just be the character. Yeah, into it. Like, was it Maplecroft? Yeah. Sorry, yeah, that was the name of her second home.

Wow, poor thing. Yeah. Do you wanna, should we do one last small one? Yeah. Well, that's not small. Well, I'm a vampire second. Oh, that's so cute. So you have a second book coming out.

I do. Congratulations. Thank you. That's incredible. Thank you you have a second book coming out. I do. Congratulations. Thank you. That's incredible. Thank you. It's like so much fun. I love that. Like, I just want to write books like all day every day.

It's so much fun. Is it something that you would like to continue doing? Yeah. I have so many ideas for future ones too. It's so cool. That I'm just like eager to dive into. For you. Thank you.

Found you. It's very like cathartic. The really big catharsis. I'm just like eager to dive into. For you. Thank you. Found you. It's very like cathartic, the really big catharsis. I'm just so good at it. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. Once I started doing Word of Mystery makeup, it was when I realized like, Oh, writing is fun.

It's so fun and so thorough. And then you're searching and all that. Like, I love all that part. And it's like, we're having it when you're done, like all this like thing that you're like, I did that. Like that's the, you did that shit girl. Yeah, it feels good. It's like your it when you're done, like, like all this, like, thing that you're like, I did that. Like, that's the... You did that shit, girl. Yeah, it feels good.

It's like your little diary. Yeah. I know, yeah. It's scary. When you put, like, the book went out, it's so, you have this weird dichotomy of feelings where you're like, I want everyone to read it. But I also am terrified for one person to read it.

Like, it's literally like, no one read it. But everyone read it. I know, I can't imagine that. Yeah, it's really insane. It's like a ball. It is. It is, it's like a diary. Because even like when I write a case and then I present it, I'm like, oh God, everybody's

gonna hate it. I can imagine it being like a ball. A ball. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Amazing. Thank you. Congratulations.

Thank you. You're welcome. I wish nothing but success for you. Oh. Same right back to you. Thank you. I love this. Nothing but love. I think the love here. Just. Thank you. I loved this. Nothing but love.

I think the love here. Just support you guys. I want you guys to do amazing. Oh my god. Thank you. What's love? All right, I found one and it's pretty small. Okay, cool.

Okay, we're back, guys. We're back. That time I met a murderer. It says, okay, so I was just listening to the that time I met a murderer episode. And it completely unlocked my experience from deep within the vault. More of an, oh, ha ha, that happened kind of thing. Picture it. Defiance Ohio, summer 2004. I was freshly graduated from high school and desperate for that first tattoo.

So I popped into a shop town with not a stitch of research done mind you. It was a different time. We didn't have the internet in our hands with reviews and all that jazz. Anywho, Dude Man says he can do it and come back at blank time. So I go around up my best friend for support. Her sweet, sweet mom tried hard to talk me out of it. Something we would joke about for years after. Anywho, we got there and the guy kind of gets me all set up, but you can't ever in a million years guess what 18 year old Courtney got? Why yes, a butterfly on my lower back.

Love. Yes, perfect. Love. Very, very early Aughts tattoo. Yeah. So we get going on this but and the guy was not gentle or kind. I kept flinching and that made him yell at me. At one point he stopped and said he was done and not going to finish. He did keep going and did finish and I was the proud owner of a new tramp stamp. Woohoo! Fast forward six months. My support friend called me and said to check out the Toledo Blade. Toledo. Thank you. Wow, that was dumb. Toledo. Toledo Blade, a front page.

So I hop on my good old desktop and found an article about the guy who did my tattoo and his girlfriend and how they were wanted for murder. Oh, can you imagine like having you have a tattoo by him now? Yeah, that's a lot. That's true. Oh, girlfriend learned a guy into a sketchy motel with the promise of sexy time, and that two guy was waiting there where he proceeded to rob and shoot him. And poor guy just wanted some nookie. Oh, that's really sad.

That's horrible. And also they wrote the thing, not me. Um, I had to do some digging to find any articles about this because it's been almost two decades. Oof, that hurts to say. But I found where they fled Tick and Tucky and he ended up killing the girlfriend. Oh my god. He then fled to Nashville, where he was captured and brought back to Ohio. He was convicted and sentenced to 32 years.

Four years later, he was talking with his parole officer and confessed to killing the girlfriend and said where her body could be found. So now he's in for life. Damn. And then they attached the link for us. It says, um, so yeah, fucking wild, but it does make the story of my first tattoo a good party story. That's true. That's true. That's true. I would bring that one up. Yeah. So the whining's like supposed for real. For sure. They said, thank you for reminding me of it. But please share the next time you, please share the next time you do a metamurderer episode. I would lose what cool is left in my 36 year old self.

You guys are awesome and I've grown to love and depend on your podcast. I always listen while I'm opening up my bar at work and it helps me get past the, ugh, I'm at work feeling. Aw, thank you. Oh my God. That is bonkers. I can't believe how many people have encountered

just murders on a street like this, you know, right? So many we have so many that are not even like in this folder. Yeah, just like lingering in the email. Oh, yeah, wow It's crazy. We could do so many of these installments. Yeah Do you have anything you want to plug? I'm sure you do because you're always working on all culture Murder mystery makeup as usual. How are you? How are you? My favorite. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I really recommend. Thank you. Go check it out. You can find me anywhere you listen to podcasts. Yeah. Social media, whatever. You know, I'm here. I'm around. I'm just here. You know, I'm here. I'm around.

I'm just here. You know, you can find me if you want. No, that's okay too. Yeah, you can find me floating. I mean, we're having a lot of time. I'm still very honored. I appreciate it. Thank you.

You guys need to come out to California. So I can show you LA. So I can show you my place. Yeah. I'm my show. We would love that. Yeah. We still have to do something.

I've never been to California. You haven't? Only when I was like a little baby, and I don't remember show. We would love that. Yeah. We love to do something. I've never been to California. You haven't? Only when I was like a little baby, and I don't remember it. Okay. I've been there, but I was visiting an ex-boyfriend who was like the worst ever. So we need to get in the way. So I would love to have a better view.

Yeah, so we need a different experience. I need to. I can help. Start that one over here. Yeah, we'll come ahead. Yeah, we'll refer to it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that'd be fun.

And we can go on those Hollywood, like they have their own little murder twits. Yeah, you fun and we can go on those Hollywood like they have their own little murder Tweet. Yeah, you know, you can see like the Manson house like the black doll. Yeah, that would be cool. It's pretty fascinating. Yeah, not really but Nice people. Yeah. So shine. Defensive. I love it. No, seriously, thank you so much for coming on.

And thank you guys for listening. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But that's a weird that you met a murderer because Holy Cal, that's crazy. And listen to your instincts. Yeah. Keep it somewhere that you listen to those. And keep it so weird that you keep telling us about when you do meet murders.

And don't be afraid to say no. Yeah, be a bitch. We have lots of advice for you. Don't keep it so weird that you're not a raging bitch. Yes, just try to your inner New England, Aries, Italian woman. Yes, that one listeners grandma. Do it! Great bye, bye.

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