Morbid - Episode 476: Bobby Mackey's Music World

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

When musician Bobby Mackey opened Bobby Mackey’s Music World in 1978, he had hoped for nothing more than to open a small nightclub where audiences could enjoy the traditional country music he had devoted his life to for decades. Yet before the club was even opened, it was apparent to Bobby, his wife Janet, and manager Carl that whatever the new night club was going to be, it would be anything but normal.In the decades since it opened, Bobby Mackey’s Music World has gained a reputation, not just as a one of Kentucky’s enduring country western clubs, but as one of America’s supposedly most haunted locations. Indeed, Bobby Mackey’s is said to be the home of several spirits whose lives revolved around, and in some cases ended on the property, including the ghosts of a lovesick showgirl, a headless pregnant woman, and the two Satan-worshipping men who took her head.Thank you to the glorious David White for research assistance :)ReferencesAssociated Press. 1978. "State to probe fire at club near Newport." Courier-Journal, July 10: 6.—. 1993. "Legality of lawsuit blaming bar for ghost antics to be decided." Messenger-Inquirer, October 23: 17.Caraway, Robin. 2006. "Wilder nightclub site has storied past." Cincinnati Post, July 17: 14.Chicago Chronicle. 1896. "Pearl Bryan's story." Chicago Chronicle, May 10: 33.Cincinnati Enquirer. 1979. "Kentucky closes Mackey's club, citing faulty wiriing, sprinkler." Cincinnati Enquirer, December 16: 26.—. 1978. "Wilder police chief wants state to close Hard Rock Cafe." Cincinnati Enquirer, January 17: 17.Hensley, Douglas. 2005. Hell's Gate: Terror at Bobby Mackey's Music World. Denver, CO: Outskirts Press.Moores, Lew. 1993. "Court filing by club's lawyer is poetry in motion." Cincinnati Enquirer, October 22: 26.2005. A Haunting. Television. Directed by Joe Wiecha. Performed by New Dominion Pictures.Wecker, David. 1991. "Bobby Mackey demon story: truth or bull." Cincinnati Post, July 9: 11.Wolfson, Andrew. 2022. "A twisted tale: A failed abortion, a beheading and pennies left heads up at a grave." Courier Journal, May 4.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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But he's like, that's a scary mask. A scary mask, bro., bro. Scary mask. Well, it kind of works out that we're in silly giving men I have a haunting today a haunting I have a the haunting of one Bobby Mackey's music world Everybody's like oh you guys on drugs today. No, but it's a crazy day. Crazy. So I'm just going to start at the beginning. Does that sound good to you? That's always an awesome place to start. Fantastic. This is a fun story and it's also a scary story and there's also some parts that are not fun. Awesome, I love that. Awesome, I love that. Way heavier on the scary. Oh.

So we're going to start by talking about Bobby Mackey. He opened Bobby Mackey's music world in 1978. And when country singer Bobby Mackey opened the nightclub that he named after himself, his main goal was basically just to make it like a tight-knit, small little nightclub where people would come, hang out, vibe, dance, just enjoy some country music. Just like quaint goals. Quaint goals. But by 1978, he had spent more than 12 years traveling around the country, either with his own country western band or as an employee with the railroad. And at that point, he was like very, very ready to settle down

after those 12 years. He had been born and raised in a super small town, Concord, Kentucky. The latest population is literally 19. Whoa. As of 2022, I looked it up the other day and it's latest population again for the people in the back, is 19.

19. 19. That's not even old enough to drink. Nope. Nope, not a Bobby Mackey's. But so he was from that small town, and he was kind of ready to get back to that small town lifestyle after all the traveling and everything. And there was like a few reasons for that sudden urge to settle,

aside from the traveling over more than a decade, he was now married and his wife Janet was actually pregnant. And like I said, he really wanted to open his own nightclub. He told producers from Discovery Channel, it was either moved to Nashville or get my own place. Oh, but it turned out he didn't have to look too far from home to find the perfect spot for his new club Because a couple years earlier an old roadhouse on Route 9 in Wilderken Tucky closed down

And as it turned out it had actually previously been used as a nightclub Ah, so it was already set up for you know a nightclub a nightclub Yeah, no, it was set up pretty perfectly But at the very least it was a good start. So Bobby told reporters, in my mind's eye, I could see it all, I could see the crowd, I could see people dancing,

so there was nothing going to stop me. I had to have the place. I had to have it. But like apparently, Bobby didn't see and couldn't sense that the place was totally and completely haunted. Oh. Wanted as fuck. So the property, which actually still sits and is like open, at 44 Licking Pike, it has had a very long and very legendary history that started way before it was a

nightclub, a roadhouse, or really anything. When it was first purchased, it was actually home to a slaughterhouse and a meat packing plant. That'll do it. And what was known at the time as Finchtown. It wasn't even wilder yet. Oh. Now the plant was built in 1850, so that's how far we're going back. And it closed a few decades later.

But something about it, like something about the property, kept people in town talking even years after it had closed. A lot of people felt like the area was either haunted or used by their local Satan worshippers slash occultists. My favorite thing ever. Because, yeah, of course. And they figured that these groups of people would find it a great spot to use for their rituals because there actually really was a well

that had been built back when it was a slaughterhouse. Like back when the slaughterhouse was running that collected all the animal fluids, specifically the blood. Oh. And that well and the legend surrounding it would later play a huge part in actually a murder. The 1896 murder of one pearl Brian. Oh. This is a real story. Oh, damn. And this is really sad. In the 1896, you said. 1896. Pearl was a 22-year-old girl from Indiana

and late in January of 1896. She told her parents that she'd gotten a telegram from a family friend in Indianapolis. I said it. I could never say that. Indianapolis? I'm not gonna try again, because I haven't said it. But so she got that telegram from that place

and these family friends asked her to come visit. And she was like, hell yeah, sounds awesome. So she set off on her trip and just sadly, days later, on February 1st, her body was found decapitated. Oh my God. In a large field, less than 600 yards from Fort St. Thomas,

and very close by to the abandoned slaughterhouse. Ooh. So the coroner determined that Pearl had actually been drugged with cocaine just prior to her death. And the cause of death was obviously the decapitation. Oh God. And they believed that she had been killed where her body was discovered in that field.

Unfortunately, the coroner also said that pearl would have been alive when the decapitation started. Oh my God! Yes! So, 1896 investigators started trying to put the pieces of the case together and they found out that the last time pearl had been seen alive was on the evening of January 31st. And she was spotted with two men, Scott Jackson and Alonzo Walling. Now the last time the three of them, excuse me, were spotted, was in a cab from Cincinnati that was headed back in the direction of Fort Thomas, where she was found. Now the detectives are pretty sure that these two guys had something to do with Pearls murder and they were right on the right track.

When Scott Jackson was arrested, he told the police that he and Pearl had secretly been in a relationship for the past several months. And that recently, he had found out that she was pregnant and he was not exactly pleased about this. I just wanna put a trigger warning here because this is gonna be a little bit tough going forward just for this one section. Just a trigger warning for loss of pregnancy, slash miscarriage stuff. Thanks. You're welcome. So he was, like I said, not happy that she was pregnant

and suggested that Pearl try to induce her own miscarriage by drinking, I think is it air got? Or got, yeah. Air got, which is a fungus and rye mixed together. That's what they tried to blame the sale on which trials on. Oh shit you're right. I forgot about that. So she obviously refused this because she was like I'm not going to do that. And she refused it multiple times like he kept being like no this is what you need to do like we're not having a baby you need to drink this. And

she's like no she gets to decide their friend. Yeah, her body, her choice. Yeah. And it's like, you don't have to be a part of this baby's life if you don't want to. I can't believe you. Go away. Bye. See ya.

Never. So she kept refusing, kept refusing. And finally, he sent her himself to Cincinnati to have an abortion performed. Now, from the story, it sounds like she either didn't go or did, but didn't go through with the abortion. Okay. So on the night of January 31st, Scott and Alonzo there invited Pearl out and they slipped cocaine into her drink hoping that that would cause a miscarriage.

Oh my God. Got two fucking assholes. Now, that didn't seem to work as far as they were concerned, which I was like, how would you really know? I was just going to say. But they didn't give it any time. And they decided their only option left now would be to murder Pearl and the unborn baby.

Now, the reason that they wanted to decapitate her was because they believed that she wouldn't be able to be identified without her head. Which like, I know it's 1896, and like obviously, you know, certain things are available, but like, wow, okay Wow, and that's just fucked up. It's super fucked up And like you loved this girl enough to have a relationship with her by God to get her pregnant

Like Jesus Seriously, so once they killed her they dumped her body in that field outside of Fort Thomas But when it came down to it, they both ended up giving different stories about what had happened to Pearl's head, what they had done with it. One of them said that they threw it into a reservoir on their way back to Cincinnati. Oh God. Can you imagine? Which I don't think is what happened.

And the other one said that they had buried her head in a sand bar near Dayton. Now it doesn't seem like either of those two stories are the case, but they never found Pearl's head. She had to be buried with that her head. The fucking kidding me. Detectives believed and suspected that they had probably destroyed her head in an incinerator because Scott Jackson was a student at a dental school and had access to that incinerator. Holy shit.

Locked up. That's wild. So they ended up being executed, obviously, for Pearls murder on March 20th, 1897. And you would think that that would put an end to the story. But people still were talking about the mystery surrounding the case ever since. Eventually, the talk of the case would slow down. But for a while, people were heavily focused on this. Yeah, this is huge. Right. So Scott, Alonzo and Pearl have all been worked into the legends and the stories surrounding

the abandoned slaughterhouse and then everything else it would come to be. Now some legends claim that they were Satanists and that Pearl had been murdered during a ritual sacrifice. And those legends say that the reason Pearl's head was never found was because it was thrown into the well of the slaughterhouse, which was like super, super deep. Yeah. But by the 1920s, they decided,

you know what, maybe we should fucking tear down that old slaughterhouse because damn, if it really is being used for which rituals and to capture places, we should get rid of it. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Now, like I said, people weren't really talking is being used for which rituals and to capture places. We should get rid of it. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Now, like I said, people weren't really talking about the legend of what happened to Pearl as often because they were more focused on modern things, like prohibition and gambling.

Yeah. Fun things. Old sport? Well, prohibition's not fun. But in 1933, just as prohibition was about to end, also, I should acknowledge that you said old sports. That was funny. That's okay. I felt you understand it in your soul. I did. Yeah. I love Gatsby.

But just as it was about to end, a man named Ernest Buck Brady bought the roadhouse and opened it up as a restaurant and casino, and he ended up naming it the Primrose. Which I think's really good. That is pretty, right? Now, in no time, the place was hopping. People loved hanging out there, but more importantly, they liked spending their money there. Now, that latter part obviously brought attention from the mob. Oh, that old thing. Oh yeah, that old thing. Eventually, they were actually able to pressure Buck into selling the club to them.

So the mob took over. Damn. The mob is like mine. Mine, money pit, all took it. Take it, take it. So Frank, screw, Andrews. Yep. They called him Screw. Yeah, they did, of course.

I don't ask why. Absolutely. He managed the now rebranded club that they were calling the Latin Quarter. Ooh. Sexy. And it gained even more popularity. Now in the 1950s, it was actually

the or one of the most popular illegal gambling dens in the area. And it went on that way for 11 years. Wow. Right? An illegal gambling den? That's a good run. That's a good run.

I don't know what the typical run is. Me neither, but that feels like a good one. It feels pretty great. I mean, over a decade. Yeah. Let's go. Like a middle schooler. But like, let's not go, because yeah, illegalities.

Yeah, you know, there's that. But in 1961, the residents of the town were like, hey, criminal activity's a little too rife here. And law enforcement, like maybe could you crack down on that a bit? Yeah. And law enforcement was like, yeah, we should probably do that. So they did.

And they closed down the club. All right. And so it's that empty for a few more years until it reopened in the 70s as a hard rock cafe. Hell yeah. And it's really funny because like I feel like everybody's been to a hard rock cafe. 100%. And usually they just have like you know cool memorabilia and a good burger.

Yeah. This hard rock cafe was hard rock. Hell yeah it was because if the residents were on comfy before they did not realize that things were going to get a whole lot worse. According to the Cincinnati inquirer, the hard Rock catered to a little bit of a rougher crowd of people, made up of, quote, all people from out of town with an interest in live hard rock music. Hell yeah!

Dun dun dun dun! I feel like it's just a bunch of, like, um like barbs from Trolls World Tour. Oh my god, you're such a mom and I love you for that. I was like, barbs and then I thought you were going down like a stranger thing. So now I'm not getting in. I went to Trolls World Tour. And I said, Trolls and then I was like, oh! And then you knew.

I fucking love barbs. It's just a bunch of barbs being like, let's rock! We have the rock string! Oh yeah! Let's go, brothers! But that was like the weird thing about this property. No matter what it was operating as, a roadhouse, the Primrose, the Latin Quarter, the hard rock, there was always some kind of criminal element attached to it. You know, it's just, it's just like, that's, that's its thing. It was just like, criminal! It's this place is just like, it's kind of my thing.

Yeah, of criminal elements always. It's kind of like a Lexus from Shit's Creek. Yeah, it's a little bit criminal. It's a little bit criminal when it drives its car. But apparently though, it's time as the hard rock was the most violent. Oh, I didn't see that coming. Nor did I, but I thought the mob would have been those things, you know.

Me too, but maybe that was just less reported on it. Here I am learning things, you know. I'm sure that it probably was when it was the mob, but we just don't know much about that. And I'm not going to talk about it in a way. Well, at the police, anyways, they write things down, and that's why we know about this. That's the right things, down.

Reports, but they were constantly going down there to break up Well, at the police anyways, they write things down and that's why we know that this reports. But they were constantly going down there to break up the lights, to risk on to accidents, or worse, to investigate crime scenes. Lots of deaths. Oh, yeah. The wilder police chief. Oh, no. It is.

The wilder police chief, Robert Schindler, I believe it is, told reporters, we have had an awful lot of trouble down there, but most of it happens in the parking lot. Oh. Now by the time the club, like the Hard Rock Cafe closed at the end of 1977, several murders had taken place in the parking lot. Oh wow.

And actually just weeks before it closed its doors as the Hard Rock, a man had been killed with a shotgun and a couple of months before that, another man had also been shot to death as he was leaving the lot. Damn. Yeah, intense. That parking lot.

Just like, I think it would close and a lot of bar fights would take place and, you know, it kind of attracts you. We're that's where everybody kind of spills out. Right. Exactly. And I think it just attracted a rougher crowd. Geez. But all that to say, the property had gone through a lot of loss, he kind of spills out. Right. Exactly. And I think it just attracted a rougher crowd. Geez.

But all that to say, the property had gone through a lot of loss, a lot of violence and tragedy by the time Bobby laid eyes on it in 1978. But again, he had no fucking idea. All he saw was the future home of Bobby, Mackie's music world. I love that name. I do too. It's really fun. It's pretty intense. He's a squirrel. He's a squirrel, man's a world man world tour

world tour It's the crystals Like I just opened her mother with world and like hung on it for a while, that's like, where's this going? I'm just doing it to the turn of the tune of world star. You remember those videos? They were always horrible. You'd be like, whoa. It's the crystals. It's the crystals. They do and stuff that do that. They're making me all silly and goofy.

It's their Christmas. They do and stuff that do that make them be all so little goofy That's just rock voice is like world tour. It sounds like a shit porn. It's like Who's a maniacal laugh Back to business. Building the nightclub. Bobby might not have had a bad feeling. Like I've told you 47 times now. But the first time she got out of the car

and laid eyes on the place, his wife Janet sure fucking did. In fact, the very first time she laid eyes on this place, she said as she closed the car door and turned to look to the building, she swore she saw a person move in the doorway, and then she saw the front door close. But there wasn't anybody supposed to be inside. Did she tell someone that when it happened, or was that like a later recollection?

Fun fact, she told Bobby. Okay, it's my next. Because I was like, you should tell someone. She didn't. She was like, hey, Bob, Bobby, there's a person in there. She said, but he just laughed it off and he greatly made Bob, Bob, hey, there's a person in there, she said, but he just laughed it off and eagerly made his way inside. Yeah, you know why not, whatever.

It was the middle of the day, the slowly light outside, but still Janet just couldn't shake the feeling that there was something eerie about this club. It had an energy that she just did not like. Eek. And when she got inside, she probably didn't really feel much better.

The place was dimly lit. All the tables and the chairs were still set up. There was posters and decorations hung on the wall. Oh, creepy. It basically looked like whoever had owned the place before just walked out one day and never came back. Wow. Because that actually is kind of exactly what happened.

Well, that's actually what happened. It was like that because that's what happened. Yeah. But I don't know. She just, she didn't feel like her and Bobby were alone, I guess is how I would say it. All right. She later said it felt like someone was in there

and there wasn't nobody in there but him and I. Oh. And to make matters worse as she made her way toward the kitchen, she started to hear what sounded like a man and a woman having an argument. But when she pushed open the swinging doors that led to the kitchen, it was completely empty. Oh.

So she looked around a little bit more, but there was nobody there except her and Bobby, and they weren't arguing. Ooh, weird. That's like people will hear, in a lot of hauntings, you hear people having a conversation with each other or something. Yeah.

That freaks me out for some reason, but like the auditory content. Yeah, what is that called? It is in an AM. You talked about it in the lighthouses when the guy was coughing. It's a residual. Is that what it is?

What it is a residual, huh? I think you know. I think you're just like just always having that experience kind of thing. Yeah, it's freaky. It is. And I think your first thought is kind of like, oh my God, it was people like still there

having that argument. But I don't think it's that. I think it's energy. Exactly. Oh, so creepy. But so she was obviously super freaked out and she's later said, I wanted to get out of there as soon as possible.

Yeah, I don't believe you. But Bobby, on the other hand, he could not have been more enthusiastic and he wasn't hearing any of what she was hearing. He's just, you know, he's thinking of possibilities, thinking about the future of the business. Bobby Mackey's music world. Yeah, I mean, if I had that in front of me, I would probably be plowing ahead too, right? Exactly.

He was very excited. He was poking around the building. He was singing to himself, just checking things out. Oh, yeah, he's got a new place. And all the while, Janet is just standing by the door, waiting to get the fuck out of there. And after a while, she was like, hey, can we leave? I'm scared it's fuck.

Let's go. And finally, they did. But as they drove home, she could tell. Because at this point, they hadn't purchased it. They were just kind of like scoping locations. But she knew that this one, like, was the one that Bobby had fallen in love with. She's not going to get them out of it. No, one she didn't want to, like was the one that Bobby had fallen in love with. She's not gonna get them out of it. No, one she didn't want to like ruin it and be the damper on it, busts his bubble.

And two, she also knew that she was not going to be able to talk him out of it because Bobby was the kind of guy who would not be talked out of something once his mind was made up. So she's like, why even bother? Exactly. She knew how it was gonna go. And turns out she was right. And just a few weeks later, they were now the official new owners of the building So she's like, why even bother? Exactly. She knew how it was gonna go. And turns out she was right. And just a few weeks later, they were now the official new owners of the building at 44 Licking Pike.

That what a name. Haunted ass building. Licking Pike. Licking Pike. Like that. Every time you say it, I'm like, are you sure? No. No. And the answer is no.

But it's a CI-C-K-I-N-G. No, that's licking. Yeah, I-n-g. No, that's looking. Yeah, I don't like it. There's no other way to say that. I didn't think so. It's just like, does that why? Lickin' Pike. Lickin' Pike.

I don't like it. I'd like to like, pi. Oh, I love pi, right? Sure. Let's call it 44 pi. Pi. What the fuck is? But a few days after signing the papers that made it official,

the Mackeys were at the club, like kind of cleaning out all the decorations that had just been left by the previous owner and all the random junk. And they spotted somebody in the doorway of the club. Now, the figure's startled Janet, who probably was questioning whether it was an actual person or not since she'd already seen a weird figure. This is an apparition. But she called it to Bobby to investigate. And as he got closer, he could see that that figure was actually a real person. This person looked to be about 20 years old, a little bit shorter than Bobby, and just, you know, casually dressed.

Yeah. And he was like, Hey, I'm Carl. Hey, Carl. I'm Carl. I'm Carl. It's like a monkey before Jimmy Neutron. He's like, Oh, no, his name is Paul, never mind. Close.

But there's a Carl in Jimmy Neutron. So there I am, neutron. He's like, oh no, his name is Paul, never mind. Close, but there's a Carl Injury neutron. So there I am. Anyways, I don't know what's going on with hybrid, but he introduced himself as Carl Lawson. And he explained that he had worked at the hard rock before it shut down. And ever since it had shut down, he'd been out of work. And he said, you know, I figured I'd just come by, introduce myself. I know this place inside and out. If you need any help,

I'm your guy. Yeah. He said, I don't think you have the criminal element yet. So like, I can help you to come let you in on all of it. He said, if there's anything you need to know about this place, I'm the man to ask. And then he said, I even saw a guy get killed here once. Which I was like, I, wow. I don't know if you had to throw that in there. What? What a like flex. I feel like you could have liked that part out.

No, weird flex. My guy, I saw a guy get killed here. He's like, I know everything about this place, even the murder of him. He's like, welcome to this building. I saw someone lose their life here. A lot. Welcome home.

It's like, okay. Thank you. A lot. So much. It's like, okay, thank you. A lot. So much. So probably for that reason, Janet wasn't so sure about Carla at first. Yeah. But again, she was five months pregnant at the time, and Bobby knew that too, obviously. So he was like, I'm probably going to need some extra help around here sooner or later. So, you know what, let's take Carla up on the offer.

Yeah. And he also figured and Janet did too, that Carl's knowledge about the club would's take Carl up on the offer. Yeah. And he also figured and dreaded too that Carl's knowledge about the club would make him an asset along the way, especially once they opened the place. For sure. So he started right away and he seemed to be over the moon to be back. Like, he loved being there. I thought this was a red flag at first. It's not. Okay, because I was going to be like, what is going on with Carl? No, Carl's a good one. I feel like he just really loves this. So if you love what you do, you never work a day in your life. That's cool.

Actually, I think Carl loved this place, and I also think that this place loved Carl. That was beautiful. It's not though. Oh, okay. Yeah, it sounds profound in the story. I don't know this story, so I'm really flying by the scene of my pants here.

I don't know this story. I literally don't know this story. I don't know what happens. I don't know her. I don't know her. So I thought that was beautiful, but apparently it is not so. It might be beautiful like in the very end, but I feel like at this moment in time, the place was like calling to Carl. In my opinion, at least. And not calling like, hey Carl, miss you. It's calling like, cool, get back here, you little shit. Okay.

That kind of like that, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, you know, but he also told Janet once he started, he said, don't worry about the ghosts in here. They're my friends. Oh, he's adorable, I love it. That's really sweet, I kind of love it. I love him a lot. I love you, Carl. I love you. But she just wrote the comment off to Carl, having, you know,

like a bit of an offbeat personality and not much more. Yeah. You know, she would probably feel different as her time at the club went on. Uh-oh. And actually a few days later, she'd probably feel pretty different. Uh-oh. So a few days later, she was cleaning in the main room of the club, and she heard arguing again, coming from the kitchen. It kind of sounded like the same voices that she had heard the first day that she and Bobby had come to the club. So she made her way to the kitchen again very cautiously this time. And again, she found it completely empty.

And as soon as she walked in though, she heard a weird sound coming from the sink. So she went over to check it out. And as she peered into the sink, it started to fill up with a thick red liquid that looked like blood. Whoa! So she started backing away from the sink completely horrified, but then suddenly she felt a huge hand on her back that started pushing her back toward the sink. Oh my god.

And she said the more she struggled, the stronger the force seemed to get. I don't know about that. It seemed to her, like, whatever was pushing her, was determined to force her head under this liquid. I would want to talk to Carl immediately and be like, are these your friends? Well, then you would have been happy

because immediately he came running into the kitchen responding to Janet's screaming. immediately and be like, are these your friends? Well, then you would have been happy because immediately he came running into the kitchen responding to Janet screaming. And as he walked in, the force let up. She literally, like later, Janet said, if it wasn't for him, who knows what would have happened next? Oh, I feel like you got to talk to your friends, Carl. Right. You got to, you better set them straight.

Like you said, these ghosts were your friends. This ghost just tried to kill me. This is on you. You are who you hang with. Okay. Guilty by association. You better make this right. You are the company. You keep Carl Paul. That's a litteration right there. Carl Paul. Sujana and Carl immediately went to Bobby because they were like, bitch, you own this place. Yeah. This is not good. They were like, uh, I almost just got drowned in a sink full of blood. And I also heard phantom arguing just like the first day that we got here. Which that sounds so like, we don't even need to mention it anymore. But I was like phantom arguing, that's terrifying.

And then the sink filled up with blood and they tried to drown her in it. And I'm like, oh, you're like, score that. I don't think I should talk about the arguing anymore. Honestly, forget it. Well, Bobby didn't want to talk about any of it. He was just like, nah, I don't want to talk about any of it. He was just like, nah, I don't really think there's anything going on here.

Wow. Which I would have been like invalidating me as fuck. Yeah. I am hearing our child, you bitch. I feel like why would I make that up? Like, that's a weird thing to make up. I don't know, maybe if he thought that like, she didn't want the club or something,

but that's like our weird one to make up. Yeah, I don't know. But he said, I don't believe in ghosts. There's got to be some other explanation. Something else can't be that. Yeah, obviously. Let me tell you, the raft drew wood face. If I had a ghost hand shove my ass closer to a fucking sink full of red ooze

that wanted to put my head under that. And he was just like, man, I'll believe it goes. So fuck off. I'm glad. I'm glad. I am angry. Yeah, that's what I would say. I would be.

I am angry. You know what this face is? It's the face of an irritated woman. Angry. I'm mad. I'm stuck. So Jenna and Carl, they were like, yeah, I don't really care if you believe us or not. Angry. I'm mad. I'm stuck. So Janet and Carl, they were like, yeah, I don't really care if you believe us or not,

there's spirits here, Bobby. Yeah. And before long, they would not be the only ones to think that. Because a few nights after the attack on Janet in the kitchen, patrol officer, like literal police officer, Larry Horn's B, it was doing his rounds, and he pulled into the parking lot of Bobby Mackeys just to do a sweep. police officer, Larry Hornsby was doing his rounds and he pulled into the parking lot of Bobby Mackeys just to do a sweep. Now while he was parked in the lot, he thought he saw somebody moving around inside the club, which was closed at the time. So he was like,

oh, shit, that could be a break in. So he called for backup and additional officer. And once that officer arrived, the two of them went into the building announcing themselves as they went in the front door. Inside the club was completely dark, and Horn's Bee was actually starting to second guess. What had you seen through the window? He was like, I don't know. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me. He's like, shit, did I just go back up for nothing?

Exactly. But just as he was second-guessing himself, both officers started hearing noises from the backstage area of the club. Hornsby said, I knew there was a man and woman in a radio playing. I heard the voices and I heard the music. What? So they heard all of that.

And when they reached the area where the noises were coming from, they found that the room was completely empty. Oh, that's fucked up. But as they were searching the room, they heard the front door slam shot. What? So at that point, they were like, I guess like if somebody wasn't here,

they just flood. So maybe there really was someone in here. No way. So they reported what they found and they left the club for the night. And I'm sure they probably were like, damn, like somebody evaded us. Yeah.

Damn. We just got got poop. Pooey. Pooey. Pooey. Pooey. Poo poop. Pooey. Pooey. Pooey. Pooey. Pooey.

Pooey. Pooey. Just a few nights later, Horn's B was back at Bobby Mackies, and this time, he was actually responding to the scene of an accident in the parking lot. Okay. And by this time, he and his partner, or excuse me, sorry, by the time he and his partner were able to get the driver out of the car, the guy had unfortunately died. Oh, I know.

And now it was laying out on the pavement. So Horn's B didn't want to cause a scene. So he started looking around for something in his car that he could use to cover the body. Like, I guess before the first responders got there. And as he was doing that, he said this young woman came up to him and offered him a tablecloth, like the ones that they had inside the club. So he was just like, oh wow, that waitress was so helpful. Yeah, excuse me, that's so great.

So after she handed it to him, she went back inside and, you know, he just went about his job. But later, once the scene had been cleared, he went inside to go thank the woman for the tablecloth. And as soon as he got to the door, he realized it was locked, and it didn't look like anybody had been in the building for hours. What a nice ghost. Right? Wow.

Yeah. That was nice. And there were nice ghosts in there. That's the thing. There's some really fucked up ones, but then there's some nice ones. Yeah, that one's nice. Here's the tablecloth.

I agree. So as spring turned to summer, Bobby was doing a bunch of renovations and Bobby and Janet and they were starting to, you know, come along slowly until a fire threatened to undo everything that Bobby had planned for the club. Oh, no. The fire started on the night of July 8, 1978 and when firefighters got the call, they were told that the fire was of an unexplained origin,

ooh, and that it had started in one of the older parts of the building. Now, according to the fire chief at the time, Edward Sendelbach, investigators had no idea and still don't to this day what started the blaze. Damn. But luckily they were able to get it under control and it didn't do too much damage to the club,

but it did do some damage. The damage is totaled around $2,000, but they were enough to push back the official opening of the club a few more months. Oh, and that sucks. You're going to lose some money on that. You're going to lose some money and you were so close to opening. Yeah. So later that summer, things up Bobby Mackey's music world.

Bobby Mackey, aww. Bobby Mackey's, aww, I couldn't say it. Bobby Mackey's music world. Bobby Mackey, oh. Bobby Mackey's, but oh, I couldn't say it. Bobby Mackey's music world. I almost said magic world. Why do I want to say magic? I don't know, it's like spirits. Yeah, so it's the crystal. So it was rough, it took me three times

and I still didn't say it right. Maybe the fourth time is the term. I'm not meant to, I won't try again. Oh, it's okay. That made me sad, I decided so defeated. I'm not supposed to say that, I guess I'll just go fuck myself Because I want to say magic of sort of music and I'm gonna go out. Bobby McEase Music World

I think you go. You say it better for both of us, so I'm okay with it. All right We'll later that summer things and Bobby McEase Music World There it is. We're finally coming together and everything was on track for their September opening Janet and Carl though though, were still here in weird fucking noises in the club. Good. But there hadn't been any more violent encounters. It was better.

The one that Janet had on the kitchen with the blood in the hands. Because that was violent for everybody. Very violent. Yeah. But that all changed in late August. She went a little while without being violently attacked, but then she was violently attacked again in late August.

And this time, it was really scary, because remember, she's violently attacked again in late August. And this time it was really scary, because remember, she's pregnant. So this not only threatened her life, but the life of their unborn baby. Oh no! This is scary. So according to Janet, she'd been cleaning the office on the second floor, and suddenly she got a weird feeling like she wasn't alone in the room. And as she swept her way back out of the office and onto the landing at the top of the stairs, she felt a man's hand grab her by the arm. Oh, and the shock of, you know, that happening and no one being there

caused her to cry out and whatever had a hold of her actually let go momentarily, but then pushed her and caused her to stumble forward. And then a second push came from behind just seconds later, and that one sent her tumbling down the stairs, the entire flight of stairs. Oh my God.

She fell all the way to the first floor. And later, she said when she glanced up, she thought that she saw the shadow of a man standing on the landing and then it quickly disappeared. Oh, that's fucked up. Right. So obviously that fucking terrified her. And at that point, she was six months pregnant. Oh, that's fucked up. Right. So obviously that fucking terrified her. And at that point, she was six months pregnant.

Oh my God. And looking back on it, she later said, I was so terrified because I thought I was going to lose my bait. Yeah. I was angry. I was terrified. I was everything.

So obviously taking a fall like that when you're pregnant is really concerned. Yeah. No matter how far along are you, how far along you are. So they decided Bobby and Janet to go right to the ER. Yeah. No matter how far along are you, how far along you are. So they decided Bobby and Janet to go right to the ER. Yeah.

And Janet actually ended up having to be induced. At six months. At six months. Holy shit. So she gave birth to a baby girl who at the time weighed only one pound and 15 ounces. Little squirt.

Oh my goodness. Now the baby had to stay in the hospital for weeks, but then she was finally stable enough to go home with her parents. Oh my god, she lived. She lived. Wow. Can you, that is.

Six months, like they were supposed to be in there another three months. Damn. That's so scary. That's really scary. And even though the immediate danger was totally behind them, Janet was done and she refused to step foot in the club again.

And you know what's scary? It immediately made me think of him trying the other guy trying to induce a miscarriage with Pearl. You're onto something, girl, Fountains. Okay, because I immediately was like, Y'all, what the fuck? Is that so scary? That's really scary.

Y'all, and you are onto something so good, good, good, good hang following your vibes there. Good job. I mean, I just was like good, good, good. She just kept pointing at me. Good, good, good, good, good. Good job, good job. So after Janet's fault on the stairs,

Carl started trying to talk to Bobby about what was going on. Oh, yeah. He was like, hey, dude, I tried to tell you before this place is haunted. And maybe we should try to find somebody who could get rid of these spirits. No, like, Jen, it's not coming back here ever. Yeah, they were like, full of that whole part of it. But Bobby was like, no, there's nothing

supernatural going on here. No, no, Bobby. I know. Well, one, he didn't want any bad publicity or rumors negatively affecting the business. Because it hit me people with a honk. That's the thing. That seemed to be like people with a hump. That's the thing. That seemed to be like his thing throughout this whole journey of not wanting to affect the business, but I was like, no, people love haunted shit. Oh yeah, people would be there from all over. You know how many most haunted things in the world?

There is. Oh yeah. A million. So many. But also, he hadn't experienced any of the supernatural phenomenon himself and for that reason, he still didn't believe in ghosts. I don't know about that, Bobby.

Bobby said, I got to see it to believe it kind of guy. Oh, boy. So throughout trying to open the club, obviously, there was a lot of setbacks. And the last one was a faulty sprinkler system. Oh. They realized it during the fire. And since that, or excuse me,

and since that post-it is serious and since that post it a serious safety risk, the opening was pushed back yet again. So Bobby promised to the fire department into the town that he would have it repaired. And in September, he was finally granted to, in September, he was finally granted permission to open on October 27th, 1978. No. Bobbi, Naki's music world of magic and grander had it's grand opening with performances by Jack Reno, I think, and Bobby himself. Oh, cool. He's actually really fucking talented.

But unfortunately, the excitement of the grand opening was very short lived because in early December, Bobby got a written order of closure from the Kentucky Fire Marshall, which gives me coyote ugly vibes. Oh, yeah. Because he failed to fix the sprinkler system. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got that fixed.

You're supposed to do that when you say, well. Yeah, you definitely are. I guess you have a lot of other things going on. You can't pinky promise and then go back. Yeah, no, it takes these back, these Bobby. But the notice also specified, not only would Bobby need to fix the sprinkler system, he would also need to fix any other faulty wiring.

So now they were gonna have to go through the whole fucking place and figure it out. And he was a bit worried because fixing those issues was one gonna be costly on top of everything else he'd already put into the club. And for the first time, he was starting to face the fact that he might need to start all over again from scratch. He told the Cincinnati Inquirer, if it isn't feasible for

me to go on with this place, I'm going to try to find another building close by. I'll definitely land on my feet. The club is something I've been really dedicated to in the last year and three months. I believe in him. I believe in him too. And you know what? You should have, because fortunately, the interruption was only temporary. And Bobby opened back up just a short time later without having to move the business. Which love that you got British there.

I don't really know why I did, but it happened. Crystal's. Crystal. But I'm like, he opened up without having to move the business. Was that a good thing or a bad thing? Yeah, probably a bad thing. You decide. Well, I will.

You will, I will. I will. Now with the major problems behind them or so they hoped, Bobby's hard work did seem to be paying off again. The club was doing really good business, especially on the weekends and it was getting really good reviews. But the supernatural experiences continued. When you just said the supernatural experiences continued, I was like, what does that sound?

I thought it was the roadcaster, and I was like, fuck. Yeah, to me. I know. I thought we were exploding. You thought we were exploding? No, it's happening. Something fell off of something else and it made a weird noise. So I stopped and I listened to the watch. That's a few years just so vigilant over there. I stopped and I listened and I watched.

The real, if you thought we were going to explode, so you stopped and I listened to watched. I don't know if that was quite the way to take care of that. I mean, what else was I to do? What was I meant to do? What was I meant to do? Are we keeping this in? No, why not? Okay.

Something supernatural just occurred, I'm pretty sure. All right. Well, supernatural experience is continued. And now customers, we're beginning to experience that. Oh, shit. Good thing we don't have any customers in here. Bobby was really trying to keep these paranormal rumors about the club from circulating

because I got a club. He thought it was bad for business, but Carl would tell anyone and everyone about the ghosts in the building. Carl knows. I mean, you gotta tell them what they're in for. Number one selling point. I think so.

One night, one of the club's regulars, Mike Gruber, I think is how you say it, was quote, making fun of Carl and his ghost friend. Oh, why would you do that? You know, he found out, he fucked around and he found out. Because he was making fun of Carl and his ghost friend there as he was riding the mechanical ball, which is like a really bold time

to make fun of someone else. It's very, and as he was riding the things started, which is like a really bold time to make fun of someone else. Very. And as he was riding the thing started to speed up out of control. Oh my God. And it reached full speed. Oh damn. Mike called out like slow, this fucking thing down Carl,

but Carl couldn't control the machine and it had gunnuts. And Mike said it was like some force to control of the ball. Yeah, the force you made fun of, man. Listen, this is the only story that I doubt. I don't think this was paranormal. I think Carl said, fuck you asshole. Thank you, I also thought that. That's the only one that I thought.

Yeah. I think Carl was like, oh my god, I can't control this all. Is that a new such a dick? It's like some force in Carl's. Like, it's me, I'm the force. It's me, hi, I'm the force, it's me. You get a role. Hi, my name is force.

But beyond the owners and the customers of Bobby Mackeys, even people who came to do work on the place, experience strange happening. Yes, stay away. Stay away. One afternoon, a carpenter, Johnny France, which like, what a fucking name. Him, Johnny France. I'd be like, yeah, you are.

I feel like he was hot. Johnny France had to have been hot. Johnny France has to be hot. That would be so disappointing. I feel like I didn't think he was hot. Yeah, cool. Cause he, I feel like I didn't think he was hot. I didn't want to say like, if he wasn't hot,

cause like, you might think he's hot, I'm like, I might not. I'm opinion, Johnny France, you know? But he was alone in the main area of the club and he was doing some repays. You know Johnny Frans. Johnny Frans. Do we? We were so like Italian and then we went French. We both were Johnny Frans. France. Maybe it's happened to me. It's not a French. Yep, but he was doing some more peas. And while he was working, he claims that he saw, quote, an entire row of chairs fall over, one after another

as if they were dominoes. Maybe they weren't. They weren't. They were chairs. And according to France, the chairs, quote, fell over as if something invisible was in the room walking between the chairs and knocking them over. Oh, that's spooky.

Isn't that so creepy? Yeah. And Carl had actually seen a very similar thing happen just a few weeks earlier. So this only solidified his feeling that the club was haunted. Yeah. I'd say so. Now, while the ghost story circulated among the patrons and the staff at Bobby Mackie's and the people that did work for them, Everyone just seemed like amused by them.

Yeah. But Carl, on the other hand, was getting increasingly obsessed with these hauntings. Good for him. You know, like, live and have an interest. Live and research. Yeah. Now, one day while he was cleaning the basement,

he noticed a loose floorboard. So he pulled it completely loose. And he found a hiding place where somebody had hit in a diary. Oh jackpot. Jackpot. The dream. Literally the dream. I am dying to stumble across a loose floorboard. Loosen it all the way and find somebody's old ass diary. Ancient ass diary. Like do I think you should read an H&N at his diary probably not, but like, what I, yes, probably most likely, yeah. Yeah.

Alright, so according to Carl, the diary belonged to Johanna. Johanna. And I sing that because Bobby Mackey wrote a song about Johanna in this whole fucking thing. And that's the song. Johanna, Johanna. It's way better than that. Also, he actually has a really good voice. He does.

I don't know why I said actually, like I doubted him, but... Yeah, like you know what I'm not really a country fan, I'll just say it. I'm not at all. So, absolutely say that, but he has a wonderful voice. He does. He almost has like folk vibes, but country too. Yeah. Anyways, Carl found the diary of Johanna, a former show girl.

Oh, shut the fuck up. Like, immediately resonated. This is so good. I love it. And she had worked at the club way back when. And as he read through the diary, the pieces of her life started to come together. He read that Johanna had been in love

with one of the club's musicians. Shut up. Shut the fuck up. I love a love story. But apparently her father was super against her having any feelings for this. Totally disapproved.

Totally, totally. Totally did. Star cross lovers. Star cross lovers. And he was like, you can't have feelings for him. And you did, like, which like, you can't, like, how do you forbid that? He was like, don't feel things.

I've been doing that. I'm like, I can't help that dad. I can't fight the feeling. Bring it back to you. I feel so cruel. OK. Bring it to Frozen. He also was like, you definitely can't fight the feeling. Bring it back to a police patrol. Okay, bring it to Frozen. He also was like, you definitely can't pursue them.

Well, you can't have those feelings and too, you better not pursue them. Don't. Now, when he found out that they were carrying out a relationship secretly, you made it forbidden, man. You made it better. Yeah, and he forbidden them again.

He was like, I forbid you, Johanna. Johanna, from seeing this man ever again, and actually, I'll fucking kill him if you see them again. He was like, I forbid you, Johanna. Johanna, from seeing this man ever again. And actually, I'll fucking kill him if you see him again. I'd be like, dad. I feel like you're kind of homicidal. And it's really weird. That's a lot. So later, this musician disappeared without a trace.

Oh, shit. And Johanna, Johanna, immediately suspected her father. Well, yeah, he said you would kill him. I would expect him as well. Well, so she poisoned her dad and then she took her own life. Oh, okay. She vowed, I said, to roam the halls of the nightclub until forever, waiting for the musician to return.

I'm sorry, one, what a, what a climactic ending there. Right? She wanted to haunt the place, not that way. Not that she killed me. But also, give me that diary. Right. Give me that diary, because that is a better story than I could ever come up with. So, basically, I'm trying to go to Bobby Mackey's music world. Yeah. You want to go? Yeah. I don't have any other reason to go to Kentucky other than for Bobby Mackey's music world of magic. It's not just magic. She says.

But in a pretty short time, Carl realized Johanna was one of the friendlier ghosts. What? Yeah, maybe she was murderist, but only for people that she's murderable. She's a different type of shit happens. Because of your dad, he may have been a murderer. Maybe she was murderist but only for people that she was murderable. She's a dead person. But shit happens. Because of her death. He may have been a murderer. Maybe. You know, we don't know. We never allegedly. That's the best part of it is maybe. Perhaps. Maybe she really took a chance though. Yeah, I bet she knew. She rolled the dice. I'm not feeling too though. But he, Carl was like, not like that's my girl. And he even actually started to come to see her

as a friend and a protector. I love that. But at the same time, he was like, I don't know, like maybe she was the one responsible for the attacks on Janet. Oh, Johanna. Because he was like, maybe she was pregnant at the time of her death and she resented Janet's

pregnant presence and the club. I mean, big years. It doesn't sound like you had any evidence to that fact, but like, no, literally. Okay. But he was theorizing. Yeah. And he figured that was the motivation behind the attacks.

Now, I should say, in the year since Carl supposedly found Johannes, Diary, nobody was actually able to find any evidence that she ever existed. And there's also no evidence of the murder of her lover. That makes me upset. But not that she didn't murder someone. But that like maybe she didn't murder someone. Or that she like her dad didn't murder someone,

but like I wanted Johanna the show girl to exist. I think she might have. Like a Johanna that wrote a diary and then hit it on the floorboards. Yeah, so I believe in Carl is what I'll say. I'll believe in Carl. Yeah, I think Johanna existed. I mean, I think we're taking that like pregnancy thing

to a, yeah, that to a speculative place, but right, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if it's her push and jam at the downstairs. Let's not blame. Sounds like a man. Well, right. I don't think it was Johanna. Johanna.

But the thing is, Carl was gonna realize that in a time. Okay. Okay. All right. He did Carl's smart. So a lot of people, not including me, were skeptical about realize that in your time. Okay, all right. He did Carl's smart. So a lot of people, not including me, were skeptical. What did I just say? A skeptical. A lot of people were skeptical, you were skeptical.

No, I wasn't skeptical. I wouldn't even say I can't even say a skeptical. Skeptical. No, a lot of people, not myself included, were skeptical. Yeah, you got it. About whether or not Johanna. Every sister, you can't say her name without thinking it. I can't. It's Bobby Mackie. It's the magic of Bobby Mackie's music world. It overtook me. It's the Mackie. It's the magic. So, but okay, so they were skeptical about if she existed or not, but there actually is verifiable proof of the other two ghosts that Carl believed were haunting the club.

Awesome. So, the night after he discovered Johannes, diary, Carl, who was living in a space above the club at that point, like a little apartment, He woke up from a deep sleep and couldn't breathe. Oh. So he slowly started being able to breathe again. But as he got like all of his breath back, the power and the entire building went out, which meant that he had to go down to the basement

to reset the breakers. No, thank you. So he did, because he was like, I have some ghosts up in here that like me. Yeah. But as he was down there, he happened to notice yet another loose floor board in the basement.

Look at this man. I know. Now when he pulled at that one, it revealed a hatch covering that deep well that had been used by the former slaughterhouse to drain the blood in the fluids from the animals. Oh my goodness. And he said as he stared into the well, which like in general, I would never recommend. No, don't stare into a well.

He started to feel an evil presence surrounding him in the basement. And it was so freaky to him that he literally fled back upstairs into his apartment. I just had this really scary feeling of falling into that well. Yeah, I don't like that for you. That's why I don't recommend looking into the house for a while. I'm out of there. Take a quick peek and then say, whoa, I thought I'd go, no, I'm not going anywhere. Do it in here that way.

Nope, I don't recommend that. I don't want to be anywhere near it. Do what you have to do. Take a picture. Take a must. Don't even take a picture. That's not me. Someone else take a picture.

I'll look at the picture. It'll last longer. And that's not necessarily a good thing. I just don't want to fall in it. But, ooh, get out of there. I know. Get out of that well. I'm trying.

Get out of that well. I was listening to waves by Taiman Paula this morning in Miguel. I don't know what happened. I still know what happened. I don't know. So in the days I followed the discovery of the well, which I never recommend looking into, like I've said, no. Carl, and this is why I don't recommend looking into

well, is became a ronic and unpredictable. Yeah. And looking back, Bobby recalled, it got to the point where I wouldn't know which Carl I was talking to. I'd have to talk to him for a little while to figure out how to deal with him because he always seemed to be different. Poor Carl. I know he was going through it.

Because the thing was, when he discovered the well, Carl became convinced that the stories that he had heard about Pearl Brian's head were true. Which it could be. And it doesn't necessarily need to be like, say, tannic. Exactly. It could be they just threw it in the well because they knew what I would find it.

Exactly. Now, he was worried about the malevolent spirits in the club and he was worried that they were, wait, I fucked that up, sorry. He was worried that the malevolent spirits in the club. And he was worried that they were, wait, I fucked that up. Sorry. He was worried that the malevolent spirits in the club were actually Pearls killers. Yes. Got Jackson and Alonzo Walling.

I agree. Now he figured and understood that they were probably the ones who attacked Janet. Because remember, Pearl was also pregnant when they killed her because they didn't want her to be pregnant. Yes. And now, Carl is really worried that Alonzo and Scott would not stop until they had driven everyone out of the club

for good. I fully believe this. Me too. So his instinct was to get the fuck out of there and never come back again. Yeah. But at the same time, he was worried about leaving Bobby and Janet. Oh.

Because it kind of sounds like he really thought of them like family. Carl. He was fully convinced that the building and the land were evil, but he just cared too much about them to leave them behind. That's precious. And that's why I love Carl. And Carl we trust. Now, as we all know at this point, since buying the property and owning the club, Bobby had

completely dismissed any claims of this place being acted. But in the weeks following the discovery of the well and the basement, he just couldn't ignore the fact that something was causing Carl a whole lot of distress. Yeah. Or the fact that his wife had never been comfortable at the club and now refused to return. There's that. But at the same time, he was still mindful or like thought

that the rumors could affect the business, but he also wanted to call, wanted to relieve whatever was causing Carl so much stress. Yeah. So he reached out to his friend Doug Hensley, who was a paranormal researcher and who was actually living in the area at the time. It's a good friend.

I know. And Doug was like, you know what? I will do whatever I can to help you. Now, this is fucking wild. Oh man, I'm strapped in. So during his research, because you know, he likes research just like us. I love that. I'm Dave. Hensley came across like numerous stories of the tragedy and the death that occurred on the property where the club once stood. But the one that stood out to him the most was the murder of Pearl Bryan. Right, hell yeah. Obviously. So he dug deeper and deeper into the story, and he found out that while those two killers stood on the gallows waiting for the door to drop

out beneath them, one of them vowed that he would come back and haunt everyone involved in the trial and the place where Pearl's head had been left. Guys, her head is in that well. Right. Her head is in that well. I actually don't know if it was. No, it is. It is? 100%.

Oh, I was like, I had this to be true. I was like, I don't believe that. I believe it. It makes sense. I think they probably just like can't get back there. Yeah. It might just be too deep. Too deep. Who knows how far that goes I believe it. It makes sense. I think they probably just can't get back there. Yeah, it might just be too deep. Too deep.

Who knows how far that goes down. Exactly. So between the discovery of the well and the other haunted happenings at the club and the changes in Carl's behavior, Doug Hensley became convinced that Scott Jackson and Alonzo Walling were haunting the club and were determined to destroy Carl Lawson specifically. Damn.

I think he must have been like an empath. Wow. Like an empath. No, I think he just was one. This is wild. So Doug really wanted to resolve this issue for everyone involved. So he reached out to a local psychic medium,

Patricia Michelle. Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Holds for a plus. Absolutely. Like of course, like Patricia Michelle, what a great name. Now, she claims that she has the ability to communicate with the dead

and she has had that ability since she was a child. And as soon as she got to the club, she told everyone there, which I respect, that she didn't want to know anything about the property, didn't know anything about the history and didn't want to, and she wanted them to stay completely silent while she took a walk around and looked at things. Oh yeah.

So in one room, she actually did get the impression of the spirit of a woman who said her name was, Joana, Joana, I knew it. I knew she was coming back. She was real. Now according to Patricia, Joana knew that she was dead and said that she wanted to stay at the club to wait for her boyfriend to join her. Whoa, we're so boyfriend.

Me thinks Carl was right after all. Yeah, I don't know. What if he like actually never died and he just left him once and where else? Wow, that's a good suck real bad. But like, I think that I'd killed him. Yeah. Now after touring the upper floors of the club,

Carl, Bobby, and Doug went with Patricia down into the basement where she got an entirely different and way more aggressive feeling than she had in the room with Johanna. Yep. Now, Patricia told them that she could see the room quote, like it used to be. And she was referring to when it was originally configured as the basement of the slaughterhouse. So Carl pulled back the hatch on the floor to show her the dark shaft that used to be the well. And Patricia said that inside she saw

Pearl's head floating in the well. And she backed away from it. Like she like visualized it. Holy shit. Now later she talked about the experience. And she said, I felt like I was spinning. I couldn't wait to get out of there. I'm telling you, I am telling you, they put Pearl's head in that well, right? I know it. So back upstairs, Patricia filled everyone in on what she saw as she walked the building

and she told them, I think what is in Bobby Mackey's nightclub, are ghosts that believe there's no place for them to go, so they would prefer to live in this nightclub than to go onto a place where they may burn for eternity. Because they're assholes. Exactly, some of them. Some of them like the guys.

Exactly. And Johanna's probably afraid because you know like she did kill her dog. Yeah, there's that. But she also explained that she did believe Scott and Alonzo were specifically targeting Carl. Yeah. And she said they were using him as a conduit for their rage and causing him mental anguish in the process. Poor Carl. I know, right? So she said the only solution

would be to have a priest or a minister come out and bless the space and to have an exorcism for Carl. Oh, mm-hmm. So Bobby, after all of this y'all still didn't believe in ghosts. I mean, one thing about Bobby is that he's going to stand his ground. That's one thing about Bobby. You're not going to sway Bobby. Two things about Bobby. He's going to stand his ground and write a great fucking song called Joana, Joana. Those are two things about Bobby.

Two things about Bobby. Yeah. Three things about Bobby though. He's a good friend. He is. I feel things about Bobby. Two things about Bobby. Yeah. Three things about Bobby though. He's a good friend. He is. I feel that about Bobby. He is. So he agreed to find somebody who could help them

with an exorcism because he was worried about his friend. Oh yeah. So it took some time and you know, a few uncomfortable conversations with people. But eventually he came across this guy that he knew, Larry Kidwell, who thought that he might know someone who could help. Larry happened to work in television and radio advertising, and the reason he actually knew Bobby was because they had worked on a commercial for the nightclub together.

And they just like stayed in contact. That was interesting. They weren't really close by any means, but Larry knew Bobby well enough to know that he was not joking when he explained what had happened to Janet and what was actively happening to Carl. Yeah. But like Bobby, Larry was pretty skeptical and had a hard time believing in something he couldn't see or experience himself.

But at the same time, willing to give the benefit of the doubt and willing to reach out to his friend, Glen Cole, who was a local Pentecostal minister who might be willing to help. Oh good. So unlike Bobby and Larry, Glen Cole actually had no trouble believing

that the club was haunted. That's one thing about Glen. That's one thing about Glen for you. According to Larry, Reverend Cole explained, spirits and demons don't possess buildings, but they do exist in structures where people live or come and go, so they can possess those humans when they choose. That sucks.

Now given the history of the property and like the whole fucking myriad of tragedies that happened on the site, Reverend Cole was like, yeah, I think it's entirely possible that this place is haunted. And more importantly, he felt a very urgent need to meet with Carl to determine whether he was in spiritual danger or not. Yeah. So a few days later, he got to Bobby Mackeys and he wanted to talk to Carl and kind of with Carl to determine whether he was in spiritual danger or not. Yeah. So a few days later, he got to Bobby Mackeys

and he wanted to talk to Carl and kind of take a look around the place, just like Patricia Michelle. Now almost immediately, Reverend Cole felt uncomfy. And Doug Hensley remembered meeting this Reverend for the first time and he said, he told me this was the most evil sight that he'd ever stepped foot on in his entire life

and it was full of evil. Well, that's kind of redundant, but like, I thought you were gonna say that. Kind of evil. That is pretty evil though. Yeah. Evil. Well, when you think about it,

when you told me the Pearl Brian story, it's like, they killed her by decapitating her. She died getting her head sought off. Uh-huh. That is the most evil shit you can possibly imagine. Absolutely. So like that is pregnant. And she was pregnant. And this used to be a slaughterhouse. Yeah. Like animals used to be really bad. Shit happening.

Right. And multiple people have died on this property. Yeah. Like, yeah. There are a lot has gone down. So after he heard about Carl's experiences at the club, the reverend said, I've been doing this for years and I'm telling you, Carl Lawson is demonically possessed. Oh man. So days later on the evening of July 20th, 1982,

Bobby Mackey took the stage with his band, because he said, the show must go on. That Bobby Mackey's music world of magic, and he was gonna perform for a packed house of country music fans. That's another thing about Bobby. The show must go on, Bobby. Now, the band had been playing for a little bit

when Carl, who was working that night, caught a whiff of smoke from somewhere in the building. And minutes later, one of the patrons yelled something out about a fire in the band immediately stopped playing. Oh, no. So from the stage, Bobby was like, please just like exit in a calm and orderly fashion,

like we gotta get everybody out of here calmly. Yeah. And to his surprise, everybody actually exited the building calmly without the slightest hint of panic. That doesn't sound human to me. Me either. Now as the patrons filed out of the club,

Carl tracked the smoke to a small fire in the kitchen. Oh. In the Wilder Fire Department, we're just arriving as Carl and Bobby were able to put the fire out themselves with extinguishers. And just a short time later, they were given the all clear from the fire department to just go on with that night's performance.

What? What? Where did that fire come from? Well, Bobby was surprised, department to just go on with that night's performance. What? What? Where did that fire come from? Well, Bobby was surprised, but also happy that most of the patrons who had been hiding in the park waiting in the parking lot, they were eager to come back inside because they also believed that the show must go on. They were hiding out there, then they were like, surprise, we let the fire. We started the fire. Funny, didn't spell the fire. We started the fire.

That's funny. Little side note, follow up, boy. Made a new, we didn't start the fire because I thought it needed an update. What? Because a lot of shit has happened since the last one that you could say really fast like Billy Joel. Oh my god.

I saw it on the news this morning and I was like, all right, that's cool. Okay, I like that. I'm excited to hear that. My screen name used to be Fallout Girl 1996. Oh yeah. Word. Coral on the other hand. He couldn't help but wonder if the fire had a more sinister origin than just like a simple kitchen fire. I also couldn't help but wonder that. Me either. He wondered if the evil spirits that, you know, were haunting him were threatened by the reverence presence a few days earlier and now this fire was them trying to prevent him from coming back to the club Yeah

Carl knows what's up Carl does but a few days later Reverend cold did come back to the club to perform the exorcism that would maybe Rid Carl and the night club of the spirits that haunted them. Now, Carl was surprised to find that the Reverend was accompanied by a reporter in Three-Cameraman. Were you surprised? Not cool. But Reverend Cole said, you know, they were just there

to document things, quote, just in case anything happens. Yeah. If I was Carl, I'd be like, am I gonna die? I don't know about this. So he was worried about the reporter's being there and he told the Reverend that he was also worried about getting hurt. But the Reverend was like, no, listen, I've done this a ton of times.

Nothing to worry about. He said, I've been in the ministry for 18 years and I've come close to seeing it all. Come close. Close, but you haven't seen it all. Not quite. There's some stuff I haven't seen. It's still uncomfortable with this. And like that could happen here.

A little bit. I don't like seeing. You might actually see it all the year tonight. So for that reason, Carl is apprehensive, but he was also hopeful and he was like ready to do this. So he led Reverend Cole and the reporters to the old kitchen, and that's where the exorcism was going to be performed.

OK. Now, the room at that point was mostly being used for storage, especially since the renovation. So the men had to push all the clutter out of the way before they could set up. Now, once they figured they had adequate space, they set up a table, and Carl was to sit just across from Cole the Reverend, and he started reciting a prayer and asking for the Lord's help and cleansing the space of its spirits. Now, within a matter of minutes, Reverend Cole said he started to notice a change in Carl's body language.

I guess his palms were pressed really hard into the table and his head started nodding up and down and he quote, begin mumbling something under his breath and a low and different tone of voice. Oh, I don't like that. I don't like it either. It gives me Esteban from the sweet life of Zach and Cody

and that episode fucked me up when I was little. I have no idea what you're talking about, but I imagine it is uncomfortable. If you're a zillennial, you know. Now while Reverend Cole went on with his prayer, Carl was having a hard time talking, but continued his raspy breathing. And I guess that started like right after Cole began reading from the Bible. He started like doing a weird raspy breathing. And I guess that started right after Cole began reading from the Bible. He started doing a weird raspy breathing. Now, he coal kept going on commanding the spirits trying to guide them out, you know,

Lottie, Dau Dieu. And as he was talking, you're not going to perform an exercise or something. No, it was a fuck I'm not. I'm not. You know, their spirits here are the cool. But Carl's eyes seemed, he's the reverend said to be completely fixated on him, the reverend. And finally Carl spoke in a strange voice and told the Reverend, quote,

they'll get me while I'm alone in here. Ooh. Which like, I have goosebumps right now. Ooh. Now for some, like, that's the thing, this like really fucking creeped me out. But the Reverend believed that the voice was intended to trick him and like pray on his sympathy.

Like it was coming from a spirit and not Carl. Ooh, right. So the exchange between the Reverend and the spirits that seemed to be inhabiting Carl's body went on for what seemed like hours with the Reverend praying over Carl, who seemed resistant to what this guy was saying. But finally, Carl's body seemed to start jerking

and spasming as Reverend Cole continued to command these spirits to leave his body. And then, finally, Carl fell limp. In moments later, he looked up at the Reverend and said, I feel different. Something in me has changed. Oh, I hope better. Right?

So he smiled and he seemed pleased that the exorcism appeared to have worked. Now outside the kitchen, Larry Kidwell watched as the four newsmen walked out of the room and they all had kind of like disappointed looks on their faces, I think, because they're open someone would die. Exactly. And you know, he understood why he also expected a big spectacle from the exorcism, like something you'd see in the movies, but instead the whole thing kind of seemed to end with like a whisper in a bang. I love it. They're like, oh man, it worked. God damn it. Shit. That guy is fine.

But sensing Larry's disappointment, Reverend Cole made sure that everyone was out of ear shot and then told Larry it isn't over. Carl or a spirit was lying to me. The spirits aren't gone. Carl was either protecting them because he's terribly afraid or he doesn't want them to leave. Oh, this was not to me. The spirits aren't gone. Carl was either protecting them because he's terribly afraid or he doesn't want them to leave. This was not the end. And apparently in some, like reiterations of the story,

that's where it ends, like with Carl in that moment being cured, but then me and Dave found other versions of the story where all of this happened. So a few weeks later, Reverend Cole returned to Bobby Mackeys yet again, and he wanted to finish what he had started a week earlier. Now, the second exorcism was said to be a hell

of a lot more difficult and taxing than the first one. According to Doug Hensley, it took weeks with the Reverend praying over Carl while he just like riled around an agony. Oh no. And in one instance, after one of the prayer sessions, Carl was alone in his room. This is really gross and like really scary.

And he noticed his underwear had been soaked in what seemed like blood. Oh. So he went to the bathroom to check himself out. And he realized he was bleeding from hemorrhoids that seemingly had developed instantaneously. What the fuck? Like he didn't have them before he was getting exercised and now all the sudden he had them and they were bleeding insanely. Maybe that's like the demons going on.

Perhaps Doug Hensley said it was not just ordinary hemorrhoids. These were tremendous in size. said it was not just ordinary hemorrhoids. These were tremendous in size, growing and spreading like poison ivy. Big boy hemorrhoids. You're from the dentist. They were big, y'all. It was a tremendous hemorrhoids for me. A tree from men just hemorrhoids. Growing in size.

Like what a shitty way to get possessed. Nobody did this. Like honestly, no pun intended. That sucks, right? So Carl was obviously in a full public and started crying out to the spirits. And he was like, listen, I promise, I will keep the Revan from returning if you just stop hurting me.

Oh my god, I feel so bad for Carl. I do, too. We were not laughing at Carl. We were not laughing at Carl. I was laughing at the description of that. Like tremendous, this wilds. Attractive to you. I don't know why.

Doug Hensley Wildman. This wilds. Now, after a week of no haunting or demonic activity after this, because everything got put to a standstill. Yeah. Carl was starting to think that his promise was successful in keeping these spirits at bay. But then Reverend Cole and Larry Kidwell showed up unexpectedly. And apparently threatened to destroy the little amount of peace that Karl had managed to find

for himself. Oh no. Now I guess he like Karl was like for a minute, I was like not going to let them into my apartment. And he figured he could run or hide from them until they went away. But at the same time, he knew that's what the demons wanted. And as long as he did what they wanted, he was never going to be free from this. So he let them inside and he walked with them to the kitchen. Larry set up the camera as a left the room. Now, as soon as Reverend Cole started back up his prayers, Carl was really, really upset. And Cole was like, listen, this is gonna be the final time.

Like, I know it. Like, we're so close, just stick with me here. But Carl said, but what about Johanna and Buck, referring to the former showgirl and the owner of the primrose? And he told the Reverend, they don't bother anybody. Oh my God, Carl. And that's when Reverend Cole realized that this was what he kind of figured all along.

There was some part of Carl that didn't want the haunting to end. Because he really cared about those two spirits. And he became attached to them over the past three years. So they got like an argument about it. And Carl insisted that Johanna and Mr.. And Buck wanted to stay with him. And Reverend Cole was like, listen, they're not going to find any peace and neither are you unless we let them move on

to the next, whatever. So before they were able to reach an understanding, Carl's voice changed dramatically. First, to this weird snarl of a man calling himself Sam Tucker. And then to the rasp of another entity who Reverend Cole knew to be Charlie. And that was another one of the spirits inhabiting Carl's body.

Now, they cycled through one entity after the other and insisted they didn't want to leave and demanded that Reverend Cole cease his attempts to exercise them from Carl's body. So it went on that way for hours with all of these entities like confronting Reverend Cole and then he was just in turn praying over Carl demanding that they leave. And finally, after hours of this and shouting, Carl's body began to jerk and spasm again in response to the Reverend's word, words, this time, he forced his hands on the table,

pushed the chair way back from the minister, trying to escape the exorcism, actually. But at that point, Reverend Cole grabbed Carl, held him tightly, finished his prayers one by one, and all of the spirits left Carl's battered body at this point until all of them were gone. Damn. Yeah.

I just said, yeah. Now later, after the Reverend had left Carl actually finally felt like he was truly alone in the club for the first time in three years or even more because he had worked there even before. Now, the thought of never feeling Johanna's presence, though, again, disappointed him. But he remembered what Reverend Cole had told him. Reverend Cole told him, when a spirit or spirits are cast out, they search the world over, looking for a new home. But if they can't find one, they return to their old house. And if that house isn't clean and filled with another spirit, they'll return with seven more. Oh. And that person is much worse off than before.

It's very important that you start going to church. You have to fill yourself with Lord Jesus. And more importantly, you can never entertain these spirits again. If you ever feel their presence, you have to pray for the Lord to wash it and cleanse you, you have to resist them. I was with you for part of that. You could just have a lot of thoughts on that. You got to the seven spirits.

I was like, oh, shit. I thought, you know, I'd that sounded nice before. Yeah. Because it was like, oh, it'll come back. Right. And be like, hey, I'm home. But then it was like it has seven assholes with them. Yeah, you don't want that.

No, I don't want that. And then I also don't want anybody to demand that I go to church. Yeah, or that I'm going to be haunted for the rest of the day. Like, it's why you can go to church. Yeah. Because I'll tell me I have to. Don't demand it of me. Get out of here, Reverend Coliffe done enough.

Yeah. So throughout the late 70s and 80s, Bobby Mackey went out of his way to, as we know, keep those rumors of demons and ghosts from spreading and negatively affecting the business. But by the 90s, word had spread because you know, there was a whole last exorcism in his restaurant. Yeah, that'll get around. Or nightclub, excuse me. Word had spread and there was really no way around the fact that now people were actually

more interested in the ghosts than they were in the country and the Western music. Yeah, you know, it's fun. And in the fall of 1993, Bobby Mackey's music world of magic was actually sued by a patron who claimed that he was attacked by a ghost while in the club. I'm a little obsessed with that. Oh, real lawsuit. Oh, you just wait, babe. Oh, man. You just wait, babe. You just wait, babe. Hang on tight. According to the suit, J.R. Costigan went to Bobby Mackeys and quote,

walked around the club during a myth daring, a mythical ghost that has become legend at the club to show itself. He then claimed that he went into the men's bathroom and quote, a dark haired man appeared to him with a rope dangling around his neck and attacked him, punching him and kicking him, then dissolved into the air. This is a real lawsuit. I love it here. So in his suit, he was seeking a thousand dollars in damages for pain and suffering

and demanded that a sign be posted in the club warning of spectral danger. Honestly, that sounds awesome. A warning sign that says like warning spectral danger. Well, I'm glad you like that, because it comes back. Awesome, but before that, Bobby's lawyer, W. Robert Lott's, filed one of the most unusual motions to dismiss, written in poetic verse.

Yeah, as follows. Give me some bongos. The plaintiff claims in his petition he was assaulted by an apparition injured by a ghostly nemesis on Bobby Mackey's premises. I'm so obsessed with this. Where Beard and Brazen he did blunder by taunting their supernatural wonder, proclaiming loudly his resistance to belief in spiritual existence. Alas, this essence disembodied, followed the plaintiff to de mens potty. Shut the fuck up. Where the dark haired haunt with neck and noose soundly clicked, sorry, soundly kicked Complaintance drunk caboose.

That's really you guys. That's for realsies. Followed the plaintiff to Demen's potty. Soundly kicked Complaintance drunk caboose. Caboose. I'm pretty obsessed with that. Demen's potty. This is my favorite part. This, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, Louis, St. Louis, suit. I was hired to treat it as legitimate.

I'm convinced that my clients were not involved in this. They're not the ghosts, so that's fine. So they're not. Now, ultimately, I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that this case was thrown out of court. The guy just like, the guy who filed the lawsuit failed to show up for the hearing. I think shocked, you know, maybe he had other things going

on that day, or was maybe embarrassed that he filed a suit against a fucking invisible force. He hydrated and was like, I don't think I should fall through on that. He had a liquid IV in thought that was his fucking claims. But actually, Bobby did agree to put a sign up behind the bar that reads, and it's still there, warning to our patrons, this establishment

is purported to be haunted. Management is not responsible and cannot be held liable for any actions of any ghosts or spirits on this premise. That's amazing. I love that he was like, you know what, fuck it. I will. I'll put up a sign. Yes, so by the late 90s, he seemed actually like a lot more accepting of the paranormal activity surrounding the nightclub. And in the year since the suit, Bobby Mackey's music world has been featured on a ton of television shows like Hard Copy, Haraldo, the Jerry Springer show.

I don't really know how to fit into there. A haunting and a current affair. And like other pods have covered the case. Actually, it was one of the first episodes I listened to, and that's why we drink when I'm covered in. Oh my God. I love that. And I was like, oh, when I was doing it, I was like, why have I heard the story before?

And then I was like, oh, shit. So listen to their episode too, because it's fantastic. And tons of articles have been written about it. But today, the club still operates out of its original location on LinkingPink. But customers, they can only expect to get a beer and hear some music on Fridays and Saturdays. They can still catch Bobby Mackie and his best damn band, that's what they're called. Holy shit. Play their regular set, but only on the weekend.

I'm gonna go. The rest of the week is reserved for haunted tours. Hell yeah. Paranormal investigations. Yes. And even sleepovers, haunted ones, whosin'. I'm obsessed with the fact that Bobby Mackie just leaned the fuck in.

He spent like 20 years essentially being like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then I was like, yeah, fuck it. Another thing about Bobby Mackey, he's got a Lehman eventually. Eventually. Eventually. Eventually. Now, sadly Carl no longer works at the club, but he does continue to share his experiences of the hauntings.

Janet continued managing the club. Actually, she did step foot in there again until the early 2000s, but unfortunately, she did pass away in February of 2009 after long illness. I know. Oh, Janet. And she died in the home of their daughter. I know.

Their daughter that was born at six months. Yes, it's not nuts, full circle. Now, Bobby maintains that he has still never had a paranormal experience in the bar or anywhere else. And he's another thing about Bobby. He's sticks to his word. He's never gonna have an experience. No, and he's never gonna believe in ghosts.

He still doesn't. When it comes to the club, he says, I don't know if the place got a hold of me, but if that's a supernatural experience, then so be it. I'm going to stay here. Bobby fucking Mackie. A legend. A true legend. I don't really know much else about him other than his magic world. I literally have never even, I don't know a damn thing about him except for this. And Johanna now. Johanna, Johanna. It'll stick in your head, go listen to it, right?

I am obsessed with this story. A story with more twists and turns than anything than I could have ever expected. And weirdly fun. There's so much fun hauntings. The true tragedy is the Pearl Bryan story, which like, that's not good. I did not see that coming.

No, right? Like, that is a wild story. Wild story. And Johanna. And Johanna, if she exists, she does. I dare you question her existence. But yeah, the Pearl Bryan one really shocked me. I mean, that's brutal.

And the fact that they, the killers, scoped in Alonzo there, literally were like, yeah, we're gonna haunt this place forever. Like the gal with, oh, spooky. But then I'm also like, has anyone open that well? Carl! Carl! Carl!

It's a kid. I'm just kidding. Carl! Carl! I was just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I love us. I love us. So funny.

Why has anyone opened that well? And like, no, but like, it's like, I wonder. I know. You know, like, I've, I've looked up pictures of it. It looks like it's sealed off. And I'm like, someone opened that well. Someone opened that open that shit something down there to go like a long camera on a on a string And go tell me what's down there, right? I want to know because I want her I want her to also like maybe you could like reunite her I know with her body

I know I give her like a proper burial. Yeah, I want to know. I want to know. Hopefully I can update it someday. Let's update it. We're gonna find a sealant. And I'm like, are there descendants of Pearl that would be like, they deserve to have that done? I know.

I need to find this out. Let's find out. Let's figure it out. Wow, that was a wild tale. A wild tale. And Dave is a big fan of this story, so he did like, oh, fucking incredible job on the research with my Dave.

And I love him. I love Dave too. I love him. I love him. And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it. We're keeping us weird as Bobby Mackey. I fucking love this guy.

He seems great. Yeah. I hope know I know right Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.