Morbid - Episode 481: The Murder of Jennifer Corbin- Part 1

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

When Gwinnett County sheriff’s officers responded to a call about a shooting at the home of Dr. Barton Corbin on the morning of December 4, 2004, they discovered the body of the doctor’s wife, Jennifer Corbin, dead from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Within a few days, however, investigators learned some things about Bart Corbin that led them to believe that the thirty-three-year-old mother of two may not have taken her own life. Thank you so much to David White for research assistance :)References:Atlanta Journal Constitution. 2006. "Timeline of events in Barton Corbin's case." The Atlanta Journal Constitution, September 17.Bentley, Rosalind. 2004. "Corbin arrest is 'hard'." The Atlanta Journal-Constituion , December 23.Bentley, Rosalind, and Lateef Mungin. 2006. "Barton Corbin case: How they nailed him." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, September 17.Bentley, Rosalind, Lateef Mungin, and Beth Warren. 2006. "Guilty guilty: Corbin pleads." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, September 16.Bruner, Tasgola Karla. 2004. "The Corbin case: Med-school girlfriend was fearful." Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 16.—. 2004. "Parallels revive case of Augusta tragedy." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 13.—. 2004. "Similarities in 'suicides' are haunting ." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 16.Bruner, Tasgola Karla, and John Ghirardini. 2004. "Dentist main 'focus'." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 13.Glatt, John. 2007. The Doctor's Wife: A True Story of Marriage, Deception and Two Grusom Deaths. New York, NY: St. Martin's Press.Hansen, Jane. 2006. "Dolly's truth: To her family, her death in 1990 was never a mystery." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, October 15.Mungin, Lateef. 2004. "Dacula man sought after wife's shooting." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 8.—. 2004. "Death called homicide, not suicide." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 8.—. 2004. "Dentist's kin to testify before grand jury today." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, December 15.Rankin, Bill, and Bill Topry. 2005. "Corbin faces double danger." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, January 9.Stafford, Rob. 2006. Death and the Dentist. October 18. Accessed June 25, 2023. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15253153See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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but like, when you use it properly, festering. Like, it feels like a swear word. It has a nice like, oh, to it, because you're like, you're a festering, fuckhead. Uncle, fester. Like, festering feels real filthy. And filthy, filthy as well.

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his name or his initials into the Coliseum just got arrested today. Good. Man, don't carve your fucking name in the Coliseum. Yeah, that's so rude. That's the rudest. So rude. Yeah. Really ignorant. So that was taking care of. We learned yesterday, this is not a fun fact, but I think we all should be aware, because I think it's gonna like, it's gonna like change how we live our daily lives. All the sun thing. Alina?

Yesterday, we're just on the phone with my grandma, by the way, as this happened. We're just like shooting the shit with calf. And Alina holds up a TikTok to me, like without the sound and it said, the sun could explode, and we wouldn't know for eight minutes. Yeah.

So the sun may have just exploded, knock on wood that it didn't, God forbid and all that jazz. But we are always eight minutes away from the sun just ending it all. So think about, so don't that sometimes. Don't, and live your life. Cause you're so fucking,

live your life accordingly. I didn't even have anything to say after don't. I was like, just don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don live your life. So fuck it. Your life accordingly. I didn't even have anything to say after don't. I was like, just don't. Don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't do it. Just don't because the sun could explode. If somebody invites you for plans and you're not sure about them, you don't have to do it.

Fuck you, I gotta stay home tonight. The sun could explode. Yeah. Because what if the sun explodes and I'm at these plans that I didn't even want to do? Like, oh. Waste. Oh.

It's the sun explodes and I'm, I love you guys, but if the sun explodes and I'm at work, and I don't know for eight minutes, I'll be so bummed. Yeah. And like, wherever I go next. Yeah. It's true.

I think the only place that I would wanna be is with Drew, Drew, with Drew, Drew. Yeah, and like, and like, you guys and the girls. Absolutely. It's essential thinking. It's a, it's a concept. That's for sure. But hopefully it makes you just think twice about like, being on a day, you know, being

an asshole or doing things that don't bring you joy. Yeah. And if being an asshole brings you joy, then like, go talk to someone, because that's a problem. That's a problem. That's a bigger problem. Or maybe you're just a copper cord. I'm sorry. I'm too. I really see maybe you're just a capricorn. Yeah.

I'm sorry. I do. I really saw the opportunity there, and I couldn't let it go. Let it go. I let it go. I loved you with softball. You really had it. I love you so much.

But here we are. We're here. Hopefully we have more than eight minutes. Hope so. Wow. That starts us off. We're going to wait a way to begin. Yeah.

So I did want to, before we get into today, to into today's case, I just wanted to give a trigger warning. There is one, I mean, the whole big theme in this case is domestic violence, but there's one spot in this, and I'll give you a trigger warning before I get into it when we do start telling the story. But at the top of the show, there is a section

where kids are involved. Oh, no. Just quickly. And I brush over it pretty quickly, because that's not something we like to get too far into. Yeah. But just know that that's a quick part of it. OK.

No children die. OK. That's good. Yeah. But we're going to get into it, OK? All right. And so yeah, trigger warning for domestic violence and like family violence Okay, so we're gonna start on a happier note and we're gonna be talking about

Jennifer Corbin Jennifer Monique Barber before she was Jennifer Corbin her maiden name was Barber She was born on January 25th 1971 in Kentucky to Max and Narda Barber She was the second of their three children. And not too long after she was born, the family all up and moved to Lawrenceville, Georgia. It's like a suburb about 30 miles outside of Atlanta. Okay. I'm gonna ask about her family.

Jennifer's sister Heather said, our family was just so incredibly close. Oh, like a really tight-knit family. So when she was younger, Jennifer, they always said was like the most grounded of the three barber girls. Her sister Heather said, she was just one of those people that made you feel good.

She always told you, she always told you what you needed to hear, but somehow in a gentle way. Oh, I love that. I love that a lot. Everybody needs someone like that. Because she's like honest, but gentle. Yeah, she's never gonna lie to you,

but she's not gonna be like mean about it. Exactly. And friends and family remembered Jennifer as being this like really adventurous, friendly kid. She loved to be outside, and she was super fearless when it came to risk taking. She was not afraid of anything. Now by the time she reached high school,

she had made like a ton of friends. She had a really big social circle. She was really popular. Her friend Matthew Jenkins remembered her from school and said she was one of a kind, a very caring person that always had a kind word and a shoulder to lean on. She just sounded like the kind of person

that you would want in your circle of friends. Now outside of school, she had a job at a place called Calico Jax, which was a local restaurant. She worked there for years and everyone there, customers and co-workers are like, they all loved her. So after she graduated from Central Gwyneth High School, Jennifer decided that she wanted to move to Savannah and her goal was going to be studying photography at Savannah's College of Art. Okay. Now at first it was like really fun and she could see herself making a career

of photography, but after two years her love of it kind of dwindled a bit. Yeah. And it wasn't necessarily something that she saw as the right path anymore. Okay. So she was like, you know what? I'm gonna move back home and kind of figure things out. So she headed back to Lawrenceville.

At that point, she wasn't really sure what she wanted to do. So in the meantime, she got a job as a server at Barnacles and Oyster Club, or an Oyster Bar in Dul meantime, she got a job as a server at Barnacles and Oyster Club or an Oyster bar in Duluth, Georgia. An Oyster Club. I know Oyster Club. A club for oysters. Oh, I used to love oysters so much, but then I found out that...

That vibrio. And vibrio thing. Yeah. But this will come as no surprise to you at this point. In no time, everybody at Barnacles loved Jennifer. Look at her. She just seemed to be that kind of person. Like, I can think of so many people

that I've worked with over the years. You can always pick out that one person from a job that you're like, oh, she was awesome. I mean, like, he was great. It's so true. Now, so the couple that owned the restaurant actually, Bob and Suzanne Corbin, they liked her so much that they were discussing between the two of them,

what a great match she would be for their son Bart. And Bob, specifically the father of Bart, was really insistent about introducing the two of them. And he was like, let me tell you a little bit about Bart. He's a little older than you. There was a seven year age difference. And he's a dentist. So he's got this great job.

He's this handsome guy. He's my son, so I love him. I think you'll love him. Good teeth. Good teeth, You know, you'll have good teeth. Yeah, everybody will have good teeth. You have free braces. There you go. Let's go. So they introduced the two of them, the parents introduced Jennifer and Bart. And apparently when they met, they did hit it off because before long, they were officially an item. They were dating. Now, in the summer of 1996, just a few months into their relationship, they decided to have a little romantic getaway, and Bart took Jennifer on a trip to Italy. Damn. Which like, that's a romantic getaway.

To Italy so that I know it's real. For real. Now, it must have been wildly romantic, because a couple weeks after they got home, Jennifer found out that she was pregnant. Oh! Now, even though they weren't necessarily prepared to be parents at that point in time, the surprise of the pregnancy wasn't unwelcome. It was like a happy surprise.

It was a happy surprise. And Bart's parents weren't old-fashioned in the way that they were gonna put pressure on him to marry Jennifer now that she was pregnant, but they made it clear to him that he needed to support her and the baby. Yeah. Like, they weren't gonna let him just walk away for this. Good for them.

And actually, on his own, Bart decided that marrying Jennifer, and you know, kind of uniting as a family, would be the right thing to do, and that's what he wanted to do. Okay. So, he proposed to Jennifer. Now, his sister-in-law, so like literally not even his sister, Edwina, she didn't necessarily agree with the decision to make the proposal, which like not your fucking business. I was just going to say, and why is it your business? Yeah. And she told the author of the doctor's wife, great reference on this case, the author's John Glatt. And Edwina told him, Bart wouldn't have married her if she hadn't been pregnant.

She was probably just a bit younger or immature to consider wife material. Like, okay, Edwina. Number one, you know what? If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, so I'm gonna sit my lip on that one. Especially after somebody has been murdered. Yeah.

You say that shit about them and also? Like, that's cute. The term wife material like ruses me out. Honestly, I hate that shit. I'm not a material. I'm a fucking human, thank you. And it makes it like a weird job. Yeah, like I have to like aspire to be a wife material.

And it's like, no, like we're partners. Yeah, like if you put a ray on it, I'm wife. Yeah, I'm wife. I am wife. I am wife here, me where I, I mean, pretty much. So probably not knowing that her sister-in-law was a huge jerk. Jennifer did accept the proposal.

There you go. And they got married on September 1, 1996. Jennifer's dad, Max, said that Bart, quote, came into the family very quickly. And that kind of was because everybody liked him from the second they met him. Like, he was a very charming person. They said he was funny, he was smart,

he was really personable, like easy to have a conversation with a Jennifer's father, Max said, Bart's a very funny person. He's got a very quick wit and people are drawn to that. Huh. So so far in their marriage, so good, right? Yeah. Now in March of 1997, Jennifer and Bart had their son,

their first son together named Dalton. And from the outside, it seemed like they were thriving. They were putting on the picture of like happy newlyweds, they've got this new healthy baby, Bart's business is doing really well, and they were always off doing something together. They liked to volunteer, they rode their mountain bikes together, they traveled, it was all ideal.

And Jennifer was a really, really good mom. Everybody said that. Her sister said she was born to be a mom. And when she became a mom, she did it 110. She became Miss PTA, the SUV driving, baseball toading super mom. Oh, I love that. Goals.

And I love that her sister was like, she was a fucking fantastic mom. Oh, that's, that means she was an amazing sister. Exactly. But unfortunately, the view that the outside world was getting of Jennifer and Bart and their marriage was mostly a facade, and in reality there were some serious red flags being waved in the air.

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rocketmoney.com slash morbid. That's rocketmoney.com slash morbid. rocketmoney.com slash morbid. For one thing, Bart had a very, very explosive temper. That could be triggered in an instant. Jennifer's father told NBC he had a temper that could snap in a second, and it seemed to be getting worse. Oh, and then you mix that with kids? That's... That's not... That's the thing, because kids are gonna press your buttons.

Of course they are. So there's gotta be situations where you're fucking exhausted. You need to have a fucking handle on your fucking emotions. Like a grown-ass adult. And interesting that you say that, like when you bring kids into it, changes things. Yep, not long after Dalton was born, their friends and family started to notice

that Bart had a tendency to lose it and start yelling at Jennifer over really trivial things. Like if he felt that she had done something wrong, he wouldn't let it go. And he'd keep poking, keep poking, keep poking. And like in front of people, like embarrass her. Yeah. And if somebody's doing that in front of people, yeah. Yeah. Not okay. And the early years of the marriage, Jennifer never complained about it to any of her friends. She just kind of like, you know, took the treatment and tried to focus on the good, it seems.

So they all just kind of thought that he was a dick, but there was not a lot that they could do. They were just trying to support their friend and their family member. Now just one year after Dalton was born, Jennifer became pregnant again. And in January of 1999, she gave birth to their second baby, Dylan.

Dalton and Dylan, they were so cute. And at that point, they had really outgrown their house. So they started looking for a new one and they ended up finding it in Buford, Atlanta. It's like a Ritsey suburb. Okay. They moved into that new house just days after Jennifer had given birth.

Wow. I feel like that tells you a little bit of what you need to know. Like, I don't know why she didn't, wasn't allowed time to rest. Yeah. Now, for the most part in the years that followed Dylan's birth, their second kid, Jennifer and Bart, they tried to keep up

with that role of the happy family. They spent weekends and summers on their boat at Lake Lanier. Oh, gasp. Eek, I know, right? And they were known to host big parties for friends and family at their, like, their main home in Buford. And it was all really nice for a while, but eventually the excitement of the new home,

the new baby faded, and the cracks and really what we should refer to as Bart's facade started to show again. Now Dalton was five at this point, and he was going to a private school. And at this point, Bart started really pushing both of his sons to be more physically active. Dalton is the oldest and he's five.

I was just gonna say. Yeah. The two of them at four and five played basketball, took swimming lessons, martial arts lessons, and Dalton added playing baseball first outside of school and then on the school's little league team into the mix of all of that. And it's like this is why like you always want your kids to try stuff. Yeah. And you want to keep them active. And you want to keep them active.

But like if you're forcing that kind of thing on a five, like five years old, this young to be doing like so many things, right? You're supposed to be trying like one or two things at a time, you know? Yeah, you just kind of like start trying things. That's the point of it. It's like figuring out what your areas of passion are. But you don't throw them into everything. You know? And the kids enjoyed their sports, but Bart always took it to the next level.

Well, I was going to say, and if they do enjoy all these, it's like, then you can't treat it like this hard thing. Yeah, you know, like that's a fun. It's supposed to be fun. Exactly, that's the thing. And when they're that young, they're like, at an age where they're learning how to be a teammate and how to, like, the rules of each game.

Exactly, like a basic stuff. Yeah, but again, Bar always took it to a place it didn't need to go to. And because they were involved in so many sports, I think he kind of saw this as an opportunity to be more involved in those sports. And in 2002, he decided that he was going to coach Dalton's little league team.

Okay. Now at that point, Dalton was six or seven. And of course, was on a team with fellow six and seven year olds. Of course. But Bart had ridiculously high standards and would lose it on Dalton and the other kids. Anytime one of them failed to live up to those expectations. I can't imagine being that kind of adult. No, me either.

And this is kind of where we're going to get into like a little bit of the yucky stuff, so just so you know, it's so mean and it makes me like really sad. But in front of like their teammates, he would call them loser, crybaby, whiner. Anytime they like, struck out or fumbled to play, you know. Can you imagine being a grown-ass man? And calling a little.

And looking at a little seven-year-old and being like, you're a loser, you're a cry baby, like, and not only like, see a child. Like, I can't imagine that in general, but your baby. Yeah, see, help. Like, I get upset when I have to say no to the girls. Yeah, it's like, I couldn't imagine sitting there

being like, you're a loser because you didn't do well in the sport. No, I'm a fuck off. And a whiner, like that's gross in my opinion. It's my opinion. My opinion. A former friend and neighbor said he didn't have any patients for the kids at all.

He just gave them hell and it didn't matter who was around me. Then he should never be a coach and to be honest. Like, he had no business being a parent. No, I agree. If you don't have, if you can't learn to have patients or have any control over your emotions as an adult, you have no business being around kids.

No. And the thing that got me about like that neighbor saying he gave them hell and it didn't matter who was around. If you're comfortable doing what you're doing in front of people, what are you doing behind yours? Exactly. So if you can imagine if that's what was going on in front of people, that's awful. It was worse by people.

That's awful. And again, getting into a yucky year part here, I don't want to get super far into it. And if you want to learn like more about this specific instance or the case overall, I do recommend the book that I mentioned earlier, The Doctors' Wife by John Glatt, but Bart was worse at home. Jennifer's sisters witnessed him not only name calling Jennifer, but the kids as well,

and it was a well-known fact that his kids were afraid of him. That's awful. One of them, the older one I think I believe it was, told his grandfather, Jennifer's father, that after a game where he struck out, his father lost it on him in public and then hit him after the game What a piece of shit for strut like striking out in a little league here a piece of shit

There's never in my opinion at least an excuse to hit your child. Yeah, that's how I feel but but over a fucking baseball game You got your kid, like, astonishing behavior. Like truly astonishing behavior. I can't imagine being that pathetic of an adult. And I don't ever want my kids to be afraid of me. Some people think like, oh, you know, like, like I think we mentioned it in one of the episodes and we're like being fearful and respectful, hand in hand, and it's completely disagreeable.

I don't think that's it at all. Like that's just, that's just not how I do it. That's not how I would want to. That's not how I do it. You're welcome to parent. However you feel is you know fine for you. Right. I don't get the fear-based parenting. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No. I just I don't want that kind of environment in my house. No, I think you know respect breeds respect. And if I respect them as human beings, they respect me as human beings, and we maintain that together. Like I grew up hearing like, I don't respect you, you respect me. And that's fucked up. And because of that, I had no respect for the person saying it was like,

okay, you don't respect me, go fuck yourself. I have zero respect for people who do not respect me. Same here. Zero. And I can get away. So why would a little kid have to have respect for someone who openly is treating you with no respect? And also telling you you have no respect. And if I'm afraid of you, I don't respect you. No, I'm scared of you. Exactly. Two different feelings.

That's the thing. I don't understand that. It's really sad to me that he went to his grandpa and was like, I'm afraid of dad and this is what happened. That's awful. Well, that's my whole thing with kids and having kids. And again, this is just my thing.

You can do whatever you want. My dad! We need to help. That's a housewife thing, by the way, just in case you wonder where that's going. It is a tamer judge. But in case you wonder why we scream it all the time. But like, that's, again, just my thought process.

It's like, your kids should feel safe with you. I shouldn't feel fearful of you. No. That you should be the thing that they go to to feel completely and utterly safe. Yes. That's at least how I see it in my household. I don't really understand.

I never want them to not think this is a safe place and that I am not a safe person because I might lose my shit on them. Yeah, well, and they're not gonna come to you with things that you would want them to come to you with if they don't see you as a safe person. Yeah, and it's like everybody loses their temper, loses their cool ones in a while

and kids will absolutely be the thing to push you though. But the whole point is, when you lose control of your emotions a little bit, you should apologize, in my opinion, because then that only teaches them, that when they lose their cool, the right thing to do is to apologize. Yeah, and it teaches them that you're a human being, and that you can admit when you are wrong. And that like that, I don't hold myself to a different standard than I hold you to. If you lose your shit, you need to apologize for it

and we need to talk through it and vice versa. I'm not holding myself to some, holier than now, standard just because I'm your mom. Like we're on the same playing field here. If I fuck up, I apologize. If you fuck up, apologize. Like we gotta be on the same thing here. Yeah, I feel like the old kind of school parenting

is like, do as I say not as I do. And the new parenting is like, let me lead by example. Yeah, like let's be like, you know, partners here through this whole process of raising you. Like, yeah. You need to be a part of it. And you should feel like you are part of the process and that you can talk to me.

Right. And sadly, I don't think these kids felt that way with their father. That at least makes me so sad. No. Jennifer, on the other hand, she didn't outwardly challenge or oppose spartz preferred methods of discipline. I guess you could call them. But she did very much try to balance it out by being super, super loving and super supportive of the boys. I'm glad they had that. Like championing them, you know? Yeah. Now, it must have been very, very difficult

to have your home life be like that, and then have to put on the facade of like, we're this big happy family in public, you know? Like, we are prim and proper. Yeah. And it sounds like despite how things appeared to those on the outsides, on the outside, excuse me,

Jennifer and Bart's marriage had been steadily disintegrating for a while. I don't know why I said disintegrating, but I did. And fastest on different syllables. You know, and by the fall, I don't know, I was trying to put a different emphasis on that. Ball.

There you go. There you go. Ball. Of 2003, Bart was spending more and more time at work. Not working though, as I'm sure you can imagine. I was just gonna say. He and his office manager, legit named Jennifer Garner. Whoa.

Actually named Jennifer Garner, what shit? Also like, wow, they were carrying on what she described as an office affair. So he was having an affair on his wife, Jennifer, with his secretary, Jennifer. There's many reasons why this man needs to seek help, and I think we're seeing layers of it, compound on top of layers of it, truly. And also, girl, he's married with two kids.

She knew. Like, both of you are real shitty for that. Exactly. She said, after the last patient of the day, they would make love in his office and then go their separate ways. Precious, truly. I'm like, that really did it for you. So romantic.

But anyway, with Bart spending more time out of the house and the kids being a bit older and not needing like constant attention, you know, Jennifer found new ways to entertain herself. And in early 2004, she bought a PlayStation, and she found herself really quickly absorbed in this game called EverQuest. Have you heard of that?

No, I haven't either. It's an MMO game, like one of the ones where there's like a ton of other people playing. Oh, okay. I was across the world with that as well. I didn't either. Dave put a little key in there for me. Thank goodness for Dave. I love him.

Shout out to Dave. Shout out to Dave. But it's like a like a world of warcraft. We're like a call of duty. Yeah. Exactly. Where you're all talking to each other and like from my understanding. Right. Okay. You can you can talk to people from all over the world. It's like that's scary. I think it's like a multi. Multi. nope, I thought I had it, but no. Yeah, massive multiplayer online game shout out to Mikey. Mikey, you rock. And it's like a fantasy.

Yeah, kind of thing. Yeah. So so she got really, really quickly immersed in that. And I can see why? Because it's a fantasy game like hell, yeah. You know, you're kind of like creating this, this separate world that is so different from the world that you're living in right now. Yeah.

So while the kids were off at school or at one of their various activities or, you know, Bart was at work being a cheating asshole, Jennifer would spend hours at home playing EverQuest. Okay. And over time, she kind of started getting more and more withdrawn from real life. Edwina on the scene to read again

said there really was a marked difference. Jen had lost a lot of weight, was dressing more sloppily than before, and was not looking after the house like she used to. It's like, you're really just shitting on her over and over and over again. I think what you meant to say Edwina was there was a marked difference. We were concerned about her. She wasn't herself. Yeah. Like, she wasn't taking care of that house. Like, go fuck yourself. Sorry. God. But before long, Jennifer, she started skipping on unfamily functions and gatherings and people were starting to notice and the other becomes they were getting concerned. Yeah. And if that wasn't a strong enough indicator that the things in the marriage weren't

going very well, then her own words would make things explicitly clear. Early that summer, Jennifer confronted Bart for the first time and told him she was considering leaving him and that she wanted to take the boys with her. And she said, like, this is something I've been thinking about a while now. So of course, completely furious with that and needing to keep control on his side.

Yeah. Bart suggested that they go to counseling together. Okay. Which I'm like, you're actively cheating on her right now and you want to go to counseling? Maybe you have to stop your affair immediately and then do counseling. Like that'll be great. But it was too late at that point for Jennifer. And in the months that followed, she became more and more intentional about distancing

herself from Bart. She started sleeping in a different bedroom in the house and, quote, began separating her and Bart's possessions, apparently preparing to move out. And this is so unfortunate because, like, on one hand, I'm like, yeah, Jennifer, like, good for you, but I'm like, this is scary because it's the scariest time. Dangerous time. And I hate that that is a reality. It is like, it's one of the biggest realities. Because you want to champion people getting the fuck out of these situations,

but it's taking their power back. But it's so scary and so treacherous treacherous of a road to walk. It really is. It sucks. And it really does. And it takes a lot to get to that point too, which is like really sad that. And then you have to fight through the the thicket to get out of it. Exactly. You know, it's like you, you don't, you get to just walk this clear path out of the, out of this awful place. You have to, you know, I'm making a lot of weird symbolism here, but I don't know. I'm just seeing it in my head. It's like walking through like these crazy, you know, brambles that are ripping you apart as you go through. Yeah. And you just try to make it to the other side.

Mm-hmm. Are you looking author or something? I don't know why I was doing that. Yeah. And you just try to make it to the other side. Mm-hmm. Are you looking author or something? I don't know why I was doing that. I was like, I think it's how you're pretty much. I've been writing a lot, so maybe I'm like thinking about a lot of really tremendous tours into prose. Yeah. No.

I mean, it was beautiful. I welcome it. I just feel bad. But yeah, for anybody who has to deal with this part of it. Yeah. ["Find a New Place for Her Inner Boys"] Now, according to Jennifer's friend, a neighbor, Kelly, Jennifer had told her husband that she wanted to separate and find a new place for her and her boys, like I just said. Now, at first, again, like I just

said, Bart was mad, but eventually he kind of seemed to accept the fact that this marriage was over. Okay. But he had no intention of supporting Jennifer financially if that was the case. Fuck you. And because of that, in the fall of 2004, she ended up getting a job as a preschool teacher at the Sugarhill Methodist Church, where both of her boys had also gone to preschool. Okay. Now, she had something to occupy her time during the day, which was great. It was probably better for her at first, but then she fell into like this nighttime routine of spending all night playing the EverQuest game.

Yeah, that's not great. Exactly. Now, eventually, while she was doing that, she met another player online named Christopher. And they started off just talking to each other, but the online flirtation kind of escalated a bit, and now they were having a full blown online affair. Wow.

Which I can see how she got pushed to that point. Absolutely. Well, he was cheating on her. They were both checked out of this marriage ready to divorce. It's sad that they couldn't just divorce and both move on. Truly. I don't know if anything would ever make art happy, but Jennifer could have had a happy life.

She was obviously looking for some kind of emotional fulfillment and support. So throughout most of that fall, Jennifer, you know, pursued the online relationship with this Christopher, and she really, really wanted to meet in real life. But Christopher seemed reluctant to take things into the real world, which we all know as the beginning of a MTV TV show. Exactly. Now, this was confusing for Jennifer because in just a couple months of meeting online, they had exchanged almost 1,000 emails. And she was fully convinced that this Christopher was the love of her life.

Wow. So by now, November 2004, the online affair with Chris completely consumed Jennifer's thoughts. And on November 12, that would come to a screeching halt. Because Chris confided in Jennifer that he felt like their relationship had gotten out of control and he told her that he needed to admit something to her. Chris was not a tall handsome man like she'd been told and there actually was no Chris. I'm sure we kind of all saw this coming.

The person that Jennifer had been messaging was really a woman named Anita from Missouri. Anita was super, super apologetic and she explained that she was in a really shitty, unsatisfying marriage. Her home life was kind of similar to Jennifer's and the sense that she wasn't so sad. It's really sad in every way. And she was using the Chris profile

to explore her interest in women. Okay. You know, not the right thing to do, but just sad. Sad. Like sad, not the right thing to do, but just sad. Sad. Like sad that these women were in such awful, like, home life. So, you know, maybe like that people have to turn to these things. It just makes me sad.

And like, have to turn to these, like, virtual worlds where they can't really experience the joy that you do in, like, real life. And where it's like, like, that it's not just this hobby that makes you happy every once in a while. Because that's like, it's not just this hobby that makes you happy every once in a while. Because that's nice. Because that's nice. You want to have that, that's awesome. You play the Sims or something, you sit there and make a house for four hours and you're like, holy shit.

But when it becomes your reality and when it becomes the only thing that's consuming outside of playing it, that's when it's a problem. And that's usually when everything around you is so unsatisfying. Exactly. And that's what's really sad about it. Because anything that becomes that much of an escape is not necessarily healthy, I don't think.

Exactly. But Anita did say that she really, truly had fallen in love with Jennifer, and she actually hoped to continue their relationship. So over the course of a couple months, like of Jennifer knowing Chris, she had invested a lot into the relationship and the vision in her head that she had was her escaping this marriage and starting over with her boys and someone she loved. Yeah. That's her spurs. So when she got the news that it was actually Anita and that in real life, Anita identified as a woman, Jennifer was confused and honestly pretty devastated.

Of course. Which, you know, she wasn't. Of course. She didn't necessarily identify as a lesbian at that time. Yeah. And you were just, you were deceived. You were deceived. No matter what. Like, even with the intention behind it was not malicious. And when this person is still this person, you were deceived.

And that just sucks. It does. So she emailed Anita and said, I just can't take this. I even fell in love with the name Chris. I just don't know how you could do this to me. I trusted you with everything in me, which is really sad. But after a few days, the feelings of, you know, shock and betrayal, they kind of subsided. And Jennifer seemed to have forgiven Anita.

She wrote in another email, I'm not sure I would have continued to talk to you for very long if you hadn't come back to me telling me that you had lied and were still Chris. But who knows, I do know that I fall in deeper in love with you as each day passed. I'm glad you didn't wait to tell me until you'd met me. Wow, yeah, like a really big person, in my opinion.

Yeah. So from there, the relationship actually kind of got back on track. Wow. Yeah. Emails got, you know, increasingly explicit again. And now there were real discussions about meeting in person soon. It is very interesting to see they just connected as humans. Mm-hmm. Like even though this is like virtual and all that, like,

they didn't, she fell in love with this person. Yeah. Regardless of whether this was a woman or a man, she just fell in love with this person. Like that's just a very interesting, like, you know, I think we all just fall in love with people. I think a lot can be said about stripping away a lot of. It's just interesting.

Yeah, it's like a nice thing to say. It's refreshing that they just were like, you know what, I just like you as a person. Because honestly, that's how I feel. Like, I know that like people identify like as the L, the G, the BTQ and all of that. I kind of just like a person that loves people. Like I feel that.

Exactly. Yeah. But, and it kind of seems like Jennifer realized that she might have gone like a person that just loved that. Exactly. Yeah. But it kind of seems like Jennifer realized that she might have gone like a person that just loved people. Exactly. At least in the case of Anita, which I, I weirdly am like, like so happy about it, but I'm like, I know.

I know. I know that's the thing. It's like it started pretty, pretty rough. Yeah. And like it's got a lot of bumps along the way. But you've got so long the way. Like there's like these weird loopholes where you're like, yeah. And you're like, you're happy just to see

that they both moved past it and that they decided to continue whatever they were doing before. Exactly. So yeah. So Jennifer's online relationship, you know, maybe got back on track, but in the meantime, her real world and her relationship with Bart was worse than it had ever been before.

As the family, this is a serious warning for the domestic violence right here, trigger warning. As the family was driving home from Jennifer's parents house after Thanksgiving dinner, Jennifer had to make a stop at a grocery store, and Bart had completely caught on to the fact that Jennifer was having an affair, like something in him, probably the fact that he was also carrying out an affair. That'll do it. Like, gamesy game, I guess.

Exactly. So he had this like sinking feeling and he used the opportunity to search through the car for evidence of this affair he knew that she was having. And he did end up finding something. He found a poem that Anita had written to Jennifer that was, you know, kind of like sexually explicit. She'd printed it out and just kept it with her

in her purse and he found it there. Oh wow. So when she got back in the car, he confronted her with the poem and started screaming in her face like a mother fucking hypocrite. Yeah, I was going to say like you have nothing like you can't get mad about this. You're doing the same thing. One of those things where you just both go see we're not meant to be together. Yeah. So he started screaming in her face and she started crying and begging him not to be so aggressive because the kids were in the back seat. Oh my God.

And they were cowering and suddenly he punched her in the face while she was driving. In front of her children. While she was driving in front of both kids, she almost lost control of the car, but luckily managed to get home without getting in a serious accident. But as soon as they did get home, Bart jumped into his own car and just took off.

Levy. Levy had never come back by, unfortunately, he does. He left Jennifer just having been beaten essentially in front of her children. And now she has to calm her traumatized children while trying to calm herself as well. Right. So not sure what to do. She called her dad and was like, I don't know what to do right now. Like this is the situation.

And he was like, you need to pack those kids up and bring them to my house right now. Like, let's go. You gotta get out of there. Yeah. But the only problem with that was that Jennifer was worried. Bart would know that she'd gone to her parents' house and he would show up there.

And she didn't want that happening. So instead, she took the boys to her sister's house. Now, just moments after she made the arrangements for her sister, with her sister and like explained everything that was happening, Heather, the sister, her cell phone started to ring and it was bark calling. And she answered the phone and heard the frantic sound of him making excuses. He told her whatever she says, it's a lie. I didn't hit her and she can't prove anything. Like actually she can. She has two eye witnesses. Exactly.

And probably a black eye. So I don't know what you mean she can't prove anything. What a piece of shit this guy is. Just like a true piece of shit. If you can hit a woman, you're fucking disgusting. Yeah, you're a piece of shit. If you can't call your kid a baby, cry baby loser, wonder your piece of shit. There's no upside to this fucker. No. So the thing was he realized that he had fucked up, obviously.

I don't think he cared on an emotional level. He just didn't want to get in trouble. He cared in the way that he didn't want to get in trouble and cared in the way that he had a business that he didn't want to be affected by all of this. Of, of course, so don't hit people in the face then. Yeah, that's the answer to that. So now he knew the divorce was completely inevitable. He accepted that the marriage was over,

but he was very, very worried about his reputation. And of course, as a man used to having full control over every fucking aspect of his life, he was determined to do whatever he could, to protect himself and prevent Jennifer from going was determined to do whatever he could to protect himself and prevent Jennifer from going to the police, whatever he could. So on the morning of December 4th, 2004, that neighbor Kelly that I mentioned earlier, she was at home, you know, just getting ready for her day, and her doorbell started ringing frantically. So she ran to the door and opened it and she found her seven-year-old neighbor, Dalton,

crying and telling her, my daddy shot my mommy. Oh, God. Horrifying. So are you fucking kidding me? What I will say is, luckily they didn't see it happen. Oh. They knew it happened, but they didn't see it when it happened. Oh, that breaks my soul into billions.

It's really tiny comfort and a very fucked up situation. happened, but they didn't see it when it happened. Oh, that like breaks my soul into a billion times. Tiny comfort in a very fucked up situation. Oh my god, that's so awful. It's horrifying. So Kelly picked up Dalton and started comforting him, but at the same time rushed over to the house to check on her friend. I mean, this was her friend. So she stepped foot in the house just as the younger son was walking out of his parents'

bedroom crying. And Kelly looked in to see that Jennifer, this is a horrifying scene. She was laying on the bed dressed only in a night gown and there was a very large hole in the back of her head. And the younger son had just walked out of the room. Oh, God. They had seen everything. They had seen everything except it happened when it happened. So Kelly carefully approached the bed and she reached out to touch Jennifer and she said she was ice cold, she was frozen, she'd been there a long time, there was nothing I could do for her. So she scooped up both boys and ran

back to her house to call 911. Now, wow. Like I also that neighbor, what a fucking, that's a neighbor. She walked into that house, not knowing what she was going to be dealing with. Oh, I mean, she just heard my daddy shot at mommy for a few years. She walked into that house. She had a gun still. Yeah. And to go get that other little boy, like that's heroic. She cared.

Yeah, that's a good neighbor. And actually her and her husband are a huge part of this case and like fantastic people. Oh, I love that. You can tell. Absolutely. I'm like covered in these phones I know. It's just awful. Now, Gwyneth County police officers arrived at 8.01 a.m. just a couple minutes after Kelly called and they made their way inside the Corbin House. And you know, they found Jennifer, just as Kelly had described to them when she met them at the front door.

Jennifer was lying on her side. There was that gunshot wound to the back of her head. And the revolver was next to her body, but it was slightly covered by the sheet of the bed. And scattered across the bed in front of her were divorce papers that had been served to her, or seem to have been served to her on behalf of Bart Corbin. So he was trying to make it look like very clearly. Yeah. The officers in the room, they had never been trained to jump to conclusions, obviously, but the scene in the bedroom told them a pretty simple story at that point of a wife who had become despondent at the thought of being divorced by her husband and took her own life. That's what a glance told you.

But at Kelly's house across the street, Kelly's husband Steve remembered that Bart had planned to go away for that weekend and he had left the night before, but he didn't know the number to wherever Bart had gone and he couldn't remember exactly where he had said he was going, so he had no way of reaching him. Okay. So he called Bart's parents' house and he spoke to Bart's father Bob and he was like, somebody needs to pick up the kids. Like, I don't know what to do here.

Yeah. And he recalled the phone call later and said, somebody was on the phone when I was talking to him. They were breathing really heavy. I thought, maybe it was Bart Corbin on the other line. So while he was talking to Bob the father, he could tell somebody else was on a different line. Creepy. That's terrifying.

Now, despite how the scene appeared at a glance, investigators had more than one reason to be skeptical that Jennifer had taken her own life. First, there was Dalton statement to Kelly, that his father had shot his mother. Yeah. Then there was also the fact that just a couple days earlier on December 1st, Jennifer called 911 to report that she and Bart had been in another fight, and he'd stolen her phone in a few other belongings and left the house. Like what? What a man, baby. Like a true man, baby.

She was like, oh. And then finally, there were reports from Jennifer's family to the police about the domestic violence and the assault that occurred on Thanksgiving. They did report that. Good. Jennifer's father till then, B.C., I knew that she was dead, and I knew that occurred on Thanksgiving. They did report that. Jennifer's father till then BC. I knew that she was dead and I knew that somebody did it. Oh, which he probably, like I can't imagine. And it's like they probably were seeing this play out in real time and they were just dreading.

It's like your worst nightmare has come to fruition. It's like you can see it all going in a really bad direction, and it's like this is the worst possible outcome. Exactly. So, while the news of Jennifer's death started making its way around stunned family members, police and crime scene technicians were processing the scene as what it was a crime scene luckily. Now among those people at the scene was senior assistant district attorney Tom Davis,

and he immediately was like, this place is suspicious as fuck and all of this is a little too obvious. Yeah, the divorce paper strewn out in front of her like, come on. Right. There were things about the scene also that just didn't make sense. Jennifer had been shot in the back of her head. I was also going to say like just the logistics. Right. So she'd been shot in the back of the head, but the gun was laying at her side, tucked under a sheet. Yeah. If she had shot herself, that would have meant that she would have had to slip the gun under that sheet. Before falling over.

After having shot herself in the back of the head. Exactly. Yeah. Not possible. No. Didn't know if I had to throw that in there. Yeah. Just in case you were wondering.

But then there were the divorce papers themselves. I don't know if you caught what I said earlier. They seemed like they had been served to her. This is fucking wild. As investigators were processing this scene, a guinet sheriff's deputy unaware of what was going on at that point, arrived at the house to serve Jennifer divorce papers. These were fake papers. Yep. This fucking idiot, they hadn't even been served yet. Are you kidding me? Like how did you, what? That's why I don't under, I mean,

there's so many things about this that you won't understand. Nobody should ever understand like why someone kills someone in the first place, but he's worried about his reputation and his career. And the answer to that is, I'm going to murder my wife. That'll help my reputation. Yeah. No, you're just going to go to jail. Mm-hmm.

Like that doesn't help your reputation either. Classic narcissists, though. It wasn't I won't murder my wife. It was, I'm going to murder my wife and stage it like a suicide. And I'm so smart. So why would anybody ever question me? It's like, wow, I'm glad they're so dumb. In that sense, because it's like they always get caught.

And it's like thank goodness. Right. Fuck. So the investigators are sitting there and they're like, well, how would she be distraught over divorce papers that she hadn't been served yet? Yeah.

Like, these are not real, clearly. That's the universe intervening right there. Right. Good. That was when I got to that point, I was like, what? Yeah. But a better question, where the fuck was Bart Corbin? Yeah.

Nobody knew where he was at this point. And it took hours trying to locate him, but detectives were finally able to get in touch with his brother, Bobby, a little after 11 a.m. Okay. Now Bobby told Detective Marcus head, you can understand my brother is pretty upset and anxious right now. Yeah. Uh-huh. I could understand that.

I could understand exactly why he might be anxious. Absolutely. Now the detective returned to Max Barber, Jennifer's father, who had been at the scene all morning tending to the kids and like realizing what had just happened to his daughter. I can't even imagine. So the detective goes over to him and explains, morning tending to the kids and like realizing what had just happened to his daughter. I can't even imagine. So the detective goes over to him and explains, you know, I talked to Bart's brother and they're on their way to pick up the kids, which I don't know why that was allowed.

Like why would Bart's family be able to like, no, I don't quite understand that. That shouldn't have been allowed. Like that alone must have been shocking to Max. You don't. Like the whole thing was the kid came over and said, my daddy shot my mommy. Exactly. Whether you think that's the case or not,

that's what that kid said. And you should treat it like there's something wrong here. Like, why would you send those kids off? Don't give those kids to his family. Exactly. Well, she says it's just. So they told Max that Bart and Bobby would be there in about 15 to 20 minutes.

Max waited there for three hours, and Bart never showed and never called. Of course not. Three. He didn't give a shit about his kids. No, he doesn't care. No. I mean, any normal parent, I can imagine it's wildly hard to picture this, like a parent not rushing to be with their kids after such a traumatic event under normal circumstances, but these were not normal circumstances. And Bart had other priorities. Yeah, like fucking secretary or whatever the fuck she has. And this, while he was supposedly pulling himself together to go over to the house and

pick the kids up, he actually was in fact consulting with his divorce lawyer, Patricia O'Kelly, asking her for lawyer recommendations, excuse me, on a criminal matter. So she suggested that he contact Peters, Roberts, Borsik and Rubin, and that was a decoder, sorry, based law firm specializing in criminal law. And by noon that day, Bart had hired Doug Peters, the firm's leading criminal attorney. It's really wild to me that not one person is being like, hey, you should do the right thing and like go to your kids. Like not one person was like, I'm gonna step out of line here

and I'm gonna tell you you should probably go take care of your kids. I'm sure somebody probably, like someone say that, but honestly who knows? It kind of sounds like Bart was just like, he surrounded himself with a lot of yes people. Exactly. But so any belief that Jennifer had taken her own life quickly fell away once the crime scene technicians

got to work in the house of the morning. It turned out that Tom Davis' suspicions were pretty accurate. Given the position of the body and the gun, it would have been impossible that Jennifer shot herself. It doesn't make physical sense. And the position of the body and the gun, it would have been impossible. The Jennifer shot herself. That doesn't make physical sense. And the most telling piece of evidence was actually the position of her nightgown. Oh.

It had slid at some point, exposing one of her breasts. And the technicians believed that that couldn't have happened after she had, as she had slumped over after a gunshot. Yeah. Like, it didn't make sense. And instead, it was their belief that it happened when somebody pulled her body into like a half-sitting position on the bed.

Like, that's when it happened. And to add to that, which I was like, wow, Bart, you're a fucking idiot. One of the straps on her night gown had slid down past her shoulder. It couldn't be in that position if she had just lifted her arms to shoot herself. Yeah, it didn't make any sense. And finally, her body was discovered with her upper body slightly twisted in a way that couldn't have happened after she had just shot

herself. I'm glad he's stupid. Yeah, so they were like, okay, clearly somebody repositioned her body here. Yeah, this is a homicide Now that was all just what the naked I could see But further tests conducted at the scene also quickly disproved the suicide theory There were no fingerprints on the gun. Wow. So whoever had used the gun had wiped it down afterwards Which was obviously Jennifer. Yeah totally clearly after life. Yes There was also no gunpowder or residue on either of her hands, which was noted as very difficult with that particular gun. Yeah.

And lastly, the angle at which she would have had to handle the gun in order for the bullet to enter as it had into her head made it physically impossible. She couldn't have gotten into that position to help to hold that gun in that way. So while detect or excuse me while technicians dealt with all of that detective head and his team started talking to family members and neighbors to find out more about their marriage and they started by talking to Dalton Corbin the oldest son now in a seven-year-old a seven-year-old now in his interview with Dalton Detective head asked the boy or he was a little older than seven at this point, like, in a place that gone by, but still young.

Yeah. In his interview with Dalton, Detective Head asked the boy why he told Kelly that his dad had shot his mom. He's like, why'd you say that? Like, you know, he's got a start off kind of, you know? And Dalton explained that he actually hadn't seen Bart's shoot Jennifer, which like, think whoever. But the fact that that was his first thought,

but given his father's explosive temper and frightening violent behavior, especially toward his mother lately, Dalton said he immediately thought his father had done it when he fought the body. The fact that it shiiled, like it was not simple. It was on that and was like, oh, yeah, he would. Exactly.

Like a child. Your child is pinpointing you as the killer of his own mother, mother? Yeah. Right off the bat. Like you're a failure. You're a failure. Fucking failure.

Absolutely. So his Dalton's explanation to detect, the two detective heads, excuse me, echoed other family members claims that Bart had, you know, been very abusive and very violent in the very recent past, but it was actually Steve Kelly's husband, his statement that actually confirmed investigator suspicions. Now, Kelly and Steve told detectives that Bart was supposed to have gone away to visit his brother the afternoon before Jennifer had been found.

Okay. And he wasn't supposed to come home until the day after, which gave him an alibi. Yeah. Now Steve told those same detectives, though, that Steve himself had gotten home much later than he usually did the night before Jennifer's body had been found. He got home sometime after 1.30 a.m. And he was awake and heard a truck pull into the Corbin's driveway around 2 a.m. That was unusual. So he booked his head out the window and he saw the brake lights of Bart's truck illuminated in the driveway and he was like, oh, I guess like he didn't you know, he must have come back. Yeah, that's crazy. And about 15 minutes later the trucks sped away from the Corbin House quote, in a great hurry.

Hmm. What? What happened there? I thought you were away. So having collected statements from the most important people at the scene, the the only person investigators at this point were really fucking eager to talk to you was Bar Corbin. But I'm sure this is going to come as a shock to all. He was being very uncooperative. Oh, what? Yeah.

Detectives have been trying to reach him through his brother Bobby, but every attempt so far was unsuccessful. Bobby just kept telling them that Bart wanted to talk with his lawyer before he made a formal statement to the police. So after he finished his interview with Steve, Detective had tried one last time to reach Bart

and did it by calling Bobby Corbin. And Bobby told the detective that Bart had retained a criminal defense lawyer and the lawyer had advised him against talking to detectives. So he was not becoming down to talk to them. Wow, you're all pieces of shit. So right now there wasn't a ton that they could do because they didn't have necessarily anything pinning him to the crime, but they were going to start looking. Because between the statements taken from friends and family and his continued refusal

to speak to investigators, he was starting to look like a very strong suspect. And suspicions only grew stronger when they started digging into his background. Uh-oh. Which I will get to. In part two, I knew it. I know, I don't think I actually told you

at the beginning of this, that it was gonna be a Tupada, but it is. This knew it. I know. I don't think I actually told you at the beginning of this, that it was going to be a two-pada, but it is. This one's a, this one is a doozy. You know, and when you said, you said December 4th, 2004, and I was just thinking about it, I was like, oh, like, what was I doing in 2004? And then I was like, you just grabbed my ass. Do you ever think about that?

Yes. In these kind of cases, like, on the day, you're like, what was I doing that day when this was happening? And I had no idea that this was happening somewhere in the country. It's so weird that you said that because Drew and I had a conversation like that recently about like something terrible that happened while we were at like universal. And I was like, all of us here, like everybody at universal was just walking around, like, like, and around super happy, like having probably like one of the best times ever and then this horrible thing life was just happening floating. It's just like really it's like woof. Yeah, I think about creepy. Yeah. Oh

I know and this is a tough one. I hope this guy gets gets it. I don't know. It's all I'm saying. He might get away or he might not I don't know. Those are the two choices so I hope you're one Again, we'll get to it in part two so we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird But that's where they don't go listen to part two by Thank you. Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash

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