Morbid - Episode 494: Jack Tupper Part 1

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

On August 6, 1978, the body of thirty-five-year-old bar owner Jack Tupper was found in a vacant lot in the Bronx, just across the street from the local firehouse. His face had been severely slashed, his head and body badly beaten, he had been shot seven times, and finally, he had been set on fire. Witnesses reported seeing a small group of men in the lot attempting to set fire to a box earlier that day, including three witnesses who identified former racehorse trainer Howard “Buddy” Jacobson as one of the men, and one who was able to provide detectives with the license plate number of the car they were driving.Buddy Jacobson was quickly arrested for Tupper’s murder and the story quickly became New York’s latest scandal: Former horse trainer murders man in love triangle. Jacobson had indeed killed Tupper because the younger man was having an affair with Jacobson’s girlfriend but, while the motive may have been a classic, the story was far more sensational and salacious than anyone could have expected, and it turned out the arrest was just the beginning.Thank you to David White for research assistance :)Resources: Allen, Joy. 1978. "Family is embittered in 'triangle' slaying." Newsday, August 9: 17.Arnett, Peter, and Jane See White. 1978. "Life and death on fast track for a model." Newsday, August 21: 4.Associated Press. 1979. "Jacobson defense alleges cocaine plot by victim." Newsday, October 11: 19.—. 1979. "'Triangle' case hearing could clear defendant." The Journal News, October 24: 4.Christine, Bill. 1988. "The odyssey of Buddy Jacobson: Horses, models and a murder sentence." Los Angeles Times, January 10.Cummings, John, and Peggy Brown. 1980. "Buddy Jacobson escapes prison." Newsday, June 01: 3.Cummings, Jophn, and Joy Allen. 1978. "'Triangle' murder probers hear horseman's ex-wife." Newsday, August 16: 17.Fried, Joseph P. 1980. "Jacobson's 'friends and relatives' said to have helped in recapture." New York Times, July 11: A1.   New York, NY: Macmillan.—. 1978. "Love and Death on the Upper East Side." New York Magazine, September 11.McFadden, Robert D. 1979. "'Gag' order covers murder trial." New York Times, October 23: B8.McFadden, Robert. 1980. "Jacobson, in calls from jail, speaks of his 'betrayal'." New York Times, 07 July: A1.New York Times. 1978. "Jacobson warned of bail revocation." New York Times, November 10: B7.Newton, Edmund, and Sheryl Kornman. 1980. "Cops hunt Buddy Jacobson around the world." Newsday, June 2: 4.The Reporter Dispatch. August. "Hunt widens in triangle slaying." The Reporter Dispatch, 10 1978: D14.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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that I'm gonna stop immediately. I'm worried though, because school is starting again. Yep. So get ready. We're just gonna be sick all the time. But then... No, we're not. I'm not manifesting that. No, I was gonna say we're not gonna be sick all the time. But then, no, we're not. I'm not manifesting that. No, I was gonna say we're not gonna be sick all the time.

That was the worst manifesting ever. No one's getting sick. Ever. This is it. This summer cold, summer sucks. So I have a summer cold. Summer does suck. I'm ready for summer to be done.

Fuck summer. Done with summer. We're getting like a heat wave next week, didn't you say, though? That's what John told me, but tell John to stop giving you bad news. I know don't give me bad. No Give me bad news a heatwave So do it in the September time September time in the September time. That's a tick-tock that we should share That's a tic-tock that we should share that Cariah yes, we're using the Sakurai a a voice. Sakurai voice. Go follow Sakurai.

I think everyone already follows Sakurai. I was gonna say. But if you don't, with this, it's not new. We've been following him for like a billion years, but Sakurai forever. Go follow him on TikTok. I'm pretty used to just go to like,

sabers or like whatever and buy random shit. Like, defunct like, cooking product. Yes. And then you would make them work. Yeah, he was good at that. Recently, did you see that episode where he made, it was like a meatloaf cupcake with like mashed potato frosting?

No, that sounds horrifying. It was moderately upsetting, but then I said, I'm not opposed to trying that. He said, maybe I like you love me. I like mashed potatoes. Don't threaten me with a good time. I don't know about cupcake for him, but, do you know, we're all in this together.

Eating meat cupcakes. Eating cupcakes. Eating cupcakes. I don't know. You know what, guys? This is really fucking random, but I really want you to go listen to the rewatcher. So I just thought about it and said that. If you watched Buffy, by the way, you're really missing out if you're not watching, listening

to the rewatcher. And if you haven't watched Buffy, it's a great time to start the rewatcher because I had never seen Buffy before except like a couple fucking episodes. I just really wanted to throw that in there because it's just, we just recorded an episode and it's so fun. And I just thought you guys would love it. I love it so much. Go check it out if you haven't checked it out yet.

Check it out. We talk lots of shit about lots of people on Buffy. Yeah. Yay. Check it out, yeah. Check it out. We talk lots of shit about lots of people on Buffy. Yeah, yay. All right, well yeah, let's get into morbid because that's the time and place that we're at right now in the... In the temporal fold.

Is that what that is? There you go. Yeah, is it a temporal fold? I mean, that was in Buffy. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I have a love triangle this week. Oh boy.

And it all starts off with some jackass named buddy. You know And it all starts off with some jackass named buddy. You know, it always starts off with some jackass named buddy. You know, really his name was Harold, but they called him Buddy. I really know why. Those are always my favorite. When the, when the nickname has literally nothing to fucking do with the original name and somehow it's exactly as long or longer sometimes than the original name. Yeah, you're saving one letter there.

Harold buddy. Yeah, that takes saving one letter there. Harold Buddy. Now that takes you the exact same amount of time to say. Well, either way. Harold Buddy, Jacobson, he was born on December 10th, 1930, in Brooklyn, New York. The 30s. The 30s, yeah. It wasn't a great time.

I was gonna say not a great time. And especially in New York. To Florence and Joseph, also known as Sam, Jacobson. I don't know if that was just like his middle name. You know what his name was, Joseph? Let's call him Sam. Yeah, you know, I don't know. But he was the youngest of their two kids.

He had an older sister. And by most accounts, his early life was pretty unremarkable. It was the beginning of the Great Depression, like I just said, and like most families living through that, the Jacobson struggled to get by on a very modest income, which was made even more modest by Sam Jacobson's fucking gamble and waste. Oh, no, come on. It's the Great Depression.

Like, what are you even gambling for at that point? That's the thing. What are you using to gamble? What are you using to gamble? What does anyone have to give you? Yeah, I understand. It's just not a good idea. It does not compute. Now, when Buddy was about 10 years old, his father left the have to give you? Like, I understand. It's just not a good idea. It does not compute.

Now, when Buddy was about 10 years old, his father left the family to live with his mistress. And this asshole not only left his family to go moving with his mistress, but they moved in a few doors down from his wife and kids. That's unsettling. Like, talk about tension.

You gotta be a real gross couple of humans to do that. You're a real fucked up individual. Yeah, you're real gross. You know what? I have an insult generator up here somewhere. Oh, you still have that up? I keep it up. Queen Shire.

I keep it up. I keep it up for when I need it. What a pompous taintown that guy is. I don't like that one at all. A pompous taintown. I don't know about that. Pompous for sure. Sounds correct.

Yeah. Well, so it was very tension filled. So do I'm just moving on right along from that? It's probably a good idea. Yeah. So to escape this stressful whole thing. I'm on cold medicine, everybody. Are you sure? I haven't taken any because I don't react stressful whole thing. I'm on cold medicine, everybody. Are you sure?

I haven't taken any because I don't react well to that and it makes my dreams all weird. I react great to it, apparently. I don't know about that. Some might argue different. I don't know about that. You sure about that? You sure about that?

Why are we just ticked off? But okay, so it's stressful because, you know, Buddy's dad just moved in with his new mommy down the door. So that's not good. But to escape from that, Buddy spent most of his time playing in the street with the neighborhood kids. And this was where he developed a very, very fierce

competitive street, I'm sure you can relate, that he would carry with him for the rest of his life. Yours is like a normal competitive street for those times. His takes yours and sends it to the moon. Oh no, well now I feel competitive that his competitive streak is better than mine. Oh my God. I should have slept on that comment.

So according to one childhood friend, but he was unstoppable. They said, but he was the yo-yo champ. He was the handball champ. He was the ping pong champ. Okay. So what they said is, all right, he was a fucking champ. I don't know, champ. He was the ping pong champ. Okay. That's what they said. He was a fucking champ. I don't know.

He didn't meet me. Okay. Well, other than his competitive streak, something else that stuck with Buddy for most of his life going forward, obviously, was his father's abandonment of his family. That shit sticks with you. Yeah, I imagine it would. First-hand experience right here. Now, as a teenager, he would tell very elaborate lies

about his family and where his family came from. He would tell his friends and his peers that he was Italian rather than Jewish. I mean, actually, it was Jewish. And that he had been actually adopted by the Jacob Sins as a baby. And that his real father, his quote-unquote gangster father, had perished in a gory shootout with the law.

I mean, that's a story. I mean, who wouldn't tell that story? I'm gonna tell that story from now on. Tell that story. Yeah, well. Now, only his most intimate friends actually knew the truth about where Buddy really came from, and they only knew it because it came out

if he was very emotional or if his friends cried the truth out of him after quite a few drinks to him. Ah, that's usually when the truth comes out. Truth. So even though he'd probably rather not acknowledge his past, it was Buddy's family history that actually led him to the horse track, which is where much of this beginning, oh, I forgot to mention this is going to be two parts. Oh. Two pada.

Two pada. But the first part of this, we're going to talk a lot about the horse track. Oh. Because when he was just 11 years old, Buddy began working for his Uncle Jean Jacobs, which it's funny that his uncle's last name is Jacobs and his is Jacobson. And it makes me wonder if like it got shortened, but then some people didn't recognize the shortened version of it. Perhaps. You know what I mean? Yeah. I know what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? You're talking about Ellis Island in the ocean. Yeah, I'm talking about the infamous Ellis Island.

That one. Yeah, I don't about the infamous Ellis Island. That one. Yeah, I don't know. But it's Uncle Gene Jacobson. He started working for him. And his job was basically walking the exercise horses, which were referred to as HOTs. Oh, because they were like, oh, they're hot from the exercise.

The HOTs, that's my guess. So he would walk them back to the stables, he would clean up the stalls, and just do all the low stakes tasks that needed to be done. Now after a while, Buddy actually saw more of a future in horses than he did in high school. So he ended up quitting school, and he followed his uncle to Florida, where he kept working as a stable boy for 25 bucks a week, which was, or in today's calculations, it would be

a little more than 300 bucks a week. Oh. So for high school, that's a pretty decent job. Yeah, not really good. Yeah. And he worked his way up the ladder pretty quickly. And soon he became four men of the stables, which is a big fucking deal when it comes to bosses.

The boss. Yeah. Now by 1952, he received his assistant trainers license and getting that license actually allowed him to break away from his uncle's business and strike out on his own in the horse business. Now for the Jacobs and Jacobson families who had always been really close, Buddy's determination to rise quickly in the profession wasn't really a surprise. His uncle Jean said, I put him on when I didn't need him and he just made himself needed.

He was a very hard worker, very devoted to the job. Look at him, so he'd spoke his praises. So not long after gaining his license, buddy started training two horses that his sister read-owned. And once they were ready, he brought them to the races. He was off to the races like Lana. Yeah, yeah. And he brought them to the races in New York and he won with them. Look at him. So obviously he's pretty encouraged now. So he took on, he took those horses to the more competitive tracks in Florida. Oh, that's where you go. Yeah, always go to Florida. Never. Buddy was a Florida pain. Buddy was a Florida man. Oh, no, honestly, that's not good. And when he took them to Florida, they did great there. He continued a streak of wins.

So more and more wins start stacking up for Buddy, and SUNY had made a pretty good name for himself as a horse trainer. He was signing contracts with new clients to train their horses, and more importantly, while the wins helped to build a reputation, they also included a percentage of the purse, which was the cash prize awarded to the winning horse and the jockey. So that placed him in a high-attacks bracket and it gave him a solidly upper middle class lifestyle. Look at Buddy. He was living that swanky life. Oh man.

So in the mid-1950s, he actually ended up meeting and marrying a woman named Joan Miller. And pretty soon after they got married, they welcomed a son together, David. That would be Buddy's only child. And this new life that Buddy was living was a pretty far cry from how he'd grown up and from what he was used to.

Yeah. In some good ways, and then in his opinion, not in so many great ways. Because maybe some of this family life wasn't really for him. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He wasn't super interested in, you know,

that domestic lifestyle wasn't that interested in being a husband or really a dad? Oh, you know what? Those are two things that you should have interested in if you become a husband and a dad. Yeah, that's what most people say. It's those are the two key things in the handbook. Yeah, you know. I'm Carrie Mulligan, the host of I Hear Fear, a new anthology series of terror. The stories in this podcast are things that people don't want to talk about when the sun's out, and the world's supposed to make sense.

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when it came to his family life. But those were the two main things that drove him professionally, interestingly enough. In 1958, he ended up getting hired by a Wall Street trader named Bill Frankl to train a horse that Bill had recently bought. And Buddy wasn't actually able to replicate his earlier success with the Frankl's horse. He won only one race in the first eight months.

Damn. But for some reason, Bill Frankl took an immediate liking to Buddy and he decided to stick with him. And Buddy later said to the Frankl's, they never complained. You don't find good sports like them every day. Old sport, old sport. That's weird that you sound like because I made a Gatsby reference in this later. Of course you did, you have to. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So things started to turn around for Buddy a few years later. And he was running to second on the list of leading New York trainers in 1960. Damn, just behind his uncle, Jean Jacobs. Oh, so you broke away from the uncle, but you haven't beat him yet. But two years later, Buddy did surpass Uncle Jean

and took the top spot on the 1962 list with 64 wins. Wow. But the success really didn't do much to endear Buddy to those around him. Bill Frankl might have liked him, but really nobody else did. His success really only kind of exacerbated that arrogance and overly competitive spirit that people already knew was there.

So when he was announced as the top trainer in New York, a reporter asked Buddy what he had learned from his uncle's experiences in the business and without hesitating, buddy replied, they've taught me nothing. They don't come near me at the track. I'm out to beat him and they know it. He literally was just like, fuck him.

Wow, just like a true good sport. Like if his uncle hadn't taken him on, he wouldn't have learned any of this. Yeah, he wouldn't have done any of this. And he's like, I swear nothing. Like damn, like so rude. Wow. It's like a classic case of not remembering

where you come from. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a race at all. I did it all get out of here. Like, I don't think so, sir. You know what, that self from. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a race at all. I did it all get out of here. I'm like, I don't think so, sir. You're not that self-made. No, buddy. No.

His comments to reporters only spoke further to his fiercely competitive, petty and spiteful character. And people remembered buddy being like that as a child, and they would continue to remember him the same way even after he died. Oh, no. But his winning streak did continue, and it came with more and more money.

In 1963, he was named America's top horse trainer. Dang, I didn't even know this was a thing. I didn't either. But he had nearly twice as many wins to his name as compared to his uncle. Wow. No, not long after he was living that big life. So he decided to buy two apartment buildings and queens

and merge them together to create one massive home for his family. And he hired a living maid. Damn. Yeah, he was a live in the big life. I told you was a swanky fellow. The money, the property, and the other extravagances were a testament to his professional success. But they really didn't do much to improve the rift that had started growing between him and his wife, Joan, for quite some time at this point. I was wondering where Joan was and all this. She's not really in all of this when in Buddy said at least. Later, Buddy's assistant, Frank Pajano, explained the strain to reporters saying, well, what happened

was she wanted to go out to a movie once in a while, just to a movie, nothing fancy, but Buddy didn't care to. He only loved the horses. What a nass. So you wouldn't even take her to a movie once in a while, just to a movie, nothing fancy, but but he didn't care too. He only loved the horses. What a nass. So you wouldn't even take her to a fucking movie. That's a nass whole move. That's a dick move. You don't need a wife.

No. You could have kept on living this bachelor life and stacking up the winds and marry a horse and you'll carry a horse. Yeah. Sounds like he wasn't even that like he didn't like care about the horses that much. He just like winning. Yeah. So now he's in his early 30s,

and his life is consumed by horses and his continuous drive to be the best. But like I was just saying, for all his interest in horses, they didn't really seem to make him feel anything on a deeper level. It wasn't the animal that he loved. Like I just said, it was the winning

and the superiority he held over the horses. He told his assistant, you can't have an attachment to a horse. And indicated that he was disgusted by them in general. Ew! Yeah. That's gross. Like disgusted by the animal that made him as wealthy as he was in the final place.

And also, horses are like the sweetest animals. And they're so majestic. How the fuck don't you like a horse? You ever look in a horse's eyes? Not often. I have. I was like, I don't know where I horse? You ever look in a horse's eyes? Not often. I have. I was like, I don't know where I'm going. I have not, but I feel like you could get lost in them.

You could. I do feel that way. I don't have any evidence to back that up because I myself have never looked in a horse's eyes, but it's just this, it's a Nate feeling inside. She just, she just pointed to her chest. Yeah. It's a Nate feeling inside, I feel that. Yeah. I was a little bit afraid of horses for a while.

I'm still afraid of horses. Yeah. They just, they're so big. Oh, so big, so powerful, so absolutely. Throw you off in a second. Yeah. There's a lot happening there. I'm terrified of them. But they're beautiful. Sure do love to look at them. My mother-in-law loves horses. There you go. And Ma does too, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Just red horses. Horses. Horses. So it seemed to buddy's assistant Frank there that all buddy really cared about was the acquisition of things, material things that he could hold up as evidence of his success. And then by extension, at least as far as he was concerned, they, those things placed his value as a person or like stakeed his value as a person. Yeah, steaked his value as a person. Yeah, that's not a good way to be.

And this is when I said, it's giving Tom Buchanan from the Great Gatsby. 100% of this. Thank you. But the problem was when it came to Buddy, nothing was ever enough. By the mid-1960s, he had become kind of a celebrity and he was making more money than he had ever even made,

but he was spending it just as fast as it was coming in. He's one of those stories. Oh, yeah, they made it, they lost it. Yeah, he lost so much. Oh, no. His relationship with his wife had all but ended. They continued to stay married on paper, but they were not married in life. Joan managed the home she cared for their son in Queens.

Of course she did. While Buddy just has started having one affair after the other. He never really dated much before getting married, and I think breaking those generational cycles, you know? Yes, seriously. That's a good job. And I think the fact that he never dated much before getting married was kind of detrimental in his case.

Because once he realized that there was women out there that didn't care that he was married, it was like he needed to catch up on what he had missed out on. Or like felt like he had missed out on. Author Anthony Hayden guest wrote, it was as if he'd opened the door with an enchanted key. That's a beautiful way of saying, I know.

He started fucking women outside of marriage. It's a beautiful way to say, what a nice way of saying that. He was a hoe. Yeah, once upon a time not long ago, he was a hoe. There you go. Yeah. And soon he was married to Joan Jacobson, really in name only. That's about it.

He didn't really have a lot of trouble attracting women, because like I said, he had become kind of a celebrity in the wealthy New York circles. Yeah. But the women he was dating, not a lot of them stuck around for very long. They were there for like a good time, not a long time. Yeah. And the ones who did stick around were really only staying as long as they did because he was dating, not a lot of them stuck around for very long. They were there for like a good time, not a long time.

Yeah. And the ones who did stick around were really only staying as long as they did because he was paying their bills. Exactly. I was looking at that. Yeah. Now, either way, the endless stream of young, beautiful women convinced Buddy that he no longer needed Joan.

So in the mid to late 1960s, he moved out of their apartment and just never looked back. Again, they were still married, but he just ditched her. Cool. Mm-hmm. Very cool. Just like, you hated your dad for doing that to you. I was gonna say you. I was gonna say you.

But then you did the exact same thing to your, not only your wife, but your son. Yeah, you did another cycle, like you're starting to write over. Real shitty. Real shitty. Later, after his eventual arrest, a reporter asked him whether he was getting any emotional support from Joan, and he replied, I haven't seen her for 10 to 15 years. Yeah, fuck that. Why would Joan give him any emotional support? I'd be like, good luck.

Can you imagine? I think that reporter was just like, hey, are you getting any support from the wife you left? Yeah. Now, like most things in buddy's life, which I'm sure you're catching onto a pattern here, Joan was just another one of those things that validated his worth and that he could hold up as evidence of his success. So when she didn't serve either of those purposes anymore, he just left her. Just cast her aside. And his ability to sever ties with things that didn't serve him was like very

sane, like scary. And I think it was another hallmark of his life going back as far as childhood. And like most of his other personality traits, it only got worse when he became an adult. Former horse owner, Sam Lafranque, Lafrax, excuse me, said about Buddy. As a personality, he was a loner. And he didn't like anybody telling him what to do. I mean, yeah was a loner. And he didn't like anybody telling him what to do. I mean, yeah, sounds like it. You're like relatable. I was gonna say, I don't want to say the relatable because he sounds like a Nimrod, but he is a Nimrod.

But, you know. But you can relate to being a loner and not like people telling you what. Yeah, I can absolutely relate to that. I don't like how many, the similarities we have. Yeah, I don't have many, many things that are different. Yeah, I can absolutely relate to that. I don't like how many similarities we have. Yeah, I don't like many, many things that are different. Yeah, you're very different. So many different things. I don't like people telling me what to do

either. I wouldn't consider myself a loner though. Yeah, I would never consider me a loner. Really cool. Fuck that. But by the late 1960s, buddy had actually been elected president of the New York Division of the Horseman's Benevolent and Protective Association.

Look at this guy. He's killing it kind of. And almost immediately though, because he's not really killing it, his personality put him at odds with the New York Racing Association. Yik. Now this is interesting. The reason he was at odds with them was because he was demanding that a pension fund be established for the stable hands.

And when the Racing Association refused, Buddy demanded a boycott. It's very right or strike. And an April of 1969, the union ended up going on strike. Wow. So this kind of sounds like it was a good deed on his end, but despite how it might have looked, most people believed that the strike had a lot less to do with him supporting low-wage workers than it actually did with his insatiable need for power. Absolutely. most people believed that the strike had a lot less to do with him supporting low wage workers than it actually did with his insatiable need for power.

Absolutely. And control over literally everything. Sports writer Pete Ackthelm said, I don't think he cared about Puerto Rican stable hands. I think he wanted to prove that he, Buddy Jacobson, could overturn the whole power structure. Yeah, that's what it seems like with him. It does.

So eventually the Racing Association did cave and they agreed to the pension fund and this exact this shows you like what happened and what buddies real intentions were. They put buddy in control of the finances, but unfortunately his arrogance caught up with him just nine days after taking over the pension fund. Wow. During an audit performed by the Racing Association, the accountants noticed several irregularities and misrepresentations in the books. Oh, shocking.

Yeah, so they removed Buddy from his post and they suspended him for 45 days. But the blow to his ego was too big, so he just decided to leave racing for good. Wow, that's, they tried to suspend him for 45 days for essentially or allegedly stealing money. That's a baby move. And he said, I'm going to leave racing for good.

That's a big baby move. I literally said, guys, the definition of a petulant child. Really? Like, that's such a big baby move. Lee. He's such a big. I just want to do it. Such a baby.

This guy's gross. Ew. So now with considerably more free time than he had quite literally ever had, Buddy shifted his focus back to his new interests in women and property. He was spending more and more time at his quote-unquote bachelor apartment and a building in Queens. And one of his short-term girlfriends later remembered the building as being, quote, full of stewardesses, all of whom seemed to interest in buddy. She elaborated, buddy had a Cadillac.

He would leave it out in the front for other girls to use. The place was full of girls. He could never go with the same girl more than once or twice. He lost interest. He would chase some girl sending her flowers all the time. But if he heard that she was going with somebody else, he just lost interest. Wow.

So he's just like a play-a-play-a. He's just a play-a. Mm-hmm. Now, while things may have been going well for Buddy in his personal life, I guess you could say, his professional life was taking hit after hit, because he just got suspended from this racing business and then just decided to leave it all together.

And then with all together, it was just like, fuck it. So in 1970, he made a very random move and just invested rather heavily in a ski resort in Vermont. That's what you do. When you leave your profession, you know? What? Where did that come from?

A Kandustin ski resort in Vermont. Obviously. That's what, in my head, I was like, you know, what he really should do next. In Vermont. A Kandustin ski resort. Yeah. Boom.

So I'm glad, I'm glad that's how things are going. And you would think that'd be a pretty good investment because like Vermont skiing, sure. I mean. Ski resorts. Boom. So I'm glad. I'm glad that's how things are going. And you would think that'd be a pretty good investment because like for month skiing, sure. I mean, people love this ski. For month is snowy. Makes sense. You know, but, and I'm sure this is going to come as a huge shock.

It didn't take long before his personality started to rub people the wrong way there. Oh, buddy. One of the other investors, I'm used to saying investigators. One of the other investors said he wanted to show that he could run a ski lodge better than people who had been running them all their lives. All of a see, that's a rookie move going in there thinking you can tell people what to do when you haven't been in that business. That's the worst kind of person when they come into your field and try to tell you how to do your job

that you've been doing for the longest fucking time. And they think they can do it better than you. It goes right up your ass. Walk the other way. Walk the other way. Talk sick person. Walk the other way. Get all out of here.

That's what they said to Buddy. And that's what I would say to somebody too. That's what I would say, you know, I'd say, fuck off. Fuck off. With that, it sucks. So when the resort didn't work out, Buddy shifted his attention back to New York, of course, and he just bought an apartment building

on East 84th Street as one does. Imagine just being like, I guess I'll just buy a building, I suppose. I guess since my heavy-and-vest gots didn't turn out, I'll buy a whole fucking building in New York. You know, so he took over every role from operations to screening, to rental applications in this building. Wow.

And it was there that he met Melanie Kane. She was a transplant from Virginia who had just moved to New York in 1973 and her goal was to pursue a modeling career with the Eileen Ford modeling agency. Ooh. Eileen Ford's husband, Jerry, who kind of sounds like a dick to me, recalled with Kane. She was a very pleasant kid, but kind of naive. She had a bit of a weight problem.

Good mouth, good teeth. That was her husband. That was her husband, Eileen Ford's husband, that said that about Melanie Kane. Oh, okay. Not about Eileen. Okay, for a second, I mean, that's still what the fuck. But I was like, oh, like a bit of a...

What a way to remember your wife. Also, a bit of a wait problem. Please look up a picture of Melanie Kane. Yeah, and I just love that it's like, yeah, she had good teeth. Yeah, good mouth, good teeth. Like, you're just good teeth. Good mouth.

Like, good mouth. What does that even mean? I gotta go. But she was way better than Jerry gave her credit for because within less than a year at the agency, Melanie's career was taking off. And if you're looking at her right now, I'm sure you can see why. Yeah. In March of 1974, she actually appeared on the cover of 17 magazine. Oh, which used to be my personal favorite. And her face was seemingly everywhere after that. A writer from 17 wrote,

Everything about Melanie is refreshing. She's the image of everything wholesome, like Kellogg's corn flakes., like not Apple Pie or anything. Everything wholesome, like Kellogg's cornflakes. Well, anyway, what a descriptor the 70s. Imagine being compared to cornflakes. Yeah, that would be strange. A way that I would feel about that. I feel like I'm not really sure what that means.

Like is that an insult or? Cause you think like wholesome like apple pie. That's always like the initial, you know? And no, though that writer could have gone places with that cause she lived in New York, big apple pie. That's the thing, big apple pie. Not Kellogg's cornflips. Yeah.

I guess they are wholesome, I suppose. I guess. So remember Melanie meets buddy at this apartment building and maybe it was her naive a day, but Melanie was almost immediately drawn to Buddy, not something that most people experienced often. Yeah, apparently. He was almost 20 years older than she was.

And he was nothing like the male models that she had dated when she first arrived in New York. To her, he seemed down to Earth. He didn't seem to care too much about his appearance, which I don't really know why that's a good thing. And he had a confidence, she said said she found irresistible. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right.

Within a few months of Melanie appearing on the cover of 17, but he ended up talking her into leaving Eileen Ford and starting a modeling agency with him who had quite literally never been in the business of modeling or running a modeling agency. Wow, here he goes again. but he did it with her. Yeah. And they named the modeling agency, my fair lady. My fair lady. Mm-hmm.

That kind of limits you, doesn't it? It does. Yeah, absolutely. And like, is an assortment of ways. A myriad of ways. Yeah. But unlike his career in horse training, where he'd worked his way up from the bottom,

but he's a foray into the modeling industry was a lot more like his experience with the ski resort. It was the product of overconfidence and spiteful determination. You know, and that's the thing, you can go into things being like the way that you just had to like move your drink to the top of my drink down for this because you can go into that. I'm all for having stupid confidence and spiteful determination. And spiteful determination because I myself am fueled by spiteful determination and stupid confidence.

I don't know that, but I do have the spiteful person. Like I assume I can do anything, and that's the way it is. And, but you gotta go in doing that and like I can do this, but also learning from people who know how to do that. Exactly.

That's the whole point. As you go in and you go, fuck, I can do this. I can learn how to do this. It's not, I can go into this thing I don't know and just suddenly know how to do it. I gotta know how to work. The whole game here is you take lessons from other people and you learn and you grow and you say,

okay, well, once I have all this information, I can be the best at this. Exactly. That's okay. Go in like that. By all means, this clown is going into places where he's never had any experiences at all. And he's not going, okay, I can learn from people and I can really, I can really do well at this and be the best. And become the best.

Yeah, he's just going in being like, no, I know how to do it better. It's like, he's going in thinking he's the best, not wanting to become the best. And that's the difference. Exactly, you have to have the drive to be the best. That's what he is. And he doesn't have the drive, he has the expectation. And there's a difference.

Boom. So have the drive, not the expectation. He had no idea what he was doing. No. One model author told Anthony Hayden guest of her experience with my fair lady. They wanted young fresh faces. They told me they just threw a dart at the map and where it went. One model told author, Anthony Hayden guest of her experiences with my fair lady. They wanted young fresh faces. They told me they just threw a dart at the map and went where it landed. But, but he wasn't really doing anything for us. Yeah, I'm shocked.

Like they just had a magazine full of ladies or like a, a sort of photos on the wall. They threw a dart and said, yeah, that's good. That's what we'll do. Ridiculous. So the fact that my frail lady, honestly managed to survive at all,

was do almost entirely to Melanie Kane, who was still enough of a draw to keep the business afloat, because people wanted her pictures. Oh yeah. Now while she did her best to keep the agency going, buddy kind of abandoned the entire thing, and just switched his attention back to property development, seems to be what he's good at.

That's it. The bandening I mean. Oh, and he seems like he's all right at property development. Yeah, there you go. You know, I don't know. I don't know. He seems fit for that. So in the mid 1970s, he property development. Yeah, there you go. You know, I don't know. I don't know. He seems fit for that.

So in the mid 1970s, he purchased the Park East, a former hospital near New York's Upper West Side, and he planned to develop it into a $3 million co-op. Yeah, I don't really know how that went because things go awry. So the relationship may have started as a business matter, but it didn't take long before Melanie and Buddy were involved romantically. I'm sure you saw that coming.

But unfortunately, as he had already proven with his marriage, women were just another thing for Buddy to collect. And just like things had unfolded with his wife, the first few years of Melanie and Buddy's relationship were good, but after a while, he became very controlling and very overbearing. Before long, Melanie was forbidden from having any male friends at all, and buddy controlled or at the very least heavily influenced how she spent her time when she was away from him.

Like he had control over everything. That's bad news bears. Now, he, on the other hand, had no interest in restraining his relationship with other women. And Aquaman said, it's tremendous the power he felt. He's sitting in Nicholas with four girls, nine girls, 13 girls. And he's telling her, you can't have male friends.

A single male friend, but I can set up table with 13 women. It's so hard. I feel so bad. Because like, obviously, she was in a position where she just didn't see it. And she's young and he's this older Yeah, like what she thinks is Charm now like their business partners

And she's probably signed to some kind of contract and it's easy to see in hindsight how red flaggy he is But it's not easy when you're in it. Mm-hmm exactly Now so in just a few years of moving to New York to start her life, the things that had been so exciting for Melanie started to feel like a burden. After a few years her relationship with Buddy was deteriorating rapidly, and despite her success modeling just wasn't really filling her cup anymore. But still, when she walked into the all-Irland bar in the late 1970s, Melanie wasn't planning to make any major life changes.

And then she met Jack Tupper. Oh. So Melanie actually had met Jack a couple times before, the year before, when an acquaintance of buddies had brought him to a party at Queens, but she didn't really get to know him like that well. Okay. Now Jack had grown up in New York, and a few years earlier, he had moved into a building that buddy owned in Queens near the All Ireland, which Jack was managing at the time. Okay. As far as Melanie could tell, Jack was everything that buddy was not. He was in good shape.

He dressed nicely. He was friendly. He was charming. When he wasn't running the All-Irland, he volunteered at a sports program for underprivileged youth in Queens. Stop. Yep. He was a prize. He sounds delightful.

Jack's dad later told reporters there was no disgrace on him. He was a wonderful boy, a good boy. Oh. Jack. Jack forever. Oh, no. It's like the Titanic. And Melanie and Jack's relationship, it started innocently enough.

They made plans to go jogging together in the park. She just wanted a friend. But things changed pretty quickly after just a few days as jogging partners when Melanie admitted that she had a crush on Jack. I mean, who wouldn't? He sounds delightful. He's adorable. And he's a great guy. He's a good catch.

Yeah. So eventually, dates to go jogging started to include dinner afterwards and just little reasons to stay and hang out longer than they needed to. So eventually dates to go jogging started to, started to include dinner afterwards and just little reasons to stay and hang out longer than they needed to. Oh my god, I just, I'm like, cut that other asshole loose. Snip. Enjoy this. Clip.

Clip. Clip. But when we went to Duranda's house, yeah, that was crazy as well. But Melanie, she still wasn't ready to enter a relationship with Buddy. A friend of her said, apparently she'd been contemplating breaking up with Buddy, but it was hard. She'd been with him five years, and they were in business together. That's hard. Five years is a long time. It is. It's easy to say from, you know, over here, to going, kind of below sunny. And then I'm like, I stayed in a relationship,

far past its fucking expiration date. And imagine if you had been by the time I got out of there. Oh, okay. I was pretty even rotten. It was growing penicillin. It was so moldy. It was bad. But, and then imagine being in business with that person and trying to leave them. No, I don't.

That's what I think of that. That's not good. Yeah, no, it's hard. So instead, Melanie and Jack carried on in secret, hoping that buddy would never question why their jogging dates kept getting longer and longer and more frequent. But it's like, wanna be the chemical guys,

you can't be together like this. Exactly. Well, for a while it worked, but he was so self-absorbed that he didn't actually seem to notice when Melanie wasn't around. It's beneficial in that way. Yeah.

And so he didn't notice when she wasn't around as often as she typically had been. So soon these dates weren't just a few hours longer, but a few days longer. Ooh. And within weeks of making plans to go jogging for the very first time, Jack took Melanie on a weekend trip to visit his sister and her husband, who was an FBI agent stationed in Puerto Rico.

Days? They just went to Puerto Rico for the weekend. Whoa, look at these two. I know. I love them. I know. I'm rooting for it. I know that some might love them. I know. I'm rooting for it. I know that some might say it's wrong, but I'm rooting for it. Some might say it's wrong, but it's right. It's right.

No, you just know this. It seems like it would be a better situation. You just want it to work out. Yeah, and it's complex. It's many layers, you know? It is. So, buddy, you might not have noticed a few extra hours of Melanie's absence, but a long weekend away

was something entirely different. So when Melanie didn't return on Friday night and was still absent the next morning, buddy knew that she was with Jack. Yeah, he called Melanie's mom, who confirmed that she went away for the weekend, but wouldn't give buddy any more information than that, like a good mom. So Buddy then proceeded to call literally everyone he could think of that might have the number for Jack's sister in Puerto Rico, which is where he correctly assumed the two had gone. Oh, man.

Yeah. So when Jack and Melanie got back from Puerto Rico, they hadn't even left the airport before they learned that Buddy had been harassing their friends and family all weekend long. Eek. Yeah. They were terrified of the consequences of having been found out. So they booked a $90 suite at the Drake, which is an upscale hotel on Park Ave.

To him. They were like, we can not go back. We can not do that. Now, when Melanie finally did call buddy the next day, she was surprised to find that rather than anger, he seemed apologetic genuinely and seemed like he wanted to talk. Melanie told Anthony Hayden and Guest, I realized I owed him something,

yet all this time I had wanted to talk to him, and he had never had the time, but now I figured, okay, let's settle up this whole business. This is, this feels suspicious to me. It does. So the next night, Melanie ended up meeting Buddy for a drink at Sign of the Dove, which was one of his favorite restaurants and queens. And the apologetic appeasing tone that he had just a day earlier was gone. He was back to his old, very offensive self.

Yeah. He was accusing Melanie of being on drugs because that was the only excuse he could think of that for her not returning home to him. Ah! Yeah, I could think of a few more. I could too, such as he's an asshole. Yeah. Now, when it was clear that his attempts to bait her

were not working, he came right out and said, you can't leave me. You're my wife. She's not, though. She was not in fact, just why. She was like, I was like, even less I missed a giant portion of the story, that is not true, incorrect.

Not true. So Melanie pushed back, telling Buddy that they weren't married, which is when Buddy's voice took on a more desperate tone. He told her, I'm going to get you back no matter what. I'll beg for you, or I'll wait for you. I don't care,

but no matter what, I'm going to get you back. That's terrifying and horrifying. And I want to take her hand and just run away with her. It's a far far way. OK. Well, then he turned to Jack who was actually in the restaurant monitoring the conversation from his seat at the bar. And he said, he looked at Jack and he said, you want a restaurant?

I'll buy you a restaurant. Just give me Melanie back for 24 hours. What the fuck? 24 hours? I'd immediately be like, hours. What the fuck 24 hours? I'd immediately be like, we are leaving the country. Like we are leaving like an end, holy shit. Insane. That's terrifying.

Like 24 hours, what the fuck does that mean? Exactly. My guy. It's so bizarre. Ew. So Jack told Buddy that it wasn't his decision to make. It was Melanie's. See?

Look at Jack. A stand like that. Like she's her own woman. guy. She's her own woman. Yeah. She makes her own decisions. I'm not saying anything. Exactly. And then he and Melanie got up to leave.

And before walking out of the restaurant, Melanie looked at Buddy and said, let's be friends, Buddy. I'll always be your friend. Oh, and look at Melanie trying to be several. Deescalate. Yeah, she's trying to deescalate. She's doing all the right things. So a few days later, Melanie had moved her things

out of Buddy's apartment, and a move almost identical to the one that Buddy's father had made 40 years earlier. Melanie and Jack took an apartment a few doors down from Buddy. Oh, come on. And it's Queen's apartment building. Oh, no. Yeah.

So away from Buddy, new opportunities did seem possible for Melanie. And most importantly, she was finally with a man that appreciated her. She talked about her relationship with Jack years later and said, it was a very loving relationship. We were going to spend a loving life together. Oh, that hurts my heart, right? So meanwhile, Buddy seemed to alternate between continuing to pursue Melanie and accepting that their relationship had come to an end.

And the weeks that followed, he would spend days calling and harassing her, and then sending messages apologizing for the verbal abuse. Oh, that's scary. On July 29th, he wrote to her, Dear Melon, sorry for the past week and for the abuse I've put you through for the past five years, you always hurt the one you love. Jack is a good guy and will love you and be honest with you, you're right. I would always be a bum. I mean, that seems yeah. That seems self-aware.

That really seems self-aware. But then he kept trying to buy off Jack Tupper with offers of cash and property. Jesus. Jack told Melanie one afternoon, this guy's such an asshole. He offered me $100,000 to leave town and to buy a restaurant. What the fuck, like what?

So by mid-summer, buddy's erratic behavior and constant presence in the shared spaces of the building had become a little too much for Melanie and Jack to bear. And they decided it was time to find a new apartment far, far away from buddy. So Melanie spent the first week of August 1978 looking at apartments and eventually she found what she thought was the perfect one for them on 52nd Street.

Here you go. Now in the days leading up to the signing of the new lease, Buddy's pleased for Melanie to come back to him grew way more desperate and way more unrealistic. On July 31st, he confronted her in the hallway of the apartment and he made yet another attempt to get her back. He yelled to her, can't you see what your leaving is doing to me? And then he made this outrageous promise to marry her and start a family yelling to her, I will get you pregnant so fast. We will have six kids, six kids, isn't that proof? I have very little to say about that. I just said insert gif of the what lady here.

That's honestly how I feel, right? Like, I can't imagine somebody trying to get you back I mean, like I will get you pregnant so fast, so fast. It looks like six kids. That's what, like six kids. That's what, like that six kids. That's vaguely threatening. Like I don't, yeah, that's just a lot. Right away.

And to be like, I'll do it so fast, I will get you pregnant. And it's like, what? What? What? You make that sound scary. And I don't want to do that. And I'm sorry, but like six kids all at once

is not a good bargaining tool. No. I'd be like, that's a good way to don't get me back. Yeah, I'm like, damn, all right. Wild. What a bargaining chip he was using. I mean, I guess, I guess throw all your cards on the table. That's what you got.

He's scary. So the more she resisted and politely rejected him, the more and more rambling and incoherent buddies attempts to bargain got clearly. Melanie kept trying to politely rebuff him, like trying to spare his feelings, but at this point she broke and she shouted to him, I don't love you anymore,

and not only don't I love you anymore, I don't even like you, I don't like the way you lie and treat people, I just don't respect you anymore. Ooh, like drop. Yeah, but, because it's all true. It is, she's like telling him. I don't like who you are as a person.

You're terrible. And I think you need to hear like instead of yelling at me that you can get me pregnant at warp speed. Like you need to hear that I don't like you. I don't like you. I don't want to be pregnant with you. And I don't want to be near you. I don't want this. So this statement, this blunt statement, not seem to register with Buddy, and he just kept rambling and rambling and making outrageous declarations of love until Melanie finally just walked away more certain than ever that the only way to move on would be to get as far away from Buddy as humanly possible. Yeah, that's what it seems. So later, when she went to get the last of her belongings from Buddy, she learned the true depth of his depression and his desperation to get her back. He had cut out stickers with masking tape

and written declarations of love on them and then stuck all of them to all of her clothing and personal items. She said, I would look at my underpants and there would be a sticker. I love you. I love you, Melanie. Then I'd open my desk and there would be more stickers. Oh, this is like really scary. It's really escalating. She lost it. So in the morning of August 6th, Melanie got up early, kissed Jack goodbye, and headed over to the new apartment, where she planned to meet the new landlord and sign the lease.

So thinking nothing really of it, she went downstairs and she talked to some of the models and an apartment on the first floor. But when she came back up a short time later, Jack still hadn't returned. And she was like, okay, that's kind of weird. But she tried to busy herself with some chore, she ran some errands. But the longer Jack was away, the more concerned she became. There wasn't really any evidence of anything bad having happened in their apartment, but the more she looked around, the more she noticed things seemed a little off.

Jack wasn't home, but his boots and his running shoes were still on the floor in the bedroom. His address book and his gold pen, which he took with him almost everywhere, was also still on the table. And that just was weird to her. So she started calling around to Jack's friends, but none of them had seen or heard from him that day.

So she's getting more and more concerned now. So she walks down to the All-Ireland, the bar that he manages, and no one there had seen or heard from him either. Oh, no. So now she's desperate, and she walks back up to the apartment building and to Buddy's apartment and she goes in without even knocking. And inside Buddy's apartment was a fucking wreck. There were shattered pieces of mirror all over the floor, the pillows from the bed and the sofa were strewn all about, and most curious, the rug appeared to have been pulled up and removed. Oh, no.

And there were people just milling about the apartment, who Melanie assumed were just some workers from Buddy's buildings on the Upper West Side. And then Buddy himself appeared in the doorway and screamed, Get out! I don't want to see you! What? Nearly chasing Melanie from the apartment and slamming the door. What the fuck? So like after he's been desperately trying to get back

with her, he's like, get the fuck out of here. I don't want to see him. All he wants is to see her and be near her. And now he's like, get out. Yeah, no, this would terrify me. So Melanie's shaken. So she calls one of Jack's friends and is like, can you come over

and just help me try to find Jack? And now the man arrived and they went back to Buddy's apartment once he got there and they knocked on the door. And this time Buddy was completely collected and just said, oh yeah, I haven't seen Jack. What the fuck? He let them in, he let them look around the apartment. And now there didn't seem to be any outward signs of a struggle or a fight. But it was clear that someone had gone to great lengths

to clean the apartment, and it even looked like somebody had washed the tile floor in the hallway of the apartment building. What? So out of ideas, and now thoroughly alarmed, Melanie finally called the police a little after 8 p.m. that night, and an officer was dispatched to the apartment. Now, unbeknownst to Melanie, a few hours earlier, around 4 p.m., somebody went into a fire department in North Bronx to report a fire in the vacant lawn across the street. The person that reported the fire said they saw three men setting what appeared to be

a large wooden crate on fire. And then they drove away in a large yellow Cadillac with the license plate number 777GHI. Okay. So firefighters go to that scene and they find this oily black smoke pouring from what they described as, quote, a trunk on a heap of garbage surrounded

by a mound of garbage. Oh, no. No. Before they had even put the fire out, they could see a man's legs protruding from the crate. And after extinguishing the fire, they pride-open the hinges on the box, and they discovered the badly brutalized body of Jack Tupper.

No! A firefighter later told reporters, the head was all matted, but you could see the bullet holes. Oh my God. When you find out what happened to Jack Tupper, Buddy is not even a human. He is...

Oh no. He's worse than a monster. I don't even know the word to describe what he is. Oh God. But he got his. Because firefighters reported the discovery to the nearest police precinct, and the information went out on the radio including the license plate number that had been provided by the resident who initially reported the fire. Thank God that person thought of it. Now,

listen, remember to this. The universe is a beautiful bitch. So at the same time, Buddy Jacobson was stuck in a traffic jam on the Tribal O'Bridge, and it just so happened that there was a patrol car directly behind him. Oh, shut up. Yep. So when the driver of the patrol car heard the report of the body come over the radio, he happened to glance down at the license plate of the yellow Cadillac in front of him. Oh my God, I love it. And to his astonishment, he realized it was a match for the suspects that set the fire

to the crate containing the body. Imagine being that patrol officer, I'm just like, Jackpot. How serendipitous the universe girl. So Buddy Jacobson was immediately arrested and became the number one suspect in the murder of Jack Tupper. Oh man. And that. Poor Jack.

I know. Is where we're going to rent part one. Oh. But we're going to cover a good amount in part two. Things get a little crazy. Some people go to prison. Some people escape from prison. Oh. Some people get thrown back at prison.

Damn. It's wild. All right, I'm here. You hear for it? I'm here for it. But it's really also very sad when you hear a raccoon and poor Melanie. And poor Melanie.

Oh. Because all she wanted to do was just spend the rest of her life with him. Yeah, she just wanted to start her life with a good guy. And he was, like his dad said, he was like a wonderful boy, a good boy. A wonderful boy. Just like volunteering with underprivileged youth. Break my hat. And then there's buddy who's just been an asshole

literally since he came out the womb with a terrible mustache that you can't trust. His mustache. You can't trust it. Is one of the most upsetting things I have ever seen in my life? Fuck that mustache. And do you see a picture of Jack?

Yeah, he's adorable. He's adorable and has the kindest eyes that I have ever seen in my life. Fuck that most of. And do you see a picture of Jack? Yeah, he's adorable. He's adorable and has the kindest eyes that I've ever seen. Oh, so we hope that you keep listening for Pat too. And we hope you keep it weird. But I'm so weird as Buddy because he, like I said, was an asshole since he came out of the womb and you really don't want to keep it that weird. It's fine to be competitive, but don't be as competitive as Buddy.

And definitely don't stick stickers all over somebody's things when they're trying to move out of your place. Have drive, don't have expectation. Boom! free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.