Morbid - Episode 5: Ted Bundy Part 1

Episode Date: May 29, 2018

Theodore Robert Bundy confessed to the brutal slayings of 36 female coeds. Experts believe his tally could climb into the 100s. Ted stands high above the rest of his kind as the most infamous and the most brutal. To this day, his charm and methods have been unmatched. Heard of a little film called "Silence of the Lambs"? Buffalo Bill's penchant for preying on the kindness of his female victims and utilizing a fake arm cast to up the pathetic quotient was ripped directly from Mr. Bundy's modus operandi. Part 1 of this bananas tale will set it up for a truly terrifying crescendo. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Like this road, I just said that the Hawkins' curls head was severed and taken up the road 25-50 yards and buried in a location of about 10 yards west of the road on a rocky hillside China Probably you've found the damage to the head the jaw particular problem broken But if you found that you would know who it was I'm just gonna start it. I'm just gonna start recording. Fuck. I know. It's really hot right now I'm so fucking hot. And oh, I realize. Oh, the creaky ass.

Yeah, did you hear it in the last episode? I could hear myself creaking in the rocking chair that I'm sitting in a couple of times in the last episode. That's when you know you're old. Sorry about it. We were just rocking. I just rockin' in a rock. I'm an arachliner and you're an arachking chair.

Did we just put this together? I know. Wow. Wow. She is. We need better, better podcast stuff. Yeah. Literally.

Well anyways, we're in a really hot laundry room right now. Fuck it so hot. I'm sweating my ass off. Legitimately. And I don't really sweat that much in like normal life like How about the story you just told me though? I sweat so much during autopsy's that I Like sweat through my scrubs and it looks like I went swimming for anyone who's listening She doesn't just perform random autopsy. She is indeed an autopsy technician. I get paid for a job

Yeah, it's okay. Everything checks out. Hair dresser, autopsy technician. And I sweat a lot. Well, I prefer for a topsy. I don't sweat a lot while I do hair. That'd be so fucking nasty. Oh, sorry. I got a little sweat on your hair. I don't know why I only sweat during autopsy's and hot yoga. Those are the only two. Hot yoga makes sense. Hot yoga gets acceptable,. I don't know why I only sweat during autopsies and hot yoga. Those are the only two. Hot yoga makes sense. Hot yoga is acceptable but I don't know if it's acceptable during an autopsie but I do it. I just don't know about your life. I do it. So, do it up girl. Someone's got to deal. But I did read this thing where this lady, of course I don't have any

like proper actual info. But it's still crazy and you can go on the Google machine and go see more about it if you want to Google machine get on that Google machine this lady Killed her Lava lava and then served his remains up to the neighborhood at a barbecue Can you imagine if you were the victim of accidental cannibalism? No. Fuck that. Like that's...

Okay. Whatever. You're gonna be a murderer and you're gonna be an awful human being. Don't make everybody else eat your bullshit. Yeah, like if you're gonna make a burger out of the guy, you eat the burger, don't get to someone else. That's sick and twisted in a whole different way. And then I'm sitting there and I'm like,

what if kids ate burgers or something? What if kids were at that? I mean, like, damn, I wish I had more information about this because it's really fucked up. Cannibalism is like truly something. Yeah. When we get to Jeffrey Dahmer, we're going to talk all about that. Wolf. But we're going to do two, like, pretty big names back to back.

The sweet and next week. The sweet and next week. Well, two weeks from now. Yeah. Because I want to tell you why. I'm gonna be on vacation. And she's going on a cruise. Whoooo! Nobody cares. I bet. Whatever. Just get ready. So that's why this week we're doing

Ted Bundy. Because that's her favorite serial killer, a boy Ted Bundy. And there's so much information about Ted Bundy and he was so damn busy that we're gonna split him into two parts. So enjoy two parts of this. Yeah, so you're gonna get two episodes this week to make up for the fact that we are not giving you one next week.

I'm so sweaty. Cause we're so awesome. It's so fucking hot in here. We're painting a really beautiful picture. Like a fucking sauna here. Just two sweaty assholes sitting on a walking chair and a required room. In a laundry room.

Wow, that sounds elegant. The most glamorous. So chic. So chic. I've never felt chic. I've never felt chic I've never felt chic in my life but yeah I guess we should get to it because we get a lot to cover bra bra that's how Ashley gets things going now she sounds like because I feel like every rap song now someone's doing that on the background and then I

find myself doing it throughout the day. Yeah. Like I walk into the break room sometimes and I'm like, blah, blah, blah. Everybody's like, what the fuck? I love that that's now your like, let's get going. It's like I don't say hello anymore. No, I love it. I'm glad. I can keep it in my life.

I will. I'll keep it to a minimum so we don't get sick of it too quick. Yeah, we don't want to get too sick of it. But without further ado, Elena's going to take the reins on this one. So, let get too sick of it. But without further ado, Alina's gonna take the reins on this one. So, we'll just jump into it. Theodore Robert Bundy was born on November 24th, 1946 in Burlington, Vermont.

And Puppa was born in 1946. He was born in 1946. I like to like, figure out that. Yeah. You like to connect Hanna's monsters back to our family. Yeah. I love that. I mean to you. I love that about you. Thank you. Never change. I will. I haven't. Now, he wasn't born Theodore Robert Bundy. He was born Theodore Robert Cowell. cowl. And his entrance into the world was not exactly, you know, by the book. Not easy breezy or beautiful. Not at all. None of those things. His mother, Eleanor Louise cowl, was an unwed teenage mother. And at the time, that was not okay.

Not acceptable. Nobody was giving you your own MTV show yeah the late 40s was yeah a time like teen she was teen mom OG that was my favorite thing you've ever said anybody that knows me knows how much I fucking love the teen mom franchise and you making that joke just like just connected. So what if I was our connection? Okay, we just bonded. One more time. I'm sweaty and I love you. I'm sweaty and I love you. Can we put that on a t-shirt? Yes, I'm sweaty and I love you.

I wouldn't wear that. I would wear that 10 times a day. Who else would wear that? Raise your hand. Like and subscribe if you would wear that. I'm sweaty and I love you. So as a result of this really unfortunate circumstance, you found herself in. Her parents did what any parents would do in their teenage daughter gets pregnant out of

wedlock. They sent her to the Elizabeth Lund home for unwed mothers in Vermont. Which I bet I need to know that existed. Tell, like imagine that being a thing still. Yeah, it's literally a home for unwed mothers. Like that's so bizarre. Do you think that they're dicks there? You know how like sometimes people are dicks

and orphanages, they probably treat you like shit. Oh, for sure. You're probably shamed. I'm sure there's a religious aspect to it that makes you feel like you're going to hell. Yeah, I'm sure it's awful. Wolf. So that whole thing was to avoid the shame that the parents might feel

because you know what I just thought. I sort of laughed. I think she walked in to the to their on day one and she was just like I'm here. Bra, bra, bra. I can't think about it. She popped out a little bungee and then it will sound real bad from that. That's no good. That's where he came from. That sound birthed a bunny. No. No, that sound is loving. Yeah. But so this whole thing was so her parents and family could avoid shame.

So she was already coming from like a super nurturing and support of gene pool. Totally. So that was good. We've already started off really good. support of Jean Paul. Totally. So that that was good. We've already started off really good. On Ted's official birth certificate, Eleanor listed Air Force veteran and salesman Lloyd Marshall as his father. But then she later claimed that a Navy sailor by the name of Jack Worthington was actually the father. Now Lloyd Marshall was like nah I'm Like, I'm also with that. He didn't want anything to do with that. Jack Worthington doesn't exist as far as anybody can tell. That's kind of spooky. Yeah, like authorities looked into it.

No one in the Navy at the time was named Jack Worthington or could have been this person. So neither one of these dudes wanted anything to do with Ted. So that's a bummer. When Eleanor was allowed to return to her parents home in Philadelphia after she had her baby, she brought newborn Ted with her. And the arrangement was going to be such

that Ted was told his grandparents were his parents, and Eleanor was actually his older sister. So that's where he'd go with. So that's where he'd go with. The Angie's list you know and trust is now Angie, and we're so much more than just a list. We still connect you with top local pros and show you ratings and reviews, but now we also let you compare up front prices on hundreds of projects and book a service instantly.

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Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder app So he found that out eventually. Yeah, he did and The grandparents actually pretended to adopt Ted from an orphanage. That was the story they told everybody Oh, yeah, so that's how they kind of explained it. Well, how else would you explain that? Exactly. And if you're hiding it, eventually find this out.

But you know who else had this exact same situation? Who? Jack Nicholson. Oh. And he turned out like, OK. Wow. Like he probably, he has an Oscar, right? Probably.

Maybe two. Yeah, he might have six. Who knows? He's got something. He's done some stuff. He's been some places. He's done some stuff. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he has a star on the walk-up fan. There's no way he doesn't. No he definitely does. I'm not impressive. So like you could have gone that way. Right. Yeah. I mean like let's not blame this. So most researchers of this case and biographers claim that Ted's cousin was the one who outed this information to him Oh, that's shitty. That's an older cousin thing to do right?

I guess they like relentlessly teased him about being a bastard Which is awesome and they then showed his birth certificate to him how the five I don't know if I believe this is just one story, but yeah, yeah Well, in either way like this it's an intense thing for a kid to understand but like you can get through it. Also don't murder people so far you know not too crazy. So this wouldn't be a super good basis for starting out but there were also very persistent reports and rumors. They're unsubstantiated completely. But they're still there.

They're still some meat to them. That Samuel Cowell, which was Ted's grandfather, was actually his father. Oh, shit. So that would mean that he would be the product of incestuous rape between Elinor and this guy. And maybe that's why she kept saying, like, no, this is the dad, no, this is the dad. My dad's not the dad. And this, obviously would be awful. But then again, it's not completely proven

or confirmed or anything, but there's like, a lot of somewhere. This has come up a lot. And his grandfather was in exactly like this suite. Like, let me give you a caramel candy kind of grandfather. Right. He was said to be abusive, domineering, bigoted, and just like a bully. He just wasn't a good guy. Awesome. There are reports by historians who study this case. That's Samuel once

through Eleanor's sister, whose Ted's aunt, down a flight of stairs for oversleeping one morning. Papa does get mad when I oversleep, but he's never thrown me down a flight of stairs. He's always stopped just short of flue. Yes, correct. Very correct. But he's also been known to beat and abuse dogs. Oh, fuck anybody that does that.

He took a neighbor's cat by the tail and swung it around his head and abuse dogs. Oh fuck anybody that does not. He took a neighbor's cat by the tail and swung it around his head and threw it. I heard that and that's not funny. That's not funny. The image is kind of funny, but like the act is not funny at all. No that is horrible. So yeah he's not off and he was also said to have like a pretty like intense taste for pornography Collection and who knows if Ted stumbled upon this imagine if that's how you went down in history Like that's what people knew you for you through cats beat dogs and loved Lord wow Throw dogs I hate cats, but I love me some porn. Like ew.

Oh no, that's a good shirt too. I don't know if I would wear that. It's a good shirt for like a sociopath. In quotes. In quotes. Uh, Batman, I'm just kidding. Not a Batman. Well an interesting thing is about the pornography part of this is that later, like right before Ted,

because spoiler alert, Ted Bundy was executed, in case you were really hanging on to a thread here. If you didn't know that already. You know what now. Right before he was executed, he started blaming everything on porn. Because it was just his last picture. I feel like everyone does that. I mean, I feel like that's just like the Hail Mary throw you in. It's like I was abused or porn. Yeah, I was abused or porn or both.

But it's kind of bullshit. So Ted also told his former friend who is the famous crime writer and rule. We'll talk about her later. He told her once that he looked up to his grandfather as a role model. So he loved throwing cats and solid dogs and weird porn. Obviously being married to Samuel Cowell was probably not like you know great or all time or super awesome romantic like Samuel who throws cats. He was probably not awesome as a husband

His Ted's grandmother actually is reported to have been so depressed All the time that she received electric shock treatment like wow for to cure depression, which was it was a super controversial Obviously treatment back in the day, but people did it. Oh, and it's kind of like the last resort. So to review, Ted was lied to about his entire parental situation. His grandfather was an abusive asshole, and his grandmother was losing her mind to be a shock treatment therapy. Fuck. So not the worst. How was his upbringing we've heard so far, but not awesome.

I guess his mother sister was Eleanor. Like, from what I've heard him talk about it, he said that they did develop a really stipulator in life when he found out. But he also said that she was very withholding. He didn't feel like he could talk about her to her with about like deep things like sex and Feelings and like all this stuff, but she was probably shamed for that like when she was yeah, and she did it like yeah, it was such a weird situation Now he wasn't really like a particularly evil child. He wasn't like a particularly goofy happy one either He was just in the middle. Yeah, he wasn't nothing was really crazy about him

But there is one infamous story about him. Dun dun dun. At three years old, he collected a ton of kitchen knives together and laid them all around his aunt as she slept in bed. He was three when that happened. I knew that happened. I used to know he was three years old.

And when she woke up to see the shit show around her, little Ted was sitting on the end of the bed laughing hysterically. Wow. Your kids are almost there. And if they did that to me, I would never fucking walk my foot into this house again. Like that's a moment. That's a moment you're gonna remember.

So like not wholesome, not awesome. Pictureing that is wild. Right? Like just little Ted Bundy. Ah ha. Nibes. No thank you. Like what do you even do? What do you even say to that? Like just a little head, Bundy. Ah ha, knives. Thank you. What do you even do?

What do you even say to that? Like don't do that. I don't even have a coordination for that at 10 years old. That's impressive. I don't know. A nyancle. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill?

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fuck you, fuck you, fuck you and you. I think it seems like he was the kind of kid who a later grew up to be the kind of adult that didn't like to share anything, really. Those adults are the worst, yeah, they are. He was not into this new family dynamic and he was so into material things. That was one of the things that everybody said about him when he was little.

Then he was very obsessed with how he looked. He was very obsessed with portraying a certain way about him. And he was kind of ashamed that his new stepfather was just, he was either a hospital cook or a military cook. I found both. Oh, and he wanted him to be something cooler. He was like ashamed by it.

Oh. What's it's like, dude? Well, you're gripping through cats. Exactly. And he's your role model. Cool. So, out of that, he did get his famous moniker, Ted Bundy. So, in the early years of school, according to his classmates, Ted was super normal. He was good looking, popular, social. He did well academically. When he entered the high school years, things started to become a little less easy for him. He was still lucky enough that he was good looking and when you're good looking, things do come easier to you.

I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Even a little bit true. I wouldn't know.

But people get drawn to you. To me? When you're good. Oh, well they do. People are drawn to you too. I don't know but like when you're it's just you have a way about you Well, thanks. You're welcome. That was so nice see this a nice thing. It's just so fucking hot in here It is it's really hot, but you have a glow about you. I'm just gonna keep complimenting you You're really struck and my you go. I really am any sliterly sleeping on the floor She has no idea. We're really struck at me. You go here. I really am. Annie's literally sleeping on the floor. She has no idea. We're really entertaining in here now. So, uh, yeah, so when you got into high school, his friends from those days said that he wasn't

as popular as he was in like junior high and below that, but like, he was there. Like, he wasn't, yeah, he wasn't like the bottom of the bottom or the top of the top. Yeah, but he became a little more withdrawn and like a little awkward in social situations. I think he also had a stutter sometimes, which like kind of right made him nervous. So despite this weird awkward phase he had, he did enter college at the University of Washington in 1967. There is when he met and became enamored with a very special lady. Who you kind of look like? Oh, that's what I don't know how to feel about that, but. You love Ted Bundy. I both love that and I'm frightened by that. Well, he's dead now. It's true,

he is. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. He's still dead. He's still dead. He's still very dead. Yeah, he not coming back. No way. Her name was Stephanie Brooks. That is not her real name. Nobody knows her real name. I wouldn't want anyone to know my name. I kind of understand it. Because this is one of those things where they kind of blame the woman who rejected him every time. Which is kind of bullshit. She was a little older than him and she came from a super wealthy family. I think like a of bullshit. She was a little older than him, and she came from a super wealthy family, I think like a political family. She wore her hair dark, straight,

and parted down the middle, which seems like an insignificant detail. It's not. It remains pretty relevant throughout this whole thing. He was, he was, and this is important because he's so concerned with material things and wealth and status that she was kind of like the ideal.

The golden chicken. Beautiful, she was smart and she was wealthy and powerful. So they dated for a while, but then Stephanie was the one who broke up with Ted when she graduated in 1968. The reasoning was she thought he was kind of immature and that he lacked direction. So you know you're kind of immature, you lack direction, I'm good, I'm graduating, I'm going to break up with you. Which is perfectly acceptable. You can break up with someone. You can reject someone and it's not your fault if they go murder people. So don't blame yourself. Just go into the witness protection for everyone. And everybody needs to stop blaming the women in these situations. Like this recent school shooter thing, all the headlines are

saying like, the one of the first victims was a girl who rejected the shooter and made him feel bad And it's like so this little boy this little asshole was taught that he deserves Everything he wants and if not he's gonna kill everyone. He's not he's got to go on a murder spree Like fuck off you man if this girl doesn't want to date you move the fuck on. It's not her fault Right, I hate that and how like how dare you put that on the person? Yeah. And that's the narrative that gets spined a lot. Every time.

Because even with the golden state killer. Bonnie? Oh, Bonnie. Everybody's like, oh, he was there. He was there. He must have been Bonnie's fault. And it's like, no, no. He's just a dick.

It's the assholes fault. That's who it is. So we're not upset about that or anything. And we're in a mess. I I'm gonna get off my soapbox real quick. So Ted was devastated by this breakup because she was like everything he wanted. Exactly and according to him, like he was madly in love with her and he was, she was his first true love, if he could even feel love. That's a bummer. Yeah. And his own brother, one of his half brothers, there, said that he was noticeably depressed and that he had always been really in control of his emotions and that he

was very clear. Oh, clearly out of control afterwards. Yeah. And he even dropped out of college. That's right. That's right. After this. So this is definitely when things changed, but again, stop spinning the narrative that it was somehow due to Stephanie. Unfortunately, it does become clear that he chooses his victims based on Stephanie's physical characteristics, the long brown hair parted in the middle. Do you think that was an intentional thing or do you think he was just like a rage set off inside him that he couldn't control? No. I mean, he killed more than 30 women. They all looked almost identical. Oh, I'd say that.

So, yeah. If it was like three people that he killed, they'd be like, maybe it's just a coincidence. The 30 is a panic. Just making that decision is so wild. Well, he was just really angry at the rejection. I think that was just a butt hurt little bitch. Good name.

But hurt little bitch. Jagged little bitch. Butt hurt little bitch. Butt hurt little bitch. Good name. But her little bit jagged little bit, but a little bit evil onion. So this is also when Ted decided to become the ultimate creep and start a long con that was directed solely at revenge against Stephanie for literally just breaking up with him. So talk about the most fragile of egos. And when I say he started a long con, he literally molded his entire life around getting one moment of revenge. Wow. Yeah. And we'll see how this goes. So it was around this time that Ted decided to reenter college at the University of Washington and he majored in psychology. This should be noted because he didn't just arbitrarily choose that major.

It kind of becomes clear that he chose it as a method to better understand how to like manipulate people. And to understand the deepest parts of the human psyche and what works to get people to trust you, all that craziness that he uses to lure his victims basically. So he was playing the con and this was a huge part of it. He ends up doing really well this time. He becomes an honor student. Because he's got a reason.

Yeah, and he does well socially. He's dedicated. He just kind of really turns it around. And this is also when he threw himself into politics. So in case you couldn't already predict this, he was a very staunch Republican. And in 1968, he worked for Seattle Office of Nelson Rockefeller's presidential campaign and attended the Republican National Convention in Miami. That's kind of crazy. After this, he worked for the chairman of the Washington

Republican Party, who referred to him as, quote, a believer in the system. So he was basically a typical Republican who desired being part of the elite and kind of frowned upon the idea of distribution of wealth. In a time where a lot of men and women were sporting the long hair and the hippie thing, Ted was super clean cut and conservative. Not about it. He was the typical conservative.

During this time, he did end up beginning and being involved with a significant relationship with a woman who he didn't end up murdering. He did a woman name Liz. Now, I think that her alias that she uses is Liz Kendall. I do know her real name, but I don't think she likes it used places, so I'm not going to say it on here. If you want to find it, you'll find it. I just don't think she likes it used places, so I'm not gonna say it on here. If you want to find it, you'll find it

I just don't think it's really cool. So I'm just gonna call it Liz. Liz. She had a three-year-old daughter and they dated for five years. I didn't know she had a daughter. Yeah, that's crazy. And apparently he was fine with the daughter, so. Well, like he wasn't. Kill the kids.

He was. He killed 12 year olds. Oh, shit! Yeah. So, you'll hear that later. But so they did it for five years and later Liz would recall that they're definitely were some warning signs that she kind of brushed off. Right. Some like really big warning signs. Yeah. There were some weird things going on. In 1973, Ted was accepted to the University of Utah Law School. So he was doing really well. It looked like he was going to become like a prominent lawyer

or a politician or both. I mean, if he just went with this and wasn't interested. He would have been something. He probably could have been something at least successful. Yeah, maybe not great, but this is when he met back up with Stephanie again. Oh God and He presented the new and improved head who had now changed himself completely wasn't immature anymore Did lack direction and she fell for it hook line and sinker

He began seeing her again while he was still in a relationship with Liz Oh neither one knew about the other one. So he was a pig on top of being a serial rapist and murder. Great. Once he had Stephanie, he really, really reeled her in. They started talking about getting married. Like they got serious. Shit went down.

This is so mean. He... I'm pretty sure he ended up proposing to her. And once she said yes, he cut her off completely. He basically... He ghosted her! And this whole long con? Like, everything he did up to this point for five, six years.

Was to fuck her over. It was just for that moment when he could propose to her. Get the yes, get the validation that he was worthy, and then go fuck off and just walk away. I just don't understand, like, you're so obsessed with her, you should have just married her, and then that's it. But I don't think he can really,

but he doesn't think it's like that, or, yeah. But like his level of petty, his level of fucking, his dedication to this. That's the one impressive thing about Ted is his level of fucking dedication to this. That's the one impressive thing about Ted is his level, Petty. Right. This is the level most aspire to.

So, in 1974, he was 27 years old, and this is when he committed his first murder. There is suspicion that he murdered a young neighbor when he was 14 years old, but that's never been confirmed. That's weird. And it's basically based off of the fact that he lived in the same town as this girl, which is pretty clumsy. So it wasn't like next door neighbor. He never admitted to it.

He never admitted to everything he did. He admitted to a lot. He didn't really, he was pretty, he wasn't too forthcoming. They had to kind of pull a lot out of him. Because he, in fact, and I'm gonna play a couple clips during this. Yeah. There's a view interviews where when he would confess things,

he would start whispering. Oh yeah. And it's the creepiest thing you will ever hear. Like it's gonna ruin your life. So I'm sorry. You're welcome. But it's almost like he like couldn't say it loudly. Like he was too ashamed to say a loud word.

Because he was like a shame to me. But he would whisper it, it was crazy. So, and that's, so that same year, 1974. That's when a lot of young college women started coming up, missing in Seattle and the Oregon area. Stories started circulating about, a lot of them being seen with a handsome man who identified himself as Ted.

Yeah, like, because this fucker didn't even come up with a fake name. He would just introduce himself. Hamtayev. Yeah. So January 4th, 1974, 18-year-old Karen Sparks was a sleep in her basement apartment. Oh. She was a college student at the University of Washington. And she was awoken in the middle

of the night by Bundy literally just viciously beating her in the head and every day. How did he stalk her before? Well, he must have just seen her and just followed her. Yeah, and he was beating her with a metal bar that he'd removed from her bed frame. What the fuck? She had house like roommates and they found her the next day and said that the metal bar had been savagely jammed inside of her. Which he does a few more times after that makes my inside turning. That seems to be something like and he doesn't do it every time, but like, he doesn't enough.

When he's really pissed off. Yeah. Well, she survived. What? Yeah. Did she have like internal breathing? We really had life changing injuries. She had, I mean, she had brain damage and irreparable damage to her internal organs.

Wow. She lives for the rest of her life. Is she like, like mostly functioning though? I mean, I don't know a lot about her now because I'm sure she probably is not too forthcoming with everything, but yeah. Yeah, he basically ruined her fucking life. Yeah.

To survive that is just unimaginable. The same year, February 1st, 21 year old Linda Ann Healey ended up being his first victim that didn't survive. She was spotted by Ted at a local bar and she was just hanging out with friends. She ended up leaving early because she had a job announcing the ski weather reports on the local radio station so she was gonna have to get up early and do that. He was like an avid skier too, which I don't know if he just knew that she was, I don't know if

he was connected in there, but he ended up following her home from the bar. She was living in a apartment with four other roommates, and all four of these roommates were home. He doesn't care about that. He doesn't get shit. In many cases. Like he gives zero fucks, zero. She ended up going to sleep around 10 PM that night. There were people sleeping right in the next room. Right, it was sharing a wall. Ted broke into her room and immediately used a crowbar to beat her head in. Oh.

He then, so she had, there was blood all over her, all over her night count. He took her night count off and hung it up on a hanger and put it in the closet. That's the most terrifying thing I've ever heard. He then redressed her in other clothes, wrapped a sheet around her, wrapped her head in a pillowcase, and then remade the bed before taking her with him

out the window. All this with people in the next room. So when she didn't arrive at work the next morning, that's when her work called the house and her roommates answered and were like, I don't like, I don't know if she's not here. Nothing's weird until they pulled back the blankets and found blood everywhere. Bloodshed, bloodshed, everything. And then they found the nightgown in the closet. They never found her body.

Oh God. The only piece of her that was ever found was a jawbone. That's it. And they had to use dental records from that to identify her. So only her jawbone was ever found. Wow. And these next four, because he's on a spring man, he has, he has pissed.

He has pissed. A lot of people. These next four are sometimes known as like the Taylor Mountain skeletons. This is a place where he liked to bring bodies. It was like his personal skeleton garden. And this gets like a little, like if it already wasn't gruesome enough for you,

this just so you know, things get a little weird if you don't want to listen to this part. So we'll talk about the first victim here in these next four is 19-year-old Donna Gale Mace Manson. It was on March 12, 1974. It was in Olympia, Washington. She was super smart evergreen state college student. She was known to like take off for a few days at a time sometimes, so she wasn't reported missing for like six days after he got her. He was the one who claimed responsibility for her murder, and he claimed that some of those remains that were found in Taylor Mountain were hers, but he wouldn't say how he killed her. Oh.

So she was found, remains were found, but we don't know what that was. That belonged to her, but he wouldn't know what exactly what he went to we did Uh, the next one is 18 year old Susan Elaine Randkourt. She This was on April 17th 1974 in Ellensburg, Washington She had to work her ass off to get through school to pay for school. She was averaging a 4.0 wow and That night she had gone to a meeting around 8 p.m. And it was for an opportunity for a job, because she's working her ass off to get through school, like a bus.

That was the last time she was seen alive, was that that meeting? Only her skull was found on Taylor Mountain, which tends to, he decapitates a lot. Right. Not, well, it doesn't seem like he does it while they're alive. He does it after a while. Not okay, obviously, but. Well, and he goes back, right?

Yeah, we're going to get to that. He revisits, for sure. The next one is 22-year-old Roberta Kathleen Parks. It was on May 6th, 1974. That was in Oregon. She was an Oregon State University student because he's really into co-eds. She was majoring in world religions and she had agreed to meet friends for coffee that same evening but she never arrived. Oh no. Her skull was found with the others on Taylor Mountain and it was

over 250 miles from where she was last seen alive. Wow. Really traveled for this like dumping round. The next one is 22 year old Brenda Carroll Ball and it was on June 1st 1974. Your anniversary? I was just going to say my anniversary not the year but the day. It was this was in Washington. She was last seen leaving talking to a man with his arm and a sling and a tavern parking lot. She was known for being a free spirit and her friends thought nothing unusual of her not contacting them for a little while because I'm a free spirit.

And I never answer the group chat. I don't go with people with slings. Okay. I'm also caring. I know. Uh-oh. You're like an assertive asshole and like you're like answering things. And yeah, I'm not necessarily a free spirit.

I wouldn't say. No, I would not call myself a free spirit. You're very type A. In whatever sense. We are complete opposites. We definitely are. That's why this works. Yeah.

That's all the way. But Brenda's skull was the first found by students working on Taylor Mountain. Mm. Yeah. So these skulls in particular, I mean, most of the bodies that they found, he admitted and they found that he would actually visit them quite often. Ted Bundy was definitely a necrophilia. A necrophile, I think it's also good.

But he would go back to these bodies, he'd redress them, he'd change their clothes, he'd put makeup on them. They were like, he'd do their hair. Yeah, he'd do their hair. And he would have sex with them until they were too putrified to have sex with. Ew. So that's just so bizarre. Just chew on that. I mean that's like they were literally dead bodies outside

in the woods on a mountain in the elements and he was coming back many times. I don't know. I mean, how do you get away with that? Because I don't think there's not a lot of necrophiles in it. No, like floating around. But how do you get away with that? And he also picked this area because it's a very remote area. Like nobody's just walking through here. That's, this isn't one of those places where people walk.

It's so crazy to think about that. I know, it's crazy. The next victim is a freshman at University of Washington student, Georgian Hawkins. She was walking behind her sorority house one night and was stopped by Ted when he was when she was just 60 feet from her door. So he had fake crutches or a fake cast? I think it was fake crutches. I've seen two different reports. Yeah, fake injury. But it seems like it was crutches more so. So he pretended to drop his things as books and she was a super nice person and she was like, let me help you pick these up because that seems to be another running theme. He prayed on people's good nature. Yeah.

Like he used fake crutches, fake casts. Like can you help me with this? And you'd ask these women to help him and they would agree to because they were young college students and they were like, I just want to help everybody. Well, and realistically everybody's gonna say no to that. Me. Well, yeah. I'm never helping anybody. I don't help people. Oh my god. Like help yourself. I don't even know what to say about that. I'm never helping people. I'm never helping a strange man who asked me, no. If you can bring your own bum dee came over to you. We had some 10-bundy. Would I take a minute? Sure. Would I take a beat? Sure. But once I saw that there was no front seat and this VW bug I would be

running on the street. Well yeah. We'll get to that too. So she agreed to help him pick up his books and once she picked up the books he was like oh my car's right there. My super unassuming beige VW bugs. Super cute. Yeah. So he was like can you just help me put them in the car? Because I have crutches and this is hard. And she was like totally, that's fine. So she opened the passenger door to place the books down. And she was like, oh, that's weird. You don't have a passenger side seat alarming. And before she could even get a second to ponder this, he wailed her on the back of the head with a crowbar

that he had hidden in the wheel well. Good. So he was totally ready for this. He then pushed her into the place where the front seat was supposed to be and he had taken it out. So he had that ready. They started driving out of town

because I'm sure he was going to take her where he took all the other ones. Yeah. But she woke up suddenly. That aspect. It was clearly delirious and messed up because she had beaten and had with the crowbar. And she started babbling about a Spanish test. Oh my God. So the fact that she was suddenly conscious freaked him out and was not part of the plan. So he stopped the car, he took her out of the car and beat her with the crowbar and we're not positive how he killed her

But her body has never been found. Oh so The next victims are bananas because An a an a a truly be an an a because this was in broad daylight in front of 40,000 to 50,000 witnesses Yeah, I'm really she didn't murder them. I was like wait a minute in front of 40,000 to 50,000 witnesses. You adopted them at least. He didn't murder them. I was like, wait a minute.

I was gonna say that came out kind of sensational, but I don't either way be adopted them in front of all these people. Yeah. So this is going to take place at a place called Lake Samamish and it's in Issaquah, Washington, which is eight miles east of east of Seattle. It's a huge Seattle.

It's a huge Seattle. We're doing really well. So it's just so hot. Guys, it's hot. I don't know if I mentioned it. So hot. So this is a huge state park. It's like 512 acres. Is this the beach? Yes, it has lots of water and beach areas. In the summertime, it's packed with people sunbathing, hiking, picnicking, doing water sports, boating, all that shit.

All that shit I love to do. Oh yeah, you're all about that. All about that life. I love to do. Oh yeah, you're all about that. All about that life. No. So this was on July 14th, 1974. So 1974 was a very busy year. It was really crowded this day. And that's because there were also a lot of companies doing their like picnic outings that day for some reason. So they estimate that there was between 40,000 and 50,000 people there that day. Wow. That's like a small city. So it was around noon on this day that a man, a handsome man, approached a 22-year-old woman named Mary Osmer. She'd been hanging out on like a grassy knoll near a ton of other people that were eating lunch.

She wasn't hidden away from the public. She was in full public. She was right there. Tons of people. This young guy who was described by a ton of other people there is wearing a white t-shirt, jeans, and he had his injured arm in a sling. Mm.

Injured. He walked up to Mary and he asked her to help him move his sailboat. What? Now if a man ever walks up to you and is like, can you just help me move this boat real quick? I'd be like, well I'm not a boater. Like throw up a red flag real quick.

Yeah. And I'm not blaming victims here. I'm just saying like for future rounds. Yeah, just like take a note down with you. Yeah, don't do that. Just tell him to fuck off. Well I would just literally be like, I don't know how to do that. I'd be like, why are you asking me to move your boat? Take accountability for your boat. I'm a boat mover. Right. Like, what about me says that? So, kind of out of here. She agreed to help him.

Which she later does say he was super good looking. I went with him. Which is like girl okay like fuck like okay. She did a great help and she followed him out of the area to his beige VW book. Da da da. And Mary sees no sailboat so she's like yeah I don't see a boat and he's like oh yeah the boat is like a short ride up the road at my parents house so you just have to get in the car with me and we'll go get it. I'd be like why don't you know anyone that can help you? So exactly so Mary immediately gets weirded out and her instincts are like ding-ding-ding-ding-ding so they were a little late to the party but they came her instincts did come and she says actually I'm really sorry I can't help you because I thought the boat was here.

And I'm actually already late because I was supposed to meet my parents for lunch, like at 12.30. So, he's actually super nice. He apologizes to her for inconveniencing and for like not having the boat there. Right. He's not aggressive at all. And he even like walks her back to the grassy knoll and is like thanks for the help Imagine your fucking experience with Ted Yunday. So she lived if this sounds a little familiar this whole like lore that he's doing Maybe you've seen silence of the lambs and it's reminding you of Buffalo Bill

That's seen where he And it's reminding you of Buffalo Bill, that scene where he Abducks the woman after he asked her to help him move and he has a cast on that stresses me out That's model like so that was modeled after Ted Bundy. Yeah, they took that from his actual ML and she goes first in the man and then he's like, ah, that always makes me crazy. I'm like, no, why'd you do that and see? It's like she's a nice lady That always makes me crazy. I'm like no, why'd you do that and see it's like she's a nice lady Anything of it and that's what happens, but she looks too. So that didn't work for him obviously And it turns out that later we find out that he did this to several women that day So he was just looking for someone like he was gonna go after so that same day

He approached another woman he was gonna go after. So that same day, he approached another woman, 23 year old Janice Ott, who was five feet tall, and she actually had long blonde hair, which is the only outlier. He just needed someone so bad. I think he was just really jones and so, she had moved to the area to take a job helping children.

So again, another just good person. She was alone that day and had ridden her bike to the beach just a sunbathe. He introduced himself as Ted, like didn't make up a name and he's in front of a ton of people. Remember, so these people are hearing him and she agreed to help him with the whole boat shit because he made the, he used the same bullshit line. When they got to the car she saw that there wasn't a boat and before she could say anything, he punched her in the face, pushed her into the car where the passenger seat was taken out. In front of so many people!

And he strangled her and they believe that he took her to another location like in the woods to kill her and that he tied her up like immobilized her and kept like left her there. So was she alive? So they think she was alive. She was killed later. They found her bone scattered in this area later and she was decapitated at that point. Oh shit. But so once he had left her in this place, a couple of hours later he came back to Samamish, the same place. So he left her there and went back to the beach. He left her there and came back to the beach and approached another woman, 18-year-old Denise Nazlons. So she was at the park with friends and she just stepped away for a second to go to the

bathroom. He met her outside the restroom, he was the same bullshit line, same broken arm bullshit and she was nice and agreed to help. Her job on in FEMA were the only things that were found on the computer. These were the identified victims, and they were also found along with an unidentified skeleton. Scalots were made in the same area.

And they found the crowbar. So as it turns out, he had kept Janice somewhere. Like he had tied her up somewhere. Well, he got Denise and then he brought Denise back and terrorized them together. Oh my god! And then he ended up killing one of them saw the other one be killed. So they had a fucking nightmare. I mean, yeah.

I can't even fathom. And they don't even know each other. No. They just went to a nice people. Yeah, in total public't even know each other. No, they just went to nice people. Yeah, to in total public area, broad daylight. Right. Like I'm at oh, I can't. Yeah, it's like, where the fuck are you safe? If you're not safe on a beach on a beach with 50,000 people around you, like, yeah. As it turns out, a group of three women were sitting really close to where Janice was initially approached by Ted. And one of these women clearly overheard their conversation and heard him

introduce himself as Ted. Oh shit. They also knew what his car was. These are bad bitches. So more people around the area also heard him say his name was Ted. So this was super ballsy and risky. Yeah. We did this, especially grabbing two women in one area. In one area. In one area. In one area. in one area. In one drink, someone in the face in broad daylight. In the same area. It's like he was really going crazy. So these people all went to the police with this info, because these girls disappeared. Sorry.

Now, I was, I love, I'm going to shout out a podcast right now, True Crime Garage. Everybody should go listen to it, because they're awesome. They had a really interesting note that I just wanted to share And I want to give them credit for it That Jack the Ripper also committed a double homicide on one night. Oh, he was another one And that's really rare. Yeah, so it's interesting that maybe Ted was inspired by this to like be worse Like he was trying to like outdo one of the most infamous he was gonna be the best. This whole thing clearly put the eyes right on him and the King County police took all the info

that they got all the descriptions and they broadcasted it everywhere and they set up a tip line while releasing a composite from the descriptions and they were getting like 200 tips a day. Wow. So the composite sketch is ridiculous. And it doesn't actually look like that. They did end up producing a revised sketch that looks a little more of it, but I feel like no, I don't know. I'm gonna sketch this.

I don't know if you're gonna look like anybody. But the initial sketch, I'm gonna put it like on our Instagram page. It's because he has like bulging eyes and a huge afro. I would be so offended. Well, it just doesn't look like anything like it. No, nothing like it. I don't understand.

One of the things that's interesting about Ted Bundy is that he was super handsome, but he was also super generic. Like, it's not like he was typical. He was the kind of handsome that you're like, there's just something about him. No, like an all-american handsome. Exactly, like he was like apple pie. Like it's, and so that allowed him to change his look very subtly and look like a totally different person.

So if you, that's another thing I'll have to post on our Instagram page, cause it's really crazy to look at. If you look at all the pictures that they have of him throughout these days. He does look different. He looks different. And it different in a different person. He would grow beard, he would grow, you know,

his hair out a little more, he would have it a little more style, he would wear turtle necks, he would wear a t- It changed his style even. He was just slightly and it's like, so he really could kind of stay ahead of all this. He was apple pie gone, real bad. He was, he was rotten apple pie.

So we're a band name. Rotten apple pie, that's a great one. We was Rotten Apple Pie. Um, so the right band name. Rotten Apple Pie, that's a great one. We're just, we're really just, we're like, I hope some like musicians are out there listening to us. I mean, give us money or something. Oh, but they were calling these murders the Ted Murders for a while because that's all they knew about him is that it's the same as Ted Talks. So you're on three of Ted Talks.

Right, like just the Ted Murders. So some of the, some notable tips that came into this tip line, one tip came from his psychology professor, oh, no way. Who said, I got a weirdo in my class that looks like ahhh. And his name is Ted Bundy. So he literally was like,

college professors are the fluffiest. Yeah. Another tip came from Ann Rule, who you guys should totally read her book, Strange or Beside Me, it's fucking awesome. She worked with him. It's insane. Yeah, it turned out that Ann Rule volunteered alongside Ted at this crisis suicide hotline.

They were tasked with literally talking people down from suicide, which I don't feel like Ted Bundy would be a good fit for a lot of jobs But he was great at it, right? They like she said he was amazing at it. He was compassionate. He was like he talked he say she says he saved many lives Which is so bizarre so weird and She also said they were like good friends like they went out to lunch. They like hung out They kept in touch for like good friends. Like they went out to lunch, they hung out. They kept in touch for years after this. Weird.

She was even, for a while, she was like, I can't see him doing this. Like she was shocked. She said he was kind, gentle, good to her. She used to walk him out, or he used to walk her out to her car at what it was like late night. And he always said, lock your doors because I don't want anything happening to you.

That's weird. And it's like, well, he knew how horrible people can be. So, why did he care about her? Well, she, because I wondered that too, because I was like, well, she was a woman. Right. But she didn't fit his description. No, not at all. His, like, you know, type.

And she was a little older at the time still. She was older than he was. Like, older enough that he, he was more into college. Bigger college girls. And, um, yeah, I think he just, he looked at her as like an actual friend. Well, she's kind of crazy. Weird that serial killers can have friends. Yeah. And I actually have a clip here of Annal talking about this really quick.

So just the fact that this is a guy, you mentioned earlier that treated you very well. Yes. Like you was protected protected. I think so. You know, he had, his victims had to be someone he didn't know. He told Bob Kepel. The detective.

The detective, yeah. The detective. Once that, ten. the detective here once that if he talked to them a woman for more than 20 minutes then she was no good as a victim because he victims had to just be objects. He didn't want to have it any emotional connection So I probably was as safe as in my mother's arms Also, he liked slender co-eds with long dark hair parted in the middle. Well, I haven't been slender since I was four. And I have red hair,

which is slowly turning to silver. So, I think he liked me, but I think he also used me, certainly, to get later on. He wanted to use me as a conduit to the tech task force up here. Because he didn't want to talk to them directly, but he wanted to send messages. So, the third tip that came in that's kind of interesting is from Liz. Yes. Old girlfriend. This is bananas. Just couldn't put any of the coincidences out of her mind.

The car, the description, and the name, kind of, were like... Match your boyfriend. And she claims that he'd been acting strange, and that he'd staying up all night, being secretive about where he's going. She found some weird shit in their house. Yeah, and that he was only interested in sex when he could basically involve bondage in it, tie her up. And she wasn't into that, so she was like, I'm not really into that, and he would get angry

at her, which he was saying else. Like, whatever floats your boat, man. So that's a lot now. So we're going to stop it right here, and we'll be on a little bit of a clip hanger because this is about the time that they're kind of closing in on Ted on the bun doing it. But we're gonna let you hang on to that for a while. When we come back neck and you know, I think when we post this it'll be like a couple days from the first one being posted.

Yeah. So in a couple days from the first one being posted. Yeah. So in a couple days, you're gonna hear about the famous Kyle Mega murders. Ball, bomb, which he's most famous for. So that's it's bat shit crazy. Really bat shit crazy. And we've only scratched the surface. Oh yeah, we're just gonna start it.

So get ready. This could even be three parts, but I think we're gonna do it in two. So we will do whatever we want. We're gonna do whatever we want. This is our podcast. So yeah. All right. Ted Bundy, guys. The beginning. Sleep tight. Don't let the bunty bunts spying. Don't let the bunty bite. And weird, he got one of the things that nailed his coffin is a bite mark They found don't let the body bite Shit Whoa, so on that no buy cuz we're not gonna top that tonight

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