Morbid - Episode 50: Margaret Allen

Episode Date: March 7, 2019

In Ash's mini Mini Morbid, she covers the story of Margaret Allen, who brutally killed her neighbor just because they were feelin' some type of way. This is a quick one but it delivers a punch of scrambled eggs. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey weirdos! I'm Alaina. I'm Ash. And this is a mini morbid. And it's Ash's soundtrack. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, morbid. Mini, morbid, mini, morbid, mini, morbid! I think that should be like my, like, mini, mini, mini more bed, mini more bed, mini more bed, mini more bed.

I think that should be like my like Instagram name. It's Ash Centric. Ash, it's hard to say though. Ash Centric. Ash Centric. Plus everybody I know calls me Ash Kelly-3, so. Oh, it's weird. It's not everyone I know.

It's gonna say that's real weird on my friends. Well, this is a mini-sode. So this means we just barrel on in I don't think you're gonna know this case because it's very obscure And I had to go I'm pretty obscure though. You are pretty obscure I have like a fucking spider bite on my shoulder cool. You seen that yeah, look at that shit Anyways, so this is the case of I think I was gonna say first that I went on murder pd and to find it. Did I say that out loud? Don't know. I did go on murder pd and to find this. So Margaret Allen was born in 1906 in the UK and she grew up and I'm gonna butcher this name.

Lancashire? Lancashire? I think it didn't. Oh, so many people have, hold on, people have messaged about this from the UK about the shires. Oh, Worcestershire. It's sheer. Because they share. Because they share. It's like we say Worcestershire. Okay, so I'm going to say she grew up in Lankashear, England.

Thank you, UK listeners. She was the 20th of 22 children. Baaaay. I'm like offended by that. Yeah. You know that time when you thought that you'd never been shooketh before? I'm shooketh. Yeah. Like you told me I would know what it felt like.

I know what it feels like. That's what it feels like. Wolf. 22 kids. Oh, I'm gonna go out and be crude here. Imagine the pain in your hoo-ha. Oh my god. After 22 kids.

My lord, that woman is a, she, I don't know what she is, she's a warrior. She's a dougar. She's a dougar. That's what she is. She's an early century dougar. She legit is. We'll get through this.

We will. So yeah, from childhood, she didn't identify as being a girl, although she was born a girl. Okay. So at one point in this, I just so it's not confusing for anybody, I wanted to be respectful of the trans community and I don't know

what she would have wanted. So I started referring to her as they. Oh, that's fun. A little later on. Yeah, that's fun. I'm just so you know. Yeah, that's a good way to do it. So I don't do it in the beginning,

just because I'm talking about her when she was like first born. Yeah. Later on I switch. Yeah, that's fine. Okay, because this is a long time ago. You don't have her here to tell you. Right, and I don't know what she would have preferred.

So just so everybody knows I'm trying my best to be very respectful of both communities. So all the communities. Just all of them. I said both. Like I was talking about two. Both. Communities, that's it. We're digressing a lot. Just all of them. I said both, like I was talking about you. The community, but that's it. All right, we're digressing a lot. That's my fault.

So, yeah, she liked to hang out with the guys in her town and she worked jobs that were pretty much like only given to men in those days. She loaded coal, repaired. Oh my God, I was just gonna say coalman. Yeah, she loaded the coal. She repaired houses and she also became a bus conductor. Wow.

So, apparently though, she was like really intense and she swore a ton and she was really aggressive and she had a bad temper. I mean Margaret. Which sounds like every bus driver I ever had. I'm gonna say quite honest. And she's just being Margaret. Yeah, just like a... Got her you there.

She is Margaret. She is exactly. It's me still. I want to read that book again. Tell me. Anyways, she, like I said, was super intense. And when she was working as a bus driver, she eventually got fired because of her bad attitude and apparent abuses toward passengers.

Oh. So, I mean, yeah. People, if they didn't sit down in their seats quickly enough, she would yell at them or shove them or cuff them, which I don't know exactly what that means. But I was like, did she straight up hand cuff them to their seats? Like what the hell did that mean?

I looked into it, I don't know. Cuffing. What is early century cuffing? English listeners, let me know. I might look this up while you talk. Yeah, I feel free. So yeah, but you could see why it didn't work out for her to be a bus driver.

Yeah, I feel like that might not have been her. You're calling, you know? Few conflicts of interest, I would say. I feel like that's no good. So in 1935, some years later, she told people that she underwent like this operation, and nobody really knew what it was for, but she said it was like, you know, casual like thing whatever yeah but later she explained that the operation was to change from

a woman to a man so it's unknown whether or not this is true because at the time those operations like weren't super common yeah I was gonna say so it is possible but either way after telling people that she had had this operation, she cut her hair, excuse me, she lived her life as a man. She cut her hair, started wearing men's clothing, she hung out with mostly men. She didn't have a lot of women friends, and she also started referring to herself as Bill. Okay.

So from this point on, I'm going to switch today because just to, you know, because that seems to be with. Yeah. So Bill also took up drinking and bars and surrounded themselves with mostly men for friends, like I said. And they apparently did have one female friend named Ann Cook, but it's rumored that on vacation, Slashbill made advances and wanted Anne Cook to be his girlfriend, but Anne was an interested in the friendship I did. Oh, now that's tough. And I don't know if she was like bitch about it or like a fan was or if she wasn't. I don't know.

Anne, let us know. Hey, where are you bitch about it? Where are you bitch about it? Or are you nice? Because it's important to let people down easy. It is. So, yep. So, that all happened and then actually you know what I said that I was gonna start referring to

Them as Alan because that's the last name. Okay. Yeah, that's that's easy I feel Alan and then if I need to use a pronoun, I'll say they okay So in 1943 Alan's mother passed away and Alan's mental health rapidly declined They started smoking excessively eating less not taking care of themselves, they stopped going out with friends, and basically they just experienced like a pretty big depression. Yeah. Which is understandable. Yeah, for sure. Especially a parent. Yeah. So Alan took all their savings and used it to buy a pretty much abandoned building that used to be, I'm also gonna ruin this name,

rotin's, rotin stalls, police quarters. I like it. Okay, rotin stalls, that's, it's R-A-W-T-E-N-S-T-A-L-L. Rotin stalls, or maybe like rotin stalls. I don't know, rotin stalls seems better. Either way, the building that they bought used to be that police headquarters. It was located on the town's main street,

which was back up road, Urbacoup, or however you say when you're in England. I don't know. Alan lived alone in D'acquiredly open to the Bacoup street. Go drive on to the coop street. Yeah, that sounds right, actually. I normally have a pretty good opening back in the face.

I thought it was so bad. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, that was pretty tragic. I'm not gonna lie. I'm normally so much better. You're a fuck. Wow. My brain is just like, woo. You can't always just jump into another accent.

Like, hi, pit pit tree. Oh, see, redemption? No? Cool. Awesome. We're almost there. But oh, according to Ann Cook, Allen did try to commit suicide at least once using gas. No, I don't like inhalation. I'm assuming. Yeah. So on August 28th, 1948, 68-year-old Mrs. Nancy Ellen Chadwick knocked on Ellen's door. Apparently, I read one place to borrow a cup of sugar because Nancy was a neighbor. Nancy's always borrowing a cup of sugar, I feel like. Yeah, she definitely is.

If Nancy's your neighbor, she's gonna borrow a cup of sugar. We've namps, you know. Yeah. I'm gonna give you this whole bag of sugar. I'm just doing it what you will. Yeah, don't ask him again. Don't ask on my door again. Yeah.

I don't like people. No. Nancy. That's what I would say to Nancy. Uh, and that's what Bill said to Nancy. Oh, okay. No, I'm just kidding. That was like, wow. So let's get back to like who Nancy was.

Okay. She was a widow. She was described as disagreeable, pestering and eccentric. All right. Which is honestly, other than the pestering, how I want people to describe me, disagreeable and eccentric.

Yeah, I am disagreeable and I am eccentric. That should be like your bio. The name of your autobiography. Oh, that would be a great idea. Disagreeable and eccentric. I love that. The Ashkel story. The Ashkel-Eed great idea. Disagreeable. That's an eccentric. I love that. The Ashkel story. The Ashkel, even through spring.

Thank you. And good night. So, yeah, she was pretty much just in fucking annoying neighbor. Apparently, she was also not poor. So, everyone was like, why is she always fucking bar one? My show, Kari, and you see, yeah. Like, what's your end game here?

And she was known to carry large amounts of cash in a bag, but would like ask people for things that she, like, they're like, Nancy go buy it with all the fucking cash you have in your pocket. She was walking her own the bag and cash was like $1.00. She's like an a borrow five dollars. I'd eat some sugar. Sugar? So anyway, the last place that Nancy was seen before she died was at Allen's home. That's no good. It's never good.

So the next day her body was found in the road right outside of Allen's house, which you can remember is the main Bacoup Road. The main Bacoup Road. Yeah, that's where it was. So it's just out there for everybody to see. Straight up out there. When the police first discovered the body, they assumed that it was a hit and run case because right in the middle of the middle of the main street

there were lots of wounds and shit. But upon for their investigation, the wound showed that they'd been inflicted from the pointy end of a coal hammer. Ooh, yup. Wow. Fucking ouch. All right.

Like, bye. No, thank you. That's business. Thank you next. Yeah, no. That's business. I don't know why this is important, but it was in the article.

So also, they believed that the hammer was coated with ashes. No. I don't know if they were using it for fire, I don't know. I don't know what ashes would do. I'm trying to think of a reason that that would be pertinent. It wasn't ever brought up again later. If anybody knows why that would be pertinent let us know. Yeah, hang me up. Who move? Who move? So for some reason the Scotland yard detectives were called in but their investigation pretty much consisted of following the bloody trail from Allen's apartment to the dead body in the middle of the street.

So I don't really know if they needed to call in the detectives, but you know what, they did the damn thing. Oh, wow. Another case solved. Yeah, that's brilliant. Scotland is Yard detectives, the world's finest. They did, though, have to treat it like a regular investigation and carry out the usual steps because you can't just be like, oh look, that blood trail.

He did it. But you know, because they were kind of treating it like a regular investigation, Alan kind of believed that they were going to get away with it because they were like, oh, I fucking outsm at them I don't know. Of course you did you really covered your company or tracks, you know But you know people like that like I'm a nurse. Yeah, they're narcissistic They always think that they're exactly one step ahead of everybody like I killed one and I'm gonna get away Yeah, I'm smarter than everybody that's stupid. Yeah

No, I dumped them outside of my house on a mainstream with blood leading up to my apartment I just like had like a moment to a flashback to job breaker that movie Mm-hmm, and she's like I killed this I killed the team B deal with it the team dream team dream right? I don't know. I said team B. I think I was thinking queen Yeah, you know, like what if somebody just use that audio of me being like I killed someone I'm gonna get away with it to like frame me for something they could know Don't do that. Be loyal listeners.

Even if you leave one star review. Okay? Just don't take us to prison, man. No, I would not survive. No, clearly no. So Alan was like, I'm gonna get away with it, bye. And then for the next few days, they went to their usual bars. And they bragged that they were the last one to see Chadwick alive.

Which if you're gonna like try not to be a suspect I would definitely say it's probably not in your best interest to say that you're the last person to see that. Yeah I feel like that's kind of like murder 101. Yeah like they they teach you, I think that's like the second day in. For sure. They teach you like, okay, so don't be the last person to see people alive. And if you are, maybe don't go to a bar and tell anyone. Announce that.

I would be like, you know what, that guy looks like he's the last one to see her alive. I opinion. I'd be like, I am positive that like a dozen more people saw that person. Yeah, guys, and you see that and then everyone at the bar is drunk and they're like, woo! I feel like, yeah, we did. Yeah, so that's how you do that.

Ricky move, you know, straight go. You more of a tellin' you how to get away with my natural. That's how we're doing, bye. So Ellen became extremely overconfident and even told people that Nancy Chadwick had a hidden pocket in her underscirt that and said quote she was an old fool to sit on a roadside bench counting her money Oh, that's awesome because like I think that's what they were trying to say like she was counting her money and then she was attacked or something like mugged or something like maybe like don't condemn her make fun of the victim. If you also don't point out that she has a hidden pocket under her skirt.

Key word that everybody wouldn't know about. Hidden. Wow, so Alan's really just like, not the quickest. Not the quickest. Not the quickest. Yeah, so far two strikes for Alan. Yeah, actually three strikes for Alan. Also, I read it in one article, I forgot to put it in here, my bad, that during the police

investigation, he was just like, bad, that during the police investigation he was just like, during the police investigation they were just like trying to distract the police and they pointed at like a pond, like close by or like whatever, like a river and they were like, oh look, there's her bag. But they were like, how did you just spot that from like all the way over here? Yonder! Look over Yonder! I spot a bag and I'm sure it belongs to her.

And they were like, yeah, you're fucking awesome. Wow, Alan. This is great. They weren't doing the damn thing. They were not. So on September 1st, 1948, the police visited Alan's home again. And that's when they noticed, which like really... Bloodstains on one of the walls inside by the doorway.

More bloodstains in the cellar and they also matched hairs for Nancy Chadwick's head to those found on Alan's clothing. Wow. And on top of that, they found multiple belongings of Chadwick's. So, so things are not looking great. Alan was charged with murder. No way! Yeah I know you didn't see it come in day two. Wow. Yeah. Shock. Crazy. Shocked. And you know what? They admitted to it. I mean at that point. And they said. They basically have already. This is what they said. Oh God. I was in a funny mood. She seemed to insist on coming into the house. I just happened to look around and saw him or in the kitchen. On the spur of the moment I hit her, she gave me a shout.

That seemed to start me off more, and I hit her a few more times. I don't know how many. I mean, I'm not laughing that someone died. That's horrible. Like, I'm laughing at like these two. I was, I felt some type of way. I was in a mood. She came to my door. She was being a

no-one. She wanted to come in. I look over to my left. I'm like this will stop her. There's a hammer. I mean what was I to do? She yelled at me a little and that was it. And I just didn't know how many times. What a confession. So yeah. What a confession. So after five hours of deliberation, like barely, barely five, the jury found Alan guilty and came up with a sentence of the death penalty. Wow. Alan's attorneys tried to get them off with a plea of insanity, but it didn't work out. So Alan was really aggressive. Alan was like super chill about that. There's no way they were getting insanity like that. It seems to me to be honest with you,

like in their background, they definitely struggled with mental issues. And I think today, they would have been more addressed. But I think back then, it was like taboo to talk about the things that Alan was going through. Yeah, I agree with that. But I still, they would still never get the insanity plea.

Oh, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm saying like, maybe like Alan Wooden have been our murderers, maybe they would have got the help they needed before it came. Yeah, yeah. But you know, they're still murderers, so you can't feel too bad.

And also they were just. I put a woodish shudder. Just like all the things that they do, you're like, I feel like there's an underlying issue here. Yeah, there's really- As with those writers. Yeah.

So yeah, like I said, they were pretty aggressive throughout their last days. They complained about the lack of comfort in the prison. Because you know, it's not super comfy. I'm bad, what it's for? Yeah, it's for. Y'all to be super comfortable in your last few days. Like it's not the Ritzkaltan. No, it's definitely not.

I don't know if you thought that, but- Yeah, it's like no. Sorry, it's not. Sorryitzkrallton. No it's definitely not. I don't know if you thought that but I'd say sorry it's not. Sorry first your bubble. Bye. And also when they got served a last meal which was scrambled eggs per request. Wow that's your last meal. Can I just say that's like literally the shittiest last meal I've ever heard. I mean I love scrambled eggs. I don't like scrambled eggs. I love eggs. I love eggs from my head down to my legs. Oh No, they used to be the commercial for it. Maybe you're too young for that. Maybe I just aged myself. I'm 22 I don't remember when that commercial was out, but it was like I love eggs from my head to my legs Someone will remember it. I'm sure I don't want to call you old because I'm not ages. Oh, I forgot. Somebody got mad at us about that. Yeah She's probably not listening though, so it's cool

She listened to two minutes remember and then she was done. Yeah, by Karen. We were bitches Bye, babe No, I love eggs from I had done to my legs, but I would not want eggs as my last meal No, especially screw I don't even know what I would want as my last meal to be quite honest Okay, but if you had to have eggs as your last meal, how would you have them served? Got to your question. That's a good question. I would say either over easy or sunny side up. I would say eggs Benedict over hash browns extra holidays. Oh girl, I didn't know we could add more shit on the egg. You can only add like one other breakfast item. Then I would throw some hash browns in there.

Yeah, yeah. Or no, no, no, no. If I was actually going to do it, I'd take it back. I would put it over corn B-fash, only from a can though. I only like corn B-fash from the can. That shit to me is like worse than dog food. I've said it once. I'll say it again.

I'm trash. I love it. Anyway. I love it. Yeah, so. Oh got their scrimmeled eggs pervered last scrimmeled eggs. That's where we were. And when they got the scrimmeled eggs they kicked it across the room and said at least no one will enjoy that last meal. Oh damn. Which like wow you're so saucy. You're so mad. Why you mad? Why you mad? Like why are you kicking your eggs? I think, like if I'm getting eggs, I'm gonna eat them.

I'm gonna kick eggs. I wouldn't want them scrambled. If they were scrambled, I'd kick them. I would not. Just like I would say kick rocks, buddy. That's my new thing that I like to say. Like, okay, kick rocks. So on the morning of January 12th, 1949, legally, the name Margaret

Allen expressed no remorse and went to the scaffold in the execution chamber quietly without any exclamation of the crime or any evident remorse. Wow! And that is the quick story of Margaret Allen. That's a crazy one. I had not heard of that one. Yeah, it was just on murder, murder PDF. That's crazy. Well, we That's a crazy one. I had not heard of that one. Yeah, it was just on murder, murder PDF. That's crazy. Well, we gave you a long one last time. Well, that's it.

You usually give the show ones and I give the overly long ones. So far, we're not nailing the like 30-minute market. They won't have us, but it's fine. It's okay. It's cool. Other podcasts have 25-minute episodes. Yeah.

Hey, this is a quick little one that you can get zoop to work listening to. Yeah, go to the Dunkin' Donuts Drive-Thru. Yeah. And you'll get there. Yeah. And this is a quick little one that you can get zoop to work listening to. Yeah, go to the Dunkin' Donuts drive-through. Yeah, and you'll get there. Yeah. And this was a good one. Thank you. Margaret slash bill is something else.

Yeah. Maybe my new thing will be like kick scrambled eggs. Kick scrambled eggs. A lot of Margaret. I dug it. I'm glad. And you're gonna also be getting a full length this week, and we're gonna be covering Elizabeth Bathory.

Oh, damn. Which is one of my favorites. I did a whole project on her in early high school. I don't know a ton about her, but I'm stoked. I didn't learn all kinds of shit. I will. It's gonna be exciting. Alina assigns me my research on her week.

I do. She's like, look up this and look up this. Look at this. And it's normally the very small, I need things that don't matter, but it's okay. Because everybody has a part in this podcast. Yes. We're all important here.

We're all mad here. All of us here. All two of us are here are important. So it's such a dog. And my dog, who, if you heard any snores, are we like snarfs in the middle of this it was a Lina it was me and also my And also my dog who is snoring and slumbering happily next to us and we just didn't want to move it. Yeah, she's just so beautiful

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And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you just like murder a lady because she comes to your door and asks for sugar and then you get sent to jail and then you're like, yeah, I did it and I don't know how many times I even did it. And then you ask for scrambled eggs and then you kick them right across the floor that spoiled us Brought not that weird don't do it. Oh eat Bye. Bye. Hey, prime members. You can listen to morbid, early, and ad-free

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