Morbid - Episode 507: A Conversation With Rachel Stavis, A Real Life Exorcist

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Welcome to a super duper special episode of Morbid with guest host, the incredible Rachel Stavis. We are so freaking excited to be speaking with the Los Angeles–based screenwriter, novelist, and an exorcist. Yup, you read that right. She’s a full blown exorcist. How cool?!?!? It was a grand time, so please enjoy!Check out her book Sister of Darkness and find her on all socials @rhstavis. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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exclusively and add free right now. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alena. And I'm Rachel. And this is a special episode of Morbid. I'm not sure if I can do it. Guys, we have Rachel, Stavis on the show today. Rachel is a, this is a long list, a world-renowned exorcist. She has written multiple books, created the backstory for Lara Croft Tomb Raider, and really, you're kind of just like an all around badass. So welcome.

Oh, well, thank you. That's like the best. Okay, good. I'm glad I really worked it all. And you know, it's funny because we were just talking about this before we started recording. But this is really exciting because I just came across Rachel on TikTok. Like one of your videos just popped up on my for you page. I immediately was drawn to it. Watch the whole thing and was like, oh, immediate follow. And then I just started like every time you would come up, I was like, oh, like, yes, like awesome. And then we just like, I think somehow we came together and it was like, oh, she should come on the show. And I was like, hell yeah, like it was

such an organic. Yeah. Coming together, it felt so cool. Yeah. And like I, I, I think I'm so terrible at TikTok. So that was very validating for me. What you just, you're great at. No, we love your videos. I'm like, I'm trying. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just following like Senator Palmbeib. And that's it. That's what I'm saying. We have been shouting the praises of sinister pop-ape for months. I'm obsessed with sinister pom-ape. So good. We do impressions all the time, and we are not so good at that.

Constantly saying, that's sinister vibe. It's given dark saddened. It's given dark saddened. Every time there's a new one, and I'm like, I have to watch it as soon as I see it. Every time. Every time. If we're in the room together, and I'm like, I have to watch it as soon as I see it. Every time. Every time. If we're in the room together,

Elaine is like, oh, new one. I swear, that's me. That's totally me. I'm like, oh, I love it. I love it. So if you guys want me, you can kind of dive right into everything. We have a ton of questions for your Rachel. So hopefully that is okay.

Yes, I'm ready. Awesome. All right, amazing. Our first question for you is, can you basically just give us like kind of an overview about what being an exorcist means to you? Sure, yeah.

So, oh my gosh. Let's see, I've been doing this work. Well, kind of in secret for a while, for over 10 years now. Oh wow. In Los Angeles, I work on everyone from, I don't know, like Oscar winners and heads of studio and rock icon. Like if you can think of them, they've probably been here. Let's just put it that way. But I don't know how clients are. That's so cool. I never say who. But yeah, and basically what I do,

you know, as exorcism work. It really is what it is. It's taking entities out of people in places. That's what I've been doing here forever. I love it. How did you discover that this was your unique talent that you had? Yeah, so ever since I was a kid,

I could see entities with my eyes. And I would complain about monsters ever since I was a kid, I could see entities with my eyes. I would complain about monsters under the bed or monsters in the closet, like one does. But they were so young. And then parents would come in and be like, there's nothing there, go to bed, you're keeping me up. So for me, they just never went away.

I always could see them. And I didn't know that that was weird when I was a kid, because how would you know? Right. So what about it? I talked about it at school, I talked about it. Oh, I'm like, yeah, that's the idea. By the way, it's like the worst idea ever.

So I found out very quickly that that's crazy. I'm lunatic and you don't do that. So, you know, I believe that whole heartedly because there's, I don't know, when you're a kid, everything's so weird and awkward and so I didn't want more weird and awkward things about myself. So I just listened and I didn't talk about it ever again. Like it went to the vault. And I had, I always say, like, you know, people talk about, they had some life-changing event and then now they're like, can see spirits or whatever.

That was totally not me. I was able to kind of drown out the sight of it until I hit like 30. And then I had a fender bender, not like the life changing thing. But he was like one stressor too many and a week full of stressors. And so suddenly my site was blown open. And I couldn't suppress it at all anymore. And like, you know, the on house person on the street, like screaming, I was seeing who they were screaming at or what they were screaming at. And to do is just everywhere.

And I thought basically like, I mean, they're gonna have to check myself in or figure out why I have this. Like what is this thing? So I always joke like I sat down with a bottle of scotch and was like, okay, spirit people, like tell me. I'm gonna dive into this. I love that.

Here's my offering. Right. And you know, many scotches later here we are. But I just kind of learned to open myself up more instead of closing everything down. And in doing so, I communicated with spirit with the good things. Right.

And then we got, and just started working on people and friends at first and who would just let me and you know, there were a lot of issues that you don't think about when you see movies about exorcisms like, you know, if you put five candles on the ground, you're going to kick them over and start a fire at some point, you know, just a balance. So I started a lot of fires and did a lot of things wrong and hoped that people would bear with me. And so then they would have a good experience and some share it with somebody else.

And it just was so word of mouth for so long. That's the best way to go about things though. Like word of mouth travels so quickly and then you're sure you have just people beating down your door at this point. Yeah, well, I never thought it would get so public. I just thought, well, I could thought it would get so public. I just thought, well, I could do this. Nobody's going to care. Yeah, right. That's not the case. Because that's what it is. It's like when people are saying their personal experiences with something like this,

it's like, that's the most valuable thing you can have as people telling other people being like, I did this. This is real, this worked, I did it. Yeah, that's true. That is true. And these were people that people respected, I think, too, and that goes a long way. Oh, absolutely. Did you feel lighter once you kind of started leaning into it

after suppressing for so long? Honestly, yes. Yeah, I could imagine. Because you know, it really sucks to not embrace parts of yourself, all parts of self. Like, you don't have to be an extra sister to feel that, you know? Absolutely. And we do that so often to like not be ridiculed,

or not be judged, or whatever. And I even had like a manager at the time, not my manager anymore, who was like, you will never tell people you do this because I'm a writer as well. I'm just like my mom. So you cannot tell, you can't go public with this. You can't tell people you do this because I'm a writer as well. I'm not just like my mom. So you cannot tell, you can't go public, but this you can't tell people you do this. Don't tell people in meetings like,

and I was like, oh, okay. But then eventually, you know, that catches up with you and you're just like, this is who I am. If you don't want to work with me, don't work with me. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm not going to hide this part of myself just to appease people. Right. You make yourself small for people.

Like so many people do that. We just like make ourselves so small to make other people feel safe. And that's not cool. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm still old for that shit now. Oh yeah. Lean and lean.

And it's funny that you said it happened when you were like 30. Because I always say that. I always tell her. I'm like something about 30. I just hit it. And I was like, why am I I just hit it and I was like, why am I doing like, why am I making myself

for other people? Like, like I need to, I need to be comfortable with everything I am. It was like I hit 30 and I was like, whatever. I can't wait for that. It's so true. You do, like you just don't care anymore. Yeah. It was the older you get, I feel the less you give a shit about others, people's opinions

and all. You hope for the best. But you know, but they're not the worst at the end of the day. It's like, it's none of my business. What do you think of me? Like, that is fine. Exactly. Exactly.

And it's so funny that I like coincided with that. It's so true. And the, I'll, I'll also say that you, when you are high frequency, you know how they are online like gurus that always tell you like, you got to love everybody and you got to forgive everybody and you know everything's the same. And like that is not true. Like the more high frequency you actually get, the less tolerance you have for bullshit. Like you just don't want it around at all. That makes sense.

I feel like I'm nearing that the closer I get to that. I'm 27 now, and I can see like every year the less and less tolerance that I have for stuff. Oh, yeah. I love that. That's true. Because it really does, like once you get to that place of just being like, oh no, like I don't give a shit.

Yeah, you don't like me, you don't like me like that's fine. You don't have to express that school. As long as I like me, that's what's good. As long as I like being the people I love and respect. Of course. That's it. Yeah, like my whole thought process is like, as long as my little bubble likes me and I like me, then like we're good. We're in the clear. We're good. Exactly. I totally agree with that. Yeah. Now, obviously it's spooky season. We're all excited about that. Oh, love it. You know, Sowing. We did a whole history on that. I think it was like a couple of years ago. Yeah. And during the autumn months, that's when the veil is the thinnest. And I've actually learned specifically from you on TikTok that right now it is currently the thinnest, like this is wild. And I think you said it's from here until like sometime in November. So for people who don't even

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stuff on the other side. And right now it it's the thing is it's been in years and there's a lot of reasons for that. It's so part of being able to read negative energy, I guess, like my side effect is that I can read when energy shifts in the world. So I always try to warn people about it and good stuff too. Like, oh, this is a really good time for you to be able to manifest things.

This is a bad time for that. You know, good stuff too, like, oh, this is a really good time for you to be able to manifest things. This is a bad time for that. You know, just stay home and sleep for five days. Right. So right now, it's the it's the thinnest because there's a lot of negative activity on the planet, just tonnets on the negative activity on the planet. Really kind of, I mean, we don't even need to get into it. Everybody knows. And then the flip side of that is there are a lot of people more interested in connecting. That makes sense. Those things work together to kind of

to kind of been energy out. So it's like there's a reach going on, if that makes sense. Like reach across to each other. Absolutely. And so the negative part of that, it well, depends on how you feel, I guess. But the negative part of that, most people feel, is that there's a lot of, you know,

not so nice energy trying to come through, so you'll get like, is that there's a lot of, you know, not so nice energy trying to come through, so you'll get like, visitations from entities, you'll get, you know, more stuff kind of like, I've been getting a lot more of my name called. Huh. It's like out, I'll hear it.

And a lot of people have been experiencing like, oh, I just heard my name and there's nobody here on different voices of that. That's so interesting. And a lot of like stuff moving around. experiencing like, oh, I just heard my name and there's nobody here on different voices of that. That's so interesting. And a lot of like stuff moving around. So like doors closing, you know, just you thought your keys were here, somehow they were here. That kind of stuff.

That's so that's really fascinating actually because we've had like some stuff going on in our family. And with my parents, they're good now, but like we had some stuff going on in our family and with my parents, they're good now, but we had some stuff going on the last few weeks and we were in their house, which is the house I grew up in. And it's like very old house. There was always stuff going on in there when we grew up. Nothing ever seemed threatening or bad.

It was always just innocuous things, but we've been in there kind of cleaning and help organize and stuff. And I specifically, and this has never happened to me. I've never heard voices in that house. I've never heard anything like that. And it's funny because I have. Yeah, and I never have.

But I was like, I believe you you have. I just never experienced it myself. And I was in one room of cleaning. And Ash was in another room across the way on the upstairs floor. And at one point, I heard a woman's voice go, hello, and it was like clear as day, and I was like, what was that? So I was like, ash, did someone just come in the door,

like our sister or something? And she was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, I just heard somebody just yelled, hello, when they came in the door. And she was like, I did not hear anything. No one came. It was just the two of us. And I was like, that was so clear.

Like what? You were shook by it. I was like shook by it. And I kind of pushed it aside. I was like, OK, that was weird. And then the other day, we went into the house again to talk to my parents. Totally different area of the house.

We were in the room. Me, Ash, both my parents. And they all saw me look to the left. Because I was like, someone's talking over there. Like, it was like a man's voice talking on my left and I couldn't figure out what they were saying but he was like so clear and I was like what is going on like what am I doing hearing this right like okay that's a perfect example because that it's just technically been thin since like September 15thish um but the

the Halloween is the thinnest yeah so don't people don't do stupid things. Please don't do stupid things on Halloween. That's all I'm asking. But you're we jabords away people. Like, you know, you know do we go from here? He's gonna plan. But yeah, it's so crazy that you're experiencing that because like even people and I don't think this is true of you, I think you all are very sensitive. But like there are people who are like walking around like boards. They're not sensitive at all. Like you're unconscious. And there I just heard this. I just heard this. That makes sense. It is crazy.

That really, that was like so validating when you started talking about like voices, I was like, okay, I'm not losing it. That's nice to know. I get that all the time in my house, my house was built in 1936 and it's so loud here sometimes like a two, three in the morning, you know, always like once a month at least someone's having a party in the living room. So we now have like a code for it in the house. We call it the anti-whispers. No, no, if you're like over the garden wall fans. I love that. Yeah, there's like a character called anti-whispers. So we're always a lot anti-whispers. Ganges. I love that. I love that so much. It's amazing. Just going for it. Damn, just like popping off at 2 a.m. Good for them. Yeah, I think I happen.

You're like, oh, okay, cool. Thanks. Okay. Have okay. Have a good time, I guess. Welcome, I guess. Yeah, like so loud. Yeah. Well, you, you use the term, and we've heard it a couple of times while talking to you right now, entities rather than like what people might think of, you know, demons or something. Right. And in your book, Sister of Darkness, which, by the way, is an amazing title.

I love that. Oh, so good. Immediately, I was like, oh, grab that book. You talk about entities like, you know, the Clive, Erase, Tricksters, Realm Walkers, Collectors. Can you kind of give us a little bit of the differences, what those things are, what their differences are, and kind of how you approach each one, if you approach them differently? Sure, yeah. So, you know, let's just be clear to like deceased people and entities or what people call demons are not the same thing. Deseas are just deceased their people, they're dead.

Right, just like that. Everything else is like not been people. They have an experience. They have a life style. Yeah, and it shows. So, Clives are the lowest, like, if you will, on the malevolency branch and intelligence. They are things that people pick up quite often. I call them Clives very scientific.

I call them Clives because to me, they look like Clive Barker drawings. So, I've just always called them sort of like something between like a brain and a facehugger. Yeah, if you can picture that. I can. Yeah. I soon as you said that, I was like, oh, I don't want one of those. And they're the easiest to pick up, unfortunately. They're like the smallest and the easiest to pick up. And people when they think about attachment or possession, they think about movies, right? Like, oh, it's like everything is going to hell really fast

and being out very obvious. That's not no entity works normally. So like with Clives, for example, it's like they attach, they're very small, they come in, they don't want you to know that they exist, they are very quiet, you know, it's not, it's very insidious, I guess is what I'm saying. Yeah, that makes sense.

A lot of people have Clives, it's very easy to pick up, so I would say, I don't even know now, like 85% of the population is walking around with a Clive and they don't even know. Not to be scary, but like... I feel like I definitely have a cliver too. Well, the word, the name clive is like so innocuous sounding that when you're... You know, you're just walking over the clive.

It's like, it's not, you know, he's just there. You're just saying enough. But what it does is it's an amplifier. So like if you're sad, you're depressed. If you're depressed is worse, you know. If you're sad, you're depressed, if you're depressed is worse, you know, if you're angry, you have rage and it just works like it's, and it feels really big, but it's actually very small and very easy, even for people to get rid of. Okay. Like they'll walk around with it and then get rid of it without even realizing. Oh wow. So you can just drop it. They kind

of like jump to the next person. Well, if you work on yourself even a little bit and you raise your vibration a little bit, like you have, I don't know, like six really good days in a row. Sure. Or you're like trying to be positive or you're trying to be like really nice to people for say, whatever your deal is, or you meditate six days, like it'll pop off. I love that. That is cool. Yeah.

So Clives are kind of like, you just have to kind of recognize that something is a myth. Yeah. And just try to rectify it a little bit within yourself. Okay. Luckily, like they're the leeches of the community, let's say, they're just trying to feed. It's just, they're just there. Yeah. You know, it's not personal.

You just try to sap your energy. Can you go back? Exactly. So, you start to starve your energy. Can you go back? You start to starve them out. They're like, yeah. On to the next. That makes sense. All right, I get that.

But then of course it goes up from there. Yeah, right. Like Ray the attachments are attachments that people get that are associated with night terrors and sleep paralysis. Oh, I've only had sleep paralysis. And night terrors since I had a little. And I had a paralysis. And I had a little. So that, you know, you know, not to get into anything, because we're not going to point anything out publicly here.

Our business area, right? That there's two ways or well, three ways to get that. So either you're in the house around someone who has it and you're an extra sensitive kind of empathic person. Or something sexual happened to you when it shouldn't. So people get that from, you know, unfortunately, molestation and all kinds of terrible things. and all kinds of terrible things. Or even abusive partners. Sometimes you'll get that from abusive partners. And then the last way you can get that, which is the most rare, but it does happen.

And I've seen it a lot of times here in my practice, if you will, linear trades. So it came down through someone in the past who had an encounter. And it's just hung around. That one feels like right. That does. Because we have a long line of people who hunger. That one feels like right. That does.

Because we have a long line of people who have also dealt with the same thing. And I've always been like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. And my kids had a few belts of night terrors, like pretty early on.

And then they went away. Right. And I was always like, oh, no, did I pass this? Well, you kind of, you confronted it head on, and it was like, you're not welcome here. Yeah, I just kind of was like, this isn't happening for you guys. So like, I'm gonna take,

because they had like night terrors, like the night terrors were, you know, they're awake but not awake. And they're just kind of upset. And we would just sit there and like, kind of hug them until they were calmed down. My poor husband had no idea what was going on because he had never experienced it when he was younger.

And it was usually maternal. It is almost all of that. It makes sense. Wow. Because his mom had the same thing going on. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense because they would then they woke up one night. We've told this story on the podcast before so the list had ever heard it.

But I one night they woke up and they were so upset the two of them, I have seven-year-old twins, and they were saying that a group of people came in their room and were trying to cut their sheets with scissors. And I was like, that is the scariest shit I have ever heard of my life, but in my head I was like, all right, you can't react to this,

like how you want to in your head right now, start screaming, right? I just run out of the house right now. So it's like, all right, I gotta take charge of this whole thing. And I was like, I don't want them to go through these, like I did. So it was like, all right. So it was like, where are they?

Are they still here? And they were like, they're right there. And they pointed into the hallway. And I was like, How did you, how bad? And I was like, my husband literally was like, that's on you, guys.

He was like, I'm not, nope. He's like, this is a you problem. He just stood in the corner and was like, how did you, how about that? And I was like, my husband literally was like, that's on you guys. Like, he was like, I'm not, nope. He's like, this is a you problem. He just stood in the corner and was like, oh, I don't see anything, it's okay. And I'm like, it's, so I was like, all right. So I walked into the, into the hallway where they said they were and I just stood there and I was like, are they here?

And they were like, yep, they're right there. And I was like, you guys are freaking out my kids. This is mean, this is our house that is their room. Those are their sheets. You can, whatever you're doing is not welcome. And like it's rude and I don't appreciate it. And we can all live together if you're not being assholes but you're being assholes and I was like, cut it out.

And then I was like, okay, you feel better? Never happened again. They never had another night terror. They never saw another thing. Awesome. And like also, my guess is that you all are high empaths, which means that you feel everything. And so when you're a high empath,

another thing that comes through is a lot of deceased people. A lot of deceased people will come through because deceased people love to talk. They're very chatty like they do not shut up. And so if they can feel that someone's a high-impact, even if you don't know it or even if you're like, nope, don't want that or whatever, they try to come through.

So it's very possible to that your children are high-impacts and like, I can see that. I can see that. I could definitely see that. Once it comes through and like talk to them or see them and they're not necessarily ready for that either. So scary. Yeah. Yeah.

And she's not the way to do it. Yeah. That's the thing about it. That's why you're that. Oh, thank. Oh, my God. It was so specific. That was the thing.

I was like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. That was too specific. And was the thing I was like wow, yeah, really just That was too specific when it comes on your kit when it comes when anything comes out of a child's mouth It's always like the scariest thing Yeah, oh, yeah, oh Yeah, yeah, I get so yeah, and they're like so open about saying it were adults Even if they thought we're like I'm not selling anybody

Right, but they're just like at the breakfast don't like how I can see that. Right. I'm not saying it, but they're just at the breakfast table being like, you know what I saw last night? It was wild. And they're like, this creepy. I want to run screaming into the night, but I'm not going to do that. But I'm like, it's fine.

Like our youngest member, Skeleton. Skeleton? Oh, yeah. She said she saw a skeleton, but her little voice would call him Skeleton. And she said he was a nice guy. And he hung out and smiled at her. And one day he left.

And she was like, do you see him anymore? Like I just asked her once. And she was like, no, he went to see his family. And I was like, oh, okay. And then he just never came back. I hope he did go to see his family. Good for him. Well, you know what's cool about kids too,

is that well, lots of things I guess, but they're very connected to spirit because they're the closest to spirit. You know, the older they get, the less connected because we kind of, well, maybe not anymore, hopefully, but when I was a kid, like people definitely were like, that's not real. So you stop opening yourself up to spirit.

But one of the things that's really great about kids is that they trust what they feel. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of what they see, because oftentimes disease people come in and even for adult people, that's too scary. They don't want to look at it or they'll come in kind of half-bore on, or they'll come in kind of look and weird or whatever. Yeah. And the responses, that's scary, shut it down. But kids are like, well, it looks like a skeleton, but it feels real good. I like these nice stuff.

These are nice, these are right. Are you smiling? Right, go with this. Yeah. It makes sense. I used to see so much more stuff when I was a kid. You did, yeah. But then I could tell I was scaring people.

So I was like, OK, maybe this is bad, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So it's nice when you kind of keep it going for kids. And I think more parents are a bit more spiritual now and are like, oh, saying like, tell me about it. Oh, does it feel about, you know, yeah, like asking more questions instead of just being like, no, like, yeah, just ask a little more better to lean in. Yeah.

Absolutely. And what about a trickster's sound? I don't know what that thought. Yeah, scared about that. Trixters are the ones that form symbiotic relationships with their person because they stick around. So tricksters are a little more malevolent because they're like, yeah, you can see what you want to see. So I've had clients who, you know, had imaginary friends. You know,

that felt not good. They had arc angels with them. I had a few clients who thought they had like genies with them like from childhood. I had one client who was, I think in their 30s, who was like, there's a horse with me. Horse since because they usually latch on in childhood and then keep going. Okay. So why wouldn't you think, you know, differently? Yeah. I had, I can't, this is so weird to say. Well, I guess all of this is weird to say, right?

But like nothing's weird. Like I had more than one client come in and be like, Archangel Michael is attached to me. Like, who goes with me everywhere? We go everywhere. Wow. And I'm just like, okay. And so to me, when I see a trickster with my eyes, they always look the same.

They don't look like whatever they're presenting to this person. They just kind of look like, I don't know. Like, it's so hard to explain but like like very tall very dark figures. So it always looks the same I'm not seeing the horse or archangel Michael or what have you know that grandpa or whatever whatever it is. So I'm like try try to be respectful about it because you know we're having a conversation, I like to have a conversation with people about what they feel is going on. And so they're, I'm like, okay, so, but how's your life going?

And they're like, oh, it's a shit show. Oh, I think you've got a 10-doll recommend. And I'm like, well, okay, so how do I explain? So, you know, if you had an archangel Michael with you out all times, but yet your life is reflecting a shit show. Right. Maybe it's not archangel Michael and you should take that out. Maybe he's just trying to make you think he's archangel Michael. Right. Exactly. And how they do that is they can again, this is like wild scary sounding shit shit but I'm so used to it. I'm like,

oh here is how we love it. They just were like, let's go. Yeah, they can kind of pull something out of your mind. So they scan your mind basically. Wow. And pull something you want out of it. So I've had situations where I had a situation where I worked on one particular like rock star and I've actually worked on several and they always think it's the same entity. They'll see something in their mind and be like this is what I have with me and I'll be like okay because it's like a famous, you know, like, demon, like, from pictures. Like, they'll be like, oh, I have this demon, this demon is the demon I want to. I bought him at the store. And I'm like, okay, and I'll just be like, it's really not that, but let's just take it

out. You know, I'm like, I won't even get into it. I'll just be like, you do, okay, let's take it out. So, I'm gonna be a trick OK, let's take it out. Yeah. I mean, it tricks her. It's a trickster. Then they'll be like, OK, cool. And whenever I take something out of people,

I also give them homework because we need to keep the energy up. Right. So it doesn't happen all over again. Now, entity touches in the first place is it's all energy. So we have our energy stuff is energy. Everything's energy, and we're

walking around life with what I call a baseline frequency. And so that's, you know, how we interact with ourselves, how we interact with the world, how conscious we are, like, how do we talk to ourselves, all that stuff matters. So, like, I don't know, if you're walking around, like, if it's a scale of one to ten, and one is dead, and ten is Buddha, you know, you know, you know, you're like a four. Yeah. Right. You know, good if you're out of four.

Give it at your best, go. Yeah. Thinking in out of four, like saying, yeah, maybe not be great, but you're like, you're there. You're here. So when we work on ourselves, we can raise that vibration. We can raise that frequency, but it takes time. So when we work on ourselves, we can raise that vibration. We can raise that frequency, but it takes time. So it's not fast. It's like, okay, I'm going to do this

every day and like try to do better. Right. But when we go through a trauma, that baseline frequency takes an immediate hit. And since we don't really believe in this in our society, we don't know how to handle that, like spiritually. Like, we barely know how to function through that. Yeah, accurate. So when that happens, unfortunately, that's kind of a double-edged sword. We're in low frequency space, and here's this low frequency thing that wants to attach. And so that's kind of how it happens. attached. And so that's kind of how it happens. Whenever someone leaves here, because we have to take that trauma signature out of the body as well as the entity out of the body so that we can raise that vibration for you so you're not just going to attract other things right away.

And so there's homework, right? So we want to keep that energy clean and rising. So whenever I've worked on people in the past, and I've done all the work, and I've given them homework, especially people that affect a lot of other people. So very famous, like people who affect a lot of people, I'm like, oh, please, please do the homework. But with a few people in particular, they would come back like a month later and be like, well, this demon came back. I don't know. Did you do the homework?

Definitely didn't do the homework. And then I'm looking at it and it's not the same trickster. Interesting. But because they stayed in the place that they were energetically and it scans the brain, it was like, oh, it's me again. Hi. Oh, yeah, it just knew exactly what to present us, but it's just a different guy.

That makes sense. But it's not because when I take them out, I don't give them the opportunity to keep going. You know, it's like, it's gone. It's gone. Who's done? I'm done. I'm looking at this and I'm like put your name on the board. You did not do your homework.

I'm not helping you next time. Exactly. Like I'm putting up like you passed a bad check. You're not allowed. You're on the red list. I welcome anymore. God. I'm not until you change your ways. Seriously. And you'd think once you get an entity, you removed from you and someone like you, like a professional is telling you, like, you should do this,

so like make sure another one doesn't come in. You'd think that you'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that and I'm gonna do more. Like I was gonna say you like research even more. I feel like I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna do it. Yeah, like some people are not ready. Yeah. Like they think that gives them something. Like that's what gives me creativity or that's what makes me write good stuff. And that's what makes me whatever. That's the answer.

It's like, that's not true. It's like the tortured artist special. Yeah. That is exactly. And they're making you think that they're, that you need them. Right, to do that stuff. Right, it's total BS.

And like, I explain that forever, but it doesn't necessarily matter. If you're not ready to let it go, you're not ready. And the funny, well, I don't know if funny is the right word, but like, you know, let's say I have an actor in here and you know, okay, we go through all of these processes to take this out and you have all the homework and he's like, Got it. I'm gonna do all this. I'm gonna do all this and you don't hear from them again. So you're like, okay cool cool cool. They're doing it. Then you go see their latest movie

Watching it and you see the entity. Oh Dude, oh my god, that's crazy. So you can even see things attached to people in TV shows and movies. Yeah, and photos. Wow. Is that really distracting for you? Is it hard to enjoy media? Yeah, it's so distracting. It's the one, that's the one thing I can't get over. Yeah, like I'm like, I Like I'm trying to stay in the moment with the story and all this and then I just keep seeing this thing. And like if it's a horror movie, I can kind of play it into the background.

Right, I'm looking for a part of the movie. Just there, nobody's acknowledging him. That's fine. That's fine. Interesting. But even like some kind of like, home art movie or something. Oh my God.

And to think about seeing that in a home arc movie, wow, the stark contrast there. Wow. So what happens? Totally happens because it's hosting the entertainment, not so hosting the person. I guess you're watching this girl fall in love with a guy who ends up being Santa Claus' son.

Of course. And there's like, you're like, I can see. Oh my god. My god. That's so wild. But then there's more, right? Like there are there's what are I love these names to these last two names are so ominous to me. Real walkers. Yeah, the worst of the worst. Oh, that's really. Real walkers are the worst of the worst. They can attach to people and spaces. Oh.

There were people I would, like from my point of view, consider the devil. Oh wow. So they're the movie style entity. They can carry spaces, and I think they're much more dangerous in spaces than they are in people.

I think the more any entity that carry spaces is much more dangerous because they're more malevolent, more intelligent, and can do more because they can do more spaces. With realm walkers, they can do anything an entity below them can do plus. And they can attract people, can influence people from miles and miles and miles away and in masses. Wow. Yeah, they're pretty spectacular. And they can affect people in the space, dozens of ways.

So they can, they're obviously feed off of high-foot traffic. It's always high foot traffic areas. So things that the lot of people go through because the ultimate goal is to feed from people. So in a space, you know, and I talk about in the book like the Cecil Hotel, which is downtown here in the Angeles, very notoriously bad place. One of the places that I really want to get in an exercise and like I've had a lot of resistance from every once changed chance so many times and I've had a lot of resistance from every single one because of that influence. They like to lean into it a bit. Yes exactly. So I mean

notorious murders have gone on there. Murderers have stayed there. The history is very vast and wild. You know, there's a there's rumor that the black dolly was attached to that place. You know, every time someone wants to compare it to, like, they just want to say, well, it's, you know, it's always been kind of a bad area. It's always had a lot of, you know, whatever clientele on, like, okay, but compare that to all of the hotel's legit right around it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. They too have had things. It's not like there's no crime there. But the crime does not match by far the sea so hot. No, no way. No. Especially that, you know, the Alisa Lam story of her being found in the water

tower. Yeah. And like to this day, they've done, I don't even know how many documentaries on this, trying to find a way that that could have actually happened where she closed a water tower onto herself. Yeah, great. And they still are like, well, we don't know, but that's, you know, we're downplaying that there's supernatural situations here. Of course. But there are supernatural situations there.

100% there is a road walker in that space. And but that's what it does. So like it'll like all the police will come and they'll investigate and they'll be like suicide. Yeah. Because that's it's like it's suicide. Yeah. It's like it's whisper. It's fine. You know, so that particular entity, there's not like a thousand of them or anything on the planet. They're pretty rare, but there's more than one. So it's not something I consider the devil, but it's certainly real bad. In the last one, I think, is the collectors, which to me sounds like the scariest, but you say realmless. It's the one down from the realm walker. So collectors, collectors are the most

interesting though, I think. And I deal with a lot of collectors in the work that I do, because I do spaces quite frequently. So collectors only hold space. They don't bother with people. That's not their thing. They're like, because realm walkers can also possess people and that's the movie style, right? That's like everything looks terrible, everyone's dying, it's horrifying. But the difference between movies and real life on those things is that realm walkers will only do that for future world changers. They don't have time for just that girl on that farm. They don't care about that at all. That's interesting.

That is really interesting. I only want the big time, because think about it, the most beloved one, and the most intelligent. Why are you going to waste your time? Yeah, sure. You're not a... So it's like, no. But collectors only do spaces, and they do spaces of mass trauma.

So a place where mass trauma has happened, a collector can do spaces and they do spaces of mass trauma. So a place where mass trauma has happened, a collector can come in and form. And what it does is it, it keeps deceased people in the space. So deceased people are never stuck. That's kind of a lie. It's not really a real thing. Okay. But they can stick themselves. If that makes sense. So, you know, like if they're like, I'm afraid to go on or I did something bad that was part of this mess trauma. So I think I deserve to be here

or they just don't know what, you know, they just don't have help or don't know. They just stick around. Yeah. So, collectors, what they do is they like to pick a high traffic space again. Lots of people moving through. They keep the deceased people and they'll have to use the deceased people

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Seriously. Just delegating. Seriously. We're going to cut him anything. Yeah. Nothing at all. Yeah, seriously. Just delegating seriously. I'm gonna cut on anything. Yeah. Nothing at all. Yeah. So what you have to do when dealing with um a collector's you have to release the deceased people first because you want to take the battery away first because it puffs it up a bit. You know. Right, that makes sense. All the deceased people out of the equation.

And that is just conversations with deceased people because they're just like us, but then, you just wanna have conversations with them and let them know, like, you don't have to be here anymore. This is not for you and whatever their fears are, kind of address them and help them. We'll talk about it. We've got to do that.

Yeah, a little talk therapy with deceased people. talk fairies. Yeah. Yeah, little talk therapy with deceased people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, it's, I don't know, it's important to do that. I think it's nice to do that anyway, because who wants to be in your own, your own hell, right? So we get them out.

And then by the time you get them all out, the collector really doesn't have a lot to stand on at that point. So he's kind of easy to remove. But it feels big when there's like a lot of people in the space. Certainly, when people go through those spaces, that's the kind of space where you feel kind of underwater when you enter. Oh, okay. I don't know if I have, but I've heard people say that.

Yeah. It's like your senses become very like, it really is just like your underwater. Wow. And it's very heavy feeling. Yeah. The Lizzie Borden house was like that. Actually, yeah, now that I think of it,

when we went there. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, there was a couple of rooms. Specifically rooms. Immediately, I think it was the stepmother's room. I'm serious. Yeah, we both were like, ooh, I don't want to go in there. Like it just had a weird, and I'd never felt that before.

I was like, oh, no, I don't want to go in there. And the whole time we were in there, it felt more and more threatening. Like you should get out of here. Yeah, you shouldn't be in here. You know, I've never been inside that house, but I do have feelings. Like I wonder what really happened there.

Because I don't know. I'm happy. Yeah, oh, okay. It's a real heavy. There's parts of it that you're like, okay, like this, you feel a little wonky in there, but like you're like whatever, but there's as you go up, it's like, yeah, like the upstairs harbors a lot more. And so does the basement. Yeah, we're doing some weird energy down there. Yeah. Well, and I guess that's a high traffic area technically, right? Because people go. Yep, absolutely. People like travel from all over just to spend the night. So make some. Yeah. So she's gonna go and buy into the whole. Someone was hiding in the attic. Yeah, the attic is. So we were supposed to stay in the attic. And I was like, I will not sleep up there. I will not stand up there longer than for the tour.

And then we're going downstairs. Yeah, she would not, like our room was in the attic. And we were like, no. And we just ended up sitting up in the sitting room. Actually, we're Andrew died in the exact spot. Just sitting up. But somehow that felt less threatening. Yeah, weirdly enough.

Yeah. The history of it. You might have been feeling a collector. That might be where he was hanging out, like his ex. Yes, weirdly enough. Yeah. The history was. You might have been feeling a collector. That might be where he was hanging out, like his action. Yes, I'm wonder. It's like, OK, I did an exorcism on The Reinhardt Mansion, which is the American Horror Story Mansion. Oh, yeah.

Oh, wow. And this was for a TV show for celebrity exorcism. It's a movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was just excited to go do the mansion. So I said, yes. So we, when they told me it was a house,

I was like, that doesn't usually have like an entity. You might have like ghosts, but I don't know. Yeah. Because you know, what house it was. So when we went, I was like, okay, I will actually feel this out and see if there is, but I didn't realize it is still a very high traffic area. And so there was an entity in that space, but it was in the basement. And it wasn't like, so normally when an entity holds a space, it can go through the whole space. It doesn't have any kind of parameters, but it'll have a place where it likes to hang out, and that's probably an erratic.

Yeah. Like here, this entity was actually forced down, because at one point it was a church, and there were nuns that stayed there, and they'd figured out that there was something in the space, so they had kept it down, and when they died, they stayed. Wow. It's like a whole thing. We went there a whole thing. So the nuns were on certain levels of the house and then this was forced to one level of the house. And by the time we got there to then I was to take it out, it was like much weaker than it would have been.

I did not fit in for all these nuns fighting for. That's amazing. But one thing that I did to you, which I thought was so interesting when this, I guess, is a, well, it's not there anymore, but back in the day when it was there, when it became the American Horror Story House, people used to go up to the gate and take pictures with that, because it just ends.

Like it's a very open fence, and you can see the whole house. So it would take little bits from people who took pictures, like it would feed tiny bits off of people because of a stuck. What? From people who come take pictures. So people would take pictures and then later complain, like they had just a small headache or just took out tired or just, it wasn't a lot.

It was just a bit. That's so creepy. I don't know if anybody's done that now. It was like, wait a second. I know somebody listening is like, I was a little scared of this. Oh my god, that was me. Yeah. I did that.

I fed him. Gosh, that's crazy. Oh my god. Wow. So are there specific signs to look out for that some specific entity is attached to you? You know, most people don't have high-end entities. It's not normal. You know what I think?

They don't have the crazy shit. People honestly don't know they have attachment at all. That's kind of a specialty of mine too. I love when people are just like, well, I feel blocked in my life. Or, you know, I haven't worked in a while. Or I can't find this relationship. Or my favorite one actually is, I've been having a lot of trouble conceiving.

I've helped so many people conceit, and I feel really proud of that because- Absolutely. Well, and it's such a big deal. Like some people are fine not having children all their lives. Like that's me I'm fine with it. But some people like that's all they want. That's the only thing they want. And that's me.

So if you have trouble, that's the worst feeling because you're like, why is this happening to me when I get's so easy for somebody? Oh, so I've had a lot of clients come in who had tried everything, spent so much money, had so much hardship or just like, I can't. And you know, like I live here in Los Angeles and people have money and so they'll go to the ends of the earth, spend whatever it takes. And when it's not working, it's so frustrating because it's like, you're trying to get hard. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I don't know what else to do. So word of mouth has sent a lot of people here for that. And so it's so interesting because so many times, they'll be like, well, they're telling me my ovaries are this or like this is happening. And so, you know, every time or they can't find anything, you know, like it's one or the other. Like it's this dire situation where this will never happen for me. Or like they can't find any reason why this isn't happening. But when they come in here, I go through my emotions, you know,

so when we do the working here, I go through my emotions. So when we do the working here, there are moments where I have to put my hands on people. I always warn them, like, I'm going to put my hands on you. Because if I see these blocks or these spaces in the body, like, I want to pull it out. I don't want it in the body anymore. So like oftentimes when people come in and I've even had clients come in who don't want to tell me anything, right? Very skeptical clients that somebody just had a good experience.

And so they said, you should go and they come in and they're like, I don't want to talk about anything. Let's just get. So I'm like, okay, fine. Let's just get this done. One of those clients was a client who could not conceive. But I didn't know this, right? So they didn't know this, right?

So they didn't tell me anything until I just started working. So I kept putting my hand in the same place because over like the left, over area, there was all this darkness and I was like, I'm not leaving that in the body. Like I didn't know what the plan was here but I just don't like leaving any of that in the body. Yeah.

Well, I just kept going there every round that I was doing this, like that was where it was so concentrated. And at the end of it, this client sat up and was like crying. And I was like, why did you keep touching me here? And I was like, I said the same thing. Like, I just saw a darkness. And I don't like that in the body. And so that's what I took out.

Right. And they were like, I have been trying to have a baby for two years. I don't know what is going on. Doctors have told me that it's not possible. They've told me my ovaries are basically dead. Like, that particular one is the worst. And like, I don't know what's to do. And everything that came in from spirit, because finally we were able to talk, right, was like issues and trauma with their mom. It had so many issues and trauma with their mom that the body was stopping that from happening on a energetic level because that hadn't been released.

because that hadn't been released. Oh wow. So I was like, listen, there is a hundred percent of baby coming in. Like there is a baby there. They're just waiting for the opportunities. So let's work on that here and we took all this stuff out. We did all this, whatever. And I get a call, I don't know, a few months later. And it was like close to the holidays and they were like, can I come in? Can I come back? And I was like, you know, I guess so. Yeah, come back.

Back and I was like, what happened? Like, what's going on? And they were like, well, I'm pregnant. Oh my God. I just got chill. I just got like a boom. And they were like, you know, I just wanted another one just to keep things. Make sure it's all safe and healthy. Yeah. And I would say that's probably happened. I don't even know. Maybe a hundred times over the last few. Wow.

Okay. That's incredible. That makes so much sense though. Listen, it's not the only thing, right? It is not. Of course. It's not the only thing that causes or aids in those kind of like infertility or mental illness or any of those things, but it's part of the equation and we just don't acknowledge

that enough in our culture. Like we don't acknowledge that, oh my god, all this stuff that we're holding in the body can be harmful to us. It's not attachment, even if it's just old shit. Like, because we're taught to stuff down trauma so much because this society is like, get past it, get over it, you know, move on. There's more to do. Like that happened a year ago. Yeah. And it's, what does that mean? That doesn't mean anything because getting over it means you're not getting through it. And if you're not getting through it, how are you healing it? You're not. You're just keeping it. It's just stuck somewhere inside of you. I tell you that literally all the time. She does. Well, it causes so much like anxiety

and depression and all of that too when we do that because it takes so much of us away. Like it causes such unworthiness and like inner child damage and so much. It comes out different ways. Like I'll have clients who come in and like, I don't know. Like I love my, my like ladies, my ladies who come in just like, yeah, because you know they come in and they're like, you know, I do everything for everyone and I feel like really good about it. But I just don't know like I'm so sad and I'm like, you're not sad. You're fucking angry.

Yeah. Is there doing nothing for yourself? Right. But you've been socialized to not be angry. That's not an accessible emotion for people who are socialized girls. Right? It's like you're not allowed to be angry. God forbid a woman be angry. And so they're like, well, I don't know why I'm crying all the time. I'm like, because you want to scream, because you want like, a lot of centers to come in and like tell everybody to fuck off.

That's not how it's so relatable. It's very relatable. Do you have people to be angry? Like, please be angry. I love that. You need to lean into it. Feel it if you feel it. True.

I mean, that's what it's like, because that's what I tell my kids. Like, I have three girls and I'm always telling them I'm like, if you feel angry, be angry, man. I got to feel your emotions. I feel your emotion out to be angry in the South. Like, you don't have to tell me you're not. So I feel like it's, I feel like there's a new generation of parenting. That's hopefully going to be like, I, because I know a lot of people, all my friends, who have kids are doing the same kind of thing where it's like, just let your kid feel how they feel.

Like, right. Inlet, tell them I don't know. Add, no, right. People think that help them identify it. No, right. People think that. And they're also taught that like, from the spiritual, the same spiritual gurus, like, oh, that's a low frequency emotion. No.

Actually, it's a high frequency emotion when used correctly. We're not saying like, go be abusive to people that. No, never. But just feel it. Yeah, being allowed to feel it. And I always tell people too, like, when. But just feel it. Yeah, being allowed to feel it. And I always tell people to like, when they think there's entity around, like whenever they think they feel like

they're when you feel sensitive and you're just like, Oh, there's something here, I don't like it. I don't like it. You tell it to fuck off. I love you. Fuck you. Fuck off. And I'm like, use the words, use those words. And the reason why is because that steps you into your power, that raises your vibration, that's how you get it gone. Yeah, that makes sense. It makes perfect sense. That's how I got them gone from my kids' room.

That's how you did it. I was like, you're being really fuckier and I don't appreciate it. You have to stand your growth. Yeah. We are much more powerful than we think we are. It's true. It makes perfect sense.

Do you have any specific tips for people to avoid having an entity attach itself other than telling it to fuck off? So again, like in movies, and not that this doesn't happen ever, but it's more common the other way. Like in movies, it's always like this nice, little religious child who,

and you know, needs to be corrupted by demon. It's so excited about corrupting this each child. That's not usually how works. So the best way to not get an attachment normally, you know, in normal cases, is just not to be an asshole. That's so easy. You know, because it sounds so cheesy, right? But it's like, you know, being kind to yourself with your inner dialogue, being kind to people out in the world, like helping a stranger,

if you see someone needs help and a struggling with something, you know, buying someone a coffee if you can, like, you know, giving up your seat on the bus, like very simple things to, to protect yourself because every time you, you create kindness, it's the opposite of what that entity is looking for. So it really is what's again, is like little things to not only raise your vibration, but starts to raise the dynamic around you and trickles it

out of people. We're like in a society right now that is incredibly selfish. Overall, it's not everybody that thank God, but we see the effects of entity every day. Let me tell you right. Oh yeah, big time. So being selfish is the easiest way to get entity

and attachment because you're so insular and unconscious about everybody else's experience. The more we open ourselves up to other people's experience and the more we allow that in and we're like, oh, actually, wow, this person's also having a bad day today. Like, I can relate to that. I'm not going to get something worse to deal with with my attitude or my whatever. You know, that helps you not get attachment. That's it.

That makes sense. Yeah. And it's easy. Just jumpy a dick. Just don't be a dick. When you think it's easy. I know. It's well, it's not for some people.

And if you're having a bad day, I guess, you know, well, Ian, you saying like they, one of the important parts of that is being kind to yourself. That's the hard part. Which I think is one of the hardest things. I think it's much easier not to be addicted to people around you. Other people, right.

But I am very guilty of being a complete asshole to myself all the time. And like I like ashes of my like self-care guru. She's always telling me like self-care is important. And I've been trying to listen to her. Because you do so much for everybody else. And I'm like, hello. And I can be really critical of myself.

Like I get imposter syndrome a lot. I'm constantly being like, yeah, no, like why do you don't deserve that? Like why are you getting that? And so I'm constantly having to come and I can feel it how negative it is when I do that to myself. So I'm especially lately, I feel like you've been like, I'm going to give it to Ash. Ash has been helping me to be like

No, no like be kind to yourself I Yeah, it feels better and I feel like I'm a better person when I'm kinder to myself of course It's weird. I told Elena and maybe you can explain this to me I woke up in the middle. This is so strange and I've never Really had an experience like this, but I woke up in the middle of the night and I've never really had an experience like this, but I woke up in the middle of the night a week ago maybe, and I just said to myself,

Alaina needs to do Ricky on her stomach, and I should tell her that. And then I was like, I was barely conscious. It was just like, I woke up, had that thought, fell right back to sleep. And so I told her the next day. And I said specifically on her stomach, and that was the only thing that came through, I guess.

But I don't know where that came from. I mean again, high empaths in your soul links. Yeah, that's true. I made some wild dream or some wild situation going on and you must have felt it. Yeah, I was just like crazy. I felt that. Yeah, like you just right, because she told me as soon as we got to work the next morning, she was like last night, I woke up in the middle of the day and you need to do this and I was like wow yeah

that I should do it and it was like specifically your stomach. I just think I woke up and this happened and you got to go do it and not be like this thing to that right away. Yeah right as soon as she said I was like I should do that and you said you've been and I didn't even know but you said like you've had some stomach stuff going on lately. Yeah, because it's been, we've been so stressed out in the last few weeks, so I was a tribute, and I'm sure it was mostly because of that, that I've just been like,

like I never have stomach issues. Like I am a very, like my stomach's like steel. Oh, I got like, I'm like my dad, I can like wake up in the middle of the night and eat buffalo chicken, and it's fine. Oh, I wish. But the last couple have just been like, oh, like I'm just my dad, I can like wake up in the middle of night and eat buffalo chicken and it's fine. I wish. But the last couple have just been like, oh, like I'm just like feeling off.

And I think it mostly is because of stress. But I was like, oh, maybe I should do that to help me out. Yeah, absolutely. And you're going through, you're going through a thing. So sometimes that makes you just more susceptible to everything. So you probably got hit in that and was like,

oh, nope, we gotta get that before I get hit. Nope. It's true. I love that. Look at us just being connected and we got to get that before I get it. Nope. It's true. I love that. Look at us just being connected and shit. Look at that. I love it. That's so cool.

So now that we know a little bit more about all the entities themselves, what does a typical day for you? I mean, because this is your whole last job. What is a typical day for you look like dealing with all of these different things? Well, you know, if it's a space, I get called to do the space. I go and unless I know whatever's there is there, I kind of go take a look see at the space.

And then, you know, diagnose, I guess, if you will, what would needs to be done and what I need to bring and how I need to do it. I don't like taking other people. So I'm always kind of alone wolf in the situation. I don't like being responsible people, so I'm always kind of alone wolf in this situation. I don't like being responsible for other people's safety, because in spaces since an entity can hold a space, they can take that whole place down if they want to. I mean, I've been in spaces where they take and sink sock walls and done all kinds of, so they don't usually attack you with themselves. I've only had that happen once, but they'll pull stuff to attack you.

You know, so if you've got a lot of people around, that's harder to control. Yeah. Yeah. Higher probability of getting an injury. It's a lot of it cause a lot of mass sickness to like mass, mass, whatever, whatever or injury, yeah, just everything. So I like to go in by myself, which is not the most fun. Yeah, I know.

You're brave. It's like you don't have a backup. Yeah. So you're just like, okay, occasionally, I'll go into it. The space is really bad, like with one medium, so I don't have to do that work. While like if it's a collector, I can let the medium sort of handle those while I work on just the entity. So in a space depending

on how big it is, that could last 13, 14 hours. Wow. And stop once you start not on a person or a space. Wow. Okay. And why you thought? Well, because it starts to agitate the entity that will start fighting back. And so I had that happen. So like I said, when it's a space in particular, an entity can control people on mass. So I clean a lot of sets. I'm asked to do consulting on a lot of horror films.

That's TV shows because they're like, we're recreating this horrible, terrible thing in the space or in another space. That's why I would do just as bad. And so we wanna make sure that we don't have trouble. Yeah. I was doing one of those spaces, actually this is twice, a space like that.

And I'll go on to set, I'll bring my little tool, okay, I'll get all my resins and all my BS and like, you know, start setting up and inevitably, well, at least in these two times, I keep thinking it's going to happen again, though, I just keep thinking it's going to happen again. I'll have somebody come up to me and say, oh, who are you? And I'll be like, well, this is what I'm here for. This is what I'm supposed to be doing. And they'll be like, oh, no, no, we're not doing that today.

We can't do that. Like, it's a fire hazard. Or it's a, you know, I wasn't told about this. Or you're not on the list. Or you know, whatever. And I don't argue with that anymore. I just go, okay. And I pack my little stuff.

And I leave. And then, all hell will break loose that day. Oh my god. Come back. That people will get injured. Cameras won't work. They won't pick up audio or they'll be picking up audio from someplace.

They shouldn't or they'll see something they shouldn't be seeing or just something will happen. And I will get a call hours later. That's like, why aren't you here? And I'm like, oh, somebody sent me home. I yeah, but everybody knew you were coming. Every single person that like, we had a whole meeting about this. Like, they shouldn't have sent you home. So they're like, come back. So I will go back. And that same producer will come up to me. And just like looking at the floor, saying, I knew you were coming. I don't know why I said that. I don't know what she'd about.

Oh, that's fucking creepy. That is definitely the shock in the face. Like they're practically tears like I don't know what the book. I think I may have been possessed. Oh, that's so sweet. Shit. That's happened. Yeah.

Wow. That is like I can't send me. Oh, that did seriously. That's happened. Yeah. Wow. That is like, I can't send me. Oh, that did. Seriously. That's intense. So you've been doing this for a while and you've kind of already touched upon a couple. Are there any particularly or can you point to one particularly memorable or challenging experience that you've had in your whole journey? Yeah, yeah. So I keep a journal of like my scariest exorcisms. Because I don't want to forget this shit. Like in case you does again.

Right. And I, okay, so one time, and this is so bizarre, it wasn't even that long ago, it was like a couple years back, never happened before, Never happened since. So it was like its own one off situation. I was contacted to exercise a space. And this was like a not a hotel, but like a very big in. And I have to sign NDAs when I do spaces quite often

just because their spaces, their places people go. They do know. They don't want like a bad reputation. They get it. Like they just don't want. I'm very proud to say I don't sign a lot of NDAs even with very famous people.

They trust me, but spaces are like a whole different story. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, you know, I was called into the space. They were like, there's a lot of shenanigans going into the space. Like, we've had a lot of workers in the space that, like, keep crossing themselves and we'll go back and, he's falling off ladders and they're seeing shit. And, you know, it was a sight of a mass fire at one point, like, way down.

It was a really old place. And they a mass fire at one point, like way down. It was really old place. And they'd rebuilt it and rebuilt it, like kind of, you know, different ways. And they'd built it before. And now there was somebody coming in who wanted to restore it to its old glory. And, you know, so they were going to open like the next week. And they were like, we need this out. Whatever this is needs to go. Because all my money's tied up in this.

And like, we need this out, whatever this is, needs to go because all my money's tied up in this. No, like, I'm real. So me being cocky at this point, I was like, no problem, yeah, fine, I can get one in it. You know, little did I know. So I went into this space and there were a lot of deceased people in the space, like a ton of deceased people in the space, like a ton of deceased people in the space. And you all once touched upon, I think it was like an Ohio episode,

because Ohio is the craziest, most haunted place, and I don't know why Ohio. You got a lot going on. Ohio does. Ohio is crazy. It is crazy, but you had touched upon how somebody had said a story about like they could see only part of the ghost because the place had built. And so, you know, was that like, Paul Feeeg episode? Yes, yes it was. Yep, good call. coolest person on earth also. The best, the nicest human. And so much. So I've never met him, but it is a dream.

He's a nice kind human. He's truly. So yeah, so in this space, it was kind of like that. So you'd see deceased people, but because they built back a differently, you know, like you'd see like part of the deceased person, because the other part was like on a different floor now, or like you just, like, is coming deceased person because the other part was like on a different floor now or like you just like coming down from the ceiling. Right.

You know, it used to be the floor. Like, oh, right. Exactly. Yeah, which is always like, you're, it's weird even to me now when I see that because I'm like, is that an impact? Because usually it's an imprint. So that just means like, they're just reenacting something that they did. So that's why they, they don't move.

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Like, because you were just like, oh, it's not so bad. Yeah, I was like, oh, it's in print. Okay, like this is fine. And then wherever this entity is, I'll just get this guy out. That is not what happened. Um, so I can't get into all the specifics of it, but let's just say that these ghosts in particular were not at all imprints, and they were actually malevolent.

They've been turned completely malevolent. They were not themselves at all, like whoever they'd been in on, they were never that anymore. Wow. The entity that held the space is the only entity that has ever actually harmed me by touching me. Whoa, away. I have a scar on my hand, like you can't, I don't know, see it, but there's like a line here.

Yeah. It gripped me and it was like a burning sensation down my hand and it was like so jarring that I don't even quite remember exactly how I reacted to it. I know I took a step like I stepped away and pulled my handbag, but it left this like kind of bloody opening. Wow. Again, to this day, I've never dealt with that again. It's not normal. It's not their normal behavior. So I continued working. I thought about leaving like so many times, but I do feel kind of an obligation to do the work too.

So I was like, well, shit, you know, there's gonna be like 100 people here, you know, next week, I can't just leave it like one of my posts. I could get worse.. Yeah and so it was controlling all of these deceased people but again not like any collector I'd ever seen like these people were like full possessed. It was crazy. Like they were like deceased possessed people. Wow. So they also were trying to harm you and also trying to be in the way and like normally when you release them they're like oh thanks you know this, they're like, oh, thanks. You know, this time they were like, you don't want that, you know, like we're not going.

So I had to leave that portion of it to do its own thing and just work with the entity and it was hard, it was hard to get this entity out. It was long story short, this entity was attached to something that was in the space, which is a very specific to this place thing, so I can't say what it was, but it is very old and it was used for something it should not have been, and so there you go. And so this thing came in, and it took me so long and it was so draining to do the work to get it out. And it finally was out. And so I left there like, fucked up. But like, oh, I did it. At least I did it, right? Yeah. So everything's fine, fine, fine. And no incidences happened again. And I'm like, oh, okay. So that was that. I don't know what it was. I'm not quite sure

exactly, but it's done. I didn't love that, but I'll write. It turns out that it was not done. It's technically out of the space, but I have seen it around me quite a few times. So around me quite a few times. So I'm at this point like, oh yeah, I did a good job, I guess take it out, but like it didn't destroy it. And now I'm like, is it worse that it's out? Oh, that's scary. Oh, that's terrifying.

Wow. Like at least then it was in the space. You know what I mean? Right. And I still had a touch to the object anymore. The object's still in the space. You know what I mean? Right. And that's a lot of touch to the object anymore. The object's still in the space. Yeah. Wow.

And now it has a personal problem with you. So that's absolutely terrible. Sure does. Sure does. Wow. So it's clear that very clearly, you're on manumerous occasions when I'm just driving.

And there it is. Or like, just, you know. Oh, that's so scary. So do you have a process afterwards when you finish this kind of work to, I don't know, write it yourself somehow? Yeah, so I have protective tattoos

that normally work. Oh, that's awesome. That's really cool. Yeah, and they face inward. So you're not for other people, they're for me. And that has helped a lot since I've gotten those. But also, you know, mineral hot springs really help for me. Like, it sounds weird, but like detoxing.

No, it makes sense. I've seen that a lot lately. It's like trendy on TikTok. Per goes. I don't know. Just in general, I've seen people doing like mineral baths and they're like shocked by the shit that comes out of them. Yeah, no, it's really it's really helpful and I have one that I like that's like three hours away from here. It's not too far. So that's really helpful. The next day after I work, especially if it's a very difficult space or challenging person, I don't really move much. Like I have to recover because it takes so much out of you. Yeah. It's to do this that I'm just like there is no way I'm responsible for anything. Yeah, just a little already. Yeah, not. And depending on like a space like that, that takes a lot a lot of recovery time.

I'm more time than anything, just allowing that negative to leave, if you will, from your own body, because there's a certain amount that you take in when you take it out of someone else. That makes sense, yeah. Absolutely. Wow. Yeah. This is fascinating. This really is. This is just like fun. This really is. This is just like fun. And I have to ask, because you mentioned how you can like see these entity attachments on like film or in a photo, all that. Do you see entity attachments over Zoom right now? Because this room in particular, this is our recording area.

We've had to move it around a lot in like shift energy a little bit. Because it was a point we had this very differently set up. And here is moving over there. There's a doll of ash over in the corner and it has like string hair. And every now and then the hair will just move around. It just started as you said that. But we also get like our weird, our like our machines will make weird noises. Like we have a roadcaster and it has a soundboard and the left or the applause track will play sometimes

at like very specific times. But it will also cut off and there's no way to cut off the sound. To possibly make that happen. So there's been some weird things that we've been like what's going on in here. I don't see entity in there per se and if anything were dangerous I would have told you like right on the job But you do have a lot of deceased people around you. Oh, I love that so that's interesting because Mikey our Assistant has cleansed this space so many times and he invites our ancestors in here. He always invites like That's why so of course, they're like we're so proud. We're just gonna hang out They're just hanging out.

I think we've actually asked before, because one day was like a weird day. It's kept happening, like things just kept happening. And I think we used like a little, was it called a pendulum? Pendulum to ask, like, are you like a bad thing in here? Like, like, are you, are you,

I think we were like, are you like a family member in here? Yeah, so we were like, okay, I'll go with that. Especially if it's putting on applause like a month. Yeah, it's just like a job. But that's the thing. We're like, it's got to be. It seems to be leading us in like good ways because we'll be leading us. We'll be trying to figure something out and we'll be like debating it. And it will applause at one of the choices.

And we're always like, oh, we're listening to the roadcars. It happened right before we went on with you, actually. It did and it hasn't happened in like a month. Yeah, and we were saying it the other day, like, I don't know if they left or like what happened. And then it just happened right before we sat down for this and we were like, oh, well, shit. That is so funny. Yeah. So it's like, telling you, like, I'm here. Here I am. It's going on. That's really cool. I love that. That's good to do.

And they also like to make themselves known, especially when you're having like a bit of a time. You know, that makes sense. We're always having a bit of a time. I think they're, yeah, I think they're just like, hey, they're here to hang here. That's probably why I don't see entity there is because your, your hell was having a time.

So you're just like, I'm so used to having a time. I'm just, I don't see entity there is because your your hell was having a time. So you're just like, I'm so used to having a time. I'm just I don't have time. Yeah, it's just like we try to sail through it. Yeah. We're always cleansing the space or Mikey always is. Yeah. For Mikey. You cleanse with your space. Do you know? Do you do Palo Santo? Yeah. Palo Santo usually. And that's what I use at my house. Cause I know Sage has like specific rules. And I never want to fuck it up. I just don't think it's as strong as polo Santo.

Really? I think polo something. It's a lot stronger. And then if you really want to go there, you burn a cup of pow and then frankincense right after. Okay, I have a ton of frankincense. So I'll bring some over to the pub. Love. Yeah, we're trying to keep it chilly. I'd like to share that a lot. That takes entity out of the space if it's mild. Oh, love. Yeah, we're always trying to keep it, I like, I like to share that a lot. And that takes entity out of the space if it's mild. Oh, I'm like, it's sorry, what was the first thing you said? Opaul, CEO, or

or adding it to my cart. I know. I'll read the announcement, whatever, whatever you enjoy. I'm gonna go to the local witchy store that we have around us. I'll get some. I love that place. So,

I'm gonna put it on the little discs. So good. We're on the little discs. What's up? Or just the little discs, you know, the these guys? Oh no, we don't have those. We need to get them. So if you have like an ashtray or whatever, these are so good. And you burn the loose resins.

Oh. Also resins, it's like an amber resin. So you just throw it on the disc. Oh, I like sweet. Okay. Oh, I've to. I've got a smoke detector. I have to check them. Yeah.

I've been there. Don't open some windows. I've done that before and my fiance Drew is like, really? Did you have to do that right now? Yeah. Everyone's in a while. John will come up here to ask a question. He's like, what's happening?

He's like, it's real smoky in here. What is this smell? It's like a cleansing. I'm cleansing. I'm like, what is cleansing? It's a busy right now. Okay, don't ask questions. What is cleansing, John?

So going off about, do you have any advice for anybody who might feel like they have a similar gift to you? Yeah, you know, just try not to block things out. You know, people think they're safer when they shut things down. The reality is that's not true. So, for example, I post on my Instagram frequently about, and also on TikTok now, my 30-day connection to Spirit, because people are always like, I don't know if I have an entity,

I don't know if I need to raise my vibration, or I wanna just talk to my spirit guides, or my deceased loved ones, which is your natural birthright gift, by the way. Everyone comes in with it. So I'm like, okay, here's how you do it. Where you're gonna sit down for 30 days, for five minutes a day,

and you're gonna ask spirits to enter your body, and it's just a couple of steps, right? And I'll always get Somebody putting in the comments like this is devil shit when you ask spirit to enter your body This is like bad. You don't ask your cuz you'll invite something bad into the body The response is always that's not true and the reason why it's not true is because you're talking about the difference between high beings, you know, angels, ascended masters, however you phrase it, right? High frequency beings versus low frequency beings, low frequency beings do not need your consent. makes sense. Yeah, they're just going to come there. If they're not going to wait for you to do it. The fact is, if you're the more unconscious you are, the better off they are, right? But high beings, they care about your free will. That's why you have to ask them for help. That makes so much sense. Until you ask, they want to, but they respect you, and they want you

to walk your path. However, you want to walk your path. So you have to ask them they want to, but they respect you and they want you to walk your path however you want to walk your path. So you have to ask them, come in, please come in. And help us. So that's the difference. So I always say, you think, you know, even if you don't think you have a gift, you do. That's the thing. Even if you don't, you are born with the ability to speak to your spirit guides and to see loved ones.

It is your birth, right? You may not remember how to do that. You may not think you do, but if you do this, that will open up for you again. That's so I encourage everybody to do it. And also like, if you're feeling stuck, if you feel low vibrational, if you're not sure if you have attachment, like, it's so easy, it's free to you.

Yeah. And it takes this little five minutes a day. It's awesome. You know, it's something I do. It's something they taught me to do. Right. I'm going to do that now. I know. I really love them. I'm going to do that now. That's really cool. And you know, I'm sure like you were you were just mentioning like people will be like, that's devil shit. I imagine that you get some pushback and some criticism from people who are not open to it,

who are skeptics. And what do you do to kind of either ignore it or what do you do to kind of not let it affect your vibrations, like not bum you out or make you angry. Yeah, like I get both sides. So I'll get like very religious people who tell me that this is also devil's work, you know, because it's like I'm not a man, I have boobs, I don't know, I'm like a non-denominational kind of situation. Well, yeah, right, I work I would say even multi-denominational is probably more Yeah, then you know because everybody's welcome here like hell yeah, yeah But like I even get a you know how DMs are you know who slides into the DMs like

That's like you look how you look so they are for I can say whatever I want For the opposite where you have people who are like, this is bullshit, whatever. Don't believe this. This person's just like doing whatever, I don't know. Yeah. So for me, it's like I'm not trying to convert you.

I'm not, if you believe it, find. If you don't find, that's okay. Like it doesn't affect my work. You know, like it's doing the work. Yeah, yeah. You don't have to believe me. In fact, you know, don't. Who are open to it.

The people who are like, you know, maybe there is something more in the world than I experience or think I experience. I think those people are the people who benefit the most because I don't know, it's kind of sad for people who are so closed off that they're just like, there's nothing but this life and that's it and everything that you see and that's all. It's like, that's awful. I feel like that sucks. Yeah. Like like why wouldn't you want to be open to beings who want to help you and guide you through life and want you to know that you're supported and not alone? Right, it is a very nice feeling. I love the feeling very nice idea.

Yeah, because you know, that's the truth though. Yeah. Is the truth like they're there if you want them to be. So like I get that it's it creates a whole lot of cognitive dissonance, right? If you've been taught like the world is one way and then someone's like here, different way of looking at the world and some people you know looking out here in the world or like, I can't possibly question my beliefs. That would be terrible. Yeah. Not every couple of.

But I think if you if you are a person who's open to like going, well, I don't know, maybe. Yeah. That's all it takes. It's down a road of something really beautiful. It's true. That's all it really takes is just going, maybe, possibly. I don't, I don't know. Like I think it's hard to say that you know everything.

That's the thing. We heard. You just can't possibly be a little open to, like, I don't know everything. So there's a very real possibility that there's something beyond my world scope that I don't know about. I don't know why that's difficult, but I also do. Why apologizing or taking responsibility for nonsense is difficult. But so that people are difficult. You got it.

You got it. You got it. Girls, they get it. It's so true. I think your question is next. Oh, sorry. It is. I was just liking.

So our last question for you actually, or I think it's the last. Yes, second to last is, what do you hope that readers are going to take away from your book sister of darkness and your experiences as a modern exorcist? Oh, my gosh. Um, I guess I hope the thing that they take back with them the most is that, yes, okay, we all exist in the world with all of these things, right? That's just how it is. But at the same time, you are so much more powerful than you think that you are.

I love that. At the same time, you are so much more powerful than you think that you are. I love that. We have the ability to keep ourselves safe. We have the ability to live our dreams. We have the ability to manifest things. All of this is in the same realm. So yeah, you have all of these low things, and that sucks, and that can be a trouble.

Yeah, right. Well, have all of these great things. You have high beings. You have the ability to create what you want and visualize it for the world. And you are strong enough to do that one person at a time. You know, it doesn't, we don't have to do it all together at once to make a difference in the world. One person you could difference every day. I love that. That's a great thing to take away from that.

It's like very inspiring. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I know I took a lot away from it. So I know I know anybody who reads it will take just that away from it, I would say, 100%. Thanks. So I appreciate that. Absolutely. And honestly, because it was such a great book, and this has been such an amazing conversation, like you're a fascinating and bad-ass human, really. Magical human. Uh, can you, do you have any upcoming projects coming up, you know, like anything related to you, your work as an exorcist, your work as an author, anything? Yeah, so, uh, well, one of the things that we're working on right now is taking that journal of mine,

my scariest, most challenging stories, and bringing that to a feature. So yeah, so I'm really excited about that and you know trying to do, trying to share with the world, I guess, because I feel like, I don't know, whenever we see extraces of on-screen, right, it's really similar. It's like almost always the same kind of story and the reality is even just talking today, like there are so many other kinds of myriad of things.

Yeah. Oh, many. And I think, I can't speak for everyone, but like as a horror lover, you know, at a horror writer, like every time I watch them, I'm like super psyched for something different and it's so rarely something different. And I'm just like, as an exorcist, I'm like, damn, this is different. You know, now we're actually doing that. We're literally doing that as we speak right now.

Yeah, I'm super excited about that. Like, I have our own series of cool shit to show you. That's totally dope. I'm excited for that. That's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, and then I've been working kind of, not again, not in secret, but it's not really been announced.

We've been working on the sister of darkness scripted TV series for the last five years. I'm partnered with like the coolest smartest person who ever was Angela Adlin. Oh my God, lots of things, but most recently better things. And we've been working on a horror comedy for for effects for the last few years. And we've been writing and writing and writing away, like trying to get the most perfect vibe. I think it's a little bit of a toast to the line between actually so scary and horrible. And we're going to show you how horrible and scary that is, but also really funny and safe feeling. Oh, I love it.

I love when there's a dark comedy element. That's always really cool. Yeah. Yeah, but like, you know, dark comedy element. That's always really cool. Yeah. Yeah, but like, you know, we're really trying to throw it at you. Like here's a scary that's actually looks and feels right. And also dealing with like all the issues because I grew up in trauma with my mother. My mother was crazy abusive and I'm sorry. Well, it's okay. She's long past now and she still comes to me and we've worked it out since she's done. I think that's my biggest fear. We have, we've worked it out since she's done.

It took her a minute. Like we've had such funny conversations though too. Like at first when she first died, she was trying to come in so fast. And then I was like, no, you're not ready. I am not ready for this. I had, and we're actually writing about this. This is like an episode of the show we've talked about

where I would, I was like, we're not talking directly. I'm getting a medium to come in and you have to talk to her. Hell yeah. I love that. Well, we need a middleman. We are doing this my way. It's a mirror place.

We need to get a therapist. Yeah. So that's what we did. And so until she was like calm down enough to have a normal conversation with me. Oh my God. We didn't do it. So we went to the meeting.

We had a conversation. I was like, she's not ready. It'll be another six months. Oh my God. Wow. That's great though that you got to do it on your terms. Because when you do go through like an abusive relationship with somebody, it's not on your terms.

So it's nice that you got to turn that around. Well, and also I found out a lot about things that had happened to her when she was child after she died, that she didn't tell me. And not that makes a huge thought. If you're an asshole, you're an asshole, you're being an asshole. At least then I was like, okay, I can get it more. You can empathize. you can empathize. Yeah, exactly. So I had more empathy for her. And eventually she was like, she was that person

who took no responsibility in life for absolutely anything. So like in death, I was like, until you can, we're not having conversation. We're not having the same relationship happened over here taking notes. I know. Eventually she did. She did. She was same relationship happen over here taking notes. I know you look. I know. Eventually she did. She did. She was like, oh, yeah, shit, okay. They're good.

They're like, yeah, good. You deserve that. You know, it's funny working with Hamla because doing better things, she was the person who put her own life basically on display. And so now I'm doing that with her and you couldn't do it with the better person

because she definitely knows you had him properly. But she's so lucky because you'll be having a conversation and you know just going into something like, oh this terrible horrible, traumatic thing that happened to me as a child and she sits there and then she'll look at you and she'll be like, that's funny. I can make that work with that. She's always right, too. That's the thing. You're at least you're like, what the fuck? You're like, it would not. No, not, hear me out. And you're like, oh my god, it is. It's funny. Yeah. I feel like you know what? I feel like working through trauma and humor go hand in hand. Oh, 100%. Exactly. Yeah. It's nice working with someone who is navigated that's so well.

And makes you feel really safe. Like she'd be su- I don't know what she'd say to it, but I think she'd be super honored that I'm like, she makes me feel safe. She does. She makes me feel safe like through that. Because it is hard. This is hard stuff to talk about. Not just but the work. Like, I didn't know, like one of the reasons why I didn't tell people and haven't been that active or you know out there as much as I guess I'm starting to know is because this is a hard thing to be out there with. Absolutely. Yeah. It's not for everybody. Not for everybody. Yeah. So I was really hesitant about, you know, doing stuff out there. But it seems like it's time and it's nice to have, you know, people who navigate that with you during.

Yeah, of course. I think you feel safe about your decision to do it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's awesome. I'm so excited for everything that you have I know. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that. I'm excited to share something new with the world, you know? The world needs it. I was going to say the world is going to be excited to receive it. So let's go. Yeah. And thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. This

has been so fascinating. Truly. Such a cool conversation. We can't thank you. I am. This has been so fascinating, such a cool conversation. We can't thank you enough. I'm so glad, I really, really wanted to do this as I told you, I love you guys. So I was so psyched. I was like, yay! I love this mutual.

Oh my God, I was just gonna say that. Well, I'm happy to hear that. I want to see friends forever. I'll be back. You're welcome back anytime. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you welcome back anytime. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much. And where can people follow you on social media if you want to plug any of that? Oh, yeah. Um, well, if you want to see these TikTok

videos. Yes. And you need to. It's just our age, Davis. Um, you know, it's like Davis with the NST. It's also Instagram, our age Davis, I try to keep it the same and easy. That's smart people. And we'll link them on the show notes so it's easy to find. But yes, definitely. But again, Rachel, thank you so much. This has been awesome. And guys go follow Rachel. Now I was going to say everybody listening, go follow Rachel, follow the TikToks, and we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep I'm not sure if I can get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to get a chance Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app

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