Morbid - Episode 509: Alvin and Judith Ann Neelley Part 1

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

On September 11, 1982, Ken Dooley, a Youth Development Center employee in Rome, Georgia, was shot at in his home by an unseen attacker. The following day, Dooley’s coworker, Linda Adair, was also attacked when someone threw a Molotov cocktail at her house in an attempt to kill her.  Although neither Dooley nor Adair knew it at the time, these were the first attacks in the violent crime spree of Alvin and Judith Ann Neelley, a married couple whose brutality would shock in and around Georgia in the fall of 1982.Thank you the the incredible Dave White of Bring Me The Axe Podcast for Research Assistance.ReferencesAnniston Star. 1982. "Woman seeks juvenile status in slaying." Anniston Star , December 2: 28.Associated Press. 1982. "Probe covers two states in death, disappearance." Anniston Star, October 6: 10.Birmingham Post-Herald. 1982. "Jury indicts Mrs. Neelley on capital murder." Birmingham Post-Herald, October 29: 2.—. 1982. "Neelley's wife sits while he talks." Birmingham Post-Herald, October 22: 2.—. 1982. "Suspect in canyon deaths gives details of 7 more slayings." Birmingham Post-Herald, October 22: 1.—. 1982. "Woman killed 2, authorities charge." Birmingham Post-Herald, October 16: 1.Columbus Enquirer. 1982. "13-year-old found dead." Columbus Enquirer, October 1: 7.—. 1983. "Neelley jury suggests life without parole." Columbus Enquirer, March 23: 1.Cook, Thomas H. 1990. Early Graves: The Shocking True-Crime Story of the Yongest Woman Ever Sentenced to Death Row. Boston, MA: E.P. Dutton.Dunnavant, Bob. 1983. "Jury hears 'robot' defense." Birmingham Post-Herald, March 10: 1.Judith Ann Neelley v. State of Alabama. 1985. 494 So. 2d 669 (Court of Criminal Appeals of Alabama, March 12).Morning Press. 1983. "Neelley to get death penalty." Morning Press, April 19: 1.Neelley vs. Alabama. 1989. 88-5806 (United States Supreme Court, January 9).Thompson, Tracy. 1982. "Luck, guesswork led to suspects." Atlanta Constitution, October 16: 23.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It wasn't just about your streamers. My work is interesting as well. I scotch taped the birthday sign. But we got a cake. But we got a gorgeous, a terminal cake from this delicious bakery that we know of. That we ate for breakfast. Yeah, we really like cake for breakfast. Yeah, we really all had cake for breakfast.

And I got this cool candle from Tarja. It's called a mega candle, but cool is an interesting way to describe that candle. It is cool. I was going to explain to you what it did while I was holding it. Yeah. So you, it's cool if you're like an arsonist, which you're like an arsonist. What you're not. In Norma.

That's rude. The arsonist listening. It's like, um, excuse me. Actually, I am. So tell me about this candle. You know, you light the middle of it. And there's like all these petals, yeah, like petals with other candles attached to it.

So you light this thing in the middle. And then slowly it lights all the other candles, and then it shoots all the petals out, and it starts fucking going around in a circle. And the fire was just... So first, I soon as Ashley and at this bonfire erupted from the middle of it, and I was like, oh, we're all gonna die.

I thought I was gonna have to stop drop and roll immediately, and then it just shot open and all these little fires, and I was like, what stop drop and roll immediately. And then it just shot open and all these little fires. And I was like, what are we doing in here? Yeah, Childish Gambino started playing, it was crazy. Oh my God. I was like, John's gonna have questions when we burn half the house down.

Obviously a lot of smoke shot up, who is standing like right under the smoke detector. But you know, birthdays. And then it wouldn't stop, listen to it, it's cool, but it wouldn't stop like humming happy birthday. It was like a music box kind of so we had to rip the fucking court out of there Yeah, so that was our morning Yeah, and it's not gonna get less chaotic from here because the story I have is pretty fucking awful. Oh Yeah, it's gonna be a fucking off telling this story with like streamers and like

Yeah on the ground. It's actually really upsetting thinking about it that way. Actually, I'm looking around like, oh no. This is gonna be split into two paths. Oh, she's got a two-pad. We got a two-pad? Is this just a wild part of the tale? A lot happening.

Lock going on and, you know, you're gonna absorb this in two phases because I'm gonna absorb this in two phases. I don't like that you're using the word absorb. Yeah, and you know what? Sometimes we will record a two-parter, multi-parter in one day. Yeah, back to the day.

But we'll just release them in like, again, like, I didn't want to say absorbable in a palatable chunks for you guys. And this one, I was like, we're gonna record this in two different days because I don't wanna talk about the whole thing at once. So that's like, that's how, it's just upsetting. It's not a nice situation, none of these are,

but some hitched it in different ways. Right, right. This is the story of Alvin and Judith Ann Neely. Oh, I've heard of them. Yeah. 70s. Yeah. Well, actually early 80s. Oh, come on. But some of it happened in the, yeah, it's not great. Early 80s crimes and like true crime have a certain feel to them. Yeah, they do. They have a vibe that I don't, I don't, the 80s. You do well with. For wild.

Yeah. Like every decade was wild in its own way. The 80s have a certain, it's like a grimy wild. It is, because it's like the grimyness of the 70s, kind of like leaks into the early grimyness of the 80s. And then it just mixes with some like day glow colors, and it gets weird. Yeah, grimey and day glow don't go together,

but they do in the 80s. They sure do. So go for it. So on September 11th, 1982, Ken Dooley, a youth development center employee in Rome, Georgia, was shot at in his home by an unseen attacker. He wasn't shot, but he was shot at.

And in his home, you said? In his home. Jesus. By some unseen attacker outside. And the following day, his coworker, Linda Adair, Linda Adair, was also attacked when someone threw a whole Molotov cocktail at her house in an attempt to kill her.

He's a great source. And again, these are coworkers at the Youth Development Center in Rome, Georgia. So obviously, something's going on here. And although neither Dually nor Adair knew at the time, these were actually just the first attacks in a violent, senseless, and very confusing crime spree that was committed by Alvin and Judith Ann Neely. Oh, man. That at the time, they were a married couple who, confusing crime spree that was committed by Alvin and Judith Ann Neely.

Oh, man. That the time they were a married couple who, I mean, their brutality is up there. And you wonder like how people like this find each other. We say that all the time. This one when you, we get to find out how they found each other.

And when you, when you see the entire thing, you're like, wow, this is just, this is just like, especially Judy, she did not, I mean, she didn't have a lot of chance here. But what she turned into is a monster. I mean, unthinkable. It really is unthinkable. Yeah, I know that this is like a really gnarly case,

and I know the name of it, but I definitely don't know all the details. So yeah, a little trepid. Just like, let you know ahead of time, there is like a really gnarly case and I know the name of it, but I definitely don't know all the details. So yeah, a little trippin'. Just like, let you know ahead of time, there is like speak of sexual assault, there's speak of rape, there's some really gnarly stuff in here, so just like be warned.

Yeah. Alvin though, he's a very confusing case study, I would say, because we're gonna talk about it that he kinda didn't really have any signs in the beginning or nothing that we are being told of or confined. But when you find out certain things that happen in his teenage years and later you're like, that didn't just come out of nowhere. What are you missing from his childhood here? Like something's off. Something's a rye. I don't know. So, Alvin Howard Neely Jr. was born July 15th 1953 in T in Trion, Georgia.

I can't say. I had to look up how to say Trion, Georgia, because I didn't want to mess it up. It was one of those. I was trying to be an ordinary pronunciation. And if you guys ever used, because I know like people are obsessed with pronunciations everywhere.

So when you look it up on the internet, you get several different kinds. One of them is pronounce names.com. And that one's very like, this is how you say that. And then you get a French guy. I love the French guy. He's like, hold on. Let me tell you how to say this. And you're like, oh, is this these things? You're like, oh, I goodness. And you love it. And he has a very comforting voice. It's very shunned. Oh, I love it. And then there's a whole fucking robot. And then there's a, yeah, there's AI. There's just a robot.

And I got that one, but it tells you, trion, Georgia. And it's like trion, trion, trion. And then it says, wonderful, please, to live.

And I said, that's good. It's weird. So that's trion, Georgia. It's apparently a small, pretty rural community about two hours from Atlanta. Okay. You said rural so good there. Rural. Yeah, it's hard.

Rural juror. Elevator was the youngest of three children. And his early life, like I said, pretty unremarkable, like very normal, according to all the things we can find. Allegedly. He had a good home life. He was well liked at school and the community. He ended up really getting a reputation for being very charming.

He was like a little jokester, a little prankster. But nothing, when he was younger, it was nothing like, oh, he was a prankster and he was pissing people off. And he was like, oh, he's just like a little jokester. He's a little charmer, you know? Okay. And he was described as always having a smiling face. So he was always happy.

And according to author Thomas Cook, it was a great childhood filled with days of hunting and fishing and hanging out with the other boy scouts. His childhood was a festival of joy. Wow. A festival of joy. Unrelatable. I was like, can't relate to that.

I was like, who's, I don't know if I've ever experienced a festival of joy? Oh, I've experienced a festival of joy. But I'm like, what the f- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and it's a today. Today is an off-brand, but sensible of a choice. Stormbott Festival. It just sound that's so, that's incredible. That sentence, like the entirety of your childhood. Everything, never had a bad day.

Never had a bad day. Shit, not album. I mean, that's what that says to me, like never had a bad day. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. By the time you went to Fort McKenry Elementary School, he'd learned that his charm and his very easygoing personality, he smile,

his niceness, it was a way he could draw people to him. Yeah, that's how he was gonna get friends. And he also learned in elementary school that he could use it to his advantage a little while. Oh, yeah, cool. So he quickly became the class clown. He really loved making everybody laughed. He would disrupt class a lot,

but nothing like crazy. He wasn't getting into trouble really that much. It was just kind of, he was that kid. I was always, and I wasn't like a brainy-occurring, anything like I was like, I'm trying to listen to the feature. But like those kids always pissed me off. Like those kids that would like distract class.

So just shut the fuck up. Yeah, that always pissed me off then and it still pisses me off. Like, I was the kids that would like distract class. Yeah. So just shut the fuck up. Yeah, that always pissed me off then and is so pissed me off now. Yeah. Yeah. Like whenever the tea, the girls will tell me about somebody who's like always fucking around in class. Yeah. Honestly, don't hang out with the fuck up kids. Like, they're they're lacking. Yeah, don't hang out. Everyone who want to laugh in school is like, they're like, fuck you guys. I'm just getting that smile. But yeah, he loved to make his class Oh my God, they're laughing school. They're like, fuck you guys. I'm just kidding, that's mad.

But yeah, he loved to make his classmates laugh. And once he got into like adolescence, like early adolescence, he started using his charm and humor to pick up gals. Ladies. And you know, they would go to the local swimming pool, do these like really wholesome things. And he would always, especially the local swimming pool was like the big thing there because there was not a lot going on in that town.

So it was like, it was a trion, George. I just thought what town was that? It was the town of Georgia. That's good. Yeah. You know, small town. Everybody was there. But this was a rural community.

So it's like the town pool was like the thing to do in the late 70s, you know, no checks. And when he would go there, he was the center of attention. Of course. And apparently, so cook that author that I mentioned before also wrote, it got so the pool owner would let him in for free. Shit.

Just so the other people would show up and pay the entrance price. Wow. So he was the fucking... His childhood was a fucking festival. That is a festival of joy. I guess. I don't think anybody's wrong.

I never had that happen. So this all sounds like holy shit. Like he's even getting it. Like he's a celeb. He's a mushy kid. He is. They let him into places for, they let him into the club for free

so that other people come. No cover. Yeah. And he's like early adolescent. He's an influencer. But then something happened. He was, I should say. When he reached high school. Okay.

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and he was still a charmer, still had that reputation, was still like thriving in that way. But he started taking like a dark turn in his personality. He was moodier, he suddenly started developing or at least finally showing a very explosive temper. Huh. That didn't seem to be present before. Okay.

And he began committing petty crimes. Out of no one. That eventually escalated to car theft. Shit. So like we went from festival of joy to like hitting high school and something really changing. And there was like no tragedy within the family. Not that I could find. I mean, he was an active kid.

So he was in boy scouts. Like he was in that kind of stuff. I don't know if something happened in like some kind of, you know, TBI. I don't know. Right. He really don't know. So it's like, I don't, I couldn't put, I couldn't find anything. Right. And neither could Dave. We were like, what the fuck happened to this guy? But that's so he's escalating already.

He's doing petty crimes, like, you know, cars have just pretty big. And in 1973, when he was 20 years old, he met a 15 year old named Joanne Browning. No, 20 years old. And a 15 year old. And a 15 year old. So fucking gross. Joanne was in a acquaintance of Alvin's half-brother, Betty Farrington, who worked at the local grocery store

in Dalton, Georgia, and that's how they met. Joanne found Alvin so charming, because remember, he's still a charming. Oh yeah, yeah. You know when you're 15 and some of the guys shown interest in you. And despite their wild age difference, they began dating. Where were Joanne's parents? So this 20 year old man is dating a 15 year old girl. Like what the fuck do you guys haven't come? Nothing. So in early 1974, not long after they'd began dating, Joanne actually moved in with Alvin

and quickly became pregnant with what would be the first of the couple's three children. Wow. Yeah. And at this point was he living on his own? At this point, yeah. Okay. So at first, I think he had, at certain points, he had gotten like an apartment by himself and then he would move back in with his parents. So at times he and his wife or wives we'll find out we'll move in with his parents sometimes. Okay. Now at first, you know, they seemed like they had a pleasant like existence together. I mean, they went on out every case happening in there. But it didn't take long before Joanne finally saw that violent temper. And she finally discovered that he was very quick to anger. Oh, no.

So years later on the witness stand, Joanne described the first time that Alvin physically assaulted her, which had occurred early in her pregnancy. Now according to Joanne, she said, and this is like trigger warning, like this is pretty upsetting. She said, quote,

Alvin had beaten her on the breasts and arms and had stretched the corners of her mouth with his fingers. What the fuck? Yeah. Wasn't that just like fucked up? That's just strange and horrible. Yeah. And she told the jury that this was the first of countless times

that he assaulted her. Stretched her mouth? Yeah. what? And he would assault her every time he got mad about anything after that. And knowing full well that she was pregnant. Oh yeah, he didn't care. The fuck?

And now, Alvin and Joanne got married after this in Cleveland, Tennessee in January, 1975. And this is when they moved back in with Alvin's mother at the time. That's just such a sad dichotomy. Oh, it's horrific. Because walking down the aisle, knowing what he does.

Knowing what he does. And I think of it, you're walking toward your future, like happiness and joy. And you're the best guy I know. And it's like, you're walking towards somebody that beats the show. And he's convincing you, like, oh, I'm sure he's convincing you like, oh, like, I'm sure he's doing that. I'm sorry. And I'm sure he's doing that.

I'll never do the words. But some little part of you walking down that aisle, you know, is like some real voice in your head. It's scared. You're walking towards someone you're afraid of. That's so fucked. It's awful. I feel so hard for her.

And what's worse is they moved in with Alvin's mother. And even the presence of her didn't do anything to stop the domestic violence. Really? This is where I say what happened. Yeah. Like how do you turn a blind eye to your son in that house, beating his pregnant wife? That idyllic childhood that was a festival of joy. Right. But then he's moving in with his wife

and beating the shit out of her while she's pregnant in front of you. And you're not saying anything? I don't know about that. Like I'm not saying anything because I don't know anything. I'm just saying that's strange to me. Yeah.

That's a strange, I don't know. That doesn't, that doesn't, the math ain't math in there for me, but I don't know. But Alvin used to be super paranoid that Joanne was having affairs with men in the neighborhood. That was like his obsessive thing. And this was something that would send him to jealous rage as a lot, and he would physically assault her because of the paranoia. And then would also drag her on wild goose chases to go search the neighborhood for her

imagined like a fair partners. Oh, that's nice. Like you would like literally bring her to every house and be like, is it him? Is it him? That's so scary that he was that paranoid. Yeah. And he also insisted that she serve him

and be submissive in every way at home. Oh, no. She had to bathe him, comb his hair and dress him. Why did he even want that? That's bizarre. This is why I'm questioning his, what happened? What happened? Some's off here.

That's weird. I'm like, live your life the way you want to and if two people are consenting to that, that's one thing. But if you're... That's bizarre to me. Just like you're forcing a little baby as a grown-ass man. And there were also times when he would just randomly become violent with her for no reason. There was no trigger even in his own mind.

And she said he would sometimes hit me with his fists, sometimes just hit me with his whole arm. And of course, I would run from him trying to protect myself by hiding in other rooms, but he would bust the door down. Oh my God. So he's just like a raging bull. Like what the fuck is going on here? And then to think that three children

were eventually witnessed to them is so fucked up. It's horrific. Now, although he may have felt powerful and dominant in his home life with his wife and his children, outside the home, Alvin was just a complete fucking failure of a human being. Yeah, I just had a feeling. Just out of feeling. Fuck in loser.

From the moment he began working, he struggled to maintain a job. He would travel from one town to the next in search of work and he would just drag his whole family with him. Of course. And eventually, he became so demanding that Jo. And eventually he became so demanding that you and he, or he, he became so demanding that she finally agreed when he brought up the idea of committing robberies, of convenience stores that he worked at, in Dalton and Calhoun, Georgia, because he was like, well, I can't keep a job, so let's just steal money. Let's just rob places.

Come on, kids. And she was so demanding and scary that she agreed. And she claimed out of fear for her safety and safety of their children. I believe so. Now, at one point, Joanne couldn't handle it anymore, so she ran away and left the children with him. Which I'm like, why did you leave the children with him?

Yeah. And he threatened to, like, kill them if she didn't return, so she did. That's the thing like you're leaving. That's the thing, I was like, that's scary. But she came back, and again, but we also have to remember she's a child. Yeah, like she's 15.

She's still a teenager probably at this point. She's still a teenager. Wow. And so she brought her 13 year old sister with her when she came back, because like I think she just thought it would be some kind of like comfort. I mean, you're, yeah, I can't even imagine this.

And she thought her presence would maybe mitigate what was happening here, but she was mistaken because almost immediately, Alvin began physically assaulting Joanne right in front of her 13 year old sister, and attempted to sexually assault her sister. That's a big thing. What the fuck? He only stopped when Joanne threatened to kill him. Wow.

And her sister returned home to her mother's house the next day, completely traumatized. Of course. Now, the cycle of abuse continued for several more months, and Joanne would like every now and then just flee to her mother's house, but was always brought back by him. So so sad. Until finally in set 1977, she left for good and she left her three children with him. Huh. I don't get that, but that's just me. Yeah. But I've never been in that position.

It'll be there. But I'm just saying personally, I don't get leaving, leaving them with him. I would never leave my children with someone like that. No. But through her testimony in court, it was clear that Joanne Browning hated Elvin Neely, obviously, like had deep-seated hate for him. Finally, I think it, I think it took her a long time to get to that place, but she fucking hated him. I mean, who wouldn't? And, but there, and there, and there's no doubt that he is an abusive piece of shit, like for sure.

But I guess there was questions about that like how exaggerated some of the moments were, like the attorneys were questioning it. Yeah, because it was like times when it didn't add up. So they thought maybe it was being like certain instances were being exaggerated a little bit. Okay. But either way, he was an abusive prick.

That's the same. And I don't really understand why they felt the need to nitpick that because it's like, even if she is exaggerating it, like, okay, whatever, like you can't really prove that either way. Yeah. That's the other thing. And it's like, but either way, he's an abusive piece of shit. Yeah, like he's an abusive abuse. So it's like, you know,, he's an abusive piece of shit. Yeah, like he's an abusive piece of that piece.

So it's like, you know, and what this shows is that he's won violent as fuck regardless of how, like, detailed or whatever any of the claims were, what we know is he's a violent abusive. Absolutely. That is for sure. 100%. And we also know that this shows that he has an interest in teenage girls.

Yeah. Like he has clearly established a pattern of being a fucking pig. Right. In every way you can also try to assault her. He tried to assault her. 13 year old sister tried to sexually assault her and he met her when she was 15. And that's the other thing that like, like I'm like, okay, that they're like trying to figure out the validity of the claims of each instance.

It's like, okay, but either way, even her sister is claiming that this happened. So it's like, yeah, regardless of anything, he's fucked up. Clearly. But either way, as like finally their relationship ended for good, which is, which was a very good thing for Joanne. But you know, I think eventually she was able to also have some kind of question.

Yeah, I don't, I wasn't able to follow that all the way through, but yeah. But Elvin had already found himself a new romantic interest. And it was a 15 year old girl. And how old is he now? And at this point, he is, when is this? He met her in 1973, right? Yeah. And then I think three years later they got divorced

and you say 1976. 1977. So he's almost 24 years old. And a 15 year old. So he's literally almost 10 years or senior. Yeah. And this girl was Judith Ann Adams. Oh, okay.

Is this part of the reason why she was doomed? Yeah. Now, unlike her future husband and eventually literal partner in crime, Judith did not have an idyllic childhood. No, not a festival of joy. No, she was born June 7th, 1964 in Murphriesboro, Tennessee. A Gemini.

She was the third of five children. She had an older brother and sister and two younger brothers, so she was right in the middle. Yep. And they were a solidly middle class family. You know, their father had steady work as a carpenter. He was a construction worker. And things, you know, even got better in 1973 because her father, James Adams, started his own construction company.

Oh, wow. And James worked a lot. Obviously, he owned his own construction company, so, wow. And James worked a lot, obviously. He owned his own construction company, so he was gone a lot. Yeah. And when he got home, he was kind of distant. He just wanted to have a few beers and go to sleep. He wasn't really like playing with his kids, you know?

It was such a different time, too. But by all accounts, he was not outwardly abusive from what I've read, unless, you know, that just isn't, you know, knowledge. But according to Judy, she loved her dad. She had a very close bond with him, even though they didn't see each other a lot. She loved what she saw. Okay.

And that's when tragedy struck on March 31st, in 1974, when James had a few beers and jumped on his motorcycle. Oh, no. And the details of the accident aren't like completely clear, but somehow he hit a highway guardrail. Oh, no. And he was dragged about a hundred feet between his bike and the guardrail. Oh, wow.

And eventually he was flung into the air and died immediately when he hit the pavement. Yeah. That's a brutal way to go. An awful way to go. In the death of their father hit all, the Adam's children really hard, but Judy was only nine years old when it happened. Wow.

And she took it the hardest out of all of them. Of course. Thomas Cook said she had always been the quiet one, but for a long time after that, she seemed to turn to stone. That's really sad. And so, her mother, Barbara, was left with, you know, her husband's small

social security pension, and eight acres of land on the outskirts of Murphreesboro, and she kind of struggled to provide for five children at that point. Yeah, five kids. That's a lot of kids. So she took a job at heat craft, which was a local refrigeration factory, and used the 8 acres of space for the double wide trailer home

that eventually housed the whole family. Okay. Less than a year after James Adams died, Barbara began dating. Yeah, that's tough for the kids. I got, like, I understand needing to move on and that's her right to do so, but I can imagine that was hard for the kids.

Absolutely. And it upset Judy, especially because she was so close to her dad. Yeah. And it was exceptionally horrible when Barbara went out on a date one night and got into a very minor car accident. But it was discovered that night that her boyfriend that she had been going out with for some time was a teenage boy. Oh. Mm-hmm. Okay. So I don't think it was a super normal like Barbara just moving on after her husband dies, kind of thing.

Sounds like she was kind of bucked up. Yeah. So Barbara was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Oh. And she and her family were humiliated by this. Yeah. And she ended up having to leave her job and basically like hit herself away in her trailer.

Yikes. Which is nice that she was a predator, got caught being a predator, and then just decided to hide away from her children and let them fend for themselves. Yeah, that was really great of her. So that was a really good, uh, Jesus Christ. This story is so marked with predators and predators and opens a predator like Barbara's a predator. They're all fucked up.

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Nobody's getting them where she and Judy's in the middle trying. And so they all just spent days like hanging around, drinking beer, watching TV, not really doing anything. Oh, no. And meanwhile, Barbara continued to decline to the point where she spent most of her time using a CB radio, like a truck radio, kind of like candy cane, where she would meet men who would show up

at the house with beers and just spend time with her. Okay. So just, you know. This is so bleak. Yeah. So Judy spent a lot of her time outside of the home trying to escape all this. I would as well. She focused on school. She made honor roll. Wow. And joined the cheerleading team in eighth grade. And after school, she participated in 4-H club in the future homemakers of America. Wow,

I didn't even know that was a thing. Did not know that either. And she just really focused on school, was trying to, she wanted to become a nurse someday. She was like, she had dreams. She was like, ready to go. It's crazy that like in this shit storm, she's kind of thriving. And she kind of, her in areas. But something was off where she was very,

she became like a harder person, because she had to. Yeah. Out of her circumstances. And I think it led to her. She hardened too much. Yeah, she hardened a little too much. And I think this piece of shit man took full advantage of a slightly broken child here.

And it's really fucked up. And what Judy ends up doing means that there was a monster inside of her all long. And when you look at her mother there, something's off there, obviously. And so you know, there was something in there that he just happened to, I don't know if he ended up, if he could see it,

or if he just stumbled upon a vulnerable young girl and he was able to pry this monster out of her, but it's really upsetting all the way around. Oh no. So one afternoon in early 1979, Alvin Neely, and his friend Dan Hartley, two grown ass men, and they're mid 20s.

And they're mid 20s. We're driving out to meet a woman Dan had met on the CB radio. Shut your fucking pie hole. Yep. Shut your fucking pie. He was talking to Dan, his friends was talking to Barbara on the CB radio. And Dan spotted a CB antenna on top of the trailer and he was like, here it is. This is where she is.

So she likes like younger men because at this point, she's a children. And he's like in his 20s. And then the guy he's bringing along with him is gonna love the daughter. Oh God, this is fun. Yeah. Dan was very excited to meet this gallant person, but it was the woman's 15 year old daughter, Judy,

that really caught Alvin's attention. Oh, no. Yep. I'm so uncomfortable. Yeah. So Judy came out to talk to them because she was always in charge of everything, being like, you need a beer. Yeah. And when Dan and Barbara, you know, Dan and Barbara went off and started drinking beers together in Barbara's room. And Alvin sat

with Judy in the next room talking. And apparently they had a lot in common according to them. 26. Which says a lot about Alvin. Sure does. They spent all night and well into the next morning talking and laughing. We have a grown-ass man connecting and flirting with a 15-year-old child. That's so heinous. He later said, if anyone had stepped in between us, they'd had been burned up in the sparks. With a 15 year old. Dude, you're pushing 30, like what the actual, like the amount of predators around this girl right now are outrageous.

That is so, so gross. Now after this, they became inseparable. It was this was the moment that they met. Like you were wondering, how do these people come together? Well, don't worry. They're just surrounded by predators like she's just surrounded by predators So they were just naturally brought into her life. This story is putrid. They did everything together They developed this weird intense bond that was like obsessive with each other like us against the world

Yeah, oh very much Yeah, very much From a mile away and she spilled about her troubled home life for father's death as she was still grieving. It's so sad. Alvin listened. He didn't share a lot about his at first, but finally they'd been together a couple of months in Alvin admitted to Judy.

Well, I am still married. Oh, I forgot that he was still married. She just left. They didn't divorce. Shit. And his wife, he insisted, was, quote, a liar in a cheat. And she'd still been married to another man when he married her. Which is not true because she was 15 years old.

Alvin insisted his relationship with Joanne had been over for a long time, and he had every intention of divorcing her. Which Judy was like, of course, I'm 15. Yeah, like I don't know anything about this. When Judy went back to school for her sophomore year at Oakland High School. And she was a freshman. Yeah, a freshman in high school. Oh my God. She thought she was a full adult at this point.

Like, she's feeling like, she's dead. She's a whole adult. And she's spending all her time with Alvin, especially since her siblings just hung around doing nothing. And her mother was also just like a fucking loser in living with Dan Hartley now. Oh, God. He moved in, he just never left.

That's good. So now Dan Hartley is living in that trailer with her and all those kids. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. At the end of 1979, Alvin and Judy discussed marriage and she decided that she was gonna leave high school. Remember, she had all these dreams.

She was gonna be a nurse. She was an honor student, a cheerleader. She was in all these clubs. She had dreams of becoming a nurse. And she just came to the school for this fucking loser. Oh, that's awful. He finally ended up divorcing Joanne, and Judy ended up moving in with Alvin's mother

in Cleveland, Tennessee. His mother fuckers still living with his mom. I got questions for his mom. I have some fucking really questions. If my future child at 26 years old came home with a 15 year old, he would be so far out on his ass it would be next Wednesday.

Exactly, that's why I'm like, get the fuck outta here. I don't know about this. I'd call the cops myself. Exactly, I'd be like, you fucking creep. What are you doing? Like, how did I fuck you up this bad? Yeah.

So she ended up moving in with the mom in Cleveland, Tennessee, and Alvin stayed in Murphreesboro to keep working and making money, and then he was going to move in. And she's like, oh, how do you like my whole ass at all of a sudden? Like, hello, child. Like, you just have a child living with you now. Literally.

Now, once Alvin had saved up some money, he and Judy, Judy finally moved in together. I like that you come by and Judy. I know. Judy, they've got a small apartment in Rome, Georgia. And then they ended up moving to a small motel room in Kena Sa, Georgia. They loved a motel room.

That's upsetting. Elven found work at a convenience store across the street from this place. Judy again had quit school, so she just started just hanging out at the store, stalking shelves, hanging out, helping out. Alvin was already back to his criminal bullshit because he couldn't hang on to a job. And one night after stealing the day's deposits

from his job, they just ran away to Alabama to escape any of the consequences. Oh, okay. Just stole the register money. And then it just never came back. Yeah, okay. Just stole the register money. And then it just never came back. Yeah, good. Just never came back.

Now, Alvin was shocked to see that Judy was very willing to be an accomplice to all his criminal ideas, all of it. Like she was just like, okay, let's go. And it's like, yeah, because you've groomed her. Well, yeah, and she's literally a child. Yeah. She's nowhere else to go. Right.

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And the routine was briefly interrupted in mid July because they stopped off in Ringhold, Ringhold Georgia to get married. And then it was just right back to everything that they were doing before. More motel rooms, more convenience stores, just this grimy ass existence. Truly. Grimy is the perfect word for it. That fall, Judy learned she was six months pregnant.

Oh no. But they just kept on robbing being assholes, continuing their life. And she's like 16, 17. Yeah, and she found that she was six months pregnant. So it's like, wow, that's pretty pregnant. Yeah, that's found out she was six months pregnant. So it's like, that's pretty pregnant. Yeah, that's more than halfway there. It's a very, very pregnant.

You know, that all this craziness had to pause, though, because the fall of 1980, they were arrested when robbing a woman at gunpoint in the parking lot of the river, Ben-Dmol. Elvin was sentenced to five years at the Walker Correctional Institute in Lafayette. And Judy was still underage. So she was taken to the Rome Youth Development Center, just pregnant and all. Remember, I don't know if you remember at the beginning of this, the Rome Youth Development Center? That was where the two people, the guy, the person that got shot at and is held in the

person who had a mall tub cocktail. For another house, they work there. Oh, okay. While she was there, she gave birth to twins just two days after arriving. She found out she was pregnant with twins six months in. Yes.

As someone who has carried twins in their body, I am shocked. I don't know. I mean, six months, I was a, I, people were like, oh, you, you must be ready to pop. And I was like, I am shocked. I don't know. I mean, the six months I was, people were like, oh, you must be ready to pop. And I was like, I am not. People go like full fletched. Like who knows?

Like full term. Wild. Alvin and Judy sent letters back and forth several times a week. Their correspondence, they, they mainly stayed like very romantic. Very like we love each other. We're obsessed with each other. It got like kind of explicit,

they were weird and like stressful. They was, it's, don't look for them. Okay. For every now and then Alvin's jealous paranoia would show through. Yeah. In one, he said, I'll put my love where it will be returned.

He said, so he's basically like threatening her. Like, I'll leave you and go find someone else. Like, you don't love me. Okay. And then he said, you can't have me and play around too. And Alvin wasn't the only paranoid one because Judy also was accusing him of being unfaithful and said a lot in her letters.

She said, I'll take care of her when I get out. Referring to like an imaginary woman. Interesting. And she said, none of them are woman enough to try to take you from me when I get out. I wanna be clear, they were both in jail at this time. Yeah, so how would you be in jail? And they're not in co-ed jails, like they're in like,

and they're not talking about like, she's not talking about a man that he's cheating on her with or she's talking to a woman. They're like accusing each other of cheating on each other with the opposite sex. When they're not here to do it. So I just want to be clear. Yeah. Like, I'm very, this shows you how deluded they both were. Yup. And how paranoid and like obsessive they were. Yeah. It's like a weird, I don't know.

But again, very strange. And they had this like strange and upsetting devotion to each other while also having this big disdain for the world and people around them. Like you said before, very us against everyone else mentality. They believed everyone was out to get them. No one understood them. They had to strike back at people. Judy was released from the youth detention center in November 1981

and returned to Cleveland Tennessee to live with Alvin's parents and the twins. Because remember, twin babies. Twin babies, yep. Unfortunately, it didn't take long for her to revert to that criminal lifestyle again. And less than two weeks after she was released, she was arrested for robbing a gas station and was sent back to the center. Two weeks. What the fuck? She was released in March 1982, but she went back to living with Alvin's parents. But she seemed to be like, and apparently they were fine, like they were taking care of her. But they kind of, she like resented them in a weird way.

Like she wrote to Elvin at one point, talking about his dad, I can't stand that son of a bitch. Your dad still raises hell every now and then, but he won't say anything to me. If he ever does, he knows he'll regret it. This also leads me to believe like, what happened in that house? Exactly.

This doesn't sound like a regular, such a, like I'm very confused. No, not at all. We're getting little bits and pieces, little bread crumbs of something that went down there. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on there. Yeah, that's just like, it's just weird. Yeah, it's very strange.

And it's very, and seeing her how she's talking, like, you won't say anything to me or her regret it. It's like, I can see what's happening here. Like, that's what I mean when I say, like, she had to be that way growing up. So she acts that way. But Alvin was finally released from the Walker Correction Institute at the end of April 1982. And Judy met him at the bus station.

And you know, it went right back to what it was before. They were obsessed with each other. You know, they would, they had this like really because he had, which is also like a red flag to me, he had this very like aggressively intense sex drive too, which we see a lot in these cases where it's couples. Like unfulfilling. In almost every case where it's couples actually, we see that the man usually has a stringly insatiable and aggressive sex drive. Yeah. Like multiple times a day

or he's gonna beat the shit out of you. They go. And that's how it was. And she's a child. Exactly. And soon, but soon reality set back in. They had no jobs. So they turned right back to the criminal ways

and they would steal checks from mailboxes. They would forge money orders. They would rob people and places. It was chaos. They still have their children. Yeah, they still have their, okay. I was like, did I miss a part where they dropped them off? Oh, no, they still got them. But they're living with Alvin's parents. Okay. Okay. So they're just, they are probably raising them. Yeah. Then randomly one day, Alvin just looked at Judy and said, I don't want you anymore. What? At a nowhere.

Because she wasn't 15 anymore. Exactly. She probably turned 20. She got a little older. Excuse me. She probably turned 18, I should say. Exactly. And as the summer of 1982 came to an end,

Judy was now angry, desperate, willing to do literally anything to keep him from leaving her. No matter what. Oh no. So one evening in early September 1982, and what we'll see is like, he was like, I don't want you anymore, but they stayed connected. Obviously they had children, but they like had this still obsessive bond with each other, even though it wasn't like always a romantic bond. She was always trying to make it one, but he would like flip-flop. Okay. It was very strange. I can't understand and I don't ever want to understand. It's really better that you don't. So on the evening, in September 1982, Ken Dooley,

who was a teacher at the Rome Youth Development Center, he was at home when his phone rang a little after 7 p.m. The voice on the other end was a young woman claiming to be a friend of Ken's wife Sherry. I don't know. This person on the other end said she was going to be passing through the area soon and wanted to drop in to surprise Sherry. So Ken was like, oh, that's great. Like, here's directions to my house. Ken, Ken. Jesus fucking Christ. This could be anybody. It's the early 80s. Everybody's like whatever. She even have a friend, who'd that name? And this person said, well, you tell Sherry that I'll see her when we get to Rome, and then they hung up.

Sherry's probably like, I've never heard of that bitch in my life. Well, Sherry do leave her to her home a few hours later with the couple son Robbie. And Ken said, told his wife, you know, this lady Susan had called from Kentucky. And she goes, well, that's strange. I don't have a friend from Kentucky named Susan.

But glad you gave them stuff by step directions. Like how can? Now a few days later, because Ken was like, OK, that was weird. A few days later, Ken returned home from his son's football game and was met at the door by Sherry. And Sherry said, I got a call. And when she asked who it was, she said it was, she was a young girl and she wanted to know if he was home.

And Ken's mind was like, okay, like I teach girls, like young girls at the development center, but like he was like, none of them have my phone number. Like I don't get my phone number out to these girls. And like, why would they be calling? Yeah. So he was like, that's just weird.

And she was like, yeah, I don't know. She wouldn't say who she was. So he had almost put it out of his mind, but then the phone rang that evening again. And Sherry immediately was like, it's the girl again, I know it. And so he answered, but it was a man's voice. And the man's voice said, you've screwed the last girl,

you're gonna screw. And then he just hung up. Oh. And Ken was freaked out. He was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I love my wife, my. And he tried to put it out of his mind, but later that night as he was walking around checking locks

because he was like a lorry and a lorry and a lorry going to that point. And he was checking on the kids, like making sure everything was okay. He heard four loud pops that sounded like a car back firing as he went back to his bedroom. Oh my God. And as he was going in there,

he heard his wife's voice screaming that someone was shooting at the house. Oh my God. So Ken ran to his wife, then checked the rest of the house, and looked out the window to the front of the house, and he saw the tail lights of a car like flying down the street. So the police arrived, but since no one identified the shooter and there was really no evidence like no one even saw the car,

they couldn't do anything. They just told him you probably shouldn't sleep here tonight. Thank you. Like, what the fuck? and there was really no evidence, like no one even saw the car. Right. They couldn't do anything. They just told them you probably shouldn't sleep here tonight. Thank you. Like, what the fuck? Jesus. Now, the next day, September 11,

Linda Dair, the assistant director of the Youth Development Center, noticed that Ken seemed a little off at work, but she didn't want to like pry too much, so she didn't bother to ask what was wrong and just went about her day, but she said later, like, she very much saw that something was wrong. And she went, you know, she later that night, she went back home and her husband Gary,

you know, they went out to dinner together and then they came home and she just laid down on the couch, just relaxing a little, everything's normal, and then the phone rings. And Linda could hear Gary answer and respond to the caller, and he called out to her to let her know that it was for her. And Linda took the phone and said, hello, but no one was on the other end. Yeah. And when she asked who it was, her husband said he didn't know but thought it sounded like a teenage girl. He said she just asked if you were home. Creepy. Now again, this couple was also freaked out, but that evening they got ready for bed. Gary was in the shower and the phone rang again.

A little after our 1130. Don't answer it. So all of a sudden, when she answers the phone, she hears one of her neighbors yelling into the phone at her, saying, Linda, what's happening? Someone threw a bomb at your house. Oh my God. So she's like, what the fuck? So she went, looked out the window in the dining room

and she could see flames engulfing their car port. Oh my God. And then the scene just erupted into chaos. Linda got Gary out of the shower. He was in the shower. They fled the house for safety of the neighbor's house and watched as their home went up in flames. Oh my God.

Now after that was all controlled, Linda told police that she heard the neighbor's dog barking and chasing a car down the road seconds after the bomb must have hit the house. Right. And it turned out to be a Molotov cocktail made from a soda bottle and gasoline. What the fuck? And she told them about the weird call that evening too. But again, there was not a lot to go on.

There's no like collar idea or anything. And the police are figuring we're not going to be able to find out who this is. Like, I don not a lot to go on. There's no, like, collar idea or anything. And the police are figuring we're not gonna be able to find out who this is, like, I don't know what to do. I'm sorry, is this within the same town? Yeah. So are they like, this is connected? Well, so a teenager who had just dropped his date off at a house nearby did manage to get a look at the car.

Nice. And he described the car as like early 70s model dodge browning color with a white stripe down the center He said there was a man and woman inside and when the headlights passed over the vehicle He briefly got a look at the woman behind the wheel who he described as being white and she had long reddish hair Okay, now This sounds like a like Judy sure does yeah, so I'll pick yeah It's like, like Judy. Sure does, yeah.

Salah Pei, yeah. Neither Linda nor her husband could think of anyone who'd want a Molotov cocktail their house. That's a good thing. And as far as she knew, she was like, I think the people at the youth development center like like me, I haven't had any bad interactions in the recent past that I could think

that would lead to anything like this. Like she really couldn't think of anything. And then as the police were interviewing them both, the phone rang again. And Linda answered, and it was the voice of a young woman. And she said something about this, and this is a random young woman, saying something about the shooting at Kenduly's house

the previous night, and the fire at Linda and Garry's. And Linda was like, who the fuck are you? What are you talking about? And the girl said, you both will die before the night's over, and then hung the phone up. Oh my God. ["Morning Hey, I'm Marisha, and I'm Brooke."

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at like, and then why did I? What the fuck? And then the police asked her to listen to a recording of a 911 call that had been placed that night. The girl on the recording of the 911 call had said to the 911 dispatcher that she was calling about the shooting at Canduli's house and the fire at the Adair home. She said, quote, for the sex abuse that I went through in the YDC. And the dispatcher asked her to explain, And the caller said it was, quote, sex abuse. And for the abuse I took, they are both going to die. And who knows it might be tonight. And then hung the phone. Like what the fuck? So these attacks were obviously

done by Alvin and Judy. We found out later. Yep. After they had done this, they headed to Macon. I think it is Macon. I think Macon, yeah. I think I did a little more on that. It's one of those guys. This time they went in separate cars. She went in a brown dodge, and he went in a red Ford Grenada.

And they tried. So after Alvin had come out of prison, like I said, they had tried to reconcile several times since he had been like, I just don't like you anymore. And they did this together, right? They did this together. Even though, and like I said, even though their relationship wasn't the same

that it was, they were still in that like us against the worlds, like we have to punish people together. Everyone hates us, so we hate everyone. Kind of thing. Yeah. So it's like very strange, and they were using a CB radio to connect with each other. And the cars.

And it came. Yeah, it's like very joyride. It's weird. It's very strange. And like I said, they weren't in the same like obsessive passionate relationship, like romantic quote-unquote relationship. They're idea-adventure-adventure.

With each other, they're idea. But again, they're shared disdain for humanity and the people around them was what was keeping them connected. Right. And this, it's very weird. This was just the beginning of their big plan. And duly in a dare were only two of the names

of the list of a list of YDC employees that they were targeting. Oh no. Judy claimed it was for abuse. She suffered there. It should be said, there is no evidence that Judy was abused or sexually assaulted during her time in juvenile detention. But there are countless examples of children being abused in similar institutional settings and having it not be documented. So it is entirely

possible. Yep. But there is no document to proof. Yep. So I just need to take it how it is. Like none of us know for sure, but there is no way that we can say that that is not true. I really hope she wasn't. Now once they reach their destination, Judy placed a call to the home of Linda Allen, who was a staff member at the YDC. Judy told Linda that her husband had been,

so Judy was saying like, it's me. Like I was one of the girls there. And she said her husband had been beating her and she needed Linda's help. She begged her for help. Now believing Judy to be in danger, Linda Allen agreed to meet her at a motel the following day. Wow.

She was like, I'll help you out of this situation. Clearly she's a good person. But the next day someone from YDC called to say that Linda had been called out of town and wouldn't be able to make it. Okay. Linda literally dodged Able it because Alvin and Judy planned to kill her.

Oh my God. But she somehow got called out of town at the last second. Wow. So they had the original kind of thing right there. So they moved on to the next name on the list. So next up was John Brownlee, who was a security guard at the YDC. Judy believed that this man had been attracted to her. That's all she said.

She didn't say he assaulted her. She just believed he had a crush on her. Okay. Having found his number, she called the house and got Brownlee on the phone and reminded him that he'd once told her if she ever happened to be in the area, she should look him up. So who knows, it sounds like that was the truth. Yeah.

And caught off guard, brownly told Judy he couldn't meet her because he just got married a few months earlier. He was like, I'm married now. Okay. So she decided to let that one go. The plan was derailed. Interesting, but that's all he... That's all it took. I had to say. I know. Now they decided to go that one go. The plan was derailed. Interesting. Yeah, that's all he... That's all it took. I had to say.

I know. Now they decided to go with a new plan, because they were like, you know what? We got to go big now, because this is I'm working out how I wanted to. So they were now going to simply track down each of the men Judy said had abused her, break into their homes, and then Alvin had a plan

that he was going to rape their wives in front of them. Oh, Jesus. As payback to what they had done. Oh wow. Yeah. That's just a very quickly. A lot. Now the more they talked, the more Alvin and Judy just like fed each other.

Yeah. And like, we're feeding each other's fucked upness and just like rage and aggression and hate. And all of this. This is so much. And the problem was though that finding the home addresses and phone numbers for all the employees at YDC was not easy. You didn't have like Google back then. That's a good thing. And after a few days of driving around aimlessly,

they decided to abandon this revenge fantasy and they headed back in the direction of Rome and decided we need a new terrible plan. And this one's really terrible. So, on the afternoon of September 25th, 1982, Gail Henderson and six girls from the Ethel Harp's home, which was a facility for neglected and abandoned girls, arrived at the River Bend Mall in Rome to do some shopping.

Okay. After giving the five older girls very strict instructions to stay together while they were at the mall, Gail took the youngest of the girls with her to run some errands. She told the other girls the older ones meet her in front of the radio shack in one hour. Radio shack. Gail regrouped about an hour later, but one of them, the 13 year old girl, Lisa Milligan was missing. Now the girls told Henderson that Lisa had become separated from the group somehow, but they

figured she would just meet them outside the radio shack when she realized the time. They waited for about 20 minutes and then they split into two groups and went in different directions to try to find Lisa. They couldn't find her, so now Gail was panicking. Of course. Went to mall security to explain the situation. They split up against, again, now with guards to find her. So now Gail was panicking of course went to mall security to explain the situation They split up against again now with guards to find nothing So they called the police a more formal search happened nothing she just disappeared. Oh God

Months later investigators in Rome interviewed several young women who recalled that day being approached by a teenage girl on that afternoon In some cases the teenager asked if their names were Kim or Phyllis. Okay. Indicating that she was trying to meet someone and they hadn't shown up kind of thing. Mm-hmm. Most of them simply shook their heads and were like, okay, bye. Yeah. But a woman, Suzanne Clance, who was at the river Ben Mal that day with her husband,

had a longer interaction with this girl. This girl was Judy. I figured. According to Suzanne, she said the girl looked very dirty, like she hadn't bathed in a while. Gross. And she said she was looking for someone named Kim. And she said the girl asked Suzanne if she was alone at the mall. And when Suzanne explained that she was with her husband, the girl seemed to lose all interest and just walked away. Oh, this is so fucking creepy. So Suzanne had no way of knowing it, but that afternoon at the River Bend Mall,

she was about to be abducted and killed. If she hadn't had her husband with her. Wow. Now Lisa Milliken, however, was not lucky. She had been lured and abducted by Alvin and Judy. She's 13. So they just completely abandoned the plan where it seemed like there was targeting employees at this place who had wronged

her. And now they're just going up there anyway. But now they're just going after anybody for that. And that's what makes me think that there's that there wasn't a total motive here. Right. That's clear. Even maybe to begin with. But exactly. So they abducted Lisa. They took her back to the Chattahoochi motel in Rome. And that night, the night Claire Claire Dorety said she noticed them right away when they came in. She thought it was an odd trio.

Right. She said it was an old fucking guy with two teenage girls. Well, she was like the man and the young woman seemed like they were a couple, like clearly, but she said that young girl with them was clearly not their child. Like, she was like the man and the young woman seemed like they were a couple, like clearly, but she said that young girl with them was clearly not their child. Like she was too old to be their child. Like it was very strange. And the next morning, when Dorety

went to check on the room that the three of them were in, they had already checked out. So to cans and candy wrappers were everywhere. And she said it appeared as though only one of the two beds had been slept in. Okay. Now the scene repeated itself again over the next two days. They checked into the five points motel

in Scottsboro, Alabama. And on the morning of September 28th, the motel's owner, he went to clean room 12 where they were, found the same kind of thing, cookie wrappers, soda cans, like just crap everywhere. And only of them are checking in to the sauce. And only one bed is being used. Okay.

Later that afternoon, just before 1 p.m., a call came into Rome police headquarters and were sort of received by watch commander, Lonnie Adcock. The caller, it was a young teenage girl, it seemed, who said, y'all looking for Lisa Ann Milliken on the run from the Harps' home and then claimed to have information to help find her. She said go up to Little River Canyon and Alabama and then gave specific instructions where to find Lisa. The phrasing made them feel

like they were not going to find her alive. They were skeptical but they went out to a river canyon to take a look. Okay. As the officers from Rome were driving up Lookout Mountain to reach the canyon, Jenny West, who was a news director at local station WRGA, received a tip from a young woman who called her desk. The caller said Lisa Milliken, that girl that ran away from the Harps' Toam on Friday, she's been killed and the Rome police are covering it up.

I think what we're seeing here is this us against the world. Everyone's out to get us thing is just their shared delusion that they're using as an excuse to her people. Yeah, sounds like it. Because now they're saying the Rome police are covering it up. When they have nothing to do with it. And the caller then gave some detailed directions to find Lisa's body and West interrupted

and said, was she killed? How was she killed? And she said she was shot by a female juvenile officer from the Harp's home this morning. She was at the Little River Canyon and she's still there. So now that she's trying to blame the people from the home. Right. Now, unsure whether this was real or a prank,

like a whole party. Yeah. She's down a fake lead. Jenny West went to the Rome police headquarters and told them about it. And the detectives were like, yeah, like we also got a similar message from that. And you know, she had disappeared

from the river, been all about a week earlier. So like that name is absolutely true. And, but they let the reporter know that they had gone out to the canyon and hadn't found any evidence of a murder or a body. And they also investigated everyone who worked at the Harps' Tomb, and no one had a history of violence or criminality. They were like, no one's a suspect there. Like we don't suspect anyone there. Right. And in all likelihood, they said, we think she just ran away. Like, that's the likely thing that happened here. Right.

And, you know, hopefully she would turn up eventually, we'll keep looking into leads and try to find her. And, um, but they wanted to put the reporters, mindities, and their own. So investigators told her, you know what, we're going to call the authorities into Calb County, Alabama, and let them know that a second tip has been received.

Okay. So the next day on September 29th, the DeColbe County Sheriff's Office got a call from another young woman wanting to know whether they had found the body in the canyon. But the officer was like, what the fuck? Like no, we haven't. And the caller just hung up. So the young woman called again later that evening and gave more precise directions, like being like, like wanting them to find her.

Right. So the sheriffs were like, all the sheriffs were like, you know what, let's go out now and go, we gotta look. So it took some time to get up the mountain to where the, she said the body would be, and the sun was actually started to set, so it was getting dark in the canyon.

Yikes. But crawling on his stomach out to the edge of the mountain, Alabama State trooper, Tommy Brock, shined his flashlight down into the canyon. And he said he immediately saw a pair of jeans hanging from a tree branch. Oh, no. So he was like, oh shit.

So he swept the light across the canyon floor and illuminated the body of Lisa Ann Millican, more than 80 feet below. 13 years old. So did they throw her over the side of Lisa Ann Millican, more than 80 feet below. 13 years old. Did they throw her over the side of the mountain? Yeah. What happened to her is horrific, and I just need you all to know that

ahead of time, like it's gonna be rough. Yeah. Now, once they were able to retrieve her body from the canyon floor, the Decalbe County Corner, Ronald Berry confirmed that she'd indeed been killed by a gunshot wound at the chest, and she had been dead about a gunshot wound at the chest.

And she had been dead about 31 hours when she was discovered. Detectives from Georgia contacted their counterparts in Alabama. And they confirmed that the voice of the caller matched the same caller that called into the DeColbe County Sheriff's Office. And so they started, which is one of those instances where you like, they worked together. They worked together, they coordinated. And they did. Nice, nice.

They had a joint investigation. That's awesome. Now with the body taken out of the canyon, crime scene technicians began searching the canyon floor and all around for evidence. They found several items of clothing, a large amount of trash, because they're fucking pigs. And criminalist John Kilborn also found several

disposable syringes near where the body had been discovered. Strange. They took up some tests and determined that the syringes didn't contain narcotics. Oh. They were sent in from more analysis, and it was determined that whatever had been in the syringes was extremely acidic in nature.

It took some time to narrow it down, but they found out that analysts eventually determined that whatever had been in the syringes was extremely acidic in nature. It took some time to narrow it down, but they found out that analysts eventually determined that the syringes had contained two very common cleaning products, liquid drain O and liquid plumber. Oh, no. So this seemed pretty unusual to lab technicians. They were confused by that. But then when you look at the autopsy results, you see, but this makes sense.

Oh, God. So the cause of death was obviously a shot to the chest. There was repeated sexual assault on this poor girl. And the autopsy technician found six puncture wounds in her neck. So at some point before her death, Lisa Ann Milliken had been subjected to a form of chemical torture. And at the point of injection, it had boiled the fatty tissue beneath her skin,

reducing it to an odd liquid, which resembled burnt cooking grease. So they injected Drainow and liquid plumber into her neck? What they would learn afterwards after they had been arrested, because luckily these fuckers do get arrested. After they arrested investigators learned that, while he was in jail, Alvin had heard from someone

that it would be nearly impossible for investigators to identify a death as a murder if the victim was injected with acidic chemicals. And that the death would be quick, like it's an easy way to kill someone. But then you also shot her. Well, of course, because it is entirely false that that would quickly kill someone.

Uh-huh. And it's entirely false that they wouldn't be able to detect it, but that didn't stop Judy from injecting Lisa with those chemicals. It was Judy who injected her with Plano Drainow and liquid plumber. A 13-year-old. She had been tied. Lisa had been tied to a tree outside of the canyon and injected by Judy at least six times with drain cleaner. She's a sick fuck. When the injections

failed to produce the results that she was looking for and just caused unbelievable pain and suffering to Lisa. Judy simply shot Lisa in the chest and pushed her off the ledge into the canyon. Oh my God. So they now knew how and they also knew a young woman was almost certainly involved at this point in the murder of Lisa because at this point they didn't know as Judy and Alvin. But they knew it was a young woman involved because she had called a hundred times to let them know. Right. But they needed to find out who, and also where Lisa had been in the days between when she was abducted and murdered.

And what the fuck is going on here? And what had happened to this for really not timeline? This isn't going to be the last person that dies from these two idiots. That's where I'm going to leave for part one. Because that's a lot. Because I have to take a minute after that, because I'm really heavy. It's the amount of abuse, neglect, horrible trauma. This is a tough one. It's been requested many times. That's why I finally did it. I finally bit it and did it.

But like, this is a tough one. Yeah. Everyone go hug someone you love. Sife five, someone you love. Make, you know. Hey, for someone's coffee in the... Sure, coffee with someone you like. Yeah, just like go do something

that makes you feel a little warm and fuzzy inside that doesn't hurt anyone else. Okay. Don't hurt people. Hurt people, hurt people. Okay. Don't hurt people. Hurt people, hurt people. Wow. Don't do that. And yeah. And you know what?

Go listen to an episode of the rewatcher to kind of cool yourself down from this. Yes. Perfect. How it cleanses. And once you do that, you'll be ready for part two on Thursday. Perfect. Okay. So we got you covered all the way around.

And you can also listen to, you know, scream. If you want to, scream is fun. You could listen to Obituary. Obituary is good. Obituary is good. Strange and unusual podcast. Go listen to Allison and her soothing voice. Yes, if you go listen to a loan at lunch

and get the fuck away from all of this. Just go listen to comedy. Yeah, a loan at lunches, the perfect. Too funny. Funny human beings with really funny, funny guests. If you need to totally disengage from anything dark. Yeah, you know? Or it's not what you covered, baby.

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