Morbid - Episode 53: Part 1 Karla Homolka & Paul Bernardo “The Ken and Barbie Killers”

Episode Date: March 21, 2019

Canadians, you know this case all too well. It is vile, horrific and unjust to say the least. Karla Homolka and her husband Paul Bernardo AKA "The Scarborough Rapist" terrorized and murdered young women in Ontario during the late 80s/early 90s, including Karla's own younger sister, until they were finally stopped and locked up for good....at least one of them was. In this two part investigation into their life and crimes, things are definitely going to get uncomfortable and disturbing. So, listener beware. We will give plenty of warning when things are going to get brutal. Sources: Invisible Darkness: The Strange Case Of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka by Stephen Williams https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/key-events-in-the-bernardo-homolka-case-1.933128 https://mckinneylaw.iu.edu/iiclr/pdf/vol7p193.pdf See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hope you're ready. Can you count to two? Yes. I think you can. I think most all of you can. I feel confident in saying that. And well this is the Canadian edition. A. So and a lot of people have requested this case. Along with another Canadian case that we are going to cover, I want to promise everybody because I think people were worried that since we're covering this one we won't cover the other one. No, but we're going to cover all of the cases. We got plenty of time. Until we die. Exactly. Until morbid meets a morbid end.

Which hopefully will be when we're like 200 years old. I don't want to live too long time. long time. But you can. Well today's case is the Kenan Barbie killers. Carla, Helmoka and Paul Bernardo. The grossest humans this side of the Mississippi. Can I just say you? Yeah. Both of them. It's a really... This is one of those cases that a lot of people know about. A lot of people were like oh, I don't know if I can listen to this one because it's that bad. This one is right up there with the toy box killer. It's tough. This is a tough one. And because it involves family. Yeah, and I just want to put it out there if lots of sexual assaults and rape is something you are not comfortable listening to.

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But if you're here, great. Hey, everybody listening still? You're brave. We'll let you know when the super gnarly stuff is coming, by the way. So if you want to give it a shot and you're a little weary about it, I'm going to let you know when the super gnarly stuff is coming by the way. So if you want to give it a shot and you're a little weary about it, I'm going to let you know like this is going to get gnarly guys. Should I say something?

Should I have like a word that I say, like a trigger warning word? I mean I'm just going to say it's going to get gnarly guys. But gnarly code word, like it could just be like, hi! I mean yeah. I'm going to do that every time something gets rough. So I'm gonna say this is gonna get gnarly guys and I'm gonna say, hey, so I'm not gonna do that. But yeah, so this is a crazy case get ready and we really only have one piece of business we're gonna get to because we're gonna thank our patrons our petrion's our petronuses, our beautiful Patrons. Don't lose.

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love is gonna fill your morbid house. Exactly. Okay? Okay. Alright, so without further ado, Parlele and Homoka was born on May 4th, 1970, in Ontario, Canada. I like how you went southern with it, which is not how they speak in Canada. Ontario, you know us in Ontario. Hi, it's Canada. Hi, Canadians are like, Hi, it's Canada.

Go fuck yourself, eh. Should we don't sound like that? Hey, we're just gonna do that a lot. Just kill us later. Because also by the way, we love Canadians. Yeah. Just want to put that out there. We do.

You guys are like the nicest people that's ever existed. You were obsessed with their prime minister for a time. For a time? Yeah, I mean, hello Justin Trudeau. But anyways, her mom's name was Dorothy Seager, I believe. I don't know how to say that. Still is. Yeah, you're right. But anyways, her mom's name was Dorothy Seager, I believe. I don't know how to say that. Still is.

Yeah, you're right. And her dad's name was Karel. I believe is how you do. I think it was actually Carol. Cool. But I'm not positive you might be right. I didn't look up pronunciation. It's K-A-R-E-L.

I think it's Carol. I think I heard it that way at least. Okay. So, Carol was a Czechoslovakian immigrant. Cool. And he worked as a traveling salesman, so he was like a way a lot. He also had a really bad journey problem. And we'll do really mean to her mom and to the kids and he was like really verbally abusive. Cool. So that's a really great start. Yeah, I mean, we're flying off the starting line, right?

Yeah. Carla had two sisters and they kind of would just like run off into their rooms and like come for each other. I would say. When they were younger, but then when they got older, they kind of like fought back to their dad. But I'll get into that later. Carla suffered from asthma from a young age,

and she was actually hospitalized on and off throughout childhood. Pretty much anytime she got too excited or, like, scared of something, it would trigger an asthma attack. Oh damn, just a little sad fact. A little tidbit. Not, like, a fun fact. It's like, I mean, now I'm super glad she suffers from it. I'd scare her all the time.

Yeah. Boo, I would literally, like, stomp on all her inhalers right now. Yeah. That's. Growing up she liked to read Nancy Drew and the hardy boys, like mysteries like that. That's how did I? If you ever read those, never had been to it again. Yeah. She was really bossy. She liked to boss around her friends. She would like always decide what games they were gonna play, what activities to do, and she just like delegated everybody around her like a big b-o-ch. Which it's like if you didn't know what she was going to be later, you'd be like, good for you girl, like way to be a powerful woman and just like take charge, but now you're it's like fuck that bitch. Yeah exactly. Like why are you so bossy? Yeah. Another not fun fact. One day she

decided to make a parachute for her friend's hamster and they tossed it out the window. What? Obviously the parachute didn't work and the hamster died. I am shocked. And then a couple weeks later, Karla decided to dig up the dead hamster to see what a decomosing body looked like. Oh girl. That's from a book. Oh girl. Yeah, it's fucked up. So that's kind of like the first, I mean again, if she didn't do horrible shit later,

I'd be like, that's weird, but like whatever. Yeah, but now? She did horrible shit later. But now it's getting, all these things are so much worse when you put them in context with what she does. Inter perspective and like, really. But yeah, so that was like the first incident

that kind of showed a side of Carla that that was a little dark. Yeah, a little dark. It's also interesting though, because Carla showed a huge love for animals from a really young age. I was gonna say, I remember eating that. She had dreams of becoming a vet

and one of her first jobs was actually at a pet store. So then you wonder if like, I mean, who knows how old she was when she did that? Yeah, and maybe she was young enough that she thought it was going to be an experiment? I don't know, because kids are dumb and crazy. Yeah, they're really dumb. And like, maybe she dug it up because she was interested in animals and she wanted to see what happens later, but it's like, that's still weird.

Yeah, I don't know if all vets started out that way. I'm gonna bet $20 that they didn't. Yeah, I'm willing to bet they didn't, but... Yeah, no, I don't know if all vets started out that way. I don't think they did. I'm gonna bet $20 that they didn't. Yeah, I'm willing to bet they didn't, but... Yeah, no, I don't think so. But anyway, so yeah, in high school people said that it was obvious Carla did not give a single shit what anybody thought of her. Friends said that she liked to yell swears just to get reactions on people, or like pretend...

Yeah, I don't even know. But... This should be a dick. Yeah. She fought with her be a dick yeah she fought with her parents a lot and she was super mouthy toward her parents like her friends were like yeah even I wouldn't be that like chill girl yeah like calm down she didn't dress like the other kids she didn't want to conform to like any like societal norm or like social norm which that's cool yeah Yeah, it is. Again. Without the contact. Yeah. I go, yeah.

I like it. I suppose. Our friends from high school remembered her having super high highs, where she would talk about college and becoming a vet, or even a police officer, which like, if you know, just, I'm just going to tell you to keep putting things into fun. Yeah. Yeah. Later you're going to look back at all of this and be like, whoa, what? I'm gonna be like, what Carla? I feel what's happening. But when she wasn't having her high-haz, she would have her low-low's. She would seem super depressed, introverted, and she actually showed close friends a cut on her wrist,

where she claimed that she tried to kill herself. Oh, boy. And she had also claimed that she tried to OD on sleeping pills. So she talked a lot about wanting to kill herself and like, showed people like cuts and stuff on her arms and... Okay. She definitely like had a lot that she was going through. Her friends were confused though by her personality changes and felt like her parents suicide attempts were just like to get attention. Especially because she's like showing them off like batches of honor. And people also are like she's like wicked full of herself.

Like she thinks she's the shit. So like she's not going to kill herself. Yeah. That's how she came off. Yeah. Like I mentioned before, Carly's parents had a rocky relationship. Another fun fact. Her mom found out that her dad was having an affair one time.

And her like idea of solving it was that they just like have a threesome with his mistress. Whoa! Yeah. That is so- Every dude who's ever had an affair is dream- Wildly-stream literally. I was like, wow.

Like damn Carly's mom. Yeah. But also it's like you can kind of look at that and be like, is that where she got her idea of what was okay? Oh, I mean, if you're looking at that as like your model here. Yeah, like, like some kids won't look at that as their model, but some kids take it in as that's how I live. That's how I need to live.

When you think of everything else that she saw. Yeah, from her parents, she was like, oh, okay, this when you think of everything else that she saw from her parents She was like, okay, this is yeah, so yeah, that was rough I'm yeah, so she was pretty angsty as a teen obviously even though her parents had a rocky relationship Carla was pretty close with her dad, which is interesting because he was like pretty abusive toward the whole family But whenever she needed her wanting something whenever she needed needed her wanted something, she asked him for it. But when they fought, it was like lethal. She and her sister Laurie were known to yell

at their dad, fuck off when fighting with him, and they would call him a dumb check all the time. Whoa! That's how I say that, right? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Damn.

But like you have to think that I'm sure, like their mom like yelled shit at the hint to. Yeah, that's true. I mean, if you learn it, they were just in a piece. Oh, crazy ass. Sad ass. What a family. Oh, sass. Like, out sass.

When Carla wasn't in her woes, she was definitely very confident and interested in flirting with dudes. Before Carla met Paul Bernardo, she dated a guy named Doug and she said that they had sex and Experimented with drugs together. Doug told his friends that they engaged in like pretty normal sex. Yeah, but Carla told an elaborate story involving like heavy BDSM like handcuffs dog collars and he's like yo He was He's like yo, he was Mission Noah For Vanilla, for Vanilla Mission Erie is my preferred position like That's what Doug said. We should make a shirt that says that anyway. That's what Doug said

He says for Vanilla Mission Erie is my favorite position. Dash Doug Doug I love it. I love it. Anyways, and friends were alarmed to hear that from like a sweet young girl at Carl. Like, damn, Carl. Again, they were all suffering. I don't know why I keep doing that. Aside from enjoying your typical Nancy Drew mystery novel, in casual hamster resurrection,

Carlisle was becoming more and more interested in the occult. She did typical shit with her friends like fucking burning candles and sayances and trying to find Ouija boards. Same girl. Yeah. Literally re fucking gay. Yeah. I'm gonna be on that one and that's it.

That's as far as we go together. I won't even go toward Ouija boards. It's fucked that. I know I won't even. I did though. I never did. I've never touched a Ou WG board. It's fucked that. I know I won't even. I did though. I never did. I've never touched a WG board. Really? I fucking refuse. And the day my dumbass kid, my dumbass future kid comes home with a goddamn WG board, they're evicted. I never had one, but I definitely did them at parties. You're evicted if you've done a WG board. All right. Future kid take note. Yeah. But friends also report seeing small circles carved

into her arms colored in with different nail polish. Whoa. And she wrote in a book Michelle Remembers. That's like the title of the book. It's about like Satanism, sexual abuse, repressed memories. Uh-oh. She wrote in the book, there is always something more left to say. Whoa. Yeah. So I wonder if she was sexually abused.

I wonder. Obviously before she met Paul. Yeah. I didn't read anything about that. Yeah. I've heard about anything. But I do wonder. I definitely wonder based on a lot of shit in this case. Like I'm not going to accuse anybody but... No, me either, but... Just saying. 100%. Maybe all these strange tendencies and seemingly darker fantasies are what made her so interested in Paul. Maybe.

So, Paul Bernardo was born on August 27th, 1964 in Scarborough, Ontario, to Kenneth and Marilyn Bernardo. Kenneth was a disgusting beast of a human. Yeah, he had a real bad childhood. Yeah, his childhood is actually, I don't excuse anything he did because of it, but it's really sad if he hadn't turned into a garbage human. But yeah, his dad was a beast of a human. If you can even refer to him as a human, just human garbage. Yeah, not even human. He faced charges for pedophilia, child molestation, being a peeping tom, and he was also a molesting Paul sister. Jesus! Yes, guys! If that wasn't

enough, he also verbally and physically abuse the entire family, and he shocked, was horrible to Paul's mother. He called her like every name in the book like bitch fat cow or sad mean names. I'm really setting up some winners here for real. Paul's mom suffered from depression. Crazy. I know. Yeah. Why? Wow. I don't know if it was before or because of everything but but that doesn't really help. Yeah. And she tended to remove herself from the family. She would like go away like for the weekend by herself to visit her family or like just she was like gone all the time and Eventually she moved into the basement of the family's home. She moved to the basement

Oh my lord interesting somehow after all of that Paul was described as pretty happy and normal But Paul was described as pretty happy and normal. Adults thought that he would, like the adults around him thought that he was like super well-mannered. Wow. He was a well-adjusted child. Adults had Bundy. His happiness and innocence took a turn at 16.

Adults had Bundy when he learned that his father was not actually his biological father. And that his mother had an affair, which resulted in her becoming pregnant. So one, the guy who he thought was your father is like an awful pedophile child rapist peeping Tom, wife of a buser, and you're like upset. That he's not your biological parent. That's what I said. Because I'd be like, oh mom, you had an affair. Good for you. Awesome. Super glad I don't share that dude's DNA.

Yeah, that just shows how fucked up Paul is from the get-go. Because I would literally be like, oh, thank God. Breathing a sigh of relief. I'd be like, no, none of that dude's DNA runs through my veins. That's great. I don't need it. Great news.

Pop the champagne. Paul was like mad and you're a whore and oh so he already had that like women are the problem thing from the beginning. Yeah. Oh Paul. Wonder regular into that. Wonder. He started verbally abusing his mom and called her all the things that Kenneth did and he called her horror, a snake, and a bitch, and all those fun things. He started working at AMY after high school. He pretty much started using the sales tactics that he was learning. To flirt with women. So he would like practice his sales techniques at bars and pick up women and bring them home. Except it didn't last very long with these women because he was a fucking psycho.

He had super dark sexual fantasies. You don't say. Hi, Carla. He was abusive. I was like, hey! She's like me too. Do you hear about me, Doug? And Doug's like, no.

It's vervenila. Vervenila. Vervenila missionary. Carla. Good. So he was abusive to these women and threatened and kill women if they ever spoke of what he did to them. Hey cool!

Yeah! Yeah. October 17th, 1987. Paul and Carla, cross paths. Oh, the romance began. She is 17. He's 23. And also a rapist, which Elena will get into.

Sure will. The two meet at a hotel restaurant, and just a few short hours later, they are having sex in a hotel room. Oh wow. True love. True love. Live your best life.

I will begin. It's an instant connection for the absolute worst. Yeah. Absolutely. They start dating and Carlos family fucking loves Paul. That's what I read. They're like obsessed with Paul. Like her sisters say that he was like

the brother they always wanted. Yeah, he's a true like psychopath, yes you have. He learned how to win everybody over. He lived like more than two hours from Carla, but he would like make the drive all the time and just like come over and visit her. What a gent. But all of that short lived because a year in in she tells her friends that he's already verbally abusing her.

Cool. But she forgives him and on December 24th, Christmas Eve of 1989, they become engaged at Niagara Falls. Oh, snap. But he's already a rapist. He sure is, guys. He sure is. This is my friend Alina. Hey! I'm new. Be nice. So I'm gonna fill you guys in on all the terrible rapy things here. So things are about to get

gnarly for a minute. Slightly gnarly, they're gonna get even gnarlier after that. So just strap in everybody, hold on to those butts. Hold on to your butt. Glue, super glue your butt together. So by this point, by the time that Carla and Paul had met, had started dating, all that good, delicious, romantic stuff. Romance. Paul was already a pretty well-established

rapist. Great. Obviously no one knew he was a rapist, but his crimes were being attributed to what the media and investigation in police were referring to as the Scarborough rapist. Scarborough rapist. Obviously they didn't know him, but you know they find out later don worry. So, in 1987 is when he began really on this Scarborough rapist path? Mind you, 1989 was when they were engaged. Yeah, so he had been a rapist for two years. Now, he began a series of up to 24 rapes or attempted rapes during a five-year period at this point. In scene.

Yeah. He mostly was after teenage girls. He liked very young girls. Gross. And very young women, basically. Most of the attacks happened outside, which is very odd. And I'm going to get into a couple of them. Obviously, I'm not going to name anybody.

I'm just going to give you an idea of where how these things happened. OK. Tons of them happened outdoors in very crazy, like scary spooky ways. But at least one time, he did break into a victim's house and tried to rape her in her room.

Good bye, good bye. And I'll get into that. The attacks were also came along with beatings, intense verbal abuse. And then he would threaten the victim. If you tell anyone about this, I'm coming back here because usually he would do it around their house. And he even stole one girl's ID, right?

Yeah, and he would do it around their house. So he knew where they lived. So he said, I'll come right back here and I'll murder you and your whole family. If you say anything, that's so fun. So that's why a lot of these people, a lot of them did report it luckily, but some of them didn't until way later.

So I'm just gonna go through a couple of these, a few of these, just to give you an idea of what a fucked up monster he is. Great. May 4th, 1987, he raped a 21-year-olds in Scarborough. He did it in the front of her parents yard. Oh my god. After he followed her home, like literally raped her in front of her parents house. May 14th, 1987, so only a few days later, raped a 19 year old woman in the backyard of her parents house. Jesus.

Yup. July 17th, 1987, he attempted to rape a young woman, but he like beat the hell out of her, but she fought the hell back and he abandoned it. Shit. So good for that girl. I was gonna say, you girl girl girl. September 29th, 1987, he attempted to rape a 15-year-old girl.

He did this, this is the one that he broke into her home. My God. And he entered into her bedroom, a 15-year-old who's asleep. He jumped on her back, put his hand over her mouth, threatened her with a knife, bruised the side of her face, and bent her ear. Oh my God! He then, but he fled before he was able to do anything else, because her mother came in the room and started screaming. Jesus Christ. See, hold on. That girl would literally never go to sleep again. No, and how would you ever fall asleep now? The worst thing is with this one is a 19 year old named Anthony Hannah Mayer was convicted of this crime in 1989

and he served 16 month prison sentence. Wow. But he was exonerated after Bernardo admitted to this. Oh my God. So this poor guy got nailed for this. Yeah. May 25th, 1988, he was actually very close to being caught, and it's like, oh, it's like so frustrating because so many lives could have been saved.

He was almost caught by a uniformed Metro Toronto investigator who was staking out a bus shelter because he had picked up another 15 year olds from like a bus stop. So they were staking out the bus stops. The investigator noticed him hiding under bushes. Like what the fuck? Pursued him and he got away. He was just like too fast. Yeah, he was able to run away.

Wow. Isn't that crazy? In October 4th, 1988, he attempted another rape in Scarborough, but his victim fought him off, but he was able to stab her in the thigh and buttock and she required more than 12 stitches. Oh my God. So he wasn't afraid to actually stab people already. Like he was not, if you were gonna fuck with him,

he was gonna kill you. He just didn't do it yet. November 16th, 1988, he raped an 18 year old woman in the backyard of her parents house. November 17th, 1988, is when the Metro police finally formed a task force to get the Scarborough rapist. In 1989, around August, he raped a 22-year-old woman that he had stalked her outside of her apartment window the night before and then waited for her to come home. Are you serious? Yeah. That's terrifying. Like he beat decayed it. Literally. Yeah, he beat decayed it. Fuck, beat decay.

So in 1990, May 26, 1990, he raped another 19 year old woman, but his victim had a very vivid recollection of what he looked like. Yes. And the police were able to create a computer composite portrait of him. They released it two days later by the police. They published it in Toronto,

all the Toronto area newspapers, all over the news, and they got around 16,000 responses to it. And three of those responses were from people who said it was Paul Bernardo. And that portrait. Investigators did question Bernardo twice because he lived in his parents' Scarborough home at the time. Right.

He was interviewed November 20th, 1990. It only lasted about 35 minutes. He voluntarily provided samples for forensic testing. Yeah, that's scary. He was balzy. When they asked Bonardo why he thought he was being investigated for this, he said that, I guess I look like the picture.

Wow. Like he just was, what, like he was like fearless with this. Like he was like, sure, you can have my, my seaman. And then he was like, yeah, sure, I look like the portrait. Like he was not at all. Well, because in his mind, he probably was like, I'm never gonna get caught. Cause he was a fucking psychopath. Cause he was like, yeah, and Leonardo's this.

The detectives said he was super credible and they believed him. So he was released. That's so scary to me. And again, they took samples of his hair, blood, and saliva for DNA testing, which you'd be like, okay, well, they can nail him right away. For how did they not? Well, this was back in 1990, what was it? 1990.

1990? This was 1990 when they brought him in. DNA testing was super new in Canada. They only, the Center for In forensic sciences in Toronto only had one qualified scientist and one technician that could do this. So the samples taken were among dozens of other samples that they had taken to compare to the Scarborough Rapist case. And I think they had around like 50,000 samples collected at this time. So it just took a long time. He

just kind of got put in the backlog and they were making their way through. It's crazy though that he was like, yeah, I'm gonna get away with that. He's like, they're gonna test it eventually, dude. He didn't give a shit. Well, whatever. So like Assa said, Carlos family fucking loved Paul. He really fucking did. Especially her sister Tammy, who was her younger sister at the time. She was around 15 years old. She really loved Paul. Paul took a special liking to her as well.

Because he's a fucking pervert. Now at this point, he had lost his job as an accountant and was actually working smuggling cigarettes across the Canada United States border. Wow, so fancy. His family, her family did not know about this. But like we said, Paul had a very weird obsession and infatuation with Tammy. Gross.

In 1990, Paul started to pressure Carla to allow him to have sex with Tammy. What? You know, normal relationship issues, right? No. You're, you know, your fiance at the time is just like, you know, I'd love it if you would let me have sex with your younger sister.

Ew. Like what the fuck, dude? That really grosses me on on like a whole. This is like a galactic level. So this just again, another warning, this is about to get real gnarly, so get ready. This stress is, this case is so fucking stressful. Now one of the main issues that was in their relationship,

because Carla was all about pleasing Paul. Right. Carla would do anything he wanted. They established like a subdom kind of relationship pretty early on, and she was fully the subbed. Doug was not into it. No, Doug was vervenella. And Paul was like, let's do this. Paul is a pure novelist.

She called Carla, called Paul like her king, all that stuff, like treated him like a king, like whatever he wanted he got. Yeah. So she was all about pleasing him. That's all she lived for. And one of the things that he was really upset about was that Carla had had sex with Doug before they met. So she was not a virgin. Shit. And he was really upset about was that Carla had had sex with Doug before they met.

So she was not a virgin. And he was real upset about that because he had a real thing for taking girls' virginity. Like what? Because Paul is a fucking splatter on the canvas of life. That's what he is. That's funny. He's a shit splatter on the canvas of life. You'll Paul, you will shit stay He's a shit splatter on the canvas of life. You'll Paul, you were shit-stain.

You are shit splatter, Paul. Now, obviously at this point, we're in 1990, he loved taking girls' virginity, usually without their consent. Yes, I was going to say. Let's be real, not our best. He did a real knack for that. He did have a knack for that. So Paul was so infatuated with Tammy that he would make Carla dress up as Tammy and act

like her during sex. Yo, that's like, I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I would- I you need euthanasia but like and she still needs euthanasia like this is bonkers. He also took to watching Tammy undress outside of her window and Carla always wanting to please Paul would actually leave windows open and broke Tammy's shade so that he would have better access to do this. Are you kidding?

And he would literally stand out there and jack it. And Carla would like help him. I don't want to know any of this information What is the human race everybody? What are we? What's happening? Where did we go wrong? I don't get this So this was to her to Carla. This was her way of giving him Tammy And hoping that he would be satisfied with this That's so horrific in and of itself. Because remember, he was pressuring her to have sex with her, to have it take her virginity.

So she was like, maybe I'll just do this and he'll be satisfied, but it's like, nope. He wasn't. No. Like spoiler alert. I was just gonna say spoiler alert. Shot breaking news, he was not. Oh, God.

Now, weird little side note in July, he took Tammy across the border to get beer for a party, and Bernardo later told Carla that they quote, got drunk and began making out. Uh-oh. And Carla was like, okay, cool. I'm surprised. I'm like, I don't even know if I'm just surprised he didn't rape her. I know.

I think he was trying to groom her. Yeah. To get, I don't think he wanted to forcibly do it. I think he wanted it to be like easy. Yeah. As we'll see. So this is when she was like, all right, I'm going to give Paul Tammy's virginity because it's obviously hers to give, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah. Obviously. At this point, Carla was working out of vet clinic because she loves, she loves animals so much guys. Remember, she's such a great person. So weird. So she had access to all kinds of

trancidation methods and you know stuff they use on animals. Yeah. Not humans. So in July of 1990, she stole a bottle of valium from the clinic in order to sedate her sister to give her to Paul. That's really fucked up. On this particular night in July, she made Tammy a pletive spaghetti, which was apparently something she did often for a younger sister, because Carla was such a great big sis. Totally. But this was not the typical pletive spaghetti,

because this one contained a dose of the volume. Oh, shit. So Tammy went out cold, because volume will fuck you up in big amounts. And Paul was able to begin to rape her while Carla watched. She watched. Oh yeah. Oh, she does much worse. I was really Canadian, I feel. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, that was Minnesota. Yeah. I'm everywhere. I know there's more later, but I didn't know that she was. There's much worse later. Well, I didn't know that, but.

So, but unfortunately for them, Tammy woke up because Valium will not knock you out cold for too long. For sure. So she woke up, but by that point, Paul had like removed himself from the situation. So they just pretended everything was fine. They were like, oh, like, where do you fall asleep? You're crazy. We're done. I'm in bed with you. Yeah everything was fine. They were like, oh, yeah, like, where'd you fell asleep? You're crazy. We're done.

I'm in bed with you. Yeah, totally fine. Over that same summer, he said, it was said that he supplied Tammy and her friends with gifts, food, and soft drinks. And her friends said that it was weird because the soft drinks had, quote, a film and a few white flecks on the top.

So pretty sure he was trying to drug all those girls. Oh my god. Yep. Now they put a pin in this one for a while, but he wanted more. Yeah. So in December 1990, on Christmas Eve, which they engaged in 89 on Christmas Eve, right? So a year into their engagement to the day. Now six months before their wedding, by the way, they put another plan into action. The whole family was over. They had a one over the homoca's house. They had a great Christmas dinner. They were celebrating. Paul had his

famous video camera out and he filmed a ton that night because you know this toolbag loves to take videos of stuff as we'll see. Once the whole family went off to bed, Paul and Carla told Tammy that she should hang with them for a bit and watch a movie. Now they all went down to the furnished basement and they offered her some rum and eggnog, so some spiked eggnog. And if anyone is a little sibling who is listening right now, you know that like so excited. All you want is to hang out with your cool older sister or brother. And especially if they have like a cool girlfriend or boyfriend that you love. And I was a younger sibling, you know, so like I get it. All you want is to be like cool with them. And like included. And you're 15 years old and like you want some spike

diagnosed. You're gonna be like, yeah, dude. Like you think you can trust these people. It's your older sister. And her boyfriend who you love poor Tammy man well so Tammy was super into it well Carla laced that drink with halifane which is which is a much stronger it's used for anesthesia for ant like dogs oh my god and obviously when they use it for anesthesia and dogs it's it's pretty well um d You know, it's dosed for the weight, for the breed, for the type, you know, everything. But this is really not dosed. This is what she was doing.

No, and this wasn't dosed, because this was just, here's a shit ton of hal thing. Hal thing also is like, it decompresses your like airways and stuff if you take too much. Like it's a really intense drug. I looked up a bunch of stuff about it. There's a lot of shit ton about it, but it's a really intense drug. You shouldn't be shoving it in someone's face. Just don't do it. So Tammy soon went on

Just don't just don't do it guys. Yeah, don't do that. So Tammy soon went unconscious And this is where things get really bad really bad. So this is when Paul began raping Tammy while Carla filmed it on the video camera, which is beyond fucking human comprehension. And this is the same video camera and the same tape that they just filmed Christmas on. Like an investigator said it literally goes from Christmas celebration to raping an unconscious Tammy. That's insane. Now So just know Carla is just as bad as Paul. Oh, she's worse. You will see this bitch should not be out right now, which by the way, she's out.

Yeah. Anybody listening in Canada? I'm sure you know that she is out. Now, all the while, whenever Tammy would kind of like stir awake, because she had just been dosed with it, they would hold a halathane soaked cloth over her face to knock her back out. So they were just like, please don't say her. So that she was just inhaling it.

She had just ingested it and now she's inhaling it in her airways. This whole thing was filmed. It wasn't just Paul raping Tammy. Paul would rape Tammy. Then he would encourage Carla to rape Tammy, so he would take the video camera, and he filmed her raping, her younger sister, who is unconscious. Ew, ew, ew. And they took many turns, it is all on film, and it was used against, well, mostly against him later.

But yeah, she, they're fucking monsters. That made me like, actually, nauseous. Eventually, Tammy began vomiting and started to aspirate on her own vomit. Because no one was fucking helping her, she's just laying there being brutalized, and she's choking on her own vomit. So Paul and Carla, instead of trying to help her, just got her dressed, cleaned her up and called 911. What? Oh, and brought her up to her room to make sure that it wasn't weird that she was down there. So Tammy had a gnarly chemical burn on her face from the

halithane being pressed on her face with the cloth. Like crazy burns. Like there's there's autopsy photos of Tammy Humolka and I've seen them. I'm sure a lot of people have their like part of the case. Their intense. I mean one whole side of her face is just a red blotch. Oh my god. It's insane. So obviously you would think that when the ambulance people, when the EMTs and when the police said they'd be like, uh, what's that about? They would be like, uh, and it's a fucking chemical burn. Right. They both just claimed they were like,

oh, she got drunk and crazy. And, you know, like that's how she started choking on her embomment because she just was super drunk. And the Niagara Regional Police asked them about the burn mark, and Bernardo said that it was a carpet burn that she got when he dragged her into her bedroom. And they were like, oh, okay. And they were just like, okay. Like what?

That's clearly a chemical. How they didn't realize that was a chemical burn? Like how the pathologist didn't be like, hey, that just blows my mind that they just left that go. I mean, that is some fucked up shit right there. They should have looked at that. It was honored, like, lips and honor cheek. It's crazy.

I would say, I'm gonna post pictures from this case like we always do. I might post a photo of that for anybody who does want to see it. I will put a warning before that photo, so it won't be just you flicking through and you're gonna see it if you don't want to. Yeah. So don't worry. But uh it's crazy. So she was rushed to St. Catherine's General Hospital and was pronounced dead right when she got there. Her death was ruled and accident despite the copious amounts of evidence to the contrary. And did she, how did they not find the,

despite the copious amounts of evidence to the contrary. And did you, how did they not find the, what was that drug called? Hallothane, that wasn't found in her system. No idea how this, none of this was found. Like what? Yeah. And maybe who knows? I don't even know, I don't know if they did a toll autopsy if they did a tox screen,

because they wouldn't have found it if they didn't do a tox screen. And if they're just saying, yeah, she would just drunk a lot on her sister with a L, they might not have asked for it. So it's just, it's bonkers. Now this is where things get even crazier. If that's even humanly possible.

Crazy. Three weeks after Tammy Homoka's death, Carla and Paul filmed a video that is now referred to as quote, the fire side chat. They did this in the home-alcohol house. The video was viewed as court evidence, and so the poor people, the poor jurors had to like listen to this. And it, there's a transcript of it online. Maybe I'll post that somewhere so you guys can read it if you want to.

No, thanks. I just want to put it out there in case anybody, because I know I said everything about the toy box killer transcript and people wouldn't found it. So I'll put it out there in case anybody because I know I said everything about the toy box killer Transcript and people wouldn't found it. So I'll put it out there if you want to it's pretty crazy It starts in the basement where they kill me. Yeah, and the two of them are naked and our laying in front of the fire and They're you know, I don't think I've ever heard this part. Doing various sex acts while Carla literally says multiple times,

how much she loved watching him rape Tammy, and that she loved raping Tammy, and in its graphic as fuck. This Carla is a scary, scary lady. and so is Paul. They're both I mean terrifying. Like what happens in the He also says that she loved watching him rape the other young girl a few days before that. So she's already implicating that he's done this before. She then says she wants to do that for him every weekend and get him all the virgins he wants.

She even says, and this is awful, so get ready. Hey! Narlie stuff coming up. She even says she wants four kids with him so he can rape them all. Whoa! Yep. Like actually, and is saying this in like a sexy kitty voice as she's like performing full-as you. What the fuck?

Yep. Yep. Then she takes a long stand and there's a lot more to it, but then she takes a long-stemmed red rose and puts it all over his naked body. Then says she wants to leave this rose at Tammy's grave because it's been all over his intimate places and it would give him pleasure to leave it at her grave after that. So she was real sorry about what happened to Tammy. I am having an anxiety attack on her.

Maybe we need a palette cleanser. I need to be done. This is your palette cleanser with Annie. I've been to Disney World 11 times. My favorite ride is Splash Mountain. This has been your palette cleanser with Annie. So if that wasn't bad enough guys! I want to go home! At some point the filming of this fire side shot moved into Tammy's bedroom. Tammy's room? Yep. Were they at Carla's house? Yeah, they were at the parent, the homo- Oh, oh. Remember because they were in the basement where it happened.

Oh, fuck! Paul goes into this weird, like, soliloquy about how much he loves Tammy and calls her his baby, taking all these, like, shots of pictures of her in her room, like, any saying, like, hi, Tammy. Love you, Tammy. Bye. And then Carla shows up in the frame dressed up in Tammy's clothing. Pretends to be her and even talks in her voice. Excuse you? Yep.

And says things like I hope Carla doesn't find out about us and shit. And then they eventually have sex on Tammy's bed. No, no, no. Is it over? Are we done with part one? Almost. No. I need a palette cleanser again. It's pretty rough. Are you fucking, where was her family? I don't know why they were, I mean, I think they were just like away at some point. Yeah.

Yep. And the poor jurors had a lot of fun. How did she not die in prison? Because she didn't get enough time to it, I don't think. This whole Tami situation obviously gave them a taste, not only for sexually assaulting and raping young girls, but also killing them when felt like they had to. It seems like their criteria for whether or not someone lived

was whether or not they could identify them at this point. Oh okay okay okay. So they started to they decided to start using Carla like she offered to lure young girls for them to rape. Like she said in the video I want to do this for you. So why don't you just punch her in the face every single day multiple times a day until she dies. Luckily I think people make her life pretty miserable. She has to move like everywhere. Do they trust me? And again, we're good into that later because we'll give you the whole shebang on where she is right now. But so Carla, before she worked at the vecklinic, worked at a pet store. When she worked at the pet store, I think it was like two years before that.

She kind of befriended this girl who was 15 years old. Who worked there? Normal. On June 7th, 1991, she invited the girl who they was only referred to as Jane Doe. Uh-huh. Uh, she invited her out for a girl's night out. They went out, they went shopping, they had dinner,

and then Carla was like, hey, do you want to come back to my house and we can have some drinks and just hang out? Because you would never fucking think that's weird. I can't even tell you how many times I've done that. Exactly. And it's like, and it's a girl. It's another girl. It's another woman. That you work with. You would never think anything about that. So she laced her alcohol with Helping. And when the girl lost consciousness, she called Bernardo and said,

Hey, I have a surprise wedding gift for you. Come over. They, he got there, they undressed Jane Doe and Paul videotaped Humolka, raping her first. And then he raped her. Now, the next morning, Jane Doe woke up and she was throwing up. She was nauseated. She was sick from the Hall of Fame.

But she thought it was because that was the first time she'd ever drank alcohol. Oh my God. Which house that is that? I've never fucked her in my life. So, she had no idea that she had been sexually assaulted. And she just thought that she had like a cool girl all night. Yep. She thought she had a cool girl for a night and she was like, yeah, it's the first time

I drank alcohol, I guess I got sick. Oh my God. Yep. Now Jane Doe left, none the wiser. She was invited back in August to spend the night, and they did the, basically the same thing they did to Tammy again. And Jane Doe stopped breathing after she was drugged and after Paul had began to rape her. So it was basically the Tammy thing. Carla called 911 because she stopped breathing and she was like, oh shit.

But then called back a few minutes later and said, everything's alright because they had revived her. The ambulance was called back and there was no follow-up. That's so Jane does survived. But what the fuck? Was that the last time they fucked with her? That was the last time they fucked with her. Now, this is just a little side thing.

In 2001, the magazine Elm Street published an article that they kind of implied that forensic evidence said that Tammy's death was definitely not an accident. Like that not not that I'm saying you know what I mean like that it was intentional on Carla's part like she wanted to kill her sister. Yeah. That this wasn't like whoops we overdosed you. They said that she deliberately administered an overdose of Hallithane and the magazine said that Carla was quote a malignant narcissist who was so pissed off that Paul was so fucking infatuated

with her younger sister and not her. That she had to get rid of her. That she had to remove Tammy from the equation. Oh my God. I mean, it makes fucking sense. It makes total sense. And it's like, but then she continues to dress up as her and everything.

But maybe it's like now she doesn't have to worry about Tammy being the thing. She can just roleplay. And she's so psychotic that it's her. Exactly. So I just thought that was like an interesting, because I believe that. I told her 100% believe that.

Because as a vet, if she was a veterinary assistant, a vet-tack- She would know what it takes. If she was working in a vet office at all, she would know that what she was giving her was an overdose. I'm sure she wouldn't know the exact dosage because you would have to, you know, study that. It translated into human dose 2 from animal dose.

Yeah. But you know that like if you're giving this much to a 30 pound dog, 110 pound, like I don't know how much you weighed, but like she was 15, like 110 pound girl, you're not gonna give the same dose to, but it's like you're also not gonna give her like 40 times that dose, you know what I mean? It's like, so I think she knew what she was doing.

And I do believe that she would wanna remove her sister and that it would be no skin off her back. And she would probably know that she was gonna burn her fucking face. Oh yeah, she would want to remove her sister and that it would be no skin off her back. And she would probably know that she was going to burn her fucking face. Oh yeah, she would definitely, because you would know that you don't fucking put that right on top of skin. Like I'm sure, and I'm sure they would have to, when they administered it, like wear gloves and shit. Exactly. I'm sure they knew like don't spill that.

And that they didn't put it directly on the animal skin. Right, exactly. Exactly. They probably did it in some kind of intubation kind of thing. Yeah. So she knew what the fuck she was doing. But we're going to stop here for part one. Bye. We will take it back up next week with part two where we will talk about the brutal rape and murder of Kristen French and Leslie Mahafi. Oh, you know it's weird. I have some sick time that I haven't used yet. So I'm gonna use that for next week, okay?

Oh yeah, yeah. The sick time for the morbid podcast. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna have to say no to that sick time request. Sorry. I'm sick, sorry. I'm really sick that day.

I know I'm gonna be, you know what? I think we're all gonna be really sick that day. Yeah, I think so too. I'm pretty sick this day So yeah, so this was a doozy guys and it's only gonna get worse. No, so Stick with us. We're gonna get through this together. We're all gonna hold hands We got through the toy box killer together. We're gonna get through this. No, I think this is worse I think it's worse in like a different way. I think it's as bad. They're on different planes.

Yeah. Of bad. They're on the same wavelengths. Yeah, I don't think one is worse. But different lengths. Different wavelengths. So bad. It's because it's like a family.

Yeah. Yeah. And Carla is just, I mean, Paul is a fucking monster. I'm not letting him off. She's a monster. And they're in a different fucking way now. But they're just too... You raped your sister for your man.

Oh yeah. Nothing's good about this. And just as a little side note, we will be hitting Robert Pectens, which is the other Canadian serial killer case. Oh, okay. That a lot of people want to hear. I promise we're going gonna hit that one. It's on our list.

We just want to hit this one first. So, fear not, Canadian listeners. And yeah, so I think we all got through this together. And we're gonna get through part two. In the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram at... morbid podcast. You can tweet us. A morbid podcast.

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