Morbid - Episode 535: Florence Burns and the Murder of Walter Brooks

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

When twenty-year-old Walter Brooks was found dead from a bullet to the head on Valentine’s Day 1902, suspicion immediately fell on Brooks’ nineteen-year-old sometimes-girlfriend, Florence... Burns. The two were known to have a tumultuous relationship and had fought violently on the morning of his death, and there was considerable evidence indicating that Burns had been in the hotel room at the time of Brooks’ murder. However, despite all the evidence indicating guilt, Florence Burns was never brought to trial for Brooks’ murder or even formally charged with a crime, and Walter Brooks murder officially remains an unsolved case in New York.While the story of Walter Brooks and Florence Burns is relatively uncomplicated in terms of the crime around which the story is built, the story is a remarkable illustration of the ways in which things like class, gender, and technological advances can influence and even shape how the law is applied in the United States. Indeed, at the time of the murder, the nation was undergoing incredibly social and cultural changes as a result of dramatically expanded transportation and communication technology, giving rise to a youth culture the likes of which had never been seen in the nation prior. That youth culture and the rebelliousness it produced in many young wealthy Americans played a direct role, not only in Walter’s life and death, but also in the socio-cultural perspectives and Victorian beliefs that allowed Florence to get away with murder.Thank you to the wondrous Dave White of Bring me the Axe Podcast & 99 Cent Rental for Research!ReferencesEvening World. 1902. "Denised she shot broker in hotel." Evening World, February 15: 1.Ferranti, Seth. 2019. The Affluenza Murder Case That Shocked America 100 Years Ago. March 15. Accessed December 11, 2023. https://www.vice.com/en/article/d3meyv/the-affluenza-murder-case-that-shocked-america-100-years-ago.McConnell, Virginia A. 2019. The Belle of Bedford Avenue: The Sensational Brooks-Burns Murder in Turn-of-the-Century New York. Kent, OH: The Kent State University Press.New York Times. 1902. "Brooks murder case ends." New York Times, May 21: 5.—. 1903. "Florence Burns on the stage." New York Times, February 15: 10.—. 1902. "Jerome on Burns case." New York Times, March 25: 7.—. 1902. "Man shot, girl arrested ." New York Times, February 16: 3.New York Tribune. 1910. "Florence Burns again in hands of police." New York Tribune, September 21: 1.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:28 ad free by subscribing to Wendri Plus in the Wendri app or on Apple podcasts. Hey, weirdos, I'm... I'm Elena. And this is salt burn. Oh God. No, you can't say that because you haven't freaking watched it yet. I know.
Starting point is 00:00:57 Here's the thing. She said, wait, no, she said she might. Yeah, because here's the thing. It's TikTok. TikTok, well, it influences me. Can I tell you how heavily, heavily offended I am right now that I sat here many a- nope. I think Mikey can get on board with the fact
Starting point is 00:01:13 that you did not sell Sulpern. No, but I recommended it to you multiple times. You did. How was I supposed to sell it to you? I don't know. Was I supposed to run around a mansion and say, it's a matter of the time, so. I supposed to sell it to you? I don't know. Was I supposed to run around to mansion and say, it's a murder on the town's wall? I think I had to, I'm still not sure if I'm going to watch it because it feels too long.
Starting point is 00:01:31 No, you gotta. You didn't even sell it the second, when I said I was going to watch it, you were like, by the way, like half the movie, they're not even in Saltbird and it's kind of slow. I just want you to know what you're in for. No, I appreciate that. I'm an honest goerly. You are. You're an honest gal. You're not a salesman. No, I'm really you to know what you're in for. No, I appreciate that. I'm an honest goerly. You are. You're an honest gal.
Starting point is 00:01:47 You're not a salesman. No, I'm really not a salesman. I don't, I'm not into that. None of us are. Sometimes on the ads, I feel like I do a good job, though. You do. I have a code for you, babe. I have a code for you, babe.
Starting point is 00:01:58 I have a code for you. It's TikTok that has made me think that I should watch it. But then I'm also like, I think I've watched it now at this point. Like all the things I need to see. I think I've seen on TikTok. You haven't watched the movie until you watched that movie. There are some movies that on TikTok, if you see certain scenes, it's like, yeah, I watched that movie pretty much. Salpern, you got to watch that movie. Maybe I will. Maybe I should just film my reactions to it. Please do so.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Because it seems all because that song is stuck in my head. Some letter on the dance floor. I that one precisely. You better not kill the groom. I thought for a while she was saying, you better not kill the groom. Ash has this awesome quirk about her. And it's everybody's favorite, like I'm being dead serious, that I love it. That she always gets the lyrics wrong.
Starting point is 00:02:45 But her lyrics are always more fun. They are. And I'm like, I like believe them. Oh, with her whole heart. Like we were talking about it earlier, that Yoohoo song. Yeah, from like Jobbreaker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Ash had a great version for that. Okay, so it's a, the real things are like, she said Yoohoo. And then it just says, ah, Yoohoo. Ah, Yoo who. And then it just says, I you who. I you who. So I thought it said, I, queen, I, queen. She's so beautiful.
Starting point is 00:03:12 But it doesn't at all. But I was singing those lyrics for weeks. Yeah, because like, isn't that what it says? It says like, she said you who? She said you who. Or like, I said you who? Yeah. And then it says like, ah, you who, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Yeah, your lyrics are. Mine are better. Primo. She's so beautiful. And the way that's the face. She's so beautiful. She's so beautiful. Like it's just, it's so good.
Starting point is 00:03:35 You're welcome. That's what I sing every time I hear it. Oh, and then hold on one more. Let me just chew my own horn. Beep, beep. Remember the OG one that I think we realized it with was walking on a dream. Yes by Empire of the Sun.
Starting point is 00:03:48 And they say like is it real now when two people become one? Yeah. But I say is it grandma? Is she making pecan pie? And she was so serious that those were the lyrics. Yeah I didn't think those were the lyrics but I was like I don't know what you say. She knew it. In her heart. So serious that those were the lyrics. I didn't think those were the lyrics, but I was like, I don't know what you're saying. She knew it.
Starting point is 00:04:05 It's hard. So you know what, peek in pie or schmeek in pie. That's what I always say. We have a story to tell today. It's always hard when we have to transition out of our redonkulous speak in the beginning. I mean, because we speak silly. We just do. Or redonkulous, if you will. We have silly existences.
Starting point is 00:04:27 We have silly little things going on. Silly little lives. And now we're gonna be talking about some really intense murder. Yeah, so good. So, you know, this is a bonkers tale. Just because of like the people involved, like I'm gonna be talking about Florence Burns and the murder of Walter Brooks
Starting point is 00:04:46 We're gonna be talking about this little like they're called like the Bedford St. Avenue gang or something like that But it's a bunch of like rich kids. Oh, this gang who just are like I'm bored with being rich So I'm gonna cause trouble who the fuck it's a lot of being our bunker out of here like thing I've ever seen like it just, it feels made up. Wait, what's the year? So the year of this is... Sorry to stump ya. It's like the early 1900s, like 1901. Oh, okay. Around that time. It's always funny to hear the 1900s. I don't know why. I'm telling you early 19... Remember, I can't think of the the gang, but we were doing a crime countdown episode and there was like another group of rich kids that
Starting point is 00:05:33 got bored of being rich and made a gang and it was like the white Bronco gang or something. You know what I'm talking about? We're gonna have to look back on that. Yeah, that's all I had right now. Oh, I miss crime countdown. I do too, every single day of my life. This is so fun. I miss it. Max Cutler, you rock. Max Cutler is great. Yeah, bring back crime countdown. Sorry if you can hear my ice.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Ice baby. But let's get into this with, let's start off with who Florence Burns is. Yeah. So who is Florence? Tell me. Now, at the dawn of the 20th century, the United States was definitely undergoing a pretty big social and cultural change,
Starting point is 00:06:12 mostly because there was major advances in technology and transportation. That's gonna cause huge swooping changes all the way around because that's allowing Americans to travel outside of the relatively closed Regions that they were living in. What is the space that you're making? I'm just like in a silly goofy mood Transportation and then you said Americans could like take it how I could think of was the Charlie XCX I wish it, let's ride. I don't even know what that is.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Me and Mikey are just looking at each other. It's from the Barbie movie, isn't it? Maybe not. Mikey became that shrug emoji. Like, I don't know. I've got to play it for her. It's the beginning of the song. And she just goes, let's ride.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Because as I'm saying this, I'm like, what is happening? Because she's just like, I know I need to get out of this. Throwing her head back. I'm like, what's going on? I've got to get out of my silly goofy mood. I apologize. Hold on. I'll get it for you.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Put the elevator music. Oh my god, I'm out even laughing at that, I'm laughing at your laughing at that. I'm stopping. I don't know why, my brain is a fucking weird place, okay? Your brain is like a midnight carnival. It's just, I like that. It's cookie. It's cookie. It's cookie.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Wow. Your brain is a midnight carnival. If I was still on dating ups, I would write that. My brain is a midnight carnival. Oh my God. Sometimes I think about people in real life that listen to this that I know and I'm like, oh God. in real life that listen to this that I know and I'm like, oh God. All right, all right, all right, all right. All right.
Starting point is 00:08:29 All of America is going, let's rock. That's great. All of America. Well, transportation is easier. The technology becomes available and it's just like, what? Dun dun dun dun dun dun. Please, please leave at least some of that. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Oh, shit. So, as Ash was saying, all of America said, let's ride. But according to Virginia McConnell, whose book you should definitely pick up, we are linking in the show notes, this quote gave teenagers and young adults access to places they might not have had earlier, particularly those living in cities like New York. For instance, this whole expansion of urban infrastructure like bridges, tunnels, public transportation, that all meant that people living in places like Brooklyn and Coney Island could now easily access the business and entertainment districts that were in
Starting point is 00:09:31 what was once a faraway land of Manhattan until they were like, let's ride, let's ride. And this opened up new opportunities for employment, but also for cultural engagement. So everybody's just being, their worlds are opening up basically. For teenagers and young adults, particularly the wealthier without financial responsibilities or really familial obligations, this expansion of transportation allowed them to escape what was usually the watchful eye of their parents and gave them easy access to all the fun stuff, the dance halls, the speakeasies, the restaurants, all the other social spaces. It's like riding in cars with boys with Drew Barrymore.
Starting point is 00:10:10 It's exactly like that. And this meant that maybe for the first time they could actually shed the societal expectations of responsibility and respectability that usually kids and those families had. And they were now free to be themselves without any of the adult supervision and judgment. Although the idea of teenagers as we understand it today wouldn't really emerge for many decades. That's probably better. That's probably good. Probably this early 20th century youth culture. Youth culture. I like that you said that. It was still a big social shift from the previous generations because that's the thing. It was still a big social shift from the previous generations because that's the thing, each generation of teen
Starting point is 00:10:47 gets wilder and wilder, gets more confusing for the previous generation. And like, it just happens. Boomers look at Gen Z like, what the fuck? They thought millennials they hated. Oh, honey. Man, oh, honey. Oh, honey.
Starting point is 00:11:01 But this social shift from previous generations was really unlike anything Americans had seen to that point. For young people in New York, many of them from conservative immigrant families, the freedom of movement allowed them to shed the restrictive culture experienced in the home and experiment with sometimes new, often rebellious identities. Now, among those young people in New York, basically seeking to establish their own identity, their own rebellion outside of the home was Florence Burns. I knew it. She was the daughter of strict German immigrant parents,
Starting point is 00:11:36 born April 9th, 1882, in New York to Frederick and Henrietta Burns. Florence had a lot of advantages, a lot, and she had a sense of stability that her peers could probably only dream of. Frederick Burns was a very successful Manhattan insurance broker. He was like kind of locally famous as a popular announcer for the various events held by the Amateur Athletic Union as well. Oh, wow. Florence's mother, Henrietta, was also well respected.
Starting point is 00:12:08 She was the daughter of Wilhelm Friedrich von der Bosch, one of the lead, you know that guy. Of course. One of the lead engineers in the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge. Oh, fuck. You know of it. I think I've heard of her. Now, given her parents' social status and respective pedigrees, it was baffling to friends and family that Florence seemed to be heard of her. Now, given her parents' social status and respective pedigrees,
Starting point is 00:12:25 it was baffling to friends and family that Florence seemed to be out of control from an early age. They said, you're a rich girl, and you're gone too far. She was by most accounts pretty lazy. She's fucking rich. So she consistently did poorly in school,
Starting point is 00:12:43 which is different because usually it was like they had like you're from a prominent family to be held to right and quote was more interested in boys than in her studies word Despite her beauty however her vapid personality and general lack of curiosity Did kind of little to win her over many friends or male suitors. Oh, shit. Like she was beautiful, she was, you know, but she just didn't have a lot of depth. Vapid. I love the word vapid to describe somebody. And she seems like she was the definition of that at that time. Like it just, she didn't really have a lot of ambition.
Starting point is 00:13:17 She didn't really have a lot of substance happening. She didn't have hutzpah. Yeah. And as most people knew her, they thought she was like pretty boring. That's not a lot going on. You got a lot of money. That's about it. Also, Florence's behavior was occasionally extreme
Starting point is 00:13:34 or inappropriate, especially when she didn't get her way. Oh. For instance, when her first serious boyfriend, Harry, broke up with her after the initial romance in the beginning war off Florence exhibit a behavior that would today most likely be considered stalking. Oh, goodie. And there were even rumors that she threatened to kill him unless he married her.
Starting point is 00:13:56 So she went, she went too far. Usually I mean, at least in my experience, that doesn't work. I was joking. That doesn't work. I was joking about the my experience. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think. That doesn't work. Also, I was joking about the my experience. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think you've ever done that, but no. But like in experiences that I've heard of, I don't think that works.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Yeah, I don't see ultimatums like that really working out. Marry me or I will tell you. Especially in like something like, like, Lerv. Yeah. I wonder if you Billy Woodward at her and was like, I'll think about it. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. So I've always found it most difficult to actually begin a fitness journey. And then if I happen to get sick or something once I've started and I have to take some time off from that routine,
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Starting point is 00:16:59 when it came to understanding Florence. They'd given her literally every opportunity in the world, everyone. She had anything at her fingertips, yet she seemed determined to defy them at every turn. Oh no. In fact, as far as Florence was concerned, her parents were more like jailers than parents. They were outdated disciplinarians
Starting point is 00:17:20 who had no idea what it was like to be young. They just didn't get it, mom's dad. It's not a face! And in reaction to what she perceived as parents that were too rigid and overly restrictive, Florence acted out a lot. Getting kicked out of school, getting kicked out of local businesses for smoking.
Starting point is 00:17:37 At the time it was illegal for women to smoke in public. Fake. And she was like, nobody should smoke that. She was bad for you but yeah stupid law but running away she would hang out with a bad crowd she was just not she was doing all kinds of things it was the classic this sounds like the beginning remember those old that old show on any like beyond scared straight yeah doesn't it sound like the game it honestly is like that's true now in response to all this Fred the
Starting point is 00:18:03 dad disciplined his daughter in ways that would no longer be considered acceptable. Right, right. This included physical abuse. Oh no. Confining her to her bedroom. And on more than one occasion, he would just enroll her in a boarding school outside of the city,
Starting point is 00:18:17 including one in Montreal. Oh, goodie. Though she always ran away and made her way back to Brooklyn on her own. Now by the time she was 17 years old, Florence had dropped out of school. She hadn't gone further than eighth grade at this point and seemed just completely directionless. When she was finally, when she finally found a group of friends, she felt super comfortable finally and she felt like she was accepted by these people and they didn't want anything
Starting point is 00:18:42 more of her than who she was. And this group was called the Bedford Avenue gang Oh, no, so she joined a gang. So I'll get I'll give you a little more interest insight into this Gang, okay, so given her lack of interest in things like school or creative pursuits. It shouldn't come Too much of a surprise that this is the kind of group that she fell in with it was in 1901 and this This is this gang was mainly I say gang like quote-unquote. That's what they were called. Yeah This gang was comprised of what her parents would almost certainly deem bad influences. Yeah, I would think so the Bedford Avenue gang as they called themselves Was named for the Bedford Avenue gang, as they called themselves, was named for the Bedford Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn, where many of its members lived.
Starting point is 00:19:29 And it was comprised of boys and young men mostly, from mostly well-off, if not affluent families. Interesting. Now, according to McConnell, the gang's, quote, main goal was to get money from unsuspecting citizens, primarily shopkeepers. But like you don't need it. So they, yeah, they're just assholes. Like what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:19:49 They're assholes who are like, we're bored, our parents are mean, because like we can't just like lazily roll around all the time and just get money. So we're just gonna steal it from people who work. Yeah, let's steal money that we could already have. Yeah. That's good. Of course, this was not like we said,
Starting point is 00:20:04 like Ash just pointed out, it wasn't for lack of having their own money to spend. Yeah. That's good. Of course, this was not like we said, like Ash just pointed out. It wasn't for lack of having their own money to spend. Right. Because hello, or given to them by their parents. But instead, the shoplifting, petty robbery, and pickpocketing were committed just for the thrill of it. They were bored rich kids. Wild.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Their secondary interest, however, was women. And for this group of wealthy, well-dressed bad boys, I gotta look them up, which you know, they were like the bootleggest of bad boys, you know what I mean? Cause it's like these kids are like coming from boarding schools and like, you know, they have all the everything in the world that they could ever want.
Starting point is 00:20:43 And they're like, but they're like rebelling against mommy and daddy It's like that one kid that we always knew who that had a rich dad and school and they were like they thought they were rich They are dad was rich. They're the kids that say my dad's a lawyer That's these kids Dad's a lawyer. So it's fine if your dad is a lawyer like cool. That's awesome. But if you're flaunting it It's fine if your dad is a lawyer, like cool. That's awesome. But if you're flaunting it around like eighth grade,
Starting point is 00:21:06 if you're walking into eighth grade, like my dad is a lawyer. If you are any human being and you're retort to something, somebody being mean to you is my dad's a lawyer. Walk away. Walk the other way. The toxic person. Walk the other way. Sorry, what is this gang's name? There's been so much information. The Bedford Avenue Gang.
Starting point is 00:21:24 The Bedford Avenue Gang. The Bedford Avenue Gang. Here's the thing though. This is a bunch of, you know, rich boys who are rebelling. They get everything they want and they're probably well-coffed, you know, like they're put together. And so they had no shortage of girls and young women who followed them around like groupies of course Of course because it's like the it's like bad boy light, you know, yeah So if you're not ready for like the full the full thing you get the diet bad boy and you can be like well Everything will be fine cuz he'll pay the bail. Yeah, I can't even find pictures of them. It's just like, do you want to see these other gangs that are different?
Starting point is 00:22:08 You want to see these ones, they're different. But the thing is, McConnell notes, the Bedford Avenue gang of boys was dedicated to seducing the groupie girls who followed them and it gets worse and darker because this is all like very fluffy and like they're just little shitty rich boys. Like you're like, you'll get yours. You know what I mean? Like you're stealing from people who work, but it gets worse.
Starting point is 00:22:28 It got darker because they were all about these groupie girls and they would keep them around. They were like, it was like an actual like mafia style, like the gals hanging around. Sure, sure. But if they weren't able to seduce them, they would turn to sexual assault. They would just, like they were rapists as well.
Starting point is 00:22:47 So it turns from this like silly, so like that's why this gang is like so gross in so many ways because it's a bunch of shitheads who have everything in the world at their fingertips are doing all of this just for the thrill of it, and also taking advantage of women who, these young women, who probably don't know any better. It's just like the whole thing is so nasty.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Layers and layers of it. They're just gross, yeah. So despite the petty, shallow, and criminal interests of this gang, they provided, like we were just talking about, a pretty attractive lifestyle and kind of social outlet that appealed to rebellious young people like Florence were looking for just that. They were easily recognizable
Starting point is 00:23:34 because they wore flamboyant outfits, which included diamond jewelry, the girls would wear corsets, brightly colored vests, the boys would wear the vests and the spiked tailed overcoats, like, very over the top. And they also carried heavy canes and baseball bats with them. While definitely part of the overall outfit would also double as a weapon if they wanted to be violent. What a wily time to be alive. The Bedford Avenue gang would be comparable to
Starting point is 00:24:03 something, and this is actually, this is Dave brought this up, and it's such a perfect comparison. I had like brilliant comparison by Dave. They would be comparable to something like the fictional droogs in Anthony Burgess's 1962 novel, A Clockwork Orange. They're very much like that. Like it calls into, like you can think of that gang when you like you should read it, it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:24:25 I will. But they're also, and these two are also similar to what we would modernly probably think of, young middle-class white men who engage in rioting and looting after certain sporting events. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that kind of thing where it has no purpose whatsoever just for the hell of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Now, their behavior and engagement in violence and distractions, it's not a matter of survival or necessity or even purpose. Right. You know what I mean? Like there's nothing to back it up at all. It's board-rich kids. It's just a thrilling outburst of bad or criminal behavior
Starting point is 00:24:58 because they know they're not gonna be punished for it because of where they sit in the class system. Because they're dads a lawyer. Because my dad's a lawyer. I'll sue you. That's why. Now, when it came to the Bedford Avenue Gang, there wasn't exactly a hierarchy or organizational
Starting point is 00:25:14 structure per se. But there was a kind of informal leader. I feel like that always happens. And this informal leader was Theodore or Ted Burris and his best friend, Walter Brooks. Now, Burris was the son, the only son, of a millionaire stockbroker. And after graduating from high school in 1898, using his generous allowance given to him by his mother to fund his flashy lifestyle and petty criminal escapades, like the others
Starting point is 00:25:43 in the gang, he was known to lash out violently anytime he felt the urge, targeting anyone from a random pedestrian on the street to the police. But Ted's criminal activities weren't confined only to violence. Bures was a well-known thief in cheat. He stole everything from money, cars, jewelry, and even one stolly prized French bulldog worth $1,000. He does not deserve that fucking dog. He's still a dog. That's, I'm like, what did you do with the dog?
Starting point is 00:26:12 I want to hell go pataki him right to the face. Me too, that's exactly what I want to do. Now, although he came from a family far less wealthy than that of Ted Burris, Walter Brooks did fit in with the gang nonetheless. Walter was born in Brooklyn in the summer of 1881 and grew up in a very stable household, where his father was a typesetter with one of the New York newspapers. As a child, Walter was smart, he was attractive, very popular athlete, very good student,
Starting point is 00:26:39 but he was known as, quote, something of a wild young man, rather fast, addicted to fine clothes, alcohol, and pretty women. Now following his graduation from high school, Walter chose not to pursue a college education, which usually at this time, young men of his social standing would definitely pursue college education. So this was different. But instead, he went into business with two friends as commission merchants. And though Walter shared many interests with Ted Burris, the informal leader there, he
Starting point is 00:27:10 was less interested in acts of violence and destruction, and he was more inclined to move towards schemes and scams. He liked that part of it. He was a con man. He wanted to earn money, and he wanted attention, and he wanted adoration from young women. That's what he was looking for. He wasn't looking to beat the shit out of it. He's a con man. He wanted to earn money and he wanted attention and he wanted adoration from young women. That's what he was looking for. He wasn't looking to beat the shit out of someone, he just wanted girls to follow over them for him. So he thought scams and scheming were going to do it for him. There's other ways to go about that.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Absolutely, many. Walter was incredibly popular with women. Really? But much to their dismay, he wasn't really into commitment. He was a one girl kind of guy. In fact, the year before his death, Walter was engaged to a young woman named Lottie Eaton. I love the name Lottie. I do too. It makes me think of the princess and the frog,
Starting point is 00:27:55 which we watched recently, because my youngest wanted to watch it for the first time. And I think her name is Charlotte. And it's the best friend, but they call her Lottie. I like Lottie just as a name. Lottie is so cute. So cute. Guys, I love Princess and the Frog.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Oh, such a fucking bop. It is. No, but Walter was engaged to a young woman named Lottie Eaton. But just a few months later, Lottie called off the engagement because she cited Walter's quote, moral lapses as a reason. Also can we just take a second for the name Lottie Eaton? That's the richest girl in the fucking world. Like you, none of us should be, we can't be in the room with Lottie Eaton.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Lottie Eaton? Like I don't- Eat your fucking heart out. I don't belong in the same room as Lottie Eaton. No. Like who do I think I am? I don't hold a, what do they say? I don't hold a-
Starting point is 00:28:39 A candle? A candle to Lottie Eaton. Yeah, who holds a candle to Lottie Eaton? I don't know. Not me. That's crazy. Not I. Now our girl, Laughty, she wasn't specific about what those moral lapses were, but we can kind of think with the thing between our ears.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Yeah. He's a philanderer. He's thinking of fidelities and other troubles, probably. He's a fuckboy. Yeah, it's not good. So there was also a lot of rumors about him being part of many secretive pregnancies. Oh, God. And, you know, like secret abortions, all kinds of things going on.
Starting point is 00:29:14 He was very much being irresponsible with his, with his affections. Oh, goody. Spreading it too much. Now, and again, you're engaged. Don't be engaged. Right. Exactly. Do whatever you want if you're not engaged. Don't be engaged. If ever there was a woman that was perfect for Walter Brooks, it was Florence Burns.
Starting point is 00:29:32 Was it? Both were young, they were impetuous, they were shallow, they were reckless when it came to the emotions and wants of others. And according to Virginia McConnell, even the gang's leader, Ted Burris, quote, made a conscious decision to stay away from Florence Burns because he knew she would cause him trouble. That's Ted Burris who's like, hitting people on the street.
Starting point is 00:29:56 He's like the most reckless and he's like, he's like, auto fuck with you. Yeah, like that's a lot. So while Ted and the other gang members may have been smart enough to steer clear of Florence, Walter saw something of an irresistible kindred spirit in her and his desire would ultimately lead to deadly consequences.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Yeah, I felt that way. So in 1900, around the time Florence started hanging around the Bedford Avenue gang, the base of operations for the group was a Coney Island dance hall. Which I gotta say, this does have the vibes are right, the substance is off. Yeah, the vibes are right in the setting. Like thinking of like a Coney Island dance hall gang, like that's fun. And then you get
Starting point is 00:30:40 into the substance of it and you say no, no. No. No, no. Coney Island Queen. But this Coney Island dance hall was called Bader's Roadhouse. I love that name. It was. I think. Do better.
Starting point is 00:30:52 That took away the vibe. Like, oh, yeah. A dance hall in Coney Island. What Bader's? What? Bader's dance. No, Bader's Roadhouse. Bader's Roadhouse.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Like in Coney Island, are you sure? Are you sure? I'm sorry. Oh, it was only a half hour commute from their homes. So that's good. And it honestly may as well have been in another country when it came to the freedom it offered the young clientele. I mean, they were totally on their own there. It was a wild, very anonymous place away from judgmental eyes and expectations of anyone, including their
Starting point is 00:31:26 parents. The members of the Bedford Avenue gang there would smoke, they would drink, they shed the Victorian era protocols, because remember, we're in a specific era here, that could, and those protocols would have kept young men and women separate at all times. Wow. That's crazy to think about. And it would require very elaborate courtship rituals before they could even think of getting to the more intimate parts of a romantic relationship. Where they would even look at each other. But it was at Bader's Roadhouse.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Bader's Roadhouse. That Walter and Florence met for the first time and Walter immediately found Terry Irresistible. Oh, God. The two became romantically involved very soon after and things became physically intimate very quickly. All I'm Victorian are protocols here. None of that. All I'm picturing in my head is the guy on TikTok that runs around with the red flag. Yeah, that's literally him, right? He should run out and just be like, no, it's the both of you, to be honest. Like, no. So unlike most of the other girls in the neighborhood
Starting point is 00:32:26 who either appreciated Walter from afar or were put off by his reputation as a member of this gang, Florence liked that diet bad boy image and his rebellious attitude. She was like, oh my goodness, this is exactly what I've been looking for my whole life. And before long, Florence was claiming that she had fallen in love with Walter
Starting point is 00:32:46 and she loved him quote, even more than my mother and father. Uh-oh. And he generally returned these bold declarations of love. Damn. Florence had been in love before Walter or at least something that resembled it. I remember, she said she was gonna kill the gang.
Starting point is 00:33:00 I'm gonna kill you. A year before they met, she had been in a relationship with at least three members of the Bedford Avenue gang before Walter. We got a groupie. All of them burned very hot, very bright, you know, you know how these go. I love that she was able to like stick around after that. Yeah, she just, they were like, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Didn't last very long, mostly due to their inability or, you know, disinterest in any kind of commitment. They were all just living. And so it was with Florence and Walter, who met and quickly fell in love in August 1901, they were already having relationship troubles by October. So they're kind of following right in the, right in the footsteps of those previous relationships. Exactly. The same kind of thing. There were rumors going around the group that Walter had been chasing after another young woman who hung out on the fringes of the gang. Oh, huns. And when Florence found out, she made her displeasure known, saying if it were true, Walter would
Starting point is 00:33:52 quote, suffer for it. She scares me. Yeah, she's got a lot. She scares me a lot. Yeah, that's not good. Never one to worry much about what others thought, though. Florence made no attempts to keep her relationship with Walter a secret. And the two were anything but discreet
Starting point is 00:34:09 when it came to physical displays of affection. Oh, I hate that. Hate that so much. It's so not for me. That's usually, to me, that's a red flag right there. Yeah, you're making up for something. When word of the relationship made its way to Fred and Henry and the Burns, you know, mom and dad.
Starting point is 00:34:23 Mom and dad. Florence's parents were outraged. It made its way to Fred and Henrietta Burns, you know, mom and dad. Mom and dad. Who she does not love. Horns' parents were outraged. Not only was their daughter being very inappropriate, sexually active in a time when this was just not okay. They said, our daughter is a hollet. She's a hussy. But also she was once again, according to them, what they're thinking, a source of embarrassment.
Starting point is 00:34:43 And she was going to be a source of potentially scandalous rumors about that family. In response, Fred and Henrietta took yet another hard line with their daughter, making it clear in no uncertain terms that they disapproved of this relationship and they kicked her out of the house. Oh, shit. They told her she couldn't return unless she was married to Walter.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Oh, man. Yeah. So now she's got a new goal. Yeah. So Fred and Henrietta's reaction likely seems pretty harsh, but the Burns has had already endured a lot of embarrassment from their point of view. Yeah, everybody's got a line.
Starting point is 00:35:17 As a result of Florence's behavior, and they didn't think they could stand for another. And also, as Virginia McConnell points out, quote, possibly there was a pregnancy involved, as it seems to have been a drastic action on their part. And they had not drawn such a hard line with Florence under similar circumstances before, so they think there must have been something else in here. I could see that, but I could also see it just being
Starting point is 00:35:41 like so many things leading up to this. Yeah, that they just, that this was just the final one. And remember, they had a different style of parenting. Yeah. You know, so. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. So the possibility of a pregnancy would also explain why Florence began pressuring Walter
Starting point is 00:35:53 to marry her that fall. Something that everyone from the other gang members to his parents strongly discouraged. Oh wow. So his parents were like, no, no. And the other gang members were like, no, Walter. They were like, not Florence. Now, Walter might not have been interested in marrying Florence, but that didn't stop him from continuing his relationship with her.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Throughout the better part of November, Florence lived in a boarding house in Brooklyn, but that didn't stop her from being a near constant presence in the Brooks Households. She would take long lunches with Walter. She would lunch with his mother sometimes, even attended church services with them on Sundays. It's interesting that she really like became part of their lives and even still- And they were like, fuck that. That should tell you.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Yeah. But by the end of November, she had moved in with the Brooks family after coming down with some vague illness that many speculated could have been the unexpected consequences of a self-induced miscarriage or abortion. That's really sad. Rather than insist Florence return home to her parents' care, Walter's father, Thomas Brooks, simply paid for Florence's medical care. He was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:36:59 I'm pretty accustomed to taking care of my Walter's stuff that goes on. So I'm just going to take care of my, you know, Walters stuff that goes on. Yeah. So I'm just gonna take care of whatever you need as well. I mean, which is like, all right. And it seems likely that Florence was actually pretty ill for a short time, but the fact remains that she definitely used the opportunity to force her way into the Brooks home and stake a further claim on Walter.
Starting point is 00:37:23 By early December, when she had finally recovered from whatever was ailing her, because there's no actual medical records here, Florence had all but formally moved into the house and once again started pressuring Walter to marry her. Each conversation became more and more desperate at this point. And later, after Walter's death, Mrs. Brooks would recall the ways in which Florence would attempt to manipulate and control Walter. She would claim that she would shoot him with her father's pistol if he didn't agree to marry her. That's, again, not the way to go about that, Mama.
Starting point is 00:37:57 And this is his mother saying this later, being like, yeah, I witnessed that. Oh my God. Yeah. So I can see why they were like, I'd rather you not marry her. And this is even, this is such that. Oh my god. Yeah, so I can see why they were like, I'd rather you not marry her And this is even this is such a wild thing that happens. Oh god Very frustrated and very exhausted with Florence's childish behavior
Starting point is 00:38:13 Walter's mother eventually one time when she was like, I'm gonna shoot you with my father's pistol She just looked at her and said why don't you just shoot yourself with it? and it's like Why don't you just shoot yourself with it? And it's like, oh. Burn. And Florence responded because I love Walter too much. So I'm gonna kill him instead. And it's like, what the fuck, my girl?
Starting point is 00:38:33 And also like Mrs. Brooks. She's damn. She said, get out me house. She said, that's some mama bear energy right there. It's like damn. Boy mom. That's boy mom energy. That's boy mom energy. That's a boy mom for sure.
Starting point is 00:38:50 I was like, damn, that's just a mama. Jokey. But fuck. Mrs. Brooks, really, she had enough. Holy shit. So that'll tell you how at the end of their rope, everyone was with Florence, that they're just like, why don't you just take the pistol and shoot yourself? Like, when you're saying that, shit has gone awry.
Starting point is 00:39:07 That's bad. Because that's a rough thing to say. Yeah, you shouldn't say that to anybody ever. Yeah, don't say that to people. No. Mrs. Brooks, come on. Come on, girl. Get some decorum, you're a rich girl.
Starting point is 00:39:15 But also Florence don't be threatening to kill her son. Yeah, but bad on both ends. Lots of things happening. I don't want to be in that house. Get me out of here. I'll be outside. No. I gotta get outta here. Exactly me out of here. I've got to get out of here. Exactly. Relay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:26 No. I'll be your escape. Oh, good. Now, as the year came to a close, the arguments between Walter and Florence continued to escalate to the point that Thomas Brooks, Walter's father, hid his pistol, went to Fred Burns, Florence's father, and begged him to allow Florence to come home. He was like, get her the fuck out of me house. And he told him that she had become a major disruption in their households.
Starting point is 00:39:52 He was like, you gotta take your kid back. And her dad is like, yeah, she's a major disruption in our house too, that's why we got rid of her. Florence's father was like, no. Telling Brooks he wouldn't allow her back until the couple had married. And Thomas literally was like like that will never happen When he was like well then she's never coming back. He was like then she's never coming back and they were like we're out of standstill here
Starting point is 00:40:12 Now while the Brookses may not have been successful at convincing Florence's parents to take her back They were finally able to rid themselves of her constant presence when she moved to a new boarding house at the end of December and when she moved to a new boarding house at the end of December. And after only a few weeks at this boarding house, she did get her own parents to agree to let her back in. Oh, wow. So she was able to convince them. I'm actually very surprised by that news. It doesn't last.
Starting point is 00:40:34 I mean, how are you feeling it wouldn't? It turned out that Fred and Henrietta Burns had only agreed to let Florence move back in because she said she and Walter were getting married. Yeah, I had a feeling. I knew she was doing stunts and shows out there. Yeah, it definitely came to a surprise to Walter. Yeah, that he was getting married.
Starting point is 00:40:53 He agreed to know such things, so he didn't understand this. But regardless of all that, the lie had put Walter in a difficult position as well. He either had to agree to marry Florence or be responsible for her getting kicked out of her house again. Oh, man. Either way, he would be responsible for taking care of her. She is the wilyest bitch.
Starting point is 00:41:11 I gotta marry her and take care of her or she's gonna get kicked out of her house and I'm gonna have to take care of her because it's my fault. Right. So that's a catch 22 if I ever heard of her. For some reason, whatever reason it is. No. Just before the year ended, Walter agreed to marry Florence and the two went to the church of the Good Shepherd in Brooklyn No. The reason it is, just before the year ended, Walter agreed to marry Florence.
Starting point is 00:41:25 And the two went to the church of the Good Shepherd in Brooklyn where Florence insisted that Reverend Robert Rogers marry them immediately. Perhaps sensing something was amiss, Reverend Rogers said, No. And he said, there's no witnesses here. That's a no for me.
Starting point is 00:41:41 Right. So that was it. They didn't get married. Having once again failed to manipulate Walter to marry her, Florence returned home and told her parents the truth. And they promptly kicked her out of the house for a second time. That's kind of sad.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Because it's like, we tried to get married. And we couldn't. And we couldn't, now he doesn't want to marry me. Like, that's not your fault. Pack your bags. Like, I don't get that. Yeah, that's shitty. Once again, Walter feared Florence would worm her way back into his households, but fortunately a friend of his recommended a boarding house on West 144th Street, where she could stay
Starting point is 00:42:15 for $10 a week, which now would be a little over $300 in the present. Oh, wow. That's a lot of money. Now, after nearly a month at the new boarding house, Florence was allowed to move back into her parents parents house again Likely with the understanding that she and Walter were now engaged and would eventually be married Oh, man despite that promise however Florence found herself in the same position She had already been in twice either convince Walter to marry her or find herself out on the street again
Starting point is 00:42:39 More importantly at least in the long term There was a growing chance that if she continued to defy them that her parents would cut her off financially as well. They hadn't done that yet. Okay. So she was worried that was going to be the big hammer. Basically putting an end to her life of excess and luxury, which she was just not willing to do. Of course not.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Virginia McConnell points out that given Florence and her father's desperation for her to be married, quote, there must have been a baby on the way. So everybody keeps pointing out that there had to have been something here that's like much more over the top. I don't know about that. I'm not convinced.
Starting point is 00:43:17 I'm not convinced of that either. That's just what a lot of people thought. So I wanted to make sure I mentioned it. But I also am not as convinced. I think this is just respectability. I agree. An Victorian era of respectability. I can see why people would think that,
Starting point is 00:43:30 but I agree with you. Yeah, and I think what Virginia McConnell is pointing out and what many people thought too, so she is going off of like a lot of other things, is that if it was a pregnancy, it would become obvious to everyone shortly that she was pregnant and that would be another skin doll, another moral failing for that family.
Starting point is 00:43:49 If she was unwed and pregnant and living with them. Right, and presumably she had already maybe performed an abortion so she didn't wanna go through that a second time. So they didn't wanna go through that again. But despite Florence's obvious desperation and Walter continuing to be attracted to her, Walter remained uninterested in getting married.
Starting point is 00:44:08 He didn't want to tie himself to someone for the rest of his life. He was non-committal. He was part of this gang. At this point, it's like, you're really not non-committal because she lives with you half the time. She's always showing up at your doorstep. You might as well just fucking marry her and call it a day. I don't think he's having many affairs, I'm sure they're.
Starting point is 00:44:26 There's no. Yeah, and it's like, you're gonna continue to do that anyway. Yeah, it's like, if that's what you wanna live, that's fine. Right. And also she was just relentlessly demanding. So I think he was like, I'm attracted to you,
Starting point is 00:44:36 but this is a lot. You know, like, I don't wanna do this for the rest of my life. I don't want this to be the only thing for the rest of my life. So by February 1902, it seemed Walter had avoided yet another one of Florence's meltdowns and crises. Dan, this is like two years of this shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:53 His vague half promises to Fred Burns and his willingness to at least go see a priest about marriage had kept Florence living in her parents' home rather than a boarding house or the Brooks House. So there's a lot of just like dishonesty here on everyone's part. Everyone's so false. Like this is all just such a facade, because it's like Fred is like demanding
Starting point is 00:45:17 that they get married, not caring whether they're in love or not. Walter is like, I like her. I'm attracted to her. Sometimes we have a nice time. Right. I don't want to marry her though. And then he, but he's just trying to keep everybody satiated
Starting point is 00:45:31 by being like, okay, I'll just fake it, I guess. I'll just talk to this priest about it. I guess. And I'm like, none of this is good. But, and this is not like, this is not, you know, talking about getting married to be like, this is how life is supposed to be. No. But as far as he was concerned, he had exceeded the expectations of his responsibility and he
Starting point is 00:45:49 was like, you know what, I've given it my all. I talked to a priest, we almost got married once. He was ready to end things with Florence finally without feeling guilt. He was, that was the whole thing. He didn't want to end it with her and have her end up on the street. Yeah. And it'd be his honorable. And then he was worried that he was going to have to take her in if that happens. So he was like, I'm gonna be in this endless cycle.
Starting point is 00:46:09 So he's like, now I feel like I've done my duty. I've tried. It's not working. And he's so, in fact, by the time the attempted wedding had fallen through, Walter was actually already dating a new girl. He was just out of there. This girl was 17 year old Ruth Dunn.
Starting point is 00:46:24 And she, and he was looking for the easiest way to end things with Florence and kind of avoid her wrath as well because remember, yeah, she threatened to shoot him with Fred's pistol. How did he think he was going to avoid her wrath though? I don't know. I think dating another girl would be like the wrathiest of rats. That's going to inspire a lot of rats, I'm going to be honest. I think that would pack a punch. Speaking from someone who has dated,
Starting point is 00:46:47 someone who also started dating another girl while we were dating, it inspires a lot of wrath. I would think. A lot of wrath. I would certainly think so. So much wrath. All the wrath. The most wrath one could have.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I became wrath in that moment. So I mentioned. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah. I was just thinking of the America's Next Top Model Shoot where they did all the sense. I literally thought of that as we were saying that. I know. I love you. I always just think of the America's Next Top Model Shoot where they did all the sense. I literally thought of that as we were saying that. I know.
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Starting point is 00:50:34 Oh man, this is a wreck. So by the second week of February, Walter seemed to be taking the matter more seriously and had started talking with his friends in the Bedford Avenue gang about it, all of whom, quote, assured him it was a good move on his part. Now, given the gang's penchant for drama and hijinks, it's very likely that Florence had some idea of Walters and Tenten, their relationship. I'm sure one of the other gang members was like, he's going to break up with you, girl. Like, I'm sure one of them was like, he's already dating someone. I bet there was hotbots. I love that shit. And she almost certainly noticed his absence and distance in the recent weeks. Beginning Monday, February 10th, she began showing up at Walter's office every day demanding to see Walter, but he was typically out of the office at this time.
Starting point is 00:51:18 Girl, this is an appealing behavior now. Like, don't. It's the don't. Don't. And each time she asks Walter's office boy, 15-year-old Joseph Cribbins. behavior now. And don't. Don't. It's the don't. Don't. And each time she asks Walter's office boy, 15-year-old Joseph Cribbins, found a way to insinuate that Walter had received many female visitors at the office, likely intending to irritate her.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Okay. I was this poor boy. I was like, Joseph, you got to chill. You don't know who you're dealing with. Now, while this may seem trivial, like, you know, it's just like him being a little 15-year-old shit. Yeah. Walter had, in fact, never received any other woman
Starting point is 00:51:51 other than Florence in his office. Oh, wow. Like, that was the truth. But by the end of the week, Florence would come to believe that he was cheating on her with countless anonymous women, like that anonymous woman were showing up all over the place. No, he was only cheating with one woman. And whether he was, like like having other things outside,
Starting point is 00:52:07 you know, they weren't coming to his office, that could be said. Now on the morning of February 14th, Valentine's Day, Walter and his business partner, Harry Cohen, had a business meeting with a man in Patterson, New Jersey. And after that, they all had lunch in Newark. That's at this lunch, they met two young women at the lunch. Side eyes downward. Yep. And after chatting with the girls for a short time, they all went to a nearby hotel, they all had sex, and they all went their separate ways.
Starting point is 00:52:36 They just lived the flashiest lifestyle. They're just the flashiest. It's like the party scene in Gatsby. That's all I could think of. Now look at us just on the same wavelength. We're right onatsby. That's all I could think of. Now look at us just right on it. We're right on it. That's literally all I could think of. I was like, oh my God, that's it.
Starting point is 00:52:51 That's literally it. That's it. Meanwhile, Florence, while this is going on, had stopped by Walter's office yet again. Oh no, you're gonna suck on there, mama. She left a note saying she was leaving for Detroit that afternoon and had only stopped to say goodbye. Florence said she actually returned three more times that day hoping to catch Walter.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Girl, I thought you were going to Detroit. And she finally caught him on the last visit around 5.30pm. Walter seemed unsurprised to see Florence in his office, and they made plans to go out after he closed up the office for the day. And Walter was intending to give Florence a proper send off before she left for Detroit. I don't know if he was like, I guess we'll just fuck one more time. Like that seems like the vibe here.
Starting point is 00:53:33 It does kind of sound that way. According to McConnell, Walter's partner, Harry Cohen, quote, begged Walter not to go with Florence that night and to come out to dinner with him instead. Oh. But not wanting to do anything to upset Florence, just as he was about to, you know.
Starting point is 00:53:47 End things. End things. Walter dismissed Cohen's concerns and promised to meet him later that night instead. Even Cohen was like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know about this. He knew obviously what she was like, but it sounds like he also had some kind of like bad feeling. Yeah, he was like, I just don't feel good about this.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Now that evening, Walter and Florence checked into the Glen Island Hotel. So you can see why I think what I think. Yeah, of course. They checked in as John Williamson and wife of Brooklyn. Oh, just adding insult to injury. And they were shown to their room by a bellhop named George Washington. Shut the fuck up. George Washington icon.
Starting point is 00:54:24 And after setting down the couple's bag, Washington lit the pilot lights Shut the fuck up. It was George Washington. I con. And after setting down the couple's bag, Washington lit the pilot lights on the gas heater, then asked Florence whether they would need anything else, and she said, no, thank you. Okay. Later, around midnight, Washington noticed the smell of gas coming from Florence and Walter's room. Oh, God. And when he entered to search the area, he discovered Walter passed out on the bed, and
Starting point is 00:54:44 Florence nowhere to be found. A doctor was called, and they attempted to rouse Walter, who was alive, but only barely conscious at the time. Oh man. Now, this is wild. This doctor, I'm like, are you okay, sir? Despite the presence of blood on the pillowcase, it took Dr. John Sweeney much longer than it should have to notice that there was a giant wound on Walter's head. What? And even when he did finally notice it, he assumed it had been from a fall
Starting point is 00:55:14 and he was like, oh, it's nothing serious. And at this time, neither hospital staff or Dr. Sweeney were interested in quote, "'causing a fuss so they aired out the room "'and washed the area around Walter's head wound, then left the room and assumed he would sleep it off and be fine in the morning. What?
Starting point is 00:55:33 What? So they came in and they were like, wow, it's weird, there's gas in this room and he's unconscious and there's blood on the pillow and he's like not awake. And they were like, oh weird, let's air the room out. Silly that that happened. Open a window, not awake. And they were like, oh, weird, let's air the room out. Silly that that happened. Open a window, I guess.
Starting point is 00:55:47 And then they were just like boop, bop, and doop using some antiseptic, gonna wash your wound but not pick your head up. They literally just washed the area around the wound. What the fuck? Didn't actually look at it. And he was like, you know what you should do with head wounds, you should sleep them off.
Starting point is 00:56:04 That's what you should do with head wounds, you should sleep them off. That's what you should do. And also in a gas filled room. The gas filled room, the head wound of it all. Also the fact that the wife is, the quote unquote wife is missing. And this man is sitting in a gas filled room with a fucking wound in his head. And we don't think it's a little suspicious
Starting point is 00:56:19 that the wife is gone. No, no. Or the presumed wife. No. Doctor. This is fine, Dr. S they presumed wife? No. Doctor. No, this is fine. Dr. Sweeney, everybody. Babe.
Starting point is 00:56:27 The next morning, when hotel staff went back to check on the man with the head wound in the gas filled room with the missing wife. He was dead. They found Walter unresponsive on the bed, which by then had become saturated with blood from a hole in his head. The fact that it sounds like they probably could have
Starting point is 00:56:44 saved this kid's life. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's like really fucked up. Dr. Sweeney was called back to the room and in the light of day realized that what he had thought was a wound from a fall was actually a gunshot wound to his head. This man was shot in the head, was alive and just left to bleed out. Oh my god. They could have saved him. Absolutely. Or at least given a shot. Oh my God. They could have saved him.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Absolutely. Or at least given a shot. I shouldn't say they could have saved him. They could have at least given any kind of shot. Well, just the fact that he was still alive when they left him to bleed overnight. There was an actual opportunity to save him or try to. Wow.
Starting point is 00:57:20 And how awful. He just lay there with a bullet in his head, left there not able to move or call anyone, and just lay there. Wow. Now, Dr. Sweeney insisted someone call an ambulance, which like, oh, the doctor, everybody. But it still hadn't occurred to anyone
Starting point is 00:57:37 to call the actual fucking police because there was another person in this room with him and he has a bullet hole in his head. And no one's worried about it. Instead, after searching Walter's pockets and learning his real identity, someone from the hotel called his office and talked to Harry Cohen, his business partner. Oh, poor Harry. Who in turn called Walter's father in the two rush to the Glen Island in up to room 12.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Oh, this poor dad. Where Thomas Brooks found his son alive but in very bad conditions. So he's still alive. What? Unresponsive but alive. Wow. While the two men waited two hours for the ambulance to arrive, two hours.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Why did it, this is New York, correct? Cohen and Brooks searched the room, they picked up all of Walter's belongings as well as a hair comb that both men recognized as belonging to Florence Burns. Oh, we knew. When the ambulance had finally arrived and taken Walter to the hospital, Thomas Brooks made the following statement to police.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Quote, I've expected this for a long time. My boy has been in scrapes with girls before this, and I expected this would happen. A girl named Florence Burns made threats against my son. Oh, man. Now, the ambulance transported Walter to the hospital. He was rushed into emergency surgery and the 32 caliber slug was removed from his head.
Starting point is 00:58:50 But he never regained consciousness and was pronounced dead at 11.15 a.m. Wow. Now, like Thomas Brooks, Harry Cohen also told police, you should question Florence Burns. He was like, she was with Walter and was, you know, they were supposed, that's where they were supposed to be that night together, like this all adds up. And now she's missing.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And also Harry was like, they've had a very long, complicated and tumultuous relationship. When officers arrived at the Burns apartment in Flatbush, Florence didn't seem very surprised to see them. She told them that yes, she did know Walter Brooks and she had seen him the previous day, but she said, after I spoke to him at his office, we parted ways and I hadn't seen him since then. Liar. If the officers were suspicious by her initial reaction, they were double suspicious when after informing her that Walter had been shot, her response was, I wonder who could have
Starting point is 00:59:40 done it? Have they found the pistol? Girl. What? Girl. What? Girl. What? The officers took Florence into custody immediately and brought her to the church street station, escorting her directly into the office of Captain Halpin. Now, she had been informed that she was under arrest and was being charged with a felony, but the police neglected or refused to inform Florence what the charge was or that Walter was in fact dead. They didn't tell her that.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Oh wow. Instead, they asked her to see her haircombs. Aha. Which she handed over. Okay. But one of them, she appeared to be missing the back comb, which was precisely the comb that had been discovered in the Roe McLennaillen Hotel. Remember she said she saw him at the office and never saw him again.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Imagine that. When she was finally informed of the charge against her, Florence insisted she knew nothing about the shooting. She said, how could I shoot him? I've not seen him since six o'clock when I left his office. I came right home and arrived at 7.30 o'clock. My father and mother were at the theater. I saw no one and went to bed. I love, I saw no one. No one can confirm this. I saw me and I saw no one. I love that you had to make sure to be like, no one, absolutely not one person on planet earth
Starting point is 01:00:52 can confirm this alibi and that I went to sleep. Thank you and good night. Thank you and good night. Other than her insistence that she had nothing to do with the shooting, Florence was generally uncooperative in an effort to get more. What do you mean, I'm shocked. Excuse me. In an effort to get more... What do you mean? I'm shocked.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Excuse me? In an effort to get more information or to catch her in a lie, the interviewing detective told Florence that Walter had been robbed. And in response, Florence, with one hand balled into a fist, pounded the desk and said that the bellhop George Washington must have done it. Wow, that little bitch. She also used like racist language to describe Washington must have done it. Wow, that little bitch. She also used like racist language to describe him when she did it. So like, why did I know that? Why did I know that?
Starting point is 01:01:31 I felt that. As soon as you said she blamed it on the bellhop, I was like, oh, she's being racist. Yep. She said, obviously George Washington hadn't, you know, he did it. What a coot. But obviously George Washington hadn't taken the money, but he did. However, when they talked to him, remember Florence. And when he was brought into the station that day and asked whether she was the one woman who had checked into the hotel with Walter Brooks, he's emphatically confirmed that yes, that bitch was the woman who was in the room with Brooks. He's like, I remember her. She was a pain in the ass. Certain that she was responsible for the shooting and confident that they weren't gonna get much more out of her
Starting point is 01:02:07 being very uncooperative and a dick. Detectives escorted her out of the captain's office and took her to a cell in the Center Street station. It was at this point that the press got their first look at Florence Burns. And now she was being called an accused murderer. You know, she was getting like the femme fatale shit. Yep. And you know, this is the first time that she wasn't called an accused murderer. You know, she was getting like the femme fatale shit. Yep.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And you know, this is the first time that she wasn't really liking the attention. Oh, imagine that. It's strange, Lina. At one point she screamed to her father, father, father, help me. They're trying to take my picture. Honey, no one's gonna help you now.
Starting point is 01:02:38 You're done. Your front page news now, girl. This is not a good guy. Yeah. Now in the morning of February 16th, Lawrence appeared before a judge at the Center Street Court and she was wearing a dark veil to indicate that she was in mourning.
Starting point is 01:02:49 Of course. Speaking on Florence's behalf was her defense attorney, Foster Backus, a former Kings County district attorney who'd gone into private practice after leaving public office. Now, as a former DA, Backus was intimately familiar with the ins and outs of the system
Starting point is 01:03:05 and knew very well that his client wouldn't be in court that morning if the authorities didn't have a strong case against her. Because of this, he quickly developed a strategy where he would attempt to delay any sentencing or formal charges, giving him time to evaluate the evidence that was against Florence. In the days that followed, the evidence against Florence came out in multiple pretrial hearings, and it was likely kind of encouraging to back us. Aside from her hair comb discovered in the room in George Washington's identification of Florence as the woman with Walter the night he checked in, the case against Florence was pretty con- like circumstantial.
Starting point is 01:03:42 Mmm. It's true. The bullet taken from Walter's head was a match for the caliber of pistol owned by Fred Burns. But neither the gun used in the shooting or the gun owned by Burns could be found. Okay. So that was a problem. So there was nothing for the slug to be compared to.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Right. Um, and I also love that like the fact that that gun was suddenly missing isn't considered- Sus. Pretty good proof here. Like like where did it go exactly now at the same time George Washington's Identification had also kind of become a problem for the district attorney D. William Jerome Although Washington was and always would be adamant that Florence was the woman who checked into the hotel with Walter Brooks He looked her in the face multiple times It was pointed out that Florence had been the only woman
Starting point is 01:04:26 seen in the hotel that day. And more importantly, Washington had made the identification after being brought to the police station where he saw Florence being questioned. Oh, okay. You can't do that. Yeah, that's wrong. That's tainted.
Starting point is 01:04:40 It gave the impression that she was a suspect, if not guilty. The problem with this type of identification is that by asking him to identify Florence under those circumstances, he could have naturally assumed her to be guilty and that contained the identification. It's like in the little things. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:04:55 That movie. Precisely. Now, it started out as a strong case against Florence, was kind of unraveling a little bit. Although Jerome could have gone to a grand jury to get an indictment, he was aware that his already shaky case could be completely undone by the unwritten law causing him to lose the case.
Starting point is 01:05:13 According to Virginia McConnell, the unwritten law emerged in the American South in the mid-19th century and it, quote, started out as a permission for a man to kill a man who had dishonored, raped, seduced, or even ruined the reputation of a woman they were related to or intimately connected with. Okay. Let me say that one more time so you guys can get that because this is an unwritten
Starting point is 01:05:36 law. It was permission for a man to kill another man who had dishonored, raped, seduced, or even ruined the reputation of a woman they were related to or intimately connected with. That's wild. And basically what they're trying to say is that they're going to pin this on Fred Burns. That they could actually- And that he could get away with it because of that law? That they could actually like say that her reputation was dishonored in some way so that,
Starting point is 01:06:04 exactly, like that this killing was dishonored in some way, so that exactly, like, that this killing was done in her name. What? Now, in time, it was extended to women accused of murder as well, and was considered a viable defense. So now it can be like, you dishonored me. So I killed you. And it was as long as they had committed the crime to protect their decency.
Starting point is 01:06:27 Isn't this wild? Mama, Fjord doesn't have any decency. No. Although it wasn't really a law in the formal legal sense. The unwritten law was more like a temporary insanity claim. Okay. And could reasonably be used to achieve an acquittal on the grounds of self-defense. Cuckoo, nuts, bananas.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Isn't it bananas? Knowing that his case was already somewhat precarious at this time, Jerome agreed to Bacchus' request for a special sessions hearing where a judge would determine whether the evidence was strong enough. If at any point he changed his mind or wanted to go to a grand jury, Bacchus assured Jerome the DA could go to the grand jury and get an indictment. In reality, this was just an attempt for Bacchus to stall Jerome's investigation and give himself time to put critical evidence or witnesses, like Fred and Henrietta Burns, out of the prosecution's reach.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Now agreeing to the special sessions hearing, the first for a woman in New York, by the way. Wow. Jerome effectively put the responsibility for a woman in New York, by the way. Wow. Jerome effectively put the responsibility for determining Florence's guilt in the hands of the newly appointed judge Julius Mayer. Mayer's job was to interview witnesses and evaluate the evidence to determine whether she was responsible for Walter's death, which meant he had to determine the following. One means.
Starting point is 01:07:42 So we're going to need means, motive, and opportunity. Yup. Means. Walter Brooks was shot in need means, motive and opportunity. Yep. Means, Walter Brooks was shot in the head with a.32 caliber pistol. So, Mayer needed to confirm that not only did Florence Burns have access to a.32 caliber pistol, but also that she knew how to use one. Ah. Motive. Although motive cannot always be arrived at conclusively. In order to determine guilt, Mayer needed to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Florence had a reason to kill the man she frequently, and passionately, and outwardly exclaimed to be in love with. An opportunity. Walter was shot in the middle
Starting point is 01:08:16 of the night in a room at the Glen Island Hotel. Under those circumstances, Mayor needed to be confident that either Florence or someone acting on Florence's behalf had been in the hotel room with Walter at the time of the shooting. Okay. Now given what needed to be established, Judge Mayor had a difficult task ahead of time. Yeah. The gun used to kill Walter was never recovered, so there was no way to connect it back to Florence. Still, it was a well-established fact that Fredder burns owned handgun of that same caliber. So it was possible that Florence could have used that gun. Yeah. And then she threw it off Grandpa's bridge.
Starting point is 01:08:49 As far as the ability to use it, the grandpa's bridge. As far as the ability to use it, the coroner had examined the wound on Walter's head and found that while there was burn marks around the wound, there was no powder marks indicating that the barrel had been placed against his head when the gun was fired. That's horrific. Given that, the prosecution could easily and convincingly argue that one
Starting point is 01:09:10 needn't any firearms training to have committed this murder because it was right up against it. Right, like it's not like she's ahead of game. You don't need to aim or anything. Right. The biggest issue was to be the idea, and to me that would also mean that you were intimately near this man. Yes. If you, maybe he was asleep.
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Starting point is 01:10:29 Now, the biggest issue was going to be the identification placing Florence at the hotel with Walter. After all, if she couldn't be placed at the scene of the crime, how are you going to convince a jury that she was the shooter? In his testimony, George Washington not only described Florence perfectly for the crime, how are you going to convince a jury that she was the shooter? In his testimony, George Washington not only described Florence perfectly for the judge, he also described the exact outfit she had been wearing when Harry Cohen saw her at the office that morning. Come on. Throughout the interviewing process, Washington's story remained consistent, and he appeared to take the process very seriously. But as a black man, he was already suspect
Starting point is 01:11:05 in the eyes of many and considered at that time by these people to be lower intelligence than his white peers. That's the most fucked up thing. Backus used this to his advantage, taking every opportunity to remind the judge and the press of Washington's race, referring to him as different terms,
Starting point is 01:11:23 very loaded and sometimes aggressively racist terms. So disgusting. After hearing Washington's testimony and the arguments against it, Judge Mayer decided the identification and the circumstances under which it was obtained were too questionable and he was unwilling to consider it. It's also like, why put this poor man through this?
Starting point is 01:11:42 If you're just gonna sit there and pick him apart and exactly humiliate him? George Washington looked this woman in the face several times. He asked her if she needed anything else. She turned and looked right at him and said no. He knew who this, he described her outfit exactly. And Harry Cohen said, yes, that is the outfit I saw her in,
Starting point is 01:12:02 that day at the office. So he didn't just pull that out of thin air. Yeah, he wouldn't know that. There were others who had seen Florence with Walter on the evening they checked into the hotel, including John Earl, the other Glen Island employee on duty that evening. Unfortunately, Earl was frequently maligned in the press and described as not as astute as the bellboy. So if the bellboy so astute, then why are we publicly humiliating him?
Starting point is 01:12:25 No, also I'm paraphrasing that sentence because I'm avoiding saying racist terms out loud, by the way. They just went all in in the press. So his testimony and identification were equally unhelpful in the prosecution's case. They just threw them all out. These two men saw this, like could identify her, and they were like, no, we're racist, so it's no. Wow. Now finally, as the question of motive, there was a great deal of hearsay and circumstantial testimony
Starting point is 01:12:50 that supported the widely held belief that Walter and Florence had a difficult relationship and that Florence was generally a difficult person. Walter's mother, Mary, testified at length about her interactions. Remember Mrs. Brooks, why don't you accept this on yourself? She testified at length about her interactions. Remember, Mrs. Brooks, why don't you accept this on yourself? She testified at length about her interactions with Florence during the time she lived with them, telling Mayor that not only did Florence regularly threaten to kill Walter, but she said,
Starting point is 01:13:15 quote, it seemed to happen every time they met, every single day. But when pressed for clarification, Mrs. Brooks acknowledged that she had been exaggerating when she said the threats were a daily occurrence and that it wasn't as often as that. I mean, just the fact that she said it at all. One is too many. Yeah, exactly. The fact that she felt confident enough to say that in front of his parents is fucked
Starting point is 01:13:36 up. Yeah. And Mary also had to acknowledge that despite the frequency with what, which Florence had threatened her son, she had never done it in front of anyone else. So there was no one else who could corroborate it. The final piece of testimony on which Jerome's case rested was the hair comb discovered in the room.
Starting point is 01:13:53 Although the comb matched those worn by Florence on the day of her arrest and would have accounted for the missing back comb, combs of that type were ubiquitous at the time of the murder. And there was no way to prove that the comb in the room belonged to Florence, even though she was missing that exact comb. Did anybody also ever ask her like, where'd you go in the middle of the night? Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Or she just trying to say like, I was never there. I think she was just like, I wasn't there. Well, that's what she's saying. She's like, I met with him at his office. I left him at six. I was home by 730. No one saw me, but I went right to sleep. And then the next morning she was home.
Starting point is 01:14:30 So as far as anyone was concerned, she was asleep. Wow. They had to tie this comb directly to her and other than that, it wasn't really value because they couldn't use like, it's not like they were using hair and shit at this point. So it's like- And even still that's like tough.
Starting point is 01:14:44 That comb, even though she was missing that exact comb that she was wearing in her hair when they interviewed her, they still couldn't use it. After considering the evidence and testimony, Judge Mayer came to the following conclusions. One, threats Florence had at Herald regarding shooting Walter were irrelevant because they had happened too long before the murder. And were set under a specific context to a specific person and were never heard by anyone else.
Starting point is 01:15:09 She said that she was going to shoot him. He ended up shot dead. Yeah. She'd also threatened to kill another boyfriend of hers and other people had heard that. Right. So it's like pattern. Wow. Number two, the discovery and identification of the hair comb found in the room at the Grand Island was irrelevant because it matched the combs of thousands of women in New York. I guess I have to like accept that one, but it's so frustrating. But she was missing that one comb in my hair. It's like, come on. I know it's circumstantial.
Starting point is 01:15:37 I know that. I believe that it was her obviously, but it's just like, ugh, it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. Number three, George Washington's identification of Florence was valueless because the lineup and identification process was so deeply flawed that it couldn't be trusted. That really sucks that they fucked up on that.
Starting point is 01:15:53 And number four, the statements made by Florence to detectives that were incriminating or suggested she knew more than she was saying were also thrown out because of the circumstances under which they were taken. Detectives lied and withheld various facts about the case, like not telling her what felony she was being charged with or that Walter was dead. Yeah, that's right. So the comments could not be taken as a factual statement.
Starting point is 01:16:13 So it was botched for the beginning. Everybody fucked up here. Now, on this last point, McConnell notes that there is no law prohibiting investigators from using deception to obtain a statement or confession from a suspect. So the statements made by Florence to police could very well have been used against her. This wasn't the law. So him saying they used deception against her so that those weren't factual statements.
Starting point is 01:16:34 No, that's not the law and it wasn't the law then. Yeah, it would be different if they said like, they bullied her into a confession or something like that. Yeah, like if they beat the shit out of her or something or someone gonna kill you if you don't confess, but they were like, they just didn't tell her that he was dead. They were keeping shit close to the chest. Or, you know, like they said certain things that were, could be deemed deceptive.
Starting point is 01:16:51 There's no law that says they can't do that. So that, that being thrown out of the trial is not right. No. That, because legally it should have been let back in. But McConnell suggests, quote, the judge needed something to hang his hat on from a legal standpoint in order to apply the unwritten law. Even though the Burns case didn't fit the typical narrative of a naive young woman seduced and abused by a scheming man, they were going to use it
Starting point is 01:17:17 anyway. Given Walter's history as a member of the Bedford Avenue gang and the number of times he'd been arrested for fraud schemes, it was very easy for any defense attorney to use the unwritten law as a self-defense claim, especially when the evidence against the accused was flimsy and circumstantial. It's not that flimsy. It's really not. It's circumstantial, sure. Yeah. Flimsy.
Starting point is 01:17:39 Flimsy not so much. Now, without new evidence, there would have been little points in indicating and trying Florence for Walter's murder, and Jerome knew it. Jerome told the press, I still believe that Florence Burns killed Walter Brooks, but I have not got the evidence to prove it. We presented every bit of evidence we had. Jerome signaled his intent to keep the case open and seek additional evidence, saying, quote, to bring the one who did the killing to account is still one of the unfulfilled
Starting point is 01:18:04 duties of this office. We will try to get more evidence. Now, despite his insistence that they were going to continue pursuing this justice for Walter Brooks, Judge Mayer's decision in the special session essentially brought the case to an end. A coroner's inquest followed a few weeks after the hearing, during which the coroner and jury heard more or less the same testimony presented in the special session. And after reviewing the evidence and testimony, the jury concluded that the said Walter S. Brooks came to his death on the 15th day of February 1902 at Hudson Street Hospital by
Starting point is 01:18:36 a penetrating pistol shot wound of the head inflicted on the 14th day of February 1902 at the Glen Island Hotel by a revolver in the hands of some person unknown to the jury. Following the outcome of the inquest, William Jerome gave a statement to the press saying, For the present, at least, the case is closed. Of course, no murder case is actually closed. I shall be on the lookout for new developments all the time, and the slayer of young Brooks may yet be found."
Starting point is 01:19:01 Now, although the hearings had come to an end, the public's interest in Florence and the Burns family continued. But Fred and Henrietta Burns were mortified. They thought she'd shamed them before. I was gonna say. They were mortified by the attention and furious with Florence for once again bringing shame to their family. And for her part, Florence hardly ever left the house
Starting point is 01:19:23 and rather than take any responsibility for her situation she just grew resentful of everyone else she believed was to blame for everything that had happened to her. Like girl you shot a man. As far as she was concerned if her parents hadn't been so strict or if the Bedford Avenue gang hadn't been such scoundrels or if Harry Cohen hadn't tried to interfere with her relationship with Walter none of this would have happened. The fuck did Harry Cohen do? He tried to get Walter to like not meet with her relationship with Walter, none of this would have happened. The fuck did Harry Cohen do?
Starting point is 01:19:45 He tried to get Walter to not meet with her. Yeah. And she was pissed about it. And he shouldn't have. Exactly. By the fall of 1902, Florence had grown tired of being a prisoner in her own home, and she had eloped with Charles Wildrick, a man 10 years older than her. How'd that go? Like the members of the Bedford Avenue gang,
Starting point is 01:20:05 Wildrick came from a prominent family. But rather than take advantage of the opportunities afforded to him, he chose a life of leisure and petty crime. Oh, God. A year before the marriage, Wildrick had been arrested for passing bad checks at hotels. So he was like, a gem. It's like you had the money.
Starting point is 01:20:19 A gem. You literally come from a rich family. After hearing testimony from Wildrick's friends and girlfriend, all of whom lied for him, the judge dismissed the charges, deeming him a gentleman in hard luck who'd fallen among bad associates. Oh, please. A few months later, in an attempt to capitalize on her notoriety, Florence accepted an offer from a vaudeville company, willing to pay her $1,500 to appear on stage.
Starting point is 01:20:43 Damn, that was a lot of money. McConnell points out most people believed Florence had killed Walter Brooks. And most did not mind that she got away with it. But making money off of it was crossing the line. It surely didn't help that the theater company built her as the most persecuted and most beautiful woman in America. I don't know about that. Not surprisingly, Florence's debut on the stage was a disaster.
Starting point is 01:21:06 Oh God. She had no talent, she had no determination, she refused to rehearse and was generally very unpleasant to everybody around her. Critics called her a dismal and pitiable failure. What'd she even do? And they called her ungraceful in her movements. I believe that. She was supposed to dance but she wouldn't rehearse.
Starting point is 01:21:23 So she just fucking went up her link. She was just a dick to everybody, so she just everybody hated her. They probably were like, go break a leg, literally. Literally break a leg. Florence's stage career ended after three years. Just around the time her marriage to Wildrick began falling apart in December 1906. I'm sorry, the fact that it lasted three years is bonkers to me. In January 1907, she moved back in with her parents claiming that her husband had been
Starting point is 01:21:49 unfaithful. Then she began sending postcards to his employer, claiming among other things that he was a morphine fiend hoping the accusations would ruin his career. Jesus Christ, she doesn't stop. After the collapse of her marriage, Florence's life continued a downward spiral. Living mostly on money sent to her by her father, she began drinking heavily, frequently caused drunken scenes in public.
Starting point is 01:22:13 Whenever she was recognized around town, people were often surprised that she was no longer what they had seen in the papers, but instead she was in shambles at this point. Karma's a bitch. She was wearing dirty, rumbled clothing, just not taking care of herself. In the fall of 1910, Florence and her boyfriend Edward Brooks,
Starting point is 01:22:31 which is no relation, were arrested for running a scheme known as a Badger Game, in which a woman tricks an unsuspecting person into a compromising position that extorts money from them in exchange for their silence. What the fuck? The victim in this case was a man named Charles Hurlbert, and he had for months been giving Florence money under the assumption they were involved in a romantic relationship. Oh, that's so sad.
Starting point is 01:22:55 Eventually, Burns and Brooks forced Hurlbert to sign a declaration admitting, quote, he had been guilty on various occasions of degrading practices with women. Wow. Now, Florence and Brooks were of degrading practices with women. Wow. Now, Florence and Brooks were both arrested and put on trial, after which it took a jury only 12 minutes to find both guilty. 12 minutes. And each were sentenced to seven to 14 years in prison. Good.
Starting point is 01:23:18 Florence was released from prison in August 1918 and can you need that downward spiral? In 1922, she pleaded guilty to violating the Sullivan Act, which required New York gun owners to carry a license and was sent back to prison. How the fuck did this woman get a gun? And was paroled two years later. In March 1944, firefighters...1944. Wow, I know. Firefighters responded to a house fire at the home of Florence and her fourth husband, John Stankovitch. After forcing their way into the home,
Starting point is 01:23:50 they found Florence unconscious on the kitchen floor and dragged her out of the house into a hospital where she was revived and sent on her way. This was the last time Florence's name appeared in the newspaper until her death in August 1949. No cause of death is given and she's described only as loving wife of John. What? And that is Florence Burns and the murder of Walter Brooks.
Starting point is 01:24:19 Wow. I think I said wow at least 49 times throughout that. So in 1944, there's just a fire at her house. They find Florence unconscious on the kitchen floor. They drag her ass out, bring her to the hospital, revive her, send her on her way, and no one hears from her again until she dies. That's so eerie. What, like five years later or four years later?
Starting point is 01:24:41 Yeah. And nobody even knows how she died. No, no cause of death is given. That's chilling. Isn't that bonkers? Chilling. What a woman question mark. What a woman question mark. Truly. Damn, that was a crazy case. That was very captivating. It's a wild case. It's just got a lot of like, what the hell's going on here? Yeah. I feel so bad for his family. I know. That's just the fact that they could see it coming.
Starting point is 01:25:11 And that they were trying to, you know, kind of save him from it. Yeah. Yeah. And all of his friends and everything. Yeah. Just, I don't, I feel, it's not like any of the Bedford Avenue gang were like good individuals, you know, no one deserves to die thoughford Avenue gang where like good individuals, you know, I mean, no one deserves to die though.
Starting point is 01:25:27 And it's like- Well, it sounds like he wasn't really- It looks like he was trying to get away from this situation. Yeah. You know? Right. And it's just like- That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:25:36 That could be a movie. It really could. Like it really could. You could see this being like such a visually wild movie to watch. Absolutely. She really got away with it, man. She sure did. Well, that's crazy.
Starting point is 01:25:49 And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But that's not really you do anything that Florence did in this case because wowie, kazowie, wow, wow. Yeah, yeah. Bye. Bye! I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I didn't know you hit the button. How was I supposed to know?
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