Morbid - Episode 543: The Execution of Hamida Djandoubi (with Special Guests Alvin & Fran From Affirmative Murder Podcast)

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

Alvin & Fran from Affirmative Murder Podcast join us today to tell us about the execution of Hamida Djandoubi. On September 10th, 1977, Djandoubi's execution sentence was carried out by Guillotine, and marked the last time it was used for capital punishment in the western world. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of The Last City right now ad free on Wondery Plus. Get started with your free trial at Wondery.com slash plus. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alaina. And I'm Alvin. And I'm Frank.

And this is Morbid with a little crossover. ["Affirmative Murderer"] Affirmative murder is here. Man, first of all, I have to let you guys know that we're bringing in behind the close curtain that we're going to open that curtain up like Wiz. You guys are fulfilling something for me and Fran. We've been beefing for years now. I guess years.

Whatever I came on and guested, had a great time. But Fran wasn't able to make it for scheduling reasons. And he's been holding it over my head for, since that time has happened, he's been very aggressive and saying all kinds of passive aggressive things. We've come to blows almost several times. So it feels good to get a redo and have the full quartet here. And so I want to say thank you Fran,

please speak and let the people know that you're real. It's, yeah, I am real. It's an honor to be here with you guys. I would say the Queens of True Crown podcast. Oh my God, thank you. Yeah, so I think the last time, yeah, I think the last time Alvin maybe hired somebody to like flat my tire so I couldn't go last time.

You can't prove that. That's why I didn't make it. You can't prove that. I'm happy to be here though. We're happy to have you. We're happy to have you guys. I love, that's what, as soon as we got on, I was like Fran is here.

Like the whole crew is here. We had so much fun collabing with Alvin last time, but we were like, we need a Fran. Something felt like I was missing a little bit. It's his fault, it's his fault. It's blaming on him. We'll blame it on Alvin. This took a turn I did not expect.

Alvin, why don't you just go? Yeah, it's just me. I'm about to say, let's just get out of here. This one went to my house, so no. So, see you. I will not be forced out of my home this way. But yes, again, like Fran said, thank you guys for having us.

It's great to see you guys again. Always a great time having the conversation with you guys individually and together. I know that's been so fun too. I know we've done a couple of those over the years. Yeah, so yeah, you guys are cool peeps. We tried, so are you. Right back at you.

Yeah, this is a beautiful family right now. Why don't you get out of here? Suddenly it's flipping. Turned them back on myself. We can all be in this together. We're a family here. Yes, it's a team. Alina, stop arguing.

I'm like, no. I don't want to get to arguing. But you know what? We've got something kind of wild to talk about today. And I'm really excited about it a little bit because it's different than what we've done on a show. Yeah, I felt like you guys would enjoy a conversation about a medieval tool than what we've done on a show. Yeah, I felt like you guys would enjoy

a conversation about a medieval tool of execution and how things come to an end. You know, one day people just stopped planking. Like one day a guy did a plank and then everybody was like, oh, that's not in anymore. That's not cool. And so this is the execution version of that. I felt like this is, it's always cool. And so this is the execution version of that. I felt like this is it's always cool.

It's interesting to see when trends, you know, subside and this happened in this case with the guillotine, you know, like TikTok sounds go out of style. Yeah. Stop. They're like, why are you using that sound? Don't use that sound. Yeah. Skinny jeans. Same exact. That dog going, hell no.

Hell no. It's got like a couple more weeks left. You know, and then someday somebody's going to do that. And I'm like, no. No, no. It's kind of like a couple more weeks left. Some day somebody's gonna do that and I'm like, no. No, we don't do that anymore. You're old. Yeah, gross. This is the exact same thing. And I think, so what we're gonna be talking about today

and you're gonna be able to hear Fran and Alvin tell the story for the most part, which is great, because you're gonna hear what amazing storytellers there are, and it's gonna make you wanna listen to this and then jump right over to their feed and start gobbling up everything that they have to offer. So that's up to you guys, of course, but we do have a podcast called Affirmative Murder. So if you like what we do here, come check us out. There's more there's room for you on the train. It's trains, trains, podcasts of trains. Yeah, I like trains. It's a train.

We're the conductors. Trains, planes, automobiles. Yes, boats. All of the above. However you get there is your business. We highly recommend it. We don't transportation. We will say we're not going to force you over there, but we are highly suggesting by like

shoving you as hard as we can over there. Yes. Tell you gently. You'll love it. Yeah. That's all you need to know. So should we just, should we go? Should we get into it? So let's, let's go.

Let's do it. Let's do this. Like Lil John. Okay. So let's start with like the history of the guillotine, right? Yes. So the guillotine's inception guys,

like many things in modern history is steeped in like rich white man's smoke and mirrors. Incomprehensible. So, he's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, moment, actually. Yeah, we sourced it. Yeah, very rare audio. Yes, exactly. That was archival audio. From the French parliament.

But basically what he said was, hey guys, like the way we're killing people is super like barbaric and gross and torturous. And we need to like streamline this, clean things up, let's get more inundated in the future and leave that stuff in the past. And then he left the room and two less socially important people, poor people, then did all the hard work and invented the actual guillotine. It's more specifically their names were Tobias Schmidt and Antoine Louis.

So, but the device is called the guillotine named after the rich guy named Joseph Ignis guillotine who just had an idea like loosely about cleaning up how people die. And then they were like, how about this? And he's like, that's fine. Put my name on it. Absolutely. And I'll trademark it and patent it as well. So they wanted to make something that's more barbaric And girls. But like quicker. Oh, no, I would disagree. Anybody who wants to look up like the Western European modes of killing people before the guillotine, straight up some of the craziest things I've ever heard of. There was one, there was a chair, like a metal chair that they would just put over fire and

the chair would get really hot and then you just burn to death on the chair. That is crazy. You wouldn't die. So then it's like everything basically before this was like, we torture you for a long time and then we hit you over the head with a mallet. Yeah. Cause you don't die. We just torture you really bad.

They had another one. They tie you to a needle. Then we put you out. Yeah, they're like, Breaking on the rack. That was it. Was that breaking on the rack? And they like break your bones like misery.

One by one. Just like, like slow as fuck. Oh, so as they crank you. Turn you into like a scorpion, essentially. Like, and then I feel like I feel that when we talk about it. It's awful. And it's like, you stole some bread to the rack, you know? And then the rack wouldn't kill you.

And then they would like let the birds eat you slowly. Also, I read that they would either also, they would hit you in your chest with a hammer or your stomach because these were fatal blows, but over time. So like, I think we burst your appendix when we hit you with this hammer in the stomach. So now you'll die in like three days from like stomach. Wow. They were like sepsis. Yeah, exactly. That'll kill you. You'll die eventually. Yeah. But yeah, but it's kind of, it's kind of weird hearing the name now was like, we know his name, but it being named after a machine that was like beheading people was kind of weird hearing the name now where it's like, we know his name, but it being named after a machine

that was like beheading people is kind of crazy. Yeah. Especially somebody's name was like, name was like news or something. Exactly. You're like, new Simmons. Yeah. Wait, what?

Yeah, you're like, whoa. Wait a second. But yeah, it's guillotine you think of the action. And it's like, no, it's just some guy. He had an idea. It's the guy's name, yeah. And some people say guillotine you think of the action and it's like, no, it's just some guy. He had an idea. It's the guy's name, yeah. And some people say guillotine. When I was younger, everyone said guillotine.

And then it like switched over into guillotine, I feel like. Yeah, because we have this conversation all the time. And I, how do you really say it? I like float back and forth. Is this Mandela? Sometimes I'll revert to guillotine. I think it might be. I say guillotine though, and I always have.

Yeah. I might have made this up. I have imposter syndrome, so I'm like, it's French. And I'm like, I'm going to say it French. But if I was just being myself, I would say guillotine because there's no else. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's how it looks. They both feel right. Yeah. I don't think either is wrong. I don't either.

It's all right. Yeah. If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a fucking duck. So shut the fuck up. Absolutely. Certainly. And it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a fucking duck. So shut the fuck up. Absolutely. It's a guillotine. They weren't calling it gilly gilly Hicks. There you go. That's a very deep cut reference. I don't know if anybody shot the gilly Hicks. I used to work. I worked in the Abercrombie umbrella. So I was, you know, Hell yeah. So shot the gilly Hicks. Giyi.

TVT. Shot the gilly Hicks. No, but as we all said, all jokes aside though, the guy, even though he just had an idea, the idea was steeped in some level of dignity and not torturing people. So the criminals of France's past should really thank this guy, because like I said, the stuff was very torturous. It was bad.

Could have been worse. Yeah, you could have been melted on a chair for like punching your friends. Yeah, from the was worse. Yeah, you could have been melted on a chair for like punching your friends. Yeah, from the butt up. But it's way worse. So the guillotine or guillotine went on to become the symbol of the French Revolution because the people saw it as the great equalizer. Because of the, you know, the ideas behind its inception, people believe that whether

you were royalty or you came from the lowest of the low, the gu, people believe that whether you were royalty or you came from the lowest of the low, the guillotine was the great equalizer. Like everybody who commits the same crimes, they die by the guillotine. And this was enforced by the fact that Louis XVI and his wife Marie Antoinette, ever had ever. Queen, literally.

They were both beheaded during the French Revolution. Like the people revolted against them and cut their heads off in a silent mutiny. And they were kind of like the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey of the 17th century. Yeah. I would say so. They kind of were.

They were the couple until the ties. Until they weren't. Yeah. Everybody loved them until they did. Everybody loved Marie Antoinette, had great gowns and she was like super trendy. Until the Super Bowl. So, you know, we'll see how the Super Bowl goes, but hopefully it doesn't end the way that Marie Antoinette and Louis and Louis went out. We can all hope.

We can all hope. Yeah. It would be a more interesting Super Bowl. But yeah, it'd be different. In a different way. In a different way. In a very different way. So it would hit a little different. It would hit very, it would hit very different.

Very true. For the next hundred years though, the guillotine shine is a symbol of France's altruistic and dignified stance on capital punishment. And over time, the public sentiment towards the execution style for highs crimes, it started to shift. And this really kind of really, really took place in during World War II, when Adolf Hitler was killing thousands of people publicly using the guillotine. But it was more, it was malicious. He just, if you dissented against the regime of Adolf Hitler, he would be head you publicly. So really people were like, oh, this isn't this would be head you cut publicly. So really people were like,

oh, this isn't this equaling force in the cast system. It's just as a torture device. The idea that the PR team around the guillotine when it first came out was super strong. It was like Steve Jobs level where they're like, are we cutting your head off? Yeah, but like it's, it's got wifi. Chill, so stuff like that. This thing has Bluetooth. And people were like, well, this is revolutionary. got wifi. It's chill. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, and goes in the basket. So yeah, we can all be, we can all go to like a nice classy dinner after this.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's a barbeque tool that slices off your head and falls in the basket. That's what it's always been. But then when Hitler started using it, people were like, this is nasty actually. Yeah.

It's not the dignified tool that we thought it was. It was like, it was always this gross thing. That's great. But I'm glad you know now. At least we're starting to have conversations now around capital punishment and, you know, in those kind of things. But it took kind of the turn of the century, you know, the industrial age, people driving

cars and stuff to go slicing off people's heads in public is wrong. Kind of fun. Kind of gnarly. It's like a little hardcore. Look at us. Just takes us a minute. Look at us go. Yeah.

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So just a couple decades removed from World War II, the nation of France was so far from the barbaric stances that they had so long ago that this idea of a falling blade being this distinguished, decent way of killing people was now starting to be the subject of conversations in France and all across Western Europe. Because Europe did, in a lot of countries in Europe, did away with capital punishment long before the United States did. Because we also didn't, federally in the United States, we still do that. So, yeah, but a lot of countries in Western Europe don't kill people as a form of punishment.

But yeah, this became an outdated concept in France during the 40s and 50s and 60s. It started to become like this conversation that was had, like, should we be doing this? If we really are the dignified people that we say we are, is killing people in the first place, even dignified at all. It's like a, maybe not. Perhaps not. Probably not.

Yeah. Like the answer is it might not be that chill. It was that kind of, it was the sixties. They're like, you know what? That's not chill. That's super not chill. Moving into a chill vibe century here.

Got to leave some stuff behind. So all of that backstory brings us to the final time a state sanctioned guillotining or guillotining took place in France, which was in the year 1977. Hilariously, in a sense, the same year that Star Wars and New Hope came out. So there was Wow. This really big leap in technology as far as movies go.

And also France was still like, we cut people's head off. Yeah, we cut people's head off. Yeah. When you put those two events together, you're like at the same time. At the same date. Yeah, it's wild. It's super crazy.

Like the idea of such an old form of torture being still used while, you know, my boy Harrison Ford is doing his thing. Super mean in those in those boot cut black pants, those gouchos. Hell yeah. Yeah. Just bounce a court. You could bounce a court off that thing.

So anyway, yes, this is the story of Hamida, Hamida Jandubi, who was the last man to be killed in France by the method of guillotine. Fun fact, as we discussed before, we went live mics with you guys. The last public guillotining actually took place in 1939, when a serial killer named Eugene Weidman was beheaded in front of a crowd of hundreds. It's a crowd of like 600 people gathered four hours early. They were passing out sausage sandwiches. People were like, they were like doing the wave.

They were not hearing and whistling. It was the Super Bowl. Coachella? It's not Coachella. This was, yes, this was murder. This was Coachella. Coachella. Yes.

Can I get there early? They had like souvenir stands out there. This was Coachella, 1939. You get my seat. They were four hours early. The beheading took place at 4 a.m. So they were out there at midnight. Damn.

People were on the boaters. They picked up their outfits ahead of time. Exactly. People were wearing gray band dinner. It's straight up a medieval. It is straight up from the 1600s. It's 1939. That is wild to me. Everybody's wearing like,

super flowery headdresses. Oh yeah. Yeah, it was a very big fashion moment. It's like, what are you wearing? The dress coats. Yeah, Lana Del Rey was there in a past life. Yeah, Lana Del Rey. Honestly, I didn't know the spirit of Lana Del Rey.

She's a thousand years old and she was at this. Cause of course she would be. Lana Del Rey is always a ghost in a white dress. Always. Christopher Lee was actually at that one. Who? Christopher Lee from Star Wars and Dracula and Lord of the Rings.

He was at this? He was 17 years old and he was actually at that one. The 1939 one? Yes. And he said he didn't look. He said he heard it at the last second. He said he heard it though. Oh, yeah, he said it was like wilds.

Oh you heard it? Oh my goodness. Probably like a crunch or something crazy. I know. It feels like a beat. No, but hearing like the membrane spying. The neck. And then the head fall.

Oh sure, like if they used like a Neural Cove razor. It should be sharp. But then you hear a thump. You'd hear that thump though. If it was a BIC, you'd hear everything. Yeah. BIC played together. He's big, big, big, big.

Sponsored by BIC. This one, this was the last public when it was sponsored by BIC. It was sponsored by BIC. Yeah. The documentary's coming out soon. It failed, the event. It was like, it was like, what's the story? It was like, what's the story?

A great sponsoring opportunity. It's like, BIC ruined in 99? A great sponsoring opportunity. It's like big ruin everything. The guy didn't die. That's what Gillette is the best the band can get. Because they did not fall for this. Yeah, but so this last one, this last public one, people were going crazy. The beheading took place at like 4 AM

and people lost their shit. They were throwing their sausage sandwich. They were living for the moment more. And the French government was so embarrassed that they were like, we are people lost their shit. They were throwing their sausage sandwiches. They were living for the moment more. And the French government was so embarrassed that they were like, we are never doing this again. So it took a crowd race. Wow. It was, no, it's not even outraged.

The crowd was so excited and in ravenous. The French government was disgusted at itself and was like, we're not doing this anymore. Guys, I haven't too much. You guys haven't too much fun. Too much fun at this. French parties, dancing. Yeah, they were the French.

They were the fun police. They were the fun police. These people had a blast, man. They were, you know, they were losing their shit. They were throwing stuff. Like they lost their mind. It wasn't like the people lost their mind at this barbaric incident.

It was so sick and awesome. The French government was like, this is done. You people are animals. And we are taking this away from you because we thought you guys would be disgusted and you guys are too excited, it's over now. It's supposed to be a lesson. You supposed to learn a lesson.

You supposed to learn a lesson. You supposed to walk away from this and be like, you shouldn't steal. They're like, we see. You know what it was? They were like, we see that you are all humans and that humans are terrible and we don't ever want to see that again.

We'd like to pretend we're not this way. This is why the government exists to protect the people from themselves. Yes. The government makes the decisions that the people would never make because your guys are animals. So they had to do that.

Which is pretty horrifying. Yes. It's really horrifying. Yeah. Somebody left that. I'm going to frame a dude for thievery tomorrow so that they can do that. We'll do another one tomorrow.

This could be awesome. I fucking hate my neighbor. Let's go. Let's frame him. And then he'll be beheaded publicly. Cause we look back at these like public executions from like, you know, King Henry the eighths and all that shit. And we're like, oh my God,

people are like bringing their kids to this. They were just like coming out for this. Like it was a big event. Times was so different. People were so terrible back then. And then we're like 1939. We're all like, listen to this on the radio. Yeah.

It's when everybody's got on like, you know, um, leader, Hosen and those big, um, man sparkly dresses. I don't know, like what William Shakespeare's always depicted in when I see those. I'm like, yeah, those people got beheaded. But when you see somebody in like a suit, yeah, seeing those kind of suits got somebody with a pocket watch and a big bow tie was like and like a pompadour. Yeah.

And brush their teeth. And they were like, let's go to the beginning. Hide your nose. A thing. Exactly. You know, also off topic a little, but I was having a discussion with my girlfriend the other day and we were talking about how that 50 shades of gray moment, like we all just kind of look back on that or we did look back on it was like, people were going to the movie theaters in droves to like watch smut. Yeah. Like, like, like it was sold out. Like this weekend, you can't get a ticket to go see 50 shades and there's just a bunch of people in the audience being like, oh my.

Just watching Grocer United. When you look back on it, that's really weird to do. It's wild. Elbow to elbow with a stranger just being in heat. That's crazy. So people are going to look back on that someday, and be like, what are these people doing? This is a dirty one. We're a weird species.

People gathering to watch fanfic. People are really something. Something to get better. We just get weirder. We just get different. Carpool to a guillotine is nuts, man. It not it's what the sausage sandwich while somebody's getting the head because the cutoff is that's a real thing like the Sausage sandwich thing is a real thing. Yeah, the shops there. There was two shops right there in the town square that we're like We got a load up on sausage sandwiches because there's gonna be a

Packed crowd tonight. They were they had that'll change you. And there were waiters like joking around. So was the money to be made? The vendors, the vendors out there like popcorn, get your popcorn. It's straight up medieval. Oh, yeah, as hell. Yeah. But it was 1939. 1939. So let's get back to this guy named Hamida Jandubi,

the man in question. So Hamida Jandubi was born on September 22nd, 1949. He was actually born in Tunisia, which I've not been to, but when I looked up pictures, it's gorgeous. It's like a coastal country in Northern Africa. It's got beautiful waters. It almost kind of looks like Greece. But there is a travel...

Oh, wow. Morning or travel advisory about like, there's like a high crime at the moment. Oh, damn it. But it's beautiful. I mean, you look up the, I couldn't find a bad picture of it. Oh, it's gorgeous.

Yeah, this place is gorgeous. No, this is gorgeous. I wanna go. Yeah. So I guess, for whatever reason, by the time Hamida was 20 years old, he was like, fuck all this blue water and sun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Which I, listen, I had a great time when I went to France, but it is pretty dirty. It looks like New York. Yeah. Yeah. Like all the pictures that you see are lies. Yeah. It's just a lie.

It's probably. It's probably. It's probably. It's just New York. Every restaurant down by the Eiffel Tower sucks. Like they're all like, they want you to leave quickly because it's touristy. It's touristy. So you really got to go outside.

It's like, it's like New York. You got to you don't go to Times Square. OK. That's true. Yeah, no, you got to go. There's a word for that. Yes. Like when you go to Paris and you get disappointed because it's like it's like a thing a lot of people experience. Omwe. I'm going to Google it.

Keep going. And I'll just enter. Yeah, it's yeah. The French disappointment, if you go with the tourist mindset, if you don't, if you go and you're like, oh, I went on TikTok and I was like, places the locals go, I had a great time. Okay. But the, the Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, all these things, you're never gonna get close to the Mona Lisa.

You're the Eiffel Tower, you look at it, but it was closed. Like you couldn't go in it because they were doing construction. Everything is just like, huh, but beautiful people, great shops. And if you go to the places where the locals go, it's a cool city, but it is dirty. It's called Paris syndrome, by the way. It's a thing.

There you go. People get hallucinations, increased heart rate, nausea, because they're so disappointed. Damn. Yeah. Sorry, friends. Were you that disappointed? Yeah, really? You're like, wait, I thought that like this was like, Amelie, everybody thinks it's Amelie. Sorry, Fran. Sorry, Fran. Yeah, really?

You're like, wait, I thought that like this was like, Amelie, everybody thinks it's Amelie. Yeah, everybody thinks it's sad. They're like, it's gonna be like a romantic, beautiful dream. Yeah, so it's never that. It's just never that. But anyway, so Hamida had moved to France

by the time he was 20 years old and he was living and working in France as a stock boy at a grocery store. He also had a job as a landscaper, but in 1971, he suffered an accident on the job. One of Hamidah's legs was caught in a tractor, brushing it horribly and causing him to lose two thirds of his right leg. Oh, that's a lot of your leg.

That's a lot of your leg. That's almost all of it. Yeah, pretty much all of it. But I like, see what they did in that, um, remember that two, that two part movie thing that came out with Rose McGowan when she made it a gun. Oh, yes. The grind house. He lost about that much of his leg like most of it up to a squad.

Got about that movie. Well, yeah, well, that was a really bold idea for like 2000. That was a wild. A double feature movie. I got about that. I'm not sitting in the movies for five hours. Crazy. Now I'd love it. 8K 47.

How yeah. Yeah. 8K 47 leg. Damn. Yeah. And it was that was an off when movies are just like always are silly. It's like how does she pull the trigger with like, like what pulls the trick? Who knows?

Who knows? Who cares? And that's what I love when movies do that. Like don't ask questions. This lady has a gun as a leg. That's awesome. Just happens. Whenever the theme of a movie is don't worry about it.

That's when I, that's fun. Like when you ask a question, you just go, don't worry about it. Deal with it. Yeah. You don't ask questions. Just enjoy what's happening. Take the ride. Yeah. So yeah.

So unfortunately Hamida did lose about two thirds of his legs and he did not get a cool gun like he just, they gave him a prosthetic eventually. He struggled to find work for years after this accident. And this is when he started to take up drinking and using controlled substances. And in 1973, he met a young woman named Elizabeth Biscuette. Okay, that's an elegant name.

It's a very elegant name. That is. Sidebar, I am ashamed at how long I did call biscuits Biscuette. Okay, that's an elegant name. It's a very elegant name. That is. Sidebar, I am ashamed of how long I did call biscuits, biscuits. Biscuits. Biscuits. I think you should still call biscuits. You should be ashamed.

The same thing as, what was the other word we were talking about? As guillotine. It looks like biscuit. It has a Q and an I. That's what I call my dog. My dog's name is biscuit, so biscuit. Or at least biscuit. Biscuits.

When they's fancy. Why not? You know, I think I'm just saying, I'm just telling people if you if you take nothing else from affirmative murder, know that we like to think outside the box over there. Yeah. Romanticize every day life. Exactly. So I have a nice biscuit some tea. Yeah. So so these two met while Hamida was recovering in the hospital from an amputation because at first he lost the leg, but then he had to have a couple of amputation surgeries to kind of clean it up

and you know, all that kind of stuff, get it where it needed to be. And while he was sitting in the hospital, he met Elizabeth Biscuette. But not long after meeting, Elizabeth filed a complaint against Jan Dooby, alleging that he tried to force her into prostitution. So yeah. Which is horrifying to think about. That's so scary. That he's just being taken care of by this because she's like a nurse. Yeah, she comes and checks on the patients.

Yeah, and he's trying to force her into sex work. It's like, how, where did those two things connect? And how did this happen? He's down and out and he's still this evil. Like that's scary. Oh, that's what, yeah. When somebody's in their darkest time and they're still like, how can I manipulate

and exploit people? Like that, I mean, really, like this person is trying to be nice to you while you're, not even more than half of your leg is gone. And while they're talking, you're like, oh, I'm gonna fucking manipulate and just trick you so bad. That's really-

I'm gonna try to ruin your life. That's dark. Wow, that's dark side. And Tennis, I'm gonna gaslight and destroy your life Well, they're just like sponge bath. Can I help you? That's a really evil person that they're dark Yeah, that's dark-sided. Yeah, I'll tell you what if if if Obi-Wan Kenobi had looked down on Anakin Skywalker while he was all burnt up on that lava mountain and and he said like One day I'm gonna be a super evil dude and kill everybody

I think he would have killed him But if you knew in his mind he's like oh, I'm gonna human traffic you you'd be like oh god Yeah, so he fell down that classic Tractor accident to sex trafficking redditor pipeline, you know, it's the easy one to fall into, you know, you absolutely. Right. We've all heard of Yada, Yada, Yada sex trafficker. That's what his like, that's what his defense tried to use. They were like, that exact. They're like, you know how this happens? Yeah.

It's like, I don't know if that was going to work. Not a lot. I ruptured my Achilles like five years ago and I was super bummed out. Never thought about committing horrible crimes and people. Yeah. I mean ago and I was super bummed out never thought about committing horrible crimes Right people. Yeah, I mean was I like yeah, what did I do? I smoked a little weed and I watched spider-man into the spider-verse I'm gonna like make Girl Scout sell cookies for me without giving them the money to get their prizes My brain never cooked up some kind of crazy scheme.

I was not scheming. So Jan Duby was arrested for her filing a complaint against him, but he was released not long after because it was a complaint. There was nothing criminal to charge him with. Upon his release though, Hamid alerted two other young girls to his apartment and forced them into prostitution for his financial benefit.

And it's actually really interesting the times in France, like if anybody's seen Moulin Rouge, this was the time of the madame. Like there was a lot of like brothels and madams and there was one madame in particular. I didn't write her name down, but she was the most famous madame. And her signature was she would make all of the women that she forced into sex work gives plastic surgery like Immediately like she would get them under her control and then get make them have plastic surgery It was like that was like her stamp and this is plastic surgery in like the 1970s, right? It's not all about surgeries, but it's like you all get it and yeah and so in France this was a very popular brothels and madams and all these things. And so he kind of tried to follow that same pathway,

but he was using his apartment and he wasn't good at it. But he was still a man who was manipulating women. He was still making women be under his control. But that was his idea when you couldn't get a job as a stock boy, he's like, I'll become a pimp or whatever you call that in French. So like I said,

Jandubi is now seeing himself as some kind of a pimp or whatever you call that in French. So like I said, Jan Duby is now seeing himself as some kind of a pimp and his arrogance as a man didn't let him let go of the fact that Elizabeth Biscouette had filed a complaint against him. So for the next year, he fixated on the fact that she wasn't under his control. She didn't fall for his tricks or lies or whatever and become one of his women or whatever. And they call them Laurets.

That's the French word for a sex worker that works at the time. Like there's Laurets and then there is, what was Satine and Mulan? That's why I brought up Mulan. She was a- Oh, a courtesan. A courtesan. A courtesan is like, you work with one specific John and they kind

of fund your lifestyle where a laureate is what you think of a sex worker, like a rotating cast of people that you know, so I was a laureate, but a courtesan is more like, oh, I have a rich, a rich dignitary takes care of me. But they all work at a brothel for a madam. It's just different levels of it, I guess. But yeah, so he sees himself as this, but he still, you know, Elizabeth Biscueta's in the back of his mind is this the one that got away,

the one that tried to put him in prison. He can't let it go. She bested him. He fixates on it until July of 1970. That's so scary that he fixated that long. Yeah, he just couldn't let it go. Oh, that's so scary. That's, yeah, that's evil.

Well, men are scary, you know, and that's one thing as a man in true crime, you don't really, as a man, not in true crime, if you don't have conversations with women, you don't really know how scary men are when you're a man. But when you, when you see a woman go like, oh, walking down the street, like, what men are thinking about?

Like, all of these things are like, they're all, they all can be dangerous to somebody, you know? But you never look at it that way. Of course. A woman's Roman empire is being killed. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's like, and it's probably, you think by a man, like some guy that's on Instagram or,

you go to the gym as them and there's just some guys just like, I like you now. Could be anybody. Those are my feelings. It's like, how you you now. Could be anybody. Those are my feelings. It's like, how you feel doesn't have anything to do with that. Right. Yeah. Well, I followed you to your car because I want your number.

Oh, yeah. And that's fine. I don't want to give it to you. But like, I want it though. That's scary. I don't think of that as that's just not an experience I've had in my life. As a man, you know, in my younger years,

I've had some aggressive women be like, look at me, your phone number. But I was never like, ooh. Terrified. She might kill me. Lucky with her. It was like, what a weird lady. Yeah.

I'm like, no. No way. And I think that's a hard concept for a lot of men to be like, why don't you just say no? It's like, well, intimidation, fear, you know, like it's a lot of things. It's a lot more complicated than that. Because you don't want to piss a man off.

And sometimes people do say no, and it doesn't work out. And then the bad things happen faster. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't even really take a walk or a jog alone as a woman anymore. Like you can't, like I would love to take a jog in the morning, like early morning with like music on, but I could never do that. Like my husband's like, absolutely not.

Like you're not going by yourself. Like if you want to go for a walk, your husband has to go. He has to come. So you can't have like a long time to like just zone out to like music. Yeah, with your cute pink head phones. Like you just thought. Things like that. I remember telling I told Alvin I went to Myrtle Beach maybe a couple years ago

and there was a, we was out mini golfing and there was a young lady going for a jog. It was maybe nine o'clock at night. She had headphones when I was like, oh my God. That's, it kind of made me scared. I was like, that's crazy. She's jogging by herself late at night.

I mean, I'm not from Earl Beach, but that's still terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. You're like worried for her. Right. Be careful. We have had many conversations where we're just casually talking and we're like,

I got the AirPods Max's last year. And I'm like, you hit the button and everybody goes away. I don't know what's going on. I don't know. And like, you have that conversation. That button is for men. Yes, that's exactly right. It's so true.

I'm like, I hit this button. You could come hit me in the back of the head with a bat. I couldn't know what. Who's in front of the camera? We're like, but we're like, that's awesome. That's so awesome. Yeah. I have no idea what's going on in my surroundings

when I hit this button. I'm like, Yalyn, can you hear me? You can't. We just see mom lips. Oh, you're just like all excited. I have no idea what's going on in my surroundings when I hit this button. I'm like, Yelen, can you hear me? You can't, we just see mom lips. It's like awesome. I have no idea what's happening. And that's the freedom of a man to be like, you could just like turn off your guard.

Yes, it's so true. Cause we have those two and we were doing that. We're like, well, I can't hear you at all. And I was like, I could never wear these outside of the house. Nope. I would never hit this button if I wasn't in the safety of my own. No, never. Even with the button off, I'm like, should I be wearing these? Yeah,

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cigarettes on her body. So this was very like vindictive and evil, fightful years, I mean, days and days of in weeks of thinking and fixating on her. And he didn't take it. He took his time in getting his revenge on her. Wow. He straight up tortured her.

Yeah, really horrible. And also to do it in front of the two other women that were under the control of his sex trafficking ring was also intentional as well, probably. Trying to prove a point. Oh yeah, absolutely. Like this will happen to you if you try to go. Kind of flexes his muscle.

Yep. So the squint actually survived the ordeal, but after the torture, Hamida drove her to the outskirts of Marseille, another lovely town, beautiful, beautiful city. And, but he strangled her on the outskirts of Marseille, another lovely town, beautiful, beautiful city. But he strangled her on the outskirts of Marseille. He then returned from the brutal murder and Jan Duby warned the other two girls not to say anything about what they had seen or else, that whole implications thing. There's the intimidation.

But on July 7th, 1974, Elizabeth Biscuette's body was discovered in a shed and the investigation by the police was launched. However, though, Jan Duby was so arrogant that he moved on from that immediately. And not more than a couple of days later, he went back out to try to kidnap another young girl with the intention of forcing her into his sex trafficking ring. So he's looking to get a third woman into his sex trafficking ring. But the young lady managed to flee probably because she ran. So she got away, she gets away and she filed a police report against the police and they went and arrested them, but they arrested him again for a complaint basically, which

is what Elizabeth Biscuette filed against him. So he was arrested, but during the time that he was in holding, they actually brought him up on charges for the murder of Elizabeth Biscuette. So thankfully they were able to connect the dots because he was a human trafficker, what his actions were. And then they put that together with how Elizabeth Biscuette was killed and also read something that the two women once he was arrested came forward and gave their accounts as well. Yeah. So it was like kind of put it all together in that moment, but thank you know, he could have been let out on whatever the way he was let out when he threatened Elizabeth Biscouette.

So thankfully he wasn't. And thank goodness those other two women were able to talk about what happened to them because sometimes they break them so hard that they don't even feel like they can speak out against them. Yeah. They probably saw it as like their opportunity. Yeah. We have to do this while he's incarcerated.

For sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's what happened. I think they were like, this is our moment to to get him Yeah, yeah, so um, yeah, so after two and a half years of sitting in prison on February 24th, 1977 Amida Jandubi appeared in court on charges of torture murder rape and premeditated violence his defense as Elena alluded to was that The tragic loss of two-thirds of his leg drove him to a period of alcohol abuse and violence, which transformed him into a different

person. And that different person just happened to be a human trafficker. And it's like, okay, then we're gonna imprison that different person that you are today. Yeah, that different person. You're going to be going to the joke. You're going to be going to the joke now. Yeah. There's plenty of people go through that and don't do what he did. Like, come on. That's the shittiest defense ever.

It is. It's like he lost his leg. Yeah. To try to fucking weaponize mental illness like that to be like, I was going through a time of darkness. Exactly. And I became a full-blown criminal. Yeah. So I should a full blown criminal. Yeah. So I should be just let free. There's other ways to like deal with your, you know, not having

a job. And I'm, listen, if you go through a tragic accident and your life has changed forever, if I ruptured my Achilles in 1977, I would have a limb for the rest of my life. Thankfully, modern science is, you know, you can get a surgery and now I can play basketball again and I can run everything. But if I was now a person who walked different and couldn't work the same job that did, that would affect me mentally. That's no excuse to start. Absolutely not.

Ruin people's lives and keep that from people and stuff. Go to therapy. The things that therapy can resolve, you'll be amazed by. It's wild. Any other outlet than hurting other human beings or yourself. Yeah. Anything else.

Yeah. You know, hurt, they say, you know, and everybody goes hurt people hurt people. Like, no, don't just, that's, let's not, let's not just normalize that. Like, that's an excuse. I know we say it like that's a bad thing, but hurt people can do other things. Yeah. Her people go to therapy. That's the 2024 slogan.

Her people go to therapy. That's the 2024 slogan. Her people go to therapy. Exactly. So the very next day, so this would be February 25th, Amida Jandubi was sentenced to death. Like they, they heard, they heard all they needed to hear his defense said their bullshit that they said they were like, you know, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Alcohol abuse. They went and deliberated for a cool 45 minutes and they came back with that death by guillotine verdict. And after a denied appeal, Hamida was also informed that he would not receive a reprieve from the then president of France. So he was, but no way he thought he was like sitting in the hall.

Oh man. He was like, he's going to come through. I know it. If president Ha Ha can send you a free. If he sends that reprieve, I'll be good to Gabby Golden, you know? And the president did not do that. No. That's not President Ha Ha style.

Ha Ha does not play like that. President Ha Ha was like, no, no. No. Homie don't play that. The one thing about President Jaha, he doesn't like guys that do what he did. So he's like, no reprieve for you. He said, jaha, uh-uh. Jaha said, uh-uh.

So the president of France denied a reprieve for Hamida. And in the early morning of September 10th, 1977, 12 days before his 28th birthday, Hamida Jandu was 28. He was only 27. He was only 28 years old. So he was, he didn't make it to 28. He was 27 years old.

50 years old. Now this is a young boy. I mean, by the time he was 20, he was working at the stock place. His injury happened by the time he was like 23 years old. So between 23 and 27, he had a life as a scummy human trafficker. He's literally my age.

He's a literal baby. That's crazy. And now he's sitting at the gallows, man. Crazy times. Being there with a guy holding a curtain rod or whatever the string is, to drop a fucking a big razor on your neck. And they walk you past that wicker basket

that your headless body is gonna be placed into. Like you just, you just breeze right by it. I'm like, that's me. They said he was like really trying to buy a time. He's smoking cigarettes. Oh yeah. They told him like that's enough. Yeah, he was really sick of us.

There's so many cigarettes. He's really taking another one. He's really taking a chill out. Yeah. And a glad he like, I think he had like three cigarettes and a glass of water. And I don't blame him though. I mean, like he was taking those things from him too. He was like, I'm going to say, he was taking those. You got a Gillette, right?

To just start at you. You like, this is the end. That last meal. Yeah. Oh, the last meal. And you see the, and she's my like, Swing, Swing, Swing, Sharpener than see somebody like, swing, swing, swing, swing. I was like, I'll have everything.

Literally everything. Take me to the buffet. Because you think about it and you're like, when I finish this cigarette, that is the last thing I do. That is it. Or if I take this last sip, that's the last thing I do.

I would want to be like a little tipsy. They, they would have, they would have to fight me. They would have to pull that cigarette. No, I'm not done. You're just gonna have to do the cigarette. You had to pull that from me. Soaking the filter. They spray it. They spray it and put the fire out.

Put it out. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's so stressful to think about. Yeah, that's a lot to reconcile. Oh, it's like, it's coming to an end. Yeah, and then, yeah, like, and then like,

this is the bucket head is going to fall in. Yeah. And so. Like, here's the basket that will put your headless body in. You guys, white gloves on. Like, this is my favorite. Oh, yeah. He's real, real classy. The guy that he's a real classy guy. He's got ass jeeps gloves on. He's like, and here's your bag.

Here's your head basket. Ass jeeps gloves. Because I think Eugene Weidman there, the guy at the last public execution there. I was like, and here's your back. Here's your head basket. Chief's clubs. Because I think Eugene Weidman there, the guy at the last public execution there in like 39. He, when they walked him out, his eyes were closed. The whole, he didn't want to look at anything. He just squeezed his eyes shut the whole time.

And I was like, oh. Yeah, I will be the same way. Same. I don't want to see that. No, no, no, I don't want to look at this. I wouldn't either. That's where my head is going to fall. You bump into the basket. They're like, this is a second generation guillotine.

Yeah. They start taking you through like it's a Winnebago. They're like, this is a... It's guillotine 2.0. Yeah, we really stream blind things. This is a titanium string that it falls from. You're like this vicious serial killer is reduced into like closing his eyes.

Closing his eyes. Shut like a kid. It's just like, ooh. I know at first second I was like, oh, and then I was like, wait a second. Then you're like, wait a second. Fuck this guy. Yeah.

Too many emotions. That part is kind of, when you talk about it being the great equalizer, yeah. When you talk about somebody being this horrible thing, person that did this horrible thing and then them being. It brings you right down. Yeah.

In that moment, them being scared. Absolutely. It's like, no matter who you are or what you did, when you see that in the basket and the thing, everybody's this, it's the same reaction. You know, no one's looking at that stoically. No, it's not happening. No, no, no, no, no. You know, Marie Antoinette was so flustered and, and fucked up and scared. It was, they, they killed Marie Antoinette for a lot of fuck the reasons. It was, it was really fucked up, but she apologized to the guy that did the thing, like, because she stepped on the shoes.

She was so flustered, like she didn't know, like, wow, you know what to do. She apologized to him for stepping on the shoes. That was her last words. Meanwhile, you're going to be cutting my head off in a second, but I'm sorry I stepped on your shoes. Yeah, I was like, sorry, I got scuffed up your shoes on. Sorry.

But you're just like, who knows what I would say? Yeah. Did I leave the pot on? I don't know. Yeah. Like, don't, don't, don't record that. You're like, don't, I don't want that. It's so gross. Yeah. It's crazy, man. So, um, yeah. September 10, 1977, 12 days before his 28th birthday, Amida Jandubi was guillotined at the Bomet prison in Marseille shortly after 440 AM. And like I said, there's really like no better city I can think of that to be killed in because it's a beautiful city. You look up pictures of Marseille, gorgeous.

Oh, really? Yeah, it's really nice sight to see before. It's nice. Like this. If you look out that window, like a picture, like a hunchback in Notre Dame style, like, I think every prison in Europe is made of bricks and then they have like bars. And you look out and you see the beautiful coast of Marseille. He's like, oh, wow. Yes, it's very magnificent. For the last time.

And then they take you off to slice your head off. Now there is some debate as to whether a person is still alive even briefly after a beheading. And some physicians have done studies in the last century that show brain activity in animals, like rats rats and stuff for like up to 30 seconds. So, but they say this could be a reaction to the pain receptors from the quick slicing. Like it could just be the pain receptors reacting as far as blinking and stuff that people have said they've seen heads doing baskets. This is has been seen in like rat people being bit by rattlesnakes that have been beheaded. Or like I have a friend, she embalms,

she works at a funeral home and she said, the dead bodies, they sigh. Elena, can you give a gesture? They do, I can't attest to that. That does happen, because air will be forced out sometimes and it'll, in a little bit of like a moan will come with it sometimes

because it's just like a trapped moment almost. Rocked my spine when she told me that. No, that's fucked up. That'll rock your shit when you're alone in a morgue. Luckily, I think I'll never find myself in that position. So. That's terrible. They warned me ahead of time of that, thankfully,

because when it happened, I was like, oh, and I was like, okay, all right, I know what that is. And she said it was like melancholic. Like it's very much like. It is. Yeah. It's a very sad. Like it's like it was like melancholic. Like it's very much like it is. Yeah. It's a very sad. Like it's like a little like you're boring. Is it like being dead?

Is there like different tones? Like it being a male and female or is just a... Yeah. It can be. And it's like different when like different methods of it coming out. Like sometimes when you cut, sometimes the air just escapes. So like it'll just be like a... No, when you're that in that moment. Like that, yeah. Certain air will escape in certain ways.

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Yeah, he sat in that basket. Does that last 30 seconds? Yeah, just have a moment of like, regurgts. Are they tied up? Like, are they laying down? I think they, you know, tie their hands behind their backs or they might even be like, we got you here, man. Just sit down on your knees. I think they lay like belly down.

Yeah. And somebody holds their feet. You'd have to tie your head. There's no way I'm just going to, I'm just going to, like, yeah, I'm just going to like go along with this. It's not happening. Didn't they used to put like a hood over your head too? I think they did

for hanging for hangings because you're sometimes your own. Yeah, but they might have done it for that because then the head falls in the basket and then in the bag, you take the bag out and they like your head more hygienic. What is the thing called? They like your head because you can't because that was that's the stockade. Okay. That's for when you want to be pummeled with tomatoes. Yeah. When you want to be for minor crimes. That's for when you want to be pommeled with tomatoes. Yeah. When you want to be. Those are for minor crimes. That's for like, you know, you, you, uh, look, you, you look at a married woman in public. They put you in the sky, okay. You throw tomatoes at your face.

You showed an ankle. Yeah. You, yeah. You were a, you were a Jezebel. Yeah. You had your knees out. Oh, scandalous. You just get beat with tomatoes in the town square. But yes, uh, that was the story of Hamida Jandubi and the last time a guillotine was used on a human being in France and in Western Europe.

Damn, that's so wild. That's crazy. They also used to call it the national razor. No, I still saw. Yeah, that's more metal. I kind of like that. That's hard. It's the really metal.

We're taking you to the National Razor today. I did look up, because I always wonder why the razor was at an angle. So he said he'd do that so it was the easy slice because if it was flat, it'll like bounce. It would be breaking the neck. Yes. That makes sense. Like I told you in the beginning, when you talk about their methods. They used to just have one guy with an axe. It was kind of tall. And so it would take a couple of swipes, like

two, three, four or so, twice. And there was even, you know, everything creates a market, right? So there were people who were like, if you loved your family member, you'd slip the, you'd slip the, the, the warden or the guy with the axe, some money to use a sharper axe. Like, here's 20 bucks, man. If you try hard to like really get it in one go. Cause there were some where it was like, they would slip and hit them in the back. There was somewhere they would like-

They would slip. Yeah, like slip. Fuck you. Cause some of those executioners were just like- Get wrecked. Drunk and like, some of them were like, you know, having to deal with doing this all the time. So they would show up like just completely wasted and like,

I'd be so pissed if mine was drunk. He missed completely missed. Yeah. Wow. And then sometimes I think the person who was being executed had to pay the executioner as they walked up onto the for the service. The scaffolding. Could you come my hat off? Like a lot of like King Henry VIII wives

who were murdered that way, like handed them like a bag of coins before. The beheading tax. Yeah. Yeah, listen, they tax you till it's over, man. Like let's say the beheading tax. You have to pay for everything. You gotta pay this as a service.

You gotta pay the beheader. That's humiliating too. Isn't it? Like you're paying for this? Yeah, that adds a level of humiliation. Yeah, don't tap my pockets one last time before you slice my head off. Especially when it's the guy with the axe. I'd much rather space the guillotine

than a guy just named Marcus. Yeah, just like, all right, let's do this. Well, the knax is crazy. The knax and his doll. And they have to be able to aim correctly. And like you said, you need that angle. Yeah, you got to really hit a specific spot. You set a back, you get in the back with an axe.

So fucked up. What do you say, my bad? Yeah, sorry, but I'm sorry. Oopsie, bro. Sorry. Hey, bro, scoot back a little bit. Sorry about that. You weren't on the mark.

That was your fault. It was your fault. That was your fault. My spine's out. You're like, no, it was on you. That was your fault. It was your bad. That was your fault. That was your fault. You're like, my, my spine's out. You're like, no, it was on you. It was your fault. It was your fault. It was your fault.

That was on you. That wasn't me. Yeah, it was your fault. It was your, you flinched, you flinched it. You flinched. Damn. That's wild. And imagine just going home after that,

like as the executioner, you're just like, all right. You just go home to your family. Did you bake dinner? Imagine going home after that as the public and being like, that was sick, man. That was awesome. Yeah, I don't wanna imagine. Like truly, like people would bring their kids

to those things. Yeah, we've come a long way in a lot of ways, but not really as well. I don't know about that. I remember when I watched political shows, I'm like, whenever we, like when we watch stuff like 300 and stuff, and they're like, a dagger in the sleeve and people putting poison in cuffs.

I'm like, less stuffs just, it's still happening. People just wearing Tom Ford suits now. Yeah. It's true. We're all like, it's come such a long way. It's like, I don't know. This has been 1977. Yeah. Really not that long away. Yeah. They're like, now it's democracy.

I'm like, no, that stuff just happens. My hunch was, everybody else in the country could see the long goal though. What? Like guillotine? Yeah, they're like now it's democracy. I'm like no that stuff just happens What Yeah, no bro. Yeah, Star Wars is out. That's like 50 years not even yeah That is not Damn, that's like like my mom was born when that one happened. Yeah, I was born only a few years later Yeah, like less than 10. Eight years before your first B-day. Yeah, eight years later, I came to this world.

I wasn't even a thought. No, you weren't. You're like, yeah, you know, you know, you know, just super young and like porcelain skin, baby. I don't claim that though. No, it's a little kneel. The elders here, like, and I was like the next year.

Oh my goodness. Wow, what a story. But yeah, Hamida Jandubi and the guillotine. What a story. Thank you for telling us that. Thank you guys for listening. I really. That horrifying tale. Thank you for bringing that that thank you guys for listening. I really that horrifying

Thank you for bringing that beautiful beautiful tail our way. That was a wild one right? Yeah, that was crazy It really was and he was I mean he was evil also I can I just take a second before we go can I give you guys your flowers? really quick because you guys had Holly Madison on your podcast a couple times and I love her story and who she is. And I just when I think about my youth and what TV was in the early 2000s and how women were exploited so crazy, like everything about the early 2000s was like pixelated mouths and pixelated bodies and you know, Anna Nicole Smith and Holly Madison and all you know, all these people who

imagine what Anna Nicole Smith in the Colesmith podcast would be today. She's probably such an interesting and amazing person, but she was like exploited by the powers that that be at the time of what they thought people wanted to see from reality television. And to hear her going on your platform and tell a story and just be like a person.

I hate to, I don't mean to say it in a like a misogynistic way, but like, cause she's really a person is like, it was like really really cool because I only know her from the Girls Next Door show. Yeah, to get to be like her own person. Yes. Exactly. She's such an interesting person. Her and Bridget are so sweet.

So smart. So sweet, so smart, so interesting, so like multi-faceted. And so kind. I love them. They're just like, and it's like, I want everybody to know that. They're so amazing. Like they are not just from the girls next door because I used to love that show when I was younger.

Like we used to watch it. And now you watch it so different, you're like, that was not entertaining. I was like, damn. That was dark. No, but thank you. It's like she's amazing. I highly shocked. No, but thank you. It's like she's amazing. I highly recommend.

And girls next level, their podcast is so interesting to listen to. Yes, I just wanted to give you guys, I just wanted to chat to you guys out. Thank you. Well, everybody, you need to go listen to Affirmative Murder. I'm telling you, we don't recommend things lightly here.

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