Morbid - Episode 6: Ted Bundy Part 2

Episode Date: June 16, 2018

In Part 2 of our Bundy Bonanza, Ted crescendos with the Chi Omega Murders and finally gets the ending her deserves. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Not...ice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:24 Someone was out of the country. I was. I went on a cruise. And before that, I got to kill our migraine that made it so we couldn't record before I left for the cruise. And I was sad and alone. Yeah. So now you've all just been on the edge of your seats
Starting point is 00:02:40 for like a week and a half, so. How are you guys doing? Yeah. So you ready for part two? Ted Bundy? I feel like I don't know how to podcast anymore. I know we forgot everything. We forgot all of the etiquette that comes along with podcasting. What are we? What's this called? I don't know. Podcasts more than podcast more than crime true. A, um, evil onion. I was trying to think of another band.
Starting point is 00:03:07 I was just like, it's been a long time. Bundi bites. Oh, the new one. Yeah, Bundi bites, like that. Jagged a little bitch. Wow, listen to you. Yeah, like I made you just take a shit out of my memory. Yeah, I got this.
Starting point is 00:03:18 One of us hardy. The other did. Yeah. So it's been, it's been a week. Yeah. So a lot has happened in a week. Yeah. So I went on a cruise. She's more Tisha Adams. I'm, I'm, it was basically more Tisha went on a cruise.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Literally every family picture is just like all these happy people in bright colors, the suits and that only is just in black. I literally wore all black, everything all the time. Because and I and I I went on the cruise, paler than pale and I came back. Paler than pale. The sun did not touch my skin. So there's that. I did it right I think. Yeah. And yeah, but I think Ashley actually has a really interesting story, but I think you all need to hear because now it's in my brain, so you all need to have a new brain. I didn't sleep last night because of this story.
Starting point is 00:04:14 So yeah, I had to go pay a bill in Fall River and I was driving through the free town forest. Like I was like passing signs for it. And if you're not promising, just Google free town for us. A lot of things will come up and you will, it's like a deep dark hole that you will type it to. So anyways, I was driving there and all of a sudden I like hit this kind of like random traffic. And I'm looking ahead and my car is just like in a block of cars and I can see it had that there's no traffic. So I'm confused and I'm just saying like what's going on to myself. So the woman ahead of me
Starting point is 00:04:48 switched lanes and then I'm driving behind this black car and all this metal from the black car is like hitting my car and I'm like what the fuck so I switched lanes because I didn't want to like break my windshield. I'm actually like my heart's starting to race fast. I know this is so fucking scary. So I look next to me, because I'm like, why was all the shit flying at my car? And I see that the front of this car
Starting point is 00:05:14 is like completely smushed, like clearly had just been in an accident. And I made the fucking mistake of looking at the driver, who is a woman holding the wheel at like 10 and 2 with blood pouring down her face like she works at a horror haunted house. That's like American horror story. Literally this scary. And she's like people she's still driving.
Starting point is 00:05:38 She was still driving and she just looked like so out of it. Like I called my girlfriend and I was probably the scariness and I don't get scared easily. And she was probably in shock. She's probably in total shock and just started driving that car after she, like that's horrifying. But then what went through my head was like, why didn't you stop your vehicle?
Starting point is 00:05:56 Like why didn't you want, like, I like thought of like all the worst things. Like why wouldn't you want the cops to pull you in there and like know that you were in an accident? Like what are you in the end? And then I guarantee you she was just in full shock. Yeah. Like, but I literally like I had trouble falling asleep last night because it's all I could see in my head and like right now it's all I can see and it's so scary. Because I'm picturing like that lady from the sixth sense
Starting point is 00:06:18 when she gets hit by the but the bicyclist that gets hit and she's like some lady got hit. She's next to my window and then they show her and she's got like blood streaming down her face. No, and it was just like that scared the crap out of me. And the scariest thing too, it was like such a nice day yesterday. Yeah, I'm so glad I didn't have my window down. I feel like that would have been a really feel like even like 10 times for years. That's such like a like a... Yeah, like there was a contrast. To this such a contrast between like this beautiful sunny day.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Yeah, it was this woman with blood pouring down her face I was driving a beat-up car. But anyways, I called 911 because I was like Good on you. And I felt good about it. But yes, the people that were like taking the call were so confused because It sounded like I had been in the accident. They were like, okay, well, did you get like her registration? I was like, no, no, you see I'm not involved and she's still driving and it happened so fast. I felt bad. I felt like a moron because I didn't get like a license plate and I didn't know what kind of car was. No, but it's good. You didn't fall into the bystander effect thing where you were like, well, someone else will call and I don't need to call because that's when nobody calls and that's
Starting point is 00:07:18 when nothing gets done. Well, and I like spedway the fuck up because I was like, get me away. Oh, I want to get the hell away from it, but I'm glad I had two calls. Because something needed to be, I'm wondering if that's like in the news. We got to look it up. I looked it up and I couldn't find anything. We got him. I don't know. We got to look up a police log or something because that's bananas. Like, I've never, like, the hair on the back of my next to it up.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Like, that's the name. That is spooky. Full of spooky. So it was the scariest. I honestly can say it's the scariest experience I've ever had That's so crazy. Oh, I can't believe you just rolled up on that Like I and I looked away and I just didn't look back again. I was like nope And it's like of course the one time you have to drive in that area like it's not like you drive in that area
Starting point is 00:07:58 I'm not gonna drive there the one time you drive in that area. That's what you roll up in like the three minutes before I was like Free-town state forstrate for us, like spooky, like I personally would never fucking step foot in there. No. And then I was like, oh, of course this happens. Of course. Like, okay. Oh my God, I love it.
Starting point is 00:08:14 It was so scary. So spooky. But Alina has a Christmas story. Spooky story. It's a tell too, which is not spooky. It's just like, oh yeah. Well, mine's not spooky. It's kind of spooky
Starting point is 00:08:25 in a different way, but I don't know, we mentioned a couple times on here like serial killers. I think we did this last week where we were talking about like, even if you get bullied, like, it's not an excuse to kill people obviously and we're saying that I happened to have a bullying experience and I haven't killed anyone. And I don't know if my bullies, because we actually set on here, like they're probably too cool to listen to things
Starting point is 00:08:53 like this and I was joking, but maybe they're not because I come back from my cruise. Now I've gone like maybe like a week and a half off the grid completely. And as just a picture of me mid sentence and I look kind of ridiculous. I'm trying to get a good story for our Instagram page, which everyone should go follow. Go follow that at morbid podcast. So now after a week and a half of being completely off the grid, it was being wonderful. By the way, I recommend everybody to get off the grid. Look for like a week at a half of being completely off the grid, it was being wonderful. By the way, I recommend everybody to get off the grid, but for like a week at a time, because it's amazing. And I turn on my internet and I have a friend, I have a message request in my Facebook.
Starting point is 00:09:35 And the message requests, you know, are like when you're not friends with somebody and they want to message you. Right. So that's always weird. So I open it up and I was not excited and I was definitely not excited when I saw the name Which happened to be the one girl who made my life miserable in high school the one that we mentioned That sent me to an abandoned house when they were pretending that it was a cool party Oh, so I see this and I'm like what like girl? What do you want like I have not heard from this girl since high school.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Like, since this all happened, we were not friends, where like, we aren't those kind of, it was bad enough that like, we're not those kind of adults that are like, let's just pretend we're friends now. Please, no, we're not friends. We don't talk. If I hear you at Shaw's, I will still be you.
Starting point is 00:10:18 No, I hate you. So, I see this and I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, weird. So I open it up and it's this big big long thing about how it's always bothered her, how she treated me in junior high and high school. Yeah, I was having her conscience. Yeah, and that was weighing on her conscience. And she wanted to make sure that I knew that I didn't deserve that.
Starting point is 00:10:39 And she played down everything. Oh, she was minimalized. She minimalized it to say. All she said was that they, she was really sorry that they put these brutal notes into my locker. That was just one small fraction of what they did to me, okay? So I loved my favorite part about it. It felt like she felt like she was bestowing upon me some kind of wonderful gift.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Like telling me. Like telling you free. Yeah, like I'm telling you that you don't deserve this. Really? I really don't. And it's like girl, I may not have known it then when I was super awkward and insecure and you were destroying my soul, but I surely know it now that I didn't deserve it. Can I get an amen?
Starting point is 00:11:20 And one, she that listened to the podcast and decided to reach out because I was very weird. It was weird timing because we brought it up. Was it the last week? It was last week. It was last week. So it's weird that within the week that we mentioned it, she suddenly says that or she's in some kind of 12 step program and I'm one of her steps. You know what? That's step. That step is staying open, honey, because I'm not giving you that forgiveness. And I don't care how that sounds. I mean, this is a girl who literally, her and her friends, this two that I can think of, two other ones. I'm not gonna mention their names because I'm not a petty motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:11:58 But they know who they are. They know who they are. But these girls made my life absolutely miserable. And I know, they're not people I wanted to have in my life as adults and they're not people that I should have had in my life as a kid. So, you know what? To the other two, I'm sure you weren't going to apologize because you're even worse than her, I think. But please don't. But don't. And to her, you're not getting any kind of forgiveness
Starting point is 00:12:24 or any kind of closure for me. Just leave me alone. We're 32. Go away. This is for you and you're not getting it. You feel like you can clear your conscience. Go ahead. But girl, Bob. No, thank you. So that was my little PSA. Just want to let you know. Okay, she were listening. I saw a black face woman and she saw the ghost of a shitty past. So I hope you're listening and if you are, subscribe. I hope the bloody face girl is listening so that she can tell me she's okay and that she thinks.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Actually I hope she's not. That's a little scary. Yeah, that's a little scary. The Angie's List You Know and Trust is now Angie, and we're so much more than just a list. We still connect you with top local pros and show you ratings and reviews, but now, we also let you compare upfront prices on hundreds of projects and book a service instantly. We can even handle the rest of your project from start to finish. So remember, Angie's list is now Angie. And we're here to get your job done right.
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Starting point is 00:15:24 Like, and it was like swollen. My nose was running. Yeah. It was really pleasant. It was like an experience. You're like a two-year-old. I'm super glad. I'm super glad I have kids, guys. Every time I come over, I just dock one more kid off the list. I thought I wanted. Yeah, I think you started with five and now you're at like negative 27. I think we're just about there around there. Yeah, I think you started with five and now you're at like negative 27. I'm glad you were just about there around there. Yeah, yeah, so my kids are good at it so speaking of
Starting point is 00:15:52 Children and wonderful things Ted Bundy, right? Yeah, let's talk about Ted Bundy Well, I know it's been a while and again. We apologize for that. We're just like to leave you right on that. This is so yeah we want to leave you hanging so we can give you a really good one. The last we spoke Ted had a few people in broad daylight from the late Samamish. Right in front of like thousands of people. I mean he was really bold. This is when things were starting to close in on him. And there was a tip line coming that his psychology professor, his girlfriend, and and rule. Oh right, we talked about his girlfriend. And they all were like, yeah I know this guy
Starting point is 00:16:38 and he had to have a bunny and he's kind of a creep in. He creeped me. Because this was called like the Ted murders at this point because he was dumb enough to use his own name. Around this time is when the Taylor Mountain skulls are become a thing. Basically on Taylor Mountain was like at the place where it was kind of like his like, jumping ground essentially. Yeah, it was, it was the place where he kept all the skulls.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Yeah, that's true. His like, and doll up and all that good stuff There were four skulls found here with no other bones and a detective Robert Kepple is like the big guy here He was the lead on this case and he started way back on like the the disappearance of Linda and healy Which was way back? Did he work on other cases? He did sounds wicked familiar. He's definitely on other cases? That name sounds wicked familiar. He's definitely done other cases, and I wish I had them at my disposal right now.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Next time I'll have other cases that he was on, but he's a big name. So it was around this time that Ted had actually left for law school in Utah in August. This was only a month after the double murder event. Like this was like some amish. Right. So his name was on this list of men, obviously, a month after the double murder event. Like this makes me amish. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:45 So his name was on this list of men, of men obviously named Ted, who matched the description, but he skipped town. So when he skipped town, the abductions and murders stopped. That's so weird. I wonder why. I know.
Starting point is 00:17:59 And you know what's weirder? What? They began happening in Utah. Why? I'm in law school. I don't get why? You know what? You know what? Portead is just like bad luck following him.
Starting point is 00:18:09 You know, Porteadi. You know what I'm saying? So, the disappearances and murders that were happening in Utah began with in October, October 2nd, 1974, 16-year-old Nancy Wilcox. She disappeared from holiday Salt Lake City, Utah. Is that his youngest thus far? Thus far. Yes. She was last seen as a passenger in a car
Starting point is 00:18:38 that matches the VW Bug that by the end. He actually admitted to her murder before his execution. He claimed her body was buried in a location about 200 miles south of Salt Lake City, but she's never been recovered. And this seems to happen a lot with him. He comes out with things towards the end.
Starting point is 00:18:58 That's when he started having to come to Jesus moment. But they don't actually come to anything. They weren't finding, because I think he just has like kind of like, well he killed so many people. Yeah, he just has like round about like maybe 200-ish miles outside of him. Right. He doesn't actually know. Um, I keep saying right.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Like right. Right. Right. I'm going to start saying you're not wrong. Right. Another one that came around this time was a victim named Melissa Smith and she was the 17-year-old daughter of the police chief Lewis Smith. That's like a punch in the face.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Sadimized and strangled her and her body was found nine days later. Jesus. He's a fucking asshole. He really was. Next was Laura Ame, who's also 17, so I don't know if he's going to get under this. She disappeared on Halloween and her parents referred to her as a gentle free spirit, which is just a sad. Is that what you would say about me if I wanted to say?
Starting point is 00:19:56 A gentle free spirit that is you. Her remains were found about like a month later on Thanksgiving day on the banks of her. Oh God, a horrible day, you know, not good. To be found in this anywhere. No. He used to visit the Utah Victims' bodies and, you know, take pictures, change the clothes, put makeup on them, do their hair, and he would rape them until they were too putified
Starting point is 00:20:22 to do it anymore. That's so fucking weird. Seems to be his thing. Ew, ew, ew, ew. Yeah, he's a super necrophile, so. In case we haven't really laid into that fact in that before. Oh, so yuck. So this is a really interesting one. This is where the name Carol De Ranch comes in.
Starting point is 00:20:40 She's kind of says she's somebody that might sound familiar. OK. Near Salt Lake City on November 8th, he stalked 18-year-old Carol DeRange who had amazing fucking hair, by the way. Oh! Look her up! I've seen her in that documentary. Her hair is the stuff of legend. Yeah, every time we watch that documentary, we're like look at Duck Girls hair! It just it like gives if I feel things about her hair. I just love her hair. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:06 So he, do you like her hair? It's all right. Oh, okay. I just want to make sure. Yeah, it's all right. I don't know if I mentioned it. But he stalked her. Now, she was only 18 years old.
Starting point is 00:21:16 He stalked her at the fashion place, mall, in Murray, Utah. Oh, I know this, I know this. He wrote down her license plate number and he waited for her to leave the store. As she left, he approached her and he pretended to be a cop to name officer Roseland. And he told her that someone had been trying to break into her car and he said that she needed a fill out of police report and he politely offered to take her to the police department.
Starting point is 00:21:42 She luckily she smartly asked for some ID right because she was like, yeah, okay. This motherfucker actually produced a police badge. He just like made one, like, what the fuck? Her instincts were to not go with him, but she went with him anyways. Because he said he was a cop. I mean, he had, he pulled out all the stops.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Papa always told me even when I was like, like before I could drive that, if a cop, a cop like was pulling you over and like you Were in an area that you didn't know to drive to the nearest police station. Yeah, he always said drive to the next police station And you can do that so everybody do that. Yeah, if you feel sketchy, don't pull over Because over in the next how many people like you hear about them posing as cops? That's a thing. So you're you're perfectly within your rights to drive to the next police station. What makes a person a murderer?
Starting point is 00:22:28 Are they born to kill? Or are they made to kill? I'm Candace DeLong, and on my podcast, Killer Psychie Daily, which you can find exclusively on Amazon Music, I share a quick 10-minute rundown every weekday on the motivations and behaviors of the criminal masterminds you read about in the news. I have decades of experience as a psychiatric nurse, FBI agent, and a criminal profiler. On Killer Psychie Daily, I'll give you my expert perspective on cases like the mysterious
Starting point is 00:22:59 New York City drugings, Breaking Down Lori Valow, a.k.a. Mommy Doom stays motives, and what drove Caitlyn Armstrong to murder? I'll also bring on expert guests who add even more insight into these criminal minds. I promise you won't regret adding these 10 minutes to your morning routine. Hey Prime members, listen to the Amazon Music exclusive podcast Killer Psychie Daily in the Amazon Music app. Download the app today. Um, so she was weirded out about him having like a VW bug as a car. And she was like with a missing passenger ski.
Starting point is 00:23:34 And he claimed that he was undercover. So the missing passenger seat like what? So well, at this point he had the passenger seat because he could put it back in when he wanted to. Oh, so he had put it in. when he had the pass and he said he could put it back in when he wanted to. So he had put it in. So once they start driving she soon realizes they're not driving to the police station and she begins to get visibly upset. He pulls over and attempts to handcuff her because her upset was not part of the plan. She fights him like a motherfucker so much so that he ends up putting
Starting point is 00:24:03 the cuffs on the same wrist. Uh huh. So she jumps out of the car and runs away. I'd be like, peace the fuck out. She got away. Yeah. He didn't go after. She got away.
Starting point is 00:24:15 So undeterred. He drove 19 miles away to Viumont High School. This is the same night. Same like he drove immediately 19 miles away. He just like had to get somebody. A theater production was just letting out and he was, he was, he was seen by certain people pacing in the parking lot. He was obviously like super like hopped up and like nervous. He kept approaching people with the police officer tail that he was spinning and the vehicle thing. And at some point, he was able to lure Debra Jean Kent, who was only 17 years old. He abducted her and she was never
Starting point is 00:24:51 seen again. What they did find was the key to Carol's handcuffs that he had dropped in the parking lot. So they were able to connect him to this. Wow. So yeah, so this connected him with the abduction a murder of dumb. Don't move. Yeah, he was starting to lose it Get sloppy. Yeah, he's really getting so Carol Worked with the police and she told them everything she cut about him. She during this time. It was 1975. He drove out to Colorado now In Colorado five more women were murdered. So he had dropped out of law school now, and this was about nine months after Carol DeRange got away.
Starting point is 00:25:32 And she had worked with police, so they had this guy's description, they had everything going on. During this time, on January 12, 1975, in Aspen, Colorado, Carol and Eileen Campbell, who was 23. She was a nurse from Michigan. She had been vacationing with her fiance and his two children.
Starting point is 00:25:52 When she disappeared from the hotel they were staying at. Oh, her body was found in a snow bank on Owl Creek Road Aspen on February 18th. And she was nude and likely had been raped. Oh God. The next one was March 15th, 1975. You're just like, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. I know, I know, it's so sad. I'm like, body, body, body. So this one was a couple months later.
Starting point is 00:26:16 It was in Ville, Colorado. Her name was Julie Cunningham. She was 26. She was a part-time ski instructor. Like I said, he liked to ski. That was this thing. Oh, I forgot you said that. He's already gone after somebody that had like connections to skiing, because Linda and Healey, one of his first victims, announced the weather reports, like those say reports. Oh! Okay. Yeah, so that's just kind of like a weird little, well, connection there. Connection, yeah. Like I think he's obviously staying within his, his warold here. Yeah. So she cunning him, Julie cunning him, had agreed to meet her roommate at a bar the night of
Starting point is 00:26:54 March 15th, 1975. She never arrived there. Stop it. Her body was never found, but this was another one that Bundy confessed to her murder right before his execution. Oh, when he started clearing his goddamn conscience. Because that's what assholes do. They clear their own conscience.
Starting point is 00:27:11 But for anybody else's benefit, they just clear their own conscience. You're still dicks. You're still a douchehead. The next one was a month later, April 6, 1975, in Grand Junction, Colorado. Her name was Denise Lynn Oliverson. It was a... she had had a kind of an argument with her husband. She took her push bike and made her way to her parents' house. That's a push bike. I don't know. I was waiting for you to be like, you don't know what a push bike is.
Starting point is 00:27:43 As soon as I said it, I was like, I don't know what this is. So how bad she doesn't ask me, but you're she is asking me. But it's a method of transport. Okay. In tears on the... Her push bike, you know, I don't know. Push in the bike. Push in the bike.
Starting point is 00:27:57 She tried to make her way to her parents house. Bundy got her before she got her. That's so sad that the last thing she did was I was having a husband with her. I would never ever leave the house angry. Like, not that I'm saying she's doing it. Oh my God, no, she didn't. But guys, never leave the house angry. It's not worth it.
Starting point is 00:28:14 You don't know if a Bundy's will leave the house angry. I just can't do it. No. So her husband reported her missing after he contacted her parents and they were like, yeah, she never came here. Oh, I'm glad. Bundy claimed that he had thrown her body into the Colorado River a few miles from where her bike and sandals were found, but she's never been recovered. So this is another one that
Starting point is 00:28:37 he's like, oh yeah, I did it and it's kind of around here, but he doesn't have any real information. Because they don't mean anything to him. Which is so shitty. And he throws him away trash, it's awful. So a month later, so he's like really banging them out. A month, month, month. May 6, 1975, in Pocatello, Idaho. Her name is Lynette Don Culver. She was 12 years old. What?
Starting point is 00:29:03 Yes. He abducted her from school. and according to his own confessions He discarded her body into the snake river her body has never been found a 12-year-old Yeah, so he's really I mean God. Yeah, because a lot of people you know I think a lot of people don't realize like the depth of his I think a lot of people don't realize like the depth of his just despicable behavior. Like they know that he's a bad guy and that he murdered me.
Starting point is 00:29:31 But they don't realize how many first of all, and that's like he didn't care how old they were. And that he was going for 12 year olds, 15 year olds, 17 year olds. Like, not that he got a good woman or a better, but it's like 12 year olds like that's a child So yeah, you're like seventh green like what Despicable behavior. I love when you said I like that word
Starting point is 00:29:54 Ted bunny is he is just a display is despicable behavior. He really does like no dinner Ted. Yeah, no dinner for you Test you've shown no Despicable behavior today Ted taking away your phone. So, wow. So, one month later. We, one month later. One month later.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Another month. Another month. Okay, so every month. He's really turned to this whole year. Making sure I follow. On June 28, 1975. My grandma's breathing. I was just gonna say, let's connect this to our family again.
Starting point is 00:30:27 We love to do that. Cramon! Yay! In provo you? She'd be pissed if she said that. I thought she would not be pleased for us. Right, love you mom. In provo, Utah.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Susan Curtis, 15 years old. Again, disappeared from Brigham Young University. She disappeared. She disappeared. Sheam Young University. She disappeared. She disappeared. She did not disappear. She disappeared. What's the difference? Disappearing, I think, is different.
Starting point is 00:30:52 It's just different. Oh, okay. It's a little complex. She wouldn't understand. Because I'm tired. Because I got poked in the eye today. Okay. It's been a long week.
Starting point is 00:31:02 And it's only Wednesday. I got poked in the eye. At least I't disappear my kids bully man she's not she was really upset about it actually and she was holding the eyes on your eye she was and I told her I did it I mama poked herself in the eye I was like mama did it mama did it it's okay oh she's cute and innocent. Dr. Serial murders. So back to Bundy. Uh, she disappeared. Yeah. For bringing me up into the dressing room. She disappeared.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Call it. Again, Bundy claimed to have buried her body about 75 miles away. But wait, did they ever find her? But she's never been found shit. Yeah. This guy's a dick. This is what I kind of think. I think that Fucker Bundy here.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Fucker Bundy. Right before his execution, he knew he had nothing to lose. And I think he just started like, just lying. I think he did kill, obviously abducting Kelly's people, but I think he started like sending people and... Oh, just for like the fun of it. I don't know, like 75 miles away. I think he was just picked a random spot. Yeah. And he was like, yeah, go dig there.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Like, ha ha, idiots. Yeah, it's like you're the worst. But like, seriously. So now this is a lot of people, though, there's been a lot of like misconception about how Ted Bunny got caught the time around. Yeah, like one because he made a couple of escapes from prison. Like he's, he's a slippery guy. Which is wild. He's a real slippery. a couple of escapes from prison. Like he's a slippery guy. Which is wild. He's a real slippery. This is what happened.
Starting point is 00:32:27 In August 16th, 1975, so only two months later, after this last one. In a suburb of Salt Lake City, officer Haywood will shout him out, man. Hi, hi, hi. Was at the end of his shift. And now he, this is a small town So he knows he knows the goings on. He's at the end of his shift
Starting point is 00:32:50 He sees a VW bug pass him more than once. Oh He's kind of like I don't recognize that car I haven't seen it around town that's weird and that it's like coming back and forth So he kind of just like took notice of it. Like that's good police work. So attention to detail. He realizes that this is a weird occurrence. And he also remembers that there are nearby in a house. He knows, because again, small town, that there are two teenage girls at the moment in a house because their parents are on vacation. Like he just knows that because of round town. He was just, you know.
Starting point is 00:33:27 So by the looks of this whole thing to him, he was like, is this guy casing that house? You know, like it just like he was just thinking like a police officer. That's so spooky. So he approached the vehicle and tried to stop it, but Ted wouldn't stop. There was a bit of a car chase and eventually he pulled
Starting point is 00:33:46 over. When he pulled him over, he would notice that there is no front seat in the bug and that the handle is missing on the passenger side. That's too late. That's too late. That's too late. That's too late. So he starts questioning about what the hell he's doing and Ted gives his information and said he was in town to see the movie towering in Ferno.
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Starting point is 00:35:14 Can even pick the right movie come on man. Oh, so Yeah, so he knows he's lying. He's like you're a lying son of bitch And you have a weird ass car with no fucking And you're not getting those girls down with the handle like, you're a lining son of bitch, and you have a weird ass car with no fucking passengers. And you're not getting those girls stranded. And you're in the middle, like fuck you. So he's like, you know what? I think I have probable cause to look in your car. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Because shit's going to be worth right now. Where's your fucking passengers being? When he looks in the car, he has a legitimate murder kit in this car. Oh, tell us about that. I'm going to post a photo of this murder kit on the Instagram because it's terrifying Yeah, in this murder kit there was a ski mask a nylon pantyhose mask Handcuffs handcuffs gloves a crowbar an ice pick rope
Starting point is 00:36:01 trash bags and tape and So there was that That's what was in the life. Wow. He's immediately arrested. Why? I think they were just going on like a hunch here. Wait, but for real, can you imagine being in the police, the policeman that finds that or police woman? And they're like, I just found a mother, like I just like had a feeling, like you must feel on top of the world. Exactly, like it in, I guess Ted was also dressed in like all black, so he just looks like a fucking cat burglar.
Starting point is 00:36:34 I mean, I wear all black all the time. But like, but when you dress like, because I dress all in black a lot too, to be look like a cat burglar, we don't have murder kits, or at least I don't. I'm not gonna speak for that. I don't have a murder kit. I have a mannequin head in the back of my sea. I don't have murder kits. Or at least I don't. I'm not gonna speak for you. I don't have a murder kit. I have a mannequin head in the back of my seat.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I don't know that. And I feel like if I got pulled over, I remember one time I brought my card to the mechanic and he like asked me about it. And he's like, what's happening? And then he was like, oh, I thought you might have been in hair school. And I was like, I was like,
Starting point is 00:36:59 I just collect mannequin hats. I just like mannequins a lot. I love them. They're my friends. And he's like, this is free. Please take your car away. I'm gonna be great. I love them, they're my friends. And he's like, this is free please. Take your car away. I'd be great.
Starting point is 00:37:08 I'll try that next time if it's free. It's just that we're weird. Data creep can get you some free stuff. It's what I want to deal with you. Trust me. Only do it, no. Trust me, I know this. So, it gets arrested.
Starting point is 00:37:21 He's arrested, obviously, because there's plenty of probable cause. Makes sense. And at this point obviously, because there's probably a problem with us. Makes sense. And at this point, they decide to set up a lineup because they're like, wait a second. Oh, they have that carol. We have carol here, exactly. So we're like, we have carol with great hair.
Starting point is 00:37:37 You know, Becky with the good hair. We have carol with the good hair. Yeah. Yeah. She can look at this lineup and she can tell us if he's got any funny business going on. Oh, he has so much funny business. She picked out Ted. He made it. She was like, hey there, motherfucker. Remember when you tried to murder my ass? Seriously. Not in this
Starting point is 00:37:55 zone. This time, a photo of this lineup. And it's actually, I find it funny because Ted looks like a super dork. Like his pants are pulled up real high. Yeah, it's just a weird picture. I'm like, yeah, that's not a flattering one. Thanks. But so she picked him out, he's arrested. And this is the moment when police from all the other states start connecting the dots. She is.
Starting point is 00:38:19 They interview Liz and his girlfriend at the time. Right, yeah. I don't know if they were like, they were, they were in that weird, like we're together, not together thing. Who the fuck is? Liz was making me. I think you might be a murderer and I have a child.
Starting point is 00:38:30 So let's take a break. Liz, let's talk about it. So she reveals, yeah, he has weird shit here. He has a hatchet under his car seat all the time. He has a set of crutches that he's never needed. And he has plaster of Paris, which he makes fake casts with. Why wasn't she like you got a go buddy? She was probably afraid. This was one of those things I'm
Starting point is 00:38:53 assuming were one she was probably afraid and she didn't want to put it together and also he was good looking. Sometimes you let shit go when people are looking. It's just like unfortunately that's just the way of the world. That's true. We've all let something go with somebody who's like really good looking. I'm just going to forget that. I know. TVTN and I dated boys and that happened. I mean, we've all done that.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, they were like, yeah, that's really suspicious. Yeah. Especially because all of these women that they talked to He they know that he he approached them with fake casts and fakey. Yeah, so that's a huge thing So it's often alarmed somewhere. He sent to Utah State Prison And police mainly detective Jerry Thompson
Starting point is 00:39:42 Start putting together a connection from the Aspen Colorado incidents where in 1977 he's so he sent to Utah State Prison for the time being this is when the police mainly detective Jerry Thompson shout out to Jerry Thompson. Jerry! Start putting together connections from Aspen, Colorado, where in 1977 now he's extradited to face a murder charge for the death of a woman called named Karen Campbell. They originally didn't connect him to. Oh, okay. That's what it was. Got it.
Starting point is 00:40:18 So they searched his apartment because they can do that now and they find some creepy shit. Of course. Like they find a brochure from the high school play where Deborah Kent was taken from. He cut it as like a true after Carol Durant. Yeah. Like he clearly kept doing. Do you think he watched the play? I wonder. That would be interesting to now. Yeah. I wonder and who knows. I like if she was in the play like was he was like I'm a kill that one to the theater Was he a man of The theater a fest be in I don't know
Starting point is 00:40:52 But that would be weird. Yeah, right like who knows maybe he did or I think he might have I mean just wait in the It's true, but it's true though. How else would he have the brochure if he didn't like go in? He must have gone it. So that's interesting. Yeah. It's an interesting little tip. I would bet that he watched. I'm gonna bet it's a play. He watched the play.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Tett, here he is. You watched the fucking play, Tett. You heard it here first. He would watch that play. He would watch that play. That happened. In case anyone was wondering. Just in case.
Starting point is 00:41:21 It happened. It happened. We're sure of it, done. So they found that, but they failed to find a stash of Polaroids that he has of all of his victims after death in a lock box. They just didn't find it. I would not even want to find that. Imagine being the poor son of a bitch that stumbles across that. This son was upon that shit. No.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Those polarids are probably like, photos of him putting makeup on these things. Like they're all made up and shit. Like that's awful and spooky. Yeah, that's spooky. It's kind of making me think of the Tom Petty video for last year's emergency. That's exactly where I thought it was.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Oh my God, I love that you thought that. Yeah, I thought it. I immediately thought of that. Right? Like propping last dance. Oh my god, I love that you thought that. Yeah, I thought it. I immediately thought of that. Right? Like, propping her up. Yeah, because I never learned to be open. He did that. R-A-P-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T with us now. Don't worry about it. Tom Petty's here with us. Oh yeah. Doesn't that make you feel
Starting point is 00:42:25 overwhelmed with sadness? No, because then I start thinking about Anthony Bourdain, which too soon. Too soon. Like I was a big fan of Anthony Bourdain and I'm really sad about his story. A lot of people are. I will totally talk about it probably in the next podcast, but I think it's too soon. And Kate's been. Don't forget her. Yes. She might be great. I was going to be great. She made great things.
Starting point is 00:42:50 But I think she's bright colors everywhere. It goes to show you that you can have it all and you can have all the money and all the things and all the recognition and sometimes it its demons are too hard to overcome. That makes the real bummer. So that's a real bummer. So anyways, let's lighten the mood to some more. It looks like the mood was more killing. So they didn't find the polaroids in the lock box.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Idiots. But. Yeah, they so so they found a map and it had an X on the resort with that this can Campbellhead state. They also found credit card receipts that put him there while she was there. He's a ding. They also found her hair in his car. Oh, she's it. So there was just I mean, I don't know why I just said she's oh, she is it. Yeah, so they found so they found more than enough to connect him. We found all the things to connect him.
Starting point is 00:43:48 So, after he spent about a year in prison at this point, and Ted decided to act as his own attorney, because again, he had gone to law school. He's a smart guy, he's a charismatic guy, he's good at this shit, so he decided to do it. And he liked the attention because he's dick. So during court, he demanded. Whoa. Again, Ashley.
Starting point is 00:44:12 Wow, I just got murdered by a recliner. Goodbye. I'm gonna take no more. Did you hear that? I made a weird, I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh. That was like a fat kid scare. Wow, I'll leave. Whoa, whoa. Oh, that was like a fat kid scare. Wow, I'll leave. Oh, oh, I was like, two by point. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That was wonderful.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Oh, God. So, it's been a days' lawyer. So, yeah, he's acting. He's acting as a son of a... This little diva defends to be treated differently because he's acting in his own defense. He demand, he says he doesn't want to be shackled because he needs, he needs to study. So he doesn't need to be shackled. He's an attorney.
Starting point is 00:44:55 Okay. Guys, what does this mean? So, you know, he's a lost student. He doesn't need to be shackled like some common criminal. Nice. Let's stop. So this charming asshole
Starting point is 00:45:10 convinces guards to let him study in the law library during a court recess. So the law bar at library is like on the second floor of the court. Right. So during this during a recess he's like, I gotta go up there and I gotta study up because lawyers do that. Yeah. To the law library to like look shit up. And they were like, so he's alone for like 60 seconds and he manages to jump out of the open second story window and escapes into the Aspen wilderness. Damn. It was a big jump. Somehow he didn't break his leg or foot but he actually like hurt himself. Yeah, but he didn't break anything. Wow. He ends up living in the fucking Aspen wilderness. He lived in the woods literally. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:45:53 For six days. Oh, but he stole food. He stole food. He like ravaged cabins when people were out of it. Like he actually lived in the wilderness for six days. She says, this motherfucker. And six days later, he stole a car and was stopped for driving erratically. He was clumped down. Like, you need to chill. Like, you need to chill. Take a minute.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Yeah, like take a minute. Think about your behavior. Yeah. Like he shouldn't really do that. What was the behavior he said? It was despicable. Think about your despicable behavior Ted drive a little slower but relax calm down calm down Ted
Starting point is 00:46:31 So he was stopped for driving erratically and he was arrested again and he was put in another Perison in Colorado so how many days was it and his full six days later? So we only escaped for six days though when and again maybe I'll post this photo too because it's hilarious. He looked like a damn mountain man after six days. Wow. He looked like he was the old man of the mountain. He was a huge 40 years old. I was like relaxed.
Starting point is 00:46:58 It was like a quick presidency. He was too preppy for the mountain life. Oh, of course. So, seven months later, he's 31 years old at this point. So, he's like my age. Oh, you know. I'm a spring child. At this point, he manages to acquire a hacksaw blade from another inmate.
Starting point is 00:47:19 You know, as one does. Wow. He also managed to acquire over $500 because it was sent to him from from pen pals and groupies that he had already started to collect. Prison is wild in wild. He took these things and he saw he saw a tiny hole in the corner of his cell ceiling. He had, you know, this was a tiny asshole because he made it like, no, I've seen the picture of it. Very known. It had to be subtle. So no one saw it. He lost 30 fucking pounds to fit in this hole. Like he went on like, wow, he lost
Starting point is 00:47:54 30 pounds for this. He actually waited for the holiday break for this escape because he knew there would be less guards on duty. he did dry rounds of this escape for weeks before. The fuck? So he shamed his ass into that little hole and went in through the pipes many times. How did nobody notice that? Oh, people did. Inmates heard him crawling around and reported it
Starting point is 00:48:19 and were like, yo, I think there's someone crawling around in the fucking ceiling. They were ignored. Meanwhile, they were being truthful. They were like, wow. Bundy. What about your snitches? So on New Year's Eve That's like bad news. No one was gonna be there Not the story is like happy new year bitch I'll through the hole and ended up coming out in the head jailers apartment. No The head jailer was not there. It was unoccupied because he was out for the night
Starting point is 00:48:48 because it was New Year's Eve. Oh my God. He put on some of the jailer's street clothes and walked out the front door. What the fuck? No joke just walked out the front door. No joke just walked out the front door. He was like, bah.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Because there were not a lot of guards on duty, his absence wasn't discovered until the next fucking day. Wow. Giving him ample time. Like two hours and hours. So he went to Chicago first. Did he get some Chinese food first? Likely. Likely. That is a new year's activity. He immediately went and got Chinese food. He takes a train to Michigan. Then he stole a car in Michigan to go to the Atlanta area where he took
Starting point is 00:49:25 a bus to Florida. He's like, y'all, I'm not made for prison life. He's not made for mountain life. No, he's like, y'all, I'm going to take buses and trains now and I'm not going to live in the mountains. So when he got to Florida, he made his way to Tallahassee. Tallahassee. Tallahassee. So is this for that So is this where that fraternity shit goes down? This is where he planned. He actually planned to just fucking retire. Did he? Just be 31. Just be a normal guy now. He was planning on just like being an asshole. Do you think he would have been able to do that? No. To get away with it? And he clearly wasn't. Well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:02 But if he had stopped killing, do you think he would have gotten away with it somehow? I think the problem here, I wonder. I know. I don't think he would have it. I'm sorry. Because the problem here was he wanted to get legitimate employment and just be a legit dude. Could he have just changed his name?
Starting point is 00:50:20 But he couldn't because he didn't have an ID. Because he was using an aliased and he was using an alien. He was a fucking pretty. You know how pretty it's like pretty easy to get a fake. I need them. I know, but like you don't know that. But when it comes to like, but like, like a social security number, yeah, if you can't get that shit, like you can get it to go have a beer somewhere. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:37 Like he needed a legitimate employment. And he wouldn't, he wasn't able to get it. True. So this is where he just went bonkers. And then us. Which I feel like Florida will do to you. Yeah. Like no offense Florida, but I feel like there's just
Starting point is 00:50:55 something in the water there. Yeah. So he moves into a boarding house because that's really all he can handle. And he moves into a boarding house on the Florida State University campus. What's a boarding house on the Florida State University campus. What's a boarding house again? It's kind of just like, it's kind of like one
Starting point is 00:51:09 like a shitty one in a apartment. It's just like you're living with a bunch of roommates. Okay. He poses as a grad student because he's 31, he can be a grads, and he's a young looking guy. Yeah. He could do that. He poses as a grad student on the Florida State University
Starting point is 00:51:24 campus named Chris Hagen Wow, which is almost Chris Hayden, which is Rory Gilmour's father and Kilmour girl. Bye now. Bye now. This is one of my point that out. He attends lectures because you can do that shit. You can just jump into lectures. He's like, on board, let's do it.
Starting point is 00:51:40 And he just pretends to be this. So, this is where the Kyle Mega murder happened. Oh my god. The Kyle Mega murders are things of legend. Should we end it here? Should we keep going? I think we should just keep going. I think so too. I just want to just hear the listeners. I think you guys have earned it. You guys were on good behavior. But you guys have totally earned it because we've made you wait long enough. I was just like, I wanted them to be on the edge of their seats. I know and I didn't give you that.
Starting point is 00:52:10 You didn't give it to me and I'm gonna murder something really eyeballed it's okay. Sorry, I'm just kidding. Okay. So it's happy. And slap happy. So. That's what you say when you're really tired, right? Yeah, slap happy.
Starting point is 00:52:26 I like punch drunk. You know when you say like the wrong thing and it's not at all what that means. And you're like that's not that bad at all. I hope I don't. Okay. I like my slap. I'm punch drunk. You're slap happy.
Starting point is 00:52:38 You're punch drunk. You're fancy free. You're a high up. You're a high up. You're a high up. And my eye feels better. So I feel like things are looking up better. It looks better. It does look right? Okay, I feel like it looks like wrinkled button. Yeah, you don't have wrinkles No, it's like from like it's because it was swollen and you can finally got it to be unswollen
Starting point is 00:52:54 Yeah, this is an experience guys. Yeah, I can't really beat me up to you. Wow So sorry here we are at January 15th 1978 Wow, that's a lick. It was a lot. So, sorry. Here we are, January 15, 1978. Ted decides to go to a club with a disco tech. Shut the fuck up. He goes clubbing. He's like, I feel that. I get you ten
Starting point is 00:53:30 We're painting a real picture here for you. That's what we're about. We're about painting pictures. Yes We're getting you in the mood here. What's that guy's name? We're okay. The paint the happy trees guy. Oh Bob Ross. Yeah, we're like his descendants happy trees and happy base drops. So January 4th, he's clubbing. So January 15th. 15th, he's clubbing. 1978. He is clubbing. He's clubbing.
Starting point is 00:53:52 And he's trying to pick up on college girls and he's being ski-be about it like these college girls are smart and they're like, no. And now like you're kind of creepy because again he's 31. Right. Like chill. No 31 year old needs to be walking in and trying to pick up 18 year olds. Probably not.
Starting point is 00:54:13 So and he was probably creepy about it because he's creepy. Yeah. So these girls were like nah they weren't having it. That really pissed him off. He's angry. Because he obviously went into this night wanting to pick up a chick wasn't happening. They were and he was not used to not being able to get whoever he wanted. Yeah. He started to get a little, you know, a rougher on the edges and low-eminar. Starting to get a little rougher on the edges.
Starting point is 00:54:36 I mean physically. I'm just kidding. So like women are starting to be like, nah, it's okay. I'm good. He's like, yeah, this isn't okay. So at this point, he's, you know, he's addicted to this stuff. Oh, absolutely. After that 400 murders. Six. When he went into this night, wanting a fix, is gonna piss him off. He's having withdrawals.
Starting point is 00:54:56 So next door to this place is the Chai Omega sorority house. He had gone there earlier, and he had noticed that there was an unlocked door. So he knew it was there already. Oh, so he skulled it out. He did scope it out, but we don't know if he went to other places and tried to unlock doors and he just noticed that this was one of them. We don't know. I mean, it makes sense that he would go to a sorority house because there's a lot of, you know, usually attractive younger women. Right. That's his thing. you know, usually attractive younger women. Right. That's his thing. So, he knew that, he knew there was an unlocked door,
Starting point is 00:55:29 he was pissed off, he was wearing a go, he waited until all of them were asleep. Stop it. He picked up a log on the ground. Oh my god. A fucking log. He used nature. And he went into the house and went fucking insane. I mean, this is frenzied as fuck. That's so scary. This whole thing happened, I think it happened within like 15 minutes. So 21-year-old Margaret Elizabeth Bowman was the first
Starting point is 00:55:58 one to get it. Her skull was caved in while she slept. And he took a nylon stocking and wrapped it around her throat. And he had pulled it with such force that it nearly broke her neck. Oh my God! So he was obviously... A nylon stocking almost broke her neck. Yeah, he had pulled it so hard that it almost broke her neck. Jesus! The next was 20-year-old Lisa Levy.
Starting point is 00:56:23 When police arrived, they found Lisa in her room. Her roommate was away. She was still alive, but with no pulse. Unfortunately, she passed away before she made it to the hospital. Now it's off her. Her nipple had almost been torn off. Her collarbone was broken and she had been strangled. Also, a hairspray bottle had been forced inside of her. No. A bite mark that Bundy left on her buttic helped police convict him.
Starting point is 00:56:52 The fuck he better butt? He bit her buttic and the the he left a very like intense and he was so angry. And he had pretty like when you look at a picture of his teeth He had like a chippin his tooth like he had pretty like Define a bultie. Yeah, and they took a dental malode at the mold at the trial later and they were able to match it Perfectly to him. Oh my god. Oh my god. And there's a weird again. There's so many pictures from the side of the gun There's a picture of him looking at the dental molds and he's like fascinated by it. It's just like a really spooky photo. But yeah it's awful and like he broke her collarbone. Again like I'm a not-topsy technician as we said and we use basically hedge clippers to cut yeah we got to take a lot of them. And cutting know, and when you get to the collarbone it takes brute force to break that collarbone with like
Starting point is 00:57:48 Fulon long handled hedge click. Oh, I'm ripping somebody's nipple off. What? He broke her collarbone just by brute force. He almost Bananas to me. Yeah, like that's terrifying and yeah, it's awful. So That's terrifying. And yeah, it's awful. So the next one was 21-year-old Karen Chandler. She's a survivor. She, so, Bundy mercilessly beat her. After he fled the scene, she appeared in the hallway, just delirious.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Oh my god. They found her just delirious in the hallway. He had fractured her skull, broken her jaw, and she had multiple teeth were missing. She's, he took her teeth out. Like he beat her so hard. Oh, they fell out. I'm such an idiot. I'm like he extracted her teeth like a dentist. So goodbye. I understand. I like it. So the next one was 21-year-old Kathy Cliner. After Karen, who survived, had staggered into the hallway. Kathy was found sat up in her bed with multiple lacerations to her face and head.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Her jaw had been broken in several places. Oh, God. She survived, but she would never remember the attack, and she had been fast asleep when it happened, but she survived. And she survived with obviously, I mean, life change. Life change. I mean, she was, she clearly, and to this day, she doesn't remember it. That's good.
Starting point is 00:59:22 Goodness, yeah. So after this whole thing, he leaves with the log in his hand. So he leaves with the log in his hand covered in blood. And during this time, a woman returning to the sorority house saw him with the log in his hand. Saw him like as she was just walking in the door. Another guy saw him still holding the log down the street. So he was clearly in like just, he was like, he gave him totally, like, removed. He then doesn't leave.
Starting point is 00:59:55 He's just like still at the scene. Instead, he breaks into another woman's home right nearby. After this. Why did he still going? 21 year old Cheryl Thomas was eight blocks away. He entered her basement apartment where he found her in her room. He woke up all of her neighbors with the violence he inflicted on her. Oh my god, like the screaming is like banging.
Starting point is 01:00:18 Yeah, that was just like insane. They said the thumps of him smashing her head was heard throughout the house and a neighbor banged on the wall Like what the fuck's going on? Yeah, she suffered serious head wounds including multiple skull fractures a broken jaw and her shoulder was Dislipid. Oh my god. He didn't masturbate it on her bed. Oh, amazingly she survived. What? Yeah Though she had life changing injuries including permanent hearing loss in one ear and cranial nerve damage that forever affected and will affect her equilibrium. Oh my god. So, I mean that'll give her like vertigo forever. I'm not like my husband changes her whole life. And when he gets it every once in a while it like they're out totally just
Starting point is 01:01:05 disrupts your life and she was a dancer and this is completely under his literally ruined life yeah and she's just sleeping in her room oh my god yeah so that night people who spoke to him when he arrived back at the boarding house because then he just went back to the boarding house. They said he was covered in blood? Well, I guess maybe he cleaned out a bit of something. But they said he was literally insane. Like they said it was like speaking to a beast. Like he was unhinged.
Starting point is 01:01:34 That's so scary. And they said he wasn't even on like planet earth. Like he was a space cadet. So he was clearly in like a just murderous trend. That's so scary. So now we come to, I mean that's basically his crescendo and this is where he ends it. So that was on January 15th, on February 9th, the same year, 12-year-old Kimberly Leach was in her PE lesson at school. When she asked her teacher if she could get her purse
Starting point is 01:02:08 from wherever she forgot it at the last class, I think she was at. So she was retrieving her purse and she was spotted being led away from the school grounds by an I rate man. Nobody reported anything, thinking that was probably her father, but once her actual father became aware that she hadn't attended the rest of her classes that day,
Starting point is 01:02:31 and he said he had not removed him from school. That was not him. Police recalls. A lengthy search concluded in two months later, her body was discovered in a pig pen. 40 miles out of the side of the gun. Oh my God. She had been sexually assaulted and strangled. It was dead body. That was his last victim. Now, the night of the Chai Omega murders, he had come in contact with a lot of people. They all identified him.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Right. So he was arrested. Well, and there were survivors. Yeah. And he was arrested again. And he decided to act as his own attorney again. And this is, I mean, the trial is bananas. So, and there's one like specific video that you can see online and again, I'm gonna post so much shit on it.
Starting point is 01:03:17 He just looks fucking crazy. That you can see like a lot of these survivors talk about because a lot of them had to be you know They had to test a guy. I'll they had to sit in front of him like Carol Durantch had to sit in front of him I mean like and after everything they've gone through he was still trying to manipulate the situation to be the one Oh my god, wait and he was cross interviewing or exactly what is that called cross them. And so he was talking to them. Exactly. And some of these women, I saw on one documentary that some of the survivors of the Chai Omega house massacre said that they had to sit across from him at a table while he asked them questions. Yeah. And so one woman, and I can't remember who it is, but I'm going to post who it is when
Starting point is 01:04:06 I find out because she deserves to be named here because she was bad ass. Right. She was one of the women, the sorority sisters. She said she refused to give him what he wanted because he was trying to relive that night because he was trying to give me her described things and she wouldn't. She would only give him what, yes or no answers, just really. And she says in the stocking rendering, he was being very common collected,
Starting point is 01:04:30 and I'm an attorney, and I'm very ahead of everything. And then all of a sudden, when he got aggravated, that she wasn't giving anything to him, he slammed his fist on the table, and was like, you'll have to fucking answer me, like flipped out. And she looked at him, and she was like, that's the monster like
Starting point is 01:04:46 the monster is right she's got chills yeah and she was like and he can't control it like it comes out like he totally lost his shit and she was like and I loved watching him lose his shit it's crazy that they like let him do that because he was so close to them and I don't I feel like they wouldn't allow that now I know it's it's one of those things that it's like they can act as their own attorney But I feel like you would have to at least be in shackles. Yeah, I mean I think he could have been a task in shackles at this time But but there's also a little video of him Being led away while in it was while he was acting as his own attorney. So he's trying he's in the suit He's not like in prison gear.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Right. And I believe he's holding like folders or something. Oh yeah. And they're leading him away. And he's aggravated. You can tell, but he's composing himself. And one of the guards grabs his arm like a prisoner. Basically, and he whips his arm away, and you can see this fucking fury on his face and like you can just see it switch like he's a monster like he's like you know charming good looking Ted for a second like la la la and then all of a sudden when he doesn't like something that's going like he flips in for a second you just see like that's what those girls saw that's so it's really scary like you just see what those girls saw and you're like that is awful to put nightmares or made up. Because everything he presents to everybody is this really put together guy.
Starting point is 01:06:11 And his interviews he's very good at. And having him not like, like flipped out and lost his cool like that. I bet a lot of people like not everybody, but. What would be hard to envision. Right. Because it's hard to envision this guy. So good for that girl for getting him angry. Oh, I'm glad she got him fucked up.
Starting point is 01:06:26 And then Carol DeRange said it too. She was like, fuck him. I'm really good. And I was like, you bad bitch. You fucking ruined my life bro. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of the, and we'll post a couple things because it just really is interesting.
Starting point is 01:06:38 Like him looking at the dental impressions and stuff. Yeah. It's really fucked up that he got. Well, like a quick pick call on him. Just for you. Just be a attorney in this old thing. It's like, fuck him. In the end, he started fucking grasp infrastructure. I was, because he didn't want to die. He did not want to die. I wish they didn't execute him, because I think we could have learned a lot more from him, to be honest. I don't think he deserves to be walking among us, but he's such a prototypical serial killer,
Starting point is 01:07:10 and he's what we, you know, he's kind of like the holy grail of serial killers, so it's like we got rid of it, and it's like, and it was Florida, and Florida's like all about execution. Yeah. I mean, like these people on the night, on the morning of his execution, people were camped out like a fucking tailgate party. You have to think though, like,
Starting point is 01:07:32 to see like a monster die though, like, you're gonna tailgate at someone's execution, like that's crazy. Yeah. I don't know, like that's- I, I mean, I wouldn't do it, but I could understand- I understand people-
Starting point is 01:07:43 Celebrating the end of- And that's a thing. I could understand I understand people celebrating the end of And that's a thing I can understand people wanting him to die right get that like I really do I understand why I wouldn't go to the Links I see what you're saying. They were treating it like an event like a Like a party and they have like they were like chanting like burn-bundie burn and stuff It's like they made it like this like a football game. I think it was just like It made it into a We're so long and like everyone was so terrified for so long But I think people also didn't think like what can we learn from this?
Starting point is 01:08:10 Yeah, I don't think people think like this is a brain that we need to pick right like and he was willing to talk That's the thing Well, and I think also like you look at it from like a scientific kind of you and other people look at it from like a This guy was so yeah exactly emotional and I don people look at it from like a this guy was so yeah exactly emotional and I don't look at it from that yeah I'm not an empath I'm not an empath so in the end when he was grasping it's strong it's just trying to like get that stay of execution because he was trying to get another stay oh yeah he blamed porn for everything he said he
Starting point is 01:08:42 just he just watched a lot of angry violent porn and that was it and he was He blamed porn for everything. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they do. As they. As I think he was also just placating to like whatever the hell. Whatever, like things. So he was found guilty obviously in the end and he was sentenced to die by the electric chair and he did on January 24th, 1989. The end of Ted. And I was like four years old. I wasn't. Or I was like five years old at that point. I wasn't. Yeah. I wasn't even thought. I was five. I was old. I wasn't. Or I was like five years old at that point. I wasn't. Yeah. I wasn't even
Starting point is 01:09:25 thought. I was five. I was five. I was five when Bundy was girl just saying. Okay. Okay. Do you want a prize? That is Ted Bundy. And we just gave it to you. We just gave it to you. We were gonna separate it into three parts and we didn't we didn't we just gave it to you We give it all to you and you know what we're doing next week Do you know do you know do you know do you know do you know? It's Charlie time Charlie time it's gonna be a two I don't know two party Oh for sure cuz I'm gonna go like into like his early like we gotta go deep into a shit I'm taking the reins motherfuckin. Yeah, this is gonna be an ash centric episode. Ash centric I really love that Put that on a t-shirt because this is ashes
Starting point is 01:10:16 Fave so my fave cereal killer. She gets to she doesn't jump in the drivers You know what and don't tell me that he sucks She doesn't jump in the drivers and you know what and don't tell me that he sucks All-terrular suck, but she's my favorite exactly. Okay. It's just it's favorite and all And we have been digging all the messages. Oh my god I know that you guys are sending like we really appreciate it and it's and it's like touching our souls She ate it and it's fun, and it's like touching our souls. One of the things that I absolutely loved was somebody said that they felt like they were like, just hanging out with friends. We are your friends.
Starting point is 01:10:52 We are your friends. That's what we wanted. We just wanted to like bestow this weird ass knowledge that we have. We want to just give people some insight. Give the people what they want. And we want you to feel like you're hanging out with friends. Yeah. Because you are our friends.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Today I was at work and I was telling my work friends about my podcasts. And then we just like started talking about like all these creepy shows and stuff and I was like, oh, I'm at a table full of weirdos. It's like, it just feels so good. I love bringing people together, like, your nose together. And you realize that you're not the only weirdo that is interested by this stuff. And it's like, it's, I love it. It's like, we're a little tribe of weirdos and I love this.
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Starting point is 01:12:30 Well, you can find us anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Because I want to do, I kind of want to do like a giveaway. I know, we're going to do something fun. We're going to do a giveaway. I was going to shout out to our 100th follower. I'm going to shout out to our 100th follower.
Starting point is 01:12:43 No. No. Thank you to our 100th follower. I'm going to shout out to our 100th Instagram follower, Miss! Annie Sizing! AKA my stupid girlfriend who should have been following a long freaking time ago. Annie Sizing is the wonderful girlfriend of my co-sashley! Who should have been following a long time ago. But instead of following this long time ago, she waited to be the underspot her. Which is stupid.
Starting point is 01:13:12 Which is next level. She also sent us a message today and said, do I get a showdown? She said, don't forget my shout out. So Annie, this is your showdown. You don't win anything except my love. You're welcome. My love and devotion.
Starting point is 01:13:28 Yeah. Also, John, you've followed us a long time ago. Yeah, I said that I was like, John doesn't even use Instagram. John doesn't even use social media. All he needs is a husband. Like what? And on that note. So on that note, thanks so much for listening.
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