Morbid - Episode 62: Israel Keyes Part 1

Episode Date: April 27, 2019

Israel Keyes is one of those cases that will have you wondering why he isn't talked about more when it comes to prolific and BRUTAL serial killers. Using a home base in Anchorage, Alaska, this douche rocket took lives all over the lower states on a killing spree that spanned miles and years. His patience, planning and savagery are honestly unmatched. In Part 1 we will take a look at his religious upbringing, some of his weird self imposed rules and three of the confirmed murders attributed to his reign of terror. Stay tuned for Part 2 where this dive goes deep. Check out  Murder Apparel and use our code MORBID for 25% off Go get yourself a KillerTrace subscription box using our code MORBID2018 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Goals. Welcome to the full length's morbid, guys. Are you ready to not listen to us banter at all because you fucking hate that so much. Are you ready? Yeah, we got, we're getting salty about those banter comments. I'm getting salty. I am sodium. I am sodium. I am sodium.

I am. I am. Okay. So yes. But so this is going to be our episode on Israel Keys. Which has been requested by quite a few. It has, and it's funny because this is a case that, when you mentioned it, like some people are like,

oh my god, I've been dying to hear this one, and then some people are like, who the hell is that? I've never heard of him. I know, and it's crazy because a lot of people haven't, but when you hear the details of this case, there's so many weird fucked up moments that you're like, how does the entire world not know about him? Oh god. Like it's one of those, it's almost like the toy box killer, however, and was like,

how did I not know about this dude? He's so brutal. You're gonna do that to me again? I'm gonna bring you back. I don't know. Call back. No. So this is gonna be a two-part episode because there's just so much to cover here because he's such a fucking monster. So in the first part, I think we're just gonna cover, you know, like, where he grew up, all that good stuff. And then the second part is where we're gonna take kind of like a deep dive into it because they have recently released interviews with him, like, interrogation interviews where he just kind of like opened up about shit.

And although they only have three crimes that they were able like confirm and really connect to him, they think there's he admitted to 11 and they think there's at least like 36 more and they shit. So I think the second part is going to be like the deep dive into it. The first part is going to be this one today is going to be just going through everything. All right guys bring your board shorts. We're going diving. Bring your bikini bottoms.

Israel keys. Yes. Israel keys. Borom. Was born in 1978. In Uta. In Uta. Utah.

Huh? Uta. Uta. Veta. We alter, Uta. Ah, Uta, Uta, Veta, Vyalta. So he grew up with his parents and his four sisters. Sunshine, Autumn Rose, Hosanna, and Charity. Ooh, I feel like that's like religious. Ah, yes.

Because isn't Hosanna and Charity something? I'm not super religious, so I'm definitely the wrong person. Maybe the top. I feel like being in mass at some point ever, but I'm sure it's that. And also Sunshine. Sunshine dust. The parents were fundamentalist Mormons,

and they also believed in homeschooling Israel and his siblings. All right. See, that can often work well, but I'm willing to say that it did not work out well in this case. Sure did, and yeah. So yeah, the family moved to Stevens County in Washington. They started going to a church called the Ark.

The Ark? Yes. So the Ark was a Christian identity church and was well known for having racist and anti-Semitic beliefs. Wow. And if you say it like that, it's still bad. Still doesn't sound great. Don't be a racist or an anti-Semite. Don't do it.

Uh, during childhood, Israel was obsessed with guns. He would shoot babies at random houses. He also liked to start fires in the woods according to one report. He sounds like a very fine young man. The makings of a serial killer. According to another report, he would break into cabins near his home and steal guns, and then he would bring them home and hide them. Jeez.

He was doing really good from a young age. Totally. And then when his parents found his stash, they were just like, you know what, you need to apologize and return the guns. Yeah, I feel like you kind of have like a duty to do your due diligence as a parent in that case. Like hop in your dodge minivan, beep beep, roll up to therapy, we got something to talk about. Yeah, and crack that skull open and start taking a look around. Well, you know, figuratively.

Not physically. I was like, uh, not literally. I was like, uh, not literally. I was like, no, no, no, that's not where I was going. No, no, no, I'm going the opposite direction. But they didn't drive to therapy. They didn't. They didn't. They just became like really good friends

with their neighbors, which was good for Israel, because they were like really nice people. Oh, I'm lying. Oh. They were shit people. Oh. Oh. So their neighbors were the key hosts. The were well-known racists. Oh, so really really awful humans

Israel became close with Chevy I believe is how you say it who is now a convicted murderer? Oh fact, he's not a famous comedian. No, it's not true Although maybe he's a murderer too. Oh Throw in accusation. I don't know's not Chevy Chase. Although maybe he's a murderer too. Oh, I don't know. Throw in accusation. I don't know your life, Chevy. And then I don't know if it's chain or shame. It's C-H-E-Y-N-E. Chain, I think?

I think it's chain. Yeah. So he was friends with Shane too. When the family moved, that's when they all became friends. And they remained friends all the way through their teenage years. Oh wow. Chevy, Shane, and Israel. So let's get into his like first crime.

Let's do it. And that's the only crime that I'm gonna talk about because you have the rest of them. I do. So Israel's first crime was the rape of a young girl in Oregon. Is that how I did it? Yeah, Oregon. All right.

He told investigators that it was sometime in the summer between 1996 and 1998, and that he had believed the girl that he raped was between 14 and 16. So he's piece of shit. He's like, a kid, sure. But he's like, I think she was like really young. Yeah. Fucking nasty head. You nasty.

He said he was super violent in that he had every intention of killing her, but for some reason he didn't and he let her go. Oh my God. What kind of angel came sitting on her? I don't know. I mean, not that she had a great time that day, but to get away. Definitely not. When he was definitely intending on killing her. And the crime, according to investigators, was unreported.

Oh, yeah. He just admitted it to them. It was like one of the first things he admitted. Oh, my God. And also, he served three years in the US Army between 1998 and 2001. And that was it. That's it.

That's all I have to say about the military for him. Because I couldn't find anything about his military years. I know. It is hard to find. Like, when you look at his case, it's very willy-nilly. Yes. I do know that after his discharge from the army, he moved to Makha Reservation in Nia Bay, Washington,

where he worked for the tribal authority. Oh, Carl? He did tell investigators that he committed, he believed he committed his first murder soon after moving there in 2001. As unlike he couldn't remember. Yeah. In his reasoning, you want to hear his reasoning for committing his first murder there?

He was bored that day. Quote, Nea Bay is a boring town. I literally was fucking called it. I didn't even know the real answer. I just assumed. He was like, yeah, it was just a boring town. So what the hell? I wanted to stir up some murder of shit. I just assumed. He was like, yeah, it was just a boring town. So what the hell was I want to do? Stir up some murderous shit. Yeah. Wow. Now, he later claimed that

he committed four murders while living in Washington. Wow. But again, those crimes, there's a lot of unconfirmed, you know, we haven't found bodies, we haven't found this in that. Right. Because as we're going to see, he is extraordinarily well prepared. I hate that about CEO-properied meticulously That was part of his MO is he so they believe he he killed at least 36 people. Wow. That's what they believe a lot of fucking people That's like Ted Bundy numbers. He has given like details kind of for 11. Okay.

And they've confirmed three. Wow, that's not a lot out of. But they've only confirmed three because the guy was so fucking meticulous. Yeah, well, and he's dead now so they don't have like any information anymore. Which will, part two is how we're gonna explain, you know, how he's dead, what's going on with that.

Spoiler alert. More details in part two from the interview he gave. Because that's really the only way the police got any information about his crimes. Were these interviews where he gave them the information? Interesting. Kind of like Ted Bundy. Yeah, he did not leave a bunch of shit around. Right.

I knew, I'm not trying to like paint him as this like brilliant, you know, but he was kind of a brilliant criminal. Unfortunately. He did have a daughter. Oh. He had a daughter with a girlfriend and in March 2007, he and his daughter moved

from Washington to Anchorage, Alaska. He had custody? I guess so. To him. Well, that? I guess so. Damn. Well, that's what gets weirder. And I'll talk about it when we go into his MO, actually, so I won't go into that right now. I need to know.

He moved his daughter and himself to Anchorage, Alaska in March 2007 to live with a woman that he started dating. I was going to say, like, what did he do with her when he was out murdering? Yeah. So you call a babysitter, and I'm like, you're like, hey, I got to do some murders tonight. I was gonna say, like, what did he do with her when he was out murdering? Yeah, so this is- So this is- So this is- So this is-

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knew about it. I really wonder if he was a Gemini well, January 7th, so he is He's a you so he's a Capricorn. That's what I am. I'm a Gemini. You are a Gemini. Mm-hmm. I'm very much a Capricorn. I am very much a Gemini So while he was up in Anchorage, Alaska, I have a construction business just living with his daughter and his girlfriend. He's in a Capricorn and shit. He's just being a Capricorn and shit. He was also, which makes sense because Capricorns are very meticulous planners and very like hard workers, they're over extenders, they're overachievers.

She's got out of my head. He fits right into the bill. So while he was up there, he was also visiting a ton of family members in the lower 48. So he was traveling a ton. Right. The FBI thinks he took as many as 35 trips between October 2004 and March 2012 when he was captured. Wow. A lot of fucking trips. Exactly. And it's not like he would just fly somewhere and leave a paper trail. When he did this, he would fly to a state and then he would rent a car and drive thousands of miles to another state to do the job to kill someone. So that he couldn't be connected to it through airline tickets at all. Like he would fly, you know,

to Chicago or somewhere. And then he drive thousands and thousands of miles to like Vermont and kill some of my. Because then no one's gonna connect him. Yeah, I'm saying Chicago. He would also plan these trips out and these murders out years in advance. Years?

Years. Whoa. So, did he stalk people? No, this is the thing. He never stalked people. He had places in mind. Okay, so one of the big things about Israel keys is he had kill kits and These were literally kits with like guns weapons. I mean things to dispose of a body things to hold someone rope tape all this other Shit, it was like anything he thought he would need to kill someone.

He had in that kit. He had in these kits. He would bury these kits in random states. And then know where they were. And then know where they were. He would memorize where they were. And come back to them later. Because he always want, because he would think,

I know I want to murder someone in New York. So I'm gonna bury this kid here. And then when I get there, I'll find the person. And once I found the person, boom, I have my kid ready. Wow. He doesn't have to make any, like, he can just go for it. He can just be like, boom. And he would use money that he got

from successful bank robberies that he committed outside as well. He did that too. Yup. And he would use that money to fund these kits, like buy the guns, buy all these because he'd buy guns ammunition and hide it with the kit. Wow. Yeah. And construction is a pretty good business.

It is. But so is bank robbing, I guess. I know. He would literally pick a spot, go there, bury the kill kit, and then he would remember where that was, come back, sometimes up to two years later. Come back. Come back. Wait, no, he would find the person to bury the kill. Very two years later. Bury the kit.

Remember where it was two years later. Come back, remember where that kit was, and commit the crime. And he had one or more of these kill kits in Alaska, New York, Washington, Arizona, Wyoming, and Texas. Jesus. Yeah. So he like hit like every region of the country, which is almost out. No. Which is really concerning because it's like, what did you have planned? Did you have plans to like hit everywhere in the country? Well, maybe he did. Yeah. He could have. We just

don't know. It's bonkers. And what's also crazy is he didn't have a victim profile. Really? No. And this kind of goes back to, like I mentioned, going back to him having a kid, how this affected the whole thing. Yeah, like where did he put her?

Well, and this is one of the things. He was really nearly about him. He would, he would literally kill women, men, older, young gish, but never children. Okay. And he always said he had a thing. He would not go after children. Oh, do you want to go after? Another thing I read was that he didn't want to go after mothers. What a genuine like a mother who had a child. Okay. He also never wanted

to kill dogs. Holy yeah, what a good guy. Yeah. What if I can jump in? He's like, listen, I wanted to kill old people, young-ish people, guys, everybody in between, but I have a few rules here. Yeah. No dogs, love dogs. Love dogs. No kids.

Have kids. Have kids. Have kids. Have kids. Everything else on the table mom no got one of those two because moms have kids. Yeah, oh shit, you know, and sometimes dogs too sometimes dogs. Mom's kids dogs. And that's and his thing he told the police he said after he said I had a daughter and that made me like I there's no way I could kill a child.

Interesting that he could kill like I wonder if he would kill a father. Well, that's what's so weird. It's like so he had this weird like he wasn't a total sociopath. Yeah, it's like this he had this weird moral code and it's like so he did care for his daughter. Right. Because he would feel some kind of like weird empathy if he killed a child. It's a very weird, because he was a fucking brutal maniac.

So it's like, why did you have scruples? And you had self-controlled and not do that. That's the other thing. He wasn't. Which is interesting. In his self-control was so far reaching because it's like years.

He could bury a kit and wait years to use that kit. Instead of just like, I need it, I need to do it now. Because it's so many. He was like, Jones and Fur a murder, but like he wasn't. Like he wanted to, but he had such self-control that he could wait up to two years to commit the crime. That's crazy. Such a capricorn, right?

Such a capricorn. One other thing that he had like a thing about was he would only go off, he would only like go into houses and murder someone if there was an attached garage. What the why? If there was an unattached garage, he wouldn't do it. Why? Because he was so like meticulous about not being caught. He didn't want to have to leave the house to go into the garage and either

steal their car or do whatever he had to do. Interesting. He needed that attach so that there was little time for him to be outside and be seen. Okay. Which is like, wow. That is pretty smart. And if he saw, he said if he saw that there was a dog, it was a no-no. And if he saw that there was a child in the house, it was a no-no.

Okay. So, I mean, claps and sl and snaps for you bud. Classy as real So the three murders that have been linked to keys. I just had like a moment you had a moment Yeah, if he why did he rape that 14-year-old girl? Well because he was younger So he didn't have a child Okay, I right. So he admitted it's me having a daughter has changed. Cause I was like, hold up, there's a fucking

plot hole here. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's a plot hole to reality. Here's me, excuse me, as real Mr. Keys. Excuse me, life editors, you have an issue with the storyline. Got to fix that. No, it was because he didn't have a daughter yet. No plot hole, shit, this guy's story is just like tight. airtight, man. Good writing. So three murders that have been linked to him

because of his own confessions. Okay, again, are the murders of Bill and Lorraine Courier in Essex Vermont in 2011. Okay. In the death of Samantha Coneg in Anchorage, Alaska in 2012. Samantha Coneg is the case that is Bonkers Banana's Crazy. Cucunuts, yeah. So we'll start with the murders of Bill and Lorraine Courier. Okay, so keys had gone, this is what's so crazy about him. He had gone to Vermont two years prior to killing them Okay, and that's when he hid his murder kit and all the disposal shit

He would need where did he hide it like in the mountains or the woods or the where he would just bury it somewhere Just like anyway. Yeah, he would just he picked a place and he would bury it. Okay. Yeah, it was like I must have been some place that he was comfortable, but you know, returning back to. I think this kit was near the home that they, that he ended up actually killing them in. And again, this wasn't because he picked them two years prior, it just happened to work out that way.

It was near his kit. Yeah, he probably looked around so that the area was somewhere he wanted to kill someone in. Right. Because he's a maniac. Right. And it just happened to be there.

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Oh, pretty much. So, got to stop buying that. So, okay. Just kidding. So, buried the kit two years later, comes back. What he did was he flew from Alaska to Chicago on June 2nd, 2011. Then he rented a car and drove almost a thousand miles to Vermont. So he flew to Chicago from Alaska, got in a car, and then drove to Vermont. That's a far, that's a far that's a far drag distance Bill and Lorraine Courier were married

Just a tiny bit of background about these two because there's not a ton of details about it Bill Courier was 49 years old and he was an animal care technician at the University of Vermont So he liked dogs he liked dogs so fucking is real man. Yeah, a lot whole plot hole So Lorraine courier was 55 and she worked at Fletcher Allen health care. Oh Now they were immediately noticed because that they were missing because they didn't show up for work Right people said they were not the people kind of people who wouldn't call in and not show up They were really good about being on work at work on time, like responsible people. And a lot of people said that they were just good people, so people noticed that they were missing.

Oh, but they were last seen leaving at leaving work in June 2011. Okay. And they didn't show up the next day. That's when people were like, uh, so, so keys chose their house again, not because of them in particular, but because there was no children or dog, and there was an attached garage. It, he, he said he looked, it looked like it was a pretty decent layout of the home. He knew where the master bedroom was. He felt like he could maneuver around quick. It freaks me out when people like know your home. Right? And I'm not sure if this was a one story or two story home, but I feel like the way he talks about this, it feels like it might be a one story

because he can like lay out, map out the house altogether, you know what I mean? One story is effort dead people. There you go. That's our new. It's another motto. So what he did that night that he attacked them and ended up murdering them was he cut their phone line. Oh no, I just got so fucked up that is like the scariest shit ever. That's horror movie shit. Yeah. So then he broke into their home on the night of June 8th. Rushed into the house after breaking in through a broken window. No. Fixer fucking windows.

Fixer windows, guys. I'm not victim-blaming. We're not victim-blaming. We're just saying, fixer windows. Fixer windows. He was wearing a headlamp. Bye! Like, bye.

Right? Get out of my house. Like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I'm gonna nope right out of that. Oh, that reminds me of, um, sounds in the lambs when she has the vision goggles. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's I'm gonna nope right out of that. Oh, that reminds me of, um, Silence in the Lams when she has the Vision God. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fun.

This is so creepy, I hate you. Yeah, so he just busts in, wearing a headlamp in the middle of the night, attacks them in bed. He immediately tied them up with zip ties. Oh, God. Through them into their own car and drove them to an abandoned farmhouse.

Shut the fuck up. I will not. He kidnapped them? He threw them in their own car and brought them to an abandoned farmhouse, which is the scariest location you can bring someone. Yeah, it is. I mean, look at our mini episode. We just talked about farmhouses, man. I'm heavily spooked. I'm heavily spooked.

I am heavily spooked. And I know what happens. Shit. Shit. He brought... So when he got to the farmhouse, he left a Lorraine in the car tied up, and he brought Bill into the basement of the abandoned farmhouse. The abandoned farmhouse basement.

Can you for one second imagine? No, no, I won't. How horrifying. This must have been. I can't put myself there. For these poor people. Oh my god. Like this poor man is brought to the basement of an abandoned farmhouse in the middle of the fucking way. And his wife is probably like in the trunk in the middle of nowhere. With this fucking maniac. Like I just, I can't even rent my brain around it. Goodbye. When so he left him in the basement and then he returns to the car where Lorraine had tried to run from the car Yeah, because she was like I'm getting the fuck out of here. Oh my god

But can you imagine like the things that went through her head like your husband pure Her husband is with this dude because you're just sitting there being like what the hell's gonna happen? What's gonna happen to him? Do I stay here and fight him to try to help my husband like oh my god? This is so fucked the decision you have to make there is like the worst it's so fierce choice I don't know if I'll ever love somebody enough to not run from a murderer. I I think you will I don't know because you know what I would totally fight a murderer for John But Lorraine went running out of the car. Same girl.

But he tackled her and dragged her into the farmhouse. This is a horror movie. Yeah, I was just picturing, um, fucking Texas changing the house. Me too. Like, busting through that door and just wrapping her back into the house. I was like, I hate that scene. It's horrifying. Like, let me go, bro.

He returned to the basement and he could hear Bill screaming for his wife. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Bill was screaming for Lorraine. Don't tell me that. So he struck Bill in the head with a shovel and then shot him in the head right in front of Lorraine. Thanks so much for that information. Like, whoa. That's so fucked. That made my heart fall out of my chest. So then he went back to the second floor, where he sexually assaulted and raped Lorraine after he just brutally murdered her husband

in an abandoned farmhouse in the middle of the fucking night. This is horrible. And then he strangled her to death. Wow. Yo. And then did he just leave them there? Well, oh no, because he had the he had the garbage bags. He then put his bodies in their bodies and garbage bags, but he

left them in that abandoned farmhouse. But the house got demolished with their bodies inside. What? So their bodies have not been recovered. Because their bodies literally it literally got demolished, like taken down into rubble and taken away. And nobody found like, until like a land spill. Oh my God. So it just pulverized their bodies and that was it. Don't they ever find them?

Was like the worst horror movie ever with like the most horrific ending. Right, wow. And it's real life. That's real life. This is real fucking keys guys. So just a reminder.. So just a reminder. Yeah, just a reminder.

So that was that murder. That was horrific. This next one's more horrific. Yes. I got it on my ride is actually here and I'm leaving now. You're gonna stay, man. I'm busy that day. You're obligated, man.

I don't know anymore. So, quits on air. I'm done. This is it. Israel keys, you know what, you did me ends. It's real key. It's funny that like the toybox killer didn't do it to you, but Israel is really good. I think I was too much in a state of emotional shell. Yeah, I did put you in like a catatonic state. Catatonic totally. So the other confirmed murder we are going to talk about right now at least. Currently. Is he confessed to the kidnapping and murder of Samantha Coneig?

Was she the barista? Yeah, she was an 18 year old barista working in Anchorage, Alaska. Oh. So that was in his home. Home? Yeah, his home base. Samantha was one of six children. Everyone said she was a sweetheart.

She was very loyal, very kind. She was very genuine with people. She had a ton of friends. Everyone liked her. I hope that's what people say about me someday if I get murdered. People definitely not say that. Do you think that she was a fucking bitch? She's a raging peep- People hated her. Yeah, and then they'll post my worst picture. But you know, I'll talk to Dateline at the time. I'll get a good pick for you.

Thank you. Thank you. Because hopefully by that point, me and Keith Morrison will be bros. Like, I have some polis. I want to be bros with Keith Morrison. God, I want to be bros with Keith Morrison. Excuse me, Keith.

Hey, listen, and Keith. He's like, yes. Oh, but wait. I was listening. Hey girls. That got to the soul tree. I got way too sultry. But that is Keith. But like the weight I was listening. Keith is pretty sultry, so. So yeah, Samantha was that amazing person. She was genuine loved. She was cared for by... she... she had tons of friends. Just one of those people that you're like, what the fuck is real? Yeah, like, why did you have to be such a dickhole? So he had originally made a plan to kidnap both her and her boyfriend from the coffee stand. Oh. I'm not sure if her boyfriend worked at that stand at any point.

There's just like visiting. Or if he was just there and he saw them. Right. And decided I'm just going to kidnap them both. I feel like he had a thing against love. Well, and he's like, balsy. Yeah. Like you were going to, what?

Like that was your plan. And like, like in broad daylight, did he do it? Which from the coffee stand? I'm kind of thinking. I'm like, I think he of thinking, I'm like, I think he's just saying that to like, you're like, in the late- I was gonna do that.

Yeah, like inflate his like ego. Pini a little bit and be like, I was gonna kidnap them both and kill them both, but then I just went with her. It's like no, if you were gonna do that, you would have done it. You weren't gonna do it yet. Samantha was waiting for her boyfriend to pick her up from a shift.

Okay. She was still working, but she was like basically at the end of the day. And was she by herself? She was. Because this was not like a shop. It was like a little trailer type, like a kiosk. Oh, really? Like one of those little like almost like a food truck kind of thing. Yeah, no, that's no boy now. It just didn't seem. So, he just decided, okay, I was waiting around for the boyfriend, but he didn't show up yet.

So, I'm just gonna get her. That was the way he told police. Now, what's crazy about this is there is a video of the abduction. Oh. There is surveillance video from the little like, the key ask thing that she worked in that shows this whole thing. Oh my god. And it is so spook, spook to watch it.

Because you're just sitting there being like, oh, I just want to help. Like, you want to reach in and just like grab her. Yeah. And help her. So he comes up to the window. He ordered an Americano. Mm-hmm. Was it like a star poppy?

I don't think so. I think it was just like a, okay. Other places make Americano. She makes tarbugs. I don't think so. I think it was just like a... Okay. Other places make Americano. I'm like must've been Starbucks. It has to have been Starbucks. So she makes the coffee

and then he apparently pulled out a gun when she turned around. You can't see him on the surveillance video. You just see her suddenly put her hands up. Oh God! Yeah. She starts backing away from the window. He climbs into the thing with her. No. Yep. He binds her hands and drags her out and throws her in the car. It is horrifying. I really hate that so much. So what he told her,

he said, I just want your family to pay me some ransom money and I'll let you go. Mm-hmm. But he said that was literally never my intention. Why? He just said that to be a dick. Yeah, he just, he, well, no, he just told her that because he was like, I didn't want her to like piss me off and like fight back. Like, he told investigators this and he was like, my intention was to murder her. But I also wanted money.

So I just told her like, just do what I say. I just want some ransom from your family. Like, just shut up and buy. And I'll say you just didn't want to deal with it. And I'll let you go. So like, you gave her the idea, like, oh, you got it. Oh my God. So Samantha, I mean, apparently Samantha tried really hard

to convince him, like, my family doesn't have a ton of money. You're not going to get a ton of money. Like, please just let me go. And that reminds me, Bill and Lorraine, it also was said that they fought like hell, by the way. So all of these people, I mean, this guy just seemed like he was just like a brick wall. Like, people fought so hard against him.

He wasn't even that big, was he? Oh, and that's what's so weird. Yeah. But people fought him, man. Like, all these victims were fucking fighters, till the end. And his response to her saying like my family doesn't have a lot of money, but he was like,

well, I guess they're gonna have to have the community raise money for you then. Oh my God. Yeah. So he had a white pickup truck. There was parking lot security footage nearby and it showed him actually coming back to the vehicle because apparently Samantha had momentarily escaped.

No. Yes. It shows him, he tackled her to the ground, drew his gun, and said he'd kill her if he did. She was like, if you do this again, I'm going to kill you. So she complied. Oh my God. But she got away for a minute. No, I just wish you'd tell me that.

Yeah. So then he gets her and he brings her back to his house. No. He took her money, her credit cards, her ID, and he tried to look for her cell phone because he needed that cell phone to do the ransom plan. Oh, sure. So, he was like, he actually was going to do that? Yeah.

Okay. So, he was going to do the ransom, but he had every intention of killing her regardless. Anyway. He just wanted the money. So, what he did did was he bound her up and he put her in the backyard in a shed. No. Yep.

And then he cranked the radio up so no one would hear her screaming. Oh my God, that's so scary. Which that is like one of, because a lot of you hear these in a lot of cases that they would crank up the music to like drown out screams. Like in silence of the land. It's like I cannot. For some reason, that just like sends me into like, I can't. That's just one of the scariest things you can do. And that's what they do that to increase the anxiety and also to drown out the screams. But it also creates this awful chaotic situation where it just makes it worse.

Right. He also told her he was like, oh by the way, I have a police scanner with me, so I'm gonna know if the neighbors call for help. And I'm gonna come back here and kill you. Oh, wow. Like, so he covered all bases. Like he was like, shut your mouth because if the neighbors call for help, then you're fucked. Oh my god. And I'll know. So he went back to Samantha's car because he was like, I'm looking for the cell phone. And this was a car that she and her boyfriend shared, I guess. Oh.

And so he broke into it. He got her cell phone. And then Samantha's boyfriend saw him, yelled at him, and tried to chase him, but he got away. What the fuck? Yup. So when he got home, he immediately sexually assaulted Samantha and strangled her to death. Oh my God.

So you might be wondering, like, OK, how the fuck are you going to get ransom? What's going on right now? This is where shit gets wild. Let's see, lying and saying, oh God, this is going to make my stomach so bad. He then left her body in the shed that he had kept her in before, went on a two-week cruise out of New then left her body in the shed that he had kept her in before. Went on a two week cruise out of New Orleans

with her body in the shed. What? And when he got back, he was like, I still want that ransom money. But she's been in the shed for two weeks. And obviously this is an anchor in Alaska so the shed was probably freezing. So I'm sure she was pretty well preserved for two weeks.

So what did he do when he returned? Did he send a picture of her to her home? He decided he sewed her eyes open to appear like she was awake in a life, and took a Polaroid picture of her body tied up and posed to look like she was alive. He had her hold, an old copy of the Anchorage Daily News so that it looked like it was a different, like, the day was correct. Yeah. And he literally posed her arm to appear she was holding the newspaper.

There is this photo online. I don't want it. Please don't put it on the Instagram. And it is one of the scariest photos you will ever see because you're looking at it knowing that her eyes are fucking so open and they're literally wide open and she just looks, I mean you look at it and you're like, yeah, she's not alive. Like, are you kidding me right now? It is horrifying. I don't even have a response for that. Like this dude sewed her eyes open and then took a picture and then he texted Samantha's boyfriend from her phone giving him direction to some dog park where he left that photo the Polaroid and a $30,000 ransom demand which was paid to him.

No, yep. And what he did and how did they get $30,000 ransom demand which was paid to him. No. Yep. And what he did, and how did they get $30,000? They must have, I mean, when it's your family member, I guess you scrape it together from as many sources as possible. And they couldn't triangulate this whole thing through cell phone stuff because you would think, okay, he's using her cell phone, but the location is gonna prove

that it was from that house. Well, what he would do was he would send the text message and then he would using her cell phone but the location is gonna prove that it was from that house. Well what he would do was he would send the text message and then he would remove the cell phone battery because it avoids being tracked down or at least at the point it did. Wow! So after that after he got everything he wanted did that whole thing he dismembered her body and threw it in the frozen Maddenuska Lake near Anchorage. He cut a hole in the frozen lake and dumped her in there. Oh my God. Yep. That is where we're going to stop for part two because I think the next one we're gonna get into all his interrogations and the interviews with police because there's just a plethora of information there.

Maybe we'll play a couple of clips if I can make sure I can get some without getting in trouble for playing. Yeah, this dude is bonkers and I just think he deserves a two-parter man. There's just too much information for one. We didn't want to keep you here for like five hours. This is also a lot of information to take in. So take this in. Think about it this week. I'll post photos. Don't look at that picture because you'll never stop thinking about it. You won't. You won't stop thinking about it. It's terrible. But yeah, so we are going to bring this back into the land of Rainbow Sunshine Happy Place and thank our Patreons. Yay!

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But only if you're feeling so inclined. Only. Do I cover everything? You did. Alright, so guys, keep fucking listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But that's a word that you live in Alaska, and then you go to all these fucking places, and you drive your car to like so many different places. Like slow down while you're driving Israel, and then you fucking...

I don't even know what you do with all those murder kits. Like don't keep keep it that weird that you're just murdering kids everywhere and like leaving them places. And then you go to Starbucks for an Americano and you're like, you know what else would be great if I fucking kidnap this girl and murdered her and then so do fucking eyes open. Like a savage. And then took $30,000 from her family to keep it that weird. Jokes! Jokes that guy. Bye! Bye!

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