Morbid - Episode 65: Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile Review

Episode Date: May 12, 2019

It’s time, friends. It’s time to chat about Netflix’s Extremely Wicked, Shocking Evil and Vile. What did the Ted Bundy flick get right, what did it get wrong and would we recommend it? Contains spoilers.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yeah, it's about to be a whole last morbid. It is. I'm, yeah, you're right. It's gonna be a whole last morbid again. Because we have a lot to say. So much to say about this long-ass movie title. Today we are going to do what we promised you guys we would do. We are going to talk about extremely wicked, shocking evil and vile.

Which I have nicknamed ill. Ill. So we're going to talk about ill. And we're basically going to just go into what we liked about it, what we didn't like about it, what we recommend, talk about what they got right, what they got wrong. And then at the end of the episode, we're going to give you our final thoughts about it. We're not going to tell you right away. Together, we share a thought. We do. We pretty much. Two brains can create it. I almost just said, Combusted. Two brains, Combusted. Two brains created one thought.

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like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more And I know this case inside and out. So let me just preface this by saying, I went into this movie fully open-minded. Like I went in there and I was like, I hope this is great. I mean, was it not really? No.

But it wasn't terrible. It would have been great if it was not based on a true story. That's what it would have been a great movie. A lot of moments in this movie, the way they did it, would have been great in some Slasher flick or horror movie. Or thriller, where they belong. Yeah, and honestly, there was parts where I was like, wow, that gave me chills, but like,

don't want it in this movie. I didn't get to watch it in another movie. I wanted it in another movie once. I got it in one part, and I'll say when that comes up. but I know what you're talking about, but I didn't get it there I got it. We'll get there when we get there So I think we all know that the movie is based on Ted Bundy's long-time girlfriend during the murders Liz She wrote the book the phantom prince my My Life with Ted Bundy, under the

pen name Liz Kendall. The book is out of print. You can go on Amazon and buy it for $2,000. It shut the fuck up. Are you kidding me? I don't think anybody's going to. It's $2,000. Yeah, it gets out of print. What does that mean? It went out of print in like 89. What does that mean? I mean, they're not printing it anymore. Good job. Self-explained. I was like, I was like, I don't really know. But like, no one has it laying around. Well, people do, I'm sure. But like, you can't take people's copies. But you found it on Amazon for $2,000.

I found it on Amazon for $2,000. And I was like, um, am I that dedicated to the podcast? I'm sorry guys, no. I want to know who in there right my Can we just have a separate podcast about that? Well the good news is Somebody uploaded the PDF $2,000 somebody uploaded the PDF So I got the PDF you're trying to get me passes It's not gonna work because we're gonna move passes but I got the PDF, I got the PDF in Reddit in like one morning because she's psychotic

because it's fascinating in a very like odd way and it's pretty short, isn't it? Yeah, it's pretty short. Is it actually or is it you? No, it's pretty short. It's like a quick read. When you know the case, you know what's coming, so it's like you can kind of like speed read through it. You're just getting her point of view.

Yeah, I do. Which is probably skip over some stuff. Yeah, but it's really interesting to see her side of things. I mean, it's a good look into someone who was as close to Ted Bundy as probably most anybody has been in his soul. Like it's really odd to because

they were together for like over five years five six years. So long last time. I should together for like on and off. They had a very I know you didn't get that from the movie, but they had a very tumultuous relationship. You mean she wasn't blindsided? No. Weird because it seems like she was.

It definitely did. Now, what's weird to me in the book that they didn't show in the movie, and it's like they showed it in the movie, but I didn't get it from the movie. I got it more from the book when I read it. What is it? How weird it was to hear her saying things

about giving him a hug after he was convicted in January 1975 of the aggravated kidnapping. When you try to kidnap him murder Carol Durant which we'll get into that too. She says in the book quote, Ted's attorney asked that Ted be allowed some time with his family. We entered the judge's chamber where Ted was frisked in his hands, where cuffed behind his back. I put my arms around him and told him I was sorry. He was drenched in sweat and stiff with tension. I kissed him on the cheek in whispered, I love you. I hated myself for what I had done to him. Well, why the why did they put that as a scene? Yeah, because it's and you know why they didn't do it first as a scene because Because in the book, at that point, she had already called the police on him.

Mm-hmm. And said, I think my boyfriend might be the guy. In the movie, she didn't do that. I know. That was like a weird part, too. I feel like the whole thing was like leading up to her admitting that she was the one that did it. Yeah.

Or that called in like his name. But I was like, why was that like the main point of the day? Yeah, instead of showing this slow buildup of her... Realize it. Going, I mean, her whole memoir is this like spiral that she's going through of being like, this things are not adding up. I'm finding weird things.

Like, yeah. Calling the police, talking to detectives. I mean, she was talking to friends. She talked to her best friend. I think they called her Joanna in the movie. Or Joanne, I can't remember. But she talked to her about it. Like, she told her her fears and her friend

was like, you need to call the police. Yeah, that's weird. Right. So it's like, they didn't go into any of that barely at all. And with a title like extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile, which like we all know that comes from what the judge said to him at the end. Someone who didn't know where that quote comes from

or a lot about Bundy's case would be like, yeah, where? Right, because you know, it's so true. It just was not. Like, he seems like the boy next door in the movie, but like the whole time. I saw very little, I didn't want to see, you know, I didn't need to see like a ton of, like a group of shit or anything like that,

but I needed to see a little bit of something. Just anything to show me what a monster this guy was. Because he wasn't a monster at all in the movie. Yeah, and it's like, I understand that this was from Liz's point of view. Like, we all understand that. I went in there knowing that I know we're not gonna get exactly what I know in my head.

We're gonna get a different point of view here because that's what Joe Barringer really wanted to do with this. But, so it was intended to show like how easy it was to believe that he wasn't a monster and how he tricked women even during the trial to like root for him and to dress up like his victims in the, I mean, which they didn't go into that enough too. They actually didn't go into that at all really. Skimmed over that. But it backfires. And it backfires hard because it doesn't come off like we are Liz trusting him the whole whole time which she didn't like we said and we'll get more into that. Instead it comes off as a

way to like humanizing and romanticized portrayal of a brutal demon who committed some of the worst atrocities we've seen in a serial killer. And oh, he was a necrophile. Yeah, that wasn't even touched upon at all. Never touched upon. Like it was not a part of the movie. Not a part. And I understand you don't, I mean, again, you don't need to show me he's a necrophile. No, I don't need to see it.

They could have been mentioned. But you should have. Yeah, because Zach Efron was absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, he was really good. With what they gave him, he was phenomenal. And I think if he was given darker shit to work with, he would have knocked that thing so far out of the park because he had it.

He was doing it already. So if they gave him the darkness like that, mannerisms and stuff like that. Yeah, and he looks so much like him. He really does. And like there was a point where when he grows the beard, and he's practicing jumping off his, but he practiced when he was jumping off

of one of the top bunks in his cell. You're like, hold up. For a flash, I was like, whoa. Is that a click that have said? Like it literally looks, and when he's talking to the reporters in the hallway and he's doing that laugh with the beard, I was like, oh my god. And when they recreated the scene when he's in to the reporters in the hallway and he's like doing that laugh with the beard, I was like, oh my God.

And when they recreated the scene when he's in that brown turtle neck, oh my God, that was like holy shit. It was insane, insane. We also never see that Ted had utter contempt and hatred for women. Weird. One of the biggest facets of Ted Bundy's personality and psyche is that he had

a contempt for women. And especially women who he deemed to be higher than he was. Right. And it's like it came from him being illegitimate, from his mom lying to him, like all this crazy, like, you know, mommy, psych issues and all that good stuff. He wasn't bitch to his mom and not seen in the cell. He was. How was he like, boy?

I was like, dude, she's a little upset. But we never, they never touched upon that. And that's like one of the biggest facets of his personality. Instead of showing that he had this awful contempt for women that he tried to hide all the time, they showed him as this romanticized, fucking, like Nicholas Sparks character.

Literally. And it's like, no, no. Did Nicholas Sparks direct this movie? Seriously. It's never even suggested. And honestly, it's hard to believe that it's even a part of his psyche while you're watching it. And it's like in the movie,

you can't even picture him losing it on Liz. Well, because he doesn't. Because he never does. And it's like, he sure he gets like wound up and he gets stressed and like, Zach, I front, it's not really a toward Liz. Yeah, it's never really directed at Liz. When in Liz's book, she says, quote, I can count on two fingers. The times Ted threatened me or was the least bit violence toward me. Violent towards me. I was like, yeah, I feel I've lived through a violent time. It's like, you have it. You have. Another time she and her daughter stopped by his room and saw that he had all this expensive shit that he had clearly stolen,

because he was a glutton maniac. That's another thing they never touched on at all. He stole shit all the time. And she always confronted him about it. Throughout the whole book, she's confronting him about it. So when she saw that he had this whole room full of like a new TV and new stereo, all the stuff, she said that she saw this and was like, he definitely stole all this.

He can't afford it. Right. And she blurted out quote, you're nothing but a thief. And he responded by grabbing her arm and saying quote, if you ever tell anyone about this, I'll break your fucking neck. That's a red flag Elizabeth. Like, did you see that in the film? No. Would you have thought that

Zach Efron's character was capable of that in the film? I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. Zach Efron's character wasn't capable of that. No, I was rooting for that. He wasn't. That's the thing. That's the thing. And again, like we say, we're not asking to see gruesome, awful, violent murders and assaults

to give the point across. That's not what we need. But even just in the relationship, like it could have been depicted that he was sometimes violent toward her. In abusive, he was dismissive. He was unfaithful multiple times that she caught him. He was very disrespectful to her.

He talked down to her. He was constantly telling her like she was a child and she needed to grow up. I hate that. I mean, he was lap him silly. He was told they had time, like she describes times where everything was wonderful and it does seem. I must have been if she stuck around for that long.

And it seems like they did have great times and it seems like he was in general. There's always good times. In general, it seems like he was good to her daughter. Yeah. So it's like that, they played out very truthfully. And they could have kept all that stuff in. Totally.

It just needed some additions. Yeah, like show him as this great boyfriend and who is. But then show that he has two sides to him because he does. Exactly. That's who he was as a person. They needed to show some of the darker moments.

Right. They needed to. And it would have been so much more impactful if you got like, glimpses of those darker moments. Well, because the whole movie, it's like, you don't see any of that. So you're like, wait a second.

Like, it makes you root for him. It does. I had a better way of explaining it. Well, you had. You forget what the end game is here. And it's not Ted. Like that? I'm sorry, that's not Ted.

No. That was who he wanted people to see him. Right. It wasn't, and they should have shown that. And in order to grasp his actual personality, I just don't understand why they didn't show both sides see him. Right. It wasn't and they should have shown that. And in order to grasp like his actual personality, I just don't understand why they didn't show both sides of him. Yeah, that's what bothers me. It's like everyone was terrified that this film would like glamorize Bundy. Remember that whole thing? And I was a staunch

argueer against this kind of thing because I believe stories like this need to be told. They do. I am correct to read that. But unfortunately, it's like the people behind this film were out to make me look like an asshole because it's 100% glorified, Bundy. It turned him into a Nicholas Sparks character. Or a badass. What do you think that the title of the movie

would have been if Nicholas Sparks directed it? Oh, damn. Because I have one, but I want to hear yours first. Oh, shit. Okay, hold. I think... Ted and the fireplace? Hahaha. Mine is just the summer my boyfriend became a murderer.

Hahaha. Because I feel like that's about the effort that Nicholas Sparks wanted. 100%. To the point. That time my boyfriend was Ted Bundy. No, that's it. That's my final answer. Yeah.

That time Ted Bundy was my boyfriend. That's the movie. That's the movie. Thank you and good night. That is it. I think we nailed it. And honestly, I mean, unfortunately, this wasn't a next Nicholas Sparks movie. It is a real fucking case. Guys, it's like, if this wasn't a ghost, if this wasn't real, this would all be hilarious. So we can be

like Nicholas Sparks. They turn this guy into like some room. It's not funny though. Not funny. We laugh and, but it's not funny. And there were times where I, who know this case backwards and forwards, thought to myself, now I know Ted Bundy did it. But I am 100% convinced that Zach Efron is being real-rooted for these crimes right now.

I was rooting for Zach Efron. I deadass was. I literally halfway through, I was like, guys, Zach Efron didn't do it. I was like, we need to get him a good lawyer. The police. That's right, Zach fire the lawyer. Like the police are framing Zach Efron.

They were. But in the other part of my brain, I was like, but I know Dan, but I know Dan. I know Ben Tundee did it. Ben Tundee, I know you did this shit. I know Ben Tundi did it But I know it did do it. And it was like, but it's true because now I'm seeing a lot of like people online Who don't know this case well are now being like guys? I don't know if Ted Bundy did it wait for, for real though? No, for real. All right, well, they need to Google Twitter.

That's a not just go off of this movie. But that's the thing, they're portraying this, like this is this true case. And it's like, that's frustrating. And giving the real shit. In fact, like one of the things like, yes. I mean, this is obviously my opinion. He was handsome.

I disagree. To some, a lot of people do. That's fine. I think he was. He was. He was a drunk. He was charismatic. I disagree. I disagree. A lot of people do. That's fine. I think he was. He was like Efron as a monk. He was charismatic. I agree. Everybody else is great about that.

I feel like you can't disagree with that. Everybody else is great about that. You're stupid if you disagree with that. And he could definitely hold his shit together in front of the camera, for the most part. But there were times where he cracked on film in real life, like when they were filming him in the court. That should have been utilized here. If they were going for subtlety, which they obviously were.

I literally think the only one that was depicted in the movie was when he was shaking his finger at the judge. And the judge was like, don't shake your finger at me, young man. It didn't, it wasn't as intense as it was in real life. Yeah, it wasn't as impactful. Like that scene, wasn't. No. And there's another moment that is like one of the moments

that I remember the most out of this whole case. And it's when the guards, it's during that same trial when he's, you know, the guards are leading him out of the courtroom. He's carrying a box of files. I dress as a lawyer and, you know, he's like, you know, sassy self-walking out of there being like, we'll get him tomorrow, guys.

You know, like just being a dick. And when one of the guards grabs his arm just to walk him out, but like kind of just like, yeah, really grabs his arm. Exactly what you're gonna say. He violently and aggressively tried to rip it back and he gives that guard a look. Like I'm going to savagely murder you not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it.

It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it.

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It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's not going to save it. It's the Bundy that these poor women saw. Right. Exactly. And that switches. When you see that one clip It is lit and I'll try to find it if I can and post it on the Instagram because That's what they needed to show. Mm-hmm. It's like that's the face and that's the monster that these poor women saw before they were killed because I can't think of one time in the movie where he Snaps no at all movie where he snaps at all or where he just shows like a glimmer because that was that moment it went from the

Ted he was putting on breathless lead to this quick little moment where he just lost control of it and then he snapped it back again. It's like that's all you needed to be like it could have been such an effective tool for this film and they ignored it. And that bummed me out. And then literally, just like no time is spent on the victims in this film. Yeah, that was frustrating. And it's actually something that while you were watching it, you were kind of like forgetting

about. Can we talk about how pissed I was at the way that they depicted Carol D'Arrange? Yes, please. Because I was at the way that they depicted Carol Dorange. Yes, please. Because I was really angry. They made her look like this sniveling like, I mean, obviously she was scared in real life for what she went through, but it's like, they made her look like an idiot in the movie.

They did. They just didn't like, they didn't even mention what a badass she was for surviving what she did and getting out of there. Right. Like, not at all. Like, they tell you what happened, but nobody's sitting there, like they should have spent a minute to be like, this fucking wonder woman over here

fought her way out of his clutches. You know what I mean? Well, I don't even think it said anything about the fact that she did. Yeah, I think I'm just, was like she was kidnapped and like got away. That's it. Yeah, they gave like a very generalized overview

It was very glazed over now here's both of our biggest issue with the film It's that Liz is pretty convinced that he's innocent the entire time during this movie fun fact in real life She was not not at all in the movie. She's barely questioning anything that happens around Ted but in real life and in her memoir not at all. In the movie she's barely questioning anything that happens around Ted, but in real life and in her memoir, Liz found a shit ton of weird stuff that pointed him being the killer. She literally found crutches and plaster. Liz literally, she spoke to police several times about these things that she found. She even handed over a book of his canceled checks as evidence to them. My God. Like, why did they not put... If they had, like, I have like a scene in my mind that, like,

I created, that would have been so good. And I know that I'm not a director. But like, imagine if she's just like cleaning up the house and then she opens the closet to like put something away. And like, on the top shelf, she sees that and she's like, what the fuck? And then she just flips through it. And it plays like some weird-ass music. The way it happened is even scarier. She had her landlord let her into his house once, where she went rummaging through his stuff because she was convinced she would find something.

And she did. And she found these canceled checks and she got so scared that he was going to come in that she said she just grabbed one of the books of canceled checks and left. Oh my God. But she said she also found a film canister that was heavily duct taped and she said she almost took it but she was scared he would figure out that she was in there. Like she would, and she was like, I still don't know what was in that film canister. Oh my God. Why didn't they put that in the film? They found the film canister ever? I don't think so.

Fook. But either way. That scene of her in there, like, scared that he's gonna come in. Right. Rummaging through all of his stuff, finding those, like, grabbing them. That would have been a great scene.

That would have been amazing. But we didn't see it. Well, because she was so convinced that he was innocent. In the memoir, you're kind of like, like I was way more couldn't put it down the memoir than I was the movie. The movie I got bored. Oh, the movie toward the end, I literally was like, when is this over?

But the memoir, I was like, oh shit, what's gonna happen next? Like, I was literally like, oh my god. I know this case, but I don't know what she found. Right. So it was like hearing her point of view and her being like, and then I thought this and I was putting together this. Like that's riveting. It was like a fucking like old timey detective novel.

I was like, H Turner. What's happening next? And she, I mean, she had a super tough time with this for months and months and months and months and months. And she was, she would cooperate with the police, like call them, say something, and then she would kind of pull back all

because he would charm her back in. Then he would go off and do something, so she would all of a sudden something else. Thinking about it again. And they could have done that, and it would have been so effective to see how he wasn't this perfect boyfriend that was there all the time.

She had doubts, she had a lot of doubts. One of the victims were called being hit with a crutch and that he was using crutches. Yep. And she said she found crutches in a room in his house and he had not broken his leg. And she was like, why are you not crutches? She reached under the seat of his car once when he was, she was getting into it and there was a hatchet under his car seat.

Can you imagine you get into your boyfriend's car and there's a damn hatchet? Nope. I'd be like, I am super busy for the rest of ever. Yeah. And when she asked him, she literally goes, uh, what's this for, Ted? Like, literally, which I was like, badass, I would have been like, I don't know. I really don't kill me with this, Ted. He said something like, I use it to help my, I help my landlord or my parents or something like that chop wood or something like that. I'd be like, interesting that you've never mentioned that.

He came up with a very like normal excuse that you could. And now that was the problem. It's like throughout the whole book, Liz is sitting there going, all his excuses could make sense sometimes. Right. So she was being like, am I crazy?

Am I being this crazy person? Right. Or is he telling the truth? And that would have been so good to have in the movie. She also found the plaster of Paris in a drawer. Crazy. And when she asked him about it, she was like, hey, why do you have plaster? Like medical grade plaster of Paris?

Yeah. He was like, oh, I stole it. He goes, I don't know why, but I stole it from when he was working in like a medical supply place. I'd be like, that makes no sense to explain first. Well, she was like weird and he was like, well, you just never know when you're gonna break your leg, right? And they like, she said they both like laughed about it.

We're like, ah-ha-ha. And really funny that your club don't make me act. But later she brought that up to a police officer. I was like, oh, you said that somebody had a cast? Like, that would make a cast. Girl. And at one point, she saw him, like caught him stealing a crowbar from her house

and he used a crowbar in a couple of them. That's so fucked up. Now, Joe Beringer, the director, said that this was because he didn't use any of that, because he wanted to shock the audience in the end when Liz finally finds out what he did. He said that no one is shocked. We all know what happened. Exactly. He said he wanted to make the audience like real back and discuss Liz because they had been lulled into this sense that he was this decent guy, at least in his relationship with Liz.

He said if he had shown Liz finding some weird, or fucked up shit in the beginning half of the film, that we wouldn't be as disgusted in the end, he was like, where is he still would of? He said, quote, I want each audience member to have that conflicted feeling, like, oh my God, I'm rooting for this guy. And then to have the experience by the film's end

of being conflicted and disgusted by the idea that they actually liked the guy. It's the experience of everyone who is gaslit by Ted Bundy. I do kind, I mean, I guess I can see that he did do that with the movie. For sure, he did. But the thing is, we know he's disgusting and we're all ready. So like, we know that. We didn't need to be lulled with untrue stuff. Like that would have been great

if it was a different movie, not about Ted Bundy. Yeah. And he didn't lull us all with facts. Right. That's my problem. He took a little too much artistic. You took some liberties here and you skipped over a lot of things.

Right. It's like for convenience. So you falsely l, low, low, distance. Because you took away all the dark moments that were there that still loved people. Right. I'm going to use the word low,

low and I keep tripping over it. But low, low, low, you could have low, less with that. You're called a, call the law, because he tricked people with that. Right. So it's like you could have just gone with the facts.

I see what he wanted to do. I just don't agree with the fact that he did it. No. It's like we would have been discussed in regardless. And the movie is called Shockingly Evil Vile Wicked Gross Eel. It's like why didn't you just make it Shockingly Wicked Gross Eel and vile the whole time? Exactly. gross eels. It's like why didn't you just make it shockingly with your gross eels and file the whole time. Exactly. And while I hated the idea of negating all the clues that was found,

one thing I did like was I liked that dog barking at him. I loved that. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Growing at him. Loved it. And Beringer said that was his way of saying he was a bad guy without having Liz find a severed head or something. Right. Right. And Barronger said that was his way of saying he was a bad guy without having Liz find a severed head or something. Right, right, right. And I love that. But I think they could have also played true to the real events with that too. And that still would have been as effective.

Which, because I would have been like, keep that in there for sure. Because you want to be like, oh, even animals know he's a fucking monster. But you also need like a few little, even if he didn't use all of the things, like I'm not saying he had to use every single thing that she found. That would be overkill. Yeah. But just like two or three. Yeah.

Two or three events that happened. They said, give me a little montage of her finding things. And that's fine. Like other than, like, literally, I feel like he took the fact that they met and the fact that she found out. And then everything else in between, I was like, it was not hunky-dory. No. Why are you acting like it was and they made it seem like it was this Perfect relationship right like ideal. Yeah, and that is shitless I feel when she was crying in the shower. I was like I'm crying

Again now like damn With you like I'm crying for you. Yeah like damn, with you. Like I'm crying for you. Yeah. They just, I wanted them to explore the doubts that Liz was living with. Right. Because this again was supposed to be about her.

They keep claiming this was about her, but it wasn't. Mm-mm. And it's like, if it was about her then they would have spent time on the hell that she was going through in her own inner sanctum there. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Because she was dealing with this massive pile of evidence that were piling up around

her and it wasn't even touched. It just, you know, so she just looks totally blind to the entire thing when she wasn't. She was smart. I mean, she was being naive in a way when it comes to him because she was blinded by love for him, which it's true Yeah, that happens to a lot of people. I mean, we can all test that but She wasn't dumb. No, she was putting these things together and I feel like it just made her seem a little dumb too naive

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Like when Ted calls Lizard or Office at one point, you can see that photo of Liz and Ted that's kind of infamous at this point. And when they zoom in on it, they recreated. It was that picture of the two of them sitting by the fire that everybody is seeing of Liz and Ted. And they recreated it with Zach Efron and Lily Collins. It was that picture of the two of them sitting by the fire. Yeah. That everybody is seeing a piece of Ted. And they recreated it with Zach Efron and Lily Collins. It was great.

It was so perfect. Yeah, it was spot on. And it was like sitting on her desk and when I saw it, I was like, oh, I know that photo. Like, that's the photo everybody knows. So I like that. And it was like sitting on her desk and when I saw it, I was like, oh, I know that photo. Like, that's the photo everybody knows. So I like that. And like I said, when he grew the beard, he like, oh, I know that photo. That's the photo everybody knows. So I liked that.

And like I said, when he grew the beard, he looked so much like Bundy that like, it was uncanny. It like shocked me. I didn't know what to say. The part when Bundy jumped, when he escaped by jumping out of the window of the lot, like, because that was true, that was all true. Yeah.

And they did that perfectly. They did both escapes, great. I mean, they that was all true. Yeah. And they did that perfectly. They did both escapes, great. I mean, they even dressed him perfectly. Yeah, it's like that. The, what's it called? Cardigan was perfect. It was. I was like, did you borrow that from that?

I know it's like, is this film footage from it? And I was dying because they made the deputy who allowed that to happen. Look like such a dingus. And he had to open it. Because honestly happen. Look like such a dingus. And he had to. Because honestly that dude was a fucking dingus. Like he deserved that kind of portrayal because it's still to this day. I'm like, how did you let that happen?

Yeah. I don't know. Well, also, why was there only like one person watching him? Well, it's like, because you would think that this person could watch him. Yeah. And it's like what it's a very interesting how much Ted Bundy was able to kind of weigh with. He was very lucky. Because he charmed his, and it wasn't, no, it wasn't luck.

Yeah, it was charming. He charmed, and he, he was, he was maniacal, and he, he was good at being bad. A mud, unfortunately. So that, that first escape out of the law library, I thought was perfectly done. I liked it. I loved it. The second escape, when he escapes out of the law library, I thought was perfectly done. I liked it. Loved it. The second escape, when he escapes out of prison, that bothered me. Because when he goes through the tunnel and the ceiling, all of it was perfect.

That was great. Except that they didn't address the huge weight loss that was the huge part of that. I thought that when I was watching it and I got really aggravated. He lost to what like 35 pounds? Yeah, something like that. Something like crazy. Because he had to fit through that hole that he made. And the way he did it was he went on a hunger strike.

So and it's like, why didn't you have him go on? Like why didn't you show him go on the hunger strike? In fact, they showed him eating. Because that was a, well, that was like a big part of his escape. Yeah. Like it wasn't just something that like you could get, I feel like it just wasn't something you could get away with not putting in the film.

Exactly. Like his two escapes are really a big part of his, not legacy, but his like, infinite, yeah, his infinite. And then yeah, and like the losing like 35 pounds or whatever it was They he was a lot of weight He went in a short amount of time, too Yeah, and when they caught him again, he looked so gaunt and like sickly

But then they show Zac Efron all buff and like right I was like, okay I mean that's nitpicking and I mean I do get it because obviously Zac Efron couldn't like do that Well, I know we've't know. They do. But I think they only filmed this in like, I think it was like 20 days or something crazy. Yeah, they filmed it in a short period of time. Wow. So I guess he could drop all that weight. Right. And so in the part where they get his dental impressions, did that aggravate you? It's slightly. Okay.

But then again, I'm and I will fully admit, I might be Nick picking little things and other people aren't going to be. Well, it's because you're like, no, I'm fine. I'm like, hey, but it's like this just annoyed me because I was like, I don't know this. So because some of these things that I'm nitpicking, I'm like, they just could have been like tweaked and it would have been fine. It's not a big deal. So they did ambush Ted to get his bite impression.

Oh, they did in real life. But it's because when they first requested them, he said, no. So they requested them from him and he was like, nah. So then they got a search warrant and they came by surprise to get them because they were worried that he was going to grind his teeth down before they could get the... Which he totally would have done. Yeah. So that scene was pretty accurate,

except the way the Zach reacted to it. Because Zach played it like, what is, what are you doing? Yeah. What are they doing? What is happening right now? Like he had like no idea that this was even on the table. Right, right, right. And it's like, but idea that this was even on the table. But they needed, right, right. And it's like, but Ted totally knew because he refused it already. And he knew that they got a search warrant. He just didn't know when they were going to come. So I think I was like,

I'm sure he was super pissed when they ambushed him for it. But like, he wasn't shocked. Yeah, the only thing was the wrong, it was the wrong reaction. It was just the wrong reaction. And again, that's a nitpick. I will give that like, hello, my name is Elaine. I'm nitpicking. No, I could see where that would actually be. It's just so slight. It's a small thing, but it could have.

And I feel like it's really slight, but it also kind of made it seem like he was even more innocent to somebody who doesn't know this thing. Yeah, yeah. Because it made him seem like, what? Why would you need my bi-pressions? What? But in reality, he knew he bit one of the women.

Right. So he wasn't shocked that they needed his bite impression. He was like, oh, shit, I can't give them this. But in the movie, it looks like he didn't know that that was evidence. Right. Because he didn't do it. So why would he need that? Yep.

And that's a really good point. That's a really good point. That's why I bought them. And of course, like the films fed a ton of time on him representing him, representing himself in court, which they did a really good job with. I have to say they did a really great, this is just me being an idiot, but they did a really great job with all his outfits. No, they did. No, they did. They did a great job with the outfits. No, the wardrobe was spot. Like that costume designer deserves an award.

They really did like that, it was spot on. Perfect. Like his stupid bow ties and shit. And even like the brown fucking sweater. Yeah. Like I was like that, you know, that's the sweater. That's it. That's it.

The cardigan. Everything. I was like, yes. That blew my mind. And they did a really good job of like having him be the way he was. Like Zach Efron did an amazing job. Especially with like all the girls in the courtroom. Yeah, and like playing to them and playing to the audience.

And like the weird like thing that the him and the judge had. Yeah. Which was so real. Yeah. In real life they had had that. Yeah. Which is really concerning. Yeah.

He was like, you're a really bright man. Yeah. And like I was like, uh, which is and it like, if you watched that and didn't know the case, you'd be like, he didn't say that. Well, I kind of question it. And I had to look at an actual video from it. And I was like, he actually said all that. He told me he would have been a great lawyer.

Yeah. And he said he would have loved to with that. But then he was like, you're a waste of humanity. And then he's like, you're gross, you. And shockingly wicked detail. And again, they did an amazing time with that, but they didn't portray,

like they kind of put them as the picture perfect together, guy who could charm the entire time, but for a lot of it, like sure he was, he was great together and he really did act like a lawyer. Yeah. But there was also insane moments of him acting totally bananas in court. Right. But they didn't none of that was shown. Mm-hmm. Like he turned it into a circus at times.

Right. Well, and it was like- And they didn't really show that. No. Like there were times when you were like your bonkers. Like the whole time they were in court in the movie, I was kind of bored to be honest. Yeah. Because it was just him like vamping to everybody everybody. Yeah, which he did again that was it, but there was also Like a hearts where he was like, yeah, just show him being a little banana sometimes where you're like, okay That's not charming. You're just weird. It's being like, because there were times where you were like, uh, huh? It'd reel it back in. Yeah, like him looking that picture of him looking at the bite impressions is one of the best pictures ever.

Because he's like examining it. So creep. Now at the end of the movie, which I know Ash has really intense feelings. I have super intense feelings about the ending. By the time it was over, like if I hadn't have been pissed like the whole entire movie, by the time I got to the end, I was like, nope, I'm done. Like I'm finished here. I am done. And of course we're talking about the whole what happened to her head.

First of all, she didn't visit him when he was on death row. And certainly not 10 years later. When I was like, that didn't happen. Like, don't make it seem that like it happened like that. When he was about to die like a week or so before. Yeah, no. That didn't. And she was like, they're gonna fry you, Ted. Yeah, and it's like no, she knew at that point what he was done. He was, she was happily married.

I personally, when she, when she asked what happened to her head and he like takes the beat and she says like, free me, you need to release me. Yeah. And he breathes on the glass and like slowly wrote, hacksaw. I was like, that's awesome. I loved the cinematic take that they took on that for sure.

I hated it. It was impactful when he wrote it on the glass. It really was because you were like, oh, like you're just like holy shit. I didn't even feel like that though, because I was like, this didn't happen. Well, that's the, but in real, that's the reality is that didn't happen.

Like I was pissed that they made that a thing. And again, I, I liked it. I'm okay with some artistic liberties being taken. I think I would have been if the whole thing, like wasn't, it was. That's the thing. If so many hadn't been taken and things skipped over, I think I would have enjoyed that

more. And I also saw that and I was like, oh man, this would have been a great scene in some thriller horror movie Slasher flick. When you say that, I agree, but I definitely did not feel like that. For me, it was literally the cherry on top of my life. You were excited. I'm angry. Yeah.

See, when I looked at it, I was like, this is a great scene. I will hand this to this director. I loved it was literally the cherry on top of my life. You were excited. I'm angry. Yeah, see, when I looked at it, I was like, this is a great scene. I will hand this to this director. I loved it. It gave me chills, but it would have been so much better in a film that wasn't based in reality. Right. Like, if you put it in some like fictional thriller,

I would have been like, who the shit? That was a great scene. Yeah. Because it was so quiet. And it was very like silence of the shit? That was a great scene. Yeah. Because it was so quiet. It was very like silence of the land. Yeah, it was. And that's in again, that would have been a perfect place. Right. It would have been good in a movie like that. But it's like, eh. And Ted was set.

This is the thing. It's like they used it that way instead of the way it actually happened, where he didn't tell Liz about the head. He told investigators about the head. Right. He told one of the investigators that he disposed of one of the victim's head heads in Liz's fireplace. Jesus Christ. He claimed he burned it.

So he said, quote, of all the things I did to Liz, this is probably the one she is least likely to forgive me for. Poor Liz. Shit. That's what he told the detective. That would have been a fucking awesome ending, right? If that's how they ended it.

If he just sat there and was like, poor Liz. If they ended the movie and, like, I'm even a, I'm pissed right now. Right? That would have been so much better. Because then it also would have ended on Liz. About Liz. Right. It would have been like, pour Liz. Like, like wrap up the movie, pour Liz.

And then it just leaves, because that would have not only left you on Liz, but it also would have left you with 10 bodies of monster. Oh my god, he's a monster. Like that would have been like, the shebang, like right there. Yep.

And yeah, that's the, so basically my like biggest thing with this is it just didn't focus enough on his psyche. Right, not at all. It stayed more within. It didn't show him as like a, like a two-faced, like two multiple personality guy. Exactly. It just focused on making him look innocent and railroaded. Yeah. Which I know the director is saying that was kind of his intent to kind of shock you at the end. He did a great job with his intent.

I just didn't like it. He did. Because it's throughout the film, I was wavering between being like really frustrated and really impressed by the fact that I could not reconcile this person with a vicious killer. Right. Like, there were times where I was like, this is annoying me because we're not showing you how he is. I know what he wants. But then there were times where I was like, wow, Zach, Zach,

our friends do a great job at making me work. Yeah, I thought the actors were great. So it's because again, exactly. Zach was great. Lily was great. Mm-hmm. I mean, the girl who played Carolina, Boone was great. The John Malcovitch playing the judge was great.

Her friend Joanne, there was great. I mean, I really didn't see a bad actor. Oh my god, not because of the acting, but I fucking hated Carolyn Boone. I was like, you're so annoying and pathetic. That's her in real life though. Yeah, no, I agree. And she was great. And she looked just like, oh my god, it was like scary. It really was. I was like, holy shit. But in the whole movie, at no point, are you like, oh yeah, he's a necrophile. I forgot about, holy shit. But in the whole movie, at no point, are you like, oh yeah, he's a necrophile. I forgot about that.

Yeah, they never once mentioned that. And you just can't even like reconcile that with the character that they know. I would have been like, that's not true. Zach Efron does not do that. Which, like I'm saying, I'm annoyed by it, but I will also give it it's like the do here that like, yeah, they didn't, because I'm I mean nobody

walking past that you know Zach have fun. Nobody walking past had money on the street would be like that guy's probably an aircraft. Yeah I don't think that very often when I walk past people on the street. So I can't even I can't get too mad at that part because I'm like alright you did do your job. I didn't. But also you named the fucking movie Shocking you evil wicked vile nasty eo gross and you didn't once mentioned that he was an echo file Exactly that could have helped along with your time. I just think it was a missed opportunity Totally just to put that you put it at the end. Yeah to really make the audience go like Really did that the whole time and then I saw somebody comment on our Instagram, and I'm sorry, I didn't write down exactly who it was,

but you'll know who you are. They wrote down that they just thought of the fact that the whole time he was little Liz, he was also having sex with dead corpses, and that Liz has to know that now. And I was like, oh my God. I never thought about that. Thought about that.

Isn't that bonkers? Whoever said that, you blew my mind. I have been following and researching this case for like decades and I never once put those two things together that Liz now knows that throughout their relationship. Like, she's just like mouth open blinking right? I can't. Isn't that crazy? This is why I love our listeners man. I need to take a shower now. I gotta go. This is why I love our listeners because you guys bring me into these head spaces that are like I didn't even think of it that way before I would never feel clean again Never never I would burn my body off never never think about it again

Yeah, and that's gonna stick with you now if you're going to ruin Thank you. Thank you person who's on that. I'm ruined like I Ruined gives me the heaps just thinking about it. Wow. Can we talk about the fact that they not once mentioned Anne Rool? I know it's not a biggie, but I'm like a little pissed about it. No, I am too. And it's kind of a biggie.

They should have put that, even just give me like a little scene. Just a little, just a little scene of him working out like the hotline and like show her. That was a big part. And it was. It was. And it also would have been like, wow, he worked in a hotline, like what a great, yeah. Like, what a great team. I don't know.

I was just pissed that they didn't mention it. Yeah. Cause I mean, Liz only really mentions her in passing and her memoir. So I guess they were going straight off of that. Well, they weren't though. Exactly. But it's like, you took artistic liberties elsewhere.

You might as well put Anne Ruling there. She would have been a great character. Everybody loves stranger beside me. Everybody loves Anne Rul. put Anne Rulan there. She would have been a great character. Everybody loves Stranger beside me. Everybody loves Anne Rulan. Bring Anne Rulan's damage. She is a damage. Debit. And Debit. Put that on the shirt. Anne Rulan's Debit.

Anne Rulan's Debit. That would be a great choice. Great choice. I'd wear it. We're coming up with a lot of sure and ideas. We're going to make these. Murder a peril. Hey, feels me. I did also love after that faithful scene, the hacksaw scene, uh, when Liz walks

into the hallway and just kind of collapses at the end. I think I was so checked out at that point that I just was like, maybe scrolling through Instagram. Well, and this is also, and she collapses in the after talking to Tis, after talking to Tis, after talking to Tis. After talking to Tid and hearing that, you know, he saw it off a girl, said with a hacksaw. She walks into the hallway and she just kind of like collapses and then they do this like quick little like montage where she's just like flashing through all the moments between them. And she was flashing through like

times where he was around her daughter. Yeah. And they showed that one part where, which by the way, the beginning of the movie where she like brings him home, just meeting him to wear her two-year-old daughter is sleeping. And that actually happened, which I was like, whoa, this, yeah, I cease. I mean, And that actually happened, which I was like, whoa, this. Yeah, I see. I mean, okay. But if you're best life girl, then I was like, wow, that was a lot. Great choice.

And when she wakes up in the morning and the crib is empty, my heart, my stomach dropped. And they show like, and it's like I even knew what happened. Right, I was gonna shoot this okay. And I was still like, oh God. Yeah, like it made me sick. And she was going through all the times like him dancing with her daughter

and just like taking care of her daughter. Yeah. And it was probably totally like the mom in me, but I was like, I was, it made me like sick to my stomach. Yeah, I definitely did that. I was like physically sick. Because if I ever had to think about that with my own children, no, I would be a god damn us literally.

So watching that I was like, wow, that was really impactful. The way they did that, because you were just like, oh, because you think about Liz, that does, I will give it to them that that is a good way to end it too, because you did sit there and immediately go, holy shit, Liz has all of these in her brain forever. Like burned into her. Yeah, and she's probably constantly just thinking about that. When she probably has like constant flashbacks even still, constantly second-guessing herself. And so I did like that. So I think...

And Ron and Tomatoes the score. And results. 47%. Wow, that's pretty good. I was yeah, you know what I'll give it Maybe 30 32 32% I like 32 better. Oh, I was gonna give it a little more. I was gonna say I was gonna give it like a Will you like to the hacksaw part? I didn't I'm gonna give it like a 52% oh You know what what's the average of somebody right in and tell me what the average of 42, 47 and 32 is, and I'm gonna give it that percentage, okay?

Well, I'm giving it the 52 because the acting was amazing. The casting was amazing. The wardrobe was amazing. They did get a lot of stuff right. And when they focused on the real stuff, they were really good. And some of the artistic license I was okay with, like, the dog. But I think I saw only when I was okay with it. And I was, I can't even say I'm okay with the hack saw thing. I liked it. I liked it. I wasn't okay with it. I'm so against it.

Mainly because it's just like he didn't admit that to this. So I just bought that question. But I want to see what everybody else thinks of that. I'm conflicted on the hacksaw thing. But uh, and you know, my I have a lot of nitpicky things and I'll admit that. And then really the only things that I'm like really down down on were, you know, inaccuracies and things left out. And the general way that they portrayed him in the film,

I guess, which is kind of a big deal, but I think Zach kind of made up for it with his acting skills. I think the acting was great. I just think the whole screenplay had just sucked. Yeah, so in the end, not my favorite. 10 out of 10 would not watch it. Yeah, not my favorite. I would not 10 would not watch it. Yeah, not my favorite.

I would not recommend it to people. I wouldn't either. Especially, and that's, I think that's really telling us, if anybody asked me what to watch for a 10-bundee case, I would definitely not recommend this as true crime, like research or crime. Well, it's just so inaccurate. It's just, it's not an accurate representation of it.

So I would never recommend it to somebody who wanted to find out about the case. I'm really mad that we didn't direct this. I think we should direct our own Ted Bundy. Honestly, I think we would kill it. No pun intended. Next project 2020 done. You like this podcast? To enjoy our movie.

Thank you and good night. About Ted Bundy, where we will do it better. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We have us railroading this. Yeah, we've enjoyed watching. We wanted to let everybody catch up and watch it to do before we did this so that everybody could kind of be along with us.

But it's been interesting to read everybody else's takes on this. And a lot of people, I mean, because again, we're not saying it's like 100% the worst movie and the whole thing. No, I'm super open to hearing other people's opinions. Yeah, because even you and I had like a couple different opinions.

We did, I think it's cool that you enjoyed the last part. Yeah, and I see what, like I see your side. Exactly, and I see why you didn't like it. Right, because I'm so conflicted on it that I totally see both of those sides. So I think this has been an interesting ride. Yeah. And just a quick note, before we thank our patronesses for the episode, we have been so in love with

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Yeah, I'm gonna say about that. You're fucking cool, Kate. Thank you. Thank you, Kate. Next is Laura Dion. Laura Dion. Or Dione. I think it's Laura D. Laura Dion or Dion. I think it's Laura D.

Laura D, you're the best. Laura D! I give you an A. Oh, it's just gonna say that. But I said it first. A plus for you, Laura. Yes, girl. Thank you.

Thank you. And then we have Wendy Mueller or Mueller. Wendy, Mueller or Mueller. I'm gonna say Mueller because it looks like Mueller. It does muller or muller. I'm gonna say muller because it looks like muller. It does and that's a cool name. I think that's one of our family names. It is one of our family names. That's cool.

We got some mullers in there. So you know, Wendy. So you know, Wendy. So you know, Wendy. Next is Zenet Sexton. Ooh, Zenet. Thank you, Zenet. Thanks for bringing your cool name to us.

I just wanna say that over and over again. Thank you, Zinette. Thank you, Zinette. Thank you. And then we have Shannon Madonna. Thank you, Shannon. Shannon Madonna, are you Vogan right now? Shannon, you are smart. And is pretty,

and is very sustainable. and- And print, and- And print, and- And print, and- And print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- print, and- Kelly. Oh, Kelly. Kelly. Are you Irish? I bet you are. I bet all my dollars. There's not many of them, but I bet them. But thank you, Jess. Thank you, Jess. Then we have Heather Whitney.

Heather Whitney, you are as great as Brittany. Oh, that's a good compliment. Oops, I did it again. Oops, Heather. Oops, Heather, you did it. And then, thank you Victoria, Borersford. Victoria, Borersford. I like the name Victoria. I was literally just gonna say Victoria is such like a strong like, yeah, just bad bitch name. Yeah, bad bitch. It really is.

I love it. So thank you, Victoria. Thank you. Then we have Raven Men's House. Ooh, Raven Men's House. That's a cool name. That is amazing. You belong. 100%. Yeah, hey, Raven. Raven, Raven to top name. Raven.

I also... So Raven. Funny story. I have Ravens who live outside my house and I named them Ted and Eileen. How fitting. Yeah, thank you. Look at that.

You brought it full circle. Next is Catherine O'Donnell. Catherine O'Donnell, another O. Are you Irish? Betcha! All the O's are Irish. Your Irish or you married into an Irish family? True. She also spells it RYN and then I like that way. Oh, I like that, yeah. And then we have Joan Cattaldo. Joan Cattaldo. I had a crush on somebody with the last name Cattaldo at one point in my life. Did you? I did. Look at that. I had a crush on somebody with the last name Cataldo at one point in my life. Did you? I did. Look at that. She has a crush on you too. I have a crush on you too. Love you Joan. Thanks Joan. Thanks Joan. All right guys, last one for this week. Thank you so much for listening if you've listened this far.

Sarah Hafer, we wanted to end on you because you're awesome. It's true. I love you. I love you. You are safer. I love you. Than anything we've ever seen. Sarah Hafer is safer. And she likes vanilla wafer. She does. I know it. Thank you, Sarah.

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