Morbid - Episode 66: Jasmine Richardson & Jeremy Steinke Part 1

Episode Date: May 18, 2019

This was an unexpected two-parter but the details of this absolutely bonkers and tragic tale were too fascinating to neglect. In Part 1 we cover the downward spiral of 12 year-old Jasmine Richardson and her plummet into darkness after meeting self professed 300 year-old werewolf, Jeremy Steinke. We end this first part with the tragic murders of Jasmine’s family. Fair warning, there is a child involved in this horrific case. Make sure you check out our sponsors Murder Apparel and use our code MORBID for a special weirdo discount. Grab out exclusive Morbid t-shirt while you are there! Sources: https://www.mamamia.com.au/jasmine-richardson/ https://allthatsinteresting.com/jasmine-richardson Runaway Devil: How Forbidden Love Drove a 12-Year-Old to Murder Her Family by Robert Remington See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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two-part episode. So this this two-part is going to be out Friday for part one and then either Saturday or Sunday for part two depending on whether my children allow me to edit faster. Yes. Either way, there's really only going to be like a day between the parts. So, so the reason this is a two-part episode is because I found a book on this case and the book sucked me in and I read it in like a night and then there was so many details in it that I don't want to leave out. The book is called Run Away Devil by Robert Remington, and that name is going to make sense later in this case. It's a really great book, really disturbing, but really well done. I'm going to sum this up for everybody.

The reason that this is two parts is because Olin is a savage psycho. A psycho savage, if you will. How many pages in oats do I have? 21. 21. 21. 21 pages in oats. That's insane. So, uh, 21 savages a wrapper. So like, you have 21 pages of notes and your a savage. So maybe I am that wrapper. I mean, maybe this is my way of telling you that. Wow. I know. It's like when Ron Swanson is, uh, is Duke Silver. Yes. Yes. It's exactly like that.

Wow. Oh, Happy Bladed Mother's Day to every mother form out there. Yeah, whether you're a pet mom, a birth mom, a step parent, a foster mom, whether you just want a mom figure of some sort. A podcast mom like myself. Yeah kids, but I have a podcast. She's all your moms. I'm your mom. That's scary. That's really terrifying. It's scary. Good luck with your life. But either way we didn't get to wish you on the day. So we

just wanted to wish a happy believe it to all the moms out there. So let's let's tell you what this case is. Yeah, let's do it. That you're going to be listening to for two episodes. So this is the case of Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Stanky. Stanky or stanky. Like Stanky chops Ramirez, but different call back call back. Hi-oh. So this is a pretty insane case. Fair warning, it involves a child's.

Trigger warning. Very, very brutal, but it's fascinating. And it's brief. That part. Yeah, that, oh, no. No. Not super brief. I mean, it's pretty brutal.

Nothing's brief with you. It's pretty brutal. So just fair warning on that. I will give you, you know, I'll try to give you a warning when I'm about to say the kid part, just in case you want to skip over it. I know some people don't like listening to that. But either way, we're going to do this as respectfully as we possibly can, like always. So put your seatbelt on, put your car and drive and start on your commute. Do it right now. So this be this case takes place in this is an amazing name for a place. Medicine hat. Is that a true thing? It's a true thing. Medicine hats. And Alberta, Canada. Alberta. So for our Canadian listeners, this one's for you. So anybody from medicine hat,

let us know because that's a pretty rad place to be from I think. That is really cool. So this, the actual murders took place on April 23rd 2006. So this isn't super crazy old. No, it's really not. We're gonna start you off by painting a little picture. A little boy named Gareth was excited at the possibility of playing with his best friend an extor neighbor, eight year old Jacob Richardson. They had planned to sleep over the night before at Jacob's house, but they had to cancel it because Gareth got the chance

to go to a hockey game with his grandma. So he ran over to his friend's house the next morning because he saw that his dad's truck was in the driveway. And he was like, Mom, can I go play with Jacob? And his mom was like, totally. So his mom Sarah said he came, he all of a sudden came running back to her and said, quote, Mommy, there's bodies at Jacob's house with blood on them. I saw them through the basement window. Awesome. That's a good way to start your day as a mom.

Just starting it off. He had her come with him and pointed to the basement window. She peered in and saw the body of a man she was later found out was Jacob's father, Mark. Oh, God. Lying face up on the floor, he was only clad in black boxer shorts and he was covered in blood from head to toe, especially his face. His arms were raised up in a fighting position, like a boxer, like still raised. Oh wow. And she also saw the body of Jacob's mother, Debra, behind a couch, and she was also covered in blood, at least

from the waist down from what she could see. Of course, she freaked out and immediately called the police. Yes, good. So let's talk about the Richardson family. Okay. The Richardson family was a super happy, very normal family. Actually, very, very normal, very happy. The two parents actually, before they had kids and actually before they met each other, they were both recovering substance abusers. But they completely, they both attended

like lots around them. And they literally totally turned it around. I love that. Met each other, had this happy sober existence and found spirituality and all this cool stuff. Had kids, everyone around them said they were like the happiest couple ever. They were just being sober and being happy and having a family. They were happy being happy.

They're just happy being happy. Like they weren't some of those assholes that are just bummed being happy. If you ever find yourself happy that you're happy, turn left. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it ends well. Don't do it. And again, nothing of note with them, nothing sinister hiding behind the curtain. They were literally a happy family. There was nothing hiding that you're like, oh, there's that dark shit.

But were they happy? They were, they were like, I'd say they were happy. Okay. You're painting a happy photo of Bob Ross style. Am I good? Because I was hoping that I was hoping it would come off as happy. I need you to stop saying happy because I feel free. It's lost. It's lost though.

Not even. It just feels attacking at this point. It's very aggressive at this point. I'm like, you were fucking happy. Like happy the client. Basically, they were just a simple conventional family. Two loving parents, two well-adjusted, seemingly happy. Stop.

Children. Someone's gonna say happy tomorrow and I'm gonna punch them in the face. Like no. Shut up. So the father of Mark was 42. The mother Debra was 48. They had a daughter and she was a little little get a girl. And she was gorgeous.

Cougars are sometimes gorgeous. Like seriously, they had a daughter Jasmine who was 12 years old. Okay. And they had a son Jacob who was eight. Okay. So a neighbor told me to get friends by chance. I bet they did.

I see it. I feel like they did. Even if they didn't like physically have one. They had one. Yeah. So a neighbor told the Edmonton Journal that the Richardson's were literally quote, like a Norman Rockwell family.

You don't know what that is. No, I've heard that before. It's a show. It's a painting. Yep. It's a painting. Yes, I knew it was one of the two things. You don't even have to know.

I know. I'm not ashamed of who I am. I always live what I know When you know because I just don't say anything and then I look off in the distance Two avoid eye contact. I wish everyone listening could like see that when it happens because it's great Oh, I know what Norman Rockwell is a painting. That's what they were they're on puzzles, I think okay Either way, that's what they were. I'm fucking new. So just to give you a little bit of background about, you know, them as people, because these are the victims that we're talking about.

Mark was born in a French-speaking Catholic family and raised in Sudbury. He had four sisters and a brother. The sisters were Joyce Paulette, Monique Carroll, and the brother was Paul. Love it. He met Deborah in 1990 while they were both working out at a gym in Sudbury. They were soon married in Toronto before moving out west to medicine hat Alberta after 15 years of marriage. Shut up. Mark worked as an instrumentation technician in the oil and gas industry. Mark worked as an instrumentation technician in the oil and gas industry. In 2003, he had been promoted after working diligently taking engineering classes. He was described as a bear of a man with a bushy mustache and dark hair. He was a handsome dude.

Debra was described as beautiful. Same. Wow. I. Just kidding. I'm totally kidding. And people said she was literally perky and happy to the point of awkwardness. Oh, legit nobody says that about me. Like, it's to the point of awkwardness.

She was very interested in native spirituality and research things like medicine wheels, dream catchers, and like, you know, different kind of medicinal ceremonies and stuff. She was like all about that stuff. I bet she would have gone to that essential oil party you went to. For sure, she would have. Yeah. And she was also into Wicca, which is cool. Which is cool. Actually.

She was known for her quote, megawatt smile. And irrepressible, effusive personality. Wow. And she sounded great. Yeah, the people said they never saw her in a bad mood. She worked cleaning houses for a while, but she was setting herself up to launch her own business at home where she wanted to offer raky classes.

Oh, no way. Yeah, she even set up a holistic therapy studio. Wow, even back then. I feel like raky's like, I always thought it was kind of like a new thing. Yeah, but this is in 2006. Yeah, but I feel like I've just like recently started here, but that's really cool. No, it's like an ancient thing.

Yeah. I knew that. Like, I feel like Ricky's new. No, like I know that it's, it's just trendy right now. No, I know what you mean. just trendy right now. It's what I know it's a mean. So she had even set up a holistic therapy studio on the basement of their home. One thing people agreed on is that she

was one of the sweetest people they had ever met. But she was also a lioness when it came to her kids. Oh, she protected the shit of that. She would not let anyone mess with her kids. I would say that about you. Hell yeah. That's a huge compliment. You're welcome. In October, 1993, they had Jasmine

their first child, a daughter. Their oldest Jasmine was happy, outgoing, super sweet. She went to a Christian school where teachers and peers described her as a good girl and a good student. Friends pointed out that when she moved to medicine hat, she made an effort immediately to put friend people and make them feel involved and special. Like she was just one of those girls that was like, I will reach out to people. I will be friend whoever.

She was also described as a beautiful girl with her mother's amazing smile, pale blue eyes and long dark hair. Pictures of her? She was gorgeous. Yeah. I see. And fix. Her bedroom was what one would expect from a preteen girl. Black. That I just described. I'm just kidding. It was happy pink full of stuffed animals like unicorns, you know, bears, kittens. Sparkles. She had a canopy bed with white lace canopy on it. Lisa Frank notebooks everywhere. Yeah, like just wholesomeness.

Yeah, just a wholesome room. Diaries. She was part of her school's fine arts program and initially, and she loved to draw and make music. Oh cool. Very creative. She also loved her mother's interests, like Raky, crystals, meditation.

And she actually became as interested in wicas as well. So Jacob, eight year old Jacob was known as the class clown. Yes, love it. This family is awesome. Right. He was a typical hilarious little boy. She's going to go down, I feel. Yeah, it's all going to be bad.

Well, I know that it did. He loved pretending to be a Jedi and he loved talking. In his kindergarten yearbook, he wrote quote, when I grow up, I want to be a Jedi and he loved hockey. Shut up. In his kindergarten yearbook, he wrote, quote, when I grow up, I want to be a policeman or a soldier. The thing I like best about me is that I have a great family and I am very fast.

My heart. Isn't it just so pure? My heart. My heart. Like it's so pure. I'm broken. Jasmine was said to adore Jacob. Friends of the family said she played with them all the time.

She was a good big sister. He looked up to her like just a nice family. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. It's all gonna go to shit. I feel that. I feel it. Because Jasmine was entering early adolescence around this time. Never good. That's when she can go either, okay, or real bad. I don't think it ever goes okay. Yeah. As someone who went through early adolescence, sorry, dad. I was an asshole to my dad for like, so long. It's early out of less than 10.

He'd be like, good morning, I'd be like, fuck you. Wow. That's tough. Not necessarily like that, but. Well, Jasmine kind of did the same thing. She, she eased into her, uh, her badness. Actually, she started getting interested in like, goth culture, but mainly the artistic side of it. Okay. She got into the bands, the band, the misfits, like, you know, cradle of filth. Yes. Slip not, like all those kind of bad.

Oh, she started wearing more black and such, but not acting out too much, just getting into the culture. She was just vibing. She was just feeling stuff out. One thing about Jasmine, though, is that she looked a lot older than 12. She matured very early physically, which is hard. I don't know that because I think I just matured physically

like last year. I can resonate with that a little bit, I think. Yeah, I think you can definitely more than I can, but not, I'm maybe not as much as Jasmine. Yeah, I definitely can't. Well, actually, research studies have shown that girls who hit puberty and develop earlier than their peers are more at risk for delinquency and aggressive behavior.

Oh. They can also be way more moodier, depressed, and become socially withdrawn, and act out sexually. Interesting. And I think it's because you just start feeling so uncomfortable in your body and you don't know what's happening. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. that would make sense. Oh God, I hope that doesn't happen on my kids someday. Like, I want you all to remember, throughout this entire thing, that Jazz Minus 12 years old. Just keep that in your brain, because there were times when I was reading this that I forgot, and then all of a sudden, I'd be like,

oh, damn, she's 12. Like, whoa, you like the thing that happened. What the years had happened when you were 12? Six or seventh grade, yeah. Oh, I whoa, you like the fingers that happen. What's 6th grade when you're 12? 6th or 7th grade, yeah. Oh, I was a bitch in 7th grade. I was getting ruthlessly bullied in 7th grade. Mm-hmm, so hard. We know you're less than them.

We know. So at 11 years old, Jasmine had signed up for a few online sites because, you know because early 2000s. Oh, AIM. AIM. AIM. AIM. She portrayed herself as a lot older on these sites. One was, of course, my space.

I was never allowed to have one until I sneaked in. Until you sneaked in. And she said she was 16 on my space. Because I think you had to. And she said, have a my space. Again, she was 11. 11. Oh, no, at this point. She's 11. Okay.

She said she's 16 and used the username X underscore madness underscore X. Yeah. Her interests on her my space bio were hatchets serial killers, criminal psychology, blood, moonlight, human anatomy and quote, kinky shit. Minus the kinky shit. I thought that was yours. Well, I was when I was reading it, I was like, yeah, same, same, same. Yeah. And then at the end, I was like, oh, not so much.

I do, I support it. I'm just, I don't know if I've list that as my interest. No, but um, but like you really putting it out there to the world. I really is especially at 11. Um, her heroes were Jeffrey Dahmer good. That's a good start a good start great start Batman Okay, Chris angel mind freak and Marilyn Manson I get I get most of them just not Dahmer. I get Marilyn Manson Well, like maybe she wanted to like do mind-free stuff.

Maybe she wanted to be like a, what are they called? Illusionist master. An illusionist. In 2005, when she was entering seventh grade, that's when her teacher saw a huge difference in her. They said the skirts were getting shorter. She was sporting chains, fishnets, spiked collars, darker makeup, really committing to the StoleCoff lifestyle. And even though the school contacted her parents with

concerns about her dress, because remember she was going to like a Christian school. Right. I'm surprised that she was like able to. Yeah. Even. I don't need, I don't assume this wasn't obviously it wasn't one with like uniforms, but right. She did get in trouble a lot for messing with the dress code. Like she got, yeah. But her parents didn't see the need to do anything about it, even though the school was calling them, because they were like she's not hurting anyone. Yeah. So see, well, they were like spiritual and like express yourself.

Parents being like she's not hurting anyone, she's just expressing herself. Right. They're cool parents, man. So November 10th, 2005, I'm just gonna let you, like I'm going to go through a few social media things just because they're important. Yeah. November 10th, 2005, she joined the site,

vampirefreaks.com. Oh, I have the membership to that. I actually told that's like, that still exists. Oh, still thing. I am not a member of it, but I'm just saying I've like looked up things and that's come up in my like search results. She said she was 15, even though she was 12. Awesome.

And her username was X dash killer kitty X or dash X. Cool killer kitty. Two weeks after that she joined zorpia.com. I feel like I never used it but I remember hearing it. Yeah, because this was right out of my high school experience. Yeah, it was like three years before mine. So you'd probably know these sites, you'd at least know what they were. Maybe. And she used the nickname Runaway Devil, which is something, which is actually the name of the book

that I was reading about this case, Runaway Devil. December 28th, 2005, it's my birthday. It is, it is. She joined nexttopia.com, which was a social network local to Edmonton. and she joined that under the username, runaway devil, and used the email, dying resurrection. That is things get very emo and very dramatic, by the way. And that's why I want to keep showing you because it's like it's just to show how theatrical they were. On this profile, she wrote, and I got to tell you exactly what she wrote, so quote, I am the Almighty Jazz bow down. I think deep thoughts, I'm quite emotional, and my mood is ever changing,

although I can be very good at hiding my feelings. I don't trust easily. I either have lots of energy or very little. I like to make attempts at poetry and anime. I make wookie noises and often scare small children. I am afraid of llamas. I am told I am mentally our word. I'm not gonna say it. Often I am loud and bounce a lot.

When I am hyper, I like to dress up and want an Edward Cesar hands outfit. Other people live in my head with me. I like random questions. I like to pretend I'm a gangster sometimes. Don't worry, I'm not. Yeah, I sometimes watch teen Titans because I am that cool. I play guitar and I suck.

Okay, okay. Alrighty. Yeah. That was the intermonologue of Jasmine. That was just her bio, like her short little intro about me. She also posted a lot of lyrics from Cradle, Filth, and Slipknot, and also Edgar Allan Poe short stories. And so she was really, she was really portraying herself as older and dangerous,

like a bad girl. Cute. Now this was all just silly rebellion until she met Jeremy Stanky. Stanky Stanky. And I know it's Stanky, but I call it Stanky. It's not Stanky. It's Stanky. Jeremy Allen Stanky was 23 years old.

Oh. Remember, she is 12. Like fun fact, I'm not even 23 yet. Exactly. Wow. She is 12. He was a high school dropout and lived in a trailer park in Medicine Hat. He had an alcoholic mother and her partner's abused him regularly as he grew up.

That's really sad. He had a very sad upbringing. He had already attempted suicide when he met Jasmine. He also thought he was a 300-year-old werewolf. I like how you casually just threw that right in there. You were like, um, he was sad and his life was sad and sadness and... And werewolf. And he also thought he was a werewolf.

Cool. 300 years old too. So he's been around for a while. He's seen some shit. I want to know what happens to people's brains. Yeah, I think a lot happened to his brain. I want to know. He also wore a necklace with a vial of blood around his neck.

Who's blood? I think that I don't know who's blood that was. Actually, he did at one point, he did give Jasmine a vile of his own blood. Kinky. So which is very angely and initially Billy Bob Thornton of them. Yeah. He said he would bust life. I mean, live it.

He said he was part of a Likin Brotherhood whose empire would one day rise. A Likin Brotherhood? Likins are werewolves. Okay. Like, and remember those movies Underworld? Yeah, it was like vampires versus Likens. Oh, the werewolves, okay.

Yeah. In a personal blog post he wrote, he said, quote, we must meet in the cemetery one hour before the full moon is fullest. Oh, he got us. To speak of a tragedy within the Coven exclamation point. Those who have not overcome the mindless rage need not attend exclamation point. Yeah, I mean, you gotta meet.

So that's like where his head was at? Yeah, he was doing it. And he used 23. And president of the werewolves, you have to meet under the blood moon. You do. You have to. Or else, shit goes awry.

He also regularly told people that they better be careful because he might eat them. Well, he's aware both. Yeah, it's pretty casual. Jeremy was really badly bullied in school. They used to call him stinky. Duh, because like we are. Going back to the, in going back to the abuse he suffered

at home, it was rough. His biological father would come home drunk every day, whip him and drag him to his room by his ears. Oh, jeez. And his mother said this happened from the time he was like a toddler. Like, cool. Why don't you do something about it later off? Oh, yeah. His mom's, yeah. A shitbag. His first stepfather was a drunk as well and had three kids of his own.

He would line them all up if somebody did something wrong and slap their hands with paint sticks until someone confessed. Jesus. Jeremy claimed he would also tie them to chairs sometimes and make them watch the other ones being abused. Oh, that's like really fucked up. Yeah.

His mom's third husband once pushed Jeremy's head into a deep freezer, causing injury. And when he once tried to help his mother when she was being abused by that stepfather, the stepfather grabbed him by the neck and gave him, quote, uppercuts to the face and pounded him in the back of the head. That's according to his mother.

Wow. And that was when Jeremy tried to save his mother from this man. That may I really don't like that. So he's constantly being abused and witnessing abuse. He definitely experienced head traumas. Absolutely. Yeah. So he's obviously unstable. Fuck. They also moved all the time. And Jeremy said, quote, I have never been in one place for too long. I only had a few friends because I was always moving around,

so I was never able to make friends very frequently. He ended up making, when they settled in medicine hat is where they stayed for a longer time, so he was able to get in with a group of like goth kids, and he was able to find his place there. And you know what, I feel like him like saying that he's a werewolf is just kind of like, he needs an escape from life. Oh yeah, the 100%.

That's where his head is at. I need to escape this awful life that I have. Even in his elementary school teachers said he was just an angry unstable child. Obviously. He started smoking weed in his early teens, which is not like, you know, whatever. So that I really was. But he was also drinking a lot.

He quickly added ecstasy mushrooms and acid. That'll really do a number. He suffered from ADHD. And at 15, he got blackout drunk by himself outside in the dead of winter and had to be hospitalized because he passed out and got hypothermia. That was at 15. Was that like a suicide attempt, do you think? I don't know. It might have been. That's interesting. At this time, he also became a cutter,

and things continued to be tough for him at school. He picked fights, and people described him as someone that was kind of just like asking to be teased. Right. He dropped out three months into 10th grade. Oh. He moved in with friends and worked some dead-end jobs, but in 2004 he tried to do something with this life, and he enrolled in Medicine Hat College to finish off his high school credits, but he dropped out. It was in 2005 that he moved back in with his mom to her trailer in Medicine Hat. No, bad plan, bad plan, bad plan, bad plan. Yeah, that plan. Good place. That same year, she was charged with stabbing Wilfred Yates,

her sometimes boyfriend. Sometimes boyfriend. She got 12 months probation, but she breached that because she wouldn't stop seeing the guy that she stabbed. So this is the role model. The place that he's coming from. Awesome. Some people, I mean, I think a lot of people have lived lives like this

and do good things, but like, oh, but it's not a good, it's really easy to argue that these people don't stand a chance. It doesn't make what they do okay, but it's like, no, but it just, it's like, like, you're breeding a serial killer. That's the thing, and it's like, why would you not just do your best when you have a child? Well, like if you don't want to do your best, like obviously this lady didn't want to have kids. Like it's clearly very, you know. Give them up for adoption. Well, that's the thing, and it's like,

she's bringing all these awful men around her son to abuse him, and it's like, what is the point of having a kid? Like, I don't understand. What do you think your Like I mind like you have a kid so that you can like protect them and teach them things and How would them and like do fun things? Yeah, the whole the whole point is to make their life even better than what you had Yeah, I just don't get the whole point That's what at least that's how I look at it. And I had a great life, I had a great upbringing, and I'm like, I want yours TV even better.

It's like, that's what you strive for. You just like want it to always be better for them. Like solid no comment on my upbringing, but I mean, I want my kids live to be dope. Exactly. And that's what makes a good parent, I feel like that intention is the first step to good parenting. Is that is having that intention? This lady clearly didn't.

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Download the app today. Now a 17 year old girl who dated Jeremy when he was 20 said quote, I probably only knew 10% of him. He can change in the blink of an eye. He'd sit up in the middle of the night and start talking to himself. Oh, people said after this relationship, that's when he started dating younger and younger girls. Oh. Yeah. Well, he, do you feel as though he was like mentally not 23? Oh, 100%.

He was not mentally one. Do you think that he was on the spectrum or do you just think that he suffered like crazy abuse? Yeah. I think he's just incredibly immature. Yeah. Incredibly immature. And I think he was retreating into these fantasy worlds,

which was also kind of like coping. Yeah, it's kind of like keeping him in a younger mindset, you know, I mean, like, you can't really grow up and think you're away. And I mean, I think he's also just really gross and wanted to date 12 year olds. It's also that. Yeah. He started doing coke a lot, getting in trouble with police. He was shoplifting, writing bad checks, disturbing the peace. Just, you know, shit isn't going well. It wasn't the peace is my favorite. Right.

No, it isn't. It wasn't until he was 22 that he started doing the Goth thing. That's when he like found his place. Oh, that's interesting. It's a very late bloomer in the, he thought he was a werewolf before that though. For sure. Yeah. That's very gawthy, I feel. But he started really going into like the Goth thing. It's like a sub-tum. Yeah. I think yeah, exactly. In fact, one of his favorite bands that he listed was Children of Bodum. Oh, shit. That band that's named after the like Bodum

murders. We're bringing it back again. Well, I like when we say things at the same time. That's exactly, it's fun. He started wearing blacks, biked collars, you know, like the whole thing. He found, and he found popularity among this crowd finally. Cool. And these were, this was a crowd that literally like hung out at the mall.

Yeah, I remember. It's like the mall goths. They kind of treated him like a like de facto leader. Like a lot of people look to him. I mean, he was always over. All the girls were like in love with him. Gotta look him up now. You know, you won't understand it.

Cool. At least I didn't. What if I did? I was like, I did it. If you do, then it's like, it's on you, but that's why it's on you. Normally, goths are very chill, very nonviolent, mellow people. Like part of the goth lifestyle is not being violent and aggressive.

Right. But Jeremy was aggressive as fuck, so he also just wanted to hang out with younger people. Like we said, he's just connected more with really young kids. Interestingly, his weird thing with hanging out with younger kids is common in people who suffer from fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. He kind of looks like he has that. It is a developmental issue associated with it. ADHD is also found in about 60% of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder cases.

Interesting. So people with this are impulsive. They have problems putting themselves in reckless situations. They don't think about it, and they don't think about right or wrong or consequences, which describes him perfectly. Weirdly, like I said, a lot of girls who knew him said he was super sweet, kind, generous. Not a lot of people said a lot of girls who knew him said he was super sweet, kind, generous.

Not a lot of people said a lot of bad words about him as like especially in that golf community. Right. They all said he was pretty chill person. In 2005, when he got super goth, he also started to wear a neoprene black face mask sometimes just for the hell of it. Okay. This comes back later, it's important.

It was one of those that just covers the lower half of the face and the nose and it's just like eyes. What's neoprene? Neoprene is kind of like scuba diving material. Oh, okay. Yeah. It was in 2005 that Jeremy met Jasmine.

Feel like it's not gonna go anywhere good. Nope. Definitely doesn't. Great. Jasmine's 13 year old friend Kaylee introduced them. She liked that he was like popular in the Goss crowd. She said he was really hyper and like, she liked to say that she was afraid of llamas. She was like,

like, to bounce around in hyper two. Exactly. You guys should meet. It's true. And he was always the center of attention. So she liked it. Her friend Kaylee, by the way, was like an absolute wreck and was like a teen runaway all the time.

Oh, that's sad. Jasmine and Jeremy bonded over being misunderstood. Because like, golf. Exactly. And Jasmine was starting to get shipped from her parents now because she was hanging out with a ton of older dudes. Yeah. You like Jeremy.

But she was really, she hung out before she met Jeremy, she was hanging out with these two guys named Raven, which is fine, okay. And trench coat. Wow. I hope my kids never hang out with a man named trench coat. Raven and mop bucket. Like it's just like this, just an object.

Reven and cowboy boot. It's just so weird. Reven and Swiffer wet jet. It's amazing. So Reven and trench coats were all, they were also in their 20s. And they were like the other leaders in the Goth group, you know, hanging out with a bunch of younger kids.

It's like a Goth society. It is. It's like a commune. So they every weekend, she was starting to go to these like punk shows with Goth groups, with these hooligans. And her parents were just not psyched. You're so old. You just said hooligans. I had to say hooligans. She started fighting with her parents more. She started sinking deeper into this like

darker persona that she was creating. Her school guidance counselors were starting to get concerned with her dress and her attitude. Yeah. One day she told her guidance counselor that she wanted to be put into foster care. Oh, wow. And her guidance counselor was like, why? That's alarming. And when guidance counselor was like, uh, why? That's alarming. And when she was pressed for it, she said she just hated living under her parents' rules. And they were like, well, are they hurting you or abuse you?

She's like, nah. And she literally was like, no, they don't abuse me. They're just assholes. It's like, oh, see, you're just 12 and don't want to hear no. That's all. And your guidance counselor must suck. Being a parent. Being a parent does suck, I no. That's all. That's all. That's all.

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That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. Your 12 year old just came into the guidance counselor's office and asked to be put in foster care because you guys are assholes. I'd be so pissed. I feel like you're grounded until you die. I'd be so mad. Well, the guidance counselor said she could tell, she could tell that she was telling the truth that there was absolutely no abuse or misdreamin' of any kind.

She said, I was like, you're just a little asshole. Well, she said, I would have called authorities if I had any inkling that something was wrong here. Jasmine was just a little bitch. And like Jasmine says, she said, quote, I wanted to keep having fun and disobeying. We were fighting a lot and I was being grounded on weekends. So that was her reasoning for wanting to go foster care. I feel like foster care would have been really bad for her. Yeah.

Well, by this time, Jeremy and Jasmine were hanging out at town. No. Yeah. In February 2006, near Valentine's Day, Jeremy sent an email to Jasmine using his email morbid flames. Oh, oh, fan mail, fan mail, fan mail. Right. And asked her to be his girlfriend.

Again, he's 23 and she is 12. They're first. I don't even know any 12 year olds like what the fuck? I don't even I like what is a 12 year old? I don't know their first date was a few days later at an all ages punk show Jasmine claims he told Jeremy the or Jasmine claims she told Jeremy She was 13 even though she was 12 Jeremy said he was under the impression that she was like 16 Still, but either way I'm like you're 23. Yeah, like maybe like sniff up another was 12. Jeremy said he was under the impression that she was like 16. Still could either way I'm like you're 23. Yeah, like maybe like sniff up another tree

somewhere. I don't know. About just like 18 and that's it. Yeah, just let's like legal 18 is super fucking young too. They get they well they kept their relationship secret obviously because our parents would definitely not be cool with it. No. They talked on the phone every night, they used the internet to connect with each other. Like, that was their thing. Yeah. Of course, Jeremy was on all those same social media sites she was on.

Vampire flames. Yes. And on nexttopia.com, he used the username SoulEater. Okay. These kids are so much. Yeah. This is a huge show. There's so much.

This is very campy. For his likes, he listed, quote, fellow like in brethren. What does that mean? His werewolf brethren. Oh, okay. I like my friends, is that what he was saying? Yeah, okay.

His werewolf friends. All right. Get it! A bug. The music he liked were cradle of filth, dying fetus. Oh, murder dolls. Okay. Marilyn Manson.

Got it. Corn, yep, stone sour, Megadeth, yep, slipknot, and pintera. Awesome. His dislikes were quote, yeah, pretty much quote, my heart being broken again. Girls, my age home records Hippocrates lies the Sun same. I like the Sun untrustworthy people or unreliable people Backstabbers cheaters spider webs parentheses not spiders they're cool

K W L. Yes Yes, I love the cool. Cool. Cool. Also, this is all his dislikes, by the way, planes, posters, he says prostitutes. Okay, that's a good. An of sex workers, he wrote, quote, I like to kill them, play with their insides

and then eat. Oh, he also to kill them, play with their insides and then eat. Oh, he also disliked pigs, cops, God for sake and accordion and inward. Oh. So already he is a fucking monster. Yeah. He's all about sex. Yes. Because of course he doesn't use them. He's not using like sex worker as a way of course. Crossed to dudes and he's saying he likes to kill prostitutes. And he was saying, he said pigs and cops or he said pigs.

Yeah, so which one, which I'm like, so you don't like cops and you also don't like the animal pig. Like how do you not like the pig? I'm sorry, let's go. On vampirefreaks.com, he wrote, quote, I believe in blood destruction guts, gore and greed, which I'm like, I believe in blood like it exists.

Yeah. It is a mischievous fluid. Like, I agree with you that blood exists. If that does, it's flowing through all of us. As far as I've been told, like what a weird way to say it. It's a navile. His likes were Gothic beings. Yes. Moshpits. His likes were gothic beings. Yes.

Moshpits. Yeah. Loud music. Yeah. Piercings. Yeah. Tattoos. Totally. Scarification. No pain. Lost me. Kinky fetishes. Done. Heavy metal. I left. Blood. I mean, I like having blood. I'm the big fan of the blood running through my veins. Huge proponent of it. I do like that. Yes. Razer blades. Eyeliner.

Yeah. Poetry. Cool. Dark clothing. Yeah. Aggressiveness. And nails. Like getting them done or like the one thing you've heard into a wall.

Yeah, I'm assuming the one's one thing you heard into a wall. Yeah, I'm assuming the one say you like camera into a wall. Jeremy would like serenade Jasmine over the phone with songs that he wrote to you. How uncomfortable I get when people say I get so fucking uncomfortable. I would hang up and block his number. Yeah, that would stress me out. She said, quote, I felt really flattered and loved. He was really romantic. He told me that he loved me all the time.

I was falling in love with him. I was 12. I was 12. At the end of the sentence. The end of all the sentences. Now I'm going to have a few emails that I'm going to throw in here between the two because they're just too good. Not to share.

No, it's not really. I actually really want them. He actually emailed Jasmine a song. He wrote, called, quote, till death do us part. Are you getting married? This was sent on March 6th at 12.45 pm. The word say, or part of it is, quote,

you're the blood that flows through my veins. You're the sun breaking through the clouds when it rains. My love is for you forever. As we die here together, we'll be together forever till death do we part. Yeah, I'd give that a D+. He's killing it. D+. Killing the game. He ran together and together. He did. That's a bold move. Okay Okay Nicki Minaj. That is a bold move. Now at this point when he sent her this email, she was grounded indefinitely. Damn it. Same. You want to know why? Because one night she was tasked with babysitting her little brother

because her parents were going to a work event. And she just decided that she didn't want a babysitter anymore. So her and her friend just left him and went to 7-11. And poor Jacob freaked out and got scared and called his parents. Oh, yeah. So she couldn't see Jeremy, obviously, because she was granted, definitely. She could only communicate with him online.

She's like, she's so good to go online. Well, yeah, not just making it though. Interestingly, the communication starts off like super gross and like pre-teeny. Yeah. And like mushy. Gross. And then later gets super dark. Great. March 8th, 2006, that 2.36 pm. This is two runaway devil from sole leader. So two Jasmine from imagine being the FBI guys that had to read these.

I would I would pay so much money to watch that that happen. Oh man. And just be like, what do you guys have over there? And you be like, I got a two runaway and from sole leader over here. What do you guys have? Mine starts hey cuddle pants. What is your start? That's

a good one. The subject of this is, ha, ha. Yes. Oh, well. And so this is two Jasmine from Jeremy. Yes. Well, God, I can't get over not seeing or talking to you. I yearn to hear your soft, subtle voice and long to be held in your arms wherever that might be. I can't get over not seeing or talking to you. I yearn to hear your soft subtle voice and long to be held in your arms wherever that might be. I don't care, but just to share time with you together with you are die for. And there's not anything that could ever replace the way you make me feel. Hearts. I miss you.

I love you. And I wish we could just go somewhere to just be alone together for a little while. Or as long as you would like, question mark. I think tonight I'm going to write another song to you. Big smiley face. Won't that be fun, especially seeing as you shall not read it or hear it till I see you next time. Teehee, ROFL? Well, I guess I should go or something, but I hope to hear from you much sooner than later. TTYL, Cuddle Bunny, hugs and kisses.

I would throw myself off a building if I received that email. Just everybody remember, they're gonna end up being too brutal murderers. I would throw myself off of a building. I repeat, if I received that email. Cuddle Bunny is a brutal murder. If anybody ever, ever referred that email. Cuddle Bunny is a brutal murder. If anybody ever ever referred to me as cuddle bunny,

or said, Teeheehee in a text message exchange, I would block their number and jump off of a building. Teeheehee, ROFL. Good night. On March 9th, Jeremy posted a poem onto one of the crazy websites they were on, called The World. No.

It says, the world I live in is dark and cold. The things these pitiful souls do seem to never get old. I wish for they would all die. The earth can burn to hear them all scream my yearn. Their blood should be spilled for some of them my heart they killed. But it is not that for which I wish they'd die before this planet being filled with hatred, deceit, and lies. That's actually not bad. I'm going to give that like a C plus.

I'll give it a full letter grade up. I'll give it an F plus. I'll give you the plus because you rhymed some things. It was really heartfelt. I'm sure. Why not? You know, Jasmine's parents got so scared about her online activity because they had started to monitor it because they were getting nervous

about what was going on. And you imagine if you're monitoring your kids thing and then that's what pops up. Negative can't do it. Oh, that's like the, you have to do it. You have to monitor it. And you just have to hope that you never, they never see TTYL cuddle bunny hugs and kisses. Oh God, I would like myself on fire. Well, they got so upset and disturbed by all of this that they boxed her computer up. Yeah.

And I like you can't be on the computer. Yeah, I don't want to. Of course, this sent Jasmine into more of a rage. She complained to her friends, but her friends all kind of agreed with her parents because they all hated Jeremy and thought it was gross. They were like a 23 year old

who was dating a seventh grader. And he complained to his like friends that his young girlfriends parents were forbidding her from seeing him. And his friends were like, yeah, it's gross that you're dating some that's great like everyone was like, more all of the story is she's 12.

So they're getting, they're more and more getting into this also against every one of you. It's you and me against the world, cuddle bunny. Now Jasmine did sneak out to see Jeremy one night. Oh shit, she's got a lot of coo-hoo-naz. She really does. And after this happened, Jeremy wrote her this email. It was on March 13th, 2006 at 308 PM.

The subject is, hey, sexy. She's 12. Yeah. How goes it? You're a site for sore eyes, and I miss you more than killing people. Oh, okay. Can we get together and kill people together? Nope.

I have a poem for you, and you shall see it when I see you. Te-hee. Stop with the te-hee, sir. Well, I guess I see it when I see you. Tee hee. Stop with the Tee hee, sir. Well, I guess I should go. I love you, tons. Love. And Jasmine responded four hours later, saying, quote, killing people, sounds like fun.

And she said, aha, yes, we shall. And then she said, I miss you to a large, large amount that cannot be contained in mere words. I wish to see this poem love you. The same month, Jasmine was surprised by Jeremy with a gift. Oh, that's cool. The gift was a vile of his own blood. Okay. So that's nice. That's really awful. Yeah, you know, thanks for your blood. I hope you don't have a disease. And he even emailed her Thanks for your blood. I hope you don't have a disease. And he even emailed her after that and said,

I hope you'll, what do you say? And what of the vile of blood I gave you? What are your words on expressing your thoughts on that item of my love to you? You're shitting me. Can you say that again? What are, like, he's like, he's just basically saying to you like it.

What are your words on expressing your thoughts on the item of my love, Keefty? He's just trying to say so many words for no reason. And then he says, yay! I think he really does. This is a 23 year old syndrome. He also said, quote, when are we going to go get together and kill some more pitiful souls?

Like, why don't you just play a video game? Yeah, like what's happening? Because you know she's 12. Exactly. And a couple of days after this, he messaged a friend to say he and Jasmine wanted to murder her whole family to copy natural born killers, which was their favorite movie. Oh. So this was on March 16, 2006 at 9.22 p.m. It is to kill my heart from soul.

He's kids so much shit. I'm telling you. This is why I couldn't get all of those screen names. I know because they took them all. I thought of them too. I wanted morbid flames, but he took it. I love morbid flames. Can we make a new Gmail? Yes. Morbid flames at gmail.com. So this message that he wrote to kill my heart said, the whole point of killing them would be to start a spree across Canada, R-O-F-L, kind of like the legendary Mickey and Mallory.

Love, love birds. Now have you seen that movie? It's called Natural Born Killers. It's the best love story of all time. I loves it so much. I want to do it myself. Oh, he's killing it. Literally. Literally. Now at this point, when all this is going on, her pants are just desperately trying to get her back. Right. And so they were the fuck did you know what are you? So now they convinced her to go to family counseling with them. Oh, and after a few sessions, they actually saw a change. So they

were like, okay, you know what, you can have some of your privileges back. So they let her go to some of the shows on the weekends. The catch, they had to go with her. Wow. These parents are badass. they had to go with her. Wow. These parents are badass. This all culminated with her. So she was like, all right, you can come to one. Okay. I want to go.

I want to see my friends. I haven't seen them in months. Yeah. So they were like, all right. So they went, well, at the show, her parents caught her. They lost her, first of all. Oh, God. Found her in an alleyway making out with her 23 year old boy

friend, who's our co-hunus on this girl. I'm saying, obviously they were pissed. And she was grounded for a month with no phone and no computer privileges. So she started using library computers to talk to Jeremy. Oh wow. On March 20th 2006, Jasmine wrote to Jeremy with the subject, Hey beautiful. And it said raw r R-A-W-R-A-W-R. You know. I'm gonna be pleased to write that. Raw, I hate them. So I have this plan.

It begins with me killing them and ends with me living with you. So are we set? I'm going to try to call you, but I really don't know if I'll be able to. They are treating me like shit. I hate them so much. But I hope this won't bring us far apart. I'll be able to. They are treating me like shit. I hate them so much, but I hope this won't bring us far apart. I hope to talk to you soon and love you with my,

all my heart, love. Wow. So the next day, Jeremy wrote back to Jasmine. This was on March 21, 2006. He wrote, well, I love your plan, but we need to get a little more creative with the like details and stuff I wish they wouldn't treat you that way. GURR. It anger's me to hear that. I dislike them very much. Don't worry. I love you to my sexy beast. Goodbye. I hope to hear from you soon. Take care or to take care my love. I don't know. You have the key to my heart and soon enough, you shall have my heart if I die anyway, because if I give it to you now, I'll die, then you won't be able to hear me say how much I love you.

What? What the fuck is that thought process? What are you saying? She's smarter than him. I just like to point that out. What other percent? He, like, I, and then, you know, and the, that's what he's saying. He's literally like if I give you my heart I will tell you that I love you because I'll die and then you won't hear it and but you can have it love

It's like okay forest Come Now on Friday March 24th 2006 Jeremy posted a poem on his next toopia page. That was a little weird, and it's a little on the nose. Oh, quote, my girlfriend's family are totally unfair. They say that they really care. They don't know what is going on.

They just assume, as their greed continues to consume. She is slowly going insane. She continues to think that I came into her life to help her out and to stop what they keep trying to shout. It's all total bullshit. Their throats I want to slit. They will regret the shit they have done, especially when I see to it that they are gone. They shall pay for their insolence. Finally, their shall be silenced. Their blood shall be payment. Oh, no, that's so What's what's crazy about this is I'm like

Do you guys know what like a digital footprint is? Because you are because if you're really Doing this you have literally left Just delicious little breadcrumb trail right to like a handball grubble. Idiots. Stupid ads. By now they were sneaking out together more and by now they were having sex. She is 12. They also started planning the massacre of her family. Awesome. In fact, several friends of both Jasmine and Jeremy said, she was begging him to do it all the time.

She was like, you need to do this. If you love me, you will do it. So in mid-April, his Jeremy's good friend Grant Bolt, which is like such a country singer name. Yeah, it is. He had a weird conversation with Jeremy. They were in like a parking lot,

but behind some grocery store or something. And they were sitting in Jeremy's truck smoking pot. And Jeremy randomly asked him, how far would you go for love? And he was like, really, bro, I'm just trying to get started. Well, that's great. It was like, what? What are you?

And, girl, it was like, I'm a 23 year old guy. Not very far. I'm very confused. I don't know where he is. I'm like, I don't know. And so Jeremy said, quote, Jasmine is pretty much going to break up with me unless I do it soon.

And then he said, quote, I don't think I can do this by myself. I need someone I can trust. Are you in? And Grant literally told him to go fuck himself. Really? Yeah, he was like, no. That's amazing.

But he also was smoking pot and like was high and whatever. So he was like, I don't know, whatever dude. Like you're crazy. Like he didn't think that he was like serious. Yeah. Then soon after that Jeremy posted another song on Next Topia Dark Connolly. So he needs to quit his career.

And this song is basically about killing for someone. The chorus says, I will kill, I will spill the blood for you tonight. It will be a blood shedding fight. You satisfy my hunger. You quench my thirst. So it's basically him just being like, I'll kill for you. That's basically it.

Great record. He also pretty much admitted their plan on a public forum on vampirefreaks.com. When he responded to his friend's comment in public, the friend had joked about being bored and he said he started hitting himself to keep himself awake because he was so bored. What are these people? And Jeremy responded, quote, oh yeah, LOL. Hope you enjoy hitting yourself.

I on the other hand would rather do more bad stuff. What's safe? To others. Like Jack's rents, for example, which I'm going to do this weekend. Oh. So he's literally telling people their phone. That's not good.

Oh, I wish that somebody was able to enter Vene before it happened. Literally, I'm like, guys, so many people. Cause I love this family. We're being told. And no one was telling anybody. Because they were like, what the fuck is this kid saying? Because they're like, this kid's crazy. Now, this brings us to Saturday, April 22nd. Oh, no. So the Richardson family has hot dogs and barbecue for dinner in their backyard, which they did often. They would have big barbecue's in their backyard with their

kids, because they were happy. This was all while Jacob was playing with his best friend, Gareth. Jeremy at the time bought a 12 pack of beer in an eighth ounce bag of pot. He smoked two bowls with the person that dealt him the pot, headed back to his trailer. Jeremy says, quote, I plan to get drunk. He went through 12 beers. Whoa. He rated his mom's beer supply in the refrigerator. And when that was all gone, he took out a bottle of vodka instead of drinking that.

Whoa. As a person, you didn't die. Yeah, no, it's crazy. That's a lot of alcohol. During this whole thing, Jasmine had herself a bubble bath later that night. Her friend texted her, quote, do you want to go swimming or to the mall tomorrow? And Jasmine replied, I can't.

And her friend said, why not? And she never replied back. What a bitch. I wonder if that's because she's like, well, we're going to kill my whole family tonight. So I'm probably going to be on the run. Around 9 p.m., Jeremy pulled up to his, in his mother's pickup truck to his friend Jordan's house. Jordan was actually trying to avoid Jeremy.

I almost were a germany. It was actually hoping to avoid Jeremy because he had already called Jordan and asked him to help him kill this family. So Jordan's like, like, these people, I've heard it. These kids are all like, they're all on copious amounts of drugs drinking heavily. They're all like just wreck fucked up. They really are. And so Stephanie, who was Jordan's girlfriend actually let Jeremy and when he came and Jeremy came in pleading for help with this. I feel like just don't do it.

He literally bluntly asked Jordan, Jordan, will you help me with this? And Jordan said, no way, I don't have it in me to kill another human being. Oh, and he left. Neither. But again, Jordan did nothing. Jeremy went back to his mom's trailer and he called Jordan one more time. And Jordan's claims that he said, quote, if I ever find out you or anybody else told the police about this, I will kill all of you because I won't know which one is the rat. Whoa.

And when Jordan said, quote, so all these innocent people will have to be killed because of what one person said, Jeremy said, yep. Oh, good. So Jeremy watched natural born killers again with his friends. Oh, it. So Jeremy watched natural born killers again with his friends. It's crazy fucking loser. In the flick, there's a part where the couple kills her parents

and then they all of a sudden see Mallory's little brother who in the movie is actually her son because her dad raped her. Oh, yeah. It's a whole fucked up thing. Cause her life actually sucked. It's just insane. Well, instead of killing the brother,

Mickey and Mallory tell him you're free. And that's when Jeremy turned to his friends and said, that's where it's going to be different. Jasmine's going to kill her brother. Oh my god. And her friends, and his friends are like, yeah. Okay. That's probably fun.

Because they just thought he was crazy. Yeah. But I'm going to be real. If somebody says that to me, I'm a cop a police like for real like don't joke like that No, that's not funny So especially because her brother was eight. Yeah, eight years old at 3 a.m Jeremy's

Jeremy went to visit his coke dealer to get some powdery courage Since all his friends were refusing to help him, his coke dealers girlfriend claimed that she saw Jeremy snort at least six lines. Whoa. He drank vodka there, and he also drank vampire brand wine, and also took some ecstasy. How did he not overdose and die?

I think this was literally like how he lived. Like they all seem to live. But all in one way. I agree I have no idea how he lived. Like they all seem to live. But all in one day. Oh, I agree. I have no idea how the him body did this. But I know that these people he hung out with, this was just regular. I just don't understand how your brain

doesn't explode after six lines of all that alcohol and ecstasy. Well, I would argue that his brain did explode. No, I'm nobody like this. No, but I mean, I mean literally. Like I don't under, I shouldn't say brainish, it No, I'm nobody. No, but I mean, literally. Yeah, like I don't under, I shouldn't say brainish, it's a heart. Yeah, like I'm so confused about how that didn't happen.

I don't know how, but sorry, I got after he did all that. He left and grabbed some gum at a convenience store around 4am because Jasmine Hayden won his breath, smelled like smoke. Yeah, that was his reasoning. Like after all that, he was like, oh, I gotta get some gum. store around 4am because Jasmine hated when his breath smelled like smoke. Yeah. That was his reasoning. Like, after all that, he was like, oh, I gotta get something gone. Like, what? Oh, and then he snorted two more grams of cocaine.

So, he went to Jasmine's house. Two grams of cocaine? Yep. He went to Jasmine's house at 4am. He threw a pine cone at her window to wake her up. She let him through their basement window where she often snuck out through. He had a knife in the pocket of his hoodie.

And when he entered the home, he made a ton of noise. Because he's wronged up beyond measure. So Debra, the mother, woke up and was like, what the fuck? She thought Jasmine was sneaking out. So she ran down to the basement. She was wearing only a blue night gown. When she got down there, she came face to face with Coke-fueled Jeremy who was wearing

that weird neoprene face mask. Oh my god. He was also wearing Fishingette arms stockings in a black bandana wrapped around his neck. That's literally terrifying. He immediately slashed at her with the knife, and she screamed and threw her arms up in like an offensive position.

Right. This is when Jeremy just started stabbing her torso. Oh no. Up to a dozen times. Oh no. Mark, the father heard this commotion and ran downstairs only in black box or shorts. He grabbed the screwdriver on his way down.

Oh no. According to Jeremy, Mark attacked him. He said, he said, he said, quote, he came at me real fast. I was scared shitless. I went to back up and I tripped and fell and he jumped on me and attempted to stab me in my chest. Obviously, you just like killed his wife.

Yeah. And Jeremy, so Jeremy was able to like, deflect to that and knock to the screwdriver out of Mark's hand. So he said, quote, he grabbed my face and shoved his thumbs in my eye. Good, I'm so happy. So that's what I like go to. Yeah.

It's like, just pluck out those eyes, man. Once you get someone's eyes, that makes my eyes hurt. I will pluck the fuck out of people's eyes. Yes, put that on shirt. Um, pluck the fuck out of intruder's eyes. Yes. Um, every single time. Yeah, do it.

He started stabbing at Mark, but Mark fought like hell. Clendur. One thing that is everybody who investigated this case was like that dad fought for his family now. That makes sense. I don't know if that makes it worse. I know, it makes it worse, but it's like he, but also it's like I'm glad that his memory was like that

He was like but he was being the protector So he and actually like fallen on top of Jeremy and when Jeremy got under out from underneath him He stabbed Him multiple times and even being stabbed multiple times mark was still able to start choking him Jeremy started stabbing him again At At this point, Jasmine ran downstairs and said, quote, I saw my mom lying at the bottom of the stairs. I saw my dad and Jeremy fighting. I was hearing them yelling things.

I ran back upstairs. Like, don't try to help. Don't try to help. She heard her dad, this is really sad. She heard her dad ask Jeremy, who are you? Before falling straight back on the floor, his last words were looking up at his daughter's boyfriend and asking why? And he responded to him by saying, because you treat your daughter like shit. It's what your daughter wanted.

So the last things that this father heard was your daughter wanted this. That's really horrible. Those are the last words a father heard. That's really fucking horrible. Like that. Can you imagine as a parent hearing, like, this is happening to you and hearing your daughter wanted this? No, that's just like fucked up beyond. Like that's beyond. So both her parents at this point were seemingly dead to Jeremy. Oh wow. So he met Jasmine upstairs in the kitchen. He said, quote, she gave me a hug, kissed me, and told me that she loved me. She turned around and went back upstairs. I waited for maybe 30 seconds. I don't know how long,

but I turned to go upstairs to find out what she was doing. I assume she was grabbing some belongings or something, and I heard some kind of conversation. I find out what she was doing. I assumed she was grabbing some belongings or something, and I heard some kind of conversation. I don't know what was said. Trigger warning. It is now time for Jacob. I'm going to start crying. It's pretty bad.

So Jasmine went upstairs to her eight-year-old little brother who was yelling, Jasmine, what's going on? He was cowering in bed. She said, go to sleep and she kept saying it and she began cradling him and put his neck in like the crick of her arm and started squeezing. Oh my God.

She was trying to like choke him out. And so he was like digging his hands into her arm and being like, stop it, what are you doing? What are you doing? He broke free, ran into the hallway. And Jasmine said she knew Jeremy was coming up the stairs because he was like hyperventilating when he was coming up. She said, quote, he was staggering up the stairs.

There was blood all over him. He was dragging his sleeve on the wall. And when they came in and investigated his afterwards, they saw just like a line of like he had dragged blood up the wall. Oh, that's terrifying. So one of them said they built neither one can agree on who said this. We can't just leave him. So I wish that they had. Jacob literally fought as hard as his dad did.

The police officers who were first on scene said blood was on everything in the little boys purple bedroom. His blood also soaked the carpet in the hallway outside his bedroom door, where they said, quote, a major blood-letting event occurred. Later it was discovered that Jacob had been repeatedly stabbed, while fighting to get away from his older sister and her boyfriend. And then one of them had slashed Jacob's throat wide open. Oh my God. He died choking on his own blood. Jeremy claims Jasmine slashed his throat

and then calmly walked past him. Jasmine barely, he said, Jasmine barely rinsed the knife that she used and then just left it on the counter, where they did find it. Oh my God. She then told Jeremy to wait outside and she grabbed her packed bag and her mom's purse.

Jeremy was paranoid out of his mind and like crazy at this point. And he took off running down the street and then drove back in the direction of his trailer, leaving Jasmine at the house. Good. She ended up calling a cab around 5.25 am. Of course, she needed money so she took her mom's purse and ran to an ATM to take money

from her mom's account. Stupid. She got to Jeremy's trailer and he showered and they bagged up the bloody clothing. Then they went to a part and apartment building and threw away the clothes and a dumpster behind it. They wiped down the inside of Jeremy's mother's truck that they were using. Then they went to Jeremy's Coke dealer's house. And the guy said Jeremy was an absolute mess. He said he was like spaced out as hell.

And he said, quote, he spooked me. He asked me how to clean blood off knives, not knife knives. The co-deal are said, Oh, and then Jeremy and Jasmine had sex because what gets you going more than family annihilation? After the two drove to another apartment known for being a party house and then attended a rager where people said that they were literally making out and essentially going at it on the couch in front of everybody. That's really disgusting. At one point, one of the witnesses said, quote, Jasmine was straddling Jeremy on the couch and they were face to face the whole time.

She was rubbing up on Jeremy on the couch. Yeah. After they murdered her entire family, James Wally, who is a good friend of Jeremy. I know, I know. I know, I know. James Wally, who is a good friend of Jeremy. I know, I know. James Wally, who was a good friend of Jeremy's, was the one who Jeremy actually confided first in this time.

He told him, quote, we killed my girlfriend's family last night. I gutted them like a fish. His tone was completely mellow. Like we were having an everyday conversation, James said. And then after he said this, Jasmine said to James, quote, my little brother gargled, that's so, so they literally said, and these two things are going to be like the most damning to them later. And I think we're gonna, we're gonna pause for part two now. We're gonna leave you on that really dark and awful note.

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