Morbid - Episode 7: Charles Manson Part 1 Ya dig?

Episode Date: June 26, 2018

Charles Manson didn't exactly have a great start to life and we can prove it. Part 1 of our Manson series dives into his beginnings, from being bartered for a pitcher of beer by his own mother to partying with a Beach Boy during the Summer of Love. The seedlings of mayhem were starting to brew but no one could have predicted what this makeshift "family" eventually accomplished. Stick around for Part 2 when dirty hippie livin' takes a dark turn into manipulation and brutal murder. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I liked at the end when you were like No, I'm not yeah, just so you know in case you didn't recognize I've screwed everybody for a second there. Yeah This is really exciting because it's gonna be an ashtup She's taking the brains Taking the bull by the horns She's taking the hippie by the LSD. Oh, that sounds like me. That sounds a lot more like me.

She's taking over. Yeah, yeah. Because this is her favorite. My favorite. Little Charlie. Charlie, my son. Little Charlie. Charles.

But before we get to Charlie Manza. Let's just like chitter chatter a bit. Let's chat. Let's have banter. Yeah. That's just like Chitter Chatter a bit. Let's chat. Let's have banter. Yeah. Let's just banter it out. So your husband has a jungle disease. Let's just pop right in with that.

There has been rather ill. So interestingly enough, we're recording a little late in the week this week. It's Friday. Because we normally, we try to bust one out a little earlier. But this week has out a little earlier but this week has been a little weird because as you have stated um my husband has a crazy jungle virus that we may have contracted via mosquito while on a cruise. Wolf. So it's been a week but the good

news is he's feeling better today so I think he's on the mend. Well that's good, but it's not fun watching here. Your other half would be sick. No, not what it is. Yeah. And especially when what he might be sick with sounds like an appetizer. That's funny. That's upsetting. I tried to come up with a funny response and then I was like, hmm, you know what?

You just, you're funny by yourself. I'll leave. Yeah, you can just leave. I'll take care of this. Yeah, whatever. No, you can't leave. I don't know enough about Charlie Benson. I know.

I know a little, but. And scares. This is your boy. You got this. This is my man's, though. This is your man's. This is your man's. Yeah, so like nothing really that interesting happened to me this week, so maybe we should just

get right into it. Yeah. I was gonna talk about the traffic I sat in for like, because people were running, but it's just gonna make me mad all over again. Because people were running. Fuck activities, fuck exercise. There you go. That's all I have to say.

That's our official stance. Yeah. Exercise. I hope Michelle and Bama's not listening. I know, because That's our official stance. Yeah, exercise. I hope Michelle and Bama's not listening. I know, because girl, I love you. Yeah. But she's gonna be like, those morbid girls are morbidly obese, shall.

But maybe they should run. Maybe they should run. No, no. No, unless a murderer is chasing me, am I gonna run? Oh, a full circle. There you go. All right. Okay, so then, Charlie.

All right, so. So, let's go to the child. All right. So, without further ado, Charles Manson and the Manson family murders. So, Charlie Manson was born in Cincinnati, Ohio on November 12th in the year of 1934. Which sounds so long. Yeah. When I was doing everything everything I was like whoa 1934 and he just died like

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so spoiler alert Charlie dad and I Everyone was like so happy and like I was like a little bit like sad because I wanted to like I don't know I want to write I wanted to marry No, I just wanted to do one of those girls named like moonbeam that. I wanted to marry, no, just kidding. I was like, I was like, I was like, one of those girls named like Moonbeam that goes to try to marry him when he's 84.

Yes, except as Charlie got older, he just like wore his own size on his outside and I was like, yo boy. He did, he was a lot. Because I'm not gonna lie to you. Charlie was handsome back in the day. He could have fucking opened the school bus door and I would have hopped right the fuck on with my flower crown.

A couple of his mug shots. I was like, hey boy. Okay. Yeah. Okay, Charlie. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Like that's how I feel. Like he's no tidd. All right. Well, the time episode is over. But so we're gonna learn. But I agree with you. He was cute. Yeah, it was only when he started like wearing his crazy-

And like carbon- That size and two is fucking for him. Yeah, no good. Alright, let's get there. We'll get there. So he was born to his- Well, that doesn't make sense, I don't know why. He was born to his mother.

He was born to his mother. That's crazy. He was born to his mother. I think that's what's taking him on that path. Alright, so he was born and his mom was Kathleen to his mother, that's crazy. He was born to his mother. I think that's what sent him on that path. All right, so he was born and his mom was Kathleen Maddox who was 16 at the time and was making her living as a sex worker. Oh, she know.

Yeah, you know, you just gotta do what you gotta do girl. It is reported that she was not really fit for motherhood, which most 16 year olds are. No, definitely not. But that can be supported by the fact that she once tried to sell and successfully actually sold Charlie for a picture of beer.

Oh my God. Like that story. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. I didn't have the best mom, but she never tried to sell me for a picture of beer to my knowledge. No, and you know when I came back to her, you've never been spit bartered for a picture of beer. So it apparently his uncle had to find him. To find him later.

Yeah, she actually gave him away for a picture. Oh yeah, she was just chilling with her beer. She legit, she made the transaction. Yeah, then they just canceled it. You know what though, I wonder if that waitress like had Tate or like the person who like got him in return if she was like a normal person was like Maybe I should take him as payment because I can give him a better life Yeah, and honestly, well maybe you would have been better like think about that for one second. Yeah

How different the world would be if that mattress race Charlie has. Because I mean a lot of it seems like it can be attributed to his crazy ass child. Yeah. So basically he did not have the most stable childhood. He didn't have great role models to look up to. Definitely not. His mom and his uncle were stealing cars and robbing stores left and right, like, in and out of jail. Yeah, and he was along for the ride the whole time. Oh yeah, he was with them.

And so he started stealing too. I mean, that's what he was basically race to do. Well, and apparently his uncle was like sadistic. Well, so he was, when his mom was in jail at one point, he was sent to live with his super fucking religious aunt. And, which there's nothing wrong with that. He was only five or six, two things. Yeah, he was six.

And a parent, I don't know if this is true, and I wasn't gonna say it, but now I'm just like, what a, well, I read something too, so I wonder if this is true. All right, we'll see. We'll see. The, on the first day of school. Yes, this is what I read. Okay, do you think this is true? Okay. Because I, long and full of the same. That on the first day of school. Yes, this is what I read.

Okay, do you think this is true? Yeah, okay. Because I read it on like a weird site. His uncle was a piece of shit. So his uncle dressed him up like a girl because he was like a sensitive kid. Right. And he cried a lot.

And he said if you weren't asked like a cry baby, you're gonna be like a little girl. Which is so fucked up. I'm dad and her it's my heart. Yeah, and I don't know if he like sent him to school which is so fucked up. I'm dad my heart's my heart. Yeah, and I don't know if he like sent him to school. I think he did. Yeah, he said it was the first day of kindergarten. Yeah, like a little, and also can you imagine being the

fucking teacher and you're like, wait, especially in like 1930 whenever. Exactly. But it's not like this kid is like this is what I wanted to wear. So like, you know, my uncle forced me to wear this. Yeah, like, that's awful. Like, gross. So eventually his mom gets out of jail and he's excited.

And she just never really paid too much attention to him. Like, she didn't, she wasn't super maternal. No. And she sent him to her reform school. Um, at one point his name was no name. By the way. What? Okay, I didn't know that. He was still one years old and she I just had to throw this in because I did not know that. I did. This was like a random little tidbit that she did his sister. His mom did start like dating a

man. Yeah. Named William Manson, which is where he got his last name. And he was super, he was wailed in her and they lived together at one point. He was one year old and his name was No Name Manson. So she didn't name him Charlie when he was first born. He was literally No Name for like a year. I had no idea about that. Yeah, isn't that bananas?

So actually, Kaylyn Lowry from Teen Mom didn't name her kid for like a wicked long time too. And I was like, to be, is that bananas? So actually, Kaylyn Lowry from Teen Mom didn't name her kid for like a wicked long time too, and I was like, do you, is that legal? You can, I mean, I'm pretty, I could be wrong, and I'm sure people yell at me if I am. I feel like they don't let you leave the hospital. I thought you could. But I don't know, because I remember like,

and I'm, I'm imaginative like, Kaylyn Lowry from Teen Mom started angry tweeting us or something I hope she does because why aren't you naming your child? Well, I'm pretty sure she was out of the hospital and they had a name term like they didn't give a name. I don't understand that. But anyways, this is not a fucking cast about Teen Mom too. Come at me because I don't understand that. I didn't know that. I didn't find that anywhere.

Yeah, he was no name, Manson. So that'll fuck you up. So that'll I didn't know that. I didn't find that anywhere. He was no name, Manson. So that'll fuck you up. So that'll fuck you up, yeah. You can host the best backyard barbecue. You can find a professional on Angie to make your backyard the best around. Connect with skilled professionals to get all your home projects done well. Inside to outside, repairs to renovations. Get started on the Angie app or visit Angie.com today.

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Yeah, I didn't so they were like pretty long since because you yeah, it's because once once you cross across state lines. Which is a felony. So they were pretty long steps. It's because once you cross the state lines, it becomes a whole different border. A whole different border. So that's basically what he was in a nutshell for. Well, that's apparently when he got sent to the reform schools, it was because his mom, when he was 12 years old, she literally went to a judge and was like,

yeah, I don't want to take care of him anymore. Yeah no she literally literally just didn't want him. I did not to take care of him anymore and that's why they sent him there and then he escaped the first one and ran back to her and she rejected him again and sent him back to the school. Like do you know how much that that probably sent I mean that did it a massive. Oh, and he also like and I'm like not saying like oh He claimed like I totally believe it that they like abuse the shit. Oh no those School schools are known for it He said that every other prison he went to was paradise compared to that to the school Yeah, he said literally he would do any other school like because they literally like those prison guys

Raped kids. Yeah, they would turn their backs while other kids raped kids like they it's fucking now Oh my god, like so he not only did he go to reform schools and get rejected by his mother multiple times, but he was also being Violently abused in any way you can imagine in these schools So it's like this dude is learning violence and rejection and well and it's just like What like nature versus nurture like perfect example. Oh yeah. What would have happened if he was born into an actual

or given to that Tim? Or given to that. Where is that waitress? Man, I would love to know what life would be like doing for real. If I ever got like a back to the future moment, I would be like, that would be it. I want to know what you're doing.

I'm going to that bar. I'm going to find Kathleen Madhush moment. I would be like that would be it. I want to know how I'm going to that bar I'm gonna find Kathleen Madhush. Maybe he would be like brilliant or something. Maybe a brilliant musician. He, okay, well got there. He probably would have been. Yeah. Or something. He'd be like a fucking like Tom Petty. Yeah. Actually, I would be like I can't Yeah, I was good. I was about to say like, we are so pretty. And was like, no, no, no, but I see. Oh, I know, like he could have been like a beach boy, you know. You know, maybe he would have been the fourth one. Thank you. Are there three?

No, I think there's four. Maybe he would have been the fifth one. There might be five. Maybe there's 12. I don't really know. He'll be the beach boy that's off to the left. He'll be the other beach boy. So yeah, so by the time that he was 32, he had spent over half of his

life in prison. So that blows my mind. Like what is half a 32, 16? Sure, I don't know. Yeah, that is. So over 16 years in prison and you're 32. That's bananas. Like what? Yeah. And when he was released from prison for the second time in 1967, he asked to stay in jail. Oh yeah, and there was a point during reform school where there was a little glimmer of his violent tendencies where they did catch him raping another boy

with a razor to, it's throat. So that was, and although I've heard interviews with him, where he says, and I've read things too about like other these kind of schools, that like, I think that shit goes on. The kid, they just tend to start having sex with each other because they're- Well, I mean, you're fucking locked up in your hormones of rage, yeah.

At the point in your life where you're really really that's the one thing you're thinking about. So it ends up happening, which whatever, that's a whole different trail to go down. Yeah. But so that's a thing, but this is not an instance of that, like, consensual in any way. This is him holding a razor to his throat. So it's like, it's a little dilemma of like, oh, that's fucked up. Yeah. Like, that like that's not okay but I wonder if like that had happened to him and so in his mind oh and I'm sure what's him yeah like I'm sure he wasn't just like I think he was just being this is what he knew right like this is how he was raised someone you hold the razor like that is really in that situation right or he didn't seem to be that forceful with sex.

Like he didn't seem like he was violently raping people. No. Which we'll get to obviously. But right. It's a very weird, he has a very interesting sexuality. Sexual like things. He was very like psychedelic about you. Yeah, he was like everyone have sex at the moment.

I'm a god, you're a god. We're all gods. Yeah Honestly, if he didn't like kill people like his idealistic things would have been like he would have just been a fucking hit He would have been a silly hippie like they go to the hippies that like he probably would have been at the party like around the street that they have every year He would we have okay tall Just do tell real quick time We have had had I know I'm still tall, just due to real quick time. We have had, I know, I'm still not accepting it, but it's true, because the T.P. is gone now, so I have to accept it.

Do you think that they took it with them? I'm sure they did. Like is it affordable? I bet they did, because they just lived that life. Let's tell our listeners what the phone we're talking about. Around the corner from us, when we moved into this house, we were walking our dog one night, and we passed by this house with peace sign like wind chimes and like

mirrors and like all this art hanging everywhere in this backyard and in the center like this big giant teepee and I mean huge like the side as tall as the tree yeah and then I see the people and it's a man and two women which live your life and know what I was a waitress I used to wait on them because when I saw them I was like wait a second. Yeah You're like wait and they were wearing tie-dye shirts with peace signs on their hair It was a long long beard and they all had the really nice hair. They all were like, hey man Of course I walked by and I was like this is Amazing. Yeah, and then we figured out because we moved into our house in October.

As soon as summer came, I just see all of them. No, it wasn't summer. No, it's the beginning of fall. Yeah, it's like September October. Because I love them even more because I was like, yeah, fall. Yeah, celebrate fall. Because we were going to the fall. So I'm going back to me now.

Oh my god, guys. Yeah, remember? I feel like this year when we go to haunted houses We're gonna have to do podcasts about our haunted house adventures But it won't be the same because we won't have the hippie party to start us off That's true, but we're gonna share our haunted house adventures with you, but yeah, I dig us sorry so Let's go to the one we're definitely going to because this year now we're gonna have now we'll have to Because we have an awful be held accountable exactly

but they have this Massive party in the beginning of fall where they have a live band They have hundreds of people at their house. It is literally Woodstock re-encart. It is wonderful It's like all it because like it's not an annoying party that you're like no I would wish you guys would chill. It's like so chill some music like live band Everyone's just singing and dancing and I want to go everyone's hanging out and every for like two years We were like we need to get we need to become friends with them and go to this party and then this year Is the first year we're not gonna have them because they just moved and I am devastated.

Where do you think they moved to? I don't even know. Like Colorado or some shit. I don't know. But whoever they moved near, man, are so lucky. So lucky. Because we would literally sit on our back porch

and like listen to the music. Like live, I'm curious. And we would look at all of our neighbors and everybody else doing the same thing. Everybody was sitting in their backyard or on their porch just listening. And it was such a chill neighborhood, like cool people moment.

Like you were just like, everybody's just hanging out in the back porch, listening to this cool music. I just love that. And I'm gonna miss it so much. I know, honestly, let's just do the party. And let's just have a great, a happy party. Let's build a fuck, if anybody could build a teepee, it's just do the party. Yeah, let's just have a great summer. Happy party.

Let's build a fuck if anybody could build a teepee. It's your house. I'm very happy. I'm very happy. Call of grassy. He built like some weird box thing for your kids the other day. I did. Those pictures were so cute.

How cute was that? I'm really cute. Yeah, I guess I had a box from one of their toy, like a huge box. And I just strung some twinkle lights in it and my kids were obsessed with it for hours and now call it their house and our like I love it. I didn't know they call it their house. I have this weird obsession with getting more cardboard and making them some elaborate. Making them a fucking mansion. I'm gonna make them a crazy yes outside of cardboard. I like cardboard. I'm going to make them a good bud of love. But, okay.

We've gone to a really happy place. Let's get back to this dark dirty, heavy place. Hit the love. Well, no. So, we're not at the dark part with the place. Yeah, we're not there. Well, okay. So, when he was released from prison after spending over half of his life there, like the

amount of time he's been in and out, whatever, blah, blah, blah. He apparently asked us to stay and said, well what he says is literally like my heart, I run it in my heart ache. Because he's institutionalized at this point. Literally, this is how he knows that. He said, oh no, I can't go outside. I know I won't be able to adjust to the world,

not after I spent all my life locked up and my mind was free. I'm content to stay here and take my walks around in the sunshine and play my guitar. So no one would have fucking died. Like none of that crazy wild shit would have happened. That's just sad. He would have walked around the fucking yard playing his guitar in the goddamn sunshine.

He just wanted to play music and just like how was your team? And what's even sadder about that is before he had gone back in in 1955 he Married the first woman he slept with I don't know her name. Did you have a kid with yeah? She got pregnant when he was 21 and They I think when he went into prison he wanted to he was gonna He wanted to come out and be straight and get like be there for his kid. But his wife took his son and left him for a truck driver while he was in prison.

And that's why he said he was like fuck that, like he never spoke to them again. He never spoke to his son, he never spoke to his wife or whatever. But that's why he was like well she is coming out to nothing. She sent him a divorce decree and person, and just left him for a truck driver. I'm like, that's not cool, man. Yeah, fuck that lady. Shit. Really, like, Charlie, you just had some really unfortunate shit out of them. He had a lot of bad plots in life, I'm just gonna tell you. Yeah, and it's like, you can literally say literally say like before he did anything crazy bad

It's like none of this like up court like even him being a criminal at this point It's like but he was conditioned from birth Well, it's like that's all he knew so it's like you can't go with his mom and his uncle on like and at this point He wasn't committing violent crimes. No, he was just stealing like we're in the mask cars at this point, he wasn't committing violent crimes. No, he was just stealing liparins. So it's like at this point, it's just like, he kind of is like a sad case. Just sad case. Yeah, like, in just say, I just want to play my guitar. Yeah, you just want some pretty music, man. Because I don't have my wife anymore.

My fucking kid is gone. Yeah, like, and he at this point, what is he like, 21 at this point? Right. Well, and that's like rejection like your mom didn't want you. Yeah, your wife didn't want you. You can't be with your kid like. Yeah. That's awful.

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So, it seems like it's going to get better. Yeah. We actually know in my notes. I was like, after he asked to not be released, I go, however Manson had served his sentence and it was time to go, dot, dot, dot, unfortunate. Unfortunate. It's like that he can't stay hashtag unfortunate. I just wrote he could have been a contender Yeah, literally and I think also during this whole thing He this is when he got super into like studying philosophies. Mm-hmm like Islam psychology hypnotism and Scientology, which is a cult cult cult cult cult cult

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a rock star like he believes literally everything happened because his only goal was to become a rock one i'm gonna jump ahead of myself but the reason why he even ended up at Sharon Tate's house was because he'd like he wasn't who she was like she wasn't supposed to be involved in it all somebody else was yes which is crazy Like totally get to that level. I know, but that's what I want to fucking get to. I know. It's like you want to just like have- Well, that is such a valid point.

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Yeah, so he served his time. He wasn't allowed to stay. Oh yeah, and can I cut it, sorry. I did find this, and I actually checked this with last podcast on the left, which is an amazing podcast, and you should go listen to it. So true.

They're really amazing. And when he was released his prison conduct sheet, which I think is just like progress report when you're right off, said he has a pattern of criminal behavior and confinement that dates to his teen years. And this pattern is one of instability, whether in a free society or structured institutional community, little can be expected in the way of a change in in a free society or structured institutional community, little can be expected in the way of a change in his attitude and behavior or mode of conduct. Wow.

So they were literally like this kid has been institutionalized his entire life. Literally forever. And they literally said like little can be expected of like a change in the future. I don't know. I mean, they should just kept up. Like is there like a law in I don't know I mean they should just kept Like is there like a law against that or something? I'm assuming it's like money and like Reasons it is tax for it's money probably I they were probably worried that at some point He like sue them or something and be like I didn't want to stay they mean yeah I'll pass my thing, you know, you mean right, but now you say that that guy is so right like I really truly feel like if he had just become a rock star

Like none of this what I have I know that's like a big really bold statement to make but it kind of makes sense Especially because like he though reason he was at that house Exactly, but the reason they went there to begin with and that's and that's I mean that's John Douglas He was like in the behavioral science unit at the FBI, like, it's not some sort of... It's not like he's just like, I think he knows what he's talking about and it makes so much sense. Yeah. So, okay, so he gets released and he moves to San Francisco in the summer of love. San Francisco.

Yeah. Whenever I read San Francisco, I like a thing is wake up San Francisco Because I watched far too much for us and my childhood. I love it so much I just think it is a the mom is in the poppers That song that's like in with flowers in your hair. Oh, yeah I don't know about it. It might be I hate that I'm singing into this microphone right now I'm gonna listen back to that you're gonna add it and I'm gonna be like Girl I'm gonna be like I

Want to say I wanted I sang to me. Oh, I don't I failure Can I also just fucking say that why wasn't I alive during the summer of love? Let me be the first to say I should have been that as 100 I would have flourished in this decade. Like look at what I'm wearing right now. Oh my God, I wish, in fact, I'm going to take a photo of Ash and post it on the Instagram so you can see that she's watching this. I legitimately look like a fucking hippie and I did not plan it.

And the best part is, like even if we weren't doing this one This is what she would be I wore this dress to work today. It says what she wears and I'm gonna also tell you It's really cute though. Thank you. It's way too short and I had to wear like a little short underneath it because I was like a girl But it was like the cleanest thing that I had and I was just like it's Friday That's a fucking hippie It's just a cleanest dirty thing. That's just a cleanest thing I had. That's just dirty, I'm fucking gross. The cleanest thing I had, but it doesn't cover my butt.

Also, I really wish that I had time to do this because one of my coworkers had to do like dance hair. Like there was like a prom or like a semi-formal or something. And we had a huge fucking thing of baby's breath. And I had my hair like twisted in these little things. Oh my God. With a few twisted baby's breath. Well, I wanted to, but I didn't have time. and these little things with it. Oh my god. If you would twisted baby's breath,

you'd have been in a big room. Well, I wanted to, but I didn't have time. I was gonna ask my friend and then I like, I was like, I gotta get out of here. And I left. You would have been hanging off of Charlie Manson's VW bus. I'm gonna let you know that I would have. You would have joined the family.

Fucking, my feet would not have touched the floor. You would have joined the family. I wouldn't have murdered anybody. No, but you would have totally joined the family. Yeah, I would have been like the girl that gets away. Yeah, I wouldn't have been one of the floor. You would have joined the family. I wouldn't have murdered anybody. No, but you would have totally joined the family. Yeah, I would have been like the girl that gets away. Yeah, I would have been one of the ones. It's like, I just like to live on the ranch. Yes, let me live on the ranch.

I would just like free love. Actually, really fucked up. Things happen on the ranch. I mean, I wasn't alive during summer. I'm going with that. A lot of shit happened during the summer of quote unquote love. Love. Love's a fucked up place.

Yeah. OK, so he moves to San Francisco during the summer of love quote unquote love. Love's a fucked up place. Okay, so he moves to San Francisco during the summer of love and he begins dating 23 year old Mary, I don't know if it's Brenner or Brunner. I think it's Brunner. She has 14 Brunners. Do you know her nickname? Okay, I didn't even fucking write them down, so please. I got two big ones. I've read them and I was like, I'm not gonna sit there and say all of that. I have a few. It's her nicknames are ridiculous. Mary Ochi

Yeah, Ochi just So mother Mary Mary Manson Linda D Manson. I want to know okay my favorite one. Yes, Christine Marie Utes I just I don't even see Christine Marie Uuths when I read it on whatever I read it I was like Linda D like your fucking name is Mary. I'm confused and Christian and Christian Euths Some of these Nick I have because I wanted to make sure to write down all the nicknames because they are bananas for all of these like Oh, man for his kid. Oh, it's amazing and first. Okay, so so I'm jumping in. So as come out, I'll tell you the nickname. So he begins dating Mother Mary Christine, you'd slend a D Mary Brunner and 17 other people, just kidding, it's just one person.

Um, eventually the two move in together and somehow Charlie convinces her to let 18 other women live with them. Damn. If Annie was like, oh, I just have these 18 other fucking ladies that are gonna live with us I'd be like please feel free to go fuck yourself and like no like good guy He even brought a 16 year old. Yeah, well, it was the summer. I love so the summer of everyone was welcome Yeah, that's not okay, and I'm he was having relations He was he was having relations. He was all of the life. He was having fucking relations.

After spending a lot of time in reform schools in prison, setting sex with other dudes. I'm sure he did not. His first team to keep up with him. He was pretty psyched to be having sex with him. Oi. So they base it. I feel like they ended up being like his groupies.

Yeah. Like a rock star Charlie. They were calling them like Charlie's girls. Yeah, he ended up, he hooked up with a dude named Reverend Dean Morehouse while he was hitchhiking. The Rev. Obviously. Obviously.

He gave Charlie a piano. He gave Charlie a piano. He gave him a piano. You know, he just gave him a piano. And he traded that for a VWP. That's what the summer of love was. Wow. Okay, I know that I just said that I didn't want to be alive I took it back, but I'm recanting that statement again. I wanted to be like he traded APN over a VW bug And that's when he started like collecting family. That's when he started

Oh, yeah, like putting them on the fucking bus when you pull up in a VW book and they like revamped it and like Pillows in it and shit. Oh for sure. So he has these 18 girls living with him Like some of them fall off and then some of them get like he like finds these little like hitchhikers and stuff like that He's picking up ladies everywhere. Oh, yeah Because the second Lady that he added to the group is an important one because that's is the squeaky All right, can we just that he added to the group is an important one. Because that's, is the squeaky. A squeaky from. All right, can we just, you know,

the way she got her nickname, like I gotta go. Oh, I don't know the nickname. Oh, tell me. You don't know how to just, by the call her squeaky. No. I'm gonna wait to tell you because it goes with another part of the story

and it's fucking gross. Oh, I'm excited. Is it, is it how they got to stay at spawn ranch? Yeah. Oh, yes. It was, I think it was in 1967 that he met Squeaky. Yeah, when that's, when that's Squeaky from. And she, she didn't end up in the end,

like, you know, spoiler alert, they murdered people later. In case you weren't aware. In case you weren't aware of this, where this was going. She didn't end up being complicit in any of the murders later. Like she was there. But she didn't end up going to prison forever

for pulling a gun on Gerald Ford in 1975, which is interesting. And she didn't end up spending the rest of her life in jail, but not for being associated with Charles Manson. Which is very, like, that's impressive that you are associated with Charles Manor. If you look up, you didn't go to prison for that. If you look up her like Wikipedia page, it literally says like attempt at assassin.

Yeah, because I think the gun didn't go off, but she pulled one out of the gun on the president. And she was like, she was also friends with Phil Hartman in college in high school, which is like bizarre to me. Very weird to watch. That like kind of blew my mind, which is like bizarre to me. Very weird. That kind of blew my mind. She's got an interesting rap. She is. She does.

But she's one of the ones that I think will de-clique her. She's a geek like associate with this whole thing. Yeah. So, yeah. He had like a homecoming queen at one point. He did. One of them is a homecoming queen. Like I think one of the main murderers.

I can't even murder her. It might be Leslie Van Houtten. I think it is because Van Houtten just always to me sounds like such a fucking homecoming but I'm sure we'll get to them later anyway. But anyway, they're all involved in part two. You'll hear more about them. The third member that they picked up around this time was Patricia Crenwinkle. Who's a key player?

She's another one. These are all names that probably sound familiar. Write them down on a post-it. Write that shit down. She's a K-A. Because every one of these bitches has the most wild-training names. So, she was a K-A big patty. What, hate that name?

Don't call me big anything. What a rough nickname. Big patty. Like, that's not cool. Her other nicknames were yellow. Same. Marnie reads or Katie. Like, maybe I think they just like did drugs

and were like, what do you want your name to be now? Literally, I think like it's ridiculous. And she, when she met Charlie, it was in 1967 too. So when they met Squeeferum and they slept together immediately. They did. And she's, this is really sad. I'm just kidding. He did. This is really sad though, because she said when they slept together, he was the first person to ever tell her she was beautiful. Oh. And that's why she said from that point on, she could do no wrong and she

would follow him anywhere. So he like, and he, so this is really sad and like, but he was so good at like praying on this kind of like vulnerability, because she like quit her job, left her apartment, left her apartment going. Well, at this point, he wasn't really like praying on it, I don't think. I think he was praying on it to get followers, but I think he was praying on it to get followers to but I think he was praying on it to get followers. Family. To be a rock star. Like I literally think that was a fun game. Right. So I think he was just trying to get people to call them.

Like I don't think he was violently. No, I don't think so either. Like I'm gonna turn these people to murderers. And honestly, I think you're kind of right, because I think it was like, he didn't have a family. He didn't have sex with everybody and take drugs. Yeah. Now she, she like obviously had super low self-esteem her nickname was big patty I mean that's I really hope he wasn't calling that like your beautiful big pat She you beautiful big also any show you you watch with Charlie Mance and he's just screaming Oh my god, and he's just like one of those do this like you dig

Literally like so like Fuck John parody and so but I But I just picture him being like, I'm a baddie a beautiful! I'm a baddie a beautiful unique. Cause he's just so like, I just picture him screaming every- He also has like a really like kind of like, not like an accent but- He just has that like hippie accent.

Yeah, that like that like beat poet. Yeah, yes, yes. Like he always feels like he's- Like I feel like someone should be snapping. Yeah, he's always like performing poetry at all times. Like yeah, everybody should just be like, but it is later interviews where he's like greasy as fuck and like he's just real dirty and he's like,

brother, brother. And I think he just like got mad that like because he's always saying like if people thought, if I was as mad as like as crazy as everybody thinks I am, blah, blah, I think you got like in his own head and got crazy paranoid I literally like don't think he was crazy. I think that he just like went crazy. I think he did Yeah, like he was I don't think he was crazy to start. No, I don't either. I think he literally like I think He's very much got a lot to do with it Drugs scrambled the shit out of his brain. Yeah, so I don't think he was crazy

I think he was definitely like, his brain had fucking holes in it. Yeah, I mean, and I think he was very misguided in his thinking. And I think that drugs definitely played a role in his upbringing, obviously. Right. But another thing about Crenwinkle,

just to throw it in there for a future riff, is that if you know this case, you've probably seen the crime scene photos or maybe some of them. I like to know about it. You probably know that there's an infamous death to pigs that got written in blood on, I think it was the wall in the lobbyonka's house, which were victims, we'll talk about them in part two. And she was the one who wrote that. She was also the one that wrote Helter Skeleton.

And spelled her wrong. And spelled it Hilton Skeleton. Yeah. Super embarrassing. Real embarrassing. If you're gonna make a spelling hour, now is not the time. Like they just need you to do that real quick. You would have one job.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, you would run a job. Come on, man. So, and she's actually the longest yeah you would run job come on man. So and she's actually the longest serving female prisoner in the California penal system. Wow. Yeah so that's interesting. She's a piece of shit too. Yeah fuck her. She'll be there forever. Yeah. But yeah I just wanted to add her in there because she's a big role. She's a bigger name and they'll talk later. Like squeaky in her pretty big and less leave in. Less leave it out and there's a couple other that I can't name off the top of my head,

but once we go to them, you're gonna be able to go. Yeah, once we got there, you're gonna know. Oh yeah. You'll know. You will know. So then they get an old school bus and revamp that with like hippie pillows and they look live in there. Yeah, that's where they lived.

Like they went up and down the, they were on like a road trip. Basically they went all the way up to Washington state. The back down through like Mexico and back to Los Angeles where they eventually settled. During the time that they were living on the bus, though, Mary, or the original gal, mother Mary fucking you'd spub-a-baw, became pregnant and gave birth to their son Valentine, Michael, aka Poo Bear. And I wrote that in capital letters with like several question marks. AKA Poo Bear. Um, several of the women assisted in the birth, which took place in a condemned house.

Literally just gonna be like, and where did it take place? And I literally wrote dot, dot, dot yikes. Yeah. That's really all you can say. It's a nice to know. You gave birth with your husband or your like man's other ladies were up in your fucking poo bear on your ice. Yeah, like girlfriend.

Look around. You gotta get right. Look around, sweetie. You can't get right with something. Put the LSD down. And you know, and how did the embilical cord get cut? Did somebody like bite it? Charlie bit it. Am I shocked? Charlie is wilded and Charlie's fucking wilded. Is that true? It is, it's true. He said that he, there was nothing else around. So we had to bite the

embilical cord. Wow, that's some good old hippie shit. Yeah, that's hardcore. That's like Aussie Aussie born shit. Yeah, that's like, that's next level. Wow. That's some dirty hippie shit right there. So we beat the Abilical cord. So we beat the Abilical cord.

At this point, I read that they were starting to frequent this like infamous LA party house called the spiral staircase. I want to name my house That right. I can't I bad shit happen there though. There was like double worship satanic activities animal sacrifices blood drinking Yeah, so it's bad news bears and Charlie actually blames this house and his family Regoing this house for like the and going there. And going there. For like the dark turn they took from just being

fucking dirty, you're being so obsessed with each other to like madness and murder. Because he called these people like hardcore, devil worshipping kind of people. That's scary. And at this point he said that not in a million years would I have predicted that things would turn out bloody and bad.

So at this point he said he would never have seen the turn it took. So at this point he was just like let's make music and have sex and take drugs. Like let's not sacrifice animals and really turn shit for the worst. Not scary. And August 1968 the family moved to Svon Ranch which was originally a television set and it was like a movie set for Western films. Yeah, which is crazy. Which is actually really cool. Yeah, I think that's so bad as. Like that, like not bad as it's not all but interesting. Yeah, you can probably see these places in these. Well, and the like the girls said that they used to like games and act like they were like Westerners. They would just run around all day playing fucking weird games. Exactly.

What else do you do? You can see it was used in Bonanza, the lone ranger in Zorro. Yeah, so it was like that's crazy to think about. So it was actually like legit movies. So weird. So it's like that due to, yeah, for real. Well, so by the time they moved there, the owner of the ranch was an old man named George Spahn,

and he was going blind. So he let them live there in exchange for work around the ranch and allegedly Manson ordered some of the women to have sex with him. So he ordered them to have sex with them and that's how squeaky for him got her nickname. Because she, I think, had the most sex with him and when he touched the inside of her thigh, she would squeal.

Oh, okay. A squeak. So, there's that. That's how he's got her nickname. So cute. She was like, probably in her 20s or something and he was like 80 something years old. Oh yeah. I think he was 80 or 80 years old. Yeah. And she was kind of, she was kind of smart about it though because she got to stay in the

main house. Yeah. I mean, she did her fucking cabins and she was like, well she's like, if I gotta have sex with George, I'm gonna live somewhere. Yeah. I mean, and from what I read, like she, he didn't, he wouldn't force her to do it. Like, she just was like, I'm gonna live with it. Man, it's into the, yeah, that's what I read at least. Oh, okay. That she kind of was like cool with it. It was like, well, I got to say in the main house.

I don't know, but the other girls, but I think she was like, she liked the amenities. I read that he ordered some of them to have sex. He probably did. Which, later on, and I've seen my documentaries and stuff that some of them were ordered It's with the vibe here. Yeah Because I remember at like one point I read that like when he first showed up on the music scene He was just playing music and like bars for tips. Yeah, and that the way he would get the tips was that he would tell everybody That him and his two friends

Had just escaped from prison and they were waiting outside Like if no one gave them tips him tips He would say this and then he'd say we were planning to rob this place But I told them that you guys were gonna give me tips so that they won't you know like so I if you don't make it on It's way I'm gonna bring them in here and they're gonna rob this place So give me money or they're gonna rob it. And he was like, it's surprisingly effective. It's just surprisingly effective.

But this just made me think that later he actually met some of like the rock stars at the time. Like, he met Neil Young somehow. And Neil Young was actually kind of impressed by him, which he has a song about. Like Charlie Manson and everything that happened. Oh, does he? I didn't know that that's interesting. I guess he said to some rock writer at the time he said he had this kind of music that nobody else was doing he would sit down with the guitar and start playing and make up stuff different every time. Music I thought he was very unique I thought he really

had something crazy something great he was like a living poet. Damn. Which is pretty... So he literally could have been a fucking rock star. I think like he just like he had, I think the sound, like the sound that the time was going for. Yeah. He had something, and even John Phillips of the Mamas and the Poppas, which was a huge band at the time. They were like the California dream and people. They almost were like talking about recording together at one point. Yeah. Which is crazy.

And he said, but he said about Vanson. I just shudder every time. I'd say, no, I think I'll pass. Look as Charlie was probably like, I'm on a record with you! You dig. You dig. Snap it, snap. Snap it, snap. Bongo Snap it, snap, snap.

Bongo, bongo. And he just starts to throw an LSD on his tongue. Literally, he's acting like you dig. No, I don't want anything to do with that. But he also met Dennis Wilson, and in front of the C-Sie wrote, Dude from the Beach Boys. To remember from the Beach Boys. I just wrote Dude.

Dude. He basically is just dude from the Beach Boys. He's like the least Important I like the Beach boys music. I don't know anything about them But like I I put them on my place and that's what's funny because it's like and I think you do that because you were raised by Papa Well, yeah, and Papa fucking loves the Beach boys. My dad is a Beach boys fanatic. He loves the Beach boys Well, and apparently they're all like a bunch of like beach voice. And apparently they're all like a bunch of like,

Dianna f**ked up individual. Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to be like slander or a zero, but like I've heard great things about that. I've heard like weird, like other kind of crazy. Yeah. But Charlie fucking could have fit right in. Yeah. And this is actually, this is a huge, this is a huge part of the whole entire story. So in the summer of 1968, Charlie meets the dude from fucking the Beach Boys Dance Wilson, because Wilson picks up two women from the Manson family who were actually Patricia Crenwinkel and Elijah O'Baley. Big Patty. Big Patty there. They were hitchhiking. So he

brings them to his house in Pacific. Is it palisades? Palisades, I think it is. Yeah, palisades. Not from California, we don't know fucking Massachusetts. I'm like, Pala seduces. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces, though. Pala seduces,

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I love it. But they actually became close with like, he became close with the family and they lived there. They all lived there for a year. And over the next few months, they would hang out, sing, do drugs together. Wilson paid for Studio Time where Manson recorded songs that he'd written. Which is so crazy. You can listen to those songs, too, a lot of the demos are around.

I've never listened to them because I don't know if I've ever been able to do one song. Because I don't know if I want to cover Charlie Manson's song stuck in my head. I don't know if I'm ready to do it. No, I think they're more just like unsettling. Yeah, but no, I'm not shocked. Also a fun fact, this is gross, but he apparently paid for some of the treatment of the women's gonorrhea. They also once borrowed his car and wrecked it,

and it cost almost $21,000 to fix because it was unshared. Oh, shit. So overall, he apparently spent $21,000 to fix because it was unshared. Oh, shit. So overall, he apparently spent $100,000 on the Manson family in total. I bet he's regretting picking up those chicks. And they also, because they had such close ties with him, they met other people in the entertainment business, including Greg Jacobson, Terry Milcher,

and Rudy Altobelli. Altobelli? That sounds good. Who owned the house that Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski would later rent from him. Major Yikes is what I read from the Yikes. Not a good home. Yeah.

So during the time that they were living with Wilson and then they moved to spawn ranch. Charlie becomes more and more obsessed with the like idea that he's like this godlike figure and his followers. He thought that his followers were and told them that they were reincarnations of the original Christians obviously. He led his family on many acid trips where he would guide them throughout their trips and he would reenact the crucifixion.

As one does. You know, like I just did like an hour ago for sure. Absolutely. And I wasn't on acid but it was still amazing. Yeah. And one of the interviews, I think it's Patricia Crenwinkel. I'm not positive. But I was watching this any documentary on it.

And she said like she remembers like being on acid and like watching him and he was so in control And she just remembered feeling so out of control And then she said she was like but then I like realized I never saw him take the acid So I'm sure he took I think he went for many points. I'm sure when he was like trying to be the one being God playing God He wouldn't take it and he would put them on Because he's putting them all in such a warped place And he would literally just dip his fingers into their mind and do it

I would say to that because a lot of them were runaways, too. Oh, yeah, they ran away to live It turned me into 16 17 year old. Yeah, like when they first joined. And he would say to them, like, I still see your mother on you. Like, why is your mother on you? Like, or like, like, she said to you. Like, she said to you, like, fuck them up mentally. And she'd be preyed on the little tiny things that were like a part of them.

Yeah. And like, this is like random and I don't even know if it, I don't know why he did this. Maybe you can know because your science person or like explain it to me, but he would one of them said that like he would put his hands up and they would put their hands on his and he would like move his hands all around like and move their hands and you are supposed to mirror exactly like the face that he was making. And maybe it something, I mean, I don't know if Charlie Manson was reading about mirror neurons. But it's supposed to be that like we have mirror neurons that are we will mirror other people's like basically like expressions and emotions. And maybe he was trying to delve deep into that and start. Maybe he was just a spiritual

but that's like manipulating that scientific fact for his betterment which if he was man like he really could have done awesome things if he had used that brain and not destroyed it with drugs but yeah so he would like do like like fuck up things to them basically when they were on acid He was just trying to get them as his little army It was almost like a Jeffrey Dahmer style like way less violent how Jeffrey Dahmer wanted to make like people Like his little ex-albums. Yeah, yeah, like but Jeffrey Dahmer did in a much different way. Yeah, very different Well, it's like the same mentality of like,

I wanna make them what I want them to be. Yeah, he was molding them. In like a precarious situation. So that I can make them what I want. Yeah, yeah, like mold them. Well, so I don't know if this is jumping ahead too far. So stop me if you wanna have anything. But in addition to believing that his family

was reincarnated, he also believed that there was a great racial war coming. Yes. Between black and white people he felt that soon black people would rise in rebellion against white people and he referred to this as Helter Skelter and where did he get that? He really really loved this band. I don't know if you guys have heard of them. The Beatles. I know I hope I said that correct. Yeah, I think it's not Beatless. No, no Beatles. Yeah, Beatless. Okay. So he was obsessed with the Beatles and he felt like many of their songs were like speaking to him indirectly, like,

messages. And yeah, there was one instance where I don't know if they lived in a yellow house or something in the middle of this but he called it their yellow submarine. Probably that makes sense. It was like hiding them and then he saw what he thought would like clues in their songs. In the biblical book of Revelation and the Beatles White Album in particular, which is their trippy astal because they were all so much LST. He really mainly saw stuff in the songs, Piggy's, Blackbirds and Helter Skelter, which is Piggy's and Helter Skelter, played a main role in the huge role. What we'll talk about next week. Wilson did eventually like obviously kick them out of his house. Yeah.

Manson later accused the Beach Boys of reworking one of his songs and including it on their 1969 album 2020 without crediting him. I wonder if they'd I bet they did that. So from everything I've read they did. Yeah, like I think he was right. They did. Yeah, like I think he was right. It says that Wilson took one of his songs called Cease 2 Exist and turned it into the Beach Boys song Never Learn Not to Love. And he took full writing credit for himself. Damn. He changed like a couple of the lyrics.

Like change the whole read it. Yeah, and then they just, you know, harmonized and made it their own. That's a huge thing in his life too that he like sites as, you know, what kind of like. Because his head rejection his whole life and now we finally got something and somebody else takes credit for it. And that's bound up until like musicians all over the place. Yeah, it probably has. And he, that, one of, that producer you mentioned Terry Melcher that he introduced him to. He actually came to watch him perform at spawn ranch. Like he agreed to watch him in May 1969 I have down here, but he left and was

like unimpressed by everything and they sites that to see. So again another rejection. And he said like that's when things got really dark. And that's the thing like he kept discipline like it didn't work out with Dennis Wilson it didn't work out with Terry Melcher. He kept got really dark. And that's the thing, he kept discipline, it didn't work out with Dennis Wilson, it didn't work out with Terry Milchery. He kept getting so close. And then it would have totally disappeared from the space. And that's when he started the crazy LSD trips with his family and trying to control them and being like, there's a racial war coming.

Exactly. Now that he was doing that spiral staircase shit, partying and stuff. He was just getting darker Well, like it's almost like little seedlets were like planted like a trail And then it's like this big fucking explosion at the end which we will get there Now this is gonna be we've decided a three-carder So you're in for the long haul. Yeah, taking the reins for three, I know, both of those. This is Ash taking the driver's seat for three whole fucking episodes. Except thank God you're here because you also helped with the research because I'm the most,

I did the most basic, this is the amount of research. No, I actually did. I thought my research was like pretty good. Yeah, I was gonna say you did good research. I just get into the little minutia. But yeah, so that's part one of chale. Chale. So now we're... So next week we're gonna get into the murders everybody. Yeah, next week's gonna be the Gritty. The Dark Times. So like take a bubble bath this weekend. Take a bubble bath, do a face mask. Yeah, drink some like mimosa. Yeah, I haven't had them unless those are always nice.

Oh my god, I have them. Oh, you don't drink your milkshake, I got you. I didn't yet. Ooh, that's exciting. It has to be a little coffee and it doesn't drink it now. Well, it's probably not real coffee. Exactly. Oh, I shout out to this podcast I listened to called,

and that's why we drink. Because it's like two girls and one of them does ghost stories and one of them does um like just like true crime what we do that's that's a really good it's a cool setup yeah and one of them some ghost stories to on here we're gonna delve into like pack yeah well so but one of them drinks like alcohol but the other girl doesn't drink and she just drinks milkshakes that's's amazing. And I literally listen to it every day. Is this us? It's literally us.

And she's always talking about all these yummy milkshakes she has, and I was driving today to your house. And I remembered that me and Marissa in high school used to go to what was once little peach and then to duskies, and now is a 7-Eleven. And we used to go get these crazy yummy milkshakes because they have a milkshake maker. Which I had no idea.

Um, it's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. And I made us both milkshakes and I drank mine in a point four seconds. And I opened the door and she just handed me this and I thought, I didn't even say anything. She's like, you are. You are. Here's all coffee milkshake.

Here's your coffee. But yeah, so. Part two. Part two. We just gave you so But yeah, so. Part two. Part two, next week. We just gave you so much shout out. We did. So we hope you enjoyed this episode, especially me because I was so nervous.

And you did great. I knew it. You're doing amazing, sweetie. You're doing amazing, sweetie. And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. Woo. Bye. Subscribe, rate, and review. And we hope you keep it weird. Woo! Bye!

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