Morbid - Episode 72: Jesse “Madison” Holton Mini Morbid

Episode Date: June 9, 2019

Come on down to Alabama where Jesse “Madison” Holton is raising hell, keeping his parents on their toes and about to take a trip to juvie. That is, until his parents are both killed in what he claims was a tragic murder/suicide. Was it as it seemed or did a troubled teen rid himself of what he saw as the problem? This is one that we still can’t quite figure out. Visit our sponsor: Murder Apparel at Murderapparel.com and use our code MORBID for 25% a rad horror/true crime themed shirt! Make sure you check out their exclusive Morbid design while you are there!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So because this is a mini episode, we don't really have any business to get to. We'll save that for next week when we come at you live with part two of Phoebe Hans-Juck. Yes. But it won't be live. So anyway, let's just dive into this mini morbid right now. It's really late just seeing this. Guys, my birthday is tomorrow. It's true. This is my last podcast as a 22-year-old. Guys, that's big. It's huge. It's huge. My last meal was my favorite pizza joint as a 22 year old my whole family. I was just gonna say,

my last meal. What's gonna happen? Yeah, I don't know. God only knows what 23 has in store. Anyways, so Jesse, Madison Holtin, grew up in eclectic Alabama. Ooh, and this caught my eye because it kept saying eclectic teen. And I thought it was gonna be like an eccentric teen.

Yeah. But it was just where he was from. Oh. So, I love that though. Yeah, eclectic. Eclectic. Eclectic Alabama. So before high school, he wasn't really popular.

And he was actually teased a little bit in middle school and those years for being the small skinny kid. Oh. Mm-hmm. But then right around senior year of high school, he had a growth spurt and he was suddenly popular because that's how life works. Hey, good for him, man.

You get tall and you get chicks. Yeah, that's what happens. What happens? No, no, it's just life. So by all accounts growing up, he was sweet, helpful, like a very typical kid. But senior year is when he kind of started to act out a little bit. Wow, he was like a late bloomer with the acting out. He was very late bloomer with the acting out.

Because I started acting out and like fucking like I was five. Yeah, I'm just kidding. You were on that like right out of the womb. I was like it's time. Which is still like I'm rebelling against things. I don't even know exist yet. I have arrived. And I am here with Avengers.

I mean, my voice really weird for that. It's cool. I like it. So he kind of started, like I said, acting out, he was hanging out with a new crowd of people. So I think that's kind of where it came from. The bad kids. Yeah, he was on the wrong path.

He was smoking and drinking and partying, just like everybody else. And his parents weren't really happy about it, because parents are never happy when your parents just don't understand. Parents are just never happy. I am a parent. Parents just don't understand.

That's a song, right? Yeah, yeah. It's a little smooth. Yeah. Parents just don't understand. Yeah. So yeah. It's a little smooth. Yeah, parents just don't understand. Yeah. So yeah. Exactly.

So yeah, they were like pissed off and they were like, hey, maybe you should stop doing this. And there had been like multiple incidents where they were like, you know, like if you do this again, and then he did it again. So it's like, okay, stop doing that. We've asked you nicely. And also his parents were going through some of their own

shit. They had decided to get separated. Oh, which really sucks. You're like a senior in high school and you're care and society. Yeah, I'm just saying to get separated. And it's like he's going through all this stuff, you're going through all this stuff. That house was probably like tension filled. There was two other kids too.

I believe he was the oldest. Oh man. They don't really talk about his siblings a lot. And I watched this case on date line. Nice. So, yeah, me and Lester were like chilling. Wasn't Keith. No, it wasn't. I was really bummed.

It's okay. But Lester will do. Lester will do. Yeah, and a pinch. And a pinch just grab a Lester. Yeah, like I said, they were getting separated. But they were on the same page when it came to Madison. So, oh yeah, also he goes by Madison. His name is just literally like I don't know what that means. They were on the same page when it came to Madison because Jesse Madison

Holtin went by Madison. Oh, okay, so like Like his name's essentially not Jesse, I guess. Okay. So they agreed that if he kept going down this path with the people that he was going Down it with they were gonna have him locked up in Juve with the people that he was going down it with, they were going to have him locked up in Juvee. Whoa, because he was like making some really bad decisions. I was going to say so he was really going at it. Yeah, that didn't really scare Madison at all because kids are dumb.

Yeah, just didn't work out. Yeah, that's really it. He only explained that for you. And on his Sunday of all days, he decided to have a house party at his dad's house. That is a weird day to do that. So it was September 11th, 2016, when he decided to throw this house party while his dad was at work.

God help my kids. They ever decided to do that. I wrote hashtag casual. Very casual. Your dad is just at work. He's gonna come back. He's at work. He's gonna come back. He's at work. It's on a Sunday.

And I'm like, what time was this? That's what I'm wondering. It was like, it must have been around like new niche, maybe like two, based on an event that happens later. What a weird time to have a house party. It's like almost like he was having like a barbecue, but it like wasn't a barbecue. Oh, okay.

You know what I'm just kind of turned in with something else. Like I'm confused, Jesse. Where are the hot dogs? I don't know. I wasn't a barbecue. You know, it just kind of turned into something else. Like I'm confused, Jesse. Where are the hot dogs? I don't know. I don't get it. It bonds. No hot dogs.

So, okay. So, it didn't really go to plan. Shocked. Another parent called Michael, Madison's dad, who was at work, like I said. And was like, yeah, my kid just came home from your house wasted, so what the fuck is going on? Oh, no. So Michael, who by the way was the former mayor. Oh, yeah, he was like a fire chief. I want to say he was, I don't

think he was a police officer, but he was like a fire chief and then became the mayor. He was literally all the things. He was very prominent in the town, like everybody knew him. So he goes home to find this rager going on with drugs and bongs and like shit everywhere. And he flips out. Can't say I'm blame him. No, of course not. Calls the cops. So when the cops, he like, I'm sure he like kicks everybody out too.

Yeah. When the cops get there, Michael tells them that he has Madison handcuffed inside. Like he handcuffed Madison. Which I'm like, what? Like, I mean, do you're what you got to do to your parenting? And it's a man, obviously this kid was a big, huge trouble. If they were thinking of having him put in Juvee. Obviously he's already shown that he is like beyond. Right. So he might have even been like dangerous. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

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And like they just wanted them to get straight. Yeah, let's you got to take control. So the deputies were like, well, it's Sunday. So tomorrow, what you can do is come down and you can get a copy of the report and then we'll go from there. Oh, my God. This must be so horrifying.

And then they leave, because like, they don't, like, they don't have to arrest him. I don't know how it worked that he, like, didn't get arrested, but yeah, he didn't. Well, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so they leave. So 11 minutes after that, the police get another call

and are rushing back to Madison's house, Oh no. Where his dad was laying dead on the ground. Oh, I knew it. And his mom was dying. They had both been shot. Oh no, I knew this was gonna happen. So Madison's story is that right after the cops left,

his mom and dad went into the master bedroom to kind of like, the dad was like, come in here so we can talk about what's going on. Yeah. And then Madison was like outside because they just wanted to have like a private word. Yeah. So Madison says they went into the master bedroom

to speak privately and then suddenly it turned violent. He says he kicked the door open after he heard his mom yell help and he saw his dad like holding his mom like in like a violent way. Sort of. Like in like a way where it was like he was scared. Yeah.

So Madison says that he ran to get help at the neighbor's house. And that's when his dad shot his mom and then turned the gun on himself and shot himself. That seems like a very quick turn of events to go from A to Z. So the only issue with that story is the logistics of the gunshot. Yeah. It's going to say and it's pretty easy to tell when someone has. Right. Yeah. So at first it looked as though that Michael had shot himself in the mouth,

but then when investigators turned his body around, they realized that he had done this to him, if he had done this to himself, he would have had to use his left hand and he was right-handed. He would have had to reach around to the back of his head, turn the gun upside down at a slight angle and then pull the trigger. I don't see what's so weird about this. Yeah. Just it doesn't seem very likely. I mean, yeah. Not the most likely scenario, but, you know, and it didn't seem likely to the pathologist either who determined Michael's death a homicide.

Yeah, quite obviously. So Madison, which how dumb are you, Madison? Right. It's like you shot him in the back of a head and you're like, no, he didn't. No, he totally didn't. So well, Madison was the only suspect, obviously. Yeah. So he was brought in immediately for questioning, but his story never changed, like not once.

He claimed to be innocent and said there's no way he pulled the trigger because he was running to get help. But there's some things about Madison's story that don't exactly add up. Huh. He said he didn't hear the gunshot, like any of the gunshots, while he was running to his neighbor's house.

But when investor investigator lester, yes, investor. But when investigators got the chance to recreate the scene, it would have been essentially impossible not to hear the gunshots. The neighbor's house was like 250 feet away. Yeah, so that makes sense. And they recreated the whole thing like sent somebody over there and and it was like, you hear gunshots from like miles. I was gonna say, I mean, you can hear it, maybe not miles.

Gunshots from like, you know, far distance. What seems like a town over sometimes, you know? So he also didn't seem very upset by the death of his parents at all. And in a video, he's actually caught flipping off the sheriff right after he leaves the room. Oh, for question. And kids are so fucking dumb. It's like, dude, have you seen any kind of television?

Like you're being recorded right now. This is like just control yourself. Right. It's like not that I want him to because I want him to be caught. But it's like, you just don't do that stupid shit. They do such dumb things. He also is recorded on a phone in jail. Like it's like video recorded right in front of him,

asking if any of the girls he slept with are like, quote, oh, damn, I fucked a murderer. Oh my God. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting grieving techniques that he was going through. Very interesting. Yeah.

It's very important to know. We all grieve in our own way. Yeah, you know, it's very important to know we all grieve in our own way. Yeah, totally. Who are we to judge? Also, the sheriff was like really pissed off about the fact that what General Blame him, Madison was like really sad that he couldn't go to homecoming. But the, my God.

Every interview the sheriff gave, he was like, all he was concerned about was homecoming. Fucking homecoming. Like he said it in almost every interview that they had on date line. Because he was just like, all he was concerned about was homecoming. Fucking homecoming. Like he said it in almost every interview that they had on date line. Because he was just like what to be actual oncoming. So a week after the deaths of his parents, Madison was officially charged with both murders.

Shocked. His friends and family, like including like his mom, his mom's family who he supposedly shot in the head. Or not. Yeah, she was shot twice because she had one bullet go through her hands. Oh, like she put her hand to stop it. And then she got shot. I think in like the side back, like she was like turning away. Oh, that's awful. It's whenever I hear about them getting like,

like, is you hear that everyone's on a defensive move? I defend someone like through the hand, because you just picture someone, because you would put your hand up. Right. Not that it's just gonna stop anything, but it's so sad. So, like I said, his friends and family stopped by him, and they said there was no way in hell

that he could have committed a double murder like this. I feel like anybody who says that though, needs to like take a step back and be like, this is what every single person says about some of the actual confirmed murderer. Well, I'm about to take you on a totally different path than the old man going down. Oh man. So I love these ones. During the investigation, a lot came out about Michael too, the dad.

So was he capable of killing his wife and then turning the gun on himself? I just don't know. So Madison and friends of the family and the family, all agree that Michael was having a very hard time accepting the divorce. Okay. When he found out that April, who was the mother,

was seeing somebody else, according to Madison, he was distraught, who was the mother, was seeing somebody else. According to Madison, he was distraught. He called her and said he couldn't live without her. And in the investigation, they found pages from his diary, which are like very freaky. Little dark. And yeah, so he wrote, quote, I loved you more than you will ever know.

I just can't go on knowing you're with somebody else. I know you will say I'm being selfish, but it was either me or the both of us. Oh, yeah. That seems a little squishy when you line it up against the double homicide. And it was also revealed that at the time of his death Michael was on Tramadol, oxycodone and hydrocodone

Wowser all at once. Wow. Yeah That is a lot of that's a lot. That's a lot of drugs. That's just a thing right there and obviously they asked the family about this. And it was revealed that Michael had a drug problem. And they knew it, but they did the family knew it, but it was just not something that was supposed to be. It was, yeah.

It's just one of those things that gets brushed under the rug, which it often does happen in families a lot. So then there was the physical evidence that corroborated Madison story. Michael had scratches on his face and April had Michael's DNA under her nails. Oh. And there was no blood on Madison whatsoever.

So it doesn't really make sense. It doesn't make sense, but also it was a very small, one of the arguments that like the not defense attorney, but props, the prosecutors made was that it was a very small gun. So it wouldn't necessarily give that much like a lot of blood. But you would assume that there would be like some blood on it. Yeah. Or like gunshot residue. Like I didn't they didn't mention anything in the dateline that I watched about the gunshot residue. But, they didn't mention anything in the dateline that I watched about the gunshot residue,

but I'm like, why didn't they just check his hands? I was gonna say, because normally they would swap his hands for. Right, so they must not have found anything. Huh. So things continued to point toward Madison's story being true when he met Greg Biggs at church. Greg Biggs just so happened to be a former FBI agent and

state's attorney. Oh, so when he met Madison at church he had no idea that Madison wasn't dated on a double murder charge. He was like what the fuck? When he found out? Oh hey, so when he got closer to the family he wanted to kind of help the family because he believed that Madison wasn't a so he offered to go over like all of the family because he believed that Madison was innocent. Wow. So he offered to go over like all of the paperwork and everything like that. So the most key part of his findings have to do with the gun and the argument of whether or not Michael would have been able to shoot himself at the angle in which he was shot. Yeah.

So using the exact same gun, he replicated the scenario. Okay. And he showed it wasn't actually that difficult at all to carry out a self-inflicted gunshot wound the way that Michael would have had to. All he would have had to done is just reach into the back of his head. And when you reach, it's like your hand flips anyway. Oh, yeah. It flips kind of to the side. So that's why it would allow you down.

Oh, it does. Right. Your hand automatically flips. Right. and we're literally both lightly angled We're both sitting here with our hands and finger guns and we're just keep We're looking at each other going And if you look at slightly angle it is. It is. Every time. For sure. Because the gun literally was like about the size of our finger guns. I'm sorry, I don't know exactly what.

It was like a handgun. A small handgun. Yeah, it was very small. That didn't make sense. Yeah. At first, I was like, that's ridiculous. That doesn't make sense. Then you do it with your finger gun.

And it makes sense. Exactly. So. So stressed out. There's that. And then let's also remember that the first time the deputies were called to the house, Michael came out and said Madison was handcuffed.

Oh yeah. Yeah. I actually wondered that. I was like, did they just go in and like unhand cuffed him and be like, they gonna pick you up tomorrow, son? That's what I thought they were doing. And I was like, oh, he was probably pissed and didn't want to go to jail.

No, I think, well, that's like what the whole like prosecutors argument was Yeah, I think when they left he was still handcuffed and according to him he was so he's like, uh, hi Hi, I'm here. Well, I am here. They probably like because the parents went into the room to talk Oh, yeah, they were probably gonna come back out of the gun handcuffs and then have a family discussion But so bizarre it really is like I'm not laughing at death here, by the way. Yes, seriously. Just to be clear, I'm just laughing at the really bizarre scenario that it's like you have your kid handcuffed

and you're like, I mean, you're only just gonna talk real quick. We'll be back. We're gonna have handcuffed. We'll be back. We're gonna have handcuffed. Well, so when the deputies came back the second time to respond to the nine-room-uncall, Madison was still handcuffed when they came back the second time to respond to the 911 call, Madison was still handcuffed

when they came back the second time. Why was that not like immediately? Like, okay, he couldn't have probably done that. Right, exactly. I guess it's possible. Well, the sheriff arguments against that. He says, investigators did find the key to the handcuffs in the living room.

And according to the sheriff, he had two of his men recreate this scenario where they were able to get their arms under their feet and then like which brought their hands obviously into the front of their body. And then they were able to unlock the handcuffs using the key and freed themselves. There's so many recreations happening here. It really is. In the sheriff's opinion, Madison took the handcuffs off, shot his parents because he was afraid that they were going to send him to Juby, then put the handcuffs back on and behind his back again. Side note, Madison's prints weren't found on the gun. What? This is bonkers. And actually, which this is super weird,

only April's prints were able to be fully lifted off of the gun. Really? Yeah. So there was no, they weren't able to get a full print of any, like any full prints at all off of the handgun. Oh, okay. So while the last phases of the jury selection were going on, all of the sudden, the DA came out and said

they didn't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Madison committed the murder. Yeah, no shit. And all the charges were being dismissed. Oh. The pathologist came out saying that he was not prepared to go on the stand and say for 100% that Michael's death was homicide.

Wow. And according to the sheriff, it's an open case and he feels as though Madison has gotten away with murder. Madison says that he has plans on becoming a criminal defense attorney so that he can help someone someday if they ever end up in the same position as he does. Oh my God. So all the charges were dropped. And they were just like, we don't know. And the sheriff is like, no, this is an open case. Like I'm gonna get him someday. But and like people are totally like split.

I was just gonna say this. This must be one of those cases that it's like, you are either on this side or you are on this side. But I don't fucking know. I don't know. If you watch the date line, it kind of makes you lean more toward the dad, did it? Yeah. Once everything is set and done. But the dad, did it? Yeah.

Once everything is set and done. But the whole, the entire beginning, I was like, wow, this kid's a fucking asshole. That's what I was the whole time, I was like, oh yeah. And if you watch it, you hate him. And it's like, well, and it's like them for the first part of it. The motive is there because he knew he was gonna be

putting Juvie, you know? So it's like, he had motive to be like, I'm angry. Exactly. He could have been on, I mean, who knows if he was on drugs or anything. So it's like, I just on pot, I feel. I just on pot. I'm on pot right now. But it's just to think that this kid had the like, wherewithal. He just became a fucking contortionist really. He became this like criminal mastermind real quick and like moved his hand cuffed hands in front of him. Undid them. When in there shot his parents like in

that way. Yeah. Where it could be considered either way. And then walked back out and handcuffed himself again and then put his hands behind his back again. It's like it just doesn't make any sense. I don't know. But it also is like you, I mean, the only like one of the weirdest things about his story is that he says he didn't hear the gun shots. Yeah, that's weird. The only thing I'm thinking is he was just so focused on getting help that he like blanked it out. But I'm like, you didn't hear them at all like, or that like it was just such a like an adrenaline rush that he just doesn't remember hearing them.

Just like I don't. Yeah, that's bizarre. The entire case, I don't know where I stand. I need to look, I think I need to watch the deadline, like six more days. I need to watch that deadline, 17 more times. I'm just have to chill for a little while longer and I'll make a decision

Wow, but I want to hear what you guys think. Yeah, I want to know whatever I want to put a pull up on the Instagram Yeah, we should we should put up a poll We'll do that because this is one of those cases that I don't know either way. I don't even know where I stand It's it makes your question a whole bunch of things it really does Wow, you took me on a roller coaster. You're welcome. Alright guys, well, thank you so much for listening. If you want to keep up with us, you can follow us on Instagram at morbidpodcast. You can find us on Twitter.

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