Morbid - Episode 75: The Murders at Corpsewood Manor Mini Morbid

Episode Date: June 21, 2019

This case has always haunted Alaina and it felt like the right time to let it loose. The brutal murders of Joseph Odom and Dr. Charles Scudder were senseless and horrific. Get ready for some frustration and Satanic Panic because this tale is full of both.  Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/corpsewood-manor-murders https://the-line-up.com/corpsewood-manor https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/corpsewood-manor The Corpsewood Manor Murders in North Georgia by Amy Petulla See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And if you can't tell who this is, it's Elena. Do you think people can't tell their voices apart? A lot of people say they can't tell our voices apart. I like your voice better than I like. I like your voice better. Oh my god. Oh my god. I was listening to the podcast the other day

and I was like, wow, I have the most annoying voice on planet Earth. But then everybody was like your voice sounds like Elena's I was like wow I have the most annoying voice on planet earth But then everybody was like your voice sounds like Lainus. So that means I have No, I just meant that like my voice is annoying and I want yours I'm gonna Ursula up and take your voice off Again, you've been around my kids too. I really have honestly pulling all these Disney references I really have, honestly, pulling all these Disney references. So yeah, tonight is Alina's mini morbid, which means it could be slightly mini

and it could be like four hours. It's not four hours, I can't tell that. I'm gonna fill you all in on a little secret. Alina doesn't know what the word mini means, so this is a full-ass morbid. Thank you, strap into your seats, hold onto your butts. Let's do this. We'll see, we'll see how long this is. Maybe I can get it to onto your butts. Let's do this. We'll see.

We'll see how long this is. Maybe I can get it to a good length. I think I can. I love that my minis are actually 25 minutes. And you're like, I have a mini tonight. It's sex, oh, what? I meant to say sex. It's sex.

That's it. Oh. It is six hours long. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta go now. I gotta go. So this is a good one. And by good one, I mean horrific, but yeah, but really a good one, we mean absolutely got wrenchingly awful.

Pretty much. This is one that has been sitting in my list of cases I wanted to cover forever. And I just am waiting for that moment. I don't know why it feels like the right moment, but it feels like the right moment. You know, if the sun is shining. It is. Also, it's not. So I know you can probably hear the sizzling again in the background.

Indeed. It's another John cooking night. Just so... Guys, he's great. Yeah, just so... Just so you guys know. He's just cooking. So that's sizzling in the background. Not a lot I can do about it. Well tonight's mini morbid is covering the case of the murders

at Corpse Wood Manor. I don't know what that is. And I know it sounds like that is fake and like it's just like a book. An Agatha Christie book or something. Yes exactly. know it sounds like that is fake. And like it's just like, it sounds like a book. An Agatha Christie book or something. Yeah, it's exactly. But it's not, it's real. Tell me all about it. So we're gonna set the scene. We're not, we're just gonna talk.

I was like, we're actually just gonna talk a little bit. I was like, do we do that? So, Dr. Charles Scutter, which I think is a cool name Scutter. Dr. Scutter. I don't know, I just think it's a cool name, Scutter. Dr. Scutter. I don't know, I just think it's a cool name. I could take it away, but.

Dr. Charles Scutter was a professor of pharmacology at Loyola University in Chicago. Chicago. Now, at the moment, we're talking about like the 70s, late 70s. Oh, my time. This doesn't happen in the 70s, we're just beginning in the 70s.

Oh, okay. It happens in the early 80s, so my time. This doesn't happen in the 70s, we're just beginning in the 70s. Oh, okay. It happens in the early 80s, so my time. Yeah. He was also co-director of the Institute for the Study of Mind, Drugs and Behavior, where he basically did a ton of like government-funded experiments on LSD. Oh. But not like LSD, like, you know, just like some dude you bought LSD from, like this is government-created LSD, but not like LSD, you know, just like some dude you bought LSD from, like this is government created LSD. And they were trying to discover what it does. That's the stuff that Charles Manson was like, wow, come in my bus.

That was like, he was looking for this stuff, but he couldn't get his hands on it. So this and it was basically at Loyola University, they were like granted to do this study about like what it did to your mind, you know, behavior, all that good stuff. How do you think they find people to like, I'm sure there's a ton of people that were like, yep, I will take that government in the 70s. No, and to people that were like government-created LSD. I don't know if I want government-created LSD. I don't want any LSD anywhere near me. Yeah. That's what I meant to say.

Thank you, moving on now. I do not want LSD. I just feel like the government like nevermind. I mean, yeah, I feel you. They just nevermind. Either way, Dr. Charles Scouter, along with being the professor from Pharmacology, was also the co-director of that institute.

So he was like doing the damn thing. He was living his best life. He was a widowed father to four boys. Oh, wow. A weird grown at that point. He lived with his two bull-mastiff dogs, named BLsabub in Arsenae. Isn't BLsabub another word for the devil?

Well, it's like one of the demons. Oh, okay. I wanted to hell demons, I believe. And it's funny. That is funny. What was the other one's name? And arsonath or arsonath, I'm sure many people are going to scream and yell at me and I'm going to get 400 messages because I'm sure I said that wrong. And they're gonna tell me that they're taking away my horror card because it's an HP Lovecraft character. Oh. Sorry, I don't know this character.

Sorry. Sorry. So it's Arseneath or Arseneath, I'm not really positive. I like, however you wanna say it. Yeah. However, I like you having free will. Yeah not really positive. I like, however you want to say it. Yeah. However, I like you having free will. Yeah, that's what I like. Do you, bro?

So they were two bull mass stiffs. So there was those like big, just like jaoli, like huge. I mean, these things are like gigantic. So he lives with those two and he loved them. They were like his beloved dogs. His beloved dogs. And he also lived with his housekeeper who was also described by many as his partner. Joseph, Joey, Odom.

Okay. Now, from what it seems, he served as Scutters housekeeper for over 20 years. Oh, damn. Yeah. From what it seemed, Joey, or I'm going to call him Odom from now on, because there's another Joey. Well, there's another Joey that comes into play later, and I don't want to confuse everybody. So Odom, the housekeeper. So Odom, the housekeeper, Odom and Dr. Scutter were like, definitely like intimate, and they were definitely,

you know, and they definitely like were partners, but I don't think they were like in a monomidist relationship, like I think they were able to see other people. It was kind of an open relationship. Okay, and it was the 70s, not exactly the greatest time to be like, you know, waving the pride flag. Right. So they didn't really, they weren't able to be as free as they wanted to be.

So Dr. Schutter was described by all who knew him as fucking brilliant. Well, it sounds like he is a super smart. Yeah, he had a wide array of interests and he was super well read. When they, I mean, one look at his library and it was like the array of subject matters he was into, like in anything he needed to learn,

he just read a book about it and would do it. Damn. He was just one of those people that was like, I can figure that out. I love that, right? Odom, he was like on the total opposite end of the spectrum. He came from kind of like a poor family. He only had a fifth grade

education. But he was, but he had like taught himself to cook. He was like very skilled in cooking. He loved cooking. And even though they were really opposite, they were totally like in sink and inseparable. Well, like opposite to trash. Yeah. And they just seemed like they, you know, they just really got along. Yeah. And Odam was like really adept at keeping house and taking care of everything and cooking and he liked doing it. So it's just like, it's a win-win situation. Now, Skutter, like a lot of brilliant people,

was what some would refer to as eccentric at times. Yeah. He played a golden harp and he played it beautifully and he taught himself how to play it That's like really cool. And he also painted a ton He made the stained glass windows. What and again taught himself how to do all this stuff just read it and figured it out He also did things like like dying his hair purple for a bit Same. Yeah, and he had a pet monkey at one point. Same.

I mean, he's just living his life, to be honest. And what's funny is it's like he's like a professor of pharmacology at like a very person just school and he's got like purple hair. I love that. So he's eccentric, but he's awesome. He seemed like, I'm awesome dude. Yeah.

He seems cool. I hope he doesn't murder someone later. He was also very interested in the Church of Satan, which carried its own stigma because, and it still does, because people have no fucking clue what that is. People are very misinformed about what the Church of Satan is actually about. Yeah, it's actually like not that bad. Satanist don't worship the devil. It's not bad at all.

No, they just like worship like the earth. No, Satan is, Satan is, don't worship the devil. They are atheists. Okay. So basically the religion is about seeing yourself as the quote unquote God kind of like into it. Like you worship your own needs.

Yeah. Like it's all about looking at what you need and taking care of you and your, they don't worship any God. Yeah. Like it's all about looking at what you need and taking care of you and your, they don't worship any God. Cool. They also don't see Satan or believe in Satan as a being or a person. Like they don't believe in that. Oh. They actually just. Why are they called Satanist then? Because it's kind of a symbol of like rebellion and kind of a symbol. And it's, I think from what I've read and I could be wrong, if there's anybody who is listening right now who is a Satanist and would like to enlighten me on this, I did read

in a couple of things that these, the Satan, like, you know, moniker and the Satan symbol is kind of like to them their nose at like Christianity. I mean, like it's kind of to be like, yeah, this dude is not what you guys are making him. I kind of digs. He's not real. Like this is just a symbol. Yeah, like fuck you guys. Yeah.

So they don't worship Satan the devil or anything like that. They don't worship anything except themselves. Sounds lit. It is. It sounds it. Their website also describes them as, quote, we are a formidable threat to any who would help progress in the name of spirituality. We are explorers on the untrodden paths of science, human motivation, and all mysteries

awaiting understanding that which is most truly, quote, occult. And if you read their website, it's like they literally have a frequently asked question section that's like, Hey, do you worship the devil? And they're like, no, and then it's like, it's like, it's all that it's a great. So I said, anybody go, go look at the church of Satan website. And wait, it'll enlighten you. It really will. And that's why this placey huge role in this whole thing that he was a follower of the Church of Satan because at that time people had no fucking clue what that was.

It was like so misconstrued. And I mean, I'd love to say we've moved forward as a society, but we haven't. Like people still look at that. It's like, oh, he's a Satanist. He's going to sacrifice children. And it's like, no. Six, six, six.

They're atheists. That's basically all they are. So after holding down this super good job for a while No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, for something more simple, like connecting them back to the earth. I want to grow something in dirt. And he also wanted to kind of escape the binds of judgment about his sexuality and allow him to be freer. So he was looking to get somewhere that he could be who he is. So interestingly, he wrote an article in 1981 for an online news outlet called Mother Earth News

about this experience. You can read it online today. In the article, he said he had a good job, but it seemed like things were turning in this job, and it wasn't what it once was. Quote, as time passed, the medical students grew more unruly and less interested in learning. The standards of the school steadily dropped,

and my department became a hotbed of office politics backbiting and resentment. And he said, quote, as soon as I got homey-chievning, I changed into my old and not-too-clean-ermended jeans and muddle about in the garden, finding there the only moments of satisfaction left in my urban life. I was even pleased when the city's wildlife, the rats, drank from my garden pool at night. I would not be pleased. So he decided that he was going to move out of his old mansion in Chicago, because he lived in a pretty big like mansion house, too, and build a dream home away from everything. He wanted to be super secluded and he didn't want any of the trappings of the urban lifestyle anymore. He said, quote, after some soul-searching conversations with Joey,

I decided that we really needed to find some place in Hilly country with the glamour of four seasons, but without super cold winters, with a good supply of pure water and wood for heating and cooking, and most important with a measure of isolation. After years of enduring the sensory overload of city life, I desperately wanted to be situated where I could neither see nor hear my neighbors.

All right, they should go to the Berkshares. They should. Because it's so chic, but it's like, it is so chill. They would have been so much better off there, but the Berkshares don't have great winters. No, they don't. It's super cold in the winter, so that that is one thing. It is very chic. So what he did was he found 40 acres of woodland

in northern Georgia. Now it was completely surrounded by national forest land and miles away from anybody else. Like this was literally like as I's going to get. He checked it out and he purchased it immediately. Wow. So in 1976, on his 50th birthday, he resigned officially from Loyola University. He auctioned off pretty much everything he owned, all his valuables, everything. And he was like, I'm going to build my dream home

in the wilderness. Odom is going to come live with me. And my two dogs are going to come live with me and my two dogs are going to come live with me. They called it their quote kingdom. Oh my God. And when he left Loyola, he took two human skulls from his office, like real human skulls, and a bunch of LSD from the US. That is exactly what I would take from my office. From the experiment. That is amazing. And it was something like when they actually found this LSD, because it was like in vials, I don't know how LSD works.

Again, I've not done many drugs in my time. Yeah. And by any, many, I mean any. So I have no idea how LSD works, but they said when they measured it all out later, it was something like 12,000 doses, which I'm assuming LSD taken very tiny amounts. Yeah.

But that's still crazy. 12,000? Yeah. Holy fuck. I know. I mean, it was for the experiment, so I guess they needed that. Wow. That's all.

Wow. So to get to the location of the home that they were going to build, there was a long road that ended in this dirt road, and it was way at the end of that dirt road, you took a turn off, and then it was like way in the woods. Got it. Like a mountain. Very, very, very isolated. So when they set off, it was in the middle of a really bad, bad, bad, it was a mental, it

was a really bad blizzard. It was in the middle of a really bad blizzard. I didn't even call you out on that because I called you out so much last week. I called myself out. It felt really bad. It felt really bad. I had, it was a lot of tongue ties. Yeah.

But that was a long one. When it gets long, I get flubby. Oh, same. So they arrived at a really bad blizzard and they had to spend the night in their Jeep, actually, because they couldn't find where the plot of land was, because it was so far in there. Where were they going to do it? What were they going to do anyways? It was just land. Well, so they were like, okay, well, we'll just figure it out in the morning. So, when they set out, again in the morning, they actually saw that there was a rotting dead horse in the middle of the dirt drive up to their property.

You want to know what that is? A bad omen. So you would think. You would think that you would turn around. And you know what? And you know what? It might be. I feel as though it's going to be. It just might be.

Spoiler alert. This doesn't have a happy ending, guys. Just letting you know. You're listening to this. So they took this, but they didn't look at it as bad, oh, man, because one one thing about Scott our and Odom, it seemed like they have like a really good sense of humor. Like they just kind of like went through life being like,

yeah, like just trying to like just be chill. Right. And so they looked at it. So they were like, they were like, oh, perfect name for our road that leads up to our house. Dead horse road. I love that. So they literally named the road to drive up to their house. Dead horse road. Wait, that's wicked funny.

Yeah, like they seem like hot shit. They do. I love that. It's funny. So while they built this mansion by hand themselves, by the way, you know, as one does. They lived out of a camper on the property and they're jeep. They literally built it with brick, like this totally brick mansion, so say. By hand, just the two of them.

And they literally, he literally just said he read a book to figure out how to build a house. Yeah, that's very casual. Like what the, so this was technically it was, I mean, they called it a manor. He read a book to figure out how to build a house. That's very casual. What the... So this was... Technically, it was... I mean, they called it a manor. They called it like their castle, all that good stuff. That's cute.

It wasn't gigantic. It was impressive. Like, I'm going to post photos of the center in Stern because it's very interesting to look at. But when you actually look at it, you're like, how did they build this by hand? Like, it's just... It's bonkers, because it's all brick. It's like beautiful.

I like brick buildings. They said it took two short years and they were living in an elegant mini castle. That's how he described it. I want to live in an elegant mini castle at the foot. It was a two-story brick mansion. They had an outhouse that they built out of brick and they created a pump system for water and dug a well

That's how they got their water. They had no electricity. Why? They didn't want it. Oh, they didn't want to their whole thing He said I don't want to owe anybody anything. I don't want to pay electricity. I don't want to pay water I don't want to pay any of this shit. I want to be totally off the grid and just live in my life I want to be totally off the grid and just live in my life. I trust it. They had a wood stove. They created a vineyard where they made their own wine. Fuck yeah, they made their own wine out of like everything, like fruits and vegetables.

So some of it was shit and some of it was awesome. But everybody who had their wine said it was like actually like really decent wine. And they said it was like crazy strong. decent wine and they said it was like crazy strong so I'm there they had tons of it but LSD were constantly making it no that actually comes up and that we got that did not happen oh maybe the first to tell you that okay get accused of that oh fuck sorry I don't know in case I was just making a joke um they also got your face was like mad because you know at the end of this case you're gonna be mad. Oh, it's gonna make you really mad. So they grew their

own food, they lived off the land, they had fruit trees, they ground their own wheat and shit. They also became beekeepers where they harvested the honey and the wax to eat the honey and to use the wax for candles to light their home. I literally feel like this would be easier if you just told me what they didn't do. Yeah, like they did everything. They're awesome. Yeah.

Like it's pretty rare. All the hobbies. They had a pink painted gargoyle over a gazebo that was over a big rose garden. That oedom light was very proud of tending to. A pink gargoyle. Pink gargoyle. Over a rose garden.

Yes. Can I just live in the rose garden on there? Right. Sign me up. Inside the house, there was like a study, a library. It was very Gothic, very like, girl. Right? I was so into it.

Stained glass, a lot of art, tons of art, because they were really into that. A lot of antiques, there was like some occult type pieces, you know, because like that's the aesthetic you liked. Same. And when you go through this case, you realize you're like, my God, like I'm glad I'm in an area of the country at least that me liking this shit doesn't automatically get me labeled. Like something.

Keep going. I need to know what happens. I know it's crazy. And Charles had obviously, Charles Skutter had obviously brought the two human skulls with him that were decorated. Right, house two. As I look around this room, there's like 55 skulls. That's good. Not 55, but...

Um, beside the house was a three-story chicken house, it was called, which literally housed chickens on the first and second floors. It was like a chicken coop. And then the top floor was named the pink room. That served as kind of like a guest house in like a rec room where they that's where they like entertained guests who came over because they did have guests on top of the chicken coop in the pink room. Okay. Now the pink room had pink Shag carpet. Yes. It had mattresses everywhere with pink sheets all over them. Yes. And the police who came to this place later Claimed there was like a ton of sex stuff in there like that. This was like a like a pleasure room Whatever which if it was like cool live your life. Do you.

Yeah. Do you in the pink room and do everybody else in the pink room? And honestly, I hope it was because I hope they were able to leave Chicago, leave like judgment and just go in the woods and be. Yeah. Yeah. Just exist. I'm for it.

I'm for it. You're not pissing anybody off. And again, they had a ton of things. They did have guests over. They did, and they would entertain. They were very hospitable hosts. Like, they always would just give everyone their wine and just like, they were cool.

So when they, when they felt like they built everything, everything was set up. And they were like, we have to name this. Yeah. So they looked around and it was, I think it was just becoming, or it was like ending autumn and going into winter when they had finished. So all the trees were really bare

and like skeletal and everything. So they were like corpse wood. Cores. Let's call this corpse wood manner. They sound like I want to be their friend. Right? I'm like damn. These people sound cool as fuck. That's awesome.

So in the winter of 1982, a 17 year old guy who was also a part-time truck driver named Kenneth Avery Brock, who we are going to call Avery because that's what he like to go by. Okay. Met, Scutter, and Odom, and they befriended him. The way they met was because Avery liked to hunt. He was like a deer hunter. And hunters often asked permission from a skutter and odom to hunt on their property because it was so expansive. And they were always really chill about it. They were always like, yeah, totally. As long as you asked permission, they didn't care. So Avery was just one of these people who happened to wander

by and ask and they'd befriended him. Now, after meeting Avery, they invited him in at one point, like offered him at their wine and they hung out a few times. There was some kind of sexual encounter that did happen. But it's either that had just happened or that Avery tried to engage the minute and they kind of like rebuffed him. Okay. Nobody's really sure exactly what. God. Because Avery kind of flops between what happened, like depending on what. Xavier Dush.

Yeah, cool. In November of 1982, Avery had moved into one trailer with a 30-year-old unemployed dude named Samuel Tony at West. Okay. We're going to call him Tony. They were living together. They were just like, basically just garbage people.

Like, they just weren't doing anything. They just wanted the world to give them things. And they couldn't understand why I know that why they weren't like super successful. And one night, Avery told Tony a tale about, quote, queer devil worshippers that he had met. Okay. And he said they were living in isolation.

They lived in this big house. He's telling them all about it. So what it was was Avery looked at this whole place and looked at how Scutter and Odom lived and were like, they're hiding a fortune. I know it. Oh no. Like, they're definitely rich. Like, they chose to live this

way. And they're just like billionaires that have this like massive fortune hidden somewhere on this estate. I know it. Okay. Because he's an idiot. And he just assumed maybe they just like their things and they wanted to live there. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill or are they made to kill? I'm Candace DeLong and on my podcast Killer Psychie Daily, which you can find exclusively on Amazon Music. I share a quick 10-minute rundown every weekday on the motivations and behaviors of the criminal masterminds you read about in the news. I have decades of experience as a psychiatric nurse, FBI agent, and a criminal profiler. On Killer Psychie Daily, I'll give you my expert perspective on cases

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You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, ee-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e Well, this is why I think, like, this is why to me, it seems like maybe Avery had tried to engage them in something, and they might have her buffed, because he's real mad at them, suddenly. Yeah, which is interesting. Tony was straight, and he was in the deep south in the early 80s. So paint your own picture. I'm not saying that everybody in the South in the early 80s, like felt the same. My Tony happened to be not super open minded. Got it.

But again, not saying everybody was like that. But Tony was like that. Yeah, and in that time, it seemed to be a little more prevalent. Yeah. So Avery did mention, I guess, by all accounts, to Tony about this either sexual encounter he had, or he said that they tried to or something,

like he kind of twisted it. Yeah, he made different stories about it. And Tony was kind of giving him shit about it, because he was like, dude, are you gay? Like, what is going on here? Like, you need to tell me. So Avery got pissed and decided to say, you know, like, I'm not gay, like, blah, blah, blah.

He's like, they're gay. They're the queers. They came onto me, like, we need to take them out. Okay. I wanted. They were like, nice and invited you to their house. And like, if you want, and they were like chill. And it was their house and like Exactly. And they were like chill. And it was basically because he was now getting bullied by his new roommate.

But basically, he grew up. And now he's trying to save face. So he started being like, they took advantage of me. They took advantage of me. I'm only 17 years old. They took advantage of me. When nobody really knows what happened at all, if anything even happened. And his main thing was, I'm pissed at them now

because I'm having to confront this whole thing about myself I'm having to, you know what I mean? Yeah. Clearly having some issues here. Right. But then on top of that, he was like, they're rich, I want their money. Okay.

Or you could get a job. Yeah, I mean, that's another really good option. Yeah, that's the option that I suggest, but. But Avery was like, job. Yeah, I mean, that's another really good option. Yeah, that's the option that I suggest, but. But Avery was like, no. Yeah, I have to. So he came up with a plan with Tony. And actually, Avery initially said, and this is really rough, trigger warning.

He didn't actually do it, but this is what he wanted to do. Okay. He said he wanted to take a heated welding iron and rape scutter with it. Wow. And even Tony was like, yeah, we should just rob them though. Like he was like maybe, maybe we can just take their money sadistic in messed up. Wolf. Now in November of 1982, Avery went to Scutter and Odom's homes a few times, like to hang out with them.

And he said that. Yes, because it was an attempt to get the layout of the house down. Oh, fuck. But Scutter and Odom only allowed him to hang out in the pink room. They didn't let him in the actual state. Which I guess they did a lot with people. Like they didn't allow a whole lot of people to come in the main house.

It was like they're like sanctuary. So I think they mainly entertained in the pink room. And that was where they kept him. So it didn't really work out for him that well to find the layout of the house. Right. We're trying. Now on the night of December 12, 1982, that's when their plan got set into motion. Oh no. They don't like this. No, it's not awesome. They picked up two teenagers. Okay. 17 year old Joey Wells, who was Tony's's nephew and happened to be on a first date with a girl named Teresa Hudgeons that night.

He was on a first date. He was hanging out with other people. Well, he was on a first date with Teresa Hudgeons and Tony and Avery met up with them somewhere and we're like, do you guys want to go joy riding with us? What a date. And they were like cool. So Tony and Avery said Joey Wells knew the plan, but he claims, and he's claimed for, he had no idea. Okay.

I don't think he had any idea. And that's Tony's nephew, the 17 year olds. And he actually refused, like he refused to ever speak about it again after the trial. Like he was like, no, I hadn't. And I really don't think he had any idea. And then what about Teresa? Definitely had no idea.

And then I don't know where this is going, but that's your first fucking date. Oh, this is a real bad first fucking date. Oh, no. Like, I'm gonna make you all feel better about any shitty first date you've ever been on, because I can pretty much guarantee you they're not worse than this. Oh no.

So, Avery made a stop at his mother's trailer and he picked up his 22 caliber ramming to an automatic rifle and he told his mother that he wanted to go rabbit hunting that night and that's why he needed it. To people rabbit hunting night, apparently. Okay. So they they had Theresa and Joey with them and they said to them, Hey, do you guys want to like stop by that corpse wood manor place and like hang out with those dudes? Because they have good wine and blah blah blah. And Joey Wells was like, hell yeah, I want free alcohol.

Because I'm 17. Teresa was like, I heard their devil worshipers. I don't know because that was the rumor around town. Like these weirdos, everybody. And of course, it's, you know, it's in the deep south in the early 80s. So people were looking at it as these are devil worshipers in the woods.

And they're also gay. Yeah. It's not good for, you know, the triple whammy. So all these horrible rumors were being like certain terms, and about them simply because they were gay and followed the Church of Satan. The whole way, so they all decided they were going to go to corpse with manner. The whole way there, the four of them were huffing something called tuteloo, huffing tuteloo,

which is a wholesome combination of paint thinner, alcohol, and glue. What the fuck? Why would you willingly choose to do like I can't I just want to have a ride around. I just want to have to do it around. You all want to have some to do it? No, I don't know. What? Yeah, no. So you do not want to have some to do it. Can you imagine if you were on a date and the guy was like you want to have some to do it? I'd be like I I have my Uber is here. Bye. I am so busy that day. I actually have a appointment.

I have to get to yesterday. Thank you, sir. Good night. Thanks for dinner. So yeah, then do it all, you know, just do in the Tudeloo. I just love the name of it. Tudeloo. Well, I feel like it's telling.

Goodbye. I always like Tudeloo. Tudeloo. Tudeloo brain cells like it's telling. Yeah, I always like to do to lose. To do to lose. To do to lose brain cells. That's exactly it. Fucking glue. Alcohol and paint fumes. Yeah, it's no good.

So when they got to Corpse Wood Manor, Teresa, who later talked to police and gave them every bit of information they needed, she told police that Charles greeted them happily. Oh, Charles is Dr. Scutter. And he just said, can I buy a cigarette from you guys? And then he was like, hey, you guys can go up to the chicken coop guesthouse situation.

And he was like, I'm just gonna go get something. I'll be back. So they climbed the 40-foot ladder to the pink room. Was that how you always got up there? Yeah, that's like a 40-foot ladder to the pink room. Was that how you always got up there? Yeah, that's like a 40-foot ladder. Yeah. And a skutter told them he was going to go get some of his wine and bring it up and he was like,

we can all hang back and it'll be nice night. Imagine climbing back down a 40-foot ladder drunk. Yeah, that's no good. Well, so he came back with the wine. Everything was chill. There were paths in it around. It was like a nice little gathering. Everybody was just hanging out.

Cool. And shortly into this whole thing, Avery just gets up and is like, oh, I just have to run out to my car real quick. Okay. So they're like, okay. And I think he was like, I'm gonna get some more tootaloo.

And so he came back and he was holding the rifle. And he was like super casual, but it just like walked up there and just like sat down with his rifle. Oh, that's scary. So he was nightmares or not. So he just like sits down on the mattress with the rifle and nope, scutter.

Dr. Scutter, I think was like, like you know, like you get that out of my pink room. Is this supposed to be weird? Like, I don't know what the... Like, he didn't add any... What's the point of the call here? He wasn't like freaking out or anything, but he was just like, this is kind of odd.

But again, they were in the deep south and there was a lot of hunters in the area who they were very familiar with. So maybe he was like, are you planning on hunting later? Like, I don't know. Weird. But what he did was he looked at him and he like jokingly was like bang bang. I'm just mad. Shut the fuck up. That's amazing. I love that so much. Like it makes you love him so much more.

Like he just like this dude walks in with a rifle and he's just like bang bang. Like that's adorable. Like that's his way of just diffusing a situation. Yeah, I think it's hilarious. That's amazing. So apparently like Avery just kind of like was like, yeah, that's funny. And then they just went back to drinking wine. Like it did, it no one was like, why do you have that? And then it did diffuse the situation for a second. So he was like, okay, well, Dr. Skutter stood up and he was like going to do something in the corner. I think he was like fixing, you know, a light or something like that. Suddenly Avery just jumped up, grabbed him by his hair, and grought a knife out of his boot, and pressed it against his throat.

Jesus Christ is escalated. Out of nowhere. This was out of nowhere. Teresa and Joey tried to run away, but they were stopped. And they were basically told by Tony, because they ran out the pink room and were going down the ladder and like to their car. They were like, nope, I'm not here for this,

because again, they had no idea that this was what this was. Oh, this is fucked. So Tony grabbed them and was like, if you guys don't come back in here, we're gonna kill you. We're gonna kill you. So Avery basically had him, the knife to his throat demanded money.

He was like, where's all your money? And then he tossed to them onto the mattress and he cut strips from the pink sheet and he gagged Scutter with it and then cut his coat and like of weaved the pieces through his coat and tied him up that way. That way? Yeah.

The whole time, he's literally screaming at him, like, where's the money? Tell me what it means. I'll be like, look around. The money is in these beautiful items that we have. Exactly. Well, in scutter kept saying he didn't have any money there. He was like, we really don't,

because although he did have like a small inheritance from his father passing away, it was in the bank. Right. Like he didn't have it just like in a pile, in like a bag with a fucking dollar sign on it. I don't even know what this would be. He's like, you're an idiot. And so he also demanded to know who else is in the house here,

like who else is here? So he said, you know, Odom is in the house and the two else is in the house here, like who else is here. So he said, you know, Odom is in the house and the two dogs are in the house, in the actual house. So Avery said, I'm going to go take care of that. Which to me, it's like, Oh, okay, so you weren't coming just to rob him. Like this was your plan all along. Yeah. And he said that now what Avery claims is that he went to the house, he found Joe, uh, Odam in the kitchen, cleaning up after supper. And he said, Odam reached for a gun. There's what the evidence disputes this completely because no gun was found anywhere near Odam. Right. And they only had one pistol and it was up on the top floor. Okay. Like in a box somewhere. Like it was nowhere near. Right. Now Odom, what actually happened was

Odom was interrupted in the kitchen where he had been cleaning up after supper by Avery. Avery screamed at him to get out of the house and he said he, that Odom just looked up at him really quick, like what the fuck? And he said as soon as he looked at him, he fired four rounds into Odom. What? What? Several more rounds killed the two bull mass dose. No, no.

The bull mass dose were curled around the wood stove on like sleeping in their beds, because they would sleep around the wood stove because it was nice and warm. And they were still in their bed. They hadn't even woken up. That's my least favorite part. Now, later, every would say that he shot,

but he said he shot wildly. He didn't mean to shoot at him. And he said that the bullets were just ricocheting everywhere. Can every murderer stop that excuse? Like I just shot blankly into the world and I was like, and hit someone, what? Yeah, like that's crazy. Well, this one, he's like, I shot this and it just ricocheted everywhere and it happened to shoot, owed him four times in the head and the arm and then also hit both dogs and kill them where they slept. It was the weirdest thing. Seems legit. Like, like, every go fuck yourself. No. Idiot. So back in the pink room, they heard the gunshots.

Oh, no. And their like, Scutters probably freaking out. Yeah. So Avery came back into the pink room and announced, quote, well, I killed that man in those dogs. Oh, no, poor Scutter. And at this point, no one knows if Odom was actually dead

at this point, which it doesn't look like he was. Oh, unfortunately. So he just like he was. Oh, unfortunately. So he just blood out probably. I think so. And so he decided now that him and Tony decided that now they were going to lead Skutter back into that manner, because they were going to get that him to find the money and give it to them. But there was money.

There was no money. So this was just literally a fruitless effort. It was he was telling the truth. So his hands were tied. Like he was all bound up. So they had to essentially carry him down the slatter. Oh my God. They tied up.

Theresa and Joey were forced to come as well. Now, Scutter was brought into the manner. And as soon as he got into the manner, Odom is in front of him on the floor. Oh God. Like that scene is right when he walks in. And Odom was shot in the kitchen, like we said,

but they found him halfway between the kitchen and the hallway like he had tried to. Like maybe like. Get somewhere and he like tried to escape out of the house, but he died where he was. Oh, that's awful. And Teresa told police that now, the scutter is like gagged at this point

and is being like held up by them. And he said when he looked down at, you know, Odom and his dogs, that he just like moaned, like it was just this like awful, he was so sad. He was so grieving moan that came from him and she said it was like awful. And they just, and they didn't give shit

so they just kept demanding money. Where is it? Where is it? Like look what we just did. Like tell me where your money is. So Tony threw Scutter down on a couch, again screaming out of my way as the money and also screamed at him,

where's your soldering iron? And he said we don't have a fucking soldering iron. I don't have electricity out here. Right. So they didn't obviously nothing happened with that Thank goodness. They did not have electricity because if they did have a soldering iron this could have been even more gruesome But the fact that they were still on that, yeah, that's fucked up. Like you just killed this man's like partner and dogs, and now you're still thinking you're gonna like prolong his awful torture.

So apparently they're yelling out him where's the money, where's the money, he's on the couch, he's like, I don't have any, like it's trying to tell them, like, please, I swear, I don't have any. So then all of a sudden they said, um, Teresa, this is, this is from Teresa's, like, first hand account of this whole thing. And she's, she's very truthful about it.

Okay. She said, Scott, her stud, he, like, got himself to his feet. And he started shuffling over to Odom on the floor. And Tony was screaming at him to stop saying, like, sit back down. I'm going to kill you if you don't sit. But he just ignored him completely. It was a clear thought for himself. And they said that he, and she said that he stopped

right over Odom and just like stared down at him. And he said, quote, I asked for this. What? What? And those were his final words, I asked for this. What? In those were his final words, where I asked for this. And why don't you take that? Tony shot Scutter in the face in the head at close range two to three times. He fell to his knees and he tried to say something and stand again, Teresa said. But he fired one more shot,

which made him fall into the bookcase. And he tried to say something else and he shot him three more times. Oh my God. All together, I know that sounded like a lot of shots. I think it was five times that he got shot in the head. And he said, I asked for this. His last words were I asked for this.

Well, that's what I want to get into that later, like what we think that means because nobody, like, obviously, we don't know what that means. He only knows what that means. Right. But I do want to get into that later, like, talk about what we think that means. So Tony, so now, Scutter was gone. Tony told Avery and Joey to go upstairs and steal whatever they could. And Teresa's just, Portrice is literally sitting there. She's like, am I gonna get home tonight? What they ended up leaving this manor with is a bag of dimes and nickels. They fucking took dimes and nickels.

One silver candelabra and a gold bladed dagger. That's it. Out of all the fucking shit. So they murdered these two men and their dogs, for Dimes and Nichols, for literally like a handful of change. Yeah. They really were on Tudaloo, huh? Yeah. Like fucking Tudaloo. It's awful. That's so, that's so sad. That's what kills me about this is like how senseless this is. I thought it drives me bananas. How awful this is. It's like this was his like dream, you know, life. And they poured everything they had into it.

And this is how it ends. And it's like, oh, I know that's what I'm thinking. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends. This is how it ends.

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Georgia. She's as Christ. And when he got there, he saw bullet holes in the kitchen door and he called police. Teresa came forward as well and told police she knew who killed them. So she came on her own volition, like came with us and was like, I know what happened, I will tell you everything. Tony and Avery made it to Bonneva Mississippi and they pulled over at a rest stop to switch out cars because they were like, we need to get another car. Yeah, because we're in, they were in the Scutters car. Tony all of a sudden handcuffed a navy lieutenant named Kirby Phelps to steal his car.

Big mistake. Well, they took him by gunpoint into the woods and Tony was saying we're just going to tie him to a tree and steal his car. Did they shoot him? West shot him in head twice and killed him. Oh my god. Literally just an innocent man at a rest stop and in the wrong place at the wrong time. The world is self-fucked. And it's like they're just saying we're gonna time do a tree and steal a scar, which is shitty enough. Why did you kill him? Like you didn't have to kill that man.

Like you were gonna get his car regardless. It's all, yeah. So this is how like, cold blooded these monsters are. Every ended up turning himself in on December 20th, 1982. And in five days later, on Christmas Day, Tony turned himself in and chatted to get Tennessee. Like cool. Don't know why it suddenly, you know, I'm assuming it's like the heat was bearing down and they knew they were getting caught anyways, so they were figuring we'll just spin this story to try to,

because I'm sure they knew. There's always anyways, so they were figuring, we'll just spin this story to try to, because I'm sure they knew. There's always, there's already all these rumors about these guys. People already have an opinion. One way. We can turn this in our favorite. Yeah.

What about the jack holes? In fact, during his confession, Tony told Chattanooga County Sheriff Tony Gilliland. He said, quote, all I can say is they were devils and I killed them. That's how I feel about it. Oh, so he was just like, I don't go fuck. Now, when police started their investigation at Corpse Wood Manor after they were called to the scene, they found all the artwork that Scutter created and collected. And some of it was darker because he liked the occult. He liked, you know. Well, that doesn't mean anything. Just because you like dark shit doesn't make you like this bad person. And there was also a lot of antiques like we said in like Gothic aesthetic and skulls and books on paganism and the occult along with every other fucking subject known to man,

but they only focused on those ones. Of course. There was also a stained glass window that Charles had made himself of the trademark symbol of the Church of Satan, which is, I think, like an inverted pentagram with a goat's head on it. Someone will tell you if you're wrong. And they will. Somebody will yell at me. So I'm sorry.

But I think that's what it was. That's what I read at least. There was also one other piece of artwork that I'm not going to tell you what it is yet. I thought you were just like, I'm not going to tell you what it was. I'm never going to tell you what this was. That's it. So thank you for listening. No, I'm going to leave it till the end because it's just going to blow your mind a little bit. This piece of artwork, and I just feel like it's important. So there was one piece of artwork

that was very, very interesting. Now the day after they finished investigating the scene, the chicken coop and pink room burned down, mysteriously. And the manor was burned down soon after as well. Also, mysterious. Which is really sad. That's horrible after they worked so hard and poured their heart and fucking soul into it. Put this together brick by brick with their own hands

and it's just like oh, oh, oh, by me. So once the trial started, Scudder and Odom were immediately labeled quote, homosexual devil worshipers. Great. And remember, they were gay, eccentric, and in the deep south in the 80s. Not a good combo for sympathy. And remember, they were gay, eccentric, and in the deep self in the 80s, not a good combo for sympathy. And they were also isolated, reclusive, all that stuff. So people went wild with the reverse. Also, here's my deal though. Like, they were reclusive and not bothering anybody.

Exactly. Like, did any fucking kids go make things in their fucking basement? Well, and that's, and so, it skudders affiliation with the Church of Satan was like the kicker. But that was the kicker. He didn't do anything to anybody. Well, the problem with this was this was smack dab in the middle of the satanic panic hysteria

in the US. That was during the 80s and early 90s. it was bonkers. I mean, bonk. This, him having an affiliation with the Church of Satan was the worst thing I could have been. Do you think that's why he's kind of anxious for this? I wonder if that was one of the reasons. This was when people like Harald O'Revara were telling people that Satanists were everywhere and they were violent and get a sacrifice of children

and like literally doing documentaries about this and like it was all over the news and they're saying that like you know people with dark clothing on are gonna come steal your pets and hear them and I know both of us there we are like well a hairdresser is gonna come and steal your kid a hairdresser is going to come and steal your kids. I hairdresser is going to come steal your animals and your kids. Sacrifices. The West Memphis 3 case, which we will cover. Oh, yeah. You better believe in multiple parts.

Oh, that's going to be a good ass case. That was a piece of collateral damage from this really disturbing time that resembled the witch trials a little too much with the hysteria that was caused. Homosexuality was seen by fundamentalists as the work of the devil at this time. So, Scutter and Joey just really didn't stand a chance of being seen as anything other than evil demons who deserved what they got. That makes me really sad. The media portrayed them as such, of course. They referred back to the occult books, you know, all the occult stuff found in the house,

any of the stuff like pentagrams and stuff that they found. And they essentially just kind of like made it an afterthought that these two innocent men were brutally murdered in their home for a bag of change. Right. The public went nuts. This whole case was labeled the devil worshippers case. So it was like never about It was never about the victims like painting them as victims. It was like the devil worshippers

Right, and that's not what they are. They don't worship the devil There was also a documentary about the case that was created and hosted by Unbelievably conservative religious bias and basically painted them as like asking for it. I did, like, these people got murdered. I know you just said that, but I'm just like still at that point. Yeah. No, it will never make sense.

And the person who hosted this documentary actually tried to, she had Teresa interview with her. And Teresa was obviously fucking there. And she wanted her to kind of support her agenda of the victims actually being devil worshipers who drugged these people. Is that where the wine elastic comes in? And but Teresa adamantly claimed there were no drugs

that night aside from the tuteloo that they had huffed themselves and brought themselves beforehand. She said, there was no drugs. We were drinking wine. And she said, I drink the same wine that they did. None of us were drugged. Because that was the big thing now.

They were like, oh, they put LSD in the wine. And like these guys went nuts. That's what happened. Oh, my God. And she was like, nope. And she said, also acid doesn't make you a fucking murderer. No. And she said she never even saw drug paraphernalia in the home

or around it. She said there was nothing there that would suggest. Right. It was drugs. But they were like, mm-hmm. They were like devils. Yeah, they were like, pretty sure you're dumb. So she then revealed in this interview

that once Avery had shot Dr. Scutter, she said he looked at Tony and said something along the lines of like, now tell me I don't have the guts to kill nobody. So this was like fucking truth or dare? So she was like, so he was fully aware of what he was doing. Like this wasn't, he was crazy on drugs. He was very aware of what he was doing and it had been planned, obviously. So feeding into the

public's craziness about this, defense attorneys said the two murderers Tony and Avery were given wine laced with LSD, buy Scutter, and even though they had literally zero evidence of this, there was a non-found in their systems and none of the bottles tested had any LSD in them. This is so annoying. And like I had said earlier that they found LSD in like in the property because he did have it in the property. They found three vials of LSD 25, which is the government LSD.

Yes. They were found in a cigar box on Scutters desk. Like they were in a cigar box. They weren't like like, like chilling in the pinkSD. Yes. They were found in a cigar box on Scutters desk. Like they were in a cigar box. They weren't like, like, like, like, like, like, chillin' in the pink room. Yeah. And like I said, they were trying to prove that they, that's it. He drugged the wine. But it came out via the evidence. They couldn't prove that at all, because, in fact, the evidence pointed that there was

literally no LSD on anything. Right. Only in those vials. Wasn't on anything else, wasn't anywhere. While in jail, Avery attempted suicide at one point. That's interesting. And he was offered the chance for life in prison instead of the death penalty. He also confessed about eight times. OK.

And never ever mentioned that he was drugged until all of a sudden it came out that they found those LSD files and all of a sudden it came soon for casual. Suddenly I remember that. I remember that I was drugged. So suddenly I had a brand new story about being super trippy during the murders. Oh yeah. And he thought the dogs were these like giant monsters. Yeah. Yeah. And he said everything was glowing. All of a sudden, totally. And he was an idiot, because when he was asked during this whole thing about whether he had read up on LSD and it's effects at all, he said, well, not till I got in here. You're fucking kidding me. Really? So he researched it to pretend he had been drunk. Like researched the effects of it and then just he just blurted it back. At trial, he was

found guilty on all counts and sentenced to three consecutive lifetime. Well, at least the jury wasn't a bunch of fucking. Thank goodness. He's still currently serving his sentence in Georgia state prison. Good. Prison prison prison. Prison. He's in prison. They put him in prison. That's worse than prison. That's different from prison. It's for special folks. It's for the real dumb ones.

You know what? You don't even deserve prison. No, we're giving you an extra H in that because you're that dumb. No. Because that's how you pronounce that. That's how you pronounce that. That's how you can. It's a good dumb. So Tony West was convicted of double homicide and sentenced to die in the electric chair.

Yeah. But his death sentence was repealed. The death sentence was repealed. And he's currently serving out of life sentence at Augusta State Medical Prison. Okay. Prison. Is he in prison or prison? I think he's in prison too. I think they both deserve to be in prison. Okay. Is he in prison or prison? I think he's in prison too. I think they both

deserve to be in prison in plenty of other places I could be in. There was a small private funeral held at Corpsewood for Odin, Odin and Scutter. This case really hurt my heart. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wow. I know. I know. That we are talking about Phoebe's Viking funeral. Oh, yeah. It's just too beautiful for me. It's just gives you like, it's exactly all the things I want to do when I die. Right.

It's just like, I just want to be in a rose garden and also get a Viking send-off. Because he loved that rose garden. Can you write that down? Yeah. Thank you. I will. It's now being recorded for posterity.

Scudder's body was sent home to Milwaukee because that's what his sister requested. Even now today, people still go and visit the spot of this because there's still like some ruins up of the banner. That's pretty cool. Which I'd love to see this place. I would love to go and see it. And of course, people think they see ghosts there

and hear voices there. People say that they hear gunshots, sparking dogs and shattering glass. And they also say that they hear Scutters, Golden Heart playing. I hope they hear that. I hope they do hear that. If I went there, I would want to hear that. And I hope he's sitting just playing his heart. Yeah, peacefully.

In the pink room. Earlier, I mentioned that there was one piece of artwork that was very intriguing. That they took or that they... No, it was still there. It was just a very it's very interesting. They found it when they were investigating. So months before this whole thing happened, Odin woke up in the middle of the night and told Scutter that he had a terrible nightmare about him. And Charles, so he described the whole thing to him. And Charles was, or Scudder was so disturbed by it that he decided I have to paint this

because it's a spare of Peter. I need to get this out. It was a self-portrait that is literally a premonition of his death. No. In the painting, Scudder is gagged and has five bullet wounds in his death. No. In the painting, Scutter is gagged and has five bullet wounds in his head. No. He died gagged with five bullet wounds in his head.

Both Avery and Tony said they never saw that painting because, of course, people were like, well, maybe they were trying to recreate it. No, they're not that bad. They both said they were like, no, we never saw that. Also, they're just not fucking smarter. Like, why? They're not artists. They wouldn't even know that that was him, they're not that bad. They both said they were like, no, we never saw that. Also, they're just not fucking smart. Like, and why? They're not artists. They wouldn't even know that that was him,

probably, in the painting. I'm gonna post a photo of the painting. It's, I just got goose bumps. Like, how did, and this was months before this happened? Also, that's love, right? Like, they were so in love. Right. I feel like they were.

Like, I feel like it was like, they had like real partnerships. I don't know why, I just wanna watch Heather's now. That's got a lot. I know. Well now, like what, and now I just wanna know what he meant by I asked for this because it's so many things.

Did he mean like because I painted it to life? It could be, I asked for this because I put us in this isolated area. It could be I asked for this because I put us in this isolated area. It could be I asked for this because We are two gay men living in the deep South in the 80s and I I asked for this like I Why did I do this or like I invited this kid into our house? I I Be exactly like I I was hospitable to strangers. I asked for this. Like I let people into my home. I think he meant that he was different

than what was acceptable in that area. That's what I think. And he asked for it. I think it was a combination of like, I'm different. I'm what people are seeing as like eccentric and not okay and like dangerous. And I also allowed these people to come into my home. My heart. I used to collapse collapsed. Which is she really did.

I just needed a minute. Isn't that like such a tale? Such a tale. No that one that one really hurt. Yeah that one is like a really tough one. That's just really awful and so it. And they fucking just took dimes and nickels. Yes. Senseless crime. Ever. And it's like these men invited you into their home and like we're giving you their wine that they made

and it's just like, I'm really sad about this. I'm so glad they're in prison forever. Me too. Like, thank goodness. Um, actually, excuse me, they're I'm so glad they're in prison forever. Me too, like, think. Um, actually, excuse me, they're in prison. That they're in prison forever. Thank you. Because that's what they deserve. You deserve prison.

And then I feel bad. I'm like, I wonder what Theresa Huggins is feeling. Well, I'd like to tell you that she never went on another date again. Well, I, like, I never was. I'm like, no, that's what I said to you. Ever. No, I just wanted. Ever trust another. I just wanted. But then again, it's like, I never was. What? No, that's why I said to you. How would you ever? No, I just wanted. I have her trust to another human.

I just wanted. But then again, it's like, and I say poor Joey, I believe he didn't know. It was going to be. No, I don't think either of them. And it's like, the app guys, like, Jesus. Because I think Teresa would have been able to tell if he, and then she would have said so.

Yeah, I think so too. Because she was very upfront about everything that happened. And she has, like, I heard some interviews with her and If I can post some I will I don't know if I can She has like the cutest Just a little like Southern like She sounds very much like the people from like the West Memphis three documentary. Oh She has that very like,

she's just like down home. Just that, just that like, that whole, the whole sum, the whole sum. And she just seems like she just, she just didn't know, man, and I just feel so bad. Oh honey. The whole thing. That's why you don't go on a first day

and then going out with like two other dudes and huff paint with them. Yeah, if Tudaloo is involved, Tudoloo. Get out of there. I love that. It's like dare but different. It is. Just say two-doluted drugs.

Just say two-doluted drugs. Tudoloo. Just say two-doluted drugs. Except LSD. Yeah, I don't know. Unless it's in white, which it wasn't, okay? Which it wasn't. Wow.

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