Morbid - Episode 76: The Bridgewater State Triangle Part 2/The Murder of Mary Lou Arruda/The Cult Murders of Freetown State Forest

Episode Date: June 25, 2019

In the final installment of our Bridgewater Triangle series, we take a look at a creepy rock quarry where ghosts and jump to their undeaths, some spooky UFO sightings and finish it off with the horrific murder of Mary Lou Arruda and the cult murders perpetrated by Carl Drew and Robin Murphy. This place is wild, guys. Strap in. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash, and I'm Alina. And this is morbid. A whole ass morbid bitch. That's right, we're here. And we're finishing up the bridge water triangle. Oh my god, I'm glad you said bridge water because you kept saying Bermuda. I know. Yes, man. I was like, are we glad you said bridge water because you kept saying Bermuda. I know.

I was like, are we doing a different case? I feel like what's happening? Will we switch gears here? What are we doing? We did not. We are still on the bridge water triangle. It's a lot of fucked up shit to talk about. It is.

And today is not going to be as lighthearted and fancy free as last time was. There won't be a lot of talk about, you know, offended big feet, big foot feet, big foot feet, because unfortunately, also if you hear snoring in the background, that is my dog. Puggles be sleeping. If unfortunately, this episode we're going to be going into the darker shit. The real murdery shit. We're still going to touch upon a couple of the lighthearted things that we can boop boop about, but then we're really going to venture into the bowels of health. That is my homeland. That's where we're venturing actually, where I'm from.

And before we jump in, we just had a couple of things we wanted to mention, like the crazy revelation by our beautiful Australian listener, Kate O'Donohue. Hey, Kate, who she was the first one that we got the message from this about and she wanted to let us know because it's crazy. Are you ready? Apparently, a model named Bailey Schneider in Melbourne.

I don't know, wait, do you guys say Melbourne down there? a model named Bailey Schneider in Melbourne. I don't know, wait, do you guys say Melbourne down there? Cause we have Melbourne or Melbourne. Melbourne or Melbourne. I just lost all thoughts. You just stared at me. It was like mountain, mountain, I was like, I don't remember anything. I just malfunctioned real quick. I don't know where I am. smell fucktred. Real quick.

I don't know where I am. I think in Melbourne. I think in Melbourne. Yeah, either one. Well, fuck it. In Australia, unfortunately, this part is not funny at all. This model, Bailey Schneider, who was only 25 years old. I think 25.

She was found unconscious in her parents' house with a gold cord tied tightly around her neck. I believe it was seen as like a self-harm kind of incident. But the real kicker with this whole thing is that she has a boyfriend, or had a boyfriend at the time of her death. You wanna know who that boyfriend is? Can I tell them?

Yep, you can. Anthony Hample, A.K.A. Ant from Phoebe, Phoebe Hansjuk. Phoebe guys, guys, two of his girlfriends mysteriously died. I'm just giving you facts. And they're both being touted as, you know, they had a little suicide. They had they were like, you know, boozing before and they had trouble girls. Yeah, just very trouble

did all this. This is shady as fuck. Here I am telling you that that's not a fucking coincidence bro. That if that's a coincidence, then this is the most unlucky man. No. Two of your girlfriend's died previously. Like, it's definitely in a couple of other listeners were like quick to tell us about it. So we wanna thank you guys for bringing it to our attention

because it blew our minds today. A little fucked up. So we just wanted to point that out. And maybe we'll even cover that case because I don't know, pretty interesting. Definitely spooky. So we might take on that case at a later date. So stay tuned.

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the profile of chief massa soya, who was King Philip's Fajah. So that was pretty cool, and we were like, yeah, it's cool spot, definitely. The day after we released our episode. It fucking crumbled to the ground mysteriously. It crumbled. Two. The fucking ground. Mysteriously.

It crumbled to the evil fucking ground in the refrigerator trying. And we're not saying that we did it. We didn't do it. But how fucking weird is that? But what was that? That the day before we recorded the episode. Yeah.

One of my best friend's texts had me and she was like, uh, dude, and sent me the link. And it's like, we didn't make that happen. I promise. Nope, nope, nope. But what a bummer. Huge bummer. That's actually really shitty.

Yeah. So that was just a real, that was a little bummer. Hate that question. So get in the mood for the rest of the episode. And I just wanted to say that we are not going to be covering Lizzy Borden today, even though I know that that is one that everybody's like, oh, hello.

But guys, Paul River, Lizzy Borden. We have plans, okay. We got big plans for Lizzy. We're not telling you what our fucking plans are, but I've got some serious fucking plans. They're real plans, I'm scared. These plans are coming to fruition in the fall. So stay tuned.

October, we will be covering Lizzie board in, and we're gonna be covering it in a big way, in a HWING WING WING WING WING WING WING WING WING WING So no worry, we will get to Lizzie, I promise, I'm not quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, quink, Can I tell them? Tell them. The Boston Bean Town Strangla. Yeah, yeah. So next week we will be transitioning right into our very own awful cereal killer. Woo! Woo! So let's start. Now last week we did mention the legend of puckwagies. We did. And we just kind of briefly went over them, so I just want to give... We're not going to spend a whole lot of time on puck wadgies because everybody remembers. Yeah. And I don't want one wandering into my house. So I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on it. You know, want you. You know, want

you. No. So these creatures are basically little trolls. They're like little gray, just hairy trolls. They're about two to three feet tall. They're supposed to have, they can glow on occasion apparently, which is pretty convenient and nice, I would think. Oh yeah, you know. They're, but dark. They're kind, they have like,

they're notorious for being very mischievous and causing a lot of mayhem. And not a lot of, it's like mischievous, like he, he, he look at those puck wadgies, they're silly. It's not cute. No, they don't they do some pretty shitty things. They will intentionally scare the shit out of you. I just think that's funny. I mean that's funny. That I get. But they'll also throw rocks or sand in people's faces.

That's just inconsiderate. That's bordering on shitty. Yeah. No, it's I don't even think it's bordering. I think it's just pretty shitty. Well, then they'll also like push you trip you Kidnap you what yeah, I mean You know like they're two to three feet tall don't fucking get not me pretty chill

I just want to know like has someone come back from being kidnapped be like, I got kidnapped by a fucking Puckwadji. How is this fucking hells-ostage by a bunch of Puckwadjis? What do they want from us? I don't know. I don't really know, but they'll kidnapped you. Or they'll throw you from cliffs. Oh, so that's casual. It gets pretty intense, pretty fast. Yeah, the Puckwadji.

That's steadily climbed. There's really no gray area with Puckpuck-puck-wadgies. They're either just being silly or they're throwing rocks in your face and hurling you off a cliff. Either they're gonna trip you or fucking kill you. Yeah, and if they don't do that then they're gonna try to cut you with knives or spears. Do awesome.

So if you see one, you'll know, because it's a little glowing troll. And you should run. Just go the other way. If you see one, you'll know, because it's a little glowing troll. And you should run. Just go the other way. Really fast. Yeah, I don't recommend having a conversation with it, trying to get to know it, finding out what it's sign is.

I don't know if you should do any of that. Just go the other way. Yeah, just pretend you don't see them. Definitely. But unfortunately, they're also magical. So they can shape shift. What? So maybe if you see anything while you're walking in the bridge water triangle, just go the other way. Yeah, because it could be a park waji. Even if it's like a head chug, just go the other way. Wow. So that sucks. Maybe just jump a locking in the bridge water triangle. Yeah, that's park waji's.

Yeah, that's puckwagies. So the next thing I just want to talk about is referred to as the ledge. Oh, it's in the free town state forest, which is the spookiest place. Won't catch me there. Won't catch me there either. And it's pretty infamous. It's an 80-foot deep rock quarry. It's actually called a sonnet ledge, but it's just known as the ledge, kind of like the nip. The nip. Like we make things cool here. It's actually called a sonnet ledge, but it's just known as the ledge, kind of like the knit, the knit.

Like we make things cool here. We're like the niche, like the ledge. Like we don't wanna say that whole shit. That reminds me of never been kissed, where it's like the court. Exactly. It's exactly that. I think it is the court, right?

I could be honest with the court. Yeah, definitely is. Whatever. Uh, and a sonnet is Wampanoag for place of stones, which makes sense because it's a rock quarry. So that works. Also, somebody very nicely mentioned that they usually pronounce Wampanoag as Wampanoag, and I was pronouncing it Wampanoag, no egg, I think. Okay. Which I knew it was Wampanoag. I don't know why I chose to pronounce it like phonetically. So thank you for pointing that out, because you were right.

We were wrong. So thank you. But yeah, so it was once owned by the Fall River Granite company like a long time ago. Now it's just a big ol' rock-wory ledge. Love it. But it has become associated with a lot of shitty dark things and like weird stuff.

Ooh. It has a weird amount of abandoned cars that are left there. That's creepy. And police say that people who steal cars like to drive them off that ledge and just into the water. So the water probably has like a ton of just like rotting cars at the bottom of it. Which is weird.

Do they get out of the car first? I assume. But I think they just like started and let it like, you know, like, like, neutral. Put it in neutral and just let it go off the edge. Which could be kind of fun to do. Okay, I wanted to say that, but I didn't know if I was allowed. Because I was like, that sounds pretty fun.

I'm not going to do it. Well, maybe if like, my car was like shitty and I knew I couldn't trade it in. There you go. Just let it go into neutral. Yeah. But I wouldn't take a thumb and Louise off the façade ledge. Yeah, but I wouldn't be in the free 10th day for us. No, I wouldn't. I guess I'll have to miss out on that. Unfortunately, it's also been the location for at least 18 confirmed suicides. Oh, yeah. I don't have like the details of all these suicides or anything, but 18 is a lot. Yeah, and that's just confirmed. Which it makes sense. I mean, it's a very, it's a really high

ledge, you know, like it's a easy place to, unfortunately. So in one instance, there was, because there's also been a lot of accidental deaths falling over that because- Because it's probably like hard to get your footing and whatnot. Yeah, and people like to camp out around there and then I mean if you could easily lose your footing around. Right. In fact, shortly before Halloween 2007, a 32 year old man named Paolo S. Oliveira accidentally

fell to his death over the ledge while camping with his girlfriend and friends. Oh wow, that's really sad. Apparently he got up to, because they had a fire like 20 feet from the ledge and then he went over to poor gasoline over the edge, which I'm not really sure why you would do that. But he, I think he just lost his footing and fell, or maybe leaned over too much and he fell. Oh my god, that gives me like anxiety. anxiety. And he died of internal injuries, obviously. So that's a bummer. People who have gone to the ledge have reported, which this is really freaky. And I think we mentioned it in the last one to say,

this just like, I hate this. They feel this weird, they feel this real sense of dread and like foreboding feeling. They say like I'm like a sick feeling. And then they also say that they feel like compelled to jump over this side. Like they get this weird sense, like I need to jump off this. They don't most of the time.

But they'll say like I really felt like somebody was like mentally pushing me over the stage. Like oh that stresses me out, which is really creepy. In 2004, a man who was there with his friends and his girlfriend actually leapt to his death. Jesus. And his family said he had no history of depression, never expressed any suicide of thoughts.

Like even his girlfriend was like, he suddenly just jumped over to the God. I can't even imagine. Yeah. There are also, this is super spooky. There's a lot of reports of people seeing a woman dressed in white jump over the ledge like the ghost of a woman dressed in white Jump over the ledge and right before she hits the water. She just disappears. That's terrifying

And she'll just take like a flying leap off of it. I just got goosebumps. Yes So people say they like see like ghosts jumping off the ledge like that's terrifying. Yeah, I hate that. And people who live around us on it and the ledge in particular say that this is really creepy. They say that the woods scream. Oh, okay. Like they admit this strange screaming sound that can't really be explained. No, thank you. And so they're like the woods literally scream like they will. Can you do it? I like when you do the screams And I knew like what was that? Can you imagine just like driving by the woods and it's like?

And you're like, I'm gonna go faster now. Bye. I feel like forest are you okay? Did somebody push you? Do we need to talk? Do you want to talk with something? You want to have a cup of coffee? All right, there's a Starbucks on the street. Yeah, it's fine. We can get through this.

We can get through the store. Do you have coffee? Yeah, totally. You do have to. So the ledge was also the site of a really infamous UFO sighting in 1974 that's cool by then governor Ronald Reagan. Oh shit. So Reagan was like no, I saw this I saw he was out of the UFO and he why was he in the free time before he was flying in a Sessna over the ledge. Oh, he was with, the pilot was an Air Force Colonel Bill Panter,

and he had two security dudes with him. They said while they were flying over the ledge, all of a sudden they saw this weird strange light that was like tailing the plane. No thanks. And the light would accelerate, decelerate, like was acting really weird, and then it would stretch out.

And this all happened within the space of like a few minutes. Like it would start stretching out and then get smaller and then it'd accelerate, decelerate. And then they said it suddenly shot up at a 45 degree angle at like a super high rate of speed and then it disappeared. Oh, so it just like shot up at a 45 degree angle and was like, can you imagine witnessing that?

Right? And it's Ronald Reagan that said this. And Reagan, like it said, like told this to a newspaper, it was like no, I saw this. It was like, it's legit. And everybody in the car, in the car, in the flying car. And the plane was like, no, we saw this. And we have no idea how to explain it.

What the fuck? So speaking of UFOs, why don't we talk about a couple of UFO sightings in the Bridgewater Triangle? Oof-o's. There's a plenty. Let's hear it. We're just gonna kind of pop through these real quick. So on May 10th, 1760,

so a couple of long-ass time. A long-ass time. The first document at UFO sighting in the Bridgewater Triangle, they just said it was like a ball of fire in the sky. A ton of people saw it. It was reported it like widely. In 1908, on Halloween night, two undertakers were driving a carriage

from West Bridgewater. And shortly after 3am, they said that they saw up in the sky quote, an unusually strong lantern that lit up something big that looks like a balloon bag. Oh, they said it was really weird. They said they watched it for like 40 minutes. They thought it was like a hot air balloon. Yeah, and what's funny is that they made sure

in the reports to be like all balloons were accounted for that night. What? That's it. Um, dead. It's like, I love you, 1908. It's the best. All balloons were accounted for.

The 1960s was one... there was like a flood of these, actually. Ooh. And that's when it started, at least. In December 1976, two huge UFOs were seen landing their Route 44 in Tonton. Oh, and in the spring of 1979, that was the time where there was the highest amount of documented UFO sightings that took place here. News outlets and police were literally getting bombarded.

They were constant, and it was like not like one or two people being like, I saw this on the way in the sky. It was like dozens and dozens of people would suddenly be like, I saw this and it was all the exact same sightings. I like really freaks me out. Right, it's weird. And so March 23rd, 1979, two news guys, Jerry Lopez or Lopes, I'm not sure. And Steve Sibrasia from WHGH said they both saw a baseball diamond-shaped thing,

oh, with a series of lights on it, emitting a green substance or light in the Arute 24 in 109 in time. Nope. They said they pulled over to watch it. They said sparks were coming off at times, and it seemed, they said it seemed close enough to like feel like you could throw something up at it.

What the fuck? And they said it was massive. I wouldn't stop and watch it. I would survive so fast away. I feel like I would just be, I don't know if I would be like compelled to watch it. Yeah, that's true. So like massive and terrifying.

Yeah. I wouldn't want to get stuck around a way. Lopez was an Air Force veteran and he said he knew this was nothing that we had like he was like I Yeah, that's not ours. I know that's not ours and All balloons are accounted for all balloons were accounted for and he said it hovered and then just shot off and They said they were not alone in seeing this. Reports went nuts about it. A lot of people saw this exact same thing and described the exact same thing.

In one article that came out shortly after, where it had their accounts of it specifically, they had like 30 plus other sightings of that particular UFO. And so they had an artist take all the accounts and draw something. It was exactly. The baseball diamond, the light, everything. Wow.

All exact. It's crazy. And then in January 1991, a green flying disc was seen in Bridgewater, flying slowly at like 50 feet off the ground with a huge spotlight. Wow. And that was seen by dozens of people too. I'm sure there was more after that, but I stopped at that because. UFOs stress me out. They stress me out really heavily about it. Yeah, they stress me out. I'm not into it.

So moving on from UFOs to what? Circus freaks. Me. Just kidding. So this is just a funny little side. A little side show. This is a little side show for you. Da, da, da, da, da.

I love you. You're gonna start as the living skeleton. He was born on May 21st, 1841 in East Bridgewater, Massachusetts. Oh, well, so his weight like fluctuated slightly, but an official measurement taken by a doctor when he was 44 years old, put his height at five feet, six inches, and weighing 43 pounds. How did he survive? The photo of him is terrifying. He has like a totally normal head

and he is literally a skeleton. What? And they said he had some like weird affliction. Basically it was like some kind of muscular thing where he had to constantly, I could see carried around like a jug of like whole milk around his neck all the time and just constantly drink it to like stay alive Basically, what the fuck? Yeah, it's really bizarre

The other one that I found I couldn't find the third they said three were born here But I could only find two like who they were The other one was general Tom Thumb Tom Thumb otherwise his name is Charles Stratton. What's his deal? He was born in Middleboro. Okay. And he was three foot four inches. He was like, ver-tine. Yeah.

And that's just what his deal was. Tom Thumb was like the little, still very tiny, tiny man. Oh. The Tom Thumb house where he lived with his wife later is still located at 351 Plymouth Street in Middle Barrow. And originally it was built for, because the two of them both had dwarfism.

So it was originally built to accommodate them being so tiny. And but that's all been, I think most of it, the original stuff has been changed to like, like an average height person. But it's still there and it's a beautiful house. Cool. And it's just kind of cool.

It's cool. It's cool. I can't hear you. Tom Thumbloft here. Tom Thumbloft. Then we also had some giant buns that were found in the Bridgewater Triangle. No, those are just mine. An eight-foot skeleton with double rows of teeth.

What was found in deer field Massachusetts? Double rows of teeth. Yep. Another seven foot skeleton with double rows of teeth was found in Martha's Vineyard. Oh, I love the vineyard. And hadly Massachusetts, there was a seven foot skeleton with double rows of teeth.

And in middleboro Massachusetts, a seven foot skeleton with double rows of teeth. And in middleboro, Massachusetts, a seven foot skeleton with double rows of teeth. Like a human skeleton? Yeah. Like a... Timmins, hooms, hooms. So that's, I don't have a whole lot, because go Google that.

Well, like that in and of itself is like a lot of information for us. It is. Well, and it's, if you go Google that, there's not a lot of information about it. You have to really do a lot of digging. So I just thought that was an interesting little said. Now that we've gotten through a lot of the fun, fancy free stuff, we're going to fuck up

your world. We're about to dive into the abyss. We're about to dive in. So strap in and hold on to your butts. Hold on to your booty. Now the Bridgewater Triangle is known for a lot of really heinous crimes and a lot of cult activity.

Oh. The late 1970s and 80s in particular, they saw like a spike in this. Mm-hmm. And it's particularly in the free town state forest area in the Haukemoxwant. Police kept finding tons of evidence that showed that there was probably

a devil worshiping cult trolling through there. And this is an actual devil worshiping cult. Like these people worship the devil. Yes. They do sacrifices. They not. It's not chill. This is not copacetic.

This is not casual. I love that word. It feels good. copacetic. This is not casual. I love that word. It feels good coming out of your mouth. It really does. Just how to say it. So what the police ended up finding during this time was they'd find like underground bunkers that were used to carry out rituals

because there'd be, you know, altars and pentagrams and evidence of animal sacrifice and all this crazy stuff. There was a famous story from the 1980s, a bog worker said that trespassers were kept like coming at his shack, which was in the forest. And they were all dressed in black robes. Oh, no, thank you. And when he contacted the police, investigators found a large pentagram on the ground and they

saw this like design made of stones, like it was a ritualistic kind of thing. The pentagram was taken away and the stones were taken away, like everything was cleared up. But when they visited the scene the following day, all of it was back. Oh, like right where it came from. That spooky as well. Isn't that creepy. So that was just a weird little story.

And then they had nice try. Yeah, they're like, no. And then there's also been a ton of cattle mutilations reported. Oh, come on. Don't do that. There was a butchering of a cow in the woods and a group of calves were found really badly mutilated in a clearing.

Both of those things happened in 1998. And obviously they were thinking this is some kind of cult. It's a ritualistic sacrifice. It wasn't like they were, it was by other animals or anything. This was ritual. Yeah. Which is really fucked. It really is. Very fucked. I mean, I eat burgers, but like, come on. But I don't mutilate the cattle beforehand. And it bums me to think about it. Yeah. So not gonna have a cheeseburger tonight. No, definitely not. There have also been reports of cats and dogs found mutilated and like placed in ritualistic ways in there. So that's all big bummer. So this is all and this is all happening. Like people they found like lots of evidence of all this stuff. So there's something weird going on, for sure.

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Now, let's talk about one really famous case. That's a real bummer. So just get ready for it. You're still holding onto your butts? Hold on, keep holding onto them. This is the murder of Mary Lou Aruda. Ooh. In 1978, this is a very rough one.

And this case, actually my dad was, it was one of the ones that he was like, you have to cover this case. Because it's so huge. So huge. Crazy case. On September 8, 1978, 15-year-old cheerleader and all around like adorable girl, Mary Lou Aruta,

was seen riding her bike near her home in Reyna, Massachusetts at 4 p.m. at 4.30 p.m. A boy found her bicycle abandoned by the side of the road. There was skid marks from a car and a cigarette beside it. So it was very clear that she had been abducted off that bicycle. Right. Up, ton of witnesses came forward and said that they saw a green car with a black racing stripe speeding away from the scene at about that time.

What a fucking like, ballsy move to your green car with a right, everything's seriously in right off the street in the middle like daylight. Yeah, daylight in your green as car, it's insane. The police were able to get enough descriptions of everything to put together a sketch of a suspect.

That was put everywhere all over the place because obviously she's a 15 year old girl. Like this was a high profile thing. So huge police investigation and over a month later, they still hadn't didn't have any leads. But then a decomposing body was finally found on November 11th, 1978. It was Mary Lou Aruda, that's horrible. The way it was found though is horrific. Okay.

She was found tied to a tree in the Free Town State Forest. And what was figured out about her cause of death was that she had been alive and she had been beaten and battered brutally. Oh my God. Beyond and had been tied to battered brutally. Oh my God. Beyond and had been tied to the tree in a standing position. Oh my God. And when she had lost consciousness,

the weight of her body had caused her to expixiate. Jesus Christ. So she was tied to the etchery after being brutally beaten. And she was tied standing up and then just was standing out there in lost consciousness and ended up strangling herself on the most horrific thing. And they did determine that she had died the same day that she went missing. Oh my God. But she had been out there for a full month tied to that tree. Wow.

Awful. So authorities did really quickly find the suspect. Okay. Because he matched the sketch perfectly. Oh. Authorities did really quickly find the suspect. Because he matched the sketch perfectly. Oh. His name was James Cater. Do you know what I mean? He was a donut maker.

One, no. And he owned a car matching that bright green 1976 Opal with a black racing stripe, which it's not like everybody has that car. Yeah, seriously, what a fucking specific car you would be. Yeah, it's not like everybody has that car. Seriously, what a fucking specific car you are. Yeah, it's not like you're driving like a Nissan Altima just right on the street. And they also found out that he smoked

the exact same brand of cigarette that was found at the scene. Korean. He'd also been in trouble before. Oh. And this is very interesting. He was found guilty in 1968 of Assault with intent to rape assault and battery with dangerous weapon and kidnapping of a young woman from andover Messages. Jesus Christ. And what happened in that situation was he abducted a 13 year old North and over girl. Oh my God. On her bicycle Entide her to a tree. Oh, okay.

So he pled guilty to that. What? And served a prison sentence. How long? But he was let out. I'm not exactly sure of the prison sentence, but it was way too short. Jesus.

And even the investigators were like, he never should have been let out. No, because obviously, obviously did the exact same thing. Shortly after his release from that, he abducted Mary Lou. I think it was something like stopped. I think it was exactly a decade later he abducted Mary Lou. Wow. So he was sentenced to life in prison for Mary Lou Arruda's death. Thank God. He did deny

up until the point where he did now. Up until he died, he said he had nothing to do with the very little root of case. But he obviously did. Yeah, I mean, that really makes no fucking sense. He's just a piece of shit and he wasn't going to give anyone a clue. And he wasn't sure anything. Yeah. Just a fucking asshole loser. According to police, he also had once ran a woman off the road in his car and tried to abduct her. My God. In another incident, he attacked, this is awful. of doctors. My God. In another incident, he attacked, this is awful, a 63-year-old woman in a cemetery with a chair leg. What? An attempted to rape her. She was there grieving at her husband's grave. Oh my God. No. Yeah. He also, this is just an awful little fact about Mary Leruda's abduction. When he kidnapped her, he would have had to drive past her house. Oh no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no watch your safe space just disappear. Like I know that's a real bummer but it just like hit me when I read it. I was like

I just think about that. I'm like oh my god that makes me really nauseous. Yeah that like really just like got me in the feels. That's horrible. So today actually in random there's a soccer field named after Mary Lou. And there's also a street called Mary Lou Court. So she is well loved and wellness. Oh my God, that hurts my heart so bad. And James Cater died of cancer on January 23rd, 2016. And everyone was super psyched about it. Yeah.

That whole town, which I don't believe in, I'm gonna always like, good fucking riddance. Yeah, bye. Bye. Like a lot of people were like, yeah, I wish he had gone sooner. Like he should be there. I'm got to suffer though. I am too.

I'm glad he's. I'm sure he has a big walled that much time behind bars. Yeah. Now, residents who live near the place she was found, like now, will say that they sometimes hear screaming and crying from the forest. No. And they say it's like the ghost of Mary Lou.

That's really awful. Isn't that awful? I hope that it's not. I hope that she got peace. I hope it's just a, like a bunny. Yeah. Unfortunately. But I'd rather bunny them.

Her torture ghost. Yeah. Because bunny screams don't they sound like humans? They do. So can we talk about that one then? We did. Because something killed a bunny outside our window one night. Actually, I think we were talking about it in the Axeman of New Orleans episode.

Yeah. And I said, it sounded like a child screaming. Like we freaked out for a second and we're like, a bunch of run outsides. Oh my God. And then we were like, that's an animal. Yeah. So yeah, it's an awful sound. You don't ever want to hear it.

So unfortunately, that is the awful, awful murder of Mary Lou Ruella. The other infamous case we are going to cover is the Carl Drew and Robin Murphy. This is a case. So this kind of took place around this infamous little place in the forest called the Ice Shack, which is a small building that was used for logging in the 1940s, and it's just this creepy little shack. Yeah, but a lot of cult members, I guess, use it for their shit, and this happened to be one of them.

Okay. And a lot of drug dealing happens in that structure and murders. Great. So on October 13th, 1979, Detective Allen Sylvia was called to a fall river high school with the brutally mutilated corpse of a young woman was found under bleachers. What? By two women who were walking around the track one morning. Oh my God. She was found face-down in a pool of blood. Her wrists were bound in front of her with fishing line. Oh God. The detective said of all the homicides he had seen, this one stuck out as the most vicious he had ever seen.

Wow. And she was nude from the waist down. Her body was unbelievably beaten and her face and head had literally been crushed. Oh my God. Like they said they couldn't even tell it was like a face anymore. Jesus. Near the scene police found bloody rocks and believed she'd literally been stone to death. What the fuck? Yeah. The medical examiner's report said her skull had been crushed by multiple blows and there were also several stab wounds to her head. So that's like way way overkill way overkill. She was identified as 17-year-old Doreen Levec. Jesus 17 years old. She was beautiful too. She was a local runaway from New Bedford.

This was in Fall River. Remember she had been working as a sex worker around the area and so of course immediately they're like okay we got to start thinking of clients that couldn't come this. So after the discovery of her body the trail went pretty cold pretty fast because they just didn't it's tough it's tough yeah she wasn't away. Yeah there wasn't anything left at the scene that was gonna tie her to anybody so they and she was from New Bedford. So she was already a transplant and they were like, we don't know. Well three months later, another victim was found in the Free Town State Forest and it was by a

man walking his dog and he stumbled upon the body. Since Massachusetts gets so fucking cold in the winter, the cold had perfectly preserved the body. Oh shit. Decomp was like little to no decomposing. Wow. And they figured out that she was there for three months. Oh my god. She was literally like preserved. And pretty good condition.

It was, there was like no decomposing. She had it decomposed. This victim was also partially nude, badly beaten. Oh, normal. The same thing. And her face had also been crushed. She was laid out on a huge stone that investigators described as resembling an altar. So she was posed.

There were little pieces of concrete found in her hair and the medical examiner determined a concrete block was used to crush her head. Oh my god. She was later identified as 19-year-old Barbara Raposa. She had also been working as a sex worker in Fall River at the time of her death. She had been reported missing three months earlier. Oh no. Around the exact time that Dorian Leveque was found. And she was last seen with and reported missing by her boyfriend Andy Maltias. He's a creep. Oh good. And he was a pedophile, a rapist, and a sexual satist. Oh no.

And he also was a devout Christian. That was like, and apparently he had turned into a devout Christian. That was what he claimed. Turned into it after being a pedophile rapist and sexual satist. Oh, I thought you were going to change his ways. Oh, okay. We are not saying anything about that except that it is a fact. He used to be a devil worshipper, but he turned his ways around, apparently.

And he believed that there was a cult in the area. He told investigators there's a cult in the area, devil worshipping cult. Me and my girlfriend, Barbara, were a part of, at one point, and he thought they were responsible for this whole thing. Okay. Now, right away both scenes made it look like the girls were ritualistically killed. Right, right, right.

So now rumors of that devil worshiping cult practicing in the forest. Fuelled the satanic panic too. It pretty much, yeah. Fuelled by the fact that there had been animal mutilations for a while and there like we talked about, started making people go crazy. Of course.

Now Andy Maltias comes forward to the police and says that he and Barbara were part, because then he comes back and he was like, okay, maybe we were still a part of this devil worshipping group a little bit. And he said it's like 10 plus people. Most of them were in the local sex working industry. And he said one of the high leaders of this whole call

was a 25 year old pimp named Carl Drew. Oh. See, this was the kind of satanic situation where they actually were worshiping Satan. Right. Like they met in the forest, they tried to call him and they sacrificed animals, and apparently people to try to do is bidding. The detective Sylvia said he and another investigator were let into a couple of the members apartments. My God.

And started seeing that the shit was real. They were let in because a lot of the members didn't want to be like accused of this. So they were like, we're just gonna try to comply. Right. They were able to chat with a couple of the members after one of the meetings. And Karen Marsden was one of these members. She was a 20 year old sex worker in the group. Detective Sylvia said he talked to her

because she was seemingly like terrified and really wanted to talk, but was having trouble like coming forward to him. She denied knowing anything at first, but they pushed a little bit because they were like, we know she was on the towel. She had a towel. She's just scared.

So she finally admitted that the group was led by Carl Drew, who called himself the son of Satan. Oh, casual. You not son. Yeah, like common. She then actually led the investigators to the place in the forest where they performed these devil worshipping rituals. Carl had apparently taken her to a specific area in the forest once and told her he had killed people there and through them in the water. Oh, so they were like cool, cool, cool, cool. He called it, this is actually just hilarious because of the dumb.

That is a wall cared because of the dumb. He called it Satan's water because it was green. In reality, it just had a high algae content. You're stupid. Like are you a fucking idiot? This he or her? Not Karen Marsden, like Carl. Yeah, no, Carl.

This is Satan's water. This is Satan's water because it's green. It's like, no, dude, it's a fucking swamp. Read a book. Like, you're stupid. Go to the library and read a book about marine life, okay? Because algae. Because like spend your time doing something different

than murdering people. Carl, you're the worst. When they searched around that area while she was showing it to them, there were pentagrams everywhere and make shift altars and evidence of animal sacrifice. So they were like, she was down the fucking truth as well as the place where they did. Karen then broke down out of nowhere. And she said she was absolutely terrified that she was going to be next. Oh no. She said, I know I'm the next one that's going to be killed. So detective Sylvia, in particular, said he begged her to agree to protect of custody.

He was like, we can protect you. Like, just tell us everything and we will protect you. And she said she wouldn't take it. She was too afraid that not only Carl Drew was going to get her, but the devil himself. What the fuck? So she was like really far in. Oh, no. He ended up, and he said he tried and tried and tried and tried and she just wouldn't take it and it was because I think he said like

You know one of the things about sex workers is they have to be street savvy and he's like I think she was just too worried to get too involved with the with on with the police because that was also going to put a big target on her back. Right. So she was trying to distance herself, but also was breaking down. Like she was in a little total breakdown. The so girl. Yeah, it's really sad. He ended up bringing her at her request to St. Mary's Cathedral. Okay. This was literally like her last resort because she was so scared and she had nowhere else

to go. And they said, and he said, I watched her walk up to the door. I watched like a priest open the door and she went in. Okay. That night she disappeared. Oh no. Well, Detective Sylvia said he dropped her off and that is the last time he saw her. Oh my God, that must haunt him.

It does. He said, like, to this day, it like kills him. Oh, two months later, April 13, 1980, a man walking in the woods finds a toothless skull. No. It is Karen Marshal. Oh, no. Investigators found hair, teeth, and belongings of her

scattered over two mile radius where they believe she was dragged. Oh my god. Her body was nowhere to be found. What? And they think she literally destroyed her body. They only found her head. They only found her head. Oh god. And they said there was a pig farm nearby and they think they should they might have thrown her body to the pigs. Oh my god. Now the members of the cult are worried that they're going to be suspects. All of them. So some of them agreed to let police listen to their phone calls. And they did this because the police were like, we're not going to bust you on all the shit we know you're doing. If you just like all the minor shit we know you're doing.

If you just let us listen and they were like, cool, I don't want to get involved in this. So after a six month investigation, they get a huge break. Tell me, they hear a carol. So they're thinking they're carol or call. Just going to say that was a slip of the tongue. Because they're thinking they're going to get carol drew. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to get to this. Right. Well, they get a call or they're on a call. They're listening. They're listening. And where a 17 year old girl named Robin Murphy says, quote, I killed Karen and they'll never figure it out because I took my clothes off when I did it. But bitch, the phone is tapped. So you're done.

Wowsers. And also, how do you do that to another fucking person? Oh, and wind, you find out exactly what happened because it tells you now, the investigators to this day will say she that Robin Murphy is the epitome of evil. Oh God. They actually said quote you can see evil just by looking at her. And honestly if you look at a picture you're like yep oh no like there's something missing there. I'm spooked and I think it's a soul. One would say she's terrifying and you can't even like pinpoint why you just look at her and you're like no people, people are just like that. Yeah, you're like, I don't want to mess with you. No, don't want to deal with that. Now, apparently she started off as a sex worker at her early teens.

Okay. How old was she? 17. Okay. So she started very early. Oh wow. So it's not that she did not have a great start to life. But at this time, she was helping run the whole operation. What the fong side Carl drew at 17 years old. Essentially, she was like a female pimp. Yeah, running the shit. Detective Sylvia called her the greatest and most vicious intimidating that he had ever met. Oh, wow. He also said the people around her feared her more than he had seen any other people fear someone like any other group of people fear her leader.

Police immediately arrested Robin and Carl Drew. Okay. I heard this. Turns out the two of them were literally running everything with just by fear, just by being like, well, we'll just murder you if you don't comply to what we want you to do. They believed Doreen was killed because she was an outsider who was coming onto their territory because she was from New Bedford. Oh. So she was kind of like,

she wasn't part of their whole thing. So the gold weren't getting money. Like she wasn't pimped out. Oh. She was like a free user. She was doing her own thing and they were like fuck you. So they were like, she's stealing money from out. She was like a freak. She was doing her own thing. And they were like fucking. So they were like, she's stealing money from us. Oh, Jesus.

That was why she was killed. And Barbara Raposa was killed because she knew too much about Robin's hand in Dorine's murder. Oh, okay. Because Robin also had a hand in Dorine's murder. Investigators believe Karen Marston saw Dorine's murder as well and that's why she was so racked with fear because she saw Dorine's murder. She saw what happened to Barbara who had seen Dorine's murder and she was like oh I'm next

that's why she was saying like I'm next and then she was basically Carl drew in Robin Murphy were murdering these girls together. Wow, both of them had hands in it. Robin Murphy agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder for the murder of Karen Marston, and she would get immunity in the other cases if she agreed to testify against Carl Drew. Okay. So she said she would. Yeah. She said that Drew ordered that Karen Marsden be killed right after

Detective Sylvia dropped her off at St. Mary's Cathedral. They were like following them. Yeah. And that was on February 8th, 1980, that she was murdered. And Detective Sylvia said he was like, I had a feeling. Like just a bad feeling. He's like, I didn't obviously didn't know what was going to happen, but he was like, I just, something really bad is going to happen to her. I just know it. Oh no. Because he said her fear was just unbelievable when he dropped her off. The way she was murdered Karen Marston is horrific.

She was raped and tortured before being brutally killed. Oh no. Marston had allegedly had her hair and fingernails ripped out while she was still alive. Oh my god. And she was found toothless. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. She had been savagely beaten over the head with stones until Drew threw her over his knee and snapped her neck and also slammed her head into the ground over and over and over to break her neck.

Oh my god. Her head was then cut off and kicked around by other members that were there. What? They literally kicked it around like a soccer ball. Her fingers had been removed to steal her rings and a large X had been carved across her chest. And this is all from Robin Murphy telling this. And then did they feed her to the pigs?

And she didn't say that. She wouldn't say what happened to her body after that. Oh my God. And people think that Robin was the one who like cut her throat. Oh my God. Robin Murphy did testifying court to her part in the murders. And also said that Drew was 100% like the mastermind next to her part in the murders. And also said that Drew was 100% like the mastermind next to her.

Murphy said that Drew killed Doreen too, but after they talked to other members, they also were like, she had a hand at it too. Like, don't say that it was just Carl Doreen who killed Doreen. Yeah, like you did, too. You did, too. And what they said was, it was Robin Murphy,, who when they killed Dorin, the first girl, she made them all pick up a rock and hit her with it so that they'd all be implicated.

And she was like, see, I don't know if you can go to the police. And she was a fucking monster. No one was convicted for the murder of Dorin. Why? Because they couldn't tie anything to it. Oh my God. They know they did it, but like, they can they couldn't tie anything to it. Oh my god. They know they did it, but like, you can't tie that many people to it. Barbara's boyfriend, the pedophile and awful person,

was convicted of her murder and died behind bars. Wait, so he was in on it? Yeah. So he was in on the whole thing. Carl Drew was convicted of Karen Marsden's murder, March 13th, 1981, and is serving life in prison. If he's still alive. He's still alive and he's still in prison. Is he like around here? And he also, he, to this day, says he had nothing to do with it. Yeah, but he's like, sure.

And I'm pretty sure he had this like a blog where he like documents how he is innocent. He's blogging from prison. I'm pretty sure. Cool. So yeah, what is the justice system? He got even more prison time because he was also convicted of assault with a deadly weapon on another sex worker and different. She's like everybody calm down. Everybody chill. Robin Mercy Murphy also got life in prison for her role in Karen Morrison's murder. In 2004 though, she got paroled. What?

After only 15 years. How? Don't worry though, she was sent back to prison in 2011. For what? Because a state trooper stopped the car she was driving in revier, and the person she was with was another woman who had a she had a felony record in possessed heroin and that was against her caprull. Oh, so she got thrown back in prison. Good.

Murphy applied again for parole in 2012 and she told the parole that the woman was just like on a acquaintance and she had no idea who she was really and that she was just giving her a ride. They denied her parole. Okay, good. She went back on March 28th, 2012, and was like, just kidding, that woman has actually been my lover for years. But I had no idea that she was a heroin addict. And they were like, yeah, you're not helping yourself

because you just said that you lied to us. Well, the first time. So now we don't believe you, like, so she was denied again. What a moral. And she's still in jail And she's still in prison, because they've denied her parole. So she's back to life in prison.

And I think she can only be eligible for parole hearings until like 2022 or something. Uh-huh. And at any time, they can just say, like, you're not getting paroleed here. Okay, good. Which I'm hoping they do. I can't even believe they paroleed her the first time.

I know. And actually detective Sylvia was like furious that they did that. Yeah. Because he had like a real personal connection to this. He worked this whole thing. Right. And the one who dropped Karen Marston off. It's like he has a real. Yeah. And he's he was at every parole hearing. I would be like he's not letting that go. He got a ton of death threats from Murphy and to when she was peroles. Like, I'm so in terrified. Are you kidding me? And he testified at the hearing in March to be like, no, she needs to stay in. Like, you know, she's death threatening me. And he says he is still

really, really messed up about the Karen Marshal. Yeah, I don't blame him. And he wishes that he was like, I wish there was some way that I could have got her to accept my protection. Like that's all I want. Yeah, 17 years old and that's what you're capable of. Yeah, so it's, I mean, that story to me is like so vicious. It's so horrifying. And it's still like there's people who think Karl Drew is innocent. There's people who think, and like Robin Murphy, man, she's, she might be the scarier

than Carl. Yeah, they're just innocent though. No, I don't think so either. I don't think I was boyfriend, but the hell? Yeah, the whole thing is terrifying because it's not like, not that there's any great way to die or murder. No, of course not, but that's like some of the most

brutal thing. Oh, one of the girls really freak me out. At one point, Robin Murphy said in court that the purpose of torturing these women, like they said that we couldn't just kill them. We had to torture them because we had to bring them to such an emotionally high place and such a physically like crazy place that that's when the sacrifice is most potent. So it was intentional that like we bring them to the point where they're in the worst pain of their life and at the most emotionally just heightened place of their

life and that's when they're meeting kill them. Oh my God. So these poor women were, had the most brutal experience. That makes me very nauseous. Yeah. So those are the two most famous fridge-water-tries. I just, I don't really get, like, sacrifices. Like, I don't, like, what do they get out of it? I don't know.

What is the devil-giv-y? Well, I think they're, like, they think they get power or they get, like, I don't know. you'd have to be in that like crazy as mine No, no thanks, and I'm just not I'm I have a lot of a lot of busy days. I have so many busy days I can't sacrifice. I'm sorry. I can't do a lot of plans So that is going to wrap up Wow the bridgewater trying our look into the bridgewater triangle Wow, the bridge water triangle. I'm looking to the bridge water triangle. Tuna next week for the fucking Boston Strangler.

It's gonna get even worse. It's really just get worse. We're just gonna slip down this really shitty dark slope. Also, Alaina's mom slash my grandma was living in Boston at the time of the Boston Strangler's reign and her fucking door didn like didn't lock right? Or something like that. Or you could open it with a credit card.

She was living in Boston at this time in an apartment with like a couple of other girls. And you could literally open her door with a credit card because it was just like this janky store and she was like, yeah, I was really scared. I'm like, I survived the wildest shit dude. So she's like a badass. I love that time. But we're gonna go into a real deep dive into the Boston

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