Morbid - Episode 8: Charles Manson The “Love Bug Sent From Up Above” Part 2

Episode Date: July 5, 2018

In what seemed like an instant, Manson and his murderous, yet groovy family took the leap from a life built on peace and love to commiting some of the most violent and vicious murders in true crime history. So, carve an X on your head, groove to The Beatles White Album and stay the hell away from the Belladonna because Part 2 of Charlie and the fam will have you yearning for the grunge era. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And this is morbid. We're not squeaky in Tex. I'm Ash. I'm Alana. You've got to stuck in your brain that I murdered somebody. What do you want to call me a murderer for? I've never killed anyone! I don't need to kill anyone! I think it!

I have it here! Maybe I should have killed 400-500 people then I would have felt better. I mean, I felt like I really offered society something. We've seen. Hello, weirdo. Yay! We're in a very, very hot pod lab. We are Smalter Skelter Inc. Smalter Skelter. I's so funny. So I actually, so we're gonna be continuing Ashes favorite, uh, Trippy Guru. Trippy. Chow's Mance, him.

Yeah. And something kind of funny happened two days ago. It was kind of perfect timing. We didn't plan this, it just happened. We also haven't talked about it, so you were going to hear my live reaction. Luzley Van Houten was denied her 21st parole attempt on June 30th, which won her 21st. Wow girl. So apparently in January of this year of 2018, the parole board actually recommended her to be released, because she's like getting education and birth and she's like changed my heart.

I'm on 19a more, I'm like 68, like fuck you Leslie. Like that doesn't change the fact that you're still murder. And the governor of California, Jerry Brown, overturned that. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, he chose. He was like, what the fuck? She's a monster. And he was like, have you not listened to true crime podcast?

She's the worst. Like, hey guys, go listen to more of the True Crime Podcasts. She was the worst. And he said the reason he overturned it was the aggravated nature of the crime alone can provide a valid basis for denying parole, even when there is strong evidence of rehabilitation and no other evidence of current dangerousness. So a judge was like, yeah. Well, yeah, that's great that you're cool now, but you weren't and you still did a crime.

Yeah, she, I mean, she stabbed people as we'll talk about later. She held a stabbed. She was one of those, and she's one of the girls that you see in all those pictures with the three-man-sing girls that are the parts of fucking face. Who were like carving their face and shaving their head and singing songs as they walk into their murder trials so she didn't give a shit. She was 19 at the time. Right. So like you knew enough to make sure it was a shit. Leslie knows that she's a piece of shit and it doesn't matter that you look like a friendly grandmother now. Yeah. You're still a piece of shit.

We got a urprime queen or homecoming bullshit blah blah blah. Like whatever. You will murder her. Yeah you stay in and post it. At the end of the day you will murder us. Truffs Yeah, I think that was my update on her so cool and I had and then later I have something else to say about one of the victims mother's has made this kind of very difficult for her to get out of prison Which I'm like your boss. Oh, but yeah sick. All right should be just you know like Yeah, I think we just jump right into it. All right. They we just, you know, like... Yeah. I think we should just jump right into it.

All right, they've been waiting long enough. You guys have been waiting. All right, so just to recap, I think we talked about the song that Dennis Wilson claimed us his own. And it is never learned not to love, but it was originally ceased to exist when Charlie wrote it.

Because Charlie wrote it. Charlie did write it, and it is a song that you can listen to, but Charlie's not singing it. Unfortunately, I'm just kidding. So, yeah, Dennis Wilson really pissed Charlie off. To the point where Charlie left a bullet in his bed. Which, you know, just saying like, hey, I know where you are.

I'm in the messages. I know where your kids are and like, fuck know, just saying like, hey, I know where you are. I know where your kids are. And like, fuck you, Dennis, essentially. But what it comes down to is that Charlie knew that he couldn't actually like get the family after Dennis or do anything to Dennis because Dennis had close ties to music producer. I believe. Terry Milcher. Yeah. So big name. Big name. Terry Milcher, oh, also his mom was, I believe, Doris Day. Yes, yes, okay. Yeah, she was. I got that ring down somewhere, yeah.

Which is crazy. Yeah, but anyway, he had produced over 80 hit singles within a few years. Yeah, he's no joke. So he was really just doing the damn thing. He produced for the doors, other people, you know. The important one is the doors. The doors, yeah.

So Manson was like, I believe we said it last episode, like super determined to get signed by Terry Milcher. So Milcher. So I'm gonna be rock star, David. He really just wanted to be the sixth Beach Boy. Oh, as we've been doing this. Because I did some research and there are five. So now we all have. Also, I didn't actually do research. I was just watching a documentary and I counted them,

so I hope I didn't incorrectly count. That's research. Research. I trust your accounting skills. I'm fucking smolder, sculptors. I've seen you count before. You're pretty good at it. You're pretty good at it. Thank you. You're welcome. So, yeah, Milcher heads over to spawn, Ranch, to listen Charlie and some of the family perform. Manson tells the family afterward that Milcher promised him a record deal. Brode a contract. Why didn't anyone see the contract? Who destroyed it? Were paper shredders alive back then? That might be bullshit. Probably a little bit of LSD and you had to make a correction. Oh yes. Speaking of LSD. What was that? Was that Annie? I don't know.

Did you just go boom? Why is this shickly happening? I don't know. Yeah this is weird. Someone might be in a haunted longer room. I don't know. What's I don't know maybe Charlie's like tell them what I was actually like yeah I keep forgetting that he died. Yeah so maybe he's like you got it wrong. Maybe Charlie's like, tell them what I was actually like, I keep forgetting that he died. Yeah, so maybe he's like, you got it wrong. Maybe he's like, Ash, you look like one of my followers today. Oh, yeah. We should probably mention that before I even go into this. I know we sent a picture out last time.

I didn't. We're not taking one today. I didn't do this on purpose either. Yeah, and last time Ash was dressed as a flower child. Yeah. And today, now I kind of look like a murderer because I'm sweaty and hot. To my house in a tie-dye t-shirt and no shoes,

which is so man-cin-same. Yeah. So, like, I'm pretty positive that Ash is officially joining the Manson family after his death. I might have. I mean, go. Just like, you don't have time for shoes, sometimes. Just go for it. I was already late and I just couldn't find shoes.

I mean, we don't all have time for shoes. Yeah, it's summer. Fuck shoes. Oh yeah. Okay, but your correction. My correction is correct. Well, it's not even correction. It's just like an addition. So we mentioned LSD quite a bit. That's he which he did use quite not wrong and he had his followers use it quite a bit that is totally right but there's also another very potent substance which this is cool that he was giving his followers in the form of a tea so a super trippy tea this is it's it's a plant called Beladana and I think it's, they basically use the root to brew the tea and it's crazy hallucinogenic. Like, you can hallucinate more than LSD, like weeks.

Literally, like so, Tex Watson is one of the followers that is a main guy that we're gonna, I mean I have a little thing to introduce him next, because I don't think we've introduced him yet. No, we haven't introduced him yet. And we haven't introduced a lot of the new players. The new players. Yeah. It's kind of, I'm mentioning it because Tex Watson

was on this stuff when the murders occurred. Right. So this is a plant that grew around spawn ranch with her currently staying in that whole commune lifestyle. And Tex Watson in an interview said that Charlie and him were driving through the hills of spawn ranch. They met some guy, the guy kicked him off their land. Manson is like a huge big shot.

Obviously, it was like, I'm gonna poison him. Do you know how to poison people? And he was like, yeah, this is shit on the ground right here. That'll fuck you up. Here it is, right here. And it was Bella Donna and Charlie was like, oh shit, I can start using this in smaller amounts and just have people trip and balls everywhere.

And that was Charlie's dream. We just wanted everyone to have a trip and balls as to be rock star. And he had one of the girls making tea from it because apparently she was very adept at making tea of Bella Donna. Such a fucking love child. This girl said that she had some of it

and she was feeling the effects weeks afterwards, having blackouts weeks afterwards. So this shit is no joke. Now this is just from the tea. You actually bite into that root and you're gonna be fucked up for like ever. For like your entire life. Inx before the tape murders that we're gonna mention soon,

he bit into it. I'm just like eight some of that. Yeah, like he said he just bit into it. It looked like a jam so he bit into it. So he said he is quoted as saying people call LSD a hallucinogen, but it is not anywhere near as hallucinogenic as Beladana. I mean you hallucinate so strongly that you completely lose touch with what you would call reality. In other words, if I were on Beladona now, I wouldn't necessarily have to be seeing all these people in this courtroom in all of you. I may just be seeing palm trees

in the ocean in another reality. That's insane. So he would literally just be somewhere else. That's how hardcore it was. And he said at one point it made a molly foam at the mouth. Holy shit. So it's like no, so I think that's one of the things he was using to like just fuck these people up And I mean in text join the group his name is also Charles Which is yeah, but they call them texts cuz he was from Texas from a small town in Texas And he just kind of like met I think they met at Dennis Wilson's house. Yeah, like during all that Shenanin is fucking met text and then he was like hey you want to be in my family in text was like yeah, I'm fucked up Let's do this. Let's do it. Here I am. Okay. So, Manson tells the family that milter promises a mehrecker deal, paper shredders, fucking contracts, never happened by.

Later, milter has second thoughts apparently. I don't know if that's true or if it just never happened. And he tells Charlie that he does think his music is good, but he says, I got a lot. A lot of his music was good. He was just kind of like you're kind of weird. Charlie's main problem was that he's fucking bananas. Like he's bananas. Like you had just tone it down, bro. Seriously, I think he was just too excited. But I mean, so was Ozzy Hasborn. It worked for him. I know. But I feel like the music that Charlie wanted to do you couldn't be. And he was surrounded by like it would be cool if he was surrounded by a group of like like, just normal flower ladies.

Like flower ladies. But like, I think these girls were like, little, little narcole. Little narcole. And the dudes around him too, because he was getting dudes around him. And so it's like, I think there was just a lot of people.

There was just too much going on. He says his music's good, but I wouldn't know what to do with you. And I wrote that, he literally says, I would not know what to do with you. And I wrote that, he literally says, I would not know what to do with you. Because how do you mark at him? That's the problem. He didn't know, and I don't know, and I don't know if you know. That's the thing.

They were like, you can't, you're talented in a way. Yeah. But like, I don't know how to bring you to society. Right, that's the thing. And that's why Charlie hates society. Yeah, and that's the thing. They didn't know what to do with them. That's kind of a bummer.

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So, just keep in mind that Charlie knows Milcher lives on C.L.O. Drive, but what he doesn't know is that Milcher moved out of that house, and that is when Sharon T. and Roman Polanski move in. Just a little tidbit. But there's a few things to be got to go over first. Charlie's Enraged by Terry Melcher's alleged betrayal. And he becomes more obsessed with Helter Skeletor and creating the race war like we said last time.

Yes, because it was like during the race riots and stuff. Right, so he was like, oh, I think he had a little like, he used it. Yeah, exactly. And he thought like the White Apple was giving him like codes, only them, like he was like telling the Beatles new him. That this is just to us. Like they know that we're listening.

It's like, maybe he was doing like a little bit of Bella Donna. He was doing a lot of Bella Donna, I think. Like early January 1969, like after they were like really getting into the White Album and started to think that this White Album was speaking to them, that Charlie positioned the family in like LA in another house. And it was basically so that they could monitor the

situation that was his whole thing like because it was racial tensions in LA and they wanted to monitor everything and see it was panning out. And that was the Canary Yellow House. It was a Canary Yellow House in Canoga Park which wasn't far from spawn ranch so they could move between them easily. They called it their Yellow submarine because you know the Beatles song. I think they liked the Beatles. I mean, I feel like maybe they did,

but I think we're just assuming that because of the time. Yeah, they knew a little song. They knew a little song. They might have known a couple of songs. Yeah, I mean, maybe. I'm not sure. Maybe they could name one of the members.

They knew Heelter Skelter. Heelter Skelter. Have you heard that one? I haven't heard that one person. Yeah, but I trust you that it's a song. It is. That'll make sense later. Um, so he basically, he called it their yellow submarine for the Beatles reference obviously,

but also because he wanted to make the groups submerged beneath the awareness of the outside worlds in their submarine. This is where they started like singing songs together and recording songs. And- I don't want to hear them. Right, it's like one of those things where you kind of want to hear them. songs. I don't want to hear them. Right, it's like one of those things where you kind of want to hear them. I don't want it at all. Something bad might happen if you hear them, so it's like, I don't know.

I'll feel like I'm on the fucking weird team. Yeah, I feel like it's like the ring tape, but like, you're like, I want to watch it. I don't, but I'm going to die in 70s. Yeah, I'm not watching that shit. No, I'm not going to watch that shit. Fuck that. But I'm also not going gonna listen to the shit. But it's the same thing.

So, this is also where they came up with the whole Helter Skeletor plan of the race war, and they were gonna do all the shit. So, this ultimate plan, Helter Skeletor. Yes, is as follows. The family would create an album of songs similar to the Beatles' White Album. But different. Probably totally as good as the White Album too. Doubt it. Because their skills were on point, I bet. Charly's were probably not Beatles on point, but, you know, yeah.

You know, yeah. So they were going to create this album of songs. And they were going to put in all this hidden shit That was gonna be triggers for people to understand that Helter Skelter was a person like how they felt the Beatles Exactly, I was gonna be like subtle codes. I feel like your husband's never gonna listen to the Beatles the same I feel like he's not but he's so well though. He will. Yeah. I mean our child's name is Lenin You also played the song your one. I just want to put that out there. We like the Beatles. Just try it a little bit or so. Not as much as the Manson family or not in the same way, but we like the Beatles so What was going to happen? This was the plan. This would trigger everybody to understand that a race war was upon us

Helter-Skelter go at it. So now They were gonna say that these murders that they committed, the ones that we're about to talk about, they were assuming that everyone was gonna assume that black people did this. So these awful murders that were committed by black people obviously, that was gonna be met with like crazy vengeance and that there was gonna be this crazy split between the races that just grew even bigger. Right. And then they also knew that within the Caucasian race, there was going to be racist white people and non-racist white people as there is. Now those white, those two groups were going to like,

destroy themselves. And it was basically gonna be like self annihilation. Like the whites were gonna annihilate each other. But then. And again, I'm using the whites and stuff. This is all like from a group. They're a plan.

Yeah. So this was going to end in, you know, black people triumphing over white people. But then. But. So this would happen. And then the family who were riding out this whole shits norm been underground. And the bottomless pit. In something called quote unquote the bottomless pit.

Which they started to make, right? It basically they were making a secret city. That's what they wanted to make. Beneath Death Valley. And they were going to call it the bottomless pit. And that's where they were going to ride out this whole shits norm. And and they were gonna call it the bottomless pit and that's where they were gonna ride out this whole shit storm and then they were going to emerge after the white people annihilated themselves. How are they even supposed to know? This is a little drug. Because sturdy hippie shit. This is drugs.

Because this is when they would come out and they would rule over the black race. That was their whole plan is that they were gonna come out of this fucking like underground city and that black people were gonna be like, oh my god, you must be it, you are gurus and they were all just gonna bow down to them and then they'd rule over them. So they were like racist pieces of shit also. They were racist as fuck. Yeah. And I mean later Charlie carved a swastika in his head. So did he just turn the X carved a swastika in his head. So did he just turn the X into a swastika? I mean, I think the X probably healed.

I don't know if he did it that. Yeah, because he has healed forever. He later had the swastika tattooed on to his head. He carved it first, and then I was tattooed. So yeah, who fucking tattooed that? So that's the ultimate plan. So he starts telling members of the family that they're gonna have to show the blacks

how to start Helter Skeletor. Just like help them, just help them. Just give them a helping hand. And he called them the blackies a lot. Yep, the blackies. The blackies makes me feel some type of way. Yeah, I also didn't call them the black side, just that's the quote.

No, yeah, I was gonna say that as, I'm not a horrible person. When we say these things, it's from his, it's quotes, like we don't call people the blacks and the blackies sure don't know that for do yikes So Charlie puts text Watson who we mentioned before in charge of preparing the family with money intended to help them during like the conflict the race war text it says he defrauded African-American drug dealer, Bernard Lotsapapa. Crown. I love it.

Like, is that how you say that? It is. Lotsapapa. You have it exactly right, lotsapapa. Great, lotsapapa. Like, I got a lot of dads. Lotsapapa. Um, Crown, so he defraud him.

So does that mean he just like lies to him or like, robs him? Yeah. Like, I didn't get that. I found, I think he, I think it was basically like he owed him money or said money. Like it's gonna give, yeah, it's like, it's a very weird, clear. It's unclear. Yeah.

Basically, he lies to this guy and this guy gets pissed off. But basically. And this guy crowed lots of Papa threatens to wipe out the whole family. And Charlie responds to this by showing up to his apartment on July 1st 1969 and shooting him. Yes. So you know that's how I take care of all my problems as well. I mean, I'm perfectly understandable. Yeah. Um, Manson later sees a news report of the discovery of a body of a black panther and he believes this to be the body of Crow. However, that is not the case because he was not a black panther One was not a black Panther and two didn't die. Yes, he didn't kill them. So he

later like shows up in like these like news reports and blah blah blah. So at this point he basically because he figured now the black panthers were gonna be coming after them. So he turns spawn ranch into like he puts like armed like night patrols like he was like we need to be ready because Helter Skeletor is coming down very soon because we fucked over the kids like this is it guys like it's happening But Crow wasn't a black Panther. No, so I don't know why I think he just assumed that all I think he just I don't I think he's just super racist. He's just a misled Understand. Yeah, you know fucking Charlie fucking Charlie

So he still could be I mean they didn't get any money because Crow got pissed off. Yeah, I don't know. You know, fucking Charlie. Fucking Charlie. So he still could, I mean, they didn't get any money because Kroga pissed off. Yeah. And he still convinced that the family's gonna need money. So he sends Bobby Bucileal, is that how you say it? Yes, okay. Thanks so much. I'm gonna say it's a very weird Boussile.

Boussile? Boussile, okay. So he sends Bobby Boussile, Mary Burner, who is the chick that he was married to. Yeah, the first girl. Yeah, the first girl. They have a kid together. Yeah. Do you have like Moonbeam or something or Valentine's?

Poobare. Poobare. Close to the moonbeam. Poobare. You're fucking now. It's all on the same under the book. Sunshine Dust. Yeah.

So we send Mary Burner, Bobby. How do I say to you? Bosele. Bosele and Susan Atkins, crazy motherfucker. Yeah, Susan Atkins. To the home of Gary Allen headman. By the way, I think she's dead. Yeah, I think she did.

Yeah. Anyways, so he sends them to the home of Gary Allen headman. So Gary was a music teacher and PhD student who some of the members of the family had previously stayed with. He's described as like basically the nicest guy ever. The kind gentle soul. And he took in people a lot to stay with him. That needed to stay.

That's how we befriended them in the first place. Right, they stayed with him for a little bit. Moral of the story is dopey nice to people. Yeah, don't. So, Manson for some reason thought that Gary had stocks and bonds and also believed that Gary owned the property on which he lived. His idea was to send the members of the family to his house to convince Gary to join the family.

Clearly, this does not go as planned and the family ends up holding Gary hostage for two days. Yep. During that time, Mary. During that time, Manson apparently slashes Gary's ear with a fucking sword. Like Charlie Manson, slashes Gary's ear with a fucking sword Charlie Manson where'd you get a sword Charlie Manson settle down? Yes, settle drink some regular tea maybe some sleepy time like what do you do with a sword bro?

That's the last thing Manson needs. Yeah, can you imagine that little turd coming into your house while you're being held hostage by these funky dirty? The Charlie's is like, hey, go. He comes in with a sword. He's like, what is happening right now? He's wild. Like, oh. So he slashes his ear, they hold him hostage, and basically, Manson instructs Bobby. I'm not going to say his last name because I keep fucking it up to shoot Gary.

Yep. Um, boasts a label. But thank you. I just like saying it. I just don't. Someone writes in blood on the wall, political piggy, and draws a panther paw, which might have been Susan Atkins because she did some drawing. She does some shit.

She's all about the drawing. I also found an alternative theory as to why they killed Gary Henry and him. And cool. So there's that. And I think that's part of a theory. Yes. killed Gary him and cool so there's that and I think that's part of it. That is a theory yes. And I remember hearing and this is courtesy of last podcast on the left so I want to get a chance to talk.

We did see them and they were amazing. That show was so good. That show was so good. They actually said that they researched and found that Gary, Hinman, may have been like a small-time mescaline dealer and that he made kind been like a small time masculine dealer. And that he made kind of like a funky batch that like didn't go so well. Oh, bad drugs.

And that the family had ended up, before all this occurred, before they held him hostage and all that shit. They were like the middleman between his drugs and this biker gang. So they were like selling to this biker gang. Okay. So they were like selling to the biker gang. And the biker gang comes up later.

The biker gang got this bad batch of masculine. It was real pissed. It was pissed at the family for selling it to them. So the family, then Charlie was like, fuck Gary. Now we got a fuck. Okay. So that might have been part of it. I feel like that makes sense.

Like it makes sense, so maybe that was part of it. Maybe that's the whole story. Yeah. That could be it. Um, a biker gang comes up later too. They do. So, boasted lay? Boasted lay. Yeah. Boasted lay. Boasted lay. Boasted lay. But don't dude. Cause he didn't actually. He's a slayed. Yeah. He's a dick. Um he was arrested along a sixth after all this um for actually driving Gary Himmings car. But he says he only went to the house to recover money paid to Gary for bad drugs. So I actually had the window.

Oh, there you go. And he said, the women only went along to visit and say, hey, to Gary. Just, hey, they were both. Hey, Gary. It's like, what's that, Gary? Hey, Gary, Gary. This is a very different story from the one that Susan Atkins tells, which is that Manson told Bobby, Mary and her to go to Hinman's house,

get his supposed inheritance of $21,000. And also, he told her that if she wanted to do something important, that she would kill him to get his money. Because that's important. Hell yeah. That's the only important thing you need. Money.

Yeah. Two days after the murder of Hinman, Gary tells the family now is the time for a shelter shelter. And they found the murder weapon in the tire well of his car. Oh, yeah, that's how dumb. Yeah, come on Like really like they're so hippie. They just don't give a fuck like you're giving them all these tasks and they're just They're hippies. Yeah, you're giving hippies tasks and it's not it's not gonna work out Spoiler alert. It is not going to work. It doesn't work. So yeah, it's time for Helders' Shelter. Yikes.

Yikes. So I wrote, August 8th is when shit gets real people. It's true. I'm glad you did. Manson Instructs, Tex Watson, to go to the house on CLEO Drive and kill everyone inside. Inside. He tells Susan Atkins to leave a sign,

something witchy, something witchy. Have a nice day. Have a nice day. Have a good day. Have a nice day. Have a good day. I was a good day. It's like a 2020 interview and he's talking to a pretty sure it's Diane Sawyer. Probably.

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Like, I would tell you something witchy. And then he goes, have a good day. And it just makes no sense. Like, he told her to leave a sign, something witchy, have a good day. And it just makes no sense. Like totally nice. He told her to leave a sign, something which he have a good day. Well, the whole point of these murders, too, was Bobby was in jail now, for the lay.

Yes. And they were like, we need to get him out. Like, the girls came up with this, and they were like, this is brilliant. Let's commit murders that look like that Gary Hinman murder, so that they'll think that the murder is still out there. Hashtag drugs. So that's why murders that look like that Gary Henneman murder, so that they'll think that the murder is still out there. Hashtag drugs.

So that's why they were like, that's why they were like, right on the walls and shit, because we wrote on the walls at Gary's house. So that's why they like kept that going. We're just right on Hall of Walls. We're just right on walls. Well, and Terry Milter used to live up this house. Exactly. So it was like a, they picked that house specifically because of that but the reason they were like let's

right that mean part of it was to get that yeah. So he says leave us on blah blah blah. Um and Linda Cassabian is the getaway driver Patricia Crenwinkle's there too and Cassabian had only entered the family a month earlier by the way. So Patty's there too. Patty! Now there was five people actually on the tape property but there was only four that were actually in the house at this time. There was Wochek Freikowski who is one of Roman Polanski's childhood friends. His partner Abigail Folger was also sleeping in the house. Jay Sebr, who is the ex-boyfriend of Sharon Tate, and he was a famous Hollywood hair stylist, and those were the people in the house with Sharon Tate. She was also in the house at the time, obviously.

And then Steven Parent is another victim who was only 17 and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and was outside on the property. Poor Stephen Parent is leaving the Tate House as Tex is cutting the power line. And so he's cutting the power line, he just hopped the fence and then he hops back over because he sees lights coming away from the driveway headlights. And Stephen Parent, who was just trying to sell a radio a clock radio. Yeah, to the caretaker. To the caretaker. Who was there? Question Mark? He was because he lived in the guest house.

Like he lived in the caretakers residence. He says he didn't fucking hear anything. Yeah, I think maybe he was off the property a little bit. Terry Miltre used to live there, but now Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski lived there. Yes. And Sharon Tate was like a huge name. She was literally an 8-girl. And she was not even in like huge movies. She was just dropped in the middle. She was in the fucking that, the ed, the talking horse.

Oh, was she? Yeah. I didn't even know that. She was the girl. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, that's so crazy. She was also in like, I have the devil in the fearless vampire killers. Yeah, and like people loved her Like like everyone knew who Sharon Tate was

Directed Rosemary's baby, so and she was only 26 years old and eight months pregnant and eight and a half months pregnant With Roman Polanski's job, but okay, so Roman Polanski is away in Europe or something. Yeah along those He's out of the country. Yeah, he's not there. And he was, he said that like that's not being there that night was the biggest regret of his life. That makes my heart hurt really badly. I mean, he's kind of nasty. But at the time, he was not the podcast.

So maybe this changed. Yeah, he knows. Okay, so, text Watson is cutting the power line and Stephen parent is leaving the Tate House Because he was trying to sell a clock radio to 17 and he was trying to sell a clock radio to the caretaker the caretaker didn't want the clock radio Yeah, I don't even think it's so much fun. So he was there for like no reason at all. Yeah, it was like 2 15 in the morning when he left. Yeah, also like Why didn't you try to sell it earlier in the day poor thing? Well, I think he went there earlier and they hung around and like chatted

Oh Because they said like he hung out for a little while So he was just literally in the wrong place at the wrong time Literally and had no connection to Sharon Tate. No connection whatsoever Okay, so he was met by Tex in the driveway and he begged for his life He said I will like leave. I won't tell anybody that I saw you here. Like just let me live. Please let me live. So he died like begging for his life and was shot four times at point blank range and he

his hand was right in the face. His hand was also slashed by a knife. Probably a defensive wound. Absolutely. Trying to get a layer. It's a poor thing. I know. So they, text walks into the house, they like cut the screen and they break in through an open window I think. Yeah. Which, okay, okay. Lock your windows everybody. It was like a wicked beautiful summer night. I know it is. Where are windows are open right now? Oh, but I'm not leaving them open when I go to sleep. You better believe. Do you want to hear if I'm sorry? I'm really, really fast.

Do you want to open windows everybody? Because you know what? Fresh air is for dead people. Okay. Wow, that was, it's true. Yeah. Fresh air gets you dead. And yeah, you know, just put on an air conditioner.

A few weeks ago, me and Annie were in her house, like all alone. And we closed all the windows and locked them. And then we went to go sit on the porch, but I don't know why we had done the closed all the windows first. I think it was like the night before or something. Yeah.

And then we went to sit on the porch and the door locked behind us, so we couldn't get back in. And we had to call the fire department. We saved our lives. We saved our lives. Yeah. So maybe don't lock all your windows.

Just leave one open. No. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Fire department is always there if you get locked in your house. Well, I'm just like at night saying your house. Yeah. We were still in the house.

We were just in the sun room. When you're going to sleep, lock all your windows indoors. That's all I'm saying. I stand by that. Because all these people are asleep. I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying that's a very, I'm not saying it.

It's a nice precaution and something that we've learned from this shit. That if you go to sleep, lock all your windows indoors. It goes... It has to be an easy in. They like walk up to the house and text, I forget which girl he was whispering to. But he's whispering to one of the girls and Wochek wakes up to text like over his face with a gun in his face. And he's like, Wochek is like, who are you? And that's when text says to him, I'm the devil,

and I'm here to do the devil's work. Which can you imagine, Waking, because he was on the couch just sleeping on couch. He was taking, like, it's the middle of the night, he's sleeping. Like, it's 2.15 in the morning, like somewhere around there. And it's like, someone just puts a gun in your face.

And you're like, uh, what? And they just had a devil in here to do the devil's work. Aw, so cool. Like, lad, is this a nightmare the fun awesome So the family gets everyone into one room I'm sharing Tate and Jay see bring were in one room like just chatting because they were They were like good friends. They had dated at one point, but they were just talking They were up in bed talking and then Abigail Folger was reading a book in bed and Abigail Folger is the Harris to the Folger like coffee like

like a see Like whatever though when she was the partner to Wo check yeah Wo check in and Abigail were dating. Yeah Okay, think about that the next time you brew some folders. Yeah. They go here just like say a quick prayer. Pour one out. Oh, just like pour like a coffee. Pour one out. Pour some of your beans out. Pour some of your ground. She's probably like fucking guys. I know she's like you as a rassles. A little man. Man Abby. We just doubled. Okay, so there they get them into one room and they're trying to get them to lay down on the floor and they're like tying them together. And JC bring gets really pissed off because he's super protective over Sharon Tate And

Well, and also because she's fucking eight and a half months pregnant eight and they have like she's about to have everybody Yeah, like in a couple weeks and they're screaming at this woman to lay down on the floor and like you can't lay down If you've ever been eight months pregnant, you know that to lay down on the floor. And like, you can't lay down when you're up. If you've ever been even half one's pregnant, you know that breathing is hard enough, laying down on the floor is just not an option. It's just not going to happen.

I mean, I don't personally know that, but I can imagine. Yeah, it's, ugh. So he gets wicked pissed off, and he's like, just trying to protect her and be like, yo, she's literally super pregnant. She can't do this. He's like, just let her sit.

Yeah, it's literally, she can't lay down. Right. This like stresses me out This makes me angry. I know so a scuffle ends up like breaking out between J and text So text Watson and JC bring start fighting because text is an asshole And the especially have that written down assholes and huge letters. Oh my god amazing So basically he died JC bring dies protecting Sharon Tate. He had stabbed and shot to death by text like because he defended her right and actually and I don't think Did he die at this point?

From what I read. Yes, oh man And he was 35 years old That's awful. So then as this then as this scuffle kind of breaks out, Freikowski and Folger make a run for it, or make a break for it, excuse me, after they free themselves of their ties and they run to the lawn. Tex catches up with Freikowski,

whose legs had been stabbed multiple times by Susan Atkins. Tex beats him over the head with a gun multiple times, stabs him repeatedly and shoots him twice. As this is going on, Crenwinkle runs after Folger, stabs her, eventually tackles her to the ground, and Crenwinkle says while she was stabbing her over and over again, that Abigail Folger looks up at her and says, like, I'm already dead. Yeah, she just kept saying, like, I'm already dead. I'm already dead. I'm already dead. Stop. Like, and you fucking stab somebody so many times, like she knows that she's gonna die.

Yeah. So text comes over because he thinks he's done with Fred Kowski and the two of them just start stabbing her together and she was stabbed 28 times. So Fred Kowski struggles across the lawn because he didn't die after text basically beat the shit out of him

and an attempt to save Folger because that's his girlfriend and he's finally murdered by texts and a final series of stabings. He was stabbed 51 times. Jesus, talk about overkill. So Sharon Tate is still inside. She's begging for her child's life because I mean, she's so close to having this baby. And she just says to them, like, let me have this my baby, and I'll be a hostage for you.

Just let me live long enough to give birth to this child. It's awful. She was stabbed 16 times by Susan Atkins and basically like her last words where she was crying out for her mother. That makes me. She was just going mother, mother, mother.

So sick. It's like so sick. It's awful. she was fucking pregnant you'd like how do you stab? And like literally that should be I don't know if it was but that should be two counts of murder in enough itself I really should I think now I don't know I know it like the Peterson Lacey Lacey that's I was like Lucy Lacey Peterson with the Lacey to get her's I was like Lucy. I can't believe I had Lacey Peterson with the Lacey Did he get charged for two? I he got charged for both super and Connor because they trade it Connor as a

Human cuz you cuz yes, there's another person so I think now that's changed. I don't think it was back That wasn't but I know now it's a thing. Yeah, and you know one little like side thing That's really fucked up when they were all outside attacking Freikowski He was like screaming at the top of his lungs and there was children Camping nearby holy shit from the West Lake School for girls. They were on a camping trip nearby They heard him die like they heard him They heard him die.

Like they heard him screaming. They heard text attacking him like yeah, and I bet they never went camping again Yeah, and while that was going on Linda Cassabie and the one who was the getaway driver She was keeping watch in the one who only joined a month earlier. Yeah, she was actually saying to them Like telling them to stop like screaming at them to stop stabbing at him. Yeah, and Atkins just looked at her and said it's too late and walked back in the house. Oh my god, Susan Atkins, and they say that, I mean all of these people are fucking crazy, but they say that Susan Atkins was like legitimately like fucking nuts. Like, yeah, just like dark side of the moon, you would have to be. She also tried to tell them that someone was coming and they didn't believe her.

Oh really? Yeah, and she was trying to basically stop it. Also, Susan Atkins said after stabbing or during the stabbing of Sharon Tate that she felt nothing. Oh, I heard that too. And I watched it today. She goes, I felt nothing. Yeah, you're stabbing a pregnant woman who's begging for her life and don't feel her mother.

And also, again, she was 26 years old. That's young. Oh, and Susan Atkins had just had a baby. Like a maybe a few months or there. Or like a couple, like she had just had a kid. Oh, that makes me sick. Yeah, so you were just pregnant and got to have your kid, but you're gonna kill somebody else and they're unborn child. That's like dude, I don't know. And feel nothing about it. That should me sick. Yeah, so you were just pregnant and got to have your kid But you're gonna kill somebody else and they're unborn child dude. I don't feel nothing about it

That should change you because so for her not to even think of that is like it just shows how fucked up and apart She is beyond so she says she felt nothing and upon leaving the scene she picks up a towel Which had previously been used to bind that was actually cren actually Crenwinkle. Crenwinkle to this? Oh, okay. So Crenwinkle picks up a towel which had previously been used to bind the hands of the victims and she wrote pig on the front door, like an all-capital audience. And they actually, they were going originally because they had tied, Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring and Folger together with a rope and then they slung the other one over a

rafter and like when they'd killed Jay after they killed Jay they like text like pulled on the rope to make them stand up Folger in a in a tape and that's when he like went after all of them but he Charlie had originally said hang someone like hang I didn't know that and he said make it look like a Reverse lynching so that it looks like the black panthers did it are hanging away are hanging white people and then the Police will think it's the black panther like it'll be another thing to make it happen Well, and so they originally were going to hang all the victims afterwards But they literally said everything was too messy and we were tired.

Fucking hippies, man. And Charlie was pissed too. Like don't send a hippie to do any job. Because they were like, we were tired. Like we spoke too much. Like it was messy, we were tired. We didn't feel like hanging them. Wow. Like cool. And Tate was found almost naked. And one of her breasts had been cut off, and it was from, as- Because they stabbed her some- Resulting from stabbing so indiscriminately and so savagely that they had severed off one of her breasts.

Holy shit. Yeah. And there was an X on her stomach, carved in her stomach. Like, fuck you guys. Like, so not only did they kill a pregnant woman, but then they literally put an X on her stomach. Where her baby was. And Charles Manson said he didn't feel any compassion for the victims when he heard what happened

afterwards. And that he was more pissed that they brought like less than a hundred bucks back from that. And Charlie actually went back that next day and wiped down the crime scene. Oh! Or like a couple hours later, he went down, he went to the tape residence,

went back in there where all the bodies were, and wiped down the stuff of like evidence. Wow. Yeah. And he left an old pair of glasses there to try to like fuck up the police, which I guess it kind of worked, because they like started going towards that, the glasses. Yeah.

Well, they found, he also... Fingerprints later on. Well, that's, so clearly... He didn't do a great job. He didn't do a great job. A criminal mastermind here, because Charlie's not the best custodian. Even though Destiny kind of looked like he could be like a crazy fucking custodian. It does look like he could be a great...

I was like, have a good day. Have a good day, kids. Do something which you can have a good day. Have a good day, kids. Do something which you can have a good day. The housekeeper, whenever a chapman showed up for work at the Tate House in the morning, and she was the one that discovered the bodies. I'm fucking kidding, Mary. I wrote in parentheses, poor sweet angel.

Seriously. So if that wasn't enough excitement for one night, the next fucking night, August 9, 1969, the family members drove to 3301 Waverly Drive in Los Felos. Manson accompanied them this time because he was really displeased with the chaos that ensued the night before and he was gonna show them how it was done. Oh yeah. So this was the home of, is it Lino? Lino. Lino. Lino and Rosemary La Bianca. He was like a supermarket executive.

And she was a dress maker. She had a dress making shop. I don't know, so. And the home that they lived in was next door to a party that the Manson family had attended the year previous. So Manson and Tex went up to the house through an unlocked back door. Please lock your doors.

Guys, guys. But you know what? It was the fucking 60s and you didn't think about that shit then. No, but you know what? It sucks. Think about it now. Yeah, fucking now you know. Again, I say, fresh air is for dead people.

Yeah, so that's a good trick. Remember that. Um, Manson woke up a sleeping Lino. Lino. Lino. Why do I stop? Well, woke up a sleeping Lino from Lino. Lino, why do I stuff? Well woke up a sleeping Lino from the couch holding him at gunpoint and he had

Watson bind his hands. Rosemary was then brought into the living room and Watson covered the couple's head with pillowcases and then tied the pillowcases around their neck with a lamp cord I I believe. Yeah, and actually, Manson went back to get Rose married to bring her out, and he just whipped the covers off of her and said, wake up lady, you got company. Which makes perfect fucking sense for Manson. Right. And then he lapsed into half a good time.

Well, and they were also, I think, at the tape murders, at some point, like in the very beginning, texts said to all of the people, all the victims. You got company? Like, no, he said like you have to die first tonight. Like, he basically told them like we're gonna kill you. Because when they originally went in there, they were like, where's just getting your money,

blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, he was like, we're gonna kill you. And that's when they all freaked out. Instead of fighting and running. Right. And it was bananas. So Charlie was like, when we go into this fucking house,

no one fucking say that you're gonna die. Like like don't tell them because then they're gonna freak out So this whole time he was telling Leno we just want money right and Leno gave them money out of his wallet And she gave the she gave them $70 out of her purse That's what I'm right so I also said if you take me to my store I will give you a shit ton of money like I'll give you all the money you want you take me to my store, I will give you a shit ton of money Like I'll give you all the money you want just take me to this store. So it's like dudes you could have just just just robbed them like fuck Like it just pissed me off. I was like I'm not sure and Tate had

We had money in the house. What's funny? These people they left no idea that they were in Sharon Tate's house They didn't know because they were living on fucking spawn. No, None of them knew that it was Sharon Tate until they watched the news reports the next day. Oh my god. So they had no idea. They came back from that tape murder with less than a hundred bucks. Right, and they could have easily had. And it's Charlie's Pits. Yeah. Okay, so he says, wait a couple of you got company, which is just perfect for Manson. So she was brought into the living room, the pillowcases, and then they tied the pillowcases around their heads with a lamp cord. Manson then left and instructed Cren Winkle and Leslie Van how in to go inside and kill the couple. And it was because

he was a big giant baby. And he was originally going to get his like, he was originally gonna get us like he was gonna get in there and do it and then he couldn't be part of this and then he was like I can't do it because these people are just sitting there complying with us right these poor people are just being like take what you want which unlike does Charlie have someone in the heart well he's not I mean he's not as evil on that plane level because it's like he looked at two people that will he at least have some slight bit of empathy because he looked at these people not fighting back and just complying with them and being like take my money and he couldn't do it and he couldn't kill them but then he was like my family members are fucking nuts yeah he was like let's go get Wesley then how'd an empatti

kren win go and you guys go do it yeah three, so he tells him to kill a couple. Um, text begins stabbing, um, Lena. Lena. Lena. Block. What's his last name? Lobby Anca. Okay, so he starts stabbing Mr. Lobby Anca with a chrome plated bayonet, which I'm gonna ask you is a bayonet a gun? It's like that gun with like the big sharp thing. Like poker? Yeah. Okay. Whoa. At least I think that's what it is. The first thrust went into his throat. After stabbing Mr. Labyanda,

text her to scuffle in the bedroom where Rosemary had returned to. So she somehow got back into the throat. I think it was Charlie, if I remember correctly, brought her back into the room because he thought it would piss Leno off and get him fighting. But the need didn't. They were still complying.

They were just trying to comply. So that's when he left, got Leslie and he was a baddie and we're like you go in there so they went into the bedroom where Rosemary was. Okay. So, Tex heard a scuffle and he went in there probably because he didn't want this getting chaotic because Charlie was gonna get pissed again. And there was a scuffle because she heard her husband dying. Right. So she started fighting like a mother fucker. Oh yeah, she took the lamp that was around her neck and started just like swinging at them to keep them up and like get the fuck away for me.

Good for her man. Like she fought. And Leslie said that she just cut Leslie Van Houghton. Fuck her man. She said that she kept just saying please be still to her. Oh my god. Like that no that's what she was saying to Rosemary. Oh I thought Rosemary was saying that to her.

No this woman is literally fighting because she's hearing the love of her life dying in the other room and she's fighting her ass off and Leslie then Houten is like and then I just told her please be still. Like fuck you Leslie. Like as if I'm gonna be like, okay, literally random bitch in my house. Like you're telling, you're literally sitting here being like, please be still, as unless she's a friend. I don't know if she said that.

She was probably trying to be like, I have to gentle. I hate Leslie being a house in the house. I was not going to have any queen and I was gentle. I don't know why, she pisses me, maybe it's because she thinks she deserves to get out of jail. Yeah. Like the other ones are at least like, yeah.

We deserve pretty dead. But she's like, I'm different than what I want. And I'm like, no, you're not. It's too rich. Um, so she was trying to keep them at bay and she kept swinging the lamp. That was, I think it was still tied around her neck. Probably. And she was just trying to get them away from her. Text stabbed her with bayonet and then returned to the living room where he continued attacking Mr. Labyanka.

He'd been stabbed a total of 12 times, and his body was then mutilated by... I read text, and then I also read Susan Atkins, who carved war into his exposed abdomen. Yeah, I read it was text that carved war. Oh, excuse me. So Susan Atkins later said that it was Crunwinkle who did this, but I believe

Tex owned up to it. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, Tex, I believe said he did it. So Susan Hackens is just being crazy. Yeah, she's just fucked. Tex returns to the bedroom where he finds Crenwinkle stabbing Rosemary with a knife that she took from the kitchen. And Manson had instructed Tex that both women

needed to play a part. Like they were both there. They only murdered Manson. instructed texts that both women needed to play a part. They were both there. They only murdered Manson. So texts instructed Leslie Van Halen to participate. Van Halen later said that La Bianca was already dead when she participated. And the autopsy's do show that many of the 41 stab wounds were post mortem.

That's in a, see, I think she's a bullshitter. Oh, I do too. I don't think she was already dead But they said that when Patricia Because Patricia did the first stab for Rosemary and stab her in the back and she severed her spine. Oh my god So she's paralyzed so she wasn't moving. So sure she thought she was maybe she thought she was dead But it was just that she wasn't the Leslie also said at first. She didn't want a stabber But then the more she did it, the more fun she liked it.

She was having fun with it. And she said, I was obsessed with the knife. Once it went in, it just kept going in and in and in. Like, yeah, that's what happened. But definitely, you still have to ask. But yeah, you think that you're good enough to... Oh, I can't. And I actually have a clip of Leslie Van Houten talking about the murder real quick. Oh damn, so we're gonna play that real quick. Pat and I took Mrs. Lobby on the end of the bedroom.

And um, was she screaming? Not at that point. Mostly what's going on, what are you going to do? And um, I tried to hold Mrs. Lobby on her down, and her head was covered with a pillowcase. I don't know if I did that I could have. And she heard her husband dying and living in her. Who killed him?

Tex. She's ever in the group. Yes. And when she heard, she struggled. And Pat went to stab her in the knife bent, and she was yelling out for her husband. And by that time, I was very torn inside. I felt that I needed to really almost be a good soldier in this mission that had to be

done, and I was not. Also saying, why am I here? Or did you not question why? I don't even know if I could have put that together. I wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. I wish she could. How was she killed eventually? She was stabbed.

I went in there called text, and I said that we weren't able to kill her. And then text went in the bedroom, and Pat went into the living room and I went and I stood in the hallway and then text turned me around and he handed me a knife and he said do something and so I went in and this is Lava Uncle was laying on the floor and I stabbed him. And Laura?

And Laura back around 16 times. So, okay Leslie. Yeah, but she's right. We're on Jail. Yeah, for abs. Bye. Sir Tex is cleaning off the bayonet and fucking showers in their house. He took a fucking shower.

Of course he did. Like, you're not company bro. You're a good intruder. And, Crenwinkle wrote on the wall, RISE, DEATH TO PIGS, and she wrote not Helter's Sculpture. She wrote Heelter's Sculpture, a Sculpture on the refrigerator door. How many times did she probably see

that phrase written down? I just think it goes to show that these people are very dumb. And it's like, you could get it right when you needed to get it right. Heelter's Sculpture. Well, to get it right. Heal to center. Well, and she's probably wicked fucked up on drugs. Well, you know they also left a knife stuck in Linos throat. Yup, because she then gave Lobbyanka, Mr. Lobbyanka,

14 more puncture ruins with a carving fork, and she left that jutting out of his stomach, and then she also planted a steak knife in his throat. Jesus Christ. So while all that was ensuing, Mance and left. Like he didn't just like wait outside, he legitimately pieced the fuck out. I think he literally told them when they were leaving.

He was like, yeah, just like get a ride back. Yeah, he told them to hitchhike home. And I wrote in parentheses, what a guy. Yeah, what a guy. The lobbyoncocene was discovered on August 10th, around 10.30 p.m., which was discovered on August 10th, around 10.30 pm, which was 19 hours after the crime had been committed. Rosemary had a 15-year-old son from a previous marriage.

His name was Frank Struthers, I think is how he say it, and he'd returned home after a camping trip. And he was disturbed by the fact that the shades were still drawn and then I wrote in some other shit because something like a boat was still attached to his stepdad's car, which was off, I guess. So we called his sister and her boyfriend and the boyfriend who's Joe Dorgan, a company in Frank, into the house where they discovered Mr. Lobbyanka, but luckily they didn't find the mom. They just like call the police.

But the LAPD didn't really know how to do their job apparently. No. And they announced to the press on August 12th that there was no connection. Yeah, they'd like officially said there's no connection. Which are you kidding? Which are you kidding? So that's what I have for the lobby on comraders. So why don't you start with the aftermath because I don't have a ton about it. And I feel like you're better at the investigation and trial.

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LAPD. Like they didn't- These aren't like- It was like in this time period the LAPD was like, what's our job though? Like it was like, so they didn't connect them of course. This was to be fair. This was before serial killers were known to be a thing. So people didn't automatically connect things. And be like, this must be the same person. But if you have three different cases where there's weird writing

and blood on the walls. You think it's two days apart from each other? Yeah. The same, like crazy writing on the walls and shit. I don't know. After the LAPD is like, yeah, we don't see anything. Even kind of. They're not like this. They're not linked and everybody's like probably though. The ranch was rated for the first time. Yeah. And it was rated not for the murders for auto theft.

For the family stealing VWs and turning them into dunebuggies. Which is such a fucking hippie thing to do. Which is so hippie. Everything is so hippie. Well, in those dunebuggies were what they were using to build their underground city in the Bommel's pit. Oh yeah. Yeah. They got the-

So when they got the alibi though. But when they got there, they were like, this is weird. That a bunch of people are just like, all these car news. Oh yeah, all these car news. On this weird place. So the charges for that, they were like, this is weird. But like a bunch of people are just like, all these calm, weird places. So the charges for that, the technicality that they got off on was that they wrote the wrong date on the search warrant. So good job.

So like, go LAPD. So, oh, they also seized a bunch of weapons too. They found like a ton of weapons on the ranch. Yes. And they were like, interesting question mark. And that's, so when they were raided, Charlie was like so someone snitching, but he was like a campy any my family members because they're such upstanding citizens that there's no way that these amazing group of men

and women would ever turn their back on me. However, so there was a man named Donald Shorty Che, So there was a man named Donald Shorty Che, Same Z's. And he was a stunt man that was working on spawn ranch. He like took care of the horses. Okay. Charlie and him did not like each other to be him with. And Charlie was like, it's that guy. Like he's snitching. I know it. Even though like who the hell even knows if this guy knew. So they figured Charlie was like, you know what, we gotta take care of him. So this is when Charlie actually did have involvement.

Oh yeah, yeah. He doesn't admit to it. He says he still didn't have any. He said he was there. He just said he didn't do it. So this was about 20 days after the murder has occurred. It was on August, around August 28th, 1969. So it was Charlie, Tex,

guy named Bruce Davis, Steve Grogon, Bill Vance, and Larry Bailey, who are all family members. They took Shae for a ride. Right in the middle of the ride. Grogon struck him with a pipe wrench from the back seat and Tex started stabbing him in the car. Like I don't know where. So they took him behind spawn ranch to like a hill area and they just stabbed him to death out there Charlie said he was there, but he didn't do anything like he was still just telling people what to do So he was like, yeah, I don't know, I'm doing anything His body wasn't found until December 1977

Oh! Rogan had to actually draw a map to his remains Because there was this rumor that he was cut into nine pieces Was he there? I don't know Wow I don't know if it's been substantiated. But so Charlie, like when he was living, when people would ask him about it, he was like, I don't want to be a snitch. So I'm not going to give you details about it. Like he wouldn't give them where his body was. He wouldn't give them anything because he was like, I don't want to be a snitch. Because he was fucking brought up in the prison system. Like, fuck off, man. Yeah, you're still an asshole.

So this is when he did this, this is when he had the family ready for war. Like he was like, it's happening. Whoa. And their minds, it was happening right now. So that's when the second raid happened on the ranch for auto theft and possession of stolen firearms. Charlie wasn't

there for that. Then there was another rate on August 12, 1969. Charlie was there. And he was arrested, correct? He hid. One in a where he hid. He was curled up in a tiny cabinet beneath a sink when they found him. And the reason they found him was because some of his hair was sticking out of it. And the police officers said that he never would have looked in there, because it was so teeny tiny. But his hair was sticking out. Charlie, it's fucking luscious locks.

I mean, they weren't so luscious to his feet. So fucking hippie. So hippie. I just hit the lamp. I'm sorry if you can hear that. But tink tink tink tink tink tink. So he got arrested. They all got to write like a bunch of them got arrested.

I relate to Charlie, because I feel like my hair would out Your hair would out. If you would get caught. Yeah, well and so they were all like the family was arrested for like firearms Possession like like basically traffic violations kind of thing like minorish Small-time crook things so they were so excited that they were arrested for that and that they were like We're gonna get out of here. Oh my god that they started singing all over the place like they were all just singing. But the shit that they were singing was fucked up. It was from the white album. So the police.

What if I'm not fucking morons? Because that's what they've been listening to. So they were just like we're just gonna sing this. So then the police were like, huh. You guys really like the Beatles. You like the Beatles. You heard a Helter Skeelter? Somebody wrote a Skeelter.

Skeelter? Skeelter. Which I'm gonna go on a limb and say they meant to write Helter Skelter. Yeah. So somehow, somehow this connected back to the Biker gangs that they were selling. Yeah, that's too. I got confused there, but I knew that. It got a little bit complicated. Because the Biker gangs were still pissed at the family. Exactly. And the biker gangs said that this, that Charlie was trying to hire them as bodyguards when like he started coming on them.

Right. And while he was doing this, he was alluding to the idea that they were involved in these murders. He never came out and said it, but that's what he definitely alluding into it. So of course, everything's starting to come in. They're all like, hmm, this is all starting to connect. And then fucking Susan Atkins,

Brad to her cellmate that she was part of the murders. Which of course, it all comes down to fucking crazy, too. So that's when it all fucking crumbled. Like they were just like, well, cool, Sue. Also, why is that like a brag? Because she's a fucking officer. Yeah, like girls. She probably just wanted to start running shit.

And she was like, let me tell you what I did. Yeah. I killed a defenseless pregnant woman who begged for her mother. Like, cool. You're a super badass, Susan. Ugh. Fuck off. I think she's dead.

I want to check that. I'll Google it. Because I want to like be like, fuck you, Susan. You keep talking and I'll Google it. Yeah, fuck Susan. So, December 1st, 1969, texts, Crenwinkle, and Cassabia, and we're picked up.

And because like fingerprints were found at the Tate Residence, because Charlie didn't know some job cleaning up, they also found the clothes and knives and the revolver that they use that night, because they just tossed that shit out the window that night. Like they just tossed them into a field. So it's like a job job. Side note Susan Atkins died of a brain tumor. How? I thought she did. How about that? Bye. So it was June 15th 1970 was the first day that Charlie

went to court. Right now they had Texcrenwinkle and so they had Tex Crenwinkel, Susan Atkins, they had Cassabian and they also picked up Leslie Van Houten who was part of the lobby uncle workers. Murderers. Lobby uncle. Murderers. She was part of the lobby uncle. So She was part of a lobby on the mic. Say I'm a moton! lobby on the murder side Who that beat? Yeah Whoa Moving on So So this is Linda Cassavian, the one that had only joined a month before the tape murders

and was the driver and was trying to tell them to stop it allegedly But she still didn't have a total partner, like physically. She flipped. Like flipped on Charlie. Like boom, I've only been a part of this month. Fuck you guys. I don't want to go down for this. Right.

So she became the prosecution's main witness, like star witness, because she was fucking right there. She flipped and got immunity because of this. So which I don't really know if she should have gotten immunity. I mean, I don't know what they had to do. They had to do. They got a lot of info for her. So, Manson, Atkins, Crenwinkle, and Ben Houghton were all on one, like their trial. They all happening. And then Tex had a separate trial. Okay. They were all up on seven counts of murder. Okay. They were all up on seven counts of murder

and one count of conspiracy. Okay. Manson wanted to act as his own attorney, ala Bundi. Wolf. Bundi definitely like did a better job. He did. Manson don't ever try to act as your own anything.

Exactly. And so he was so bananas like Kuku not man. That they were like, yeah, you can't do that. Like they just said no. Like they were like, we can't let That's a good thing. They were like, yeah, you can't do that. Like they just said no. Like they were like, we can't let you urin sane. Like you're not clinically insane, but you're insane. Well the court remodeled just been like a fucking crazy, you would have been insane. And so they were like, no.

So because of this, he showed up on the first day of trial with an ex carved into his forehead because they didn't let him be an attorney. So he exed himself out. That's what he said. Like this was him ex in himself out of society Because the man cut him down so that at that point all the family members showed up with x is carved into their own foreheads Including not just the other defendants like all the out family fan howton and walkins and all them People they parts members of the family were gathered outside of the

courthouse, like protesting him being a crime. Well, they were kneeling. They said they were gonna kneel outside the courthouse until he was acquitted. And they would show up. So they showed up with the X's on their forehead. Singing songs. Singing his songs. They're all like, you know, doing whatever. Do you think they believed, like the other members who weren't there? Do you think they believed that they didn't do it? I think what they were saying, I think, was that he didn't have anything to do with it,

and that he should be free because he's like a guru. Okay. And he's a love bug from, sent from above. Basically. A love bug, so I love that. I think that's not a quote, but I don't think so, but it should have been said. Someone should have said it. I wouldn't like, that would not a quote, but I don't think so. I'm sure one of them would have said it. Someone should have said it. I wouldn't like, that wouldn't be a place.

He's so upset from above. Yeah. Flowers. Filter, skilter. Filter, skilter. Filter, swelter, because I'm sweating my ass. Oh, I know. Helter, swelter.

So it was some of the people that were sitting outside were like names that people might know are Sandra Good and Squeaky From. Squeaky From was a big one out there. For me, I'll play a quick little clip of her telling them why. Like why? Charlie's where it's at and why he didn't do anything and we need to just love him. Squeaks.

So here you go, Squeaks. He's once in a lifetime soul. He's a spirit. He's got a lot of spirit. He's got more heart and spirit than anyone I've ever met. And he's truthful. Or I definitely went after him. When I saw that he wasn't pushing, and that he had spirit,

and that he understood me. I went. To this day from insist Manson is innocent. She says during the Tate Lobby Uncle murder she was at the spawn ranch with other family members. She doesn't recall where Manson was but claims he didn't kill anyone. I know he didn't. I have no question about that. He's definitely should be out. He didn't kill anybody. And I would take responsibility for that. I would rather be in because I know I laid a lot of my thinking in his mind. So yeah, so that's okay, Squeaky. So Squeaky had no nothing to do with the murders. So she just kind was like, oh, I'm just squeaky from.

But she got a great name on it. She really did. She really did. Even though it came from a nasty ass place. But it's cute. And she was cute. Yeah, she was. Unfortunately.

Well, she didn't do that. She's out now, I think. Like she was sentenced to life in prison, but I think she's out. Wait, did she go? Did she? She went to prison for pulling the gun on Ford. Oh, right, right, okay.

Okay, okay. She was supposed to go for life. I think she's out now though. She didn't go for this because she had nothing to do with it. Okay, I was just confused. But I was like, wait, did I miss a huge part of this? Well, then family members started threatening people, like former family members to keep them from testifying.

So because they didn't want Charlie to get put in jail that was their main focus was getting Charlie out of here right and everything like like all the interviews they would give with people because people like fascinated by this because they're awesome and it was they would be like Charlie didn't do it and he's gonna get out and not like I'm waiting for him to come out like we're gonna sit here until he comes out because he's coming out. But he did it. Sorry, ladies. He did that.

He did that. You think they ever got over it? So, I don't think so. Wolf, I don't think so. So October 5th, Manson was denied the opportunity to question the prosecution's witness. So his response was to jump over the defense table at the judge.

Oh, you know, that's a great idea. Like, crazy. Like, he like p table at the judge. Oh, you know, that's a great idea. Like crazy. Like he like pounced at the judge. Good. So the judge was keeping a gun under his robes at this point. Because he was like this guy to shoot a man. And he was like, So at this point when this happened, all the girls, like the family members,

stood up and were chanting and letting. Like in the courtroom. Scary. Like what the fuck? Yeah, like what cuz they were still on that fucking Beladona ride They were driving a fucking Donna ride floating through the clouds on a

On a fog of belladona I don't ever want to do that. There's some things that I would like maybe do but Bella Donna is now one of them You're not doing Bella Donna Because no, I don't want it. I don't want a Bella Donna. I'm good. Alana so November 16th the prosecution rested and three days later the defense rested because it were like, you know what? We just need to rest. Let's just go January 25th 1971 Guilty verdict against Charles atkins, Crenwinkel, and

Ben Houten. Again, text was tried separately, but he was obviously found guilty as well. So after they found out that he was guilty, he shaved his head immediately at the next day, and then all of them said, I'm the devil and the devil always has a bald head. Like, it doesy, like cool. I mean, I guess. Charlie, what is your reasoning? Where did your reasoning skills come in? Yeah, and so all the other members,

literally all of them shaved their heads too. Like, all the girls outside. Oh yeah. All with shaved heads and X's carved into their forehead. They looked wild. And there is a lot, like, I'm gonna play a quick clip just so I can like really press what dicks these girls are that were on to,

because they all look like super nice grandma's now, but fuck them, because they're evil monsters who literally killed a pregnant woman and like fuck you. So these girls would come, because they have a lot of like footage of them walking down the hallway towards the courtroom, because they were always holding hands. And every day they would show up with the next on the forehead of their headshamed or like the same outfit on like they were a circus. And here's a quick

clip of them just jauntily singing as they go to their murder trial. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. We are the three of us. get the fuck out of here.

And then Leslie's sitting there now being like, I should be let out. Really? You're fucking 68, you can sit there for a while more. So they were all sentenced to die, all of them. But then the death penalty be those like, you know, a moratorium on it's in California. So less than a year later, it was commuted to life in prison for all of them. Which is better.

It is because now they can, and honestly, it is better because now we get to watch these people go through problems for their kids. Just like other people beg for their lives. And you didn't give them their lives. So why would we give you your freedom? Exactly. Fuck Tards. so basically everybody knows after that Charlie, you know, just went for an effort. Just wanted to watch. He had several ladies want to marry him in prison, which

seriously ladies. Yeah, the latest one was like star, I think her nails. Yeah. But then he found out that she just wanted to take his corpse after he died and like travel around with it. Did she really? Yeah, she like literally did. Like that was her plan. It was after he died. She was going to like travel around with his body.

Like she wanted to get him to sign over his bodies. Like, right. So that she was like, yeah, that cheer cream. And he was like, maybe. And he was like, I know it using my shit to like get like for like a freak show. Yeah. Because he was like, no. He's like, my whole life was like,. I know it using my shit to like get like for like a freak show. Yeah. Because he was like now. He's like my whole life was like no way.

What's a damn dud. I mean at least he had that. So uh, and obviously he died last year. So. All right, NP. Not peace. Woo. You're that.

Yeah. You heard it. Hey, first. And just as like a little thing that this is the thing I wanted to mention. Woo! Fear that? Yeah! You heard it, hey, a fuss. And just as like a little thing, this is the thing I wanted to mention. Can I say what's written in all capital letters? Yes. In your notes.

Sharon Tates Mama was a fierce lady. That's literally what it says in all capital letters in my note. Oh, that's weird that her mom's name was Doris Dora's Day. I know. I think that's like a big name in the time. Yeah, but so her name was Doris Tate, Sharon Tate's mama. Oh, her sister's a fiercely her two. Her sister is carried on this legacy, which go them, man.

Good job on the Tate family. Because I would have been completely destroyed. And Doris Tate, her mama, she helped get the victims' bill of rights passed, which allows for victim impact statements, passed in California in 1982. So she's the one that allowed like victim impact statements to be run, impact, like an actual impact on the case. So all 50 states now allow victims to speak either written or orally at certain phases of the legal process. And that's according to the National Center for Victims of Crime. She later founded the Coalition on Victims Equal Rights and worked literally the rest of her life towards victims rights.

Wow. Because of this. In 1992, right before her death that year, at age 68. Oh my gosh, that's an early death. Yeah. Which I mean, she probably was going to say. President George H. W. Bush Honored her as one of his thousand points of light

Which is a big deal. Yeah So she said so this is just a quote from her she said you can't make sense out of the innocent slaughter of Sharon and the other Victims the most that I or any person touched my violence can hope for is acceptance of the pain. You never forget it, not even with the passage of time. But if in my work I can help transform Sharon's legacy from murder victim to assemble for victims rights, I will have accomplished what I set out to do. Oh my gosh. And she's also, she went to all the parole hearings and she would literally look at these people when they would be like, you know, like, I think I should be let out because I have, like, changed and I'm a model behavior and like, they'd like beg for their thing.

And she would literally sit there in front of them and be like, did you give my fucking daughter, Mercy, when she was begging for her life? Like, she would literally sit there and be like, really fuck her? Like, good. She would not let these people sit there and try to get sympathy. She was like you does and she would say you deserve nothing. Like you don't deserve anything. I don't care if you're gonna sit there and pretend that Charlie brainwashed you and that you didn't know what you were doing like fuck off. You did it. You did it. And like good for her. Because she's and now that her sister keeping, because she's gone to everyone of Leslie Van Houten's Pearl hearings.

And as you know, just decide, note that she'll, like sometimes she'll go to, like, visit her sister's grave, obviously. And it's like, there's still people that fall, like, our Mansons followers, but I'm cool. And they left, like, a jar of broken glass that Sharon Tates grave and then jumped out at her and started, like, yelling at her. What? Yeah, isn't it so fucked up? Seriously, like, what kind of, I don't get it, man. glass that Sharon Tates grave and then jumped out at her and started yelling at her. What? Isn't that so fucked up? Seriously, what kind of... I don't get it, man.

Like I don't get it. I don't understand. In a sent person. Like totally in a sent person. They just don't give a fuck. They suck, man. So we done did it. So there's Charlie Manson.

That was my first kiss I covered. Yeah, you did so good. And you did that end, though. So there's Charlie Manson. That was my first kiss I got first. Yeah, you did so good. And you did that end though. But that's okay. Yeah, then got boring. So I was just like, I think I got boring. No, I'm just kidding. It got kind of complicated, I think.

Yeah, I was just like, I don't know, Technicolubies by. Yeah, it's really just. I just know that I'm a hippie and I'm tired. Like I said, the meat and the potatoes were the murder. The mother or, you know. So yeah, that's Charlie Manson. And I think we don't have what we're gonna do next week because I'm still trying to decide, but it's not gonna be a heavy hitter. It's going to be something a little more obscure. Yeah, we want to do an obscure thing.

Because I know a lot of people dug that, uh, die out love pass. Well, episode we did about the, you know, the crazy dead Russian. Yeah. And the news and shit. Those are kind of fun. So I'm going to do one like that. I'm going to find one that's kind of obscure,

kind of like conspiracy theory is, I think. So we're going to, we'll announce it, because this is going to post in a couple days. But I'll announce it as soon as I know which So we're gonna, we'll announce it because this is gonna post in a couple days, but I'll announce it as soon as I know which one we're gonna do so that you guys can get super sucked for it. Super duper sucked. And I won't do basic as to research.

I'll do the most research. I'll do the most research. Like a notch above. I spent so much time researching this. It's true, I'm proud of you. Yeah, yeah. Today Annie's mom walked into the living room and she was like, what are you doing? And I was like watching a Charles man in the documentary. Hello. You know.

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