Morbid - Episode 81: The Boston Strangler(s) Part 3

Episode Date: July 18, 2019

It's Albert DeSalvo time, guys. In the conclusion to our dive into the Boston Strangler murder spree, we discuss Albert's childhood, his confessions and whether or not we think he did it at all. One big take away is that it was dark in there. Don't worry, you'll get it. Sources: The Boston Strangler by Gerold Frank https://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-strangler-case-solved-50-years/story?id=19640699 https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/dna-evidence-identified-in-boston-strangler-case.html See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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mark question mark parentheses Albert de Salvo something kind of bonkers, crazy bananas, Kuku-na-man happens. And it's not funny at all, I'm not laughing at this. But it happened in Yudekin, New York this weekend. And what happened was this beautiful 17 year old girl, named Bianca Devins, was brutally murdered. Like, brutally. Now, there's a ton of wrong information and conflicting information floating around everywhere

about it. So we're not gonna get too far into this yet. We don't wanna cover it yet because of all the conflicting information. But we will be covering this more in depth. I don't know if we're gonna do like a full length episode on it. Or many many. Many, maybe a bonus, I don't know.

So there's a lot of information saying that he was her boyfriend. He was not. It sounds like he was just obsessed with her. Yeah. Someone close to her family did describe him as a close family friend. Okay. And what happened was he, I don't, I don't want to say the wrong lead up to it. So I'm just gonna say what I know to a concert. I'm not

even gonna say that because I don't even, that's, I don't know, like, that's what I heard. But I don't, I feel bad perpetuating all this because I feel like the family's getting upset that like so many rumors are coming out. It must be so fucking difficult. So somehow they were together. They ended up in the same place. And he ended up murdering her brutally.

I mean, he cut her throat so deeply that he nearly decapitated her. Reports were going around that he did decapitate her. He did not. That is false. Okay. But what's really messed up is he posted the photos to his Instagram and they were shared a ton of times. Has his Instagram been taken down?

Yeah, it has now. And now people are trying to flood all of the hashtags like RIP Bianca and all that. They're trying to flood those hashtags that were sharing the photo. We'd like pictures of puppies and stuff, just like get rid of those. Because that's, I don't know. Sharing, sharing those photos bumps me out. I just think it's disrespectful.

Like I happen to see the photo and I honestly wasn't looking for it. Yeah. And I'm not honestly, I look for crime scene photos all the time. I'm not going to pretend I don't. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying like putting it out there

for people that don't want to see it. Yeah. And I never would share it. Because you have to think of the family, man. Yeah. It's not your. Yeah. Would you want someone sharing your like daughter

kind of sister, brother's photo of them dead? Yeah. And it was a brutal photo. I was going to say not even just like dead, like of like sister, brothers, photo of them dead. Yeah, and it was a brutal photo. I was gonna say not even just like dead, like murdered. Murdered, brutally murdered. And this guy, I believe his name is Brandon Andrew Collarck. He ended up slicing his own throat, trying to, yeah, he did not succeed. And no, he's in police custody.

And that's really all we know at this point. I'm glad that he did not succeed because I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Yeah, I am so glad. So yeah, we'll definitely be following that case. We'll let you guys know if we hear anything more and we will be covering it at some point. So without further ado, I think we should jump into part three of the Boston Strangler. Slash.

Stranglers. The final part, guys. The final count down. Of our hometown murder. Yeah. This is when we talk about that dude. That bra. That bra.

That man's. That dude you all know. Albert. Just salvo. That man. No, I'm just kidding. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just gonna keep dragging it out. The fuck up.

Get to the fucking case. So I hate your pants. I hate it. So when we last talked, which I know was a little further out than we planned because of this vocal fry that I have developed, we were like, let's put it off one night because no one's gonna want to listen to that. And then she woke up like this again today. And I was like, let's give it off one night because no one's gonna want to listen to that. And then she woke up like this again today.

And I was like, let's give the people what they want. Yeah. So I was like, I don't want to push this out too far, but sorry guys. Guys, don't get mad at her, please, because she's powering through right now with someone who I'm gonna ask to you next to her. I do. Alina is that bitch. I'm ready. I'm ready for this. That OG bitch. I'm ready. I'm ready for this. That OG bitch. So when we last talked to you,

the amazing detective Phil Dinehtali, who went, found the court records, found out that Albert DeSalvo was actually paroled during the strangler measures when we all thought he was in prison, that crazy like whoa moment at the end. He had just figured this out, and he had just found out that Albert DeSalvo

was being held at Bridgewater State Hospital for the Cremilian Sain. In 1965. So he had gotten his early release. The reason he didn't serve the full time for those measuring men times was he was able to convince the judge that he wasn't, he just wasn't a giant creepy weirdo anymore.

Oh. He was like, no, he's like, it's fine. Judge guy. Yeah. I grew out of that. He's like, it's fine. And he has this voice. And I'm not going to be able to do it because of this.

But it's just like really high pitched. If you played me a clip, like really quick, I could do it. Yeah, like he literally talks like this this but he's got a boss in accent So he's like yeah, so I went in the apartment and I saw a shelf on the left and then she turned around and I strangled The like she literally touched that you can all see Elena's face because I'm deeply fucking disturbed the face You just made while you did that because I'm deeply fucking disturbed at the face you just made while you did that. Because you can't get into it.

I'm disturbed. I am devoted to my craft. Okay. Actually, you're disturbed. I'm devoted. That's all. I'm devoted and disturbed. I put that all in the shirt.

Yes, devoted and disturbed. So let's talk about Albert DeSalvo. Shall we? Because if anybody was made to become a monster, Albert DeSalvo was made to become a monster. This is gonna bum me out times a million. Yeah, so this is a bummer. He was born on September 3rd, 1931,

in Chelsea, Massachusetts. Oh, shit. He was one of five, and his father, who was a fisherman, was a wife and child beating alcoholic piece of sadistic garbage. Nominal. Off to a great start. You know, we're doing nothing crazy so far.

Totally not. He was so vicious. In fact, that he was said to have knocked out all of his wife's teeth. Oh my God. And bent her fingers back until they broke in front of their children. And when I say bent his fingers back, he knocked her teeth out, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. And then one by one broke off

ten of her fingers. I just went into paralysis mode. He also made his children line up to watch this. Literally, like, was like, line up while I beat the shit out of your wife. You're not there. What happened to you, dude? He's a true demon. Who hurt you? True demon. What the fuck?

He's also his father also made he and his siblings and his wife watch as he would bring home sex workers and have sex with them in front of everybody in the family. And he also would abuse sex workers. So by the time Albert was 12, he had already been arrested for robbery, assault, and battery. And when they were, I mean, he had the father had all of these kids stealing by age four. Like he taught them all to be. He's literally a demon. And if this wasn't bad enough, when Albert was young, his father literally sold him into his sisters to a farmer for labor.

That's like Charlie Manson's mom when she sold him for a fucking picture of beer. Did you literally have that right there? Oh my god, I wasn't even looking at your thing. That's awesome. Yeah, he would literally sold Allah, Charlie Manson. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

So weird. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So we're not weird. Yeah, we're coincidence. Basically, Albert was shaped by a man who literally drilled into his brain that women were useless unless being harmed or used for sex. Yep. And he gave him a complete disregard for women from the jump. It's also said that Albert's first sexual encounter

was with his own sister. I gotta go, my ride's here, my ride is waiting. Don't love it. Bye, don't love it. This has been a great podcast. It has, but I do not love it. And by teaching them from age four to steal, he was basically teaching them,

take what you want when you want it. Yeah. If you want something you take it, you figure out how to get it. That's it. And it's not like, go live your dreams, take them by the balls and go like, yay, motivation. Like, you know, so we're gonna see your kid. This isn't like that motivational poster with a cat's hanging off a tree and it's like, hang in there. It's like, no, he's literally telling them, like, hurt people to get what you want. Yeah, like fuck everybody and take who you want. Women take them.

Gross. So this is just what was in his brain. In this obviously shaped how DeSalvo looked at women forever, he took them when he wanted them. If, I mean, even if he isn't the strangler, he did do the measuring man crimes. Right. And the green man crimes. And he at least did like one or two of these, we know.

Well, and that's the thing, he's definitely tied to the Mary Sullivan murder. Right. The last one. So, he definitely was part of it. And the pathology matches with the crimes he later said to have committed, because if he was the Boston Strangler, then he was likely starting out with older women because it was easier.

So he could get what he wants, easy. Gross. And then he was getting good at it and that's when he moved on to the younger victims. About how old was he when this all started? He was in his 20s. You. Yeah. And I want to say like mid to late 20s. And he, and of course, if he is the Boston Strangler, one of them, he had to build up his confidence

during these crimes by going from older to younger. Yeah. Because he was not inherently a confident person, thanks to his upbringing of being abused and sold by his own father. You're clearly not going to have this like great self-esteem Right, exactly. So he probably needed to build it up It's pretty fucking easy to create a killer and a monstrous human being. Yeah, I mean step one just be a shitty parent literally Sell your kids. Yeah, three leave them., all it takes is for you to be in a glectful, abusive, and hateful human being who gives your children zero love, zero appropriate affection, and also fills their developing brains with hate and violence. It's very easy, just be a shitty person

and teach your kids to be shitty people. I mean, yeah. There is a research paper that I found really interesting, and it's also a book by Leonard Schengold, and it's called Soul Murder, the effects of childhood abuse and deprivation. I love the term Soul Murder. I like that a lot. First, great band name, totally.

Second, it is basically saying that a parent doesn't have to physically kill their child to murder them. Through abuse and neglect, they commit soul murder and essentially murder who the child is or who they could have been at their core. That was some Buddhist shit. I'm saying. Right there. So do not commit soul murder. No.

On any damn kids. Or on anyone. Especially kids. You can soul murder or you say on any damn kids. Or on anyone, especially kids. You can soul murder or say, got a significant other. Yeah, you could soul murder anyone. But like, don't do it to your kids. Don't do it to anyone. Because when you do it to your kids,

they're still developing and they'll go kill everybody. So don't do that. Choose other things in life. And there's a lot of other paths. So it's 17 years old Albert joined the military. He joined the army. He was honorably discharged after his first tour of duty because he was court martialed for disobeying orders.

Can you imagine also probably the shit that he then saw in the military? Yeah. Because then he re-enlisted. And he served as military police sergeant with the second squadron, 14th armored cavalry regiment. That meant nothing to me. But it sounds fancy. Pretty cool.

I thought it was gonna lie. It does. And any of our listeners who are in the military, like by all means, tell me what that means. Yes, but no, seriously tell us. Because I think one of our recent reviews said that they hate when we say we don't know what something means.

So I'm sorry that I don't know what everything in the entire world means. Someone let me know, because I'm always down to learn. Because I'm a nerd. That thinks I'm funny. Thank you, and good night. So during his time serving in the military,

he was stationed in Germany, and that's where he met his future wife. He was murdered the military, he was stationed in Germany, and that's where he met his future wife. He was murdered? Oh, he was. And you're thinking something totally different? Just waiting to hear what their marriage was like. Was it a beautiful, profound marriage?

I'm saying. So his future wife was a German girl named Irmgaard Beck, and he brought her back with him to the U.S. And they married in 1953. Okay. So in 1955, while he was posted at Fort Dix in New Jersey, he was charged, this is pretty rough. He was charged with molesting a nine-year-old girl. Oh. And he was still honorably discharged in 1956. Oh, okay. So that was charged when nothing came up. But that's just, you know, I mean, I believe it happens.

It's a pretty, that's pretty rough charge. Quite the allegation. Weirdly, he was described by all who knew him as a loving and devoted family man. Defec. According to the Boston Stranglers, which is the book I mentioned, I think last part by Susan Kelly, he had two kids with his wife, Judy and Michael. And his family members all say he was a doding father, a doding uncle to his nieces and nephews,

and they all remember him fondly. Weird. Like some of them still have like forts that he built them when they were kids. Wow. Like he was like a doding family man. And he never laid a hand on his wife. Well, and his reasoning for this was he said, I would, I'm not going to be my father. But you were in a different way. That's the thing. He chose not to do it in his own family, but he acted it out somewhere else. I gotta look up his star sign, keep talking. Ha ha.

He was definitely doing the exact opposite of what his father would do in his family life, but then in his criminal life, he was worse. So when it comes to his wife, he was apparently very devoted. And according to her and according to everyone around them, he treated her like gold. But so I'm so confused by that. Now unfortunately, one thing about Albert is he did have a voracious and pretty scary

sexual appetite. I mean, like to the point where like he couldn't, he had trouble handling the weight to have sex after arm guard would give birth to their children. Like it would make him mad that he had to wait. What? Yeah. And he would find it, he would like become withdrawn and like depressed. So he was like addicted. And she said he wanted to have sex like six times a day. What the actual thought? And obviously even if she wanted to, which he was like, no, I do not,

because I am a human being who does not like that. I fucking tired and I have things to do. Like that, she literally was like, I had a family to raise and like other things to do. Right. So they divorced way later down the line, but again, it was all kind of like weirdly chill. That's very sad.

Like I'm sure there were instances of him being, I'm sure he wasn't like perfectly even tempered their entire time. No, I doubt it. But in general, there was nothing crazy to report besides his really scary sexual appetite, which is scary. He's a Virgo, I don't know anything about that. I don't either. I wanted him to be a Gemini.

Did you? Because in my mind, he sounded like a Gemini. Aren't you a Gemini? Yes. But not like that. You just sounded like that. No, not like that. I'm not that kind of Gemini.

It sounded like he just had like, well, like dual personality. Yeah, but like also a lot of serial killers have that. I'm not that kind of Gemini. It sounded like he just had like, well, like dual person, yeah, but like also a lot of serial killers have that. That's true. That's kind of like a thing. Yeah. So, so the reason he was in Bridgewater when Phil Dintali came upon him. Yes. Was he was arrested in connection with another series of insults, of assaults, not the measuring man. Assaults, and assaults. Assaults, he was just real rude. Yeah, ugly. He was like, you're... Say it in his voice.

No. You're stinky. Hahaha. Hahaha. And you would do that if people were like, that's rude. Yes, Albert. Oh. I'm with my kids too much.

Oh, it's, um, you're. You stink, you stinky. I got weird. So, yeah, so he was arrested in Inbridge Water for a whole different series of assaults. Wow. Not the measuring man one. So, now he was arrested in Inbridge Water for being the green man. What's that? Which like, oh shit.

I remember from part two, someone was like, they were, he was outside of the building and he had these green pants on. Fuck. The green man. Fuck. And it's like, get a new stick. Like you've been the measuring man, you've done it.

How about become like anything else except for another man? Like, like, like, like, bring a joke. Why was he always wearing green? Well, that's the... Okay, so there is a reason for that. Oh. So, he was arrested for the green man shit in November of 1964, which was about 10 months after the last strangler murder.

He'd been in Bridgewater because he was being psychologically evaluated after his arrest due because they were basically like, holy holy shit this dude keeps being a fucking creep Let's see what's going on with him. Yeah, something's got to be off here So the green man like we said was so called because he wore green jumpsuits They were kind of like workmen's clothes. Okay, like people often related it to something a mechanic would wear His modus operandi was to break in or talk his way into a single woman's home. And once in, he would molester. He would often fondle her chest area in her pubic region. Now the way he would get in there is he would

always pretend to be a repairman. I am here, the superintendent of the building sent me. There's a leak. I have to fix it. He didn't call me by. Exactly. It's always like, I don't see anything in the leak by. So come back when I'm not here. One woman had said to him while he was assaulting her, she, which I was like, what that? I spent what she said. She goes, if your mother could see you, wouldn't she be ashamed? Oh, which I was like, what that aspect? What she said. She goes, if your mother could see you, wouldn't she be ashamed? Oh, yes. Which I was like, Yes, girl. Yeah. Oh, it's some people I feel like that would make me angry.

Well, and he said, yes, she would. And he pieced out of there. Wow. So there was like mommy shit in there. You know what? So, he's like, yes. She would be ashamed. What am I doing?

Well, this is why I don't recommend you bring up these fuckers moms in these scenarios. Should you ever find yourself in an awful scenario? Chances are they have serious mama issues, and it's like a 50-50 shot that it's either going to fuck them up and make them cry and leave, or he will just straight up kill you. Yeah. Because it will be like... I just don't love those odds.

Yeah, I don't need them. I don't think it's a good idea just to throw that out there because I'm glad it worked for I'm good. Hey, and you know what she was probably just thinking like anything Yeah, and she probably was just thinking it like your mother would be ashamed of you bitch. Yeah I would think that and it's like but just be you know Well, and it's these dudes that do these kind of things often have like mama issues. Oh, yeah. So it's hard to go there.

Like if you said that to Ted Bundy, I literally think he would bash your skull. Yeah. He had some, he had a little bit of a mama issue there. So the green man was prolific by all accounts. He wasn't murdering, but he was a prolific sexual predator. He was officially tried only for four women, but police say the number could be well over 300 women. Whoa.

All over Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Hampshire. Wow. Yeah. So when the salvo was in Bridgewater, he connected with a fellow inmate named George NASA. George NASA was in there as well for being, but he was in there for murder.

Oh good. Daily connected somehow. And a current, you know, to shit hanging out. Now currently George NASA is still in the state correctional institute in Shirley Massachusetts and he's in his 80s. Wow, yeah, that's interesting. And he like gives interviews about this shit. So DeSalvo ended up really trusting NASA

and actually spent a whole day after getting to know him and talking to him about like the crimes that he was willing to admit. He did like the Green Man Cr crimes and the measuring man crimes. He finally took one full day and confessed to him that he was the Boston Strangler. Oh, wow. And he told him specifically about how he was able

to disarm his victims initially because of holds he learned while boxing and wrestling in the army. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. And what he really stressed to NASA was that he was needing his help confessing to these crimes because he wanted to make money off the story. But you can't.

Well, because it was so sensationalized in the media, he was concerned about his wife and children. Like, that was the main issue at the time. Okay. He and his wife had been married 15 years at this point. And their children, Michael, I think Michael was five and Judy was 10. Oh, wow.

He said he wanted to get a ton of money for his story so his family would be provided for while he went to prison for the murders. Here's what I'm going to tell you, Albert. Your family would have been fine if you just went to work and made the money. You know, that's a very... I fixed the problem. That's innovative. Yes. That's impressive. I like where your head's at. I mean, no. Pure society. But he didn't think of that.

I know. Weirdly enough. And basically, so he was like, yo, Nasser, I need a good lawyer. And also, do you think I can get a book deal and movie deal out of this? And Nasser was like, you just might because I have a really good lawyer named Eiffelie Bailey. Eiffelie Bailey. Yes. He, Eiffelie Bailey is pretty well known for representing OJ Simpson. That name sounded super familiar. Yeah, that's one of the biggest ones. And I'm not going to say anything about OJ Simpson because that fuckers out of jail and he's on Twitter.

So moving on, I don't even go with me. But someone today said something about on the Facebook page, they were like drink apple juice because OJ will kill you or like something like that. It was really funny. Like orange juice. Orange juice because it's so acidic. Yes. That will kill your white. Kill your white drink. And moving on. So, Eiffli Bay. So March 5th was when De Natali went to Bridgewater State Hospital, with full intention to finally interrogate DeSalvo,

because Phil need DeNatalie did all that leg work. And he was like, I'm here. I cracked it wide open. Here I am. He was ready. He's like, now I'm gonna sit down with this fucker. I'm gonna interrogate the shit out of him because Phil DeNatalie was a really good interrogator, too.

He was skilled in this. This is a fun fucking story. Right? When we get to them, picking it up our fingers. So he's like too. He was skilled in this. This is a fun fucking story, right? When we get to them. So picking it up, I think. That's the thing. So he's like, I'm going to get in there. I'm going to get in his head.

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no, you can't come in here. Why? He was like, excuse me why? And they were like, oh, Eiffeley Bailey showed up the day before. No. No. You're no longer permitted to see DeSalvo without his permission.

You're shitting me. One day before he got there. Fill. One day. he got there. Phil. One day. Phil. Poor Phil. That must have been the most ferocious street I think. I'm horrified for him.

Me too. Now, when Bailey sat down with DeSalvo, definitely Bailey, when he had sat down with him, he, DeSalvo admitted to 11 strangler murders and then said, Oh, I also did two more that the police don't know are connected to that. Okay. 13. So, so 13 altogether, he gave details. He also insisted that he really didn't have a lot of insight into why he went on the spray of killings, which is something he maintained the whole time was he was like, I don't know why I did it.

That's weird. Like he could never give this to fit. And he even said he was like, I would love to know. Like I wanna know why. He just couldn't help himself. And it sounds like. Yeah. But that's such a bad reason.

Oh, I mean, obviously. Yeah. But he, like the psychology of it, he wanted to be studied. like he wanted to know. It's almost like, um, at Kemper. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, really. I just had to, like, if he was like, someone tell me why. But, um, so a guy named Dr. William J. Bryan was a hypnotist from LA, and F, F Lee Bailey had worked with this guy before. And he wanted this guy to hypnotize DeSalvo.

He thought by hypnotizing him and putting him in that state that whatever was locked in his brain about the case, it would be brought out and he wouldn't know it. Because he felt he was like holding back things. I mean, yeah, I don't believe them. And of course, he was like, let's do this super out there thing. So this guy, Dr. William J. Brian, came to Bridgewater to do it.

And he started getting to salvo into this like trans like state, however they do it. Yeah, like he did the finger thing. Sure. Once he had him in that state, that trance, it was literally like the sunken place from get out. Oh, fuck that. Like he said, he told him to sink deep down,

which freaks me out. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. And then he told him to rip pages off the calendar from March to September 1963, Okay. Which like leads up to the killing. Right. He told them when he gets there,

he was like, stop. And this is when Evelyn Corbin was killed, the date that he told him to stop on. And nobody knows why he picked Evelyn Corbin. He just did. He just picked that one. Okay. So, DeSalvo described the entire scene. Wow. He said, quote, I walked in the front door in the buzzer ring. I opened the door and I walked down the corridor all the way to the left, moved open the door and I talked to her. So the doctor asked him to tell him what she said. And DeSalvo said that she said, who sent you? Who sent you?

Mm-hmm. Which I'm like, oh no. No, we're good. And he said that he told her the super intended. That's something wrong. There's something wrong with your bathroom. I got to check it out. And she replied, Oh, just a second now, I'm going to church. Then he said, I walked in and she walked in with me. She took me into the bathroom to the right. And when she went in, she turned her back to me. And I put a knife to her throat.

And when she went in, she turned her back to me and I put a knife to her throat. Later, he said, I took her over to the bed and she said she can't do nothing. The doctor told her no. She said, please don't hurt me, please. I told her I won't hurt her. The doctor asked if he wanted to hurt her. And the salvo said, no, I didn't want to hurt her. And then some more, through some more coaching, he started making this, like he started drifting away

from this scene. Yeah. And they were getting into like, like he said, he wasn't trying to lead him anywhere else, but he was starting to float somewhere else in his mind. So he just let him, because he was like, who knows who we're gonna find. And he said, he started making this motion with his hands,

like he was closing and opening something. Like tying the bow? No, like he was holding his hands and he would like put them together then pull them apart, put them together then pull them apart. Okay. And this was determined afterwards to be legs,

but not how you think, like opening knees and closing knees. Okay. Someone else's knees. Now what we're thinking obviously is like opening knees and closing knees. Okay. Someone else's knees. Now what we're thinking obviously is like he's a rapist. Like he's thinking of opening someone's legs. No. His daughter Judy was born with terrible hip dysplasia. That DeSalvo often had to do physical therapy with her for.

And he would have to help her forcibly open her legs and close them. That was the physical therapy. And he would have to help her forcibly open her legs and close them. That was the physical therapy. And he did it for her. That's kind of gross. Well, but that's the crazy thing. Is that's your immediate thought. But this is when he started to get emotional and cry. So they stopped the session because they he said he told them this physical therapy he had to do for her, made her so really upset because it hurt, which it horrible, hip dysplasia. And he often said that this really messed with him because he said the fact that I was harming her, even though I was trying to help her, like, I never want to harm my children. That's so his mind is so weird to me.

Exactly. And so she did end up getting better with time through this therapy. Like it helped, like get her hip dysplasia under control. Uh-huh. And he ended up telling the doctor that this made him see that sometimes you have to hurt people to help them. But he wasn't helping these, like, that's the thing.

But that's the thing. So the doctor was like, I think in his mind, he thinks pain equals something good on the other end. I don't know. I feel like that's a very... But either way, the fact that he came out with this, that sometimes you need to hurt people to help them. That's so weird.

That's weird, psychology. That is weird. I feel like I just can't put my brain in that place. Well, I could. Yeah. The doctor kept, so during this session while they were going through this, the doctor kept trying to shock him into a memory by putting together this idea that he was talking about hurting to help with why he killed all these women. So apparently the transcript says after that when this was happening, that DeSalvo suddenly screamed loudly

and then pushed the doctor like clear across the room and started choking him. Oh great. And the doctor just, they said the doctor was like super chill and just said sleep and DeSalvo collapsed on the floor. Well, that must have been wild to see. Right.

And there's no like recording of this, but there are transcripts. That's so wild. Detective bottomly, you might remember him from the Strangler Task Force from part two, I believe. He was the guy that was just like the head of that. Right. He had DeSalvo look through a bunch of, because after he came out with these confessions that I'm the strangler,

he had him look through a bunch of photos of women and identify the women he killed. Like some women who wore the victims were in there, you know what I mean? Like how they do that. Just to prove. Apparently he did really well, but they recognize that this could have been because

he might have seen the women's photos in newspapers before. So then there was one photo that kind of changed things because he stopped and said, now this one here, it bothers me. And when they said it bothers you, he said, very much, I'm not sure if it could be, but is it Nina Nichols? Now this was significant because she was the only victim whose photo had never been in the newspaper. And this photo he was looking at was from when she was much younger. And he said, quote, she was frail and her hair was a lot grier than it is here. Yeah, sure, this is her okay, but she's a lot older.

Which, Wow. Which everybody, people, you might have just heard my dog snore, by the way, sorry. She's walked in the room and literally snarfed and collapsed on a chair. Your pie chance is born and suck off. So he was looking at a much younger photo of her

and was still able to go like, no, she was older. Yeah. When her photo was never published in the newspaper. So I don't know, I mean that proves a lot. I mean, that's impressive. He identified all 11 that the police knew about. Okay. Because again, the police didn't connect the other two.

And a few more? Well, this is when bottomly asked him to go through all the murders in detail, so they could match the facts. Okay. I'm only going to give you a couple of what he said. These are his like official confessions. So he said on June 14th, he had that day off from work and he told his wife he was going fishing.

Instead, he drove to Boston. He said, quote, I just drove in and out of streets and ended up where I ended up. He said he walked after parking his car somewhere and he had a weight in his pocket from his fishing kit and literally just chose a random building. Oh, God. He walked into number 77 and he explained like what the number 77 looked like. It was like embellished and shit. And he stopped in front of apartment 3F. This was where Anna Sleser's lived. He told her he was the maintenance man sent by the super and she let him in.

Oh. He said she led him through the apartment and showed him things that needed, like a couple of little things that needed repair. Yeah, because she was like, I don't know if you're the maintenance man, like he fixes. And when she turned to go to the bathroom, he you're the maintenance man, like, he fixes.

And when she turned to go to the bathroom, he said, he hit her on the head with the weight. He said, quote, blood was all over me on my jacket and shirt. So when I left, I grabbed a raincoat that was hanging in the cabinet and put it on. Now bottomly had got a replica of Anacelesa's raincoat from her daughter who had the exact same one. Oh, wow. Because they, I guess her daughter had bought her that raincoat so they could have matching raincoats. Stop.

I know. That's pure. So it was literally the exact same raincoat. Yeah. Bottomly got that and he hung it in the interrogation area in DeSalvo without prompting, grabbed it and said, this is the coat. Okay. So after you'd hit her on the head, he said he pulled the sash of her row, her neck,

or like a bathrobe, and tightened it around her neck. Now some of the details that he gave that are like kind of impressive for this, he described where the rooms were, like to the left of the right, all that. He said there was a brown sewing machine, the drapes, he said were very pretty. And so was the bathroom set or the bedroom set that was light tan. He said there was a tan record player with a darker color on it as well. And these were all true. Okay. So he then said he drove to an army Navy store, and after taking off the rain coat and shirt and shredding it,

he walked shirtless into the store to buy a shirt. Weird. And apparently no one thought anything of that. After getting a shirt, he said he drove to some marshy swampy area, and he threw the bloody clothes like the rain coat and the shirt into the water. Okay. And he made sure they like went down. Yep. So for the murder of Helen Blake, he had told his wife that he was headed out on a job. He drove to Lynn where she lived and picked a random building again where Helen Blake lived. He said after he had killed Helen Blake, he wasn't done.

So after just, he said, I know I wasn't done after killing just one woman. Wow. So he drove around again, and that's when he came upon Nina Nichols home. He said he talked his way into this one too, same with Helen Blake. Same kind of story. He said that as soon as she turned around, something exploded in him. He said it was the back of her head and not her face that set him off somehow. Weird. And he kept saying that. Like, he kept saying whenever the woman would turn around, that's when I would like some little massive explosion would go on in my head. That's very interesting. Yeah, he has a very weird pathology. Yeah. And he said, quote, as for the reason why I did them,

I cannot give you no answer. I can't give no answer. I can't give you no answer. So the Aida Erga murder. Aida Erga was the Ukrainian woman. She originally was from the Ukraine. She like escaped like war torn area. Early on, immigrated to the States, she like escaped like war torn area early on

immigrated to the States, moved to Boston. She was very careful. She would never let anyone in with that like they were really worried about that because they were like she never would have let somebody and she's very careful. Right. And she had like grandchildren, she was like yeah. So for the Ida Ergamerter, he ran four different bells that day and he said someone let him up. So for the eye to Ergomerder, he ran four different bells that day and he said someone let him up. So he just banged on doors and he said whoever answered first was one. Wow. I'd answered the door. So again, he used the maintenance fan thing and he did say that she didn't seem to trust him and this lines up with how her family said she was.

He said that she immediately said quote, but I don't know who you are. And he said quote, if you don't want it done, forget it. I'll just tell them you told me you don't want it done. And he said he's went to turn her way. And that's when she said whatever. Like come on in. Oh, God. So he was ready to go to another thing. I know go to another. He said he told her he had to check all the windows in the apartment. They went into the bedroom and it was over for her as soon as she turned around. Now December 5th, he remembered because he said it was he and his wife's wedding anniversary. Jesus Christ. He left home and he went trolling and there was a woman who answered the door of a random building and he told her he had to paint or something. He told her

like the super-adcentive to paint something. The woman was weirded out so she made up a story and said she made up and said her husband was home and she was like I'm just going to go ask my husband if he wants it done. Right. And how about it was like, bye. And left. So this was when he found Sophie Clark. Was she, which one was she? She was the young African-American woman. Who was writing the first of the young women.

Okay. And this does match up with the story that was told in the Sophie Clark murder that somebody said, I did see a guy in green pants. Okay. He came to my building. Okay. Or he came to my apartment.

Now he tried to talk his way into the Sophie Clark to Sophie Clark's apartment just like the others. But at first she was like nope. And he said, quote, she didn't want to let me in because her roommates weren't there. But they would be home shortly. She said they were taking a course across the street at the WYWCA and she was waiting for them. So this is when he said he turned into the modeling agency guy because the maintenance man thing wasn't going to work. And she let him in. He said she seemed really scared and nervous. And he liked getting in and knowing these women were questioning whether

they should have let him in. Like he liked that moment on their face where they were like, fuck, did, like, should I have let this guy in here? He just liked that. He liked scary. Yeah, he just liked scaring them. And he asked her to turn around because he was like let me see your figure So he asked her to turn around and when she did he got her They asked if there was anything weird about the scene when he left and he said quote yes I went to another room and there was some cigarettes in there Don't know if they were luckies or what they fell on the floor. I knocked them on the floor. At the scene, they found a pack of marble burrows on the floor. He also correctly said that she was on her period and that was not in the press.

Okay. So, so after all the confessions, which were like 60 plus hours in the end. Wow. Yeah. The tapes of these would go to Phil, the Natali and his team. They would all look at each confessed detail and they would literally fact check to see first, if it fit. And then they would go through newspapers, autopsy reports, police reports, media of any kind to see if it was anywhere in there that he could have pulled those around.

Right. So it was necessary to make sure he didn't pull from anywhere but his own recollections. So Dean Natali set up charts that would say like the victim, then it would say a detail that Albert gave, and then it would say whether it was true, and then it would say whether the information was available anywhere or not. Okay, like you it was all yeah, so they were really half yeah, they were going like Bit like literally with a fine tooth comb Now this is where some of his shit he got wrong makes it a little fishy because a lot of what he got wrong

Were things that weren't available To the public okay like you would get a detail wrong and it was like wrong were things that weren't available to the public. Like, he would get a detail wrong and it was like, yeah, because that wasn't published. Right, right. So you wouldn't have known that. Right. And at one point, all the things he got right were very like, well, exactly. Of course, that doesn't, everything is not always what it seems.

Okay. So hang tight. Go ahead. At one point, he asked bottomly the head of the Strangler Task Force, what the police and people thought of him, like how they felt towards him. Okay. So so he bottomly was like, what you want to know, like what the police think of you? And he was like, I think you're scumbag. And he was like, what do you think of me? And he was like, okay, so he goes, quote, well, I think you're tragic. It's a tragedy. I don't know any other way to put it.

You killed people and you don't know why. I don't know why. You've been under investigation since November. So even before you decided to talk, I knew a lot about you. I knew about your family. I knew about your relations with your wife. I knew that your neighbors thought you were a fine family, that you were a wonderful man. You're a paradox. You're a contradiction. Damn. Which I was like, damn. Go on, Adam.

Go on, Adam. So, Albert really was correct in a lot of his details. But he would give these details that only, and he would give these details that only someone at the scene would be able to give, and then he would mess up super simple things. Maybe he should fuck with them. Like very minute details he would have, and then like, simple shit, you'd be like, no, that's wrong.

Like, that's a very, so, so like, one of the things, he said that he stabbed the somebody, and then he took the knife and he threw it in a swamp. Okay. When they found the knife in the kitchen sink. Okay. And he was like, what?

You didn't throw that in a swamp? Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it's like shit like that that you're like, no, like that doesn't work. And at the time, the attorney general and people hearing these things were super impressed by all he knew. Yeah. Because, but, but now we look at this stuff and you can see that there were big issues here in his confessions. One being that they didn't allow Phil D'Natali to be the

guy to interrogate him. Because like I said before, Phil D'in Natali was super adept at criminal interrogation, and he just wouldn't have made the huge mistakes that bottomly made that do compromise these confessions. What mistakes are those? So number one, bottomly asked a ton of leading questions. Like, this is interrogation, investigation, no, no, no, no, no, you know, is you don't say things like so then you went in that bedroom. Oh, because then you just gave them the answer. So then so so then you tied a scarf around your neck. Right. Yeah. That's what he did. You know,

I really get you're already giving information. Yeah. He also showed to DeSalvo crime scene photos. Okay, well, that's how he was able to describe the rigorously. Exactly. Because we find out later, Albert DeSalvo has a photographic memory. Oh, come on, sis. Exactly. And he also suggested the answers to his own questions.

Like, for example, he would say, in one, like actual in the transcript, he says, quote, after you had intercourse with her, you went into the kitchen, you got a knife and you tried to get into that chest. And he says, yes. And then bottomly would say, quote, was this before or after you had intercourse with her?

And he go after, will you just give him that answer? Right, like you just started off by saying after you had intercourse with her and he'd go after, will you just give him that answer? Right. You just started off by saying after you had intercourse with her, you went and did this. Yes. Was that before or after? After. You just gave him that answer. Right.

Like he's not an idiot. Right. Like the students clearly like he's got something out there. So on top of the issues with bottomless interrogation skills, DeSalvo just got some details wildly incorrect, like we talked about. He would say through a murder weapon away somewhere in like a swamp, and then it would be found in a fucking sink. He just didn't make sense.

Then that Army Navy store he claimed he went shirtless into. Yeah. That didn't exist. The store didn't exist. Couldn't find an Army Navy store around where he said he was. What? Yeah and DeSalvo also claimed Which this is a big one

DeSalvo claimed he raped all of the first elderly women victims But we know from our two other episodes about this that they had all been raped with objects and not a physical body. And that's not something that was in the newspaper. Exactly. This is huge because this part of the case that he got wrong is huge because this was also like we said, not in any newspapers. So there's no way it makes sense if he wasn't at the scene that you would have said this. They thought they were just regularly right. And you don't forget that you didn't, yeah, you don't forget that. So also his motive, he didn't have one, he couldn't come up with one.

Right. He couldn't really. And then like we mentioned earlier, he has a photographic memory. That is crazy. So it's like, now one of the biggest things people say about DeSalvo is that he was a huge braggart. Like they were like, he bragged about, he overinflated everything, which makes sense when you think about how he grew up. Right. Of course, he's going to overinflate everything in his life. He bragged a ton about these murders and crimes to other inmates, and he would be like

bragging about it, and then he would cry in his interrogations when talking about them. Right. So it sounds like he was just like a little turd, and I think he liked his measuring man name and his green man name. Like he liked being named for something. Right. Like I'm known for something, I'm infamous. But it's not a good thing, Albert.

So he figured why not add bust and strangler to this. Now, according to Susan Kelly who wrote that book that I've sourced a couple times, he had the notion in his mind that he wouldn't go to prison for this, but instead, he would go to Johns Hopkins Hospital and be studied by some of the greatest doctors from all over the world. So that's why he went along with all of this? Yeah, exactly. So he thought he was going to become this prized study specimen. And his

lawyer, Eiffelie Bailey, had arranged the deal so that he could confess but would never face the death penalty. Oh shit. So he knew he wasn't gonna be put to death. Yeah. So he was like, all right, they're gonna put me in the hospital and study me. She also, Susan Kelly also says that despite it all, he really did want to support his wife and kids.

So the book deal he was hoping to score was a good incentive to just confess to confess to random shit. Because he was like, I just want them to get money. Now I'm stressed. So, on January 10th, 1967, DeSalvo was set to go to court in middle-sex superior court in Cambridge for the Green Man crimes of sexual assault. Yeah. He committed so many of those crimes that the way he was caught for them, as the green man, was that he went to an address to attack a woman

and didn't realize he had already gone to that address and attacked her before. Oh God. And the woman was like, oh yeah, I know who you are. You already assaulted me. Like, are you kidding me? What the fuck?

And she called the police and boom, he was arrested. Jesus. So his rape trial was a media circus because everybody knew he confessed to the Boston Strangler murder. Right. Right. And so they informed a salvo that the only defense they had for him for these green man crimes was insanity.

And they were not going to be trying to claim he didn't commit the offenses he was accused of. And he claimed he just wanted to tell the truth. Right. So they were saying we're not going to say you didn't do it. We're just going to try to make it so that you go to a hospital. Okay. But you're getting you a stoked about exactly. And getting him for the rapes with witnesses was easy. Like they were able to get him on all that.

Yeah. But the strangler stuff was not yet solid enough to charge him or try him for it. They just had confessions. They didn't have any physical evidence. Right. Tying him to any of these scenes. And his confessions were shaky, as we know. Like they sound great.

And the whole first part, I was like, how is she going to convince me? Exactly. He didn't do that. He maybe didn't. So the issue that really annoyed me, and this is just like the time, I think, was they seem to be trying to get the insanity defense

based on the idea that rapists just can't help themselves. Oh, yeah, you know. Like they're just these roving things that we can, you know, they don't have any self control and what do we do? So an expert witness testified in his trial that DeSalvo was a schizophrenic and that he knew what he was doing in order to get into the departments but could not control his sexual urges. Yeah, that makes sense. No. So the jury eventually did find De solve a guilty on all accounts for the green man crimes

And he was sentenced to life in prison, but denied psychiatric health. Good. So Eiffelie Bailey actually called this verdict, quote, Massachusetts has just burned another witch Which it's like I don't not a great analogy. I don't think so. Not a great analogy. Fleeing Bailey. DeSalvo was not sent to Johns Hopkins.

He was sent back to Bridgewater to be incarcerated. And Bridgewater, stay prison. It's rough, yeah. Bridgewater hospital was not a country club. No. It was a rough place to be. February 24th, he escaped Bridgewater's... He escaped?

Yeah. And when he escaped, he left a note for the superintendent. And tell me what it said. Part of the note said... He read it in his voice. Oh man, this might be hard. You can do it. Sorry, but I feel I've had it.

I just don't understand the law or people. I truly thought that I was doing the right thing by each day that goes by. I felt maybe I'd clear up a few amadis. I'd hoped of trying to help others with problems such as mine. I know they will have, oh shit. I know they will have orders to shoot me on site. I'm only sorry that people in our world don't ever want to try to understand what makes

a person what he was. I don't feel I could hurt a fly. I can't understand myself, so how can I expect you or anyone to understand what made me everything I hate? I almost can't believe it was me. It's Dac in my room. Signed Albert H. DeSelva. That was great up until he went, it's Dac in my room. Dac in my room. They turned out light.

Now those are just excerpts so there could have been something in between there but he did say it's Dac in my room. Do you think that he meant that like so metaphorically? No, I think he literally was like it's fucking Dac in here. He was like, I can't write anymore because it's dark in my room. Do you think that he meant that like so metaphorically? No, I think he literally was like, it's fucking dark in there. He was like, I can't write anymore because it's pretty fucking dark. Stuck in here, I wanna leave. I can't write.

So he basically also said at one point that he didn't plan to hurt anyone, he didn't wanna hurt anyone, he just didn't wanna die in there. Yeah, wait, what was the part that he said? I don't feel like I can hurt a fly. Yeah. But you hurt like 13 old elderly women. like I can hurt a fly. Yeah. But you hurt like 13

old elderly women. That's more than a fly, bro. Yeah, that's like the sweetest thing ever. Yeah. The most innocent ladies. Yeah. Now two other inmates actually escaped with him. What the fuck? Where was everybody? They all had stolen a key, which I don't know how they had stolen a key, and just unlocked their cells with it. Yeah, he's. They then escaped down an elevator shaft with a pair of scissors and a pillowcase filled with candy bars, which you're saying. You're kidding.

I'm sorry. Are you talking about Albert DeSilver or an episode of the Three Stooges? Is this little, is this little rascals or? Just to clarify. Yeah, this is the little rascals hour. Yeah, they literally had a pair of scissors and a pillowcase filled with candy bars. Why?

Because what else do you need in this big, bad world? I don't know, Charlie. What else do you need when going out in a New England winter in February in the middle of the night? So, obviously, there was a huge mass of man on. And when they left, two of Albert's brothers picked them up outside the gates. Oh, shit. They were like waiting for them.

And they were like planning this. Yeah. They found out that they had escaped at dawn the next day. The Feldena Talley drove 200 plus miles around trying to find him. Wow, because he was like mother. Because he's a badass. And DeSalvo actually ended up sneaking into a woman's apartment while she was vacuuming

and hid behind her couch for two hours. My fucking log. And he didn't hurt her. He just said he took some food and left. Later, he snuck into another home where he said a couple was just sitting watching TV together. And he hid in their cellar

He actually made a bed for himself and actually listened to the man hunt on the radio. That's terrifying. So check your cellos Well, he enjoyed a good handful of hours be outside of bridgewater because Now he escaped on February 24th. Okay. On February 25th. Oh wow. He was recaptured. What a bummer for him. And he was recaptured after he entered a clothing store

in Lynn to make a telephone call. Like who are you gonna call? One of the store's proprietors held him there and actually asked him, he called the police and was like, yeah, you gotta stay here because you're under arrest now. Right. And this guy actually asked him, he called the police and was like, yeah, you gotta stay here, because you're under arrest now. Right. And this guy actually asked him, he was like, did you really kill all those women?

Yeah. And he told him he didn't know, but he knew he did some of them. Interesting. Which I believe. That is an interesting answer. I don't know if I killed all of them, but I definitely killed some of them. No, he didn't want to go back to Bridgewater.

And luckily for him, he didn't have to. Instead, he went to Walpole State Prison, which is also not a great place. No. Now, Felde Natali was still pissed because this dude, yeah, he's recaptured. They're calling him the strangler. He was like, this fucker's never been tried for this.

Which is aggravating. Which is really aggravating to these families and to all of us who have put in all this work for it. He eventually recanted his confession. Just took it all back. It was like, no. Wow. Now, in 1973, just as he was scheduled to meet

with journalist Steve Dunlavi, because he said he was going to reveal who the real Boston Strangler was. He was murdered by a fellow inmate in Walpole. Whoa. It was November 27th, and he was found stabbed to death in his cell. He was 40 years old at the time that he was murdered, and he was discovered in his cell in his cell. He was 40 years old at the time that he was murdered. And he was discovered in his cell, in his bed. It was in the prison's hospital wing, and they found him at seven o'clock. He had actually worked as an orderly in the hospital wing. That's why he had a cell there.

And he was said to have died of multiple stab wounds. The medical examiner, Nolton Bigelow, said it looked like he had been dead for up to 10 hours when they found them. Wow. So it was obviously the night before they found him. They think it might have been orchestrated by inmates and staff. Oh, that's it.

Now, I think we're going to look the other way. I think so. Yeah. Because it was under such high security, they were like, how did that happen? Right. But so before he was killed in prison, he had become skilled in making costume jewelry

and leather handbags. Interesting. His stuff that he would make was like on display in the prison lobby. And those pictures of him holding his jewelry that he made make was like on display in the prison lobby. And those pictures of him holding his like jewelry that he made. I wouldn't want to. He made like intricate jewelry. It's crazy.

And George Nasser, the guy he originally confessed to, said he would make these necklaces and he said he called them chokers. And I didn't think it was funny at all. And I'm like, that's not funny. Same George. Same. Now, this is all well and fine. And it seems like, okay, maybe so he recanted, they never charged, they never tried him for it. We came up with all these things that say, you know, how he was able to confess all these details. Yeah. But then in 2013, what happened? DNA happened.

Dina. What they were able to do is take DNA from Mary Sullivan, the last victim scene, because that was the one that they found like a good amount. And they were able to match it to Albert de Salvo's nephew by taking a water bottle from a construction site trash that he used. So they did the same kind of thing they did to Deantle.

A whole different kind of thing. And familial DNA, man. And the Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Cokley said, the DNA finding quote leaves no doubt that Albert DeSalvo was responsible for the brutal murder of Mary Sullivan. And they also, of course, go on to say he was quote, most likely the Boston Strangler. Now they also were able to, because they wanted to confirm this, they knew obviously that the familial DNA is a great match. So they actually exhumed his body in DNA test to that. Yeah, so they confirmed it.

And they said, right? Like that's going for it. They went for it. And they said that the odds that the seamen belong to a male, any other male other than DeSalvo were one in 220 billion. Whoa. So I'd say those are pretty decent. Yep. So now we know through all this that he was the measuring man. And we know he at least was the one who, at the very least, raped Mary Sullivan. Right. I'm assuming he, I think he also killed her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but other than that, I feel like there was more. Yeah.

Like, I think he there was more. Yeah. I think he did more than Jess Mary Sullivan. 100%. But I don't think he did all of them. You don't think so. No. I think there was another one. I think there was copycats.

I don't know how to feel. But I can't tell you which ones I think he did and which ones I don't. Right. Right. Because I do believe that it makes, because at first I was like, nope, they don't change their victimology. This doesn't't make sense. Why would he go from old to young? But then the way you explain it, you find out his childhood and you're like, he would start with an easier thing because he doesn't have any confidence. Right.

Inherently. So then he would get good at it and he'd work out to harder targets. I just have a lot of feelings about this case, but I have no answer. Zero answer. A lot of feels no answer. So that is the Boston Strangler. That was gnarly. And we want to know what you guys think.

Each um you. So Alena thinks obviously that DNA proves the Mary Sullivan proves he's a big ski-vy weirdo, rapist, awful human. In my gut? I think he did a good amount. I think he did the mom. Right, you think he did them all? In my gut right now.

That's what your gut says right now. That's what you got out of it. I think you did them all. That's what your intestines are telling you? Yeah. Yeah. I think he did a good amount. I don't know if I can say all Yeah. I think you did a good amount. I don't know if I can say all, but I think you did a good amount.

I think you did a good amount. Albert, you're a strange mother fucker. It's stack in my room. Stack in my room. Now, also, now that you've listened to all of our parts, go listen to that strangler's podcast. Yeah, I do want to listen to that. Because it's great. And they have way more in depth,

because I took a lot of the transcripts from there, but they have way more in depth interviews with people and stuff like it's a great podcast to go listen to that. Now, before we leave, we just want to thank some patrons. Yeah, we do. Let's do it. So our first patron is that we would like to thank is Sarah Rushforth. Sarah Rushforth, I would take you to Mount Rushmore. Yeah, I would Rushforth and give you a hug.

Yeah, I would thank you so much Sarah. The next one we want to thank is Carrington Sheridan. Carrington Sheridan? Yeah. What? I'm in. Unnamesess. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Carrington. Thank you, Kalissa. So hot right now. Kalissa. So hot right now. So hot right now. And you know what?

Well, we're at it. Thank you, Beck. So hot right now. Callissa, so hot right now. So hot right now. And you know what? While we're at it, thank you back. So hot right now. Back is in like the superstar? It's not spelled like it, but I think that they're as cool, it's not cooler. I think they're cooler. I believe they're cooler. Thank you back.

Thank you back. Thank you to also Brittany and Brittany. Brittany and Brittany. Thank you. We had two Britonies, so thank you to both Britneys that are so hot right now. Brittany and Brittany, thank you. Thank you.

It's like, whoops, I did it again. Yes, it's Brittany bitch. Yes. And thank you Zarya Alina. Zarya. That's a beautiful name. I'm like, I'm gonna get a school with a girl named Zarya. That's a beautiful name. I'm like, I'm very schooled with a girl named Zarya. Yeah, it's just like nice.

It sounds elegant. It does, it sounds silky. It sounds like you're an Egyptian goddess. I bet you are. Thank you. Thank you, Zarya. Next patronus is Kelsey Largent. I like how you spell your name, Kelsey.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. I love a good ie ending. I love a good ie ending. I love a good unique name. Me, spelling. Thank you. Kelsey. Kelsey, thank you. And the last one we're going to thank tonight is Kendra Dalcanton.

Kendra Dalcanton. Kendra was my favorite on the girl's next door, and I bet you're my favorite in life We really took it back with that one sure did thank you Kendra for taking us back to that Thank you Kendra and every patron is out there Thank you so much to all our patronesses you are beautiful you are lovely and Where you are getting a bonus episode this week this weekend? Well, it's gonna say So episode this week, this weekend.

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