Morbid - Episode 87: Dennis Rader "BTK" Part 2

Episode Date: August 18, 2019

In today's installment of "DENNIS IS THE WORST", we cover the horrific murders of Kathryn Bright and Shirley Vian as well as talk about Dennis' Paraphiliac tendencies and how his narcissistic behavior led him to take ridiculous measures to insert himself into the unsolved murders.  Katherine Ramsland’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Confession-Serial-Killer-Untold-Dennis/dp/1611688418 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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No, I'm not. And I'm here. Yeah, so it's been an interesting week and we really appreciate your patience. You guys are fucking phenomenal. I love our listeners so much because not only do you understand what's going on but you make me feel so warm and fuzzy. Oh, you just do.

You guys make me feel that way too. Yeah, so I love you guys. So thank you for being so awesome through this whole thing and for waiting for part two. We'll try to make it as worth it as possible. And it's going to be worth it. What's making it even more fun is I'll be having contractions throughout it. So you're going to say that you were having one right now because before this, she warned me. And I was like, okay, just hold up your finger when you're having one. So I can time it. I'm on like I'm on labor watch. That's what

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Just kidding, I don't really know that for a thought. Your vital to all our survival you are. So we just have a couple little things we wanted to touch upon. I'm sure anybody who has social media has seen that we added another live show, guys. We sold out our Halloween Eve first show, which are fucking locked our socks off. Oh my God, blew our minds. We had no idea. And so AS220, the main stage gallery where we're having our first show in Providence, Rhode Island, let us have another night. So we're gonna be doing another live show on November 19th, 2019.

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Do it! We love murder, peril! Do it, you will. I think that's really all we had for business. I know that Mind Hunter is on Netflix now. I haven't binged it yet, so I don't have any excitation. I still need to finish season one. I know that's kind of blaspheming in this house, but I'm busy. I got it. You got it. I got John into it. It's so good. Which is very exciting because John is very hard to get into shows. He's very particular with shows.

So we're going to start binging it whenever we have any second to ourselves. I try to just not watch it with a certain ex of mine who didn't wanna watch it. So you can watch it with us. I will. Since I'm like literally the member of this household back. Exactly.

And BTK is, I think, featured pretty heavily in this season. He was, I mean, last season, he was creeping around. And you know what's funny? I did not time this with this release of Mind Tumter. So things like that just kind of work out for us. I feel like, I know, it seems like everyone's always like, oh, good timing guys. And we're like, yeah.

For a total like a bean episode, I forget. I think it was like right around the end of the episode of his death that we decided to do it, but like, not on purpose. We are usually not that like, you know, ahead of things, but we're gonna pretend we are. Yeah, so when we finally start talking about my intonter, I will have insights, but I'm really excited about it.

That's all I can say is that Cam and Britain is amazing and I can't wait to see them again. Hey, so let's dive into Dennis Raider. Pat Toe. Pat Toe, kid. All right, so when we left you guys off, we discussed his crazy childhood that was really not that crazy.

I was like, wait, but he made it crazy. And didn't we talk about murder barns? We talked about murder barns. We talked about sparky big time. I like who could forget that. Even if they tried really fucking hard too. I'm sure you all scrubbed your mind's eye to try to get that out of there, but it's never leave and never. And we also examined his evolution into the kind of monster who would murder four members of a family in horrific ways. We did. We did. Unfortunately.

I just want to put it out there one more time because the source material for this episode is heavily coming from Catherine Ramzlin's book Confessions of a Serial Killer, the untold story of the BTK Killer, Dennis Raider. It's amazing. This is the one I discussed in last episode. Just in case you guys want to go get it because it's, I mean, she goes so far into my white college because she's a criminal psychologist. She's amazing. I love her. But she goes really deep into like her psychological, like impressions of him and stuff. So it goes way deeper than what I'm even going to give you here. So definitely go get that book. Do it. Um, and yeah, so I just wanted to shout her out one more time because I really fucking love that book.

And most of it is written by the BTK killer by Dennis Raider. Because it was by the BTK killer, the BTK killer. I think the, um, poetic strangler, the, the grot Phantom Yikes. Because it was them corresponding through letters for and it's a lot of it is in his words. So that's the best way to get these things. So when we left you off, we had discussed the Otero murders. This was so sad. Really terrible murder. It was his first foray into murdering people, which is a big big bang to start out on. Big for a didn't go exactly how he planned it. We saw array into murdering people, which is a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big even though they told him there was no gas in the car, but for some reason he still tried to steal. It's just he's a wreck. He was a bumbling idiot. And he didn't expect Joseph senior, the father

to be home that day, but it happened to be home. Now, unfortunately, Joseph, Julie, Joseph, Junior, and Josephine were not discovered by the police who discovered. They were discovered by their other family members 15 year old Charlie Otero 14 year old Danny Otero and 13 year old Carmen Otero. Oh my god. Yes. The surviving children of Joseph and Julia Otero were the ones who found the family the way that Dennis had left them. That is the most horrific thing. Yes. Now the oldest child is Charlie O'Taro. At the time, you know, he was a really good kid. He was a straight-A student. He was super popular.

Like, he was just a good kid. Everything was going well from. He wanted to, he had plans after school. He was going to go to Wichita State University. And he wanted to follow in his beloved father's footsteps because all these children talk about their parents, best parents ever. Like, they'd looked up to their father.

That just made my heart. Joseph O'Terra was a master sergeant in the Air Force at one point. I believe he was retired at this time. And that's what Charlie wanted to end up doing. He wanted to go in the Air Force like his dad. Are you gonna tell me something really sad about Charlie? Charlie had a rough go at it but that day Charlie was actually the last of the three kids to get home but he bore a lot of I mean they all bore the same amount of weight but being the oldest I think

he bore just a different kind of weight. He walked up to the home after school and he said he immediately noticed that the garage door was open and his mother's car was missing. Uh-huh. This was weird to him right off the bat because his mom was that welcome back home from school mom. She was always there. She wasn't late. Oh. She would always be there. So he was like, what's going on? This is so fucked up. Yeah.

Then he went around to the back yard and he saw their dog, Lucky, was out there alone in the snow. So he's like, who the fuck did that? Exactly. And remember, I think last episode we discussed how they didn't want to put the dog out in the snow because he didn't do well in snow.

So he, again, he was immediately like, who put the dog outside in the snow by himself? Like, what is going on? Right. So again, he's already like something is strange. There's alarm bells going off. He went inside and things had a strange vibe right off the bat again.

He said he saw his dad's wallet was opened. The contents were strewn all over the counter. His mother's purse was the same way, turned upside down strewn all over the counter. His mother's purse was the same way turned upside down, contents everywhere on the counter. Oh God. That's not a good thing to see when you walk out. That's a good sign. Because he also said not only is that like a weird thing to see to begin with, but he also said his mom was kept a very tidy kitchen. Right. And this just wasn't anything that would have happened here. Like they wouldn't have dumped their shit all over the counter. So he said this was immediately troubling.

Now, if this isn't bad enough, then he hears his two siblings, Danny and Carmen, calling to him from one of the bedrooms. Oh, God. And they said, so they had come home before him. Yeah. And they said, I think it was Carmen who yelled, come quick, mom and dad are playing a bad joke on us. Oh, God. She was only 13. Oh my God. Charlie ran to the his parents room and immediately saw his father lying on the floor by the bed, bound

at his wrist and ankles with cord with a belt around his neck. And remember, he had bitten through the the bag. His mother was on the bed, also bound at the wrists and ankles with cord and had clothing line around her neck. Oh, Jesus. And they say, and I mean, at this point, this happened in the morning, when you strangle someone that is not a, they don't look the same. So he saw his parents in horrifically grotesque ways. I can't even fathom it. I really can't. That's so horrible. They tried to call the police immediately, but the phone lines were cut. Oh my god. So Danny ran to the neighbor's house and the neighbor called the police. Now remember Joseph Jr. was in another room, and Josephine was down in the basement.

Luckily, and I hesitate to say luckily in anything to do with this, luckily they didn't see their siblings. Well, because Josephine was in a really rough position. If they, if they had seen Josephine, yeah, I don't know how you come back from that to be quite honest. I don't know how you come back from seeing your dead parents, but especially you're like, but Josephine. Yeah, I don't know how you come back from that to be quite honest. I don't know how you come back from seeing your dead parents But especially like but Josephine was just so hanging is a very Jarring thing to see and he left her in like such a crude. Yeah, and he I mean, yeah, exactly that's exactly the way to describe It's just crude and it's awful

So apparently when the police showed up the three kids were just on the front lawn sobbing. Oh, God, that's just, that's like the worst. Which I also am like these police officers. I can't imagine. First of all, seeing these poor kids, and then second of all, having to go into that scene, that's a rough scene. Charlie told the police what that they found their parents.

But he said, I don't know where my other siblings are, they must not be home. Right. So he had no idea. Oh my God. Yeah. Obviously, the police ended up finding them in the house. And unfortunately, this experience definitely affected

Charlie in a immense way for a while. There's actually a ton of television specials and articles and interviews with Charlie that he's given about this whole thing that go really far into his life and the events that happen after this. It's like really tragic, but he's also really inspiring because he has been able to work through it and turn himself around from the trauma. But like in in particular, there's a really good like in-depth long look at Charlie's life in a, I think it was in Reader, it's in Reader's Digest and it's by a guy named Kenneth Miller. He did like an in-depth look into Charlie's life. I think it's like eight pages long.

Oh, wow. And I mean, he, you know, went to jail. He found himself like homeless at one point. He had a couple of kids, but like then he didn't have any contact with him for a little while. It was just, he was living a very like, just terrified paranoid life.

Because for a while, you have to remember for a while, they didn't know who did this. Right. So they were just like, is this somebody going to come after me too? Yeah, they killed him. They tried to kill. Yeah. They tried to kill my whole family. So he lived this heart like, you know, super paranoid, not being able to really like function.

And then he ended up just like turning that shit around. Good for him. He like is in contact with his kids. His kids say he's like the greatest father. It's really like inspiring to read his story. So if you want to read more about Charlie O'Taro, I'm telling you, you can read that Kenneth Miller in Depthing and Reader's Digest.

Or I think there's like stuff on Netflix about him. He's done a ton of stuff. I want to watch. Yeah. At the time he said, Charlie's quoted as saying, quote, I hated God for allowing this to happen to my family. He was like very active in the church. His family was. Yeah. And he said, quote, I lost my religion. The minute I saw my mother lying there, which I that'll do it. Yeah. And he said, quote, I lost my religion. The minute I saw my mother lying there, I mean, which I that'll do it. Yeah. If anything's going to do it. And when he talks about his parents, he said, quote, my father was really outgoing, a jovial kind of guy. And my mom, a very caring, loving Catholic woman. She was a mother first, you know. Oh, so that just gives you an idea of who Julie and Joseph O'Terra were. Now, switching away from the family, after committing the O'Terra murders,

Dennis went into the woods, he burned his sketches he made before the murder, because remember, this little fucker doodles all over the place. What a weirdo. And he burned his plans because he wrote down all the shit. And any other evidence like the rope he used, the cord he used, anything he brought back with him. I mean, the gloves, anything. He burned it all. Now he did this because he was a kind of a savant

when it came to serial killers. And he had studied so many other serial killers. Yeah. And their mistakes that he knew he had to burn the evidence because other killers had kept shit and it led to their discovery. So he was like, as much as I want to keep all this and running this on it,

because he is one of those killers too that does like to take trophies. But he tries to be very specific with the trophies. He's a minimalist. Yeah, very minimalist. You know Dennis. Now, he goes from this where you're like, okay, you're doing your due diligence as a dick. So, but then next, he records the entire event in his journal. Okay, you're a fucking moron. Because Dennis has a moment where it's

where he seems brilliant, like burning all all the evidence And then he immediately turns around and records the event in great detail in a fucking journal like that wouldn't be evidence It's like Dennis like you just you just fuck yourself Dennis Dennis So I mean, I'm glad. I mean the dumb is very strong with this one very struts deep run so deep Dumb is very strong with this one, very strong. Runs deep, runs so deep. So in this journal is actually where he started discussing with himself. Of course. Had to name himself BTK.

Shut up. In the journal, he started being like, you know, a bun, the matured, the my kill them. Maybe I should be called BTK. I don't know. I need an identity. I'm a serial killer now. Like he's like, what is he?

He's like a loser. A teenage girl, but like in serial killer form. Oh my God. He's the Regina George of serial killer. He is. It's like his burn book. Wow. Another Mean Girls Quicks. Another Mean Girls reference. I don't know if this is a good thing that we're connecting this so much with it, but we're doing it. I have to. I have to lighten it on myself. And you know what? The pictures it brought forth. Guys, you did not disappoint. Now I'd like to see Dennis holding the bird book. Thank you. And goodbye. Now, I love that I just deba-ed sketched it. I'm sorry. That was so rude. Like now give me your best shot at like Jesus Christ. But you guys, you guys did such a good job.

Those are fucking awesome. You guys are amazing. So this is also where we're gonna get dark for a second. So we got because we weren't already for going dark, jovial for like a second back down to the shit. You know how it goes up here? You know more, but yeah, we go from one end to the other. This is also where he wrote down that he had actually envisioned

enslaving the entire for members of the family. And he, but he wanted to do that in the afterlife. What? Yeah, he was going to enslave them in the afternoon, the afterlife. And he said, what is that? How? But so, but this is just his fantasy. Like, it's like they all go to the afterlife together

and he gets to do what he wants with them. This man is dark. Like he told police that he think he said that Joseph Sr. would have been the bodyguard. Julie would bathe and serve him. Who? And the children would be trigger warning his sex toys. Okay, that's gross.

He said, yeah, he's disgusting. And he also told Catherine Ramzland that Josephine, she reminded him of a net Funichello, the Mickey Mouse Club. Oh, shit. Who he was obsessed with. Which, yeah. So he did like connect those two things back,

which I'm like, oh God. Wow, what a fucked up individual. He's so beyond. That's just, yeah, I don't even know what words to describe that with. And it's like, how the fuck are you going from like enslaving a family in the afterlife to being like, you reminded me of a net-foon-n-chello

from the Mickey Mouse Club. What? Where is the parallel? What, sir? Like, I don't understand this. And do you know what? I don't want to understand. I'm so glad I have no understanding of Dennis' world.

Same. Very glad about that. Super stoked. Now, the next step for Dennis was to wait for all the publicity to come. Well, that's goody. Because that's what he's really excited about. He's a lust killer.

So he is definitely into the murder and torture and sexual aspect of it. All that's good because that's what he's really excited about. He's a lust killer. So he is definitely into the murder and torture and sexual aspect of it. All that's his jam, but he's also a narcissist and he loves credit and attention. Hmm. Great. He loves it. And another little side note that they mentioned in the book is that in preparation for his next, you know, trolling and murder, But in preparation for his next, you know, trolling and murder, he was like, you know what? I got a strength in my hands a little bit because he said all, you know, strangling people the death is not easy to do. Yeah. And he was like, I thought it was going to be easy.

You see it on TV. I thought it was going to be super easy. Yeah, everything's easy. But it was super, it was harder than he thought. And he also didn't want everybody biting through the bags again So he was like I got to make this quicker He doesn't by the way he doesn't get better for a long time I don't know if he even does ever get better He kind of bumbles his way into every murder

So what what did he do to strengthen his hands? Do I want to know? Well, so what he said and this is in his own words in letters Well, so what he said, and this is in his own words in letters, quote, I saw in a movie about a minotaur, which is what he calls serial killers, by the way. That's stupid. Tuffinning up the hands. I had sports balls at home work in vehicles to practice and exercise my hands.

I do have large hands. Exercise with a hand ball helped blood circulation and to keep the hands fit. What? Who thinks of that? And also, again, just doing whatever other serial killer does. No, he does nothing unless he's looking at what other serial killers are doing and being like, I need to do that. He wants to fit in. He does. He is that dude walking up to the lunch table and Ted, you can't say it with us. He is, Cady Heron. He is. So I just thought that was interesting that he like took the time

after this first one to sit there and be like, I need to strengthen my hands. So you just like squeeze sports balls. I mean, who knows? That's so strange to me. Like, maybe just had a stress ball and he was like, this is right. That's what I'm picture. I mean, you can strengthen your hands. You can strengthen anything on your body. Yeah, that's just like so wild. But like, and stupid. Like, who Dennis is?

Come on, Dennis. You think that you would just want to strengthen your arms. Exactly. Yeah, you would think. But he's looking at it like, no, it's my hands that I'm using. And it's like, oh, yes, your arms have nothing to do with this story. But they're not connected to your hands in any way.

Or help them to do anything. You're dumb,'re not connected to your hands in any way or help them to do anything. You're dumb, Dennis. Oh, Dennis. You're a dumb, Dennis. You're a dumb, Dennis. Yes, Dennis. All right.

So many accounts and professional opinions, including that of Ramzland, and also criminal psychologist Eric Hickey, who wrote the book, serial murderers and their victims, say that Dennis likely had parapffiliate disorder. What's that? Now, first of all, it's important to remember that not all parapherias are illegal or criminal. Just want to put that out there. Paraffiliate? But paraffiliate disorders are basically very, very intense sexually arousing fantasies that are recurrent, they're consistent, they happen all the time, you can't stop them. And they are fantasies that surround kind of like really fucked up shit.

Oh, great. Like strangling, stabbing, watching someone die. Like this isn't like fetish stuff, or BDSM or anything like that. It is very different. I want to be very clear about this. Paraphyllic disorders are when you are a lot of the times they're very extreme where you're want to hurt someone to get like an actual ear. That's like really horrible. Yeah.

And to suffer from that, I can't imagine. Well, and then, so that's one part of it. One part of it is these, it's these really intense fantasies about very bad things like stabbing someone, watching them die, watching them suffocate. Can that just happen to anybody? Well, usually I'll get into that in actually one second,

but these, the other side of this involves things that like people, they'll fantasize about inanimate objects, like shoes or underwear, things like that, things that aren't really going to do much. That's fine. Like you can fantasize about whatever you want as long as it's not. Yeah, fantasize about shoes. You know, it's fine. Fantasy about shoes and underwear, that's fine.

But then it goes into like children, you'll, in other non-consenting adults or humans. And it just gets, it's like it fluctuates between being it's fine. It's not okay. You know what I mean? There's a very dark side of this and a very totally fine side of this

that's just like whatever. Like shoes, that's cool. Oh my god, shit. You want a fantasize about children? That's not cool. So it's like, there's two very potato, potato sides about this. He obviously had the part, actually he had a little bit of both because he was very into like touching

women's underwear, touching things of women's. But then he also liked to watch people strangle the death and die, and he liked that part of it, and it always got him off. This whole thing was about getting Dennis off. It was about Sparky Big Times. It was about Sparky Big Times, and this disorder usually begins pretty early in life, and then it just kind of grows and grows as adulthood happens. So the disorder causes fantasies to become this like overwhelming part of this person's life.

The person who suffers from this disorder has trouble focusing on anything else but these fantasies. And they just, in a lot of times they will get darker and darker if they feed into them. And if they don't feed into them, they'll get darker. So you're fucked either way. Now, oftentimes just fantasizing, can stimulate and arouse somebody who suffers from paraphernalic disorder enough to satiate them. Just the fantasy will work. They can do it. They don't have to actually do anything crazy. But in the case of Dennis and in another killer, who will talk about at some point, Jeremy Brudos, they had very distinct parapherelias

that they couldn't just stop at fantasizing within an inanimate object or something like that, they had to bring a much darker element into it. Like Jeremy Brudos had a very serious foot and shoe fetish, which is fine. And this likely happened when he was a child, and again, we're going to cover him in depth somewhere time soon. But basically what happened was when he was very young, he found like a sexy pair of high heels somewhere, And his mother made him dispose of them and kind of humiliated him about it. And she also kind of fused sex and being bad

and shoes like all together. So it just like totally fetishized this experience for him. And it made him end up being really fucked up with it and he ended up murdering women and keeping their feet. Oh, I'm gonna say they kept their shoes. Yeah, he kept their shoes too, but he also kept feet. Whoa. So in the case of Dennis, the same kind of thing happens,

I don't, we don't know what happened because Dennis attributes literally every single thing to him becoming a serial killer. So it could be any number of little things. He got kept in for recess. So any had any ear infections. So maybe he stepped his toe one time. You just don't know.

All right. But you could connect the fact that when he was little, he said he used to like to touch silk a lot. And he liked his mother's silk nightgown and then he became very into like women's clothing and all that good stuff like touching it while he was doing things. But he could have just stopped there. Right, but he didn't. Right. So it's just a matter. I don't know what it exactly pushes somebody into not stopping there, but that sucks. pushes somebody into not stopping there, but that sucks.

Now lust murder, which is called a, a rato phoenophilia, is what Dennis could, is a class, classified as he's a lust murder. Okay. This is when someone's just straight up aroused by murder. Great. Like, it's not like we're all like, oh, I'm very interested in murder. Like, no, this is like, he literally, he needs to be a part of people to jack time. Yeah. He has a sparky big time when he's watching someone be murdered. Oh, wow. It's like the it's the whole act. It's watching the person die, watching them suffer all of it.

Wow, the human brain is so wild. And these kind of killers, less killers, it's all about fantasy, which is goes right along with the paraphernalic disorder. So it's like, his whole world is just one big fantasy world. Right. But not like a fantasy world, like I play Dungeons and Dragons and it's great. Like I have a good, active fantasy world. No, no, it's a lot of it.

His is real bad. So and actually in his own words, he said, quote, my fantasy dungeon would be a sigh, this is his fantasy. Would be a silo next to a barn. The murder barn murder barn murder barn. With different levels of torture chambers, it would have wooden beams like castles of old. The person would have straw or hay for a bed. At the top would be a BTK den, a computer desk,

a drawing board, and files. Now the question, would I have ever designed or built such a monsterly idea? If I were rich and younger and alone wolf maybe, the fantasy farm was a long highway 50 from Newton to Florence. Take a castle, Dutch windmill, sawmill and silo, and you have a BTK dungeon.

In my quote, retirement, I was going to build my fantasy silo. So not only does he have a murder bomb, but he has a fantasy silo. Wow. From early in my teens, I also used our basement for auto-sphyxiation by hanging myself to achieve climax. Oh, yeah.

So that's... So that's... So this is where his H.H. Holmes murder bond fantasy comes to life. And honestly, like, yeah. You, yeah, you can totally build that. Like three fucking levels of like torture chambers and a murder barn Like are you in handy? I'm a man.

I'm just straight in your hand. Totally feasible. What he doesn't understand is that Holmes was an unfortunately brilliant scammer and insurance fraud professional who used those skills to build his huge crazy murder castle. Right. And he does not have those skills. It's like, I'm sorry, Dennis. He just sees the top hat and the twirly, whirly mustache. And he's like, that's me. I'm a man about town. Like, that's what he thinks he's

going to be. He's going to be. I think he will. He won't. He won about town. I'm a man about town. And he's twirling his cane and flipping his mustache. You know all that. So now that word, so again, like we said before after I got into all the paraphernalic discussion, Dennis is looking for publicity. Right. He killed a family of four. He's like, is a no one ever talk about this. He's a come on. Give me attention. Hello. Now that word of the Oteramardters was starting to get out and he started devouring just everything on TV and radio about it. Then he started collecting newspaper clippings and stuff about it and he used this to begin his first quote, Heidihole file. No, no. Yep. He's like, I'm gonna put it in the Heidihole. Like, I don't know if you thought Dennis was gonna get cooler. He's like

Such a nerd, but he doesn't not in like the way that we're nerds. No, he's an excruciating Dork. Yeah, do you remember Minkus? Yes, boy meets world. He's like Minkus if Minkus was a serial killer. Yeah Same glasses. Yeah, he's a Minkus. He's a homcus if Mincus was a serial killer. Yeah. Same glasses. Yeah. He's a Mincus. He's a homicidal Mincus. Wow. I mean, we're just blown the lid off.

Now I got to watch Boy Meets World, sorry. Well, and that's, so these Heidi whole files were where he kept all his like, all the paraphernalia that he could have. Don't touch my Heidi Hall. Don't touch my hat, Hall. Like, ew, Dennis, you're a fucking weird man. And even that sounds like disgustingly dirty. The hidey hole sounds like you're fucking hidey hole.

Like get the fuck out of here. So apparently he kept these things because like he's living in a house with his wife. It's like where your hidey holes. Hidey hole. Apparently he was keeping them, I believe in a house with his wife. Like where are your hard holes? Hard hole. Apparently he was keeping them, I believe in a shed out in his backyard where his wife just never went.

Now, man. Now, this whole Otero murder happened in January and he claimed that by February of March, he was already like itching for another one. So he was like boom, boom, boom. He had the fever. Right. He had a few, he said he had a few people that he was looking at his projects. But you know, because he

liked to call his victims projects, you know, further make them into like these nothings to him. And so he was following people, he was stalking people, he was learning about people, you know, just being a fucking creep. Right. He would legit at this time. He would legit prowl around houses at night and just watch what was happening inside the house. So you would literally be in your house. No.

And Dennis fucking raider was standing in your fucking backyard watching you do everything in your house. That's so scary. Tell me that's not terrifying. And what you would do was he wanted to know if there was a male present in the home, because especially after the Otero martyrs, when he didn't know that Joseph was gonna be home,

he did not want to be surprised again by a male. Yeah. Because he was like, of course, I can dispatch a mail, but I didn't want to have to. Like totally. Of course, I'm the spanked-up guy. He's like, no, you're not. So it was during one of these creepy-ass prowling sessions,

they just hanging outside people's houses, that he saw Catherine Bright. She was at her home, and he spotted her out at the mailbox and he said, quote, she fit my fantasy profile. Oh good. A co-ed dishwasher blonde and small. Dishwater blonde. Dishwater blonde. That's so rude. I was just going to say, please hair stylist, tell me what dishwasher blonde is. Dishwater blonde. Okay, so dishwasher blonde is when you leave your toner on for too long and your hair gets that like mucky like

Like almost like grayish color blonde. So he's like that's a dick thing to say. Yeah, no, it's wicked Do she's when he says it. It's like he's trying to say it like it's a nice thing and it's not well I mean, I would never use the word dishwater to describe something nice like when you say like Like sunshine blond darker blonde, like sunshine blond. Darker blond or like, what a sandy blond. Golden blond. Beautiful.

Not Dennis. Dishwater blond. That's what you. You're comparing your head to dish water. That's what he's in. I bet he was. I bet dish water would get him off. I was gonna say maybe that was one of the best things.

He said the dish doesn't mean like, oh, and he was like dirty dish water. I'm into it. Sparky big time. Now, he ended up pairing in her windows and discovering that she had either lived alone or just with another female Okay, and he didn't see a dog in the house I was like ding ding ding this looks good So he immediately locked in on this house and this victim

He said he drove by a ton of times on various days, just like casing the place. Gross. And he said that he was psyched, that it was like kind of set back a little, and that it was kind of by itself. And he was just feeling good about this one. He was starting to get this one going. He was forming a plan. So he was like, what I'm going to do is once I'm in a cider house, I'm going to bring

her to a bedroom, which he already knew where it was because he was already watching. And he thought it was just falling. Yes, I know. The thought of this fucking creep, just watching your every move for days and days. And then knowing where your bedroom is. He said he was planning to tie her naked to the bed in strangle or suffocate her and tie her up by her hands and feet. No, thank you. And he was like, that's my Saturday night plan. I'm psyched. Just like an interesting side note, Dennis really liked the number three.

And he likes things to be in threes. I hate that. That's my favorite number. I know it's John loves the number three, too. Oh, that is me. I'm angry. Catherine Bright Street number both, I enter home address, both had three's in them. Oh, great. So he was super into it because she lived at two, three, one, seven east, 13th street.

Oh, good. April 4th, 1974, 21 year old Catherine Bright became the fifth victim of Dennis Raider. I'm so sorry, Catherine. This fucking dork called this murder plan project lights out. I want to euthanize him. Honestly, I would expect nothing less. Project lights out. Project lights out. What was the first one? Did he name the first one? Project Little Mix. Remember? Oh yeah, that was awful.

I would expect nothing less from his fucking extra ass. He showed, he had a quote, hit kit, all prepared, because he liked to call his murders hits. And he had a hit kit. That's not a hit you, Eddie. Because he's so badass and cool. Ew. No.

And apparently he had class that day because he was in college still. Like he was going to, he was taking college classes at this time. Oh really? Yeah. We talked about it in the first episode. But he had class that day.

So he went from class and he drove to the Kenmar shopping center. And that's where he changed his clothing into clothes that he had already packed in his car ahead of time. So it's like for one thing, Dennis is very organized and prepared. Yeah. But somehow still ends up being not a problem. And so he changed his clothes. He parked his car near the Wichita State University campus. And then he walked to Catherine's home. Okay. Because he was trying to be, you know, he was like, I'm not going to be as crazy as I was the last time. Now, he was wearing leather golf gloves, one on each hand. Okay. Because he, you know, he was like, you know, this seems like

the best thing to use because I was using latex gloves before and they were hard to use. No, just kidding. He saw a movie with Jack and a Gau. No. Acting as a hitman and he thought it was super neat that he wore golf gloves during being a hitman. No. So he copied him like a little bit. No.

No. Literally saw a movie with Jack Nicholson as a hitman wearing golf gloves and he was like cool. And he went out and got, and stole himself golf gloves. I saw Katy Harren wearing army pants and flip flops. So then I went out and bought army pants and flip flops. That's literally

the greatest reader is in Mean Girls. I'm telling you we're blowing the lid off. Please. I'm alive right now. Yeah. I just and that's just like a side loser. Sorry. That's just a side note because I was like, I can't know. I needed that in my life. So with him He had a 357 Magnum, a cult woodsman, two knives, a ton of extra bullets, and he had a shoulder hole, just a holster because he saw that in movie two probably because what a cowboy. So he ha. Right? He also had two stocking caps, a black ski mask, and a gray cap with white snowflakes on it. That seems like too many hats.

Well, the gray one he said it was in his, I think was in his coat pocket. And he also brought with him books because he want his whole rules was going to be that he was going to knock on her door, pretend to be a WSU student. And he was saying he was doing research and he was looking for a new tutor. And is this the right address? You know, I mean, he was going to be like, oh, am I my tutors? I'm trying to find my tutor.

I'd be like, you're like 50 years old. Why are you on my doorstep? Like super cool, Dennis. But see, then that'll get back. Super cool. I think he was 29 at this point. Oh, okay. So, she wasn't home when he got there.

Even her car was in the driveway, but she wasn't home. So he was like, okay, well, I'm going to break in anyway, and I'll just wait for her. Oh my God. Which is a nightmare. So he broke the back door into the kitchen. And this is when he just kind of walked around her house and tried to figure out where he could hide

to surprise her when she came home. Oh, like fuck you, dude. And he said, and again, this is all getting scary and like horrible. And then he's just a fucking, and still is, but it's like he then he just bumbles it all up. Why would he do? He said while he was doing this,

trying to find like the perfect, and he makes a face. No. He heard a car pulling and saw Catherine with a male walking up to the home. Oh gosh. He obviously wasn't prepared for this once again. Right.

So he just walked right up to them when they came in the house before they had even close the door behind them What and stuck a gun in their face So he just abandoned ship like he was just like I am losing my mind again So he basically used the same ruse he used on the Oteros He said he was a wanted man from California. I want your car. So he just abandoned his whole plan and just went with this The male with Catherine was her brother, Kevin. Oh God.

He brought them back to a back bedroom because he's sticking a gun in their face. Yeah. And he even says himself, he's like, they probably, he's like, that was dumb, like of me, because they could have just run right out the door. Right. But they did, it was just like, we did not, I just scared them enough. And so they, but he brought them back to like, there was a couple back bedrooms. He used Nylons and scarves from Catherine's drawers and bound them. He had Kevin tie Catherine's hands up. And then he tied Kevin to a bedpost. And he brought Catherine into another

room and finished tying her to a chair. So now they're in two separate bedrooms. Oh, that's fucking horrible. Yeah. He turned the radio up super loudly. Oh, no, that stresses me out. Oh, my God. So much.

It is always such a terrifying detail to me. It is. And I don't know if it's like just because I fucking hate loud noises, like loud noises stretching out. Well, just adds to the anxiety of everything. It really does. And he wanted to use it to drown out any sound obviously. And then he planned that he was going to strangle Kevin

so that he could get rid of him right away. And then he was gonna be able to take his time with Catherine. That was his plan. Now he started strangling Kevin, but Kevin broke his bindings and started fighting him. Dennis pulled one of his handguns out and literally shot Kevin in the head. At this point, Dennis is like, cool, that's done. So he casually goes back to Catherine and tries strangling her, but she's now breaking free and fighting back too.

Now while he's trying to fight with her and trying to strangle her, he hears Kevin moving in the other room. What? Dude is up and ready to go again. Yes, Kevin. Kevin grabbed the magnum out of Dennis's stupid ass shoulder holster.

That cool shoulder holster he had to have. I wish he shot him. Kevin grabbed it and tried to shoot him, but according to Dennis, Dennis stuck his finger in the gun to jam it. I doubt that. I'm skeptical of that. I think it just jammed itself

because when Kevin describes it in a later article, he says that the gun jammed, but I haven't found him mentioned that Dennis stuck his finger in the gun. I feel like that's just Dennis trying to like, cuff out his chest. Yeah. I stuck my leather covered finger in the gun, because I'm not cool.

It's like, fuck you. You didn't stick your finger any guns out, man. No, you're a loser, Dennis. So in Dennis' words, quote, I got away and used the 22 and shot him one more time. I tried a quick John Wayne Western shot. No, I didn't aim. I just grabbed it out of my parka pocket and fired towards his head. He immediately fell down, which I'm like, you're fucking down. Fuck right off. I believe I kicked him or tried to see if he was dead. I didn't check for life signs. I had hit him in the mouth, apparently knocking out his teeth.

There was just a lot of blood, and I thought he was down for good that time. Why I didn't shoot him in the head? I don't know, possibly because of all the noise and confusion. Dennis Rader is like Mr. Bean if Mr. Bean was a homicidal maniac. I just want to put that out there for this next part. Yeah. So Catherine is now screaming hysterically. And in his haste, Dennis just pulls out an eight inch hunting blade that he brought with him and starts stabbing her.

Oh my God. Which is very not part of the plan at all. No. He said, quote, I'd never had any intention of stabbing anyone, but it happened because I lost control. That created a mess of blood everywhere on my hands, pants, shoes. I made a vow if I ever again had to confront to kill,

there would be no knife. I would only draw if I needed it to defend myself. Then he says, quote, I thought I had just stabbed two or three times underneath the ribs. I had read in a detective magazine that if you want them to go down, you stab them under the ribs

and hit the lungs or heart. She says, once again, I read in a magazine that they said they do that. What a, like I fucking hate you, Dennis. You're so silly. Everything he says, he's like, he's talking about this brutal, awful thing.

And then he's like, I read it in a magazine once that they said you should do this. Like, I hate you. This is a woman's life, you fucking shit flower. So while this is all going on, this horrible chaos, Kevin ran out the front door. Kevin. Kevin.

Kevin. This. Kevin. This Dodober Dennis let one of two victims run out the front door after he had already shot him in the head and mouth multiple times. Like, whoa. Wow. Whoa, whoa. Dennis is literally fucking Mr. Bean if Mr. Bean was a homicidal maniac. He really is. Like this is bonkers.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. So Dennis Panix, because everything's going according to plan, right? And then Kev's gone. Kevin just ran out the fucking door. And so Dennis Panix, he cleans what he can clean. And he leaves Catherine very much alive, moaning and bleeding.

Before he left, he stole her license. That was stupid. Because he was like, I want to put this in my hide-hole. You're stupid. And he tried to steal one of their cars because her car was there and his truck was there. He tried to steal one of the... I think it was the truck he tried to steal. He took the wrong fucking keys.

Oh my god. Not just makes sense. Yep. He took the wrong fucking keys. So he tries and on his way out the door, he cut his leg on glass on the way out. So he's bleeding everywhere. He left DNA and he just took the wrong keys and is trying to start a truck with the wrong keys. Wow. Oh, and he left his gray stocking cap there. Oh shit. Oh, and he left his gray stocking cap there. Oh shit, fucking Mr. Bean. Wow.

Now, that's smart done. Nope. So he runs to his car, because he's like, I gotta get out of here. So he just runs to his car, and he gets home before his wife gets back. He cleans himself up. He puts all the clothing and evidence in a bag,

and he hit it somewhere on his parents. I think like in his parents like shed or something, that's fucked up. Yeah. He says, quote, in this interim, like after the Oteros, I destroyed a lot of magazines from my Heidi Holstache and rid the house of all bondage paraphernalia. I also moved my Otero Heidi Holstache items to my folks home. My trophy items were now in a green tackle box with a good lock.

I often used my folks place to hide items and also do big time bondage when they were gone on vacation. Wow. What a ship bag. And he literally calls it big time bondage, like capital letters, big time bondage, a dead straighter, gross. And he said he used to do bondage as a teenager and his parents basement, so it just like felt right You know memories now if you remember Kevin ran out the fucking front door after getting shot and head in the mouth. What about bitch?

He called the police when he escaped and the police showed up to Catherine Bright's house. Did they ready to save her? She was still alive. She managed to get them a bit of info, like she said what her name was. She said she had been stabbed. And she kept, unfortunately, she kept telling them I can't breathe. Please help me.

Then she passed out. The officer that was unseen said that there were nylon stockings tied to her wrists and around her angles and a blue scarf and thin cord were tied around her neck. When the officers searched the rest of the house, obviously the radio was blasting. Her purse was strewn out just like the Otero home, that was like his thing. And they also found two of Kevin's teeth on the floor. Holy shit. Yeah, so he literally looked shot in the mouth. I don don't eat. Yeah, I don't either. There was blood everywhere. There was blood in the truck

outside because Dennis tried to get in the fucking truck. Right. And I can't imagine being a police officer and like assembling upon a scene like this. It would just be pandemonium. It truly was. So there, I mean, they're seeing all this chaos, the blood on the truck outside, blood on the everywhere. It's just because he's sad. Blood on the everywhere. It's just, because he's blood on the everywhere. Blood on the everywhere, guys, I'm not sure. Blood on the everywhere.

Now, Katherine was rest to the hospital, but unfortunately, she passed away during surgery. Oh. She had 11 stab wounds with an eight inch hunting knife. Oh. Yeah, most of them to her torso. I'm so sad that she passed away. I know. She had 11 stab wounds with an eight-inch hunting knife. Most of them to her torso. I'm so sad that you passed away.

I know. Now, Kevin, her brother, was 19 years old. Are you kidding me? For some reason, I pictured this guy to be like a middle-aged dude. But 19 years old, and he survived. He survived being shot in the head and shot in the face where the bullet tore through his mouth and took out two of his teeth. Can you imagine though? Like you lost your sister? Oh my God. Like survivor skill. I can't imagine. And knowing how hard you fought

to try to save her. Yeah. But like, you know what, Kevin? You fought. You fucking fought. And she's proud of you. Oh my heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital and then was released like a fucking badass because fucking Kevin, man. Now, because fucking Kevin, man. Fucking Kevin, man. He gave a pretty good description of Dennis to the police.

He said he was white, maybe 25, five foot 11. He said he was kind of stocky, maybe somewhere around like 180 pounds and he had dark hair and a mustache. Five, five, four, five, five, four, five, five, four, five, five, four, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, literally just a fucking bubbling in. He was halter, a slurring. He was a fucking sweaty little bitch. Dennis said he was nervous, immediately knowing that Kevin lived. Yeah, duh. And he said he thought about,

he said he found out where Kevin's family lived. Shut up. And he thought about killing them and him. What? But he didn't. And instead wrote a detailed description of it in his diary. What?

Like what? And he also took, you know, newspaper clippings and shit of this crime as well. Uh-huh. And put it in his hidey hole. And wrote a, like, little fanfic thing about Catherine and his hidey hole too. I'm busy that day. I can't listen. Cause this dude is just like fantasy time, USA.

So he started prowling again, broken to some homes, but nothing was really fitting. And again, if you look at these two murders, mess, hot mess express mess. I mean, he planned these out. They did not go as planned. No. So so far, he's a fucking mess. It's just not working out.

So now he's trying to be a little more, like, particular with things. And he's really over any males being present in these homes. So he's trying to really make sure that there's no males. Soon after this murder, these random dudes went to the police and started telling the police that they knew who killed the Oteros.

Because you know, when shit like this happens, you always get these assholes who go to the police and are like, oh no, who did it? Or I did it, you know, false confessions. And basically these guys were setting themselves up to become suspects. Oh. This pissed Dennis off.

Really? Because he was scared they were going to get his credit. He wanted his fucking credit. Like, that's how crazy the stu does. He wanted his credit. This is why Catherine Ramzland, who's the author of this book, this is why she's so fucking brilliant. Because when she wrote him to get these like insane insights that she got from him for the book, she knew that catering to his that side of him that he needs the credit and he needs you to

like, he needs to hear from you that like you need this from him, you know, this information from him. And she knew if she catered to that, that he would just, she could get anything. And he did. he would just, she could get anything. And he did. And this same thing can be said for the insights that this, another profiler, Scott Bond got for his book, Why We Love Serial Killers, The Curious Appeal of the World's Most Savage Killers, another good book.

He knew that when he wrote Dennis, he had to appeal to his ego too, and he did. And he literally made it seem to Dennis like he needed to gain something from him. Like he was like, I need something from you. No thanks. I don't need. I need to gain knowledge from you. That's what he was basically saying. Like, you need to share your knowledge with me. That's what, no, that's what he was saying to Dennis to get this from him. And it worked like a charm. Now, Bond says that one aspect of Dennis' psyche is that his narcissism, it's so blatant that he doesn't even, he's not

even happy to call himself a serial killer. He wants to be more than that. What's more than that? He actually says, I would kill men, women, and children without hesitation. Most serial killers have a specific victim they target. So he's trying to make himself like, I'm more than a serial killer because I don't even stop at one victim. Do you want to cook you're a metal dentist? He wants something. And so he thinks he is more of an outlier or a legendary figure because he doesn't have any fucking scruples.

Well, he's not. He's killing anyone. Like, I just kill, so I'm more than that. So on October 22nd, 1974, after he found out that these guys were going to the police, trying to get the credit, Raider called Don Granger, who was a member of the editorial board for the Wichita Eagle. Well, side note, for this whole series, I signed myself up for the Wichita Eagle online account. Did you really? Because I needed more articles and they like do the, you know, you have to like sign up for it.

Yeah. But it's only 99 cents a month kids and it's a good art. It's a good newspaper. I'm screaming. So if you want to read the Wichita Eagle, it's worth it. I just only 99 cents a month kids and it's a good art. It's a good newspaper. I'm screaming. So if you want to read the Wichita Eagle It's worth it. I tell you 99 cents a month for an online access for the low price of 99 cents It can be all yours. They're not even sponsoring us. I just think they have great articles So just they sponsor this. Oh, Wichita Eagle do it So when he called this guy Don Granger, he changed his voice and he told him if he went to the public library

there was going to be a letter that was inside a book called applied engineering mechanics and he said This letter would detail the Otero murders and it would prove that the guys that were saying that they did it did not do it Now of course Don Granger immediately called the police and was like, hey, some dude just called and said, there's gonna be a letter here, maybe you wanna go check it out. Yeah. So the police went and checked it out.

In that book, they did find a letter. Oh shit. Now, the letter said, those three dude, you have and cut, now there's a lot of, you literally said dude. Those three dude you have in custody are just talking to get publicity they know nothing at all I did it by myself and

with no one's help and it's that that's all one word once help so so then he goes on to describe the otterameters in pretty graphic detail he tells them about like where he left the bodies, what conditions he left the bodies in, and he like gives things that only he would know. Right. I'm sorry this happened to the society. It hard to control myself. You probably call me psychotic with sexual perversion hang up. Where this monster enter my brain, I will never know, but it here to stay.

How does one cure himself? If you ask for help that you have killed four people, they will laugh or hit the panic button and call the cops. I can't stop it so the monster goes on and hurt me as well as society. Society can be thankful that there are ways for people like me to relieve myself at time by dead daydreams of some victim being torture and being mine.

It is big complicated game, my friend, of the monster play putting victims number down, follow them, checking up on them, waiting in the dark, waiting, waiting. The pressure is great. And sometimes he run the game to his liking. Maybe you can stop him. I can't. He has already chosen his next victim of victims. I don't know who they are yet. The next day after I read the paper, I will know, but it too late. Good luck hunting. Yours truly, guiltily. P.S. Since sex criminals do not change their MO by an orbite nature cannot do so, I will not change mine. The code words for me will be bind them, torture them, kill them. BTK. You see he added again. They will be on the next victim. He's so fucking lame that I literally

almost like threw up and rolled down the stairs and then called the police to help me with the lameness. Was he trying to sound stupid on purpose? No, I think he just throw them off. I have no idea. Like did he take an ambient before writing that? But it's so bad. I don't understand. It's so bad. He seemed tired. He seemed tired. He seemed tired while writing that. You know what, Dennis,

that wasn't your best outing. He's like trying to, like he's not using any plural words, what he needs to. I think he was also using a typewriter when he did it. So moving, he just sucked at typing on a typewriter. Wow.

So this was when he said, like this was his first, like public being like, I'm BTK. Hey guys, you know, we beat together. My name is what? My name is. So these two, so they found that. Yeah, which must have been true. And they're like, cool. So now we know we have somebody out there that does have that obviously did commit this murder. Because he has, you know, serious information that somebody that's only at the crime scene

would have. Yeah. So between the Otero murders and Catherine Bright's murder, people in Wichita were starting to fucking freak out. I would think so. And so sales for home security systems started going crazy. So Dennis got a job installing home security systems for ADT in 1974. And he would like mess them up on purpose?

Like I'll give him this, that's terrifying and brilliant. It allowed him, I mean, unprecedented access into all homes. Yeah. He probably also got like a super gross thrill at the idea that these people were taking refuge in the idea that they were going the extra mile to protect themselves, and possibly their families. And here he is, the monster they are trying to be safe from, installing the system, knowing it inside out, and getting into their homes as well. That would have made him the poetic strangling.

That would have. And that probably got him just going. Yeah. This was, every day of work was probably a great sparky day. Sparky day. Sparky day. Now his co-workers apparently thought

he was lame as fuck. I believe it. Because one of his fellow ADT employees told the Wichita Eagle that, quote, none of us liked him. He wasn't the kind of guy you wanted to get a beer with after work. Which to that, I'm like, yeah, I love that.

So at this time, Dennis was 29 years old and his wife, Paula, was 26. So they were still young. That's super young. Their oldest son, Brian, was born July 26, 1975. In 1976, he immediately started looking for hit number six. Oh, awesome. So his wife was pregnant again at this point with their second child. And he was trolling because what else do you do while your wife grows a human? I mean anything else. What else?

And her spaghetti. It was like John has done for you. Yes. Shout out to John, man. From making me spaghetti, I was in buying me spaghetti. It makes the gourmet meals, but also spaghetti. Yeah. Cause for some reason, I really wanted spaghetti.

It was well pregnant. It's weird. I know. I ate them with you. You did. I was going to say you prepared for the pain. Oh, hell yeah, I did. So Dennis didn't make anything happen in seven, 1976 as far as we know. But in 1977 was when he did find victim number six. Wow. March 17th,

1977 Shirley Vayan would be victim number six. So he had actually had another victim in mind, but she wasn't home. So Shirley had the misfortune of being completely random. Oh, okay. After not getting into the first house, he was pissed. Oh, good. So he was real pissed. He was all worked up.

He said, quote, but while I was walking away from the intended house and down hydraulic, which is a street, I saw a young boy coming back from Dillens. I figured he had a mother in the house. I had a picture in my wallet of my wife and baby, like his actual wife and baby. So I used it to pretend I was looking for them. I asked him if he had seen them. I knew he wouldn't know them. He told me he didn't, but I watched where he went. Now I wished I hadn't used that family picture. And then he said, quote, what will they think if they read about it or hear it? So he's more concerned like, so he's having a brief moment of like, what if my wife and my child know now that I used their picture in a ruse. That's interesting that he's like even

Well, well, they think of me like they'll think I'm I'm gross I bet they'll think that you're gross anyway, and it's like Dennis That's just the cherry on top of the gross Sunday. You you used their picture To go brutally murder someone That's gross. That's a gross Sunday. I don't think it's just gonna be the picture thing used their picture to go brutally murder someone. Right. That's gross. That's a gross Sunday. I don't think it's just gonna be the picture thing.

I don't think so. No. So he went to knock on the, he had watched this little boy go to a home. It's sad. And he knocked on the door of the home and the boy and his brother answered. Uh huh.

And Dennis said he was a private detective. And he said he also was carrying a briefcase that had his hit kit in there. Yeah. So he looked very official. And he immediately forced himself in. Oh no. On these two little kids. Shirley Vayanne, their mother, comes out because she's hearing this nonsense. She was wearing a robe and a night gown according to Dennis because she was homesick. Oh. Now, this is a really rough one, guys. I don't like this one.

It makes me sad. I just want to put that out. No kids are going to die in this, but they're there. Yeah, that's really fucked up. That's just so you know. Yeah, and this one, this is part of the reason why I fucking hate

Dennis Raider. I don't know how you couldn't. So in his words, quote, I told her I had a problem with sexual fantasies and I was going to tie her up. I pulled down the blinds. Yeah, like just no big deal. I pulled the blinds and turned off the TV. I said that I would tie up the kids first. They would be okay if she would cooperate with me. Oh. She was extremely nervous. I think she even smoked a cigarette.

We went back to one of the back areas of the porch. She was upset. I explained that I had done this before. I tried to tie one of the kids, but he started to cry. Oh. The kids who were six and eight years old. Oh my god. Got real upset. I said, this but he started to cry. Oh, the kids who were six and eight years. Oh, my God. Got real upset. I said, this is not going to work. I was frustrated. I decided to put the kids in the bathroom and shut the door. We put toys and blankets in

there for them. Later, it was discovered, by the way, that there was a younger female child as well. So younger than six, oh, my God, who was also putting that bathroom. So there was three kids, three of her kids in that bathroom. Mrs. Vianne helped me. She told the kids to do whatever I said. I tied the door shut. The kids were still yelling. She helped me to shove the bed against the door than I proceeded to tie her up. He said at this point, she vomited and he said, I think my being there had made her worse. Yeah. You're probably right, Dennis. I'm sure it did. You being there, imprisoning her young children in a bathroom room, will you attempt to tie her up and murder her?

That would probably make her feel a little sick. You're right. Your skills of observation are little sick. You're right. Your skills of observation are muah. So she was part, he says, quote, she was partially tied when I got her glass of water and comforted her a bit. Oh, you fucking junk. And then he says, get ready. This compassion runs in most of my crimes, and I see that in cold blood. As Smith, I believe, reties Mr. Clutter, asking him if he is cold, and then later on kills him without mercy. In the Otero's house, I laid a coat or parka down for Mr. Otero, because he had been in a car accident and his ribs were still sore. I originally had taped and tied all of them up, and when they complained about it being too tight, I retied them. When

I placed the bag over Junior's head, Mrs. Otero was completely upset more for him than her husband, so I removed it to think things over. With Shirley Vianne, I placed the kids in the bathroom with blankets, toys, and books to try to comfort them. Now, why would I be so nice and then turn to murder? I guess I use the victim's comfort zone to gain control and trust and above all else their ease. So he's literally like, you know, it's funny. Because I can be super nice and like offer a glass of water or like put a pillow under them when I feel like, oh, they're uncomfortable. Why do I do that? And you think it's gonna be like, maybe I have some compassion? He's like, no. It just makes it easier to murder than

because then they think that I'm a nice guy. Well, that's fucked up. Like that's like a roller coaster, right? Because I'd, I'm like, what are you getting at? Like are you saying you have some kind of weird humanity? No. I thought that's where you were going. I did too.

When I first read it, I was like, are you gonna sit there and try to tell me you have humanity? No, he's not. He's like, this just makes things easier. He's like, no, I just, I gained their trust and their comfort. And then I can murder them better. It's like, cool. That's even scarier. It's horrifying. It's really okay. Maybe this dude is just like going to do this and then go because it would, because it would

make you for a brief moment, think like, can I get out of this? If I just appeal to that? No, no, no, no matter what you do to appeal to that, you're not getting out of it. Oh shit. So then he apparently taped her hands behind her back and he said this was very exciting to him. Okay, we get it done. And he tied her legs to the bedpost and he, I think he like roped all the way up her legs. And then he said, what was left? I looped around her neck. I put a bag over her head and I strangled her. Jesus Christ. He also said that the kids were banging on the door, screaming for him to leave their mother alone. Oh my God. No. And he screamed back at them that he was going to shoot them if he didn't shut up. If they didn't shut up.

Oh my God. This is why I fucking hate Dennis Raider. It's like not only is he this disgusting piece of shit that murders innocent women, he like involves kids. Yeah. I don't. He has like no, I mean, I'm not saying a lot of serial killers have standards, but like his, his are null and void.

Yeah. He said at one point, he said that he fucking considered hanging those kids like Joseph. Oh my God. But he said he didn't have time. He's a fucking mom that he didn't have time. Like what? Yeah. So he took her underwear and left and left her three kids. Yeah. So he took her underwear and left. And left her three kids, fearless. Yeah. So and he goes into a big thing about how he liked to keep the victims underwear, that was one of his things. And he would hide it at home. That's where he would have his fantasies.

He would wear them to pictures of himself. Ew. Yeah. And he said, quote, I would relive the day or start a new fantasy. I would don the victims underwear, slips, panties, hosiery, sexy housecoats. I would wear a wig and sometimes a mask and put myself into bondage as if I were the victim and finally do self gratification.

Ew. Yeah. And those are the pictures I'm talking about where he would like literally take pictures of himself dressed in like these negliges with wigs on and masks on and make up and like bags on his head and shit. Yeah. That is dark. So dark. That is the darkest. Well, the two sons of Shirley's the six and the eight yearthe-eight-year-olds, had broken out of the bathroom. They broke a window and they ran to the neighbors who called the police. When they found Shirley, she was nude face down on the bed. Black electrical tape was wrapped over her arms and ankles, and a white cord was holding her hands behind her back. Another white cord was wrapped around her neck four times, and that's the one that ran all the way down her back. Another white cord was wrapped around her neck four times.

And that's the one that ran all the way down her body. Oh my God. Yeah. Now, when the store, unfortunately, when this whole thing came out, Dennis was worried, he was like those kids saw me. No, what I look like. They couldn't really help with the description. They were too young and they were too scared.

And I think they were too, yeah, they were too fucking traumatized. Right. Like beyond. How did they fucking come back from that? Now, Dennis wasn't happy about this one because again, it was messy. It did not go the way he was planned. So he wrote a poem about it. No, no, no. Because, all right, I got to hear it because he's Dennis.

Are you ready? A poem about Shirley. Shirley locks, Shirley locks. Will that be mine? Thou shalt not scream. Not yet feel the line, but lay on a cushion and think of me and death, and now it is going to be. That was the dumbest fucking poem I've ever heard. It had minimal effort, I would give it a D minus.

I would give that like an F minus. That didn't even make sense. That's a Z minus. And it was a rip off of Goldilocks. Yes, which like really does. So with that poem, we're gonna leave you for part three. I have to be honest, I can't wait for this bullshit to be over. Yeah, I don't like him.

I hate him. I hate him. I don't like him. I hate him. I hate him. I don't like him. I hate him. I don't like him.

I hate him. I don't like him. I hate him. I don't like him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I killer way. I'm just like that was a whole different and horrified and like I like okay Dennis like you suck kind of way. Dennis is just a whole ball that's just wrapped with like excruciating dorkiness just over just a try hardness. Yeah. But also evil fucking just depths of hell shit. Weird.

But it's such a lousy. I can't. There's just so much. And when it comes to like the kids, yeah, that I just have no fucking patience. It's like he's already murdered kids ruthlessly. Oh, and then these ones he was ready to. He was gonna string them up. I don't wanna say that it's like worse that he didn't, but like, but he left them with this. It's almost like the same level, either way.

You know what I mean? It really is. It's the same level of fucked up. Like think about what he just left them with for the rest of their lives. Yeah, like you will never ever, ever be the same. It's like they were literally that soul murder. That is soul murder. That's straight up.

So that's like, but you know what? I I hope those kids are like thriving. Yeah, so too. I bet they and they can put up a Middle finger and be like, fuck you, Dennis. Both of their middle fingers. All of their middle fingers. Every single one. All of them. So we are on victim number six of 10. So they have four, four left. We're going to cover them all in part three. Don't worry, we're going to wrap this up in part three. And we're going to get into, so we'll get into his last four murders. We'll talk about those.

And we will also talk about the giant lull that he took between his last murder and reappearing, which is called the amazing way he got caught. So stay tuned because the third installment is going to be just like Chef's kiss at the end. I mean, it's going to be rough up until then. Yeah, but once he's got, he once, once he's got, got, it's amazing. You go get got got. So stay tuned for part three.

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