Morbid - Episode 88: Dennis Rader "BTK" Part 3

Episode Date: August 24, 2019

It's finally here! The final chapter of our Dennis Rader saga has arrived and this one is the longest yet. In this crescendo, we will take you through his final murders, his 10 year downtime and his eventually resurfacing and capture. It's been real but holy hell are we happy to be done with Dennis. Get out of my head, you loser.  Promo: Parcast’s new Daily true crime podcast,  “Today In True Crime” now on Spotify See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey weirdos, my name's Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid. Sure is. And I wanted to throw you off by saying my name, Zah. Instead of I'm not. We're crazy to make us. Welcome to part three of Dennis Reader aka aka idiot face mcgooks exactly

It's been a long haul and this is the end. This might be the longest installment yet This episode is going to be four and a half hours long. Yeah, it's a long one. This episode is going to be a Harry Potter movie. But you know what? When we get to the end, it's going to be worth it. It's been worth it the whole time. We get closure at the end. We're like, yeah, I've had closure the whole way through because it's been so fun just making fun of this dingus face. If you have not joined the Facebook group yet, If you have not joined the Facebook group yet, you're in the Facebook group and see the absolute just debauchery that has occurred at BTK's expense. It is so funny. All the memes that you guys are brilliant.

Killing the game, no pun intended. I can't even pick my favorite one. No, and we're trying, and somebody, some beautiful angel made a whole thread of all of them So they're all in one spot. Oh my god. I love it. And it's like a BTK Dinosaurator mash up with mean girls and it's it every single one is better than the other it like I'm dying What if we sent them to BTK? I I kind of want to can somebody do that. Yeah, we should do that. Let's do it. Let's do it Well, before we start in on this Jackweed I kind of want to can somebody do that. Yeah, we should do that. Let's do it. Let's do it. Well, before we start in on this Jackweed, um, Jackweed, I just wanted to, we have just one thing to cover, one thing quickly. Uh, we just want to remind you that we still have tickets for our second

live show, which is on November 19th, 2019. And it is at AS 220 main stage in Providence, Rhode Island. Um, tickets are on sale right now. There's still a good amount left. So go go boom up. And you can get them at event bright. Yes. You can just go on there and search morbid, a true crime podcast live or you can go on to our Instagram and I've put the link for the event page for the tickets in our bio. So go get them. It's gonna be awesome. It's the week before Thanksgiving. We'll do something sick and we're gonna stay after same deal. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Okay extra for a meet and greet. No way. We're just there. That's crazy.

We're just gonna hang to the extreme afterwards. A few people had messages asking because for the October one, we're doing like the spooky background of Halloween. Yeah. But for this one, it's most likely going to be like a true crime case. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's just going to be a true crime case. But you know what? We don't know. We'll let you know. When we know, we'll hit you up. We'll do it. So without further ado, let's get into it. Let's get back into Dennis. Shall we?

Dennis. Fucking Dennis. D. Nice. So when we last left you, we left you on the pretty awful murder of Shirley Vianne. That was a rough one. But we ended on the, even the equally as awful poem he wrote about the events.

Oh God, his poem sucks. So now we are at his next because he doesn't wait very long between, like, between kills. No. He's, he's real hungry. He's real feisty all the goddamn time. He's just a big old doofus But before I do this, I just want to say that there's another really great resource for info about Dennis There's like photos lots of evidence photos and stuff

And it's a website called survivingbtk.webly.com And they have it like all laid out in chapters of his life They've really gone like very thorough, very well organized. I got some of my information from there. So go check them out because they've done like shit tons of legwork. So in, we're in 1977 now. Welcome everybody. I've never been there before. Yeah, it's this 1977 is not awesome. I don't want to go there. Dennis is looking for his next victim already.

Awesome. He's fresh off a surely and he's ready for the next one. This was going to be victim number seven. And in his words, he referred to this next one as PJ Fox, Foxtail or Fox Hunt. Why PJ? PJ is his abbreviation, his brief, for project. Oh, okay.

That's stupid. And in his own words from the Catherine Ramzland letters, he said, quote, there are three letters in Fox's name. It sounds similar to sex in the Fox's hard to catch. She looked very smart, so I had to outsmart her. The date was also close to the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and this was a sneak attack.

December is also the year coming to an end, and winter is the end of the life cycle. A lot of things were right about this hit. Okay. Number one, fox and sex don't sound like at all. Besides the fact that they have three letters and an X, that's it. That's all they have. They do not sound like it all. Besides the fact that they have three letters and an X, that's it. That's all they have.

Like they do not sound like this. They don't. Maybe you should get hooked on phonics again. They really don't. But he's so obsessed with that. In fact, and we'll see later, he uses another like alias name. I believe it's Rex and it's because it rhymes with sex.

And it's like, I'm sorry. Are you 12? Are you 12 year old boy? Right? Like, okay, Dennis. Cause he's literally like, Tee he, he gets sex.

He gets sex. Like the fuck off. Dude, of which you are getting none, so chill. Like he must not have been. Oh, it's like, come on. Oh yeah, yeah. Um, in his court testimony, which we're gonna play later,

a quick clip from that, as it was after he had pleaded guilty, which spoiler alert, he was guilty. So that was? Yeah, crazy. No way. He went into, I mean, like, disgustingly cold detail, and he just coldly confessed to the gruesome details

of each of his murders. So he went over the night of December 8th, 1977, which is the night he killed 25-year-old Nancy Fox. Dennis said he had been trolling for a while and that he happened to see her going into her home one night. Now, side note, this is what is truly scary about Dennis. He would just see you and just fixate on you. Oh. It was just something about you. He would just see you and just fixate on you. It was just something about you.

That would like... And all he had to do was see you once. And if he fixated, that was it. You were it. And he could just see you like out at your mailbox or just getting into your car. So it's like doing mundane things, everyday things, you never think someone's watching you. He's fucking watching it. Well, how many times do you see like so many people throughout the day doing that? And like you're just like the unlucky one that he visited on. And it's like you don't think walking out to your car that someone's staring at you and watching you.

No, I'm gonna know. And sizing you up to maybe stock you for months and then murder you in your house. This podcast has made me live my life in fear. Yeah, I book it. I think that's done that to a lot of people. I know, literally I got out of my car and I just run into it. Yeah, it's so fun. It's all that smart man because this Dennis is out in the world.

I know good. Now during the confession in court, the judge interrupted him at one point and asked him to clarify what trolling meant. I don't blame him because I think at first he thought he said patrolling and he was like, were you working? Like, were you like a security officer? And honestly, anyone who sees this can see that Dennis is just fucking tickled that he gets to explain his serial killer lingo to everybody in court. Like, you can tell he's like, no, well, let me explain. He's being such a minkus about it. Oh, he's such a homicidal minkus. So you can see how ridiculous he is.

He answers, quote, it's called stalking or trolling. And then he says, if you've read that, if you've read much about serial killers, they go through different phases. That's one of the phases that they go through. It's a, is a trolling stage. Basically, you're looking for a victim at that time. And you could be trolling for months or years. And once you lock in on a certain person, it becomes stalking. There could be several of them, but you really hone in on that one person. That's, they basically become, that's, that's the victim. Oh, wow. Thank you for that. That's beautiful explanation. And this is what he said in court, after he pled guilty in front of victim's families, explaining to the court,

let me explain to you what a piece of shit I am and how I go through my process. He's just such a bizarre person. And the best part was after he went through that whole thing, like, well, it's called the trilling stage. If you know anything about serial killers, you know that they do this. After that, the judge was like,

no, I thought you said puttrolling. I was just wondering if you were working. And he was like, Oh, no, this wasn't on my work hours. So it's like this old like, you're just like, fuck it. Dennis. He gets like so excited to explain it. And then the guy's like, yeah, the job's like, buddy, the judge is like, not just.

He said, he said, he's so. So he said, once he locked in on Nancy, he did his homework. He stopped by to look in her mailbox to see her name and where she worked. Oh, that's so creepy that anyone can just look at your fucking mailbox. Yeah. Falonius on all accounts. I hate mail. He basically says that the more he could find out about the person, the better, obviously,

because obviously this makes some kind of twisted sense because it allows for more personalized ruses for him to use to be allowed in, if that's the route he's going to take because he would do different things. And it also just allows them to gain him to gain their trust better because it allows him to become more personal with them and understand what they might want to hear. So as stupid and fucking dumb and bumbling and fucked up as he is, he has these like methods that you're like, fuck, that makes sense. Like I hate that you're like kind of smart there. Right.

Like it's like, ugh. So on the night of December 8th, 1977, So on the night of December 8th, 1977, Dennis parked his car a few blocks away from Nancy's home at 843 South Pershing. He thought this number was pretty neat because it had a three in it. Remember, he loves the number three. He's really three for me. Yeah.

And now back to this jagweed. Let's give it a bad boot up. Yeah. He knocked on her door because he said he wanted to make sure that no one was home. After all, he had stalked her enough to know when she arrived home. So he wasn't looking for her to answer the door. Right. No one answered. So he just went around back. He cut the phone lines because that's a shit. He then just broke in and just fucking waited in her kitchen. Just like hung out in his kitchen. Just sat on her kitchen.

Like what do you think on a kitchen chair? He said he liked to drink glasses of water while he sat in people's homes. Interesting. And then he would wash the glass and be like, Teehee, like that was his little thing. That's so stupid. He, now he had practiced this one to make sure

it didn't go awry like like the previous ones. Yeah. Because remember all his other ones, unfortunately they were successful. They were fucking bumbling. Like he bumbled, he missed or beamed his way through all of those. Like the girl whose brother was whole. Exactly. Didn't he not think that the dad was going to be home the Oterodad? Yeah, he had no idea that he was going to be home.

I mean, like there was so many things. So he said he had an old window in the shed at home that was like Nancy's window. And he had practice cutting glass with a glass cutter to like get in there quick, easy, and without any noise. Wow. So he says, quote, on a B, which is breaking and entering, is a powerful feeling as you enter someone's territory. The smell and fixtures surround you. And there are unexplored parts of the house with treasures to find and keep. It is a violation to them. Yes. Sort of mental rape. I can completely understand why burglars are attracted to it. Jesus Christ. He's so gross. He's like, not my MO, but I get it.

I get why people want to mentally rape people. I'm like, what the fuck? I hate you, that's dark. So Nancy comes in and she's obviously very startled to see yeah, fucking Dennis sitting at her kitchen table. One might figure. So he just tells her he had a sexual issue and he needed to tie her up.

He needed to have sex with her and he needed to take a few pictures, but that he wasn't gonna kill her. Oh my god. I'd say I'm not gonna hurt you, but that's hurting you. Right. She was upset according to him. Obviously, she was like, what the fuck do you sense? Like, you're not just gonna be like, oh, okay. All right, as long as you're not gonna kill me. And the two of them began talking a bit like he was trying to calm her down. He said eventually they sat across from each other in the living room and she started smoking a cigarette. But he was trying to keep her chill by acting like she was going to live through this or

deal. He's just talking to her. He's like, Yeah, dude, like I'm really sorry. I'm just this like fucked up sexual guy. I need to take pictures so I can jack a later. That's all this is. And she's sitting there being like, and he said while they were sitting there, he did go through her purse and he picked out a few things he wanted to steal like her license and all that because he steals all their licenses. That's like his thing. Right. He said at some point she said, and he said this in his court testimony and in the letters to a Catherine Ramzend, he said,

quote, she said, well, let's get this over with so I can go call the police, which I'm like, what a bad bitch. You I love that. Like I love that she's just like, you know what, let's just get this over with. So I can call the fucking police on your ass. You did generate. But he said she sealed her doom for sure on that one because when he said she said she was going to call the police, I wasn't wearing a mask. And he was like, even if I fuck you, he was going to kill her. And he was like, yeah, he was like even if I wasn't going to kill her, I had to kill her now. And it's like, uh, you know,

she then asked if she could go to the bathroom. And he said yes, but he propped it open so she couldn't make any moves Like he wanted to be able to see what she was doing He told her to come out naked and he addressed himself which makes me shudder so hard That I am fairly certain that my great grandkids are going to feel chills from this knowledge They won't know what those chills are from but but one day they will just shudder like a shake weight. And it's, and it's from this knowledge of Dennis just standing there naked, waiting for someone. Yeah. Now it's nuts as she came out still wearing a pink sweater, I believe it was. And he went to remove it. And she was like, please don't. And he was like, okay. Oh, that's sad. Yeah.

And in his words, he said, she asked that I leave the bedroom door open, which I did. This relates to other times when I respected a victim's request. Like, oh, you're great. Like, so much for doing that. Like, he has to point out like this, like, oh, see,

I am a human, I think. I'm a nice guy. He's like, I think I might be human guys. No, I don't think so though. No. So he handcuffter with handcuffs he brought with him, with her hands behind her back, which just like gives me the heaps I can't. And he had her land the bed and he tied her feet. According to his letters to Catherine Ramzland, he said, quote, I asked if she had ever had sex in the butt with her boy. Ugh.

I had no intention of normal rape sex or even sodomy. I wore no condom at the time. So actually, to me, it was like mental rape or mental sodomy. That's all I needed with a victim in bondage, the act of strangling, brought that gratification quickly along with the victim struggling. He is so gross. He's so far into like monster land. It's just unbelievable because like that's, so he's

making her think I'm gonna rape you. Right. I'm gonna satanize you. So now she's freaking out and he's like, Oh, but I don't need to do that. All I need to do is strangle her. Well, that's the last thing she's expecting because all she thought, Oh, God. Yeah, because he made her think and he's acting very like,

you know, gonna rape you and he's also going along with requests, like, please don't take this off and he's like, Okay, please leave the door open. Okay. Like he's acting very like chill. I'm all right. So she's probably thinking like, Oh, yeah. And that's his thing is he wants them to feel like they're okay. That's part

of the whole thing that he gets like status. Because then when he goes to actually kill them, they're probably like, they're so shocked. Yeah. Like wild. Exactly. Ew, that's so creepy. I don't even want to understand. I know it's awful. I didn't want to. I didn't want to either. Why did I understand that? Why did we do that? Oh, so in court, he said he merely climbed on top of her at this time and strangled her with about. To Catherine Ramzland and to the police, he said, quote, Fox passed out. I had her come back and I whispered in her ear a bit. I told her I was BTK, I was a bad guy. This was the torture thing. You can visualize being tied up and knowing that something is going to happen to you and you can do nothing. That's my torture. Now to me, the fact that he said in court, I just strangled her with a belt and that seems

to be what he does is he strangles pretty quick. Yeah. And then he's telling the police and in like these letters for me. That I brought her back and I whispered in her ear, I'm a beauty cam, a bad guy. And also, I don't believe in nothing to her because it had it even been printed yet. Exactly. No, it hadn't.

She's like your burger. So she's like, excuse me. And I don't think it happens. Right. I think he's just trying to toughen up his shit. I think he's trying to like fluff up his stories, which you know what? To that, I say, fuck you, sir. Um, so he then said he unhand cuffed her and retied her hands with pantyhose and took the belt off her neck and then retied her neck with pantyhose. This was all for like the look of it. Like he did this all he never left the handcuffs on or the belts. He didn't like how that looked. He liked

how it looked in the moment. But if you once he was going to take pictures, he liked the aesthetic of the Nylon's and all that. Those pictures are fucking right. Exactly. It's for his own fantasy. He then went through the home to take some of her things, which is what he does, he does have a very specific routine that he takes here. Basically, he's just looking for like clothing, jewelry, feminine things that he can use later. He also grabbed her license. He poured himself a glass of water. He turned up the heat and then he left because remember he turns up the time of time and death, which I didn't know was the possibility. Yeah, and it's crazy. And in his own words, all this was done while she was quote dying on the bed.

Nice. Which it's like, fuck, dude. Now, as for the jewelry that he took from her home, he considered giving some of it to his wife. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, it's even worse. Oh, it's even worse. He said, quote, I thought, no, I'm not going to give it to his wife. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, it's even worse. That's horrible. Oh, it's even worse. He said, quote, I thought, no, I'm not going to give it to my wife.

That's too cruel. Yeah. I thought about giving it to my daughter once, and I maybe did give it to my daughter. But I don't think so. I think I still have it. The fact that he's like, yeah, I might have given it to my young daughter. Like I gave a dead woman who might kill her it to my young daughter. Like I gave a dead woman who might kill her jewelry to my young daughter.

And then he's like, yeah, I could have done that. So it's too cruel to give it to your wife, but you gave it, you maybe gave it to your wife. But you maybe, you're like, you know what, there's a distinct possibility that I gave it to my young daughter. Like that. Like wow.

And I feel like he got off on that somehow. Yeah. Like seeing it, like seeing it worn everyday and stuff. That would be a whole other level. All your daughter though. Yeah. Or your wife. It's he's so beyond now.

Now remember Dennis is an attention seeker of the highest order. Yeah. Mingus. And so the next morning at around 815, while he was with his crew at work getting breakfast, he just couldn't take it anymore. So he took a moment to go to a pay phone and he called the police.

Yes, he reported this murder because he was too eager to wait for it to happen naturally. Like he literally left her house, went to work and was like, I just got to send people there. I need people to see it. Wow. Like what? So he said he covered the receiver

and like kind of muffled and disguised his voice. And he said, quote, yes, you will find a homicide at 843 South Pershing, Nancy Fox. And then he just left the phone dangling off the hook. And they trace the phone call. Obviously. And he said that he didn't know why he left the phone off the receiver. He said he didn't even think it was like a conscious decision. He said, quote, I don't know, perhaps nervous or delay, but it could be traced. Maybe it was a cat and mouse move.

Probably a thing you do in your younger, and if you think things out and you wouldn't do it now. Which it's like, yeah, that's something I often did in my youth. I always left the receiver dangling off the hook when I found myself desperate for attention after I brutally murdered another human being. Yes, it's just something you do in're young. That's like youth shit. It's like that a del song. When we we all it's just youths. We left the phone dangling off the hook up.

She's just someone's fine. Yeah. Hashtag young and like just kids being kids. Just kids being kids. Now nothing happened and know like obviously they went to the house they found here. Right. But nothing happened.

No one considered him a suspect. Nothing was really going crazy. There was media coverage, but it was kind of like small. It just wasn't what he wanted. So in January 31st, 1978, he sent a copy of his Shirley locks, remember the Shirley van Poh, poem to the Wichita Eagle. Remember the thing that you can get for 99 cents a month if you want.

Oh, yeah, I've never seen that. Unlimited articles and it's good. And didn't you get that I did a pay for it. It's worth it. So there wasn't any news coverage of it though, like the Shirley locks poem being sent there. And he was pissed. Because he was like, I just sent you this poem. And I wrote it myself.

Yeah, I wrote it myself. It's great. So he composed another letter and sent it to KAKE TV, with cake TV, which I know, which is the local news station. Now, the Wichita Eagle and cake TV got the most shit during BTK's reign because he liked their coverage. Right. And he's just like, I like they covered my shit when I wanted them to. So they got it all. Oh, good. And he also had like a weird like sexual obsession with one of the anchors on cake TV. So he liked that she was reporting. Yeah. So I think it gave him like a little sparky, big, sparky big time, you know. Yeah. Now, the letter that he sent to cake TV was signed BTK. And he talked about how he murdered the Oteros, Nancy Fox, and Shirley Vianne.

And he also mentioned an unidentified kill that we now know was Catherine Bright. Okay. But he didn't, he like, he mentioned it and connected himself to it, but they, he didn't say her name. Right. He also included a drawing of a woman who is bound and gagged with another fucking poem. This one's entitled, Oh, Death to Nancy. Oh, good.

And this is how it went. What is it that, what is this that I can see? Cold icy hands taking hold of me? For death has come, you all can see. Hell has opened, it's gate to trick me. Oh, death. Oh, death. Can't you spare me over for another year? I'll stuff your jaws till you can't talk. I'll stuff your jaws till you can't talk.

I'll blind your legs till you can't walk. I'll tie your hands till you can't make a stand. And finally, I'll close your eyes so you can't see. I'll bring sexual death onto you for me. What is sexual death? Psst. I don't know, it sounds gnarly though. I don't want any part of it.

I just don't want it. I do not want any part of it. Now along with that, you know, amazing. You're on the shit. He also sent a letter. Oh, this is what the letter said. I find the newspaper not writing about the poem on Vianne, unamusing.

A little paragraph would have been enough. I know it. Now there's a lot of grammatical errors in spelling errors. So bear with me. So I'm so old. Just because it's really bad. I know it not the news media fault. The police chief, he keeps things quiet and doesn't let the pubic public know there's a psycho running around, lose, strangling, mostly women. There's seven in the ground, who will be next? How many do I have to kill before I get a name in the paper or some national attention? Do the cops think that all those deaths are not related?

Golly G, yes, the M.O. is different in each, but look, a pattern is developing. The victims are tied up. Most have been women, phone cut, bring some bondage, made or sadist tendencies, no struggle. Outside the death spot, no witness except the Vian's kids. The death spot. Yeah. Wow. The death spot. They were very lucky. A phone call saved them. I was going to tape the boys and put plastic bags over their head like I did Joseph and Shirley and then hang the girl. God, oh God, what a beautiful sexual relief that would have been. Josephine when I hung her really turned me on. Ew. Her pleading for mercy when the rope took whole. She helpless, staring at me with wide

terror, filled eyes, the rope getting tighter tighter tighter. You don't understand these things because you're not under the influence of factor X. Oh my God. The same thing that made son of Sam Jack the Ripper Harvey Glamon Boston Strangler, Dr. H H Holmes, Panty O Strangler, Florida, Hillside Strangler, Ted of the West Coast, which is what he called Ted Bundy. Ted of the West Coast. Are you shitting me? Like nothing else is funny about this, but we give him the biggest bird. He'd be like, no, he would give him an atomic wedgie. Yeah. Now, in many more infamous character kill, which seems senseless, but we cannot help it. There is no help, no cure, except death or being caught and put away. It is a terrible nightmare, but you'd see I don't lose any sleep over it.

After a thing like Fox, I come home and go about life like anyone else, and I will be like that until the urge hits me again. It's not continuous, and I don't have a lot of time. I'll take time to set a kill, one mistake and it's all over. Since I about blew it on the phone, handwriting is out, letter guide is too long and typewriter can be chased too. He makes a letter. My short poem of death and maybe a drawing later on real picture and maybe a tape of the sound will come your way. drawing later on real picture and maybe a tape of the sound will come your way.

Who? How will you know me before murder or murders, you will receive a copy of the initials BTK. You keep that copy. The original will show up someday on guess who? May you not be the unlucky one. PS here's where he gave all the names, suggestions. PS, how about some name for me? It's time.

Seven down and many more to go. I like the following. How about you? Oh my God. The BTK Strangler, Wichita Strangler, poetic Strangler, the bondage Strangler, or psycho. The Wichita Hangman, the Wichita Executioner, the Grot Phantom, the Asphyxiateer.

He is a fucking loser. Yeah. And after that, he also listed each victim and how they were found in very specific crime scene details. They knew that he was talking about. Oh, this fucking loser is the guy? Like, really? Awesome. Oh, God. Now, things quieted down for a little bit after this, and he kept doing like petty thefts and breaking in an earrings. No real quote-unquote projects panned out for him, but he was trolling. I thought he meant PJs. PJs.

No real PJs. No real PJs. No real PJs. Just trolling. And he was just like living his life basically for when his wife was out so that he could dress up in women's items and film himself in an auto erotic asphyxiation post. Excuse me, I just threw up all over the place.

Exactly. On June 13th, 1978, their daughter, Carrie, was born. Okay. So their second child. During this whole time, he was obsessively learning about all serial killers at the time. Like Ted of the Leskos. Like Ted of the less coast. Ted of the less coast.

He was also very, until like, Gacy and the hillside stranglers who were around during this time. So it was all like in his face, basically. Now, April 28, 1979, 63 year old Anna Williams came back to her home later one night to find that someone had clearly broken in. Her phone lines were cut. No wires and shit were left around. No one was there, though.

June 15th comes around. She gets a package that's actually addressed to her dead husband. Oh, God, that's really awful. And in it is a photocopied poem. it is a photocopied poem. I think there was like drawings of like naked, you know, bound and gagged women, which is what he loved to do. He would like do a drawing of a bound and gagged woman, or he would put a like magazine picture of a like some chick, he thought was hot and he would draw like gags and findings on her. Wow. Yeah. Oh, and in the package was also her own scarf that he had taken from her house.

And a piece of her own jewelry he had taken from her. I would move away. Now that poem that was in there is that Oh Anna, why didn't you appear? No. Yeah. Remember the one we talked about, like I think it was part one.

Now he sent similar package with photocopies of all the actual items that were in that two cake TV. Okay. So he wanted both of them to get it. Now apparently it was actually Anna's granddaughter Rebecca, who was like 24 years old, that was the intended target. So he thought Anna's granddaughter was her. Okay, okay. That's why he's like super. He was went through the whole thing. It wasn't for

poor 63 year old Anna, but yeah. So she didn't nobody died, but that all happened. Now a create, this is just like a crazy side thing because he was saying how he loved this. He was upset about this one because the Anna thing didn't work out. He really was looking forward to that project. Bada Bada. But he said he did love freaking them the fuck out like that. I mean, yeah. Just ruining their worlds.

Because now they're fucked your world up. They know someone's been in their house. Like, they're getting, yeah. I hate that more than anything. And he said that he also during this time used to get great pleasure in scribbling BTK was here on men's bathrooms, like men's bathroom walls are mirrors when he was out in drunk,

like a straight up 14 year old in the high school bathroom. Exactly. But also I'm like, where are those? That's true. Like someone in which a dog will find that just, yeah, but I bet how many cops are there. That's true. In 1983, his son Brian became a Cub Scout

and Dennis Eagle Scout and Eagle Cub Scout. And Dennis became a Scout leader. Oh. seems like the perfect job for him, right? No, no, not at all. Correct answer. I'll take no for 3000 Alex. And this comes back later. Just so you know. And being an eagle scout. Yeah, precisely. Okay. In 1984, he noticed one of his neighbors who he saw all the time. This was a neighbor like literally a couple houses down, saw her all the time, and he just noticed her all of a sudden. No, great. That's what you want. Yeah, her name was Marine Hedge, and she was 53 years old. Uh-huh. And she was adorable. No. Yeah. I don't want that. He said she often smiled and waived to him. No.

And he said, quote, I thought about what her neck would look like with rope around it. Jesus Christ. Which kind of good morning, Dennis? It kind of like. And she, and he's like, wouldn't you look pretty with rope around your neck? Doesn't this remind you of Ed Kemper?

When he said, sometimes I see a pretty girl, and I think I want to take her out on a date. Other times I think wow her head would look good on a stick. Yep. He's just like mimicking other serial killers. So that's it's just kind of like a funny coincidence that he used it. He used that phrase. Right, right, right. So he said she did have a male friend who came around sometimes, but he wasn't very concerned about that. She was definitely next. No. He called this one Project Cookie and Project D Flower.

Why? D Flower because he often saw her when she was out gardening, and he also liked gardening. So flower, you know, that's horrific. Yep. So April 26, 1984, Dennis went to scout camp to help set up because they were going on a camping trip. No.

Yes. Yes. He said, quote, that day I parked up on the hill off the roadside near the camp so I could leave and come back unnoticed. I had my hit kit in a bowling bag. I had brought, I had bought it at garage sale. I'd keep, I had kept it in the workshop. He said he told the leaders and the scouts that he had a headache. So he was going to go to sleep early that night. Uh-huh. This is when he left. He went and changed into different clothing, drove to a bowling alley, pretended to bowl. What? Why? It's just like an alibi kind of thing.

Right. Right. Right. Then he splashed beer in his mouth and on his face to appear drunk and called the cab. Why did he want to appear drunk? Because he wanted this cab driver to think he was just a drunk guy who needed a ride home. Okay. He went, you went too far. Like, this is just too much. Yeah. This is like what? He made the cab guy let him out because he said he told him that he needed some air. Please let me out. So the guy let him out and he walked to Marine's house. So he basically needed that cab to drive him far or enough away to where he could walk. Okay. Now he cut the phone lines and broken

to her home. She wasn't there. Okay. He said immediately he heard a car pull in when he got in the house and two people approaching the house. So he ran. So he immediately ran to a bedroom. This is where he hid in the fucking closet. No. Now this, this is the one that like, shut, it just gives me straight up chills. Yeah. This is also why I check all of my fucking closets before I go to bed and why my husband's like, you're insane.

Calm down. No, I do that too. And I'm like, no Dennis might be in there. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Now, Marine and her male friend were there visiting for over an hour while Dennis hid in the closet while drink that in. Like, they're hanging out, talking, doing their thing, and he's in the fucking closet watching them.

Do you know what I just thought of? That's why I don't wear socks, Because my shoes all stink and there's no way anyone could last an hour in the closet. I was really wondering where you were going with that. That's why I don't wear socks. That's a good reason not to wear socks. B-T-K. Well, it gets worse. He then waited until in his words to the judge when he was discussing this whole thing at his court appearance.

He said, quote, he waited until the wee hours of the morning to walk into her room and flick on her bathroom lights as she slept. So he waited over that hour that she was using with her friend. Yep. So she like got ready, went to bed, fell asleep, and then he waited a little longer until she was asleep and then walked into her room and flicked on the light. What the actual fuck? Yeah, he said she screamed immediately, which of course. And he just jumped on the bed and manually strangled her. Like this poor woman wakes up out of dead sleep to a light being flicked on,

a man who she recognizes. Her neighbor. Because that's the other thing. She probably looked and was like, what? Like, why the fuck are you in my room in the middle of the night? And then he just jumps on her bed and manually strangles her. Wow. And she's, she can see him.

She knows who this is. Right. Like, that's even worse. He said he was, you know, feeling kind of sexy. So he stripped of this poor woman immediately afterwards, handcuffed her hands behind her back and placed her on a blanket. He then took Polaroids of her,

which I accidentally saw online. Oh, no. When I was, and this was honestly an accident, I don't recommend looking for them because it's really sad and awful. Yeah. I wasn't looking for them. I was just looking up information about her and this crime scene and they popped up and

I can't unsee them. So that's awful. Do with that what you will. I'm sure. Yeah, it's no good. So he says after he put her on the blanket, he got a glass of water and looked through her personal stuff like he always does. And he makes sure to say that this is that it's his trademark to grab water, like after the thing that he says

it several times. And he stole her license. What a lame thing, right? I got a glass of water. And he loves to say it. Like he's like, that was kind of my thing. And it's like hydration. So edgy Dennis. Such a fucking edge master, Dennis. He then moved her outside to the trunk of her own car. Oh, when he talked about moving her, this is just like a little side thing. When he talked about moving her body, he mentioned in the Ram's Land book, how hard it was, like he was surprised at how hard it was. He said, quote, it's like a concrete box. This was the first time I had ever actually moved a body. I worried about my, I worried about my back as I lifted her out of the trunk. Like, bitch, I move bodies for living by myself. You truly are a tiny little wisp of a man in every way I

imagine, well, huh? And why? Why was he moving her body? Because he was putting her in the trunk of his car. But like, why? Why was he moving her like, and he didn't move victims before? He just decided to switch it up. That's weird. What you want explanations? I don't fucking know. I mean, I don't want to get in this. I don't fucking know why he does. The time you have explanations for I don't have one for that mean, I don't want to get in this. I don't fucking know why he does. Well, it's the time you have explanations for that. I don't have one for that one, but I'm going to quickly play the clip of him describing

this part of the night act. Yeah, and it's just during his court appearance where he just nonchalantly is talking about all these murders. And the reason I want to play this clip real quick is just because of how one, you're going to hear what a fucking dingus he sounds like and two, you're going to hear how fucking casual and like bored he is describing these things. Awesome. Can't wait. So here we go. to do some personal items in the house, figured out how it was gonna get her out of there. Eventually moved her to the trunk of the car, took the car over to Price and Newport Church.

This is what they hold in church. And had to fix some pictures of her. You, the thing that like, there's many things that bother me about that, but one of the things that really stuck out to me was how he's like, and then I put her in the trunk of the cart. Like he's just like, oh, you know.

Like you're recalling like just a very, very boring Sunday that you had. You're like, and I did the dishwasher. And then I just watched my intonter for like six hours straight. Like it's a very chill, which I did the other day. I have not watched the second one yet, so nobody tells anything.

It's bizarre to me how casual this motherfucker is, and that just shows you, that's him retelling it in front of these victim's families. In court, just sighing. Just B.D. Just, I remember every vivid detail, but I'm so fucking bored. N.B.D. I'm just B.. Just B.D. I remember every vivid detail, but I'm so fucking bored. And B.D. I'm just B.T.K. I'm just B.T.K. No big deal.

I love a briefs. Now, like he mentions in that clip, he brought her body to Christ Lutheran Church. He brought her inside the church. in church. He brought her inside the church. Oh. And he posed her nude dead body and bondage positions inside the church to take pictures. Oh, wow. Yeah. Now in case this is shocking you and making you feel some type of way. Yep. Don't worry. Because according to Dennis, quote, I tied her up in different positions and took pictures. I did not use the altar. I was bad and disturbed, but I still had respect for some items of God's house.

You placed a dead body that you murdered in God's house. I mean, hello. He may have just hidden the home of an older woman that he knew and frequently greeted in his neighborhood for hours before waking her up from sleep by flicking the light on in her room, strangling her with his bare hands, stripping her naked, and then driving her dead body in her own vehicle to a fucking church to then pose her inside in bondage positions, but fuck you for assuming he would sully that altar.

He would not sully that altar. I bet he fucking did in the mind about it. How dare you? I'm like, I'm gonna be real. If all of this has been mildly concerning, but the thought of him sulling the altar of a church was the thing that was gonna throw you over the edge, you may need to look in the mirror. Like that. The fact that that was his

like, guys, I wouldn't fucking do that. I didn't do it on the altar. It's like you brought her in a church. Right. What? I'm sorry. That's not okay. All of these things leading up to that does not make it like, oh, well, okay, you didn't touch the altar. Woo. Close call. You were, you were almost a bad guy, that was a skull. You were almost a bad guy.

I'm stressed. I literally can. I'm just stressed by like his, like, just his life. He's a conundrum in the half. So after he took all the Polaroids he could, he said he found a ditch where people dumped trash, and he dumped her body there. Because trash, right? That's horrible.

Yeah. He then cleaned up the church and drove himself back to fucking scout camp because I bet you didn't remember that he did all this while shaperoning a scout trip. He went back and was just like, yeah, my head aches gone. Just went back and was like, still, still sleep guys.

Like he pretended to be asleep. Wow. Now the poor guy who had hung out with Marine at her home that night, he actually became the prime suspect. I mean, yeah, he was like the last person to see her. Yeah.

And be and basically this was because Dennis didn't do his usual attention seeking thing where he was like, calm,er. Yeah. And basically this was because Dennis didn't do his usual attention seeking thing where he's like, calm police, right, a letter, writing a fucking poem. Right. Because he was worried because he said she lived so close to me. I had a connection to her. And he's like, I didn't want this to be a woman. I got attention on it. But that poor guy, it's like, he was just hanging hanging out and he's the last person to see her alive as far as anybody else who knew so Also and like I said before in the letters with Catherine Ramzland

He repeats every time he uses one of his like trademarks Like he was annoyed they hadn't connected certain scenes to him because he would always cut the phone lines And he was like what the, that's my trademark. They should have known that was me. That's everybody in America's trademark, you fucking moron. Cutting the phone lines. Like every serial killer.

I was like, wait a second. Like every serial killer. I don't cut people's phone lines. You don't? No, what do you mean? Like, and he's like, why are they not getting it? Like, this is his like, I'm B2K. This is my trademark. Like need to watch a scary movie.

Anybody does that. Well, and with Marine, Hedge, he said he got a glass of water in her home after he killed her because that's one of his quote, trademarks. And it just makes me think of like the DSM, which is like the manual for mental illnesses. The newest one, when you go into like narcissistic

personality disorder, it really does show that like he needed to be known for these things. Right. Part of the, just a couple of the little traits that go along with narcissistic personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration and lack of empathy, has a grandiose sense of self-importance, like exaggerates achievements, expects to be recognized when they haven't really done anything

to be recognized for. They're also very preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty. They also believe that they're special and unique and can only be understood by, you know, special, high status people. And this is straight from the DSM, I am not making this up. This is from the manual guys. They also require excessive admiration, have a sense of entitlement, and they show arrogant, hotty behaviors and attitudes, which is exactly Dennis. It's like he needs that recognition, and he also needs to be special and unique.

He's like, that's my trademark. I drink a glass of water. Hydration is my thing. It's not your thing, it's my thing. It's like, I drink it. It's not your thing, it's my thing. It's my thing.

No, Elaine is like, my pee is always clear, Dennis. Hell, yeah. I will never pee a color, Dennis. So, wow. So, come at me, bro, with your hydration. I will never pee a lot. He's just so textbook. Like, he just needs to be no-danced for something. And it's not even just one thing. He can't even just pick like I drink a glass of water That's kind of my thing. He also has to be known for cutting the phone lines and

For you know looking through their shit and for stealing it their license and for like everything he does is like pretty like Standard We're like serial killer. Yeah. Well, and I think it's like he picks so many things because he's so terrified that he won't be known for anything. That he's like, maybe that to me, it's like one. Yeah, he's like, I have to overcompensate from having multiple things that you can know me for. It's just interesting. So September 16th, 1986, Dennis decided he wanted to kill someone on his lunch break because because you know, shits dull. So I mean, what else what else are you gonna do? They are. I don't get a real lunch break. So I couldn't kill anybody on my lunch break. That's very good. Unfortunately for 28 year old mother to a young toddler, Vicki Worgle, she would become victim number nine.

Oh, geez. This one upsets me. I bet. He had seen her weeks earlier just getting out of her car at her home. As one does. And he fixated it on her. That was all it took. I hate that it's so simple. I hate it. And he dressed as this day, he dressed as a telephone repairman. He created his own helmet and logo and everything. He really went for it. And he said he liked the fact that she had a covered porch that like kind of covered the front door. Like it wasn't an open front door.

And he had also heard a piano from within her home while he was stalking her. And he just fucking liked the piano. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's a reason. So he showed it up at her home this day and asked her if he could check her phone lines inside and she let him in. No, you cannot. So he said he immediately saw a baby in a play pen. This baby was two years old. Okay. And he heard two dogs going not set the door, but they were outside. Yeah.

She said, quote, she showed me where the telephone was. I had a fake instrument and pretended to fiddle with it as a phone tester. When she looked away, I drew my 25 caliber auto. She was scared. She started a cry. She said her husband was coming home for lunch and would be there soon. She asked about the baby. You fucking asshole.

Oh my God. Like her baby, literally her toddler is sitting there. You fucking asshole. Like this is the shit that I'm like, oh God, I fucking hate you. Like what brought. So he made her go to the back bedroom and he told her he was tying her up.

He said that she was super upset and then like fighting him hard. In fact, he says, quote, she fought hard. She fought like a hellcat, which I'm like, fuck yeah, Vicki. Good job, Vicki. Uh, she ended up fucking up his nose, actually, and he had to figure out how to cover it up around his wife. Oh, wow. Which I'm like, go you, Vicki. He strangled her with a nylon stocking and she passed out. He opened up her blouse and pants and took photos of her quickly. I think he took three, he said. Oh. Then he said, now he wants to make sure you know he didn't hurt the baby.

Oh, what a great guy. Yeah, he didn't hurt the baby. I'm really glad that he didn't. Like you didn't hurt the baby. You violently took his mother away from him, feet from where he played. You're a diamond. Now all the windows were open during this and it was broad daylight.

Oh my God. And he had, she had said her husband was on the way, which was the truth. Oh fuck. This was another completely bumbling murder. It was Vicki's poor husband who was coming home on his lunch break that found her. And after frantically removing the nylons from her neck, as you would do when you find your

wife or husband with anything around their neck, he called the police. Of course, Dennis had taken her license and some personal stuff before he left, because that's his trademark, guys. And everybody else's. And then he just went back to work with his messed up nose. Yeah, he was like, whoops, shit happens. Wow. I don't know.

He didn't contact the police about this one again, and her poor husband became the prime suspect for a long time. Oh my God. Like, especially because he removed the stuff around her neck. So, and obviously they were like, no one else was here. Like, you came on your lunch break. You must have done it. That's awful. I know he really fucked with a lot of people. In 1988, he lost his job at 80 T for security place. I think he was just laid off. I don't think

it was for anything crazy. Oh, at this point, he was 43 years off. I don't think it was for anything crazy. At this point, he was 43 years old. He legit tried to become a police officer at this point. Did he really? And smartly, the Wichita PD, the highway patrol, and the Sarif's department were all like, oh, no. Why do you know? He even says he doesn't know. They didn't give him a reason, but he thinks it was his age, which could be 43 is pretty old to become a police officer. So this made him feel inadequate. Oh, great. So he gets pissed off. Boo, boo, fucking who.

And also what made him feel very inadequate was the whole serial killer boom of the 80s, because serial killers were huge. They were infamous. There was a ton of them at the time. And they were splashed across every media station ever. And Dennis was getting upset because the BTK killer was not getting a lot of attention outside of Wichita. I mean, come on, guys, he drinks glasses of water. Yeah, he was like, I hydrate at the crimes. And I cut wires at the crimes at at the crimes. Like I'm unique.

Hello, I'm special. I'm one of a kind head of the West Coast. So different from Ted of the West. Ted of the West. I just love it. So he started working for the U.S. Census Department for a while and this took him out of town a lot. So he was having a lot of time to hang in motels alone

and do self bondage and auto erotic asphyxiation. Raise your hand if you hate that. And he would call it his motel parties. Stop. No joke. And here's the thing is by himself. Yeah, like I won't go into all the details about that obviously because honestly if this is all he did then that would be fine. Right. Like whatever you do you in the privacy of your own time. As long as it's not at the expense of someone else, like you do you, you want to auto-sphyxiate yourself in a hotel alone?

Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Just be safe. Sure. Just be safe. Yeah.

But then don't kill people. No, don't kill people. Yeah. That's when you're not cool anymore. So that census job was only temporary and it ended in the summer. So he was pissed and adequate and prowling again. This is when victim number 10 became 62 year old Dolores Davis. He did the same kind of thing. He cased the place and trolled and stocked her until he had her routine down or Holmes layout, all that good stuff.

So he set a plan into motion and he decided to use his scout master shit as cover again. How so this time? So in January 1991, the scouts had their annual dead of winter camp out at Harvey County Park West. Sounds miserable. He said, quote, I arrived early and got camp all set up.

When others arrived, I fabricated a story that I had to go back into town for something. I went to my parents house. They were on vacation and dressed in my hit clothes in the basement. So then he drove to the Baptist church and walked to Dolores's home. He got there sometime around 11 p.m. and he waited for her to go to sleep, just watching her. Just watching her from outside. He watched her whole routine, watched her wait for her to go to sleep. So he said he was going to do the normal sneak-in thing, but he didn't have a ton of time because remember he had to go back to scout camp at some point.

Right, right. So he found a cinder block outside and just checked it through a glass door. Oh, in the middle of the night. Oh, apparently she ran out, believable, and thought he had hit her house with his car. And he was like, nope, I'm a wanted man blah blah blah. The same fucking ruse uses all the time. I'm wanted. I just need your car, I just

need money. Rapper dupe, but that stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. He said, quote, this was the first time I carried a club, a pipe 12 inches long filled with lead fishing sinkers. When she said I couldn't be there, I said, man, you're going to have to cooperate. I've got a club, I've got a club. I've got a gun. I've got a knife. I suggest you do.

You take your choice. How you want it? So he forced her into a bedroom. Handcuffed her while she fought him like hell. Oh, he yanked out the phone line and said he just chatted with her to calm her down. I said, I didn't work. And he said he said he just shot the shit with her. And

he kept telling her that he was just warming himself up, getting food and shit. He was like, I'm not going to hurt you. I just need food, like trying to keep her calm. I don't like that. He does that. Oh, and he also wants you to know that he drank water because without that legendary move of his, it wouldn't be BTK. What is this all about? Wait, so you're telling me that he had a glass of water? He had a glass of water at the scene. Woo!

So unique. Whoa. So legendary. Whoa. So Dennis. Has anybody ever done that before? Only Dennis. Trademark.

Only BTK. Water TM. Water TM. Has anybody ever done that before? Only Dennis. trademark. Only BTK. Water TM. Water TM. So after getting her comfortable, which is fucking hate that he gets his poor woman thinking, like, you know, it's all going to be over in a little bit. He tied her hands to her ankles while she was on her belly and strangled her with Nylon's as in his words, she begged him not to kill her.

Oh, good. Yeah. Now, he didn't take photos of her because she had indicated that at one point that someone was coming over, and he wanted to get out of there before any other shit storm happened, like the other places had. He's like, I'm not taking chances this time. So he threw her in the trunk of his car. He did it again. And drove her to some lakeside area and dumped her body. Oh, and then he realized he was missing his gun and had to go back to her house where he found it on the floor. He legit dropped his gun in her house and left it there and had to go back and get it. What an idiot. Fucking Dennis, man. Like, in the fact that he admits to not to, it was just like even better. It's so

Dennis like, is that I realized that I was good? That I realized that it would be good. So I had to go back and it was all the floor so funny. You do that. Because I just channel him. I think it's a very upsetting thing I do, but I do it. It's a very upsetting thing. Do, but I do. It's a very upsetting thing. Do you do a do you drink water? No, no, only Dennis does that. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't, I don't cross over like that.

I'm glad. This legend maybe nervous for a minute. I know. So while he was in the getting his gun that he dropped, he stole her entire jewelry box, her license, some clothing, a camera of hers. Then he went back to her body and moved it under a bridge near a barn where he had scoped out ahead of time.

And he'd like to this area because he said he wanted to take pictures in that area. It was going to be really spooky and sexy. Ew. Yeah. Dennis. Nothing about Dennis is sexy. Oh, not even one cell in his body. Like he's even spooky. He's just close. He's just fucking like a lot of people are spooky. He's just like,

I don't know. You're pretty spooky, but he's just like a fucking bizarre. You're just like, what are you? I don't know and I don't want to know. Well, the weather that night was too shitty for photos. It was like foggy and shit. Huge bummer. So then he just went back to scout camp. Can't see the moon. Went back to scout camp again. Good. Yeah. Because you know, he was shaperining another scout trip when he did this. Can you imagine knowing that you were on that scout trip? No, I'd be like, wow, being like, oh, I remember when Dennis left because he like left his cheesecake in town. Yeah.

Cause I don't know. I just came out of my mouth. It's a very Dennis thing to leave in town. Maybe it leaves a gun, so I buddy leave his cheesecake too. I guarantee he did. Idiot. So the second night of scout camp, he feigned a headache, which they're probably like, do you have a brain tumor?

Are you okay? Are you okay? Why do you get Dennis? You always have a headache. And he told the scout leaders he had to go into town and get medicine. So instead, no one had Tylenol? No, apparently not. Not for Dennis. Instead, he went back to Dolores's body, put a creepy porcelain mask on her and took photos.

No, thank you. Then he went back to scout camp again. I just barfed. So it was May 1991 that he got his job as a compliance officer. And boy did he love this job? A compliance officer? Yes. So this job is like making sure lease laws are obeyed, making sure everyone's grass is a quarter in chai, you know, enforcing all the laws around like litter and trash and all that fun stuff.

Oh my god, he was a hall monitor. He was literally like a town hall monitor. Wow. That's what he was. He would be a fucking hall monitor. And he loved it. He took straight, part of the job was also taking stray dogs and any dogs who were in violation of any codes to the pound to be euthanized.

And he enjoyed that. He loved it. It made him feel like a police officer and he got to be a dick and like, wield power over people. But I love dogs. Because I've seen like stories on like Reddit and stuff like that where people are like, oh, like this guy I knew or whatever,

like somebody, somebody knew, got in like an argument with Dennis Raider. Really? And it was over his dog not being like, or being loud or not being leashed or something or not being registered. Yeah. And Dennis came back and like took the dog to the pound like vengefully. Like did it like he was like the dude was a dick. Like he used to do that shit all the time. So then people have like specific stories about him being a compliance officer. And in the the last season of my untunter, I think you

start to see his like dickiness, because I think it's I don't know if he's working at 80 T in the other thing. Like when the guy comes back and needs like another role of tape, I mean, he's like, you have to give me the core. And he's like, what do you guys? Like, he's literally like, what the fuck? And he's like, you need to give me the core, I can't give you another one. Like that's him. And he does like, what do you guys, like, he's literally like, what the fuck? And he's like, you need to give me the core. I can't give you another one. Like, that's him. And he does like this stupid little after. And he's like, that's just how it works. Yeah. Like, sorry. And the guy literally is like, fuck you. And that's why being a compliance

officer was like his ideal job because he essentially got to do that all day. Every day. He essentially had to got to tell people, give me the core. I can't give you that. The Nark of the Century. He is. He's the worst. Oh, so in his words, he said, quote, after Davis, the desire seemed to go away for a while. Okay. I had finally found a good job and I was busy with the kids in home life, but that cycle started again. It seemed like 1994 to 1995.

I started again. It seemed like 1994 to 1995 I started looking. So it was during this time that he was planning to kill a woman doctor who came to their house for house calls when he was having ear problems. That seems problematic. Well, in hello, that's harkening back to the ear infections when he was five. Even Dennis said that he didn't understand why he wanted to hurt a woman who was helping him, but thought it was the BDSM idea of her hurting him to help him thing like when he was five. Yeah. So he like brought it back later.

Oh, great. He's like really harping on that. He's like, that was it. That ear impression was it. Maybe it was. Maybe it was, man. Up and he seemed pretty like a significant. Yeah.

I literally couldn't just think of that. It's a tough word. Up until 1995 when he turned 50, he was just, he was doing breaking in enterings and just like prowling and kind of like writing down projects and stuff, but he wasn't doing anything. He just didn't kill anyone. Okay.

He did have a specific fantasy though that is fucked up beyond measure. Great. He wanted to call it PJ Twin Peaks. Uh, he did have a specific fantasy, though, that is fucked up beyond measure. Great! He wanted to call it PJ Twin Peaks, and it was to be a mother and a daughter. Oh, no. They were both to be blonde with long hair, and the daughter was to be 10 to 12 years old. Oh, Jesus Christ! He would tie the daughter up in her bedroom and have some kind of system where she would hear her mother being tortured at high volume

through some kind of like stereo system. Oh my God. Like this dude, you have children. Every time you get to the point where you're like, oh, he's just a fucking bumbling. It's like what a fucking turd. And then he says shit like that and you're like, no, you're the straight up devil.

Like you're just like, what the actual fuck? And he like wanted that to happen. Didn't happen. Luckily. So it was in January 2004. So we're jumping way ahead because you didn't do anything. Yeah. Through all this time, he was just being a compliance officer. He was, I think like vice president of his church. He was just living his normal life. I didn't realize didn't kill anyone. That's those who reason. Oh, yeah. Didn't kill anyone at this point was just according to him and all the evidence they found later. He was planning a lot of projects like he was ready to do it. He just didn't do it. Right. It was January 2004 that Hurst LaViana, who was a reporter for the Wichita Eagle, wrote an amazingly detailed investigative piece that outlined the decades since the Otero

murder. Yeah. And he kind of connected the fact that BTK was the one who did it, and BTK was never caught. Dennis was thrilled that this like he was like, oh my God, this is my time. So that same year, he was voted vice president of his congregation at Chrysler Lutheran Church. Interesting. And this is so he sent a letter to Laveana the reporter on March 19th of that year and put the name as Bill Thomas Killman. Are you kidding me? Yes. This, um, this letter contained, like, it was like a package. And it had the three Polaroid photos of Vicki Wargole lying on a floor

and a photocopy of her license. Oh. Now the BTK symbol was in the right hand corner of this thing, and the return address, I think was like a vacant building. But they were like, this shit is legit. Like, these are photos of Vicky Wurgle, and that's her fucking license. Like, this is real. So this is when the media blew up. And the FBI profilers became involved in Dennis Sparky Big Time to all over himself with

Glee. Ew. This was the beginning of the packages that he kept sending that eventually got his dumb ass caught stupid idiot. Now Dennis, like we said, he loved cake TV because he loved cake. He loved KKK TV. And they, it's because they covered him a lot. So they got a lot of this shit. Right.

So on May 4th, 2004, KAK TV got a package from Thomas B. Kingman. That's so stupid. Now this one had all kinds of goodies in it, but mainly there was this like weird cryptic word puzzle, a la zodiac killer kind of thing. And what also looked like an outline for a BTK book. Yes, he did that. Yeah. Outlined his own book. It was called the BTK story. No. How original. Do you want to hear

the chapters? No, but I'm sure I have to. You sure do. You sure do. Hit me up. One, a serial killer is born. Oh my god. Two, Dawn, Three, fetish, four,

fantasy world. Five, the search begins. Six, BTK's haunts. Seven, PJs, which just makes me think pajamas every time.

A literally. Eight, I D. Ruse. Nine hits. Ten treasured memories. What's 11 final curtain call? 12 dusk. 13. Will there be more? What?

The fuck? Yeah, like Dennis was psyched. Like this was his moment. Like he was not book and jail right now. He was ready to step into the spotlight and be like, it's me. Like he was just all about this. But also he said it had been 30 years of this technically since the the otterameters.

So he's been at it a long time. And so he said he was collecting trophies for most of that time from his victims. So he's like, I wanted to unload some of this stuff. He's taken up a lot of space in my hide holes. Wow. You know. So on June 13, 2004, someone found a plastic sandwich bag taped to a stop sign. That's freaky. Inside this bag was a brown envelope, and on it was written BTK field gram. Field gram indeed.

There were papers in this package that had drawings of naked ladies hanging bound gagged in various torture devices. And there were captions under them, like death on a cold January morning. Are you shooting me? And the sexual thrill is my bill. Oh my God, dude.

I love, I'm just calmed down, okay, Dan? Like, Dennis, like take a breather. There was also another copy of the list of chapters for the BTK story because he was like, guys, I really wanna write this one. I think it was like, I know you didn't, just take another look at it. Really trying to write this one.

Just really quick. Pass it along to your editor. And then there was some really creepy ass, like, typewritten story that was dated 1974. And it was about the Otero murders, but he like kinda like judged it up a bit by referring to himself in the third person and fantasizing about like different scenarios,

like he fictionalized it a little bit. He said quote, I left the packages at first in Kansas. This symbolic meaning was important to me. We live in a symbolic world. I didn't pick the spot just because it was handy. There was a purpose. First, I believe the clutter murders were the first of this kind of mass family murder. All the police reports to media said, hinted in that direction. So first in Kansas and the stop sign was stop and look people of Kansas, the poll was the male symbol. I picked a number three type date attached the package on June 12, 612 referred to threes. It was not related to my daughter's birthday. It just happened that way.

The package was wrapped in plastic and duct tape, a symbol of bondage and staple items in BTK hit kit. By posting it here, I figured an amateur would handle it before the police. That would destroy key evidence. Yeah. That's like really thought out. Wow. Like your job as a compliance officer

is not taking up enough of your time, sir. Not enough at all. Because holy shit. You have far too much time to figure all that shit out. So Saturday morning, June 17th, 2004, somebody who was working at a local library was, look, I believe they were emptying out the book return box. And at the bottom of this box, there was a plastic bag with papers in it. This person saw BTK on it and called the police immediately. Okay, good. The. So this letter contained a story

called Jake Allen about an actual 19 year old boy who was either murdered or committed suicide. It was like a real case. Yeah. And BTK was taking credit for it. It was this weird bizarre thing where he was claiming to have done it and had like he was like I just have to tell everybody about this. And he said quote, Jakey had fantasies about sexual masturbation in unusual ways with bondage and homosexual thrills. While I pick this out, my sparky is going hard. sexual thrills while I pick this out my sparky is going hard. Oh my god. Oh my god. Now I just closed my eyes. The police did investigate this and there's no connection with BTK to this murder and Dennis himself admits it was complete bullshit. He just wanted to see the police like run around for him. No, he loves saying Sparky Big Time.

Well, and he said my Sparky. Yeah, so like that's going hard to your. Yeah, no, yep, you all know that now. I don't have my headspace anymore. Not ready. So October 22nd, a UPS worker was picking up packages from the Omni Center office building, which is located at 200 North Kansas. And he found another like plastic bag. Yeah.

With a brown envelope inside it. And it said BTK field gram on it. So there was more of like the BTK story Sorry chapters in there and then there was a page that was just photographs of children Where he had just drawn Gags bindings and other torture stuff all over these kids. Oh, that's, yeah. He also wrote a whole slightly real, but slightly fictionalized version of his early life for the chapter Don. Okay.

So then he tried making calls to cake TV and such and like admitting things and all this stuff, but nobody was taking him seriously what he called. Yeah. And then in December, he called in a bomb threat to ninth in Minnesota, but it was bullshit. He had just left a package there and he wanted someone to find it. No one found it for like five days.

So the bomb threat box was supposed to represent the B in BTK. Like bomb threat. Yep. This one had a gagged Barbie doll with its hands tied behind its back and the actual license of Nancy Fox attached. Not a photo copy, the actual license. Oh wow. Then there was the tale of Nancy Fox's murder on a couple of pages in there.

He said, quote, when I see this now, I'm actually embarrassed at times at what I wrote the police. But this is part of the Q-B world. The Q-B world. That's the brakes and Q-b world. Q-b world. Thumbs the breaks in Q-b world. Wow. Now in January 25th, 2005, K-TV got another package.

It was a postcard with the address, S-Killit 803 North Edgemore, which it'll talk Kansas, 67208. Skillet. This was the Otero's home address. Oh, yeah. Now this postcard asked whether a post toasty serial box left between 69th and 77th had been found. They found it after this.

And inside the box was another Barbie doll with a rope round wrapped around the doll's neck. And this rope was attached to a little PVC pipe. It said, and next to it said, quote, chapter nine hits, PJ little mechs, 115, 74. So this doll was obviously supposed to be Josephine, right? This post toasty's box had the T circled. So it was rep in the T in BTK. There was another package at a Home Depot too in a special K-box with the K-circled. There's the K. What? He's really going for it. This is just too much. This one is, I think in this one, he had like the plans for his like murder layer in there and in this one

He listed a bunch of projects that he was looking for once that he had completed and then he asked This is where things get really good in this one He then asked If he could send a floppy disk with some things. Yeah, do it and he said He was like will it be traced though? Will it be able to be traced? And he literally said, quote, be honest. He literally asked the police, can you trace a floppy disk if I said it to be honest? What a fucking moron. And he wanted the police to respond to tell him let's say we can trace that so don't send it to us.

Okay. Well, in the way that he wanted them to respond was having them put an ad in the paper that would say quote, Rex, it will be okay. Also, he picked Rex. Why? Because it rhymes with sex. Because rounds rhymes with sex. Like, fox rhymes with sex. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you know. All the same. So, the police were like, is this fucking real? Like, you know they were literally like, is he fucking with us?

Like, he can't be the stupid. Like, let's just be honest, Popo. So they ran and added the Wichita yields, let them know it would be totally fine. It's fine, Rex. They were like, It's fine Rex. They were like, do it Rex. On February 3rd 2005, Dennis sent a postcard to cake TV to thank them for being rad and

for the police. He was like, thanks for being honest. I'll be sending that disc soon. What the fuck? So he's like, thanks guys. You guys are my bros. His brain. So because he was now the like, thanks guys. You guys are my bros. His brain. So because he was now the president of his church.

Oh, yeah. He had been, he had been elected the president. He used the church's computer to send a test file on the floppy disk. Goodbye. This was a file where he signed in with his own god damn name on the computer. Are you kidding? And had no idea that it would pop up on the thing. So the police used their computer guy

who saw that the person who made this list, name was Dennis. And a little search showed them that it came from the Christ church, Christ Lutheran church where Dennis Rader was the new president of. Wow. So now Dennis had also left, because remember we're going back,

he left seam in that crime scenes before. Remember he was like, he was jacketing the thing every time. Yeah. And there was DNA under the fingernails of Vicki Orgle because she fought like a hellcat. Right. He ejaculated at most of the crime scenes,

most notably at the Josephine O'Terro scene and into a blue night gown at the Nancy Fox scene. But at this, at that time, DNA wasn't something law enforcement were really able to do anything with, but they collected it. Right. And the chance that obviously, she would get better.

Now, decades later, they could take those samples they kept and finally test them against Dennis Raider now. Oh my God. And that should be noted, and what should be noted as really impressive is that the lead detective on this case, Lieutenant Landware, I think is how you say it, he was really smart and he didn't allow those samples to be tested. Like they wanted to test these for years, decades leading up to this when they finally

had the technology, they were like, let's test these. And he was like, no, not until we have somebody to test it against. And he said he didn't want to do it until this time because he was worried that the samples would be destroyed by testing them. And he said, if we ever had a suspect, we wouldn't be able to use that to test against him. He was 100% correct in rate when waiting. Good for him. So they actually ended up getting DNA from his daughter, Carie's medical files. And luckily, they were able to take that DNA swab and compare it against the semen samples and the stuff under Vicki's fingernails. And it was a match for Dennis Raider. So, February 25th, 2005, Dennis was surrounded during his lunch break and arrested.

I'd kill someone on this lunch break, Dennis. Can't do it. Can't do it. Go on to jail. A douche to the end, he said, quote, I did what son of Sam did. I said, hello, Mr. Landware. No. Like a fucking tool to the end. To the fucking end. Oh my God. Just a fucking weirdo. When he was interrogated, he gave over 30 hours

of confession. Whoa. Yeah. He tried to hold out for a little while and then he's just like, he's like, never mind his stuff. Yeah. He was like, sit down. I can't wait to tell the story. his, his, his, he was like, sit down. I can't wait to tell this story. When, now when he was found, they also found his quote, mother load. What? He called it his mother load. Is that all the things in the house? That was all the shit like the drawing. Yeah, the shit in the hidey holes, the drawings, the journals, and the quote slick ads with the slick ad. That's what he called these things he made where he would take three pi five index cards and paste magazine photos of women onto them and draw gags and torture things on them. He called them his slick ads.

Okay, you know, there was also newspaper clip things of the coverage of his murders, the photos of himself in bondage positions, maps to and from victims homes, lingerie from victims and items like licenses, like all that shit. So it was like literally a treasure trove of evidence. He, his wife Paula immediately divorced him, and put their house up for sale. Correct. They have not spoken. He said, he said, he wish, obviously, he's like, I wish I knew that that was the day, the last day I would ever see my wife and which like fuck you, Dennis.

But like that literally is the last time. She was like, nope, that's that. Go for her. And I was like, yeah, Paul, I would do the same thing. I hope. So July 27th, 2005, was his court appearance where he announced his guilty plea, the one that I played the clip from, this negated the need for a long drawn out trial. And that's where a lot of people have seen the clips of him being that remorseous robot.

He confessed in graphic detail to each of the 10 murders and then the victim's family members were allowed to speak. The sentencing phase was August 17th to the 19th in 2005. The judge was Judge Waller and he eventually sentenced Dennis Raider to 10 consecutive life sentences. It will be 175 years before he is eligible for parole, which is a pretty long time. He is serving his sentence in segregation at El Dorado Correctional Facility in El Dorado, Kansas. And in segregation, prisoners are in their cells 23 hours a day. Oh, wow. Yeah. Now, side notes before we end this, just a little nifty gift ease. He made the BTK logo himself and he would put you like did it on everything that he signed. It wasn't just writing BTK made a logo. Okay. The B is a pair of tips.

Oh my god Dennis. Like this grown ass. This grown ass man drew the B and BTK with nipples to make it booms. Like you're in fifth grade. He's literally a 12 year old boy. You're in fifth grade. He also said quote, I quote, like regarding the floppy discs that he used. Yeah. He said quote, I bought the package of discets from Walmart west of 21st street North. I paid in cash.

I used purple to mean Imperial power, symbolic of BTK. So his purple floppy discs that he sent to the police were supposed to mean Imperial power. Meanwhile, it was like Imperial Douchery. Exactly. He went quiet officially from 1991 to 2004. Like that's what he didn't kill anyone. Yeah. But from his first murder to the time he was caught was 30 fucking years. That's a long time. Yeah, that's crazy.

At some point, Stephen King included in a collection of four short stories, one called a good marriage. And it was about a married couple where the wife finds out about her husband's homicidal, like, BDSM stuff. The wife had no idea at the time in the story. wife finds out about her husband's homicidal, like, BDSM stuff. The wife had no idea at the time in the story. And King says that he was inspired by a dentist reader in this case.

Dennis agrees that the character is a good parallel to him. Yeah, I bet. And he fucking loves that. Oh, he does. His kids still say he was a very good father and not abusive to them in any way, shape or form. Neither one of them has a relationship with him right now, but Carrie Rossin is her last name now.

Did write her own book at like, I think it's called like a serial killer's daughter. Oh, really? Yeah, and it's, I haven't read it yet, but I really want to. And so it sounds like it'd be interesting. Yeah. So that's the story of Dennis Ray there. You did it. BT motherfucking. Good job. High five. We did. Alina did a bad ass job with that. So to real bang up job. To real bang up job. So thank you guys for hanging in here with us

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And then you send the, you send the police mail and you say, but be honest though. And then you get caught and then you say weird things while you confess and just you're bumbling idiot. Yeah, that's weird. Don't keep it that weird. Don't do it. weird. So do it. Bye. Hey, prime members, you can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Add Free with Wondery Plus and Apple

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