Morbid - Episode 90: Brenda Ann Spencer Mini Morbid

Episode Date: September 3, 2019

Mondays don't rank high on everyone's list but in 1979 Brenda Ann Spencer took this cliche to a horrifically violent place. With 2 dead and 9 injured, she had one simple reason for her rampage; "I just don't like Mondays".  This episode is sponsored by: Embr Wave! Visit Embrwave.com and enter our code MORBID for $50 off your amazing Embr Wave bracelet.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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All right, guys. On January 29th, 1979, after shooting into an elementary school across from her home, 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer was asked why she had committed such an act. And I don't love her answer. She left everyone with the haunting reply. I just don't like Mondays. And then she added, it just livens up the day. I mean, none of us like Mondays. You know what? I fucking actually love Mondays. Well, I love them now because I get to hang out with you. Oh, they're sweet.

I have Mondays off, so I actually hate Tuesdays. Well, there you go. But if you don't love a day, just go get like a latte. Just slam dunk a pumpkin. Just slam dunk a pumpkin. Do anything but what Brenda did. Yeah, don't do what Brenda did. So a few hours before giving that interview,

which was given over the phone, and I'll get into that later. Brenda had asked her dad if she could stay home from school that morning because she wasn't feeling well. Typical. Yeah, right, Brenda. He said, yeah, sure, whatever. And he left for work around 7 a.m. Brenda claims that she was suicidal under the influence of pot, alcohol, and other downers at the time. That's a morning. Yeah. And like, you're like, girl, it's seven a. Like, it's very early. And around 8 30 AM, the kids were starting to arrive for school at the Cleveland Elementary. And we're lining up to go inside.

These are like babies. And how it worked is there was like a gate and the principal would come outside and undo the like unlock the gate and all the kids would start to roll into class. Okay. So they were starting to do this. And directly across the street, Brenda was loading a 22 caliber rifle and began shooting into the crowd of the kids.

I can't imagine. No. What kind of mindset do you have to have to do that? I will never be able to wrap my head around this case because it's a fucking conundrum. Well, it makes me think of new town. It does. And that stills of the stay. My brain doesn't compute.

It doesn't. I just can't. Any human being could do that. I don't understand. It's like you're like not a baby. I don't get it at all. Innocent little babies just go into school. So the principle of the school heard all the gunshots

like happening. Probably had no idea where it was coming from. No, didn't realize where it was coming from. I just ran outside trying to protect the kids. Like, he was like literally like shielding the children. Oh my god. And he ended up getting shot. I believe in the chest.

And he unfortunately died. Oh, he did? He died, yep. Oh. And then the custodian of the school named Michael Succhar, I believe is how you say the last name. He was known as Mr. Mike to the kids. And he also ran out to help because he saw, I'm pretty sure he saw the principal go down.

Yeah. Ran out to help the kids and was also shot and killed. Oh my God. Brenda managed to shoot an injured eight children. Luckily none of the children were killed. Oh thank goodness. But seriously the fact that those two dudes died. Like protecting kids. Like a custodian in a principle. Not law enforcement officers like exactly. Just through themselves and friend of kids. It's like oh it's so sad. It just hurts my soul. And so then obviously police start coming on the scene

and it's like, what the fuck is happening here? And she's shot one of the responding officers in the neck. Oh my God. Yeah, in the neck. And he lived. Brenda. Yeah, fucking cheesy. She's pretty.

So finally, a police officer was able to drive actually a trash truck in front of Brenda's home to put an end to the shooting. It was like a barricade at least. She all-in-all fired 36 rounds. Silly shit. All-in-all, that's crazy. Oh my god. It's literally like a rifle.

It was just- wasn't she just like sitting on her couch, like aiming out the window? Yeah, she was aiming for like a rifle. Wasn't she just like sitting on her couch like aiming out the window? Yeah, she was aiming for like I remember seeing like a documentary a long time ago about this. Oh my god, it's so like she and it just seems so casual. She was just like hanging out. When she finally does come out, like just like what she's wearing is like it's just like a casual outfit, but it's also like a scary outfit. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, because it's just like, I look so casual. It's scary. And I'm so sorry like to say this, but she is one of the most terrible, actually, I'm not sorry to say it. She's one of the most terrifying. Oh, no, she's definitely. Yeah, like the photos of her are horrifying. She there's like video footage of her being

taken away. And then there's like some, I watched like some trials and stuff like that. And her eyes are just so empty. I've just never seen empty your eyes. She literally has dead eyes. It's crazy. So after firing 36 rounds into the school, she locked all the doors and windows in her house and barricaded herself inside. So obviously, SWAT teams were called. Yeah.

And they were given the okay to kill her, like if need be. Good. Like they were given the green light on that. So officer Paul Olsen was the primary negotiator in this whole case, and he had to speak on the phone with Brenda for like hours and hours. Just negotiators fascinating me.

I don't understand how to negotiate. It's fascinating to me. At my time, turn. You, right, you have to be a specific kind of brain. I can't imagine that especially in a case like this like they were negotiating with her for over six hours. My God. Like this started at obviously like right around 830 and didn't end until close to like three o'clock or like a lot of three o'clock. That's crazy. It's how do you hang on to your sanity to do that? I have no idea.

Well, he apparently offered her a Burger King Whopper if she were to come outside. I'll do it. I read that in one of the articles and I was like, fun fact. You're like, look at that. Yeah, I liked Whoppers. I used to like Whoppers.

You still have Whoppers, I hate them though. Yeah. She told him all kinds of things while she was on the phone with him because remember, she's like apparently like on drugs and like, yeah, drunk or whatever. Well, and he's probably a good negotiator and good negotiators can get you to talk to do that. Right. So she told him all kinds of things. She said that this is horrible, trigger warning. She said the victims looked like a herd of cows for gathering around those that

she'd already shot, and it made them easy pickings. Oh my God, meaning like the ones that would fall down that she would shoot, they'd all gather around them. So they were like cool, she was like cool, I can shoot more. Yeah. And she there was like, I don't know the exact quote I didn't write it down, but she was like, it was fun to watch them

like run around like, especially the ones in the red and the blue coats, because they were like easier targets. I wanna ring this girl's neck with the bear hands. I want to ring this girl's neck. Yeah, I want to punch her in the face. Literally. Over and over and neck. So messed up. So like I said, after close to six and a half hours

of negotiating, Brenda surrendered herself and was immediately taken into custody. Bye Brenda. Bye bitch. When police searched the home, it got dark, darker, if possible. I was going to say they found. Yeah, they found tons of empty bottles of liquor spread on the floor around the mattress that Brenda slept on with her father. Oh, no, yeah, oh, no, with hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

So just kind of like to go into Brenda's background a little bit in like her home life. Yeah, I'm gonna need that. Yeah. Brenda's mother didn't really seem to be super involved with her life and her father actually ignored advice from psychological professionals who recommended that Brenda spent time in a psychiatric ward.

I'm shocked. Yeah. They told him that her behavior at school showed serious suicidal tendencies. Her classmates remember that she was really introverted, like she did not talk to anybody. And one kid said that she was kind of crummy looking. Kind of crummy looking. Kind of crummy looking.

What a way to describe what this was like in the 70s. So it's still like, you're just looking crummy, bruh. I mean, she was crummy looking. You're looking crummy, bruh. I don't was crummy looking you look at crummy, bruh I don't know like shit brand. The pretty cronon. She just like apparently didn't talk to anybody like didn't interact with people Yeah, and she just looked like a bummer. Oh, yeah, I'm the picture. She was like I'm bummed out just looking at you the bum She looked miserable. Yeah, she like teachers would be like hello Brenda are you awake? Like, so she was just like in another totally and like another fucked up universe.

Just totally zoned out. Yeah, that same year that they told him, like, you know, dude, like she's got suicidal tendencies, like she's just, there's something going on here and she needs help. Yeah. She burglarized that school that she shot into and also shot out some of the windows with a BB gun

because she didn't have a gun yet. That's probably fine though. Yes, it's not like a... That's normal kid stuff right? For glorizing a school and then shooting out windows with any gun you can find. It's totally normal. Yeah, that's fine. Is it that growing up all the time? Escalation probably won't happen. Yeah, no, don't take care of it. So he still said no to her getting help. And then for some reason, also thought it was a good idea to give her a rifle for Christmas. I can totally see why. So the rifle that she used to shoot into an elementary school was given to her by her father for Christmas.

And if that's not bad enough already, she just asked for a radio. Like, dude, she asked for a radio for Christmas and instead got a rifle. Give her a radio. Like, give her a radio, sir. What? And when asked about that later, this is actually really sad and fun. Oh, no.

Brenda said that maybe it was so that she could kill herself and get on with it. Wow. Yeah. So she felt like that was like a message because it had been a little while of her kind of being in this place where like people, like teachers and like school psychiatrists were concerned,

but her dad wasn't. So she was like, maybe that's what he was doing. Like he was just like, get on with it. Like just do it. That's weirdly sad. And at this case is weirdly sad. This is clearly a nurture situation. 100% and actually, I'll tell you, um, at the end, I watched documentary and the whole thing was like super sad.

But it's, it's really good because it's like you get the inside scoop. Yeah, you get the whole picture. Cause sometimes you need the whole picture. It's super old. So it's like funny, not funny to watch, but you know what I mean? Yeah, like just silly. Yeah.

Brenda has many claims as to what happened in her life in general and also as to what happened to the morning of the shooting. So one claim she made was that she was watching TV and she began hallucinating. She said that she'd been drinking heavily the entire week leading up to and on the day of the shooting. Damn.

That morning she drank whiskey, took pills, and said that she had smoked weed that was laced with PCP. What? I have to wonder, like, especially like with the whiskey and like alcohol and stuff, it's like, how are you able to even function enough to do that? It's very, I mean, yeah, I'm not a, I don't chew guns, so I don't know like, I don't either. I just feel like it would impair you too much to watch in this documentary that I actually talked about. It's like one of the easiest guns to shoot is the one that she has. It has a barely any kickback, which I don't know much about guns, but that's just like,

I think when you pull the trigger, like, like, kind of like, have like shot a gun before and like, it will like kick back into your shoulder, like, forcefully. So this guy actually in the documentary shows, like, he shoots the gun and shows you and it barely moves back at all. Oh, okay. And it's like very like lightweight. It's kind of like what it's kind of like the kind of like the one from a Christmas story probably.

Probably. Like I'm not trying to be funny. I really mean like that little easy to shoot rifle. Yeah. OK. Like it looked very, very easy. Yeah. Unfortunately.

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like to watching the little ones run around. It's like oh really the combat. Yeah that's the way you're talking about. Well, so that she said that that day like yeah on the phone while she was on the phone for six hours, but after that she like any time after she was interviewed she said that she like didn't have any right and that's why it makes so convenient. Yeah, and that's why it makes more sense that she's a bullshitter because on the phone she's sitting there being like, yeah, it's fun to pick these little kids off. It's funny. And then when she gets caught and is put somewhere, she's like, I don't remember guys, I saw combat outside. It's like, no, you little bitch. When you were under the influence, you told the truth. You saw little kids, like, fun. One of that's the thing you didn't say anything about. No, you didn't say anything about.

If somebody was having like PTSD or something like that and gone for bed, something like this happened. And there was a call that that's what they would be saying. Exactly because she'd be under the still under the influence of it so she'd be still in that zone of like icy combat that's why I'm shooting and that's just like fucked up. No, she's a bullshitting. Also in 2001 this has really fucked up and super super sad. Brenda claims that her father had been sexually molesting her. Oh, I was worried about that, especially when you mentioned the mattress. The mattress. Yeah.

And she was so depressed and suicidal in the morning of the shooting that in her mind, this is what I think is actually the truth. The shooting would lead to the police eventually shooting her and putting an end to her life. Oh, yeah. I think that she wanted to do something like super fucked up because she was mad at society and go down in like a blaze of fire. Yeah, you know, exactly. Like I think her end goal was to get shot and die. But when there's so many dark moments in this case, it's brutal because you're just like, fuck you Brenda. You're a fucking monster.

And then you hear that stuff and you're like, you're still a monster but like you were created that way. I don't know it's too much. It's awful. I feel too many things. Although her father denies any claims of sexual abuse toward Brenda, it is interesting to note that he did go on to Mary and have a child with a woman who looked so much like Brenda, that the detective called her lawyer and was like, how is Brenda out of jail? Like, why is Brenda out of walking? Like, what the fuck is going on? Oh yeah, that's not okay.

And if that's not bad enough, he married this woman within a year of Brenda going to jail and he knew her because she was Brenda's former cellmate. No, no, I definitely believe Brenda on that situation. Yeah. About her life. She was also a year younger than Brenda. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I would say that all signs are pointing to Brenda's telling the truth about that. About that. So they had a child together and eventually this woman left Wallace Spencer, but left her child with him too. So that's Brenda's half sister. And her stepmom is younger than she is. and eventually this woman left Wallace Spencer, but left her child with him too. So that's Brenda's half sister. And her stepmom is younger than she is. What's the actual fuck?

And Brenda's mother said that she had suspicions about sexual abuse, but never acted on them because she couldn't afford an attorney. Oh bitch, please. She was a very absentee mother. It's an absolute piece of garbage. And Brenda said that they're like a strange,

they haven't talked in like, yeah, she's a garbage forever, like in forever. You suspect somebody is literally, is hurting your child, is hurting your child. And you're like, well, I don't have the money for an attorney, so I'm not gonna do anything.

Yeah. Are you kidding me? And Brenda said like her, because she had two older siblings, that's all I know that's all there is to know. But they would go over there like after school, Brenda said and her like it seemed like her mom just like didn't really care that they were there.

That's awful. It was just like okay, like it's so sad. Yeah, this, this like home, like in the way she was brought up, seems to be like very sad. That's the thing. And just lacking in so much. And then like over and it just bums me.

Like honestly, like neglect bums me out at just as much as like abuse. And one in this case, there's just a black and a abuse. Yeah, and it's like I just, well you just think of like, how do you neglect a kid? I don't understand. Well, especially a kid that you decided to bring into the world.? I don't understand that. Well, especially a kid that you decided to bring into the world. Yeah, I don't understand that.

All a kid wants from you is just like you just take care of them. Right. And that's what you brought them here for. Yeah, like why did you do it? You don't have to do this. No, I don't have to have kids. No one told you. Nobody has to.

I promise you, don't. It still fucks me up though that he fucking went on to marry her former cellmate who looks just like her to the point where someone was like, why is Brenda out of jail? Like how did this happen? Yeah, that is a big red flag. Yeah. Oh, and also, he's still lived in the house after the shooting. He didn't leave the house. That does not shock me at all.

Like, what? Cause it's like so much wrong. There's so much wrong. There's just a giant pile of nope all over this. And he claims that they shared a bedroom, but had separate beds, but like in the police things, like everything I read said that there was a single mattress in the living room. Oh, like it wasn't even a bedroom. It was like a living room. And there and that's like, and obviously there was something fucking going on where there was like empty bottles of liquor every day. Exactly.

It's she didn't drink all of those that day. No. And it's like, so you're living in filth. Yeah. So there's just too much here that you're just that like isn't clear that so unclear. But just any thoughts that you can give it you're like, you got a little, yeah, it just takes you down a really bad path. Yeah. So during her time in prison, Brenda has undergone psychological testing, which did reveal an injury to her temporal

lobe, which could actually explain why she's epileptic. And she has to take medicine to avoid like having seizures. Oh, so she is epileptic. She is. And apparently epilepsy is two to four times more common among violent offenders than it is among the public. That makes sense. So I went into like this deep dive of like what your temporal lobe does. I went a lane on the game. You went a lane on this. And it's all like because there's like separate sides, obviously. And like one side is all about like, understanding wrong from right.

And like, and then one side is wrong. Logic, rational, thinking. It's crazy. And then the other side is like talking and like movement and like cohesive, like, understanding of everything. Yeah. And if there was in fact, and there was, it was proven that there was something wrong

with her temporal lobe. That's interesting. It's like, that can lead to it. Oh for sure. It's like when when you know people have damaged to their frontal lobes right that can affect their reasoning and knowing right from wrong And all that good stuff. Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder how she got in a She apparently fell off her bike and like oh, okay, I wasn't wearing helmet We're helmet. The late 60s. Um, well, actually, I know it was probably the 70s because she was only 16 months.

Yeah. I keep forgetting that she was only 16 months. Yeah, because it seems like she should be like 40 literally or just like, it should be all a nightmare or I was going to say, or it should just not exist at all. As a case. Um, also, this is, I don't know, like funny, but it's interesting to me. She got a tattoo in prison that was brought up at one of her parole hearings.

So it's like, it's just weird that it was brought up at her parole hearing. She had been romantically involved with someone in jail and when it went badly, she got a tattoo on her chest that some people think says pride and courage. And everyone was like, why did you get pride and courage tattooed on your chest? Like a piece of shit. Like what, neither one of those things ever applied to you or ever will apply to you. No. No. And then this is really sad if this is true because when the parole commissioner asked

her about it, she told him that it was written in runes, I think is what she said. Okay. So, and she thinks it was done wrong, but what it was supposed to say was unforgiven and alone. Wow. Yeah. I feel like, when she said that, like I got like chills, like it was this,

it's just like sad, like this case is so sad and so many different ways, because obviously what she did is fucking horrible. And like there's no excuse for that. But also she was like a neglected child and was clearly going through some serious mental health shit that no one would help her with. It's so confl-

I'm so conflicted in so many ways. So so many words. Because I don't get me wrong. I am not fucking excusing what this girl did at all. Like in any way she would work. And then sometimes I'm like, yeah, I believe what she's saying.

And then sometimes I'm like, I think you're a bullshitter. Yeah. Like things like that when she's like, it was written wrong and it was supposed to say that. I'm like, I don't know, I think you're a bullshitter. I think you're trying to make people feel bad for you. I definitely can see that. And like I see that side, but also

just like seeing her say it. She does seem and those people are so fucking good at manipulating. It was that's the thing, but she does seem very sincere. Yeah, and she could be. And yeah, it's just you don't know. I don't know if she just I don't know. Yeah. So all of Brenda's parole attempts have been unsuccessful, but she actually is another one this year. 2019. Yeah. Same. They're Brenda seriously. The victims of the shooting who lived and the family members of those who did not have been outspoken and don't

want her parole, obviously. Good. That's so crazy. I like, I forgot that those kids are now adults. Yeah. Well, it's great. I'm going to talk about them a little bit because that's crazy.

So first, I want to talk about the deceased family members. Oh, yeah, so Wilfred Su-char who's Michael Su-char son. He was the custodian. Okay. Um, he once asked my question is will there ever be another boring Monday for her? Which is like I just got you'll saying I was just gonna say I was like, oh, it's like let her out. And she know what? She have another boring Monday. It's true. She hates Mondays.

There's a Monday every week. We can't let her out. No. What are we gonna do, get rid of fucking Mondays? Exactly. Like you don't know what, and it sounds like it, it sounds like, oh, like, you know,

she hates Mondays, that sucks. And it's like, but for real, she used that, that was her excuse. Yeah. Mondays every week, you can't chance that. And she's and it's like, but for real, she used that that was her excuse. Yeah. There's Mondays every week. You can't chance that. And she's suddenly going to be like, you know what, this Monday sucks. Right. And it's just like that statement in another self is so haunting. So cold. So callous. Yeah. So cold. So callous. So evil. And it's like, I shot all those kids because I don't like this day of the week.

Yeah. I shot babies because I was bored and killed two grown men. Yeah, trying to save babies and shot a police officer in the neck and ruined his career. He like couldn't of course not cover cover. Yeah. Wow, that's that's a great way of putting that point out. It's just so simple but so like not simple all at the same time. Well, like will there ever be another one boring Monday for her? I was like, oh, like hope not ever be another one boring Monday for her? I was like, oh, like hope not. That's it. You can't take that chase.

Yeah. Principal Burton Wags' daughter said, people have told me that I look like him, act like him, and my kids are the spinning image of him. When the kids hear this, they can't possibly relate to such sentiments because they never met their grandfather and they know that they never will, because I've told them over and over again

that he's dead, that he was murdered by Brenda Spencer. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's like, and he was murdered protecting his students. That like really kids me. That's like really horrible. Like the feels. I know, because it's like that's,

because it's so weird to think of it this way, but it's like you would hope that your kids are in school with people who would do that for the last little week. We would never expect someone to. No, always think like I hope that. Yeah, I mean, like I hope these people love these kids so much. One that know that is like, when a time like that happens,

it's like, you don't know how someone's gonna. That's not your fight or fight. That's not your kid at the end of the day. No. That guy acted like all of those kids were his kids. And that is like heavy. It really is. Crystal Hardy is one of the kids that was shot.

And then obviously, no, she's a fucking adult. And she said, to this day, she still fears that someone is pointing at her when she's just walking around. Because she's like, I didn't know that that was going to happen to me. I literally arrived at school. Yeah. And when her boyfriend invited her to the shooting range, she went because she was like, oh, I think it's been long enough. I think I'll be okay.

And she's the one. Oh my god. I don't know how she'd probably. She broke down uncontrollably and was like sobbing and they had to get out of there right away. And she was so sad, it had not been long enough. No, it never will be, I don't think. Cam Miller went to a prison hearing and remembered Brenda glaring at him as he walked in. And he said, the look Brenda gave me was enough to scare any young child to death.

Fuck you Brenda. Yeah. And dude, she's like very scary looking. Yeah. And it's like, really, you're going to glare at the people that you shall like fuck you. Yeah. We're at in prison. So Brenda is still serving her 25 to life sentence in the California

women's institution and will be up like I said for parole again at some point this year. She better stay in the event. And in case you didn't know the song, I don't like Mondays by the Boomtown rats. It was written by Bob Geldoff and it was inspired by Brenda. Oh, damn. And you know, it's even crazy. I feel like I've heard that before. I didn't realize that I had what they play it in the beginning of the documentary that I watched. And I was like, oh, shit. And you're like, that's terrifying. But one of the survivors that I watched. And I was like, oh, she had me like, that's terrifying.

But one of the survivors, Crystal Hardy, she ended this documentary that I watched. She is like explaining that she used to work like an afternoon job and they always would play. It was like super popular on the radio when it came out. And I was like, she was like, I always heard it. And like, I was expecting her to be like, and it like haunted me forever. And she was like, I think it's a always heard it and like, I was expecting her to be like, and it like haunted me forever

And she was like, I think it's a pretty song. I like it. Oh my god. So like she found like some kind of like solace Because she's I mean, yeah, I guess I guess you can look at it You have to look at it that way or the other way. It's known between like no gray area All like the survivors in this case and the Family of the people that unfortunately died and were like killed by Brenda, the way that they look at this is just like amazing. Yeah, it's like, I don't know how you go out from that. It's insane. And the documentary that I watched, if you guys want to go watch it, is Killer Woman, Brenda Spencer documentary. I don't like Mondays. You can literally just watch it on YouTube.

Yes. I literally just typed in YouTube killer woman Brenda Spencer. And it's like the first 47 minute clip that pops up. It's a wicked good documentary. I watched something a long time ago on this, but it was a long time ago. I don't remember. So I didn't know any of these like details. Mm-hmm. This case, maybe. Just like, even like the little details of like her dad, like married herself, and then her tattoo are just things that I hadn't heard of before. And I never heard that. Wow.

Yeah. And it makes, and it like adds that tattoo thing like added to the complexity of it because you're like, are you a bull shitter? Are you a different ways of looking at it? Or are you really this like sad damage to you? I mean, obviously she's damaged.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Are you just a bullshitter? Or are you evil? Like it's I'm going to say that I believed she meant to tattoo the like unforgiven in alone. Yeah. And I really, I really think that if she had had psychiatric health, like maybe this one that happened, I do believe if this, you know,

if this went the way that it's all saying it went that like all these people were warning her father, telling her father, she needs help. I agree that if she had gone and he had like been a father and actually like nourished her and tried to be like, let's help you. Let's fix this.

That I think this would have been avoided. I definitely do. I do. 100% I really do because she was like, yes, she was integrated, but by all accounts, she did well in school. Like she wasn't mean to her classmate. She wasn't aggressive any way before this other than that time where she shot the fucking windows out, which was terrifying.

Well, and it's like she was saying she was like drinking heavily for like a week before this. and it's like, she was saying she was like drinking heavily for like a week before this. And it's like, nobody noticed. There really no one, if she had her father or parents or one parent, any guardian, anybody was putting any eyes on her at any time. There were warning signs. She this could have been stopped.

Because it's like, why was she able to drink that heavily for a week before this? She's 16. Right. Like something should have been stopped week before this? She's 16? Like something should have been stopped way before this happened. And just, oh my God. Like I said earlier, the pictures of her coming out

of the house, oh, she's wearing almost like like khaki sort of ish. Yes. I remember their like, they're like boot cut. And she has the big glasses. She has big ABA glasses that she's worn literally forever. Yep. And a beanie, like a black beanie. And she has this long stringy red hair. And the deadest eyes I have ever seen in my entire existence.

She does. Her face is truly just dead. Terrifying. She gave an interview in 1993. You can find the clips on YouTube. It's honestly the interview is kind of boring. But she has a mullet and she still has those few dress glasses and you're just like

woes and you like wow Brenda that was a choice. There's a lot that's happened to you. A lot of choices happening. Yeah. In the look. So yeah, that was the bummer fucking case. And Spencer. What a bummer. Many many many many more things. Many many more. And now I need. Many, many, many more. Many, many more. And now I need to go eat a dessert calzone. Yeah, we need to cleanse the palate. Like literally, like with a dessert. Check it out.

Literally because John doesn't want to give palate cleansers. He doesn't. I think he wants. He wants to know he knows we trapped him in the last. He's onto us. We said you won't give palate cleansers and it's a bummer. I don't know any. What will give you time?

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