Morbid - Episode 96: Lizzie Borden Part 1

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

In this extra special Morbid, we are recording in the Lizzie Borden house in Fall River, Ma. Yup, we are sitting on the couch that Andrew Borden was murdered on and we are not okay. In part one, we discuss the family dynamic a bit as well as the horrific murders of Andrew and Abby Borden in the home that we are currently sitting in. There is a lot more to this case and this family than meets the eye. So come in and have a decent alibi figured out, would ya? Check out our sponsors, guys! Download the puzzle game Best Fiends. Discover your latest puzzle game obsession with Best Fiends. Check out Lola: A Modern Approach to Feminine Care. Visit MyLola.com and use promo code MORBID for 30% off your first month's subscription! Get down with Simplisafe. The best choice for home security. Visit Simplisafe.com/ MORBID to get FREE shipping and a 60-day risk free trial for yourself. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey weirdos, I'm terrified and I'm real afraid and this is morbid. Reporting live from the Lizzie Board and House. I'm not a fan of the song, but I'm not a fan of the song. I'm not a fan of the song, but I'm not a fan of the song. I'm not a fan of the song, but I'm not a fan of the song. I'm not a fan of the song, but I'm not a fan of the song. That's right. We are coming to you right now from the spookiest place on planet Earth in my opinion right now. To be honest with you, I don't think I've ever felt more on edge in my fucking life.

Yeah, this is pretty terrible. And the fact that we're gonna be talking about the case in the house that it happened is making me feel some type of way. I feel like people are gonna get mad and my people I mean ghosts and my ghosts. I mean, please don't come out to play. Yeah, please. We're trying to be real respectful here. So what we are going to do is I am going to try my hardest to call Lizzy Lizbeth because that's what she like. Because when she moved out of this house after spoiler alert she got acquitted. She went to another house which we'll talk about in part two,

because this is a two-parter, guys. A. Because there's a lot to cover in the second half. So once she moved out, went to her own house, she didn't want kids coming over and singing that damn nursery rhyme again. Which we're not going to sing. Nope, definitely not.

And so she changed her name to Liz Beth, and that's what is on her grave stone right now. Fun fact. So I'm going to try to be respectful of Lizbeth and call her Lizbeth. Because I'm not trying to get eaten alive today. I am not trying to fucking piss off any spirits up in here. It's not really cold in this world. It's freezing in here.

I'm really not liking this to be perfectly honest. I feel scared. Shits going down. Okay guys. I'm really not liking this to be perfectly honest. I feel scared. Okay, shits going down. Okay, guys. Shit has gone awry. So we just wanted to quickly just go over a few things like how, you know, how we felt in this house, what we've seen in the house.

I've felt spooked. I've seen spooked. First of all, we are staying in like the least, well, the room with the least history in it. Straight up used to be a storage closet, which is how we like it. But right now, we are sitting in the sitting room of the Lizzie board and house where Andrew boarded, I feel weird saying this because it's exactly where it happened. And I am currently sitting where you got got Andrew board and got his face smashed in with a hatchet in this room in this very seat that we are recording in. So that's awesome, but not at all.

Yeah, not awesome at all. So far, I got to say, in the downstairs of this place, I'm not feeling only in this sitting room, and I feel like somewhat a little bit like, oh, hey, Andrew, what's going on? Everywhere else, I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm okay here, but I don't like that room over there. Yeah, I just like keep, I don't like that room over there yeah I just like keep I don't like it I know every now and then and I thought it was just me I felt like I kept seeing something out of the corner my eye and I kept looking over into that sitting room but then I kept seeing Ash look over into that sitting room too and now I'm realizing that we're both seeing something out of the corner. If you're in the sitting room, we come in peace. Please don't touch us.

If you're in the sitting room, please stand up. Would the real, no, never mind. Oh, I just got like a whole last chills. Because I think they knew that you were about to sing Eminem to them. They were pissed about it. I would be too. Actually, no, if somebody sang Eminem to me

in the afterlife, I'd be like, that's my bro. These are my people. We are kin. So basically what we've seen is, you know, all Lizzy and Emma's room has some type of vibe to it for sure. I got to say the room where Abby was murdered in the guest room. While it's very, it's spooky. It didn't give me like super dark vibes, which I was very surprised to see. No, you know where the darkest vibes are? I do. Where nothing happened in the master bedroom.

I walked into that room and I don't want to go back up there. I was absolutely freezing and I hated it. That's how I felt. You and I were both like, what is going on in this room? It's Andrew and Abby's bedroom. Like nothing happened there. Nobody was attacked. Nothing. But I'm starting to feel like, and I feel weird saying this out loud, but I'm starting to feel like it's Andrew who has the darkest vibes here. What it has to do with Andrew. I don't want you to say that. No, it's true who has the darkest vibes here. When it has to do with Andrew.

I don't want you to say that. No, it's true though. Like he's given me some, and you know what? I think he knows he's given dark vibes, so he's probably happy that I'm acknowledging this. He got like wicked golf in the afterlife. He did. He painted his nails black.

He's... He's metal as fuck. He is metal as fuck. I'm trying not to swear in here. Oh Yeah, cuz it's Victorian time. Yeah, they'd be like who is this trash bag in my living room? Who is this tart? This woman is a trash. So yeah, so we we definitely felt the worst What the fuck was that dude? What the? What was that?

I want to go home Did that pick up on the thing? I don't know I Don't see the if you guys just I don't know if you guys heard that but it was really loud. I Don't I Something literally it's in it's in that fucking sitting room. I don't like I Can we leave you guys didn't hear that it was a legit distinct Knock right? Yes What the fuck no, I don't want it and we keep here

I'm not into that. I don't want to be here. Maybe I said too much about Andrew I'm sorry. I told you not to say I'm sorry Andrew you have light and fluffy vibes and now he's gonna Absolutely, he's gonna be like oh you think I'm light and fluffy you You Trump it you flute you fluszy. Yes Okay, we should probably get into the case so that we can get the fuck out of here. Yeah, there I go, swearing again. What a chart. What a chart.

All right. I'm a pop target. What? Did you hear that? No. I'm not even kidding you. I swear I just heard somebody walking around. Like where?

Like in the kitchen. Oh, no. Maybe I think that guy upstairs came down. I'm in it. I go, but he would come down these stairs. Okay, guys, I'm not even gonna. Okay, no, it's fine. Oh, fuck, I don't like this. I think it's because they know we're about to podcast about their lives, they do after lives,

and they're, no no no all right We're gonna get into this because we want to sit and stare at the wall until dawn so that we know that we survived You're not going to sleep right? I'm not going to sleep. No, I'm not going to sleep. I'm actually not asking you that question You're just not fucking going to sleep. Yeah, I don't know that now that happened All right, so Liz Beth Andrew Borden was born on July 19th, 1860, and Fall River Massachusetts. Now a lot of people think the nursery, as the nursery rhyme goes, I'm just going to say a quick one because it's part of the story, I'm sorry, Lizbeth. No, I got to do it.

A lot of people think she gave her mother 40 Wax. Well, Abby Borden was not actually her biological mother. She was her stepmother. Her biological mother was a woman named Sarah, and her father was 70-year-old Andrew Jackson Borden. She had one older sister named Emma Lenora Borden. I love that middle name. Lenora. That's pretty. It is pretty. Unfortunately, Sarah Borden died early in Lizzie's life in 19 or excuse me, 1862. In 1862, when Lizzie, when Liz Beth was only two years old and her sister Emma was only 12, that's sad. That's really sad. Andrew Borden remarried only two or three years later to 65-year-old Abby Duffy Gray.

Wait. Later to be Abby Duffy Gray Borden. Did you say 65-year-old? Yeah. She was 65 when they got married? She was 65 when she died. Oh, I was like, what the fuck? Sorry.

So she was 65 when she died. Liz Beth was 32 years old at the time of the murders and her sister Emma was 42, which a lot of people don't know. A lot of people think she was younger, from what I've heard. So the boarded name was huge in Fall River. And Lisbeth's family in particular was very well off. Andrew was a pretty badass real estate developer.

You hear that Andrew? You were a badass real estate developer. Claps to you, snaps to you, all of the above. All of it. He was also a manufacturer, an investor, and just like a savvy businessman in general. He could also claim to send from one of the founding families of Fall River. Whoa, George Washington?

So fancy. Hey, I don't think George Washington founded in fall river, but I think he did personally all revere You know all those Paul Revere was here in Boston Paul Revere was here He wrote that on the bathroom stall everywhere. This is our historical wrap

so He wrote that on the bathroom stall everywhere. This is our historical wrap. Uh, so... So, apparently, however, he had begun as an undertaker, and according to an American heritage article, he was said to have cut the feet off of dead people to squeeze them into smaller coffins to cut costs. Andrew was? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Yeah, that's fine, Andrew. Everything's cool. That's still worried about it. That's very savvy Andrew. What's that? What's that man's doing? He's he's being savvy. Ash. That's what he's doing. You're so savvy Andy. So savvy. So he was very, let's say, frugal with his money, because we're not allowed to say CHEP in this house. No. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill or are they made to kill? I'm Candace DeLong and on my podcast Killer Psychie Daily, which you can find exclusively on Amazon Music, I share a quick 10-minute rundown every weekday

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Episode by episodes. Lacey, follow the rewatcher, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free on the Amazon music or Wondery app. Darn, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni, eirni Sue! Sue, our tour guide was phenomenal. It's like a two-hour tour and you think that's going to be a long time, but holy shit. You end up at the end of it being like, can you give me more though? Because she is, the tour guides are engaging. They know literally every single bit of history about this house, this family, this crime, everything.

And they take you through every little detail and they also show you any paranormal things that happen in all the rooms which is spook spooktacular. We even got to go to the basement. We did. That was a trip. And so we want to say we recommend highly coming to the Lizzy Board and House in Fall River because they do an amazing job here. They really do. And it's not even expensive. It's not and And it's worth it because this place is awesome. I mean, you're in a crime scene. It's one of the most famous crime scenes in the United States history. So do it. You guys need to come here. That's our little... We're not getting paid for this. We just love the place. Do it. You won't. So the reason I wanted to talk about the tour really quick was that our tour guide Sue said that they like to refer to Andrew as frugal because calling him anything else may make him angry so we don't want to

do that. So he's just frugal guys. Peace and blessings. Exactly. So frugal old Andrew, he just liked to cut corners a lot in areas of his life to Squirrel away his fortune, let's say, because he was worth millions. Also at the time of the murders, the family had a 26-year-old Irish servant named Bridget Sullivan, and at the time she had worked for the family for about three years and lived in the home. Fun fact about what spirited young ladies, Liz Beth and Emma could be at times, they had a previous maid named Maggie

and they didn't feel like it was important to learn Bridget's name. So they just called her Maggie and she was expected to respond to it. I'm gonna go ahead and say it. That's a dick move. Oh, God. I thought you were gonna be light about that. No, that's a dick move. And I think Lisbeth and Emma both know that. I think, yep, bye. So I be somewhat of a miser. He was super rich, but he didn't like to spend it. He kept them in a nice, but modest home where we sit right now at 92 second street. And was, again, frugal.

Their home that we are in right now didn't even have electricity or a bath. Any bathrooms, no bathrooms, no electricity, no running water, which at the time, people had running water and electricity. It was becoming a thing. And he had plenty of resources to have that in his home. But he was like, not chop your feet off instead. Exactly.

Chop your feet off instead of going to the bathroom. It works exactly the same. Little side note, they do have bathrooms running water and electricity in the home right now. So if you come here, you will have a bathroom, you will have electricity, and you will have running water. I'm afraid to go to the bathroom. Yes. Ash and I have decided that we are not going to the bathroom by ourselves. So it's going to be one of those joint, you know, field trips together. Hey, oh, hey, I'm drinking lots of water. So be ready. I'm not. So the whole this infuriated Liz Bethanama, they the fact that their father had tons of money,

it was not willing to spend it on the luxuries of life. Lizbeth especially was really obsessed with living on the hill, which was the upper class neighborhood in Fall River. That's where all the parties were had the upper crust parties, that's where all the fancy houses were, that's where all the well-to-do we're living. But Andrew wanted to live in the downtown area, which is where this house is right now, because that's where it was right now all his businesses. So he could walk out his front door like our tour guide said, and he could be right in front of everything he needed to be in to check up on all his businesses. Smart. Very smart, Andrew. As for their relationship with Abby, they were concerned they I think it began fine enough.

I don't know if they ever had a like super close relationship. The tour guide said that they used to call her mother. Yeah, so I think it was just like, that's our mother, that's our stepmother. We call her mother. It was like copacetic. Yeah, like everything was fine. But then they kind of became a little concerned that she was maybe with their father for money and that her family was going to step in and inherit his cash before them.

This was because of one big incident. Abby's half sister fell on hard times and Andrew decided to give her rental property. This pissed Emma and Liz Beth off because they were like, bitch, if you give her that, then you better give us something better. And I think that's literally what they said. I kind of don't blame them though. Yeah. Like we don't have a bathroom and you're given someone a whole last rental property. Yeah, I mean, I get it. So he did decide to give them a rental property of their own. So nice of you Andrew. But they soon realized that all the rent money they were getting from the rental property was having to be bundled back into the rental property to fix all the disrepair that was happening, which is just what having a rental property is, but I guess they didn't know that.

And they were like, yeah, we don't want this anymore because we're just using all the rent money to fucking fix it up and wear a board of this. So Andrew bought the property back from his two daughters at double the cost. He bought it, yeah, he bought it back for $5,000, which I guess it was worth $2,000. Oh. So after this whole thing, they were super cold about Abby. And this is actually when Lizbeth started referring to her as Mrs. Borden as a post mother. That's kind of savage. That's a super savage. Lizbeth is pretty savage. Lizbeth was actually so bold about her hatred for her stepmother at that point in

life that even after the police showed up to investigate the bodies of Andrew Navi later, Lizbeth corrected a police officer and said, she is not my mother when they referred to her as her mother. Yikes. Especially in that situation, it's like girl. Just swallow that. Don't just hand them a motive. No, that is not Mama Mama. That is not Mama Mama. She said it just like that. She did. Although both the sisters had kind of given up the idea of getting married at this point Oh, I know that's odd because this was different times. It was all about yeah if you were 30 you were a spencer Yeah, they were both considered spinsters Emma seemed more kind of like the spencer in the traditional sense of the word in that

She kind of was isolated kind of plain wasn't very interested in going to parties and social events. Liz Beth was actually pretty active socially. She was well-known as a member of the center congressional church. She taught Sunday school classes, she volunteered, she cooked dinners for the church like the whole nine yards. And according to the same American Heritage article that I mentioned earlier, she was also active in the Ladies Fruit and Flower Mission, the Women's Christian Temperance Union, and the Good Samaritan Charity Hospital. Aren't we all? So she was actually, and later in her life, she continued being like,

huge philanthropist. Yeah, super into charity. Very into charity, and she did a lot of it anonymously. Because they were probably like rude about it yeah well and that's honestly isn't about the real charity when you do it without trying to get your name on the building I wouldn't know so and not only was she into all these charity things, but she was also, she was ready to find some good, you know, uppercrust dude.

Aren't we all? Or lady, because there has been rumblings that possibly the reason she was not married at 32 is maybe because she was into ladies. That's what they say about everybody. I think so too. I think it's bullshit. The reason she was not married at 32 is maybe because she was into ladies. That's what they say about everybody. I think so too. I think it's bullshit. It doesn't matter. I think it just like adds something to the story so people are like, she killed her parents and she was a lesbian.

That's exactly what I think. I think they were like, oh, you know, let's make this like sound salacious. And I think it's a root of people to judge Lizbeth. That's what I'm saying, Lizbeth. At most respect, Lizbeth, whatever you are doing, do you? Boo, just don't kill people. Or yeah, bye. But I think it's too late for that. So it's fine. Everything's fine. Don't pass judgment. I'm totally guessing judgment. So Andrew is not a really super popular dude around Fall River? No, no. He wasn't like this jolly guy that came like tootin out of his house and was just like whistling and like tippin his head of people.

I was literally just gonna say tippin his head and everybody would be like, how the hell in the morning? Good morrow, sir. Good morrow. No, he wasn't that. Howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy, feared that they had been poisoned. Obviously it's a little odd to assume that you were poisoned instead of being like maybe we have a stomach bug, but maybe they had reason to believe that they had been poisoned. Exactly. So nobody knows whether they were suspecting anybody in their home of doing this or if they were suspecting people outside of the home to do this.

One person said that they, one thing I read said that they thought that the milk they were getting delivered was possibly being poisoned. Now one morning after being sick, like violently all night, Abby went across the street to the doctor's home and told him the situation. She was like, yo, we're all sick. I think someone's poisoning us. He was like, yeah dude, you're just eating bad food. Like chill.

That's literally, that's verbatim when he said, it's like historical transcripts. I was literally gonna say it's in the transcripts. It is. So he was like, just fucking, stopping so frugal and stop letting your food go nasty and then still eating it. Like that's pretty much why you're sick probably.

You're rich, eat some good shit. Yeah. Because I think it was like warmed over fish or something that she said that they had had the night before. Okay, sis, come on. And he was like, yeah, that's probably it. Well, and I think that's, he was like, I don't even have to use my medical degree for this.

Pretty sure you're eating bad food. Like, go home and rest. So he sent her home. August 3rd, the next day, Lizbeth visited her friend, Miss Alice Russell. She was a very good friend of Emma's. In the end, she was not just putting that out there. Alice Russell later said during a testimony

at Lizbeth's trial that Lizzy had told her that she felt something bad was going to happen to the family. I keep seeing shadows in that room. No, I know. I do too. My eyes keep flicking over there. I don't want to be here. I don't love it.

So she was already premonitioning that the day before the murders that some bad might happen to this family, which I'm like Liz Beth. If you're gonna, if you're gonna, you know, get some people got, don't go around just being like, I think something bad is gonna happen. He was right in front of me of John Mulaney. I always do John Malini. I don't know why my my body goes into John Malini mode. Maybe you're possessing him like, fush. Yeah. Do you think John Malini goes into full Alainemot? John Malini. That'd be boring. Right in. Tell us. Now I want John on the lady to tell us if he goes into full Alainemode. He doesn't. He does. So so she told Alice Russell, you know, something bad's gonna happen to the family. She said there was burglary attempts on their home. She said, quote, I feel as if something was hanging over me that I cannot

throw off. Father has so much trouble. I am afraid somebody will do something. No. It's not good, Lesba. That's not good. Not a good murder plan. It's really not. You're not covering your tracks very well, so far, girl. You should be like saying how much love your daddy. I love my daddy. I would never dispatch of my daddy. I'll never do that. My daddy is the nicest man in town, and I know we live in Fall River, but I'm just saying he's so nice. And suddenly, I have a southern bill.

I said, even though I live in Fall River, that's Jesus. Nothing makes sense around here. It's just my fragile constitution. Okay, so... When you can't stop speaking like that. Okay. We're slap-hoppy. What time is it? I don't even know what time is it. It's like 2am. Yeah, it's it's a time in the in the middle of the night, guys. So on Thursday morning, August 4th, shit went down in this house. Down to get down, down.

All the way down. So Sarah Borden's brother. Now Sarah Borden is Emma in Lisbeth's biological mother. So their uncle. Their uncle, John Morris, had shown up for like a business visit with Andrew. Randomly, I believe August 3rd, and he had stayed in the guest room. So in August 4th, he had breakfast with them

and then he pieced out to visit relatives in town. By, he left before Andrew even left for work before, you know, he was early, early riser out of there. Liz Beth was being lazy as fuck that morning. Girl. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying she's crazy damn. I mean she's just living her life. I mean she was a lady of leisure at that point so you know I would be lazy as fuck as well. Oh my god I can't wait to be a lady of leisure and just be lazy. Having kids you can't be lazy lazy of leisure. A lazy a pleasure. Perhaps I will not do that. Yeah, maybe I'll be a fucking spencer.

There you go. Like a chill. Dream big. Thank you. So she didn't make an appearance downstairs until like 9 a.m. It's like good for her. That's not even that late. That's super late for me.

She told Bridget the maid that she was feeling kind of crappy because she was thinking that she was like you know contracting that whole shitty illness everybody had. And she wasn't very hungry for breakfast but she just hung around downstairs. I think she said she was ironing hanker chiffs in the dining room. Okay. As we all do. So Bridget woke up sick like the rest of the family. And she had been fixing breakfast that morning and all that shit. Lizbeth saw that she wasn't feeling well

and told her that she should lay down after fixing breakfast. That was nice. Very nice of Lizbeth. She probably called her Maggie when she did it, but you know, you wouldn't tell me Lucie. None the less. Yes.

So Bridget did go upstairs and lie down in her third floor bedroom in the attic, which is where our bedroom is, after breakfast was served. So a bit after that around nine o'clock when Lizzie had woken up, Andrew left for work downtown. When he left, Abby went upstairs to the guest room to change the bedding now that Uncle John Morris was gone. Abby went upstairs to the guest room to change the bedding now that Uncle John Morris was going. Bridget woke up a... Bridget woke up after a little nap and Abby asked her to wash all the windows downstairs inside and out. Hmm, sounds like a shitty job. Especially, I'm, I'm like feeling for poor Bridget because she woke up feeling like shit, like sick, puking.

And she's like, wash all the windows. Inside and out. I really can I just have a day off? Like can it just rain? Yeah so Bridget went outside to begin washing the downstairs windows. She was also sick and puked outside. Oh yeah like she was that sick. So there are corroborating witnesses for her alibi here because she also chatted with the maid next door over the fence for a bit during this whole situation. So she was outside the whole time.

So now at this time, Abby and Liz Beth are inside the house. Abby's in the guest room, changing the linens. And Lizzie says she's in the dining reminding handkerchiefs, as one does. But she also says she never heard a sound, and Abby Borden was over 200 pounds. So when she was murdered in the room right above the dining room,

if she fell, which she did, it would have shook the dining room. When you would have heard something. Our thought. Our tour guides confirmed this because they said they dropped something over 200 pounds in that room and it literally shook the dining room. Oh damn.

And I think she said it shook every other room unless you were like in the basement. Literally. So you would have heard it all over the house, especially in the dining room. Right. Yeah. They're directly underneath. So Andrew came home from lunch at a quarter of 11. Early lunch. Early lunch. You think he was Mamosaing it up? I think he probably came home more to like check up on a shit and then was going back. Who knows if he had lunch? you think he was Mamosaing it up? I think he probably came home more to like check up on a shit and then was going back. Who knows if he had lunch. I think he had Mamosa's. Maybe he did.

Can you confirm Andrew? He crosses the dosing round. I'm like, has someone who died here enjoyed a nice Mamosa on the morning of their death? So Bridget later testified that she had just begun scrubbing the inside of the windows when she heard him struggling to open the front door because we as we saw earlier today There were three locks on the door. There still is those three locks. There's three original locks Mm-hmm and Usually they only had one locked so he could let himself in early, but for some reason today

On this day that everybody was murdered in this house, all three were locked. So Bridget also said that she heard Liz Beth laughing at the top of the stairs. Yes. As she walked up to the second floor, which is where the guest room was, which is where Abby Borden was found. Now according to Bridget, Lizzy was coming down the stairs from the second floor at this point, laughing. And Abbey was already dead at this point.

So her body was already laying on the floor in the guest room that is at the top of the staircase. She Liz Beth admits that she came down those stairs. Mm-hmm. We, now, we, so during the trial, you know, one side argued that she wouldn't have been able to see her stepmother's body. The other side was like, oh no, she would have.

And she definitely would have. We can definitely confirm that she would have seen her body end of that bed. There's no, you would see it. So, strike one for Lisba. Do you know what I'm so confused about that? If she did do Abby's murder, wouldn't she be like fucking covered in bloodhead to toe and like when did Bridget ever see her again after that? Well, that's the thing. So I think she, I mean, because think about it, the way that the

guest room is set up is you can go through another bedroom and get too Lizzy in Emma's room so she could have changed real quick. Yep. And Bridget doesn't say that she saw her like clearly okay or anything like that so just saying. Well, because she like got her dad comfy supposedly. Yeah. In this next sequence of events. Exactly. So when she came downstairs Andrew asked Lizbeth where Abby was and Bridget told the court later during the trial that Lizbeth said Abby had got a note from a sick friend who was off visiting said sick friend. Now no sick friend existed and no note was ever found because Abby did not receive a note. Why did Lisbeth say that? To cover her tracks.

I'm so sorry. So sorry Lisbeth but you were. Now Andrew laid down on the sofa in the living room where we are sitting right now. Spook, spook. And his intention was to take a nap. living room where we are sitting right now. Spook, spook. And his intention was to take a nap. Bridget finished cleaning all the windows and she decided to go back into the attic to her room to rest again because she was still not feeling well. At this point, Abby is dead upstairs and has been for a while.

Collegulation. Wolf. So only minutes later, so Bridget had just put her head on the pillow and she said she heard Liz Beth calling up the stairs quote, come down quick, father's dead, somebody came in and killed him. Whoa, it's a little weird to already be saying that somebody came in. Exactly. And if they did, why didn't they also kill you? Exactly.

And why didn't they steal anything? Exactly. That's they did, why didn't they also kill you? Exactly. And why didn't they steal anything? Exactly. That's all she wrote. So she immediately sent Bridget to the doctor across the street. And when he was in home, she sent her to a neighbor and close friend Alice Russell to get help. Now, there was a French doctor and an Irish doctor within stones through distance from the house, one right next door. I think the Irish doctor was right next door. They were fucking around with the Irish docs. The Lizzy wouldn't send her there because they were immigrants, which is rude. Exactly. And sign of the times here that they were very intonativism back then. So they were sending him to them to the American doctor.

We're not going to the French one, we're not going to the Irish one. Meanwhile, she's sending her Irish immigrant maid over to the American doctor and being like, don't go to the Irish immigrant doctor. So if you have seen the black and white crime scene photos, then you know that Andrews face was straight up demolished. D. Mollished. Yes. In fact, right across from us, right now, currently is a photo of that crime scene photo, and it is unsettling.

It looks like ground beef is on his face. Sure does. We also saw autopsy photos from the scene at the, today at the home, they showed us in the dining room. And his face was caved to the fucking. Like you can barely tell that his face is a face in those photos. They said half of his eyeball was hanging out of the socket

when they got there. And that one hit from the ax was, would have likely killed him. He got 10 or 11, depending on what source you look at, hacks all together, so he definitely got a lot of overkill. Wolf. When the cops got there, Bridget and Alice went up to the second floor to get a sheet

to put over Andrew as the cops instructed, which friends blew back then. They would never do that now. I hope not. You never put a sheet over a dead body because that removes a lot of evidence. No matter how many times you see it on CSI or Hawaii 50. Yeah, it's a bunch of bullshit. Now this is when Abby was discovered.

Abby was discovered face down on the floor to the left of the guest bed. One hit, likely the first, was to the front of her head, and the rest had absolutely rained down on the back of her head and her neck. It was a fucking mess. Anger, anger, anger. Now, interesting note, I always thought that she was on her knees in the crime scene photo, which I'm sure a lot of people did. It looks like she is.

Yeah. When she was discovered, her dress had written up, and that was an appropriate for Victorian times, so the cop that found her appropriate for Victorian times. So the cop that found her had pulled her top skirt over the back of her shoes to cover her up. This bunched-up part actually makes it look like she's on her knees and the bunched-up part is actually all the petty coats under her skirt that are still bunched up after being pulled after the skirt on top was pulled down

over her shoes. So she is face down on the floor. She is not on her knees. It's just kind of it's like a weird optical illusion that I didn't know existed. So that's a fun fact. Fun fact about murder. Yeah, we love a fun fact. Yeah, who doesn't? So most people said that Lizzie was calm as a fucking cucumber during this whole thing. And it's not good. And that not a tear was seen. Oh. In fact, a lot of the police said that it was really bothersome to them, like how chill and

stone cold she was, which we know now you can't totally judge people on how they react to the shit. I mean, I laugh at, I laugh in funerals because I have nervous, like, you're like the Joker. So the New York Times did also appreciate the fact that Lizzie was not really showing a whole lot of signs of mourning for her parents. On August 6, in the New York Times, they said, quote, the police are acting slowly and carefully

in the affair giving way, no doubt to feelings of sentiment because of the high social standing of the parties involved. So they were basically like, the police are going to ignore some of these things because they fancy people that they're dealing with. So no search of the boarding house was conducted until 32 hours after the murders. That's no boy no? Yeah, it was a very quick search, but no like thorough search was done until then. And Lizbeth and Emma were not questioned very intensely for like three days after the murders. Now, Lizbeth changed her story several

times, which is never good. I don't recommend doing that. Stick to your story, but not so well that it sounds for her. But they also like don't kill anyone. Yeah, no, don't. Yeah, don't do it so that you have to have a story. So Liz Beth said she had resumed her ironing of the hanker chiffs after her dad came home. But then she said she went outside of the barn and she said she was in there because she was looking to make a weight for a fishing line and she was looking for a piece of something to do that with. Which she apparently did go fishing, or was, excuse me, was going to go fishing. So that does kind of check out as something she would be doing. She also said that she was in the barn looking for a piece of lead to fix a

screen. Too many things. Then she just said she was lingering picking pairs from the trees outside. Is that why there's fucking pairs all over this house? There is pairs everywhere in this house. Like the door handles in the kitchen are pairs. And there's fake pairs in the dining room. Truth. And I think there's also a painting of pairs somewhere. Probably pairs. Pairs. So none of this can be verified, none of her whereabouts, none of her movements, no one saw her doing any of these things. The family doctor that she, that lived across the street claimed that he prescribed her a double dose of morphine after the crimes. It was to help her calm down, sleep, you know, get through this whole thing.

And he said that he thought that would contribute to her changing stories. Does make sense. I think it's just hearsay. Yeah, I think it's him trying to cover up for the family. Now police also found it odd that she literally never cried. Never was. Some of us just aren't cryers. I'm not a cryer at all.

I said some of us like, I'm not a cryer. I literally was just gonna say, I like how you said some. I didn't love myself in with that I'm not a cryer at all so I would hate for people to judge me based on whether I cry or not I've seen a lane of cry once in my entire life. Yeah And actually one of the few times I've like Shed a tear out in the open was because of the James Bulger case, which is why we'll never cover it. I cried like yesterday.

Well then another thing that made it, made Liz Beth do that. You say that? You looked at me. I was hoping that you didn't hear that. I was like, you know what? I think my brain is just coming up with it. It might be the wind because it's a fucking cyclone outside. It is. So if you guys are hearing any like weird ambiance outside, it could be just the monsoon that's occurring outside. Or it could be us fucking dying. So also the lights flickered several times and they left us with a bunch of candles

because they were like, whoops, the electricity might go out. We were all like, what? I was like, if the electricity goes out, I'm leaving Elena. I don't know what you're doing, but I'm leaving. Yeah, because lighting all these candles in the middle of the night. Nasis. Not feeling it. And she gave us like lanterns. I'm like, I literally looked her and I go, oh, no, no, I don't need those because if the power goes out, I'm gone. Like the wind, fabulous. Like, God, like the wind. Uh, so ignoring that sound that we just heard,

then a pharmacist in the neighborhood said that the day before the murders, Lizzie had attempted to purchase Prussic acid from him. That's hydrogen cyanide. Oh, chill. What you need that for Lisbeth, cooking, just cooking. Three men at the pharmacy confirmed that they saw her doing this. I'm just making a new recipe.

And, you know, the pharmacist was like, no. Why? Like, she walked up and was like, hey, can I have hydrogen cyanide? And he was like, nah. And that was it. She was like, bummer. Gotta move on to plan B.

Do you think she got it somewhere because how else was she poisoning them if she put, oh my God. Well, potentially was. I don't think she was poisoning them. If she was poisoning them, I don't think she was doing it with hydrogen cyanide. I wonder what she was doing it with if she was.

I don't think she was. I think they were all just eating bad food and they were like, oh, I think we're being poisoned. And then she was like, maybe that's how she got the idea. Oh, that's smart. She was like, oh, shit, I could poison your ass. Yeah, she was like, this could be as easy as fuck. So then she was like, hey, can I have some hydrogen fucking cyanide? You were about to say peroxide. I was. Got a lot of cuts to clean out around here. Oh, fuck. They did. They really did. I'm leaving now. Wolf. But I think she was like, let me go get some

prusic acid. And she was like, I can just slip this in their food. And they'll just keep thinking that they're getting bad food. But then that didn't, they didn't give it to her. So she was like, plan B, hatch it to the face. Always doesn't always plan B does the trick. Now, there wasn't any blood on the clothing she gave to police, but that didn't matter because her best friend Alice, who later did not stay her best friend, is going to say not a good best friend. Partially because of this moment right here, Alice told investigators that she had pulled a dress out of the pantry, Lisbeth did, the gators that she had pulled a dress out of the pantry, Lisbeth did, on Sunday morning.

And she was like, oh my God, Alice, this dress is covered in paint. What am I gonna do? Oh, I know. And she started burning it in the road stove. Jesus Christ. So Alice was like, you shouldn't do that because your parents got murdered

like four minutes ago and they don't know who did it and they might be looking at you and that's not gonna look good. And there was police like staking up, like watching the house. Literally, like right outside the door. Yeah, like in the hallway. So she was like, maybe don't do that.

Like Elizabeth, I don't know what to tell you. Now, she just kept burning it. So. It was like, it's too late, Alice. I already started. Well, and after it was done, Alice was like, yo, you shouldn't have done that. Girl, verbatim, transcript.

And Lizbeth was like, well, you should have stopped me. And Alice was like, I fucking tried. And Alice was like, are you trying to get me got to? Like, what are you trying to do here? You're trying to put me in this whole thing? Cause I'm not trying to be here. I'm you trying to get me got to? Like, what are you trying to do here? Are you trying to put me in this whole thing? Because I'm not trying to be here. I'm not trying to be here. So the undertaker for her parents

was Mr. James Winnward. He and his assistant had prepared the bodies for embalming in the home, where we are right now. Awesome. They were prepared in the dining room, where we will be now. Awesome. They were prepared in the dining room. Where we will be breakfast tomorrow morning. Oh, food. I don't even think of that.

There's these really cool old antique autopsy tables called cooling boards in here. They're hung on the wall in the dining room. I showed them in the live feed and I'll post a photo on the Instagram when we post the photos for this case. They're really cool guys. And they used to use these to autopsy in the home. I feel like if I look at your Amazon searches later, you're going to be looking for one.

Like on an Etsy shop. I literally told John I want to find an antique cooling board and hang it on our wall. And you're worried about play dates with your children. I really am, guys. I'm really worried. That will definitely add to the spook factor of this place. Because my kids are starting to do play dates now and I was like, oh no. Parents are gonna come over my house and be like, um, why don't we do play dates at our house? Elena literally has a dexter poster hanging in her children's play room.

Sure do. You are who you are. I am who I am. And that's all that I am. Papa. Direct quote. Direct quote. So one of the things that they would definitely do back then is remove the stomachs straight away for toxicology. And they sent them off to Harvard Medical School for Examination. Hey, oh. Shout out to Harvard. Now, the following Saturday was the day of the funerals for Abby and Andrew Borden. And it was five days after the murders. Liz Beth was not wearing the typical morning dress. Oh, would she wear it?

They didn't talk about this. Yeah. And I don't know. So basically, a morning dress, I'll post a photo on the Instagram too, of what a typical Victorian morning dress would be. It's like a high collar. It's very like intricate, very intense.

But Liz Beth was wearing a form-fitting black lace dress. Get it, bitch. With a hat to match. But it was like very saucy. Yeah. Be saucy. Be saucy. Remember, when I didn't know how to dress for events events when you didn't have someone to tell you how to dress

or something when I was in the middle of a neglect in the middle of being neglected. And I was like, you can wear fishnets to a funeral. Yeah. There was a there was a family funeral that like when Ash was living with her mother, we use the term mother loosely. Yes quote unquote. She showed up wearing What I would imagine Hugh Heffner's Ladies would wear to his funeral and at one point I believe

Papa Comments and death you got gotta do it in his voice. She looks like the Playboy bunny coming to the old man's funeral waiting for inheritance. But yeah, it was like full blown like, skin type black dress with fishnets. And at that point, I had bleach blonde hair. Bleach blonde hair down to her waist.

And bright fucking red lipstick. Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna step out to this funeral. Well, the fuck did I think I was? Still my favorite thing. Pa was probably rolling over in his grave. He was like, who the fuck sent this little girl to my funeral?

Get outta here. So yeah, Lizzie was rolling with your vibes. I get it. I get it. But she should not try to end up on worst trestless. She's not. She's not. She's not. She's not. Well, in this time during the death, when the death of a parent occurred, you would typically wear a veil over your face. She was like, I'm not sad about anything. And she did not wear a veil. She was like, I'm smiling through this shit. Well, of course, people around and the newspaper journalists of the time, because they were very well to do and well known family. They all took note of this. It was pretty, so

so in all the newspapers afterwards they were like hey What's Lizzy wearing that's all what all of them were talking about She was seen in color a lot of times after the deaths which you're supposed to be in mourning for a period of time Oh, no, I'm in mourning all the time and actually At her own trial she wore bright cherrycolored ribbons on her black hats. Fuck yeah. And this is like during the year after her parents' death and you're supposed to be fully in mourning, and she was wearing like bright red ribbons to the trial. She was like, I'm celebrating this shit.

She was like, I'm innocent. As fuck. Now what's even weirder is even though both of them both Abby and Andrew received insane wounds for their murders. I mean, again, Andrew didn't have a face. They had an open coffin funeral. Did they really? Yeah, and what they did was they just faced their faces to the other way. Jesus! Like Abby, they just faced her to the part that wasn't as demolished. So that's crazy that they just, I don't know how they were able to pull that off, but good on them. Now, right after the funeral, they were brought to a, they were not immediately like put into the ground, like they should have been.

Maybe that's why the energy here is so bad because it's like they weren't laid to rest right away. Exactly. And they were brought to a holding tomb near the front entry of the cemetery and they did another autopsy on the bodies in the ladies' comfort station at the graveyard. This was actually done. I believe the autopsy, the second autopsy

was done like a week later. So they were like really not laid to rest. They were like left out. Yeah, that's not good. And in that lady's comfort station during that autopsy, their heads were removed. Yikes. Because they wanted to keep them for trial evidence. So their heads were removed and they were boiled down so that you could see just the skull so we could see all the wounds into the skull so they could put the hatchet into it to show that that was the murder weapon. I want to know what unlucky bastard had the job of boiling heads. It's a pretty rough job, I feel like you'd want it.

I don't know if I'd want that one. You are fucked up, but boiling heads sends past my pay grade. Ooh, you fancy, huh? I am fancy. Now, unfortunately, both Emma and Lizbeth did not know that this was happening, which is kind of shitty. Um, so I just heard something. Oh, your face just fucking terrified me. I didn't hear anything. I didn't hear anything? Oh. Fuck me and I think I'm just going crazy. So, around this time, Liz Beth's luck ran out. No!

So in a New York Times article on August 11th, it said, Lizzy Borden is under arrest, charged with murdering her father and stepmother last Thursday morning in their home on Second Street. She was brought into the second district courtroom about three o'clock this afternoon, presumably to give further evidence at the inquest. Miss Borden was accompanied by her sister and Mrs. Brigham. As was the case yesterday, all the proceedings were carried on behind locked doors. So this is where we are going to end. Oh shit. Part one of Lizbeth Borden.

And hopefully you get part two. Because we wanted to end at the arrest because the trial and the aftermath, there's just a lot to cover that I don't think enough people talk about. So, part two, we'll be coming in the next couple of days. We will be recording that in my home, so it won't be as spooky. In a green laundry room. It'll be slumped for it. It'll be slightly spooky because my home was only built like 10 years after this one was.

And we record in the Mades Quarters technically. Exactly. So it's gonna be pretty spooky, but not nearly as spooky as here. No, I really miss the comfort of the laundry room right now. Right? I feel like my house is like zen as fuck. Yeah, compared to this shit. So we're gonna stop here because I wanna get the fuck out of this whole thing and just sit here and pray that we live until morning.

Me too. So stay tuned for part two of Liz Bethbordin and we will be posting our live stream when we can so that those of you who missed it can see it. So we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so where do you come to those ebored house and you take the tour and you're really freaked out and then the tour guide is really great but like you're still pretty scared and then you're sitting in the living room recording an episode about as you're bored and trying to be as respectful as you can. I meant to say most of the time and hopefully we make it out of live so don't keep it that way or by

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