Morbid - Spooky New Orleans Vol. 1

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

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We had such a good time at the show with you guys. We really did. That was so much fun. We got super, super decked out. My gosh, that was so fun. I think someone nailed it by saying that we look like fairies from different realms. And I was like, yes.

Whoa, I didn't even know that was the theme, but that was the theme. We very much do. And then just like the little gifts that people were making of us, because we looked so opposite. Yeah, I was dying. It was like, somebody put one on Twitter that was like my two different person at least. Yes, I saw that.

That was a great thing. But yeah, that was like a lot of fun. We got to do it at the Black Vale and Salem. If you haven't been there, you're the worst. Guys, it's the most beautiful place I've ever seen. They're all amazing there. Matt and Ryan are like the greatest tattoo artist ever. So, literally, I doubt that I will get another tattoo

that's not done by one of the two of them. Oh, no, I know I won't get another tattoo if they don't do it. Yeah, I just know myself and I know that I'm a little bit like, what's the word when you're in Pulse-Sib? In Pulse-Sib. Yes you're in Pulse-Sib? Impulsive, yes, very impulsive. I literally will not have another one done unless they do it.

I feel that way as well. They were phenomenal. Insane. Tell them about your new tattoo. Yeah, I'm so excited. I've got my David Bowie as Jareth the Goblin King tattoo. It looks amazing. And I love it so much.

It literally looks like he's just living inside of my arm and I love it because he is now. And I got the quote, it's only forever not long at all because that's always been a quote that I like really connected with. And I think more so lately I've connected with it because it feels like so many great things are happening. Yeah. And it just feels like everything goes by so quick. So even if it's forever, it's just like It's not long enough. It's fine a second So I got that on there and it's got my drippy little moon. They'll love your drippy little moon I just love it. I'm so happy with it. It's gorge. It just belongs there I got a pin-up witch that I've been wanting for a while She's ran a little broomstick and she is just a fierce mother fucker. She is I did name her Lilith because it felt so right.

I wanted to get a cat named Lilith, but if we got another cat, Franklin and Lux would conspire against us. Yeah, they definitely would. Yeah, so Lilith lives on my arm forever. Lilith is beautiful. She's so gorgeous. I have, I forget what this stuff is called,

but like second skin. Second skin, yeah. We have that on ours, and I'm like dying to get it off there because I just want to parade Lillith around town. Just parade her around town. I'll walk her around town like, hey, this is Lillith. She's happy to meet you. She is. But you know guys, it was so much fun. We loved it. That was our third moment moment, how show and that like trilogy of shows we're doing so much. Hopefully we'll do more, but we're just going to take like a little bit of a breather because you know we're gonna be starting to do three shows a week now. So you're gonna get three episodes, wait not shows, I shouldn't say that, like we're not doing like live shows. No, no, three episodes a week. That was

misleading. Three episodes a week and then we've got some like other cool new shows coming out and just a lot of fun stuff coming out. We're gonna be busy with that stuff and we want to be able to concentrate on it. So we're just gonna busy with that stuff, and we wanna be able to concentrate on it. So we're just gonna take like tiny little pause button on the virtual shows, but it was super fun. Hell yeah, it was so much fun. And you know, maybe we'll put together something for like IRL soon.

Maybe? Like soon, meaning months from now. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Not for today. We'll see. There's all kinds of good things happening.

We're another time. So we're very excited. And today, we are going to talk about something that you shouldn't be excited about, which is like, you know, there's some murder. Yep. Ghosts are pretty exciting, I guess. That's kind of fun.

Depends on the kind of ghost. There's some ghosts in here. OK. There's some ghosts in here. Okay. There's some like gnarly pharmacists, which is not great. No, no, never great. There's also like a plague that everyone like just ignored because it was happening

during like a couple of other events. A plague that everybody just ignored. That sounds weirdly familiar. It like, right, it just kinda like, that's weirdly triggering. Blue under the radar a little bit. So, imagine that. Yeah, I don't triggering. Blue under the radar a little bit. So, imagine that. Yeah, I don't know.

Imagine a play that everyone ignores. This is like a crazy episode, I think, because there were so many things that I was interested in and this, so I just kinda like, threw all of them in this one episode. It's a big, it's a, it's a, It's a, it's a, it's a smorgasbord. It is, it's like a casserole.

Yeah. It had a really yummy casserole of things. I'm never gonna say no to a casserole. I love that. Because you know what? I was feeling in the New Orleans mood. Sometimes I just get in that mood. I get it.

You wrote a whole book about that. Yeah. And I've been looking at stuff to do with that. Like, stay tuned. But I have been looking at that. And I've been like, rereading things. So I'm like, I was like, you know what? I've got to do an Orleans case. But I was like, I don't know. I want to do like rereading things. So I'm like, I was like, you know what? I got to do an oral in this case.

But I was like, I don't know, I want to do something spooky. Yeah. So I found it. So you took it to a place of spooky spooky nola. I did. I took it to a place of nola. So we're going to talk about that crazy little pandemic that happened to nobody.

Well, like I say nobody do about it. But it was highly ignored. OK. Basically, people knew about it because they were suffering from it, but we're going to start with that just because it interested the hell out of me and scared the hell out of me. And then we'll go into the ghost stories. Okay, cool.

So during the infamous Spanish flu pandemic, which we talked about on the show before, that was like a pretty infamous event, but there was something even more well known that was happening during that, which was World War I. That was a pretty big event. It was. There was also a crazy terrifying hidden plague that was going on and it got buried by all those things. So this plague was called lethargic encephalitis.

Lethargic encephalitis. Or encephalitis lethargic. If you're nasty, if you're nasty, thank you for doing that. You knew it. You knew it was in there. We didn't do saying that a lot lately. We have. I said that to John the other day and he was like, John is always in a place of all.

He's always in a place of taking his head. What it comes to the two of us saying, drum things. So in Sepilitis, lethargicah, it honestly seems like something made up in a terrifying horror fantasy novel. It's really scary. I'm going to be, I mean, if you ask me, which like you didn't, but I'm here. I did. I did with a microphone. I telepathically said, why was it so scary? So this plague started somewhere at the end of 1916, possibly early 1917, and it looks like it began in Europe, but then quickly spread all over the world. The first mention and pseudo-diagnosis of this disease came from the psychiatric neurological

clinic of the University of Vienna, and it was found by Dr. Constantine von Ekonomo. I'm sure I butchered that. I'm sorry I'm American. You're doing amazing. He noticed a lot of patients coming in with strange symptoms that could possibly be different things like he could fit them in with like meningitis and things like that, but they weren't lining up clinically like perfect with that. So he was like, what is this? Right.

What's going on? There was very intense lethargy associated with the patients that were coming in with these symptoms, and the symptoms that they had were stranger and stranger as they went on. So he began writing about it, and he referred to the diagnosis of these patients as being from what he called

in cephalitis lethargic. Apparently at the same time, a French doctor was seeing the same kind of things in the hospital where he was at, and his name was Renee Crochet. And he also was baffled that these patients were obviously not being able to be placed into an existing clinical diagnosis.

So this illness could be found like a lot of illnesses to present as acute, and then it would roll into a chronic phase, which is scary. Both these phases suck ass like a lot. Oh. So I'm going to refer to it probably like a lot as EL, just so I don't have to keep saying the same bad. Yeah, that's all, it's a big one. So acute EL would start as a really shitty version of the flu.

You got the gastrointestinal issues, you got fever, chills, vertigo, all kinds of shitty things. I know it's a little scary, but then this would pass into neurological distress. Now the one, I know, the faces that Ash is making right now, trust me, this changes drastically from what you think it is. From a place of code From a place of code. From the pace of the charge. To a place of very scary. Oh no. So the one most would suffer from was hemoplasia, which is when one side of your body just goes into paralysis,

while the other is completely fine and working as it did before. So often, when now would start, the person would just go into a deep sleep and wouldn't wake up for sometimes weeks. Like a straight up coma. Okay. Now, even now we don't have a test to diagnose this.

So it just ends up being something rare that they will have to accidentally stumble upon diagnosing you with. Like not for real, like accidentally stumble upon. Yeah, yeah. But they just like exclude all other clinical diagnoses and just like end all other clinical diagnoses and just like end up on this

and are like, I guess this is it. What the fuck? Because there's no formal test and there never was because they can't figure this thing out. That's really terrifying. It is. So the acute form of this had a few initial forms like phases that it went through.

One of these was the somnolent ophthalmoplegic phase. Oh, just that. Just that. Great job, I'm like, thank you. I had to look up the pronunciation, but now we got there. We did. Sometimes, you know, you look up the pronunciation, and you're like, okay, I got it.

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But this was the most common phase. This phase caused severe delirium in the patient and uncontrollable body ticks. This is the phase that makes patients feel extreme lethargy. They would be unable to stay awake, and when they would sleep, it would be for days at a time, sometimes weeks. This is the scariest part to me. This whole thing would then go into the patient experiencing pseudosomnalyms, which is when

they would fall into the sleep while literally doing anything. In the middle of speaking, eating, using the bathroom, walking, the patient would just drop. Once this happened, that sleep, like I said before, would be significantly long, but pseudo-somnelins caused this patient to have their eyes wide open. And they would be fully aware of everything happening around them. The entire time they were asleep, quote unquote. Now, when you have narcolepsy and like you like, because you fall asleep, if you have narcolepsy, like quickly,

there's different types of narcolepsy. I think a lot of people think narcolepsy is just like you fall asleep all the time. Yeah. But that's not the case. There's like a lot of things that are going to epilepsy that have to do with that. Because my question was gonna be if like this plague was causing so many neurological disorders,

is narcolepsy a neurological disorder? I believe it is. Fun fact, it is, we just looked it up. I figured I knew it was, but I was like, I don't wanna say that without listening to that. So my question was like, is this causing narcolepsy, but this is not narcolepsy? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but this is not narcolepsy? No, nowhere in any of the things I found

where they're describing this as narcolepsy. This is like a very different thing. Okay. Because in narcolepsy, you're going to sleep. Like you're sleeping. So you're not aware of what to do. And like in a coma, like you're in a coma. But this was just like this catatonic state

where you would just lay there with your eyes open, unable to move, and just seeing everything that was going on around you and hearing it. Sleep paralysis, but even different than that. That's exactly it. And these patients would later come out of their like quote unquote, sleep and tell their loved ones everything they saw and heard while they were asleep. And be like, I heard all of it. The fuck? And a neurologist named Oliver Sachs in 1973

was studying this and he said about this, they neither conveyed nor felt the feeling of life. They were insubstantial as ghosts and as passive as zombies. And that's what's crazy. These patients were literally seen as like zombies because they were in a state of awake and sleep and appeared to be dead.

And this phase was definitely the one with the highest mortality rates. Over 50% of patients suffering from this phase would die. So like this would just happen at random times and then eventually they would die. Yeah, because as we'll talk about, there's a lot more that comes after this. Okay. So a couple of other forms of the secutial that you could suffer from were the hyperkinetic form and the amyostatic Akinetic phase. So the hyperkinetic phase included patients suffering from myorhythmia of the ocular and mastocatory muscles, which is rare and happens when there are involuntary jerks

and ticks of the eyes and your jaw at the same time. Ooh, that sounds very unpleasant. Right, these movements wouldn't be limited only to the eyes and jaw though, like that would happen at the same time, but it was the whole body as well. Like a series of involuntary movements would plague the patients from every corner of their body. What the fuck? And these movements would cause involuntary movements would plague the patients from every corner of their body.

What the fuck? And these movements would cause involuntary screaming and vocalizations as well. Stop! And it wasn't over though. All of this happened and then they would slip into a manic phase of the hyperkinetic phase. This is where patients would start to hallucinate things during the day and at night, and their sleep cycles would reverse completely. Almost like a narcoleptic kind of thing.

But pain would set in because of the movements, and then extreme lethargy would follow. Isn't this like horrifying? It sounds so terrible. It gets worse. No, it look how though. The amniostatic a-kinetic phase was the one that was the scariest one to me. It sounds even its name is scary. It just sounds scary.

It was the rarest phase, and it caused patients to suffer from waxy flexibility, and this is where their limbs would become completely rigid, and could only be maneuvered by someone else like a doll. What? Yes. So you became a fucking Mary Annette doll? Someone could move their limbs for them, and the limbs would stay in that position until someone else moved it again.

So like literally like a Barbie. You would literally become a doll. No, that's so scary. Yeah. And this is for real. This is real. So how meant, like, has this, has this happened anytime recently again? So luckily it died out.

Okay. But there are very rare times when it can happen. Oh my God. And I'll talk about how they think of trans-mits and all that, but it's very not a lot is known about it so. So, okay, I'll wait. So sometimes these patients would just be immobile and rigid, like a dead body for days.

Oh my god. And it's like somebody with like rigor mortis. Yeah, like you're just cracking the rigor mortis and moving it into a different position. That's what I was thinking. And with even scarier is during this whole thing, the waxy flexibility phase, their faces would not change or show emotions.

So like, what if you raised their eyebrow and today raised- You could literally just like be- and you couldn't like they could not make their muscles make any kind of emotion on their face. It was just like a doll. This is so scary. And this could last for months. Months. Months.

No. Then we'll talk about the chronic phase. There's another one. So, another one. So, another one. So another one. So another one. You should see if you can stand in for DJ Colin. I should. It sounds so spot off.

Nobody knew that that was me. They thought it was a DJ. DJ Colin. DJ Colin. So yeah, so there's usually an acute phase and a chronic phase. There's, you know, that's happening with COVID, even like chronic stuff is happening. Yay. So the chronic phase of there's, you know, that's happening with COVID, even like chronic stuff is happening. Yay.

So the chronic phase of lethargic and cephalitis was terrifying. It could come immediately after the acute phase. Awesome. Or sometime years later, and we just hit a patient, oh, when you had moved on with your life grade. Yeah, after they thought they had recovered, one patient got it, 45 years after having in a Q case. No. Yep, no.

Yep. Patients would develop Parkinson's and suddenly fall right back into the sleep issues that they were having in the hallucinations, but then they would also get respiratory issues and neurological issues on top of it. I need to know where the fuck this thing came from. Oh yeah, one of the fuck this thing came from. Oh yeah.

One of the scariest things to come from chronic lethargic encephalitis was sudden, what is it, what is it, ah, at oculo gyric, there it is, oculo gyric crisis,

which is the sudden involuntary upward deviation of the eyeballs. Stop it. So your eyes would just roll back in your head without your consent, and it would last hours. And you could not move them back. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, don't tell me that. No matter what you would do,

your movements wouldn't cause those things to come back down. Eyeball things are literally not for me in any way, shape or form. It gets worse. No, you need to stop saying that is the thing. It gets worse. Besides these horrifying symptoms, patients with chronic lethargic and cephalitis can sometimes also experience a host of psychological symptoms, ranging from, like I said, hallucinations, extreme

emotions, and excessive puns, is one of the things that is listed. Are you affected by this? It's called I Do Love A PUN. You love a PUN. But then I looked it up, it's an actual thing. How? So what makes that a called? It is called witzel suit.

Witzel suit. And it can happen when certain parts of the brain connected to the frontal lobe have been damaged. Like people will suddenly fall into a thing where like they cannot stop making puns. What? Like it's a real thing. And because I can always connect anything

to Sabrina the Teenage Witch, the original run. Always. There was an episode where one of them put on a belt, some magical belt that made it so they had to tell like a million puns before it would come off. Do you think they were inspired by you? It was like, were you talking about Wetzel Suit? They might have been.

I think they were inspired by Wetzel Suit. But I was like, but that happens when like, traumatic brain injuries happen. Like, that's not a fucking joke. So that same thing happens from a TBI. It can happen, yeah. Like, it can happen. It has to be like, I think a very specific

illusion of the brain. Or some very specific connection, which I'm not even sure they are fully sure, which connection needs to be like severed or damaged. But it's like but it can happen. The brain. The brain is a wild bitch. But that can happen.

What's so suites can happen because of chronic lethargic and sephilitis? I, the thing is, I feel like I hear about these things, and then I'm a hypokondriac, so I think that I'm experiencing them, so I'd like to personally thank you so much for this episode. You're welcome. Tomorrow I'm gonna be punnin' out for days like to personally thank you so much for this episode. You're welcome.

Tomorrow I'm gonna be pondering out for days. Well, and you know, it gets worse. So you should literally name this episode. It gets worse. You know what? I think I might actually subtitle this. It gets worse. EL, it gets worse.

It gets worse. Some of the scariest cases happen to 30% of chronic lethargic encephalitis, the sufferers, and it puts them in a straight-up psychosis. various cases happen to 30% of chronic lethargic and cephalitis that suffers and it puts them into straight up psychosis. Worc even was the fact that this happens to children more than adults. Oh, and that's so sad because,

I mean, you don't understand this anyway, but kids are probably like, what the fuck is happening to me? Oh, and get ready, because it's gonna get gnarly for a second, just a little warning. No, no, no. Children begin experiencing violent outbursts

and harming themselves and others. Oh. Young kids would attempt to harm sexually assault and murder those around them, including their own siblings. What? Young children too, like eight-year-olds and 10-year-olds and shit.

One documented case happened, and it is an every medical thing about this Where an eight-year-old girl pulled out her teeth and then calmly gouged out both of her eyes. Oh no Thank you. Yes. Nope nope because of a lethargic encephalitis. Oh my god And everyone experiencing these bouts of extreme violent psychosis Could describe the events later and said they felt like zombies during it. So did they feel pain when this would happen? I don't think they felt if they felt pain, then they just didn't care.

Like they knew they hated doing whatever they were doing. Like they said I was repulsed by my behavior, but I felt compelled to do it. What the fuck? Isn't that horrifying? That's so sad for that little girl because like did she recover and then she was blind. I was blind. And out about her like a prognosis after that. That's so sad.

But at what cost at that point she pulled out her teeth and her eyes. Like all of them. And they said she like calmly just fucked out her eyes. No, I need you to stop. Now a great number of these survivors, especially children, ended up in institutions or ending their own lives just to end the torment. That's the thing because that's exactly the perfect word. It's torment.

It's truly torment. And how did it spread? Yes, we still don't fucking know. Get out of here. There's evidence of it being highly transmissible like person to person, ala COVID, and there's evidence that it doesn't get past person to person. To me, it feels very COVID sometimes, like sometimes it's going to knock down everyone around you. Yeah. And then sometimes people will just mysteriously avoid it even being in the same house. And this is a virus. Yeah, this is a virus. And possibly there was different mutations and

strains that they just weren't known about at the time. Oh, maybe that's why some of those strains were more contagious, some more transmissible. Yeah, but they couldn't figure it out because it also didn't last long enough for them to really do as much. And at the time, they didn't have the technology that we obviously have now. So one example of this is from 1919. So this is only a few years after it started. And there was a wild outbreak at the Derby and Derby Shear Rescue and Training Home for Girls. Okay. In a period of two weeks, 12 out of 21 girls came down with lethargic and cephalitis. Wow. Six died within two weeks of being diagnosed. Oh my gosh.

Treatments were basically nothing. Like, they didn't really have anything to treat you with. They used electroconvulsive therapy, but there was no cure or real productive treatment that they could find. Wow. There's legit thunder right now. There's thunder.

And it was lasting for so long that I was like, it's also sunny in like a million degrees out right now, so it's like, yeah. Well yeah, and then tomorrow it's supposed to be super cool to like cold front meets a warm front. You know, just meteorology in here. Meteorology with us. But it was like rumbling off of the distance as I was talking.

It just kept going. But it makes sense that it's undery right now what you're talking about. It does. The doom and gloom of it all. What the fuse. But it makes sense that it's under you right now. What you're talking about. It does. The doom and gloom of it all. What the fused. So that's the thing. It's like that Derby sheer that Derby and Derby sheer like rescue and training home. That would showcase that it's highly transmissible person to person because they're all living

together. Yeah. But then there were other like I found a bunch of other things that said like a whole family would have like one person would get it. No one person would get it, no one else would get it. Like with COVID. So I feel like there had to have been mutations and strains of this that they just weren't able to detect at that time. That makes sense. But they didn't really, like I said, they had nothing to really treat this with. This might be like a really stupid question, but is there any way that they could study it now? Like, could they find the virus? Well, the, I mean, the thing is this kind of piece it out.

Like, it's so rare now that I don't even know. I still want to know. It's like a thing, but like, don't they want to know so that, like, what if it happens again? Well, yeah. I mean, by like, how are they really going to... Well, that was my question. I don't really know if they can. What?

And all this kind of brings me to the notion that medicine and medical treatments for these types of things were not great, even at that time, like in the 20s, you know what I mean? I mean, it makes sense. But before then, it was abysmal. Like, we thought that was bad. Medicine was terrifying and like,

just they would just like throw willy-nilly things at a wall to see what would fix. Now, Louisiana and New Orleans in particular was hit pretty hard with lethargic and cephalitis. I wonder what the reason was for that. They weren't hit like particularly hard, like they didn't get it above and overall everybody, but they definitely got hit hard. They were among the hardest.

Yeah, they were just among some of the the gnarly ones. And in 1922, doctors were fumbling to try to find a diagnosis like just to or had something to diagnose it properly. And by then medicine had at least at 1922 medicine had at least moved past the point of like do some cocaine about it. Like that was that that was like a thing way back then. Oh yeah. But like two years prior to this I believe in 1920 penicillin was discovered. So like great. They were moving in the right direction at this point. Like, you know, so there was a little more penicillin curse like everything. And what's crazy is by 1926, the disease just like

seemingly stopped. It just vanished. It just dwindled into nothing. And by 1930, it was all but forgotten. Wow. And now it's like nowhere. I couldn't even find a place. You don't know where, because she had hers. She had, it was, whoo. That's insane. So I just had to go through that, because that astounded me and fascinated me.

I was like, everybody needs to know about this. How does this carry into the rest of the episode? It's very loosely, but we're gonna go with it. That's a good thing. That's because I was hella interested. I'm glad. It was just really scary. How does this carry into the rest of the episode? Um, it's very loosely, but you know, we're gonna, that's a good thing. Because I was hella interested. I'm glad. It was just really scary.

It was like medical stuff is scary. We are gonna talk about medical stuff and like pharmacies and stuff, so I figured it was a nice little segue into all of it. And I found it while I was looking at these things, so I was like, there we go. You find something like this, you got to tell other people. I got to share it. I can't just hold this in. I was telling John about it and he was like,

okay, can you just tell everybody else? Yeah, he probably got nervous like me. Yeah, he was like, I don't want that at all. He was like, I feel like knowing about it will make me have it. That's how I feel. Exactly. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪

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recording the AXMEN of New Orleans episode. What a better time. And how we were just like, whoa, they were wearing masks and like stores were shut down. That's insane. That must have been so wild. That was crazy. And then we ate our hats about that. And now I'm like, well, how are things even before this medically? Like what was going on? It was bad.

So let's travel back in time a bit in New Orleans. Okay. It wasn't until 1804 that there were any kind of laws or regulations regarding medicine and pharmacies or pharmacists. Oh, good. That's right. Before that, it was just like a free firm. You know what I would love to just do this.

So you just like open a store and be like, well, I can blood let you if you'd like to come in. Wolf. Yeah. So in 1804, Governor William Clay and be like, well, I can blood let you, if you'd like to come in. Wolf. Yeah. So in 1804, Governor William Clayborn was like, wait a second. Maybe we should actually be making sure that people who are diagnosing and treating

unknown and deadly diseases know what they're doing, like have some kind of credential. Yeah, and that they're not just like poisoning people with reckless abandon. I feel like this is like a great move to make. Good for him. Good for him, man, because these new laws went into motion and it made it so that if you wanted to open a pharmacy

and be a pharmacist, you had to go through a three hour oral exam and also go to school. And it had to be given by trusted doctors like this whole thing had to happen. Good. If you passed to that, you were in. Before that, nobody had done that. Wow.

So the first person to pass this exam officially was Louis J. DeFilo. Get it, Louis? Now, after he completed his studies at the College of Pharmacy in Paris, France, he ended up running the first officially regulated and trusted pharmacy in the United States. Very cool.

What a badass. Yeah. So he was like the first licensed pharmacist. I was in states. I wasn't sure if we were rooting for him or not. We are. We're badass. Yeah, so he was like the first licensed pharmacist. I was in states. I was in chair If we were rooting for him or not. We are we're rooting for him. Okay. He's pretty rad I didn't know if you were like throwing me for a lot. I won't do that to you So he married Emmy Adele Becknell and had which like a full right any Adele Becknell Oh, it's just like it's pretty I would introduce myself to people constantly my entire name all the time

I would never stop introducing myself. And I wouldn't take his name. I'd be like, my name is Emmy Adele Decknell. You have a name that cool. Get out of here. Yeah, exactly. Together, they had seven children. A lot.

A lot of children. When they opened the pharmacy and townhouse together, because remember, they opened the first license photography pharmacy together. There you go. They added a soda fountain, a post office. I think there was like a hardware store, like a convenience thing to make it like a one-stop shop

in New Orleans. A strip mall. They literally did. Because back then, pharmacies were that. They were like a place to hang out. And like, I remember when we were doing the Leopold and Loeb episode, we did for like one of our live shows,

which I think I'll probably, we'll probably re-record that at some point because like, that's a crazy tale and that was like a long time ago. And I feel like you could go even more in depth now. Exactly. I remember part of that was, because it was around this time period

and I remember part of that was like, they would go, like they talked about how you would go hang out at a pharmacy and an egg, candy and drinks and blah, blah, blah. It wasn't just like an apothecary. It was an arcade event. It was like a cool place to hang out, I guess. So they made it like a really cool place to hang out.

And this pharmacy was at present day, 514 Charter Street in New Orleans. And it's a museum today. Oh, very cool. You can go there and see the apothecary museum, like the pharmacy museum. And the original building. Yeah, oh, I love that. I want to go so bad. Yeah, let's go. He lived with his family in the pharmacy until 1855. So the building had been built to have the pharmacy on the bottom floor and then two floors on top where they could live. Okay. He and his

family stayed here working, living, experiencing some traumas, like the loss of two of their young children in the home. Oh, not at once, but just two at different times thanks, like the loss of two of their young children in the home, not at once, but just two at different times, thanks to like the 1800s of it all, basically. Yeah. And then in 1855, he wanted to bring his family back to France to live because that's where he was from. So he retired after 30 years of being

the first pharmacist in the United States. He was fair. And he sold the pharmacy for $18,000 to a man named Dr. Joseph Dupas. He's a dick, isn't he? This guy was an evil fuck. I just felt it. Yeah. He's an evil fuck.

No one liked him. And I think he was like a battle medic from the war. Okay. But he was like shit. Oh great. Awesome. He was not shit. That's who we want as a pharmacist. Yeah, you don't want that.

No one liked him. And the popularity of the pharmacy really just plummeted. People didn't trust him, but he was kind of like a necessary evil to them. So they just kind of used him reluctantly. And because he sucked and no one wanted to come to his pharmacy, he kind of just forced them to come to his pharmacy. So the way he would do it was he would put things like heroin and cocaine in his mixtures

of medicine when they were never necessary or when they were just normally not used in those medicines. Because remember, those were things that he used before. So he was making people dependent on the medicine. He would add them in exactly not for the healing properties, but because they were addictive and it would make customers keep having to come back again and mention that. He also would add voodoo into his practices, but he was not a professional and he was not careful or respectable about it.

He did it recklessly and sloppily, so he caused a lot of uproar that way. And he literally used his position to perform horrific medical experimentation on random people because pharmacists at this time acted as doctors as well. They would do like minor things. So he would test medications of his own creation or he would like blood let and test how long people would bleed out. He used scissors and razor blades on small issues when he didn't need to like cut people out.

What the fuck is this guy? He was fucked. And seemingly he would just love the pain. And just like he just liked having helpless victims who would come to him for medical help. So in other words, he was a serial killer. Yeah, essentially. Most notably, and most often, young poor pregnant women are the people he would test on. No.

He would test poisons and force feed the medications that would kill their child or kill child and mother together. Oh, no. You literally caused miscarriages. Many of them were killed in the process like the mother was too. And he would were killed in the process, like the mother was, too, and he would bring them to the back alley of the pharmacy, where he would throw their remains into a waiting carriage, and then bring them somewhere to dump them.

And how did nobody catch on to this? Well, they did. So to this day, no one knows the amount of victims, because a lot of them were poor. Right. A lot of them, like, just, he used that to his advantage. He prayed upon them. But some remains were found after his death, and they were found in the courtyard behind the building. He had buried them. I'm so pissed that it was after he died.

So you don't have to do it. You don't have to face anything. And he was questioned by police before he died, because neighbors saw the strange coming and goings of patients. So the strange comings and not goings of patients. Yeah. And they were the ones who alerted authorities, but there was no proof to tie him to anything.

He would just, because he would just claim these pregnant women moved back to wherever they came from. And that was that. He was like, oh, he came to me for this medicine. I gave him to where she's gone. Wow. And a lot of them didn't have a lot of family or people they were connected to. Yeah. Wow, and a lot of them didn't have a lot of family or people they were connected to yeah

Luckily this fuck died of syphilis in 1897 Oh fucking hell. So that's a good thing. They get an amen. Can I get a hell? Yeah Now remember this place is still open as a museum now wolf with everything set up like it is It's like pretty remarkable. I want to see it, but there's some residual It's like pretty remarkable, I wanna see it. But there's some residual, some energy happening with feeling, going around. Practicing voodoo with no experience and murdering people, like hand in hand. That might lead to some hauntings.

Yeah, I feel like that, he feels like he was like, he was like a really, really, really bad Dr. Facilié. Is that the guy from Princess and the Frog? Because you took that thought from my brain. I just want to let you know that that was my thought. Like, he was messing with things he should have been messing with. Yeah. I love that movie so much.

And, but like, and at least Dr. Faciliet had some kind of like, know how this guy did not. He had nothing. He just like, but he, oh, I think he opened a shit up that he shouldn't have opened. I think so too. I think it already sounds like that, and I don't even know what happened.

It does. So apparently people will see an apparition of a man in a brown suit and hat with a mustache, and they're said to be seeing him a lot. This is for me. This is thought to be Dr. Dupas because he often dressed like this. Like he was always wearing his brown suit.

He would have a lab coat over it. Sometimes people see that lab coat. Of course he dressed like a big old bag of poop. Of course he did. Employees who work at the museum say people will see him and then the alarm will be tripped. And they'll come in to see this and like at night, the alarm will trip a lot. And they'll come in to see the place like kind of ransacked, like but not nothing stolen, just things thrown around. But with no evidence on the cameras

of anyone entering or leaving the building. Like, and they see things flying around. But they can, like, I don't know if they have that on camera, but they'll come in and they'll see, like, things scattered. And, like, the entrance cameras show that, like, no one came in, no one came out. And the doors remain locked. Terrifying. So visitors will also say they feel a heaviness in the museum, like really immediately. Yeah, but particularly any visitor who is pregnant, they say they feel like overcome with emotions in that museum.

And if they travel to the second floor, where he would perform a lot of his heinous medical experimentation that ended in death, many say they will experience nausea and lightheadedness, or they'll feel cramping in their stomach. Ooh, I would not go here. Which is like, holy shit. I know now I'm like, wait until you had that baby.

Yes, after what is a gestation? And people obviously think this is like the pregnant victims, like the spirits of them, like just reaching out. Ooh, yeah, it's like really scary. I can get into the chill. Yeah. It's not chilly, Willie. That is heavy AF.

Now people also will see a young boy and a young girl running around in period clothing. Oh, okay. These are thought to be the spirits of the young children that belong to the original owners, Dr. DeFilo and his wife. I feel like they should be in France. I know, the ones who passed away in the home, obviously.

And they're reported to be be happy but very mischievous And patrons have seen them and thought they were just like part of some like they were like oh They dressed up little kids in Miracle, right? No, we did not do that. Yeah, like we had that More of the stories that no one has ever actually dressed in That's a myth. I feel like that happens a lot like all the lighthouse as we've done are people like I thought it was part of the show And it's like it's never part of the show never like it's just it's never part of the show If we ever if we ever go anywhere and I see somebody dressed in period clothing I'm gonna assume that that person is dead and a ghost. Oh, yeah, I'm assuming that's okay

I'm not gonna ask anybody if anybody's dressed up. No, what I'm gonna do is go straight over to that person And be like are you fucking ghost? Or are you just an actor in period? It's cool. We are cool Yeah, we can vibe are you or are you or are you Or are you just an actor? Because it's cool in periods. It's cool. We are cool. We can vibe. Are you or are you or are you not a spirit, bro? You go over to the guy dressed in period clothing. You say, what the fuck is up Kyle? And they just go, whoosh.

And then they say goodbye. Good farewell. Ta-ta, a tough one out. Whatever their periods goodbye was. they say, deuces. D deuces. Why doesn't that ever happen? We talk about this a lot because we haven't seen anybody honned yet. No, we haven't.

That's why it hasn't happened. It hasn't happened. Does it say we haven't seen anybody? You haven't. But I just let it go. I've seen a lot of haunted people. You see, actually, I haven't, well, yeah, I've also seen some ghosts. So I've seen it all. I've seen it all see I've some shit

So yeah, so some have also seen a woman a women Guys, we are trailing off. Woo It's you know after like it's we've had a lot going on this week. We're sloppy. I'm slap happy like we've had a lot going on this week. So, we're sloppy. I'm slap happy. So, a lot of people will see a woman walking around the courtyard in the back and seeming to be sad or lost in thought.

When they approach her, she vanishes quickly or she hurries away and then seems to vanish. She says, leave me alone. Yeah, she's like, everyone leave me alone. Now, that's the crazy pharmacy in New Orleans. Sure was. Speaking of medical shit in New Orleans, let's end our chat with a doomed affair,

a murder in a quarantine hospital, huh? Let us. Let's do that, okay. So let's do that, okay. In 1803, a married couple moved to the French quarter together, and they were gonna build a business together. They were like, the world is our oyster. Let's go. They were Guillemar and Mary Wheaton. They moved from France. Mary Wheaton. I know. Is that, is that, is that huh? It is in her.

But isn't that funny? Yeah, part of my case was, what's her name? Mary Eleanor? Oh, we're on a different page. I was thinking about Wheaton College. Oh, there's that too. Yeah. Either way, this isn't her. Okay. Um, so Mary Wheaton, uh, and they arrived in New Orleans and bought two buildings on the same block. So one of them was 508 to loose street and 514 to loose street. One was set up to be a feed store, which is like food for livestock and shit. Indeed. And the other was an oyster shucking house. Which I thought you would love. Fucking go. I can shut a oyster. You could have worked here. Yeah. What if you would have loved it? Maybe not. Probably not. I don't think I definitely would not. Thank you. Unfortunately soon after opening these, Mar,

like, Gim, he died of yellow fever. Oh. Because that was like, ripen. That was really just everywhere. Everyone who was dying was dying of yellow fever. And Mary soon met another man named Joseph Bapten-Dier. And they married in 1806. So she was just like, okay, bye Geum. Bye. And then she was going on to the next.

So this was actually Mary's third marriage. And she had amassed quite a bit of money from her precious husbands. Okay. By all accounts, like she was not, there's nothing nefarious when it comes to Mary's marriages. She's just unlucky in love. She was just unlucky,

but she was getting a lot of money from it. So, and she was a business boss too. So she kept those businesses running constantly, like when a husband would die, she took over and that was her thing. Respectable. Now obviously to everybody, She kept those businesses running constantly, like when a husband would die, she took over and that was her thing. Respectable. Now, obviously to everybody, it seemed like this guy, this Joseph Bob-Tendier, he seemed

like he was kind of after the money a little bit, because like one, she had a lot of money and two, it was soon after her husband died. Three, he was like apparently everywhere I saw, it describes him as very unattractive. They were like, he was just this sloppy, balding guy. Very. That's where I found the description of him is always sloppy and balding. And in a not attractive way, you can be balding and be fine.

Plenty of balding, they're just super weird. I'm just saying, I'm sticking up for you guys balding. It's fine. We got you, it's okay. This guy though. No. Well, he's probably a dick. He is a dick and he was sloppy and gross. Yeah, get out of here. So they married in 1806. Oh, I just love that sound. It is the sound of another sale on Shopify, the all-in-one commerce platform to start run and grow your business.

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like immediately having an affair. I hope he balds even more, right? So, and because this is where all horrific ghost stories I feel like and like bad vibes happen, there's always an affair always involved. Both of our cases the other night, each of our affairs, and we actually did not plan that. Narly affairs, that's always how it should've been named

Narly affairs. Just gonna say that. No, we didn't do that. Idiots. Hindsight, you know? 2020. So he started a very torrid affair with a woman named Angelique Dubois.

I mean, if you're gonna have a torrid affair with anybody, it's gonna be with Angelique Dubois. Yeah, Angelique Dubois only has Torre de Faires. Yeah, she's got the time relationships. Nothing else. She has Torre de Faires. She doesn't give her heart to anybody. Angelique's heart is her own.

Angelique Dubois. Dubois. And apparently she was described as like beautiful obviously because her name is Angelique Dubois. And she had brown hair down to her waist. Ooh, girl. And like was just like very ethereal looking. Like she's Angelique Dubois and she had brown hair down to her waist. Ooh girl. And like was just like very ethereal looking like she's Angelique Dubois. I love it.

You know. So Angelique Dubois, you know, she's going down with her. She has head space in her head rent free like the kids say. Oh, absolutely like the youths. Because I fucked that up real bad. She has space in your head rent free. That's good. She has some rented space in your head. That's free.

And she doesn't even pay for it. So that's what the kids are calling it. That's what the kids say. Well, Angelique actually did pay rent because she actually worked in the feed store. He owned with his wife, whoof, by the way. She also rented a small room on the third floor of the building. Oh, so he was up on the third floor a lot, so he was shitting where he worked.

So he's a fucking cat. Is what he is. Oh, a cat? He's a cat. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of take off a glove, slap him across the face and go, you cat. What cat is like an ass? Yeah, like you see.

Cat. Oh, I've never heard that. I think, oh my god, I think that's in a Sabrina the Teenage Witch episode. Wow. Actually, who are you even? I think they, oh my God, it is. It is? Okay, guys, brief break, because we're crazy.

That's a fun episode. It's a fun episode. We're here. Yep, there's an episode where Harvey gets put under, nope, not Harvey, her other boyfriend there gets put under a spell. And he turns in like some gross like creepy. Yes, Josh, good job. Thank you.

And he has that creepy, they give him like a creepy little pencil mustache. And he acts like a creeper. Okay. And the way to break the spell is she has to slap him across the face and say, you can't. And then it breaks the spell. I'm googling CAD.

I'm doing it. I've never heard this. I love it. I think it needs to be brought back. I suppose I have, because I've probably seen that episode. I just think that we should bring it back. Is all a CAD. I also feel like we should bring it back, is all. A cat.

I also feel like we should play the clip really quick, so do one. Hold on. Don't be afraid to swim. I'll be here to catch you. OK, he's under a cat's spell. I need to do this. You can't.

I'm done. I googled it, too. And it means a man who behaves dishonorably, especially toward a woman. And then for the similar words, scoundrel. Scoundrel. Which I love that word. I honestly, I did not see it in anything. I just was re- when I read about him, I was like, what a fucking cat. You just popped into my brain.

A phenomenal vocabulary. Thank you. Ma would be, what a fucking cat. You just popped into my brain. A phenomenal vocabulary. Thank you. I mean, she's like around. She's pregnant. My would be probably. She would be still around you. She's like over there. She's over there.

She's fine. Yeah, so he's a fucking cat. Yes, he really is. He's a whole schedule. I love being able to prove that I can connect anything to Sabrina the 2-H witch. Everybody has a talent that just happens to be one of yours. That is mine.

I want to watch that episode. So do it after. Angelique Dubois is clearly not going to just step aside. You know this. Gals like her are at the forefront. She's a gorgeous, gorgeous girl. She's a gorgeous, gorgeous girl. But is she kind of a bitch?

Yeah, I mean, she's having a fair with a married man. And it gets worse because of course, their affair was like very intense, but like not that long when this happened. So all of a sudden, she's like, you need to leave your wife and marry me. No. And he's like, no.

Which I'm not sure why. Because his wife is really. And I think it was just the money. Definitely. But it's like, you're the worst. was, and I think it was just the money. Definitely. But it's like, you're the worst. Like, you're both the worst. You're both cats. But she got pissed,

and they started to have like a really intense argument. This thing lasted through the entire, like, it was after hours, obviously. But it lasted like throughout the entire feed store. They were just screaming at each other, chasing each other around. Literally. Seeds at each other.

Just throwing livestock food at each other. They each other around the place, seeds at each other, throwing livestock food at each other. They ended up at the top floor where she finally screamed, I'm going to tell your wife about us, which she did by screaming it in the place where the wife was. Well, that was all he needed to hear to fly into a blind state of rage because he grabbed her by the throat and strangled her, but didn't initially kill her. She went unconscious, so he just threw her off the side

of the three-story building. Are you shitting me? She hit the pavement in the courtyard below and died on impacts. She broke her neck immediately. Oh, yeah. So he ran down those stairs, looking around to make sure no one had seen this happen,

because again, it was after hours. And he quickly decided he had to dispose of this body now and so he looks around the courtyard and saw um like a sewer hole stop it and he threw her into the hole and buried her. Wow thinking he got away with it but what he didn't realize was that a young teenage boy had been looking into the courtyard from another building while this occurred Amazing. He saw the entire thing. He heard the entire thing. Joseph saw him. Good. He saw him looking out that window. Oh, when he saw him, they both looked at each other and the kid ran. Oh!

But Joseph Panic, he like chased him and lost him. And at this point, he knew he was caught. And now, not only was he caught having an affair, but he was caught murdering someone and burying the body. Like, how do you not get out of that? That's the catch of all cops. And now he knew there was no way of stopping this kid from spilling the beans of what he had just done.

Also, I'm sure the rage wore off a bit and the full realization of what he had done probably started to hit him at least I hope it did. Yeah, he trudged his way up to the third floor where he had killed Angelique and he hung himself from the balcony immediately Howard. Now luckily the teen boy did alert the cops he ran right to the authorities. They were able to find Angelique's body But he had obviously taken the cowards way out like Like you said, never faced any charges for it. Now Mary, his widow there, just kept running the business there. She was like, I got shit to do.

Yeah, she was like, I'm busy. And she was booked and busy. She made me. She was busy. I'm proud of her. She kept living on the second floor. Good. Like whatever.

Yeah, she didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately, she died at 35 years old. I'm assuming it was probably yellow fever because I think everybody was dying at that, at that time of that. But it wasn't long after this that the building changed hands because obviously she's gone this no one else to get to.

And it turned into a hospital that you was used to like quarantine yellow fever victims. They would literally like see a lot of two floors and like quarantine. So that, they would literally like seal off two floors and like quarantine. So that's going to be even more hauntified. Now basically it was a place for them to die horrifically. Yeah. These kind of quarantine hospitals were very common and unfortunately people would often be suffering so much that they would just choose to throw themselves out of windows and off of buildings to their deaths rather than continue to die slowly. Right. So these buildings still exist though and they're not quarantine hospitals anymore,

although we won't be so shocked at this stuff after the last couple of years we've all had. Yeah. Like I'm like they're not quarantine hospitals anymore and then I'm like, you know, they might come around to get it. It would be crazy if they weren't. But what is crazy to see though now is that the windows of this building all have metal bars covering them. And they were there, they were put there during the yellow fever epidemic to stop patients from constantly throwing themselves out of the windows to their death. God. That's how much of a problem it was. And they are still there as a very creepy reminder of that. Seriously, how spooky to see that in person I bet. So spooky.

Now, in 1989, the building became an Irish pub, which is, wow, this building has seen some shit. It's a sharp turn. It was called the Oflarities Irish pub, and it was opened by Daniel Oflarity, to be exact. Of course, immediately sightings of our original two toxic lovers, as well as yellow fever victims were a plenty.

Oh, I bet. In fact, it quickly became known as one of the most haunted areas in the French Quarter at the time, which is like a very... That's a distinguished title. I was gonna say that is a... That is something. Because that is one of the spookiest and haunted places ever. So Daniel, the owner, he played Celtic music. I always say Celtic.

Yeah, I know it's hard. It's hot for debate whether it's Celtic or Celtic, but I'm like, you, I say Celtic. We always grew up saying Celtic in my house, so that's what I'm gonna say. True Ireland heads, let us know. Yeah, please do. So you would play Celtic music on the balcony often.

I like part of the charm. Yeah, that's very charming. Well, Mary, our jilted woman, would sometimes appear and listen. She would do this when he played a specific song, which was red as the rose. Ooh. And I was like, ooh, so was I. I got to know the lyrics to this.

So I looked and I was like, oh, I think that played in our house a lot. Because we had Irish music playing. Oh, I think that played in our house a lot because we had Irish music playing a lot in our house. So this one, some of the lyrics are, come over the hills, my Bonnie Irish lass, come over the hills to your darling. You choose the road love and I'll make the vow and I'll be your true love forever. Oh, red is the rose that in yonder garden grows, fairs the lily of the valley, clears the water that flows from the boin, I hope it is, but my love is fairer than any. Oh, and then at one point it says,

it's not for the parting that my sister pains, it's not for the grief of my mother, it's all for the loss of my Bonnie Irish lass that my heart is breaking forever. That's so sad. And I'm like, was she just like feeling it? She probably was, She was just sad. Yeah, she was bummed out.

I hate that. But, you know, people also see her in the second floor window looking into the courtyard. And she just stares and then walks away and remember the courtyard as where Angelique was thrown to her death. So I don't know if she's just staring and she's reminiscing and some thoughts.

But cooks in the kitchen will also see her in the kitchen. And they say that like it appears like she's like making sure shits going right. Because she's a business woman and she's like don't fuck up my shit. It's so funny. I feel like, I don't know, I'm like this happens often. Here's this one instance of it. But I do feel like this happens often with like cooks in a kitchen because I used to work at an Irish pub

and the cooks in the kitchen, I think probably because they work so late into the night, the saffons, they would constantly see like spirits and everything. It does, I think it is because they're working so late and probably because they're just like the lifeblood of a restaurant, you know what I mean? So I think if there's any spirits in a pub or a restaurant,

they're probably gonna make themselves known to the people cooking the food. Makes sense. It's also, there's a bunch of stories that she throws things at women patrons too. Well, maybe she's like, stay away from my maid. Well, that's, I'm like, can we really blame her? She hasn't had great experience.

I'm gonna throw something at me. I'd be like, it's okay, girl. Now, people also saw Joseph's body swinging from the third floor balcony. Oh, I don't. Like they'll look up at the ones. They think they see it, and then they'll look again, and it's gone. Oh, that's really spooky. But I'm like, I don't. Like they'll look up at the ones. They think they see it and then they'll look again and it's gone.

Oh, that's really spooky. But I'm like, I don't want to see it even for a second. No, no. Now, sometimes when they were up there because like there's several floors to the pub and everything, that's really cool. I know. Well, it's not there anymore.

I shouldn't say there are. But there was. Okay. Now, the people would be up there and they would feel like they were being pushed and some people would get scratched and have visible scratches. That always freaks me in the fuck out because what?

Energy is like, is it people that are scratching you or is it energy? I'm like, what's happening? Things be out, dude. Apparently fights often happen up there, too. And patrons suddenly feel aggressive and belligerent. It comes on with no provocation, although I imagine alcohol couldacol could have something

to do with this. That's just me. I was like, we are at a pump. The legs, I'm like, I saw it. I was like, I'll pass it along. But like, I was like, I was like, I do. I've seen many sites break out at a pump.

You know what? Let's call this one debunked. Yeah. Let's call that one little instance. Like, I think people just fight because they're drunk. I think so too. But you know what, he was a dunk. He was a dunk.

He was a dick and a punk, I don't know if I'm saying I don't really know what that was. Yeah. He's a punk. I like that a dunk. He's a dick punk. He was a dunk and he was super aggressive. So, so maybe his energy is aggressive,

like violent energy is just making people. Because there are stories where people say like nothing's going on and they just be like fighting someone. But I'm also like, you probably just had one too many beers. Yeah, I feel like that's what that is. But you know, who knows? Yeah. But not many people would also run into Angelique just wandering around the courtyard being at the room. Sometimes being on the third floor and crying. Oh, which is sad. That is sad. But on nights, like, because you know what everyone made, like Angelique made a mistake here. Everybody makes mistakes. She did not deserve to die for it.

Everybody has those days. But on nights that the pub was in full swing, Angelique came out to play. Cause she is Angelique Du Bois. She is not. And shows. She is not sitting in her room. She would flirt with customers.

Of course she would. She would describe her to ET, like the long brown hair, to her waist, and they would say that she would touch their arms and hands and whisper things to them. And whisper sweet nothings in their ear. Whispering sweet nothings, and when they lost track of her, because she just vanished, she should ghost. The employees would tell them that they just got hit

on by a ghost. What a cool fucking story. And they're like, what? Two truths in a lie, let's go. Well, this will kind of bring Angelique into a better light too, because she also really likes children and will sometimes hold their hands.

Cute. And not an aggressive way, but in a comforting way. And she really likes men. So she'll hold men's hands as well. That's a daughter, but Angelique will also sometimes just join ghost tours of the area. Like top.

Just like out of the bar. And then she's gone, but her description is always the same. And it's always around that place. Right. Like she'll just join the ghost tour really quick. That's really cool. Now, things also got thrown across the bar and not by rowdy patrons. At night while the staff would be cleaning a bottle would just sail across the room. And they thought originally it was Angelique

just getting kind of like spicy because she was a little bit spicy in life. But I could also see it being Joseph because his temper sounded like he was pretty fucking bad considering it led him to murder someone. So maybe he's just throwing like all the bottom shelf like a maybe fuck out of here. And maybe he's just being a piece of shit dunk.

Top shelf only. Now even worse though, like that's all fun in games, like fun like, you know, but there's stories of hearing the coughing and sniffling and crying of quarantine yellow fever patients. People will still hear on like the upper floors where they would quarantine them. They'll hear bits of gagging and coughing

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Now it's like a series of apartments and there's a restaurant on the bottom floor, which is the New Orleans Creole Cookery Restaurant. Ooh, I bet that's really good. I bet it's really good. I for all the same sightings and sounds seem to be occurring apparently and sometimes it like scares the shit out of people. People will like run out of there. Well because now you're in your apartment

and you're seeing they're hearing this shit. Like that's not all right. Exactly, but I want to visit this place. If anybody's visited that area, let us know. I would love to hear it. And I'll feature it on another episode because I'm not done with New Orleans yet. Never.

So these are just a couple of examples of tragedy in the haunting that followed and a lot of like medical shit. Yeah. New Orleans fascinates me. So that's it. And I love going to New Orleans fascinates. So here we are.

That's definitely not the last one. I'll do this. Might be like a New Orleans week for me with cases. I just feel like I'm like entrenched in there. I was working on my case today and I do regret to inform you that it's not from New Orleans, but it is from North Carolina. Ooh, same thing.

And the letter of the week is. And, and, and. This is Sesame Street. But you know, I thought those were like crazy. They had like a medical thing running through them. So that's the way I was connecting them. But I was like, I want to do a few spooky things from New Orleans. That was super fun. Oh, we could do that with like a bunch of different places. Yeah, there you go.

Very fun. I like it. Let's do that. We got some episodes now that we're going to be able to fill with cool shit. So yeah, brother, let's go. That was really, really cool. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And if you have been to that pharmacy museum or the New Orleans Creole Cookery, please let me know. And thank you in advance for letting us know. Hell yeah.

So punchy. We are. All right, well, that was fucking phenomenal. And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it. Weeeeeeere. But that's where you don't write a new story about your new year lens experiences

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