Morbid - The Bermondsey Horror

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Alaina brings us the case of the Bermondsey Horror and boy is it a doozy. Get into your way back machine and get ready to take a trip across the pond because we’re heading to 1800’s London. We’ll quickly get acquainted with one Marie de Roux and follow along with her as she makes the choice between the two eligible bachelors she met within a few weeks of each other. Will she pick the Irishman, Patrick O’Connor who had money from honest work and also some money lending on the side or will she go with Frederic Manning who claimed to have an inheritance coming any day now? Either way, by the end of it all one man would end up dead and buried beneath Marie’s kitchen floor. Hold onto your butts!Best FiendsDownload your new favorite getaway, BEST FIENDS, for FREE today on the App Store or Google Play. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I have an old Timing Murder. What? I know, this one. Old Timing? I'm saying it's new, it's exciting for me. It's not. This one is called the Bermanzi Horror. That is what is is known by horror.

Horror, horror. Did it sound like yeah? Yeah, that's not what I said horror. Sorry. I don't know if it's like my the way I talk or something that it probably came out that way No, it's hard. I feel like we've said that before on screen like what we're gonna be like we're gonna have a horror Horror horror horror. You know ours are really hard for people for Massachusetts so like just bear with us Yeah, we don't do well with ours. What's an act kid? What's an act anyway? But let's talk about it. Okay this is from the 1800s. We're gonna talk about a woman named Marie DeRue. It was not a name. That's a pretty name. Marie DeRue. She was born in 1821 in Switzerland

actually. We don't know a ton about her because it was 1821. And, you know, there was Nalako non apparently with her, so she just got a floated through. She was just vibing. Unfortunately, when she was a teenager, both her parents passed away. Ooh. Yeah.

I don't know how, because again, not a lot of information. She do it. She ended up though, who knows, really? Oh, I was joking. I was gonna say perhaps, but she moved to London after this because she was like, you know what, I wanna get out of here, I gotta start my life.

So she became what was known as a domestic servant, so she became a maid of sorts to a woman named Lady Pulk. Okay, and this was in a house that was referred to as Halden House, and it was an exeter. Ooh, Exeter Devon. It's hard to understand how the counties and like places work in England because it's different from over here. I'm lost. So hopefully you guys know what that is. I'm assuming if you're over there,

you're like, yes, or no, no. And I'm sorry if you're like, no, that's not how that works. But I'm trying. So she had a great time there. She was really good at her job. She liked it because she got to be involved in all like the luxurious ways of living. Even if it was on the fringes of it, she got to experience it. She became obsessed with living that lifestyle. Even though she was not making a ton of money herself, she was able to live in the house, she got the experiences.

And so she was like, I wanna live this life, I don't ever wanna live in poverty, that's my goal. Okay, I mean, that's a fair goal to go, I guess. So in 1846, she was around 23 years old. This is she'd been working for a while, she'd gotten really good at it, word had spread that she was really, you know, because they talk. Oh, yeah.

These ladies of the households, they talk. High society and all that. Yeah. So, Word got around that she was really good at her job. She was also looking to kind of move on. So, she moved on to work at another home for somebody else. She now worked for Lady Blan Tier. Now Lady Blan Tier was actually the lady of Stafford House.

And this was one of the most prestigious and extravagant homes in London at the time. Okay. And these are just houses. Like a state. That's wild. Yeah. Just nuts.

And these were, I mean, they were described as like, you know, covered in marble and gold. And just like, the most extravagant and luxurious thing ever. I love it. Now this particular move for her was a huge jump-up in society. This was like a giant move. It was not lateral. This was very much a promotion.

She was still going to be, you know, a domestic servant in the home, but she was at the home that was now run by the daughter of a Duchess, which was a big deal. I've been watching Bridgerton, I know what that is. You know what that is? So she had the fucking queen of England coming over for tea at that house. Like that's how big a deal this place was.

I mean, she's a Duchess. She's a Duchess, she's a daughter of a Duchess. So she loved it, I'm married it. She loved it, she loved even just being attached to this kind of rich and luxurious lifestyle. She would meet all these royals and dignitaries and she started believing I'm part of this society. She was obsessed with it and becoming more and more obsessed with it. They gave her dresses to wear for certain events because like she wanted all of her people, all of her staff presentable. So she would get these fancy dresses. She got to go on fancy trips with her. It was honestly like a really, it was a, it was a great job to Marie.

And I feel like it just wasn't enough for Marie. I'm getting that feeling. You're getting that feeling. It never is. So in 1846, she went, that's when she went over to work for Lady Blinter. That same year, she actually accompanied Lady Blinter on a boat trip to France. Oh. This was going to be like a big trip. She was asked to be the maid on this trip because she was that good at her job. And also because she spoke French. Oh, so she was going to help. Yeah, so she she's gonna be a big help on this trip. She was super excited that she was chosen. So they're on the boat on the way there.

Obviously it's a long boat trip anywhere back then. You were just like, you were in for the long haul. So she's on the boat and she strikes up a conversation with a man. Oh, a handsome man. Another passenger. A man named Patrick O'Connor. Irish.

Irish. How did you, how could you tell? See the O. He tells Marie that he is hailing from County Tipperary in Ireland. And girl, she was smitten. Oh, hell yeah. He's an Irishman.

Also, he was smitten. They were both smitten. Okay. That accent, come on. I mean an Irishman. Also, he was smitten. They were both smitten. Okay. That accent, come on. I mean, come on. Undeniable. Now they chatted the entire way over. And as soon she found out that he was a customs duty collector at the London Docks.

But he was also making extra money as a smuggler or a money lender of sorts. Hmm. Which is like a whole shady business. But he was extraordinarily wealthy because of it. He was 50 years old, which makes him quite a bit older than her because she was 23. Which was like such a thing back then,

but like all fine, whatever you wanna do. And again, he was super wealthy, which was very attractive. Super wealthy. Super hot has an accent. What's wrong with that guy? What else can you ask for? And they just couldn't tear themselves away from each other during this boat trip. They just were talking, talking, talking. By the end of the boat trip, they had made plans to meet up again with each other when they both arrived back in London. Oh, and remember, like, this was going to be a while, because like, they're both going to France for different reasons.

They're both going to be coming back at different times. Both trips are long. Yeah. There was no cell phones to just text each other and be like, hey, I'm back in London. What's up? Imagine the excitement though, like the whole time she was in France, like, oh, when I get back to London,

I'm gonna see Patrick. I'm gonna go out. Patrick. Like so cute. Yeah. Patrick just reminds me of Shits Creek now. Patrick, right? And Patrick is like, where it's at.

Yeah. And he looks so Irish. it's at? Yeah, so. And he looks so Irish, that's all I'm picturing. He does. There you go. Now, they had dinner and when they got back to London, they were able to meet up. And it was a long time. Like, it was a long time before they could meet up. So like, I'm sure it was like the excitement was just everywhere.

So they had their dinner and it was right back. It was right back full-blown romance. But it was tricky though. Because remember, like full blown romance, but it was tricky though. Because remember, like I just said, it had been a while between the France trip. They'd gotten back at different times. And between that whole interim time, she had started seeing someone else. She's playing the field. I respect it. Now, because there was, there was like months in between. Yeah. So while she's waiting, you know, she's not technically, you know, dating. She just, she just wants, then she's not like engaged yet or anything.

She's just seeing a man named Frederick Manning. Okay. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times, or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missaldine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life changing events told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived a notorious serial killer, you'll hear their first-person account of how they overcame remarkable circumstances. Each episode is an exploration of the human spirit and personal discovery. These haunting accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you this is actually happening.

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fellow. I feel a shady fellow. I feel back then that there was a lot of shady fellows, so it's like you really, you could like throw a rock and hit like 10. But he was his suspected robber. Oh okay. So he had like a legitimate job and then also people were like I'm pretty sure he robs places. He also has a side hustle. It's just not really respectable. Not a great side hustle. He was suspected of robbing a train that he was actually on his railway.

Is it the one that he worked? Convenience. Convenience is key. So France. I loved it. I went to see France. I was gonna say like Frank and then I said France. Or like France and Frederick maybe. Frans and Fredrick maybe

his friends. Sure. I get it, thanks for that. I was gonna help you out now. So while he's like, you know, possibly a robber on the railway that he also works on, he's telling Marie, you know what, I have an inheritance that's about to hit. No, he's saying, you know, my father died in 1845, which was the year before, and he said his mother was kind of given everything in his will,

but his mother was going to be transferring ownership of a huge property to him, sure. And he was like, I promise this. We're just going through the whole motion. There you go. It's all going to happen. It's all happening, she and a she, let's know, so she's like, wow, that's great. You're, I mean, you're robbing places, so you're getting money. That's fun. Always good. Because Marie's just, she's concerned about it's money.

That's what she's looking for. Okay, where you got it? You have it. And you know what, at this point, she's dating these two men. They both have their pros. They both have their cons at this point. they use dating these two men. They both have their pros, they both have their cons at this point, and both have money, and both have jobs to boot. So it's like, well, you know what, yeah, I live in. Both were also kind of shady,

but you know, well, it's only a few, like I think it was only like a couple of weeks and then Frederick proposes, because I mean, it's 18. Oh, that's true. Everybody's just like, hey you, you're cute. You want to get married? Like it's literally just like, that's true. Everybody's just like, hey you. You're cute. You want to get married? Like it's literally just like, hey, cool.

We've gone out once. I was like actually thinking that watching Bridget and the other day. Yes, they like dance a couple times. And then they're like, would you wed my life? Would you wed my life? And then they're gonna tell they ask. I really wish that too.

But then it's just like, and then you spend eternity together because you're not able to get divorced. That's why most of them hated each other because they didn't know each other to begin with and then they would suddenly be living with each other and be like, wow, you're insufferable. Like imagine you go on one date with someone and you're like, well, we're a betrothed. Imagine one dance.

Yeah. And then it's like, well, that's that. That sucks. No, thank you. What a life. So, Frederick proposes. So, Marie is like, cool. Um, hold on a sec.

And then she's like, Hey Patrick, Scott just proposed over here. And Patrick's like, wait a fucking second. I was gonna propose, like that asshole proposed before me, excuse me. So Patrick is like, wed me, so he proposes. Patrick is a pick me guy. So she's got to choose. Yeah, and she's like, we got pros, we got cons here. We

got this guy who is like older and wealthy, but he's obviously wealthy due to shady dealings. He's got a job though, but they're both shady. We got this younger guy. I think this guy, I think Fredrick was only like a year within a year of her age wise. Sure. So he's like, got this guy that's more my age. He's gonna last long-want. He's got a job. He's still doing some shady things, but he's got that fucking inheritance coming. Right.

That's what she was looking for. She was like inheritance. She loves it. So she chose Frederick. She said, yes, to Frederick, which I immediately was like wrong choice. Yeah. I hadn't even read this full thing yet, this whole case,

and as soon as I read that she chose Frederick, I was like, oh, no. Yeah, I got like a wave of disappointment even though I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. I just, you always pick Patrick. When things for the Patrick, you always pick Patrick. You pick Patrick O'Connor. Yeah. You pick him.

Why wouldn't you? But she did. And here's the thing that's like, yeah, sure, he's got this inheritance coming. It's coming. Like you don't know if it's, is it going to arrive? Is it going to get lost in the mail, does it exist? He's steady income. He's got it locked and loaded.

Exactly. And you guys fell in love in like a really cute way. And it was like, Kismet, you know? Yeah, it was a meet-cute. So, I don't know. That's our story. Unfortunately, she and Frederick were married May 27th, 1847. They got married at St. James Church in Picadilly, London.

Do you remember the Picadilly pub? I hated that place. Oh, what the fuck is wrong with you? I loved the Picadilly pub. The Picadilly pub, I used to request to go there. I never liked any of the food there. Or the vibes. I mean, I'm trash, so I hated the food and the vibes there.

Oh, I loved the vibe. You got to keep little cup to drink your meal out of and like... To drink your meal out of? No, I meant your drink. Why did I like it? Yeah, no, no, they didn't give you your meal in a cup. See why I did not like it. There are menus that had fun games.

Yeah, I was never, I was never into the Piccadilly pub. I don't know what it was. You have a taste for the finer things in life Marie. Apparently. They just call me, no, don't call me Marie. No, I'm like, I don't know what it was. You have a taste for the finer things in life Marie. Apparently. Just call me, no, don't call me Marie. No, I'm like, I'm like, I'm an insult. Trust me, it's an insult. Now, they get married, yay, good for them.

Yeah. Fredrick then immediately quits his job. Oh, he quits his job as a guard on the railway. What? And he quits his job and it was like not a good, like, hey, I'm putting in my two weeks notice. He just kind of things. It was like a bad, I think there was like the rumors got around that he was like, well, he was the lover. He was like, it was a bad split between him and his job. Does he think that Marie is going to support him on her income? Well then he did get

a new job. He got a new job as a manager of the White Heart pub in Tononton. Oh, it is not Tonton in Massachusetts. Yeah. But Marie, you know, she was like, okay, cool. Now, at this time as well, Marie found out that the inheritance thing was bullshit. Shocking. Yeah, I know. I know, we're so surprised.

I know, I know we're all like, what? What a plot twist. Oh my goodness. No one saw that coming. Yeah, it was bullshit. It was never gonna come. It was never coming. He just trapped her.

He totally bullshitted her. No, no. He also was drinking heavily. Oh, he did not realize. Loser. She did not realize that she was marrying a full blown alcoholic who was now running a pub

and was running it into the ground because he was just drinkinginking all of the profits away. Oh my. And it was also, apparently, he was also like flirting with all the ladies at the pub. It was just like a bad situation. She chose badly. But this is a bad choice.

This is a predicament with a capital P. It really is. So they're trying to make it work. She's trying to be like, okay, I made this decision. I got to go with it. That sucks. So they end up moving away from Taunt and area and they moved to Bermansy in London.

And they found a home at three min of her place, but and they were renting this home. Now, but the marriage, it was not getting better. No. They're moving away from the pub, they're trying to do everything, but it's not getting better. Frederick is still a full-blown alcoholic and like, not a nice drinker.

Like, he's just a, he's a dick. Not a happy guy. No. He's still drinking super heavily. They weren't managing the money, the inheritances and coming, so they're struggling now. It's just bad.

It's bad. And she must have been like, you lied to me. You lied to me. Like, this whole thing began on a lie. This is all a sham. This whole thing began on a lie. This is all a sham. This whole thing began with two very dishonest and very not, the way they went into this marriage was not love and companionship. It was like money on both ends.

So it was just bad. So then Patrick comes back into the picture. And Patrick wrote her because I started communicating again. And Patrick wrote her a letter and said, he always loved her, he always would, and he wished it was him who she had chosen. Oh, I bet she wished that too. So a torrid love affair began.

Ooh, thanks. Because of course, that's gonna draw her in. She's very unhappy in her marriage. It's happening. And you know, I feel like in the 1800s, it was just like toward love affairs everywhere. Yeah, because you couldn't get unmarried. No, so you just kept having toward love affairs. Right. It was just like the way of the world. Now, Frederick knew these two

were friends still. Like they had not broken off contact, even when Frederick and her had gotten married. Like he knew about this. In fact, Patrick would come and have dinner with them often. Like the three of them would have dinner. Awkward. We still don't know if there was like, if he knew that there was a sexual aspect to this affair going on, or if he was ignoring it, or if he was completely clueless

and just thought that they were still friends, no matter what, it was a very strange and complex situation for sure. Very much so. And there's like rumors that later come down the line that I'll talk about that are like wild. I mean like wild. Now spicy.

Yeah, very spicy. Now in July 1849, Marie orders out of nowhere and receives delivery of, there's like record of this, at her home, a massive amount of lime. Oh, that's not good. This is like a random lime. Oh, that's not good. This is like a random delivery. No, it's not. Now, remember, this is a preparation.

Yeah, this is no good. And remember, this is what 1849, this is only a couple of years after marriage. Now, August 8, 1949, so the following month, Marie orders and receives at her home a giant shovel. Bye Fredrick. Thank you. You later.

Now they, so then Marie and apparently Fredrick, use this shovel to dig a giant hole in their kitchen floor. Wait Marie and Fredrick? Yep. What are they doing? They better not be coming. What are they doing? They better not be coming. What are they doing? They better not be coming for Patrick.

Now they dug this hole and people who came to the home saw this at one point and were like, what's that about? And they were just rearranging the flagstone on the kitchen floor. So we had a dig to make it more structurally sound because one of them was wobbly. Six feet down, you know? So they put the flag stone back on top of this hole. Mm-hmm. And like everybody was like,

all right, cool. I guess that's what that is. Now that same day, August 8th, 1949, Patrick O'Connor received an invitation from Marie to have dinner at the Manning Home with her and Frederick. He went just like he always would. Just like he always would. Just like he always would.

He would never have any reason to think anything different, but he unexpectedly brought a friend with him. He brought a friend named Pierce Walsh, who he called Walshie. She who, Walshie had helped Patrick get payment from alone recently, like a big payout. And the two of them were in a celebratory mood, so they were like, let's hang together.

All right, cool. So he brought them along. They had a normal meal. Everything was fine. When they left, Marine Frederick were pissed because they wanted Patrick to come by themselves. I wonder why? Why did they want Patrick to come alone?

Well, they have Lyme and I always say Lyme. They have Lyme and they have a six foot hole in their kitchen floor. And I feel like it's because they want Patrick for his money. I don't know. So Marie decides to use her wiles. She got Patrick alone for a moment during this dinner. She like brings him aside and she tells him, you know, I was really looking forward to an

evening with just you coming. And she says, you know, but you brought your friend that really like put me off. I'm like very upset about it. And he was very apologetic. And he offered to come the next night alone. So he was like, then we can have an evening together. And he's like, I'm sorry. Like I didn't, I was just celebrating.

I was excited. Patrick, don't be sorry. Yeah. So the next evening, he's coming to dinner again, but this time he's coming by himself. So he comes, everything's normal, like they normally do, but when it comes time to eat dinner, Marie tells Patrick, you have to go wash your hands. You've been at the dock all day.

Go wash your hands for dinner and he's like, I'm right. So Patrick is, of course, down to be clean for Marie. So he goes to the sink, he's washing up. He's finishing, you know, that second time singing Happy Birthday when you're supposed to really get those germs off, I'm sure. Because back then, we'll talk about it. Things were so sanitary, so I'm sure he was definitely washing his hands for that long.

Yeah, he's definitely getting the finger pit to wash her. Yeah, sure. That's a heavy dose of sarcasm in case you couldn't tell. But as he's doing this, Marie creeps up behind his ass. So. And literally shoots him in the back of the head with a revolver. My God, and this is a man that she once loved.

Yes. I don't think she knows what love is. No, she does not execution at point blank range to the back of that. That's insane. He fell to the floor and just started convulsing. He did not die. Oh. So Fredrick comes in with a crowbar and beats the hell out of him until he was dead.

Oh my God. He hit him at least 17 times in the head with a crowbar. Oh my God. Yeah. They then threw his body into that hole. They dug into the middle of their fucking kitchen floor and covered it with lime they purchased. Then they buried Patrick and they put the flagstone

just right back over it and sealed it off. And they're just gonna like walk throughout their kitchen day to day? Oh yeah, and after that, they sat and had whiskey together in the kitchen. What the fuck? Yup. That's the thing, when I was reading this,

I did not see it coming that Patrick was the one that was gonna go down. I thought Patrick and her were gonna kill Fredrick. That's what I thought you were gonna say. Whoa. So yeah, so the next day, Marie went to where Patrick O'Connor had been living, and she convinced his land lady to give her

the keys to his place. What? She had been there before because of air. Of course. And this land lady was said to despise her. Oh. But she allowed it anyways because she was like, I guess, like Patrick says is fine.

And she went through everything in Patrick's home. She found money, jewelry, railway shares that Patrick owned and she stole it all. Oh my God, she was so cold. Oh, and she was so money-hungry that she actually went back the next day to make sure she didn't miss anything to steal. This is like not a human being.

This is a full blown monster. And the plan was gonna be for Fredrick to go sell those shares under Patrick's name and collect the wealth before anything questioned anybody. And you don't think that nobody's gonna question you and all of a sudden you go from living like, you do like such a big class job. And nobody's gonna notice that.

And people love Patrick. He has friends and like clients and he has like people who know him. He's not just some random guy that nobody's gonna give us yet. Hell, he showed up the day before with his friend. I was just gonna say, she's gonna wonder where he is. And they had just settled a big deal, so that's telling. Exactly. Well, it was pretty immediately after they killed him

that people started searching for Patrick. Like, nobody was waiting very long to be like, with a fuck, cause why would you? And like I said, Pierce Walsh came to the Manninghouse old asking about him and said, did he come to dinner at your home the Thursday after we came to dinner, like that next day? And Marie was like, no, he never came to dinner that night.

Lier. And Walsh was like, hmm, that's weird, because he said, I've been talking to people because I'm worried about Patrick. And he said, I went to the dock. And he said, everyone at the docks where he was working on Thursday said that he told them he was on his way to your house for dinner that night. Yeah, so like, and then they said lie to me. Oh yeah, and then he was like, and also, I talked to people on London Bridge who were

working there and they said, on the way to your house, on London Bridge, he told people, I'm on my way to the mannings. Wow. So he was like, people know that he was coming here. So he was like, do you want to like, I don't know, change that up a little bit? And she was like, oh, well, no, he never came. And she was like, but I did invite him. He was supposed to come, but he never showed up.

And he was like, well, that's not what you said initially, but okay. So you're being shady, no? So yeah. So immediately everyone is like, this is suspicious. What okay? The deal. Now friends of Patrick's also spoke to his land lady

because they, they're trying to find him. Yeah. I can't even shit about him. And land lady reveals, well, Marie Manning came to the home and asked for the keys twice, back to back, after he went missing, and she came in here and was in here for a while, that's pretty damning. So they were like, okay.

So after speaking with Marie and seeing that she lied about him coming to dinner in the night when they had witnesses who told them that or who he told what he was on his way to their home for dinner and talking to the lady, the I'm like the lady, the lamb lady saying Marie was there twice after he went missing. They were like, okay, we have enough to call the police and say something shady about these people. Like please look into them.

This wasn't just like a bunch of random collection of like, this is like, everything is pointing to like the land lady Marie was here. She was here twice. The people at London Bridge, yeah, he was on the way to the mannings. People at the docks, he was on the way to the mannings. Right.

What else can you say? So he calls the Metropolitan Police, tells them everything. The Metropolitan Police were actually like very new at this time. I think they were only like 20 years old at this point, too. It was just interesting. Now soon, Frederick and Marie start turning on each other. I knew that was going to happen. Because remember, they didn't like each other to begin with.

No. I don't know why they thought killing her lover was going to bring them together in any way, shape or form. They fucking hated each other. They're both shitty people. Yeah. What, what did you think was going to happen here? So they're turning on each other. And now again, they have his railway shares because that's basically what they have killed him for. But shit is not going to go smoothly. They think this is just going to be like, Hey, I'm Patrick O'Connor, you're gonna say with your English accent on the phone

and like try to sell his shares and nobody's gonna question it. So Marie tells Fredrick, you know what, we gotta get outta here, we gotta get out of town. So she's like, you need to go and you need to sell the furniture in our house so we can get more money, so we can take these shares and run the fuck out of here.

It's like you don't think anybody is gonna be like, hey they're selling all their furniture police, maybe head down there. No, she's like, let's sell everything we got, get the money and let's get the fuck out of here. So he goes and while he's gone, she steals all the railway shares, all the valuable shit and she dips before Frederick gets back.

Wow, she just doesn't give a shit about anybody. She cares about Marie, yeah. Marie only. So she fucked him over. And he left on his own after that as well, as soon as he came back and saw that she had taken everything. He was like, well, shit. He was like, well, now I have to go.

So he got out of there. So they're now taking off in separate directions. The run on the runos, totally separate worlds. Right. Which is like bad. Because now you're spreading your shit everywhere instead of staying together. Mm-hmm.

So shortly afterwards, on August 17th, this was only like days after the police come knocking at the manning's house. They went into the home after the land lady allowed them in. And it was clear that the manning's had left the place in a very big hurry. They took most of their stuff, but what was left was in complete disarray. It's like they just ransacked and left, because they very much did.

They did. They soon, so they're going through the house, they're trying to find anything, they soon make their way into the kitchen. They were struck with the condition of the floor. It was so clean. No flagstone floor was this clean and tidy. And it's not like it matched the rest of the home, which wasn't like a fucking pigstie,

but it wasn't like house beautiful either. Yeah. It was just a very normal house. Yeah, this is like very much like this was cleaned in particular. So this is pretty big for the police at this time because again, they're very young police force and they notice this, they look closer

and it appears that one black stone in particular, the edges were damp. And they were like, this is weird. It looks like it wasn't properly sealed like the rest of them were that. It was recently sealed and the rest of them were sealed the long time ago. Right.

So they're like, hmm, so they stick something in there. They like, you know, use like some kind of sharp instrument to kind of cut away that seal and they kind of just hoisted up and they immediately see a human toe sticking out of the dirt. Oh my goodness. When they uncovered this, they see that it was Patrick O'Connor. His body was face down in the dirt. He was naked So they had stripped him and his feet were hog tied to his thighs. Oh my gosh. Yep His hands were tied behind his back and they were able to identify him by his dentures Which they left in like stupid idiots. Okay. Now the best thing About this I was I was telling John this and he was like,

this is amazing. So I was watching this like documentary about this and there were all these like older British historians that were talking about this case. This particular point, they found fucking hilarious and I couldn't stop laughing because they were all, it's all these older historians like British men, being like, these fucking stupid potatoes didn't take out his fucking teeth. Like, they were just like, what idiots? Like, who does that?

Who just leaves me a teeth in this dead body for them to find? Like, they were, and every time they would go to one, another guy who would be like laughing hysterically about it. And I was like, wow. I was like, the British are the cheekiest mother fuckers. Oh, I appreciate it. I appreciate it so hard because they were like, these fucking dummies didn't take his teeth out. Who wouldn't think to do that?

I'm like, I love that you're so appalled. But I would not think to take somebody's teeth out. I mean, I wouldn't think to murder someone. So, oh, see, I said never get there. This was in the 1840s. I don't think that like the first thing on these like idiot, first of all, they're dummies anyways, but they're like burying him in their actual floor.

Right. But like I don't think in their actual kitchen floor. They're actually kitchen floor. Not the figurative floor. Like nowhere else, they're not taking him into the woods or something, just like in the floor. Right. They didn't want to do anything.

That'll do. And it's like, so you think these dummies are going to be like, hmm, we should probably take his fake teeth out because you never know when dental technology could advance in the next year or so. And they could identify him through those, you know, they're not thinking that. Of course they're not. They aren't thinking that. They think in that line is going to take care of everything.

That's all they were thinking about their idiots. But I could not stop laughing at how fucking funny these older British historians found this particular point. I love that. They were just like ripping on them. Like, it was like, it was like a comedy central roast. It was amazing. Anytime I could do like a British case,

I feel like it's always interesting because the humor is wonderful. It really is. So now they look, now they're looking at the mannings, obviously, who they're like, okay, we now know that they did this. That's has happened, but they don't know that they're on the run separately, right? They think they're on the run together. Of course they do, because why wouldn't they be?

So Holmes, Secretary Sir George Gray offered a 100-pound reward for any information leading to their capture. Their descriptions were released, drawings were released of them, descriptions of the valuables that they had stolen where published. The public was on the case along with the detectives. This was like a huge thing. So now they bring Scotland yard onto this case. I knew it was coming.

He got to bring Scotland yard. Of course you do. So what's he going to call? They find out Scotland yard is like on it. And they find out from a cab driver who saw their descriptions in the paper because it was really smart of them to release their descriptions,

the drawings of them, everything like that, and their names for that matter. They find out from a cab driver that he had driven a woman matching Marie's description to catch a train to Scotland. Believeable. Yep. And she had told him that she was headed for Edinburgh. Now they follow this and find out that a woman matching her description did indeed catch a 6.15am train to Edinburgh that day and was doing so under the name Mrs. Smith. Now witnesses who saw her said she was acting very strange.

She was very nervous, acting very off, dropping shit, like just acting like something was wrong. Then following that lead, they find out that some luggage was seen in Edinburgh at a train station and it was with a woman whose description matched Marie's perfectly. And it also had the tag Mrs. Smith on it. So the Scotland Yard baddies now used the brand new system of telegraph to telegraph up to Edinburgh and the Edinburgh detectives were able to track down Marie under the fake name she was using there. Wow, this is iconic. Also, the fake name she decided upon was Mrs. Smith. Yeah. Really, girlfriend? Yeah. Mastermind. Not a lot of neurons firing up there. None.

They also caught her while she was in the process of trying to sell the fucking railway chairs in Edinburgh. Stop it. She was living in a fancy ass hotel because she'd sold some of the stuff. Right. And they arrested her and brought her right back to London. When they searched her possession, she was holding all of Patrick's railway shares. And now this was a huge milestone for police work at this time. The Metropolitan Police, like I said, had only been around for like 20 years. The electric telegraph was brand new as well. And it had been invented around 1837.

So this was all new. They also were breaking barriers by using leads from boat records and railway records for this case, which was like a step forward for police work. Of course, yeah. And the way that all the leads lined up and they were able to use all that was like a huge ground breaking case. Yeah. Now, so she was brought right back to London.

Frederick was found pretty quickly as well. Shocking. He had caught a boat to the island of Jersey and was just hiding out there. He had been hanging in St. Helier, Jersey, and was drinking like a fish again. He had run into someone he knew from London there. And that old friend called police

because they saw the murder news in the papers, and also someone used the new telegraph system to let detectives in Scotland yard know that they saw Frederick on a steamer making his way to the islands. Wow, these dingus' just like got away for like a minute and a half. And he was even stupider because he acted like a dick to someone who just asked him for directions on the way there. And that person remembered his description in the paper and they called police as well

and were like, this asshole wouldn't even give me directions. That's the ultimate revenge. Yeah. So he got scared by that old friend when he ran into that old friend. He was like, they're gonna remember me. Yeah. And like, that's gonna be a problem.

And so he had actually run to St. Lawrence Jersey at this time. He's just like running around the style. I'm just, he's forced gumping every day. He has. He's spent his time getting even drunker and causing a lot more people to notice him because he was like causing trouble.

I love that their motto was be so suspicious, be so suspicious. The most conspicuous people you will ever meet. Meanwhile, the entire time thatuous people you'll ever meet. Meanwhile the entire time that this is happening, that he's like running around these islands, like causing havoc, but thinking he's one step ahead of the police. The police were on the island the entire time just following his movements. It was like good police work, and they also were shocked that he didn't even attempt

to leave knowing that they were looking for him. I messed the other thing. I was waiting for you to say like, and then he left. No, he was just hopping around the island. Wow. Now, the telegraph from the newspaper describing his apprehension said this, because they immediately apprehended him on the island. Of course.

It said, quote, the Southwestern company's steamer career has just arrived here, bringing intelligence of the arrest of Frederick George Manning last night at Jersey on the charge of murdering O'Connor. Manning was apprehended Weltsden bed at half past nine o'clock at night. Amazing, I love that they waited. Yep, at a public house in St. Heliers, but the chief of police of the island in conjunction with officers Langley in Lockyeryear officers of the Metropolitan Detective Police. So when he was found there by police, he admitted everything.

Of course he did everything. He said he beat Patrick O'Connor over the head with a crowbar, but he said Marie shot him in the back of the head. He said, quote, I never liked him. So I battered his head with a ripping chisel. That's not anything that you'd like to do, sir. Okay.

He apparently also asked if Marie was arrested like immediately and was pleased when they told her that she had been arrested. He had said, quote, has the wretch been taken? The right. Has the wretch been taken? And when they said, yeah, he said, quote, I'm glad of it.

It will save my life. What? This is the marriage. Yeah, marriage for real. I'm like, girl, you'm glad of it. It will save my life. What? This is the marriage. Yeah, marriage for real. I'm like, girl, you should have just married, I mean, like you don't deserve Patrick, so I'm glad you didn't.

But you should have just married Patrick and like avoided all of this. Idiot. It's your fault that you already it's the other stupid one. Frederick and her are the biggest idiots. They are. Now, he kept saying that she deserved it.

He was telling the police like she deserves it because she was the real perpetrator here. Even though he had bashed O'Connor's head in 17 times, that's fine. Like, she was the bad one. You deserve it too. I'm like, yeah, she's bad too. You're also a shitbag.

Yeah, equal. He was also pissed that she left him and took the money. So he was like, I'm pissed, which is like, you're also not helping your case of pretending you had nothing to do with this because you're pissed at her for abandoning you and taking the money. Right. Now, in the telegraph, it explains his confession as well. It says, quote, manning confessed his guilt to the officers upon his apprehension, adding that he was instigated to the deed by his wife and affirming that Mrs. Manning fired the pistol

and shot at the unfortunate Mr. O'Connor. Manning more overstated that it was his intention to have surrendered on Wednesday if he had not been apprehended. Yeah, totally. If you guys didn't get me today, I was totally gonna surrender tomorrow. He was like, I was just gonna hit the pub one more time.

Yeah, one more string. And then I was trying to be out of here and I would have shown up and confessed the whole thing. Should have just given me a second. But like, good on you guys for getting me. Yeah, well, that was trying to be out of here. And I would have shown up and confessed the whole thing. Should have just given me a second. But like, good on you guys for getting me. You know, job guys. But I was gonna do it anyways, so it's fine. Okay, Frederick.

Ding, ding. Now, both of them were locked up in Newgate prison. Frederick requested while sitting in jail on murder charges that a guard give him a pipe and some smoking tobacco. No. And they were like, no. Thanks, though.

Thank you for asking that, though. You fucking idiot. Now, from appearances, guards and those who saw him in jail said it was obvious that he was very addicted to alcohol because now without it, he was very pale and very sick. Ooh, which I'm like, he could have died. Like it actually crazy that he didn't. Yeah.

Now, because it sounds like he was very addicted. Of course. Now, immediately this is when the Bermansi horror title came out, like through all the newspapers, this is what this was called. And it's still known of that today. Now, everyone went nuts over this story. And of course, Marie was the one that they really honed in on because it's usually the woman that they honed in on these cases. She's a terrible piece of shit, but also Frederick was a terrible piece of shit as well.

They're equal pieces of shit. Now the trial was at Old Bailey in October 25th 1849. Witnesses were brought up to identify them both. Now what I found interesting, I watched something called Murder Maps on this. It's a really like crazy show that goes through like old-timey murders and it like maps it out for you. It's cool. And they were talking about how at Old Bailey, these trials would only last like like minutes. Oh wow. Like they're not quick, but this one lasted longer.

But I just had no idea that these trials were so quick there. Yeah, I had never heard that. So witnesses were brought up to identify them both, and the superintendent of the Edinburgh Police was one of the witnesses. He was Richard John Moxie. He stated on the stand that it was Marie who was in Scotland when he questioned her

about the whereabouts of her husband. She had told him her name was Mrs. Smith. She had run from her cruel abuse of husband Frederick because he drank and she worried that he would murder her. That's why she was in Edinburgh. She said, oh, he also said that she just ran her fucking mouth once everything came out and she was being arrested. She started talking about how Patrick O'Connor was the kindest man she knew and he acted as a father to her. Remember they were fucking on the regular, guys. Like what? What? Why are you saying he acted like a father to you? That's weird. That's weird. She definitely was saying it to be like, she was trying to come off more innocent like this was a father. Right. If she says that she's having an affair with him, it gets spicier. Right. That's the salaciousness of it all exactly. Yes. Now this is when she said he was invited to dinner that day, but he never came. And she had gone

to his home afterwards. She was like, yes, of course the land lady is right. I went to his home. And she said, but I was just looking for him. I went to his home to see where he was. And then did she say, it's just so crazy that he ended up in my floorboards. Yes, it's wild time. He will check there. Yeah, I would have looked there had I known, but I went to his house. Now, two clerks testified that Frederick Manning was the man

who had called under the name Patrick O'Connor to cash out some of his railway stocks. They were like stockbroker clerks. Yeah. Now, side note to this, at the time, cholera was rampant at this time in London. Gross. One witness testified on the Friday that Frederick called pretending to be Patrick, and then that witness had died by Saturday from cholera. Oh my goodness.

Isn't that wild? Yeah. The second clerk got it and died by Sunday. Jesus. So they testified on a Friday, both were dead by Sunday of cholera. Whoa. Now cholera, in case you don't know,

it causes like severe dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea. It's like from usually from a shitty drinking water. Oh, okay. Now, just as a little side note, because this was interesting to me, from vomiting and diarrhea. It's like from usually from shitty drinking water. Oh, okay. Now, just as a little side note, because this was interesting to me, because I was like, excuse me, two witnesses died within a weekend of testifying.

That's how bad this was. Right. There was a cholera outbreak that lasted two years, starting the year before this in 1948. And it was said to be the worst outbreak in the city's history. Wow. So while this was going on, it was like the worst outbreak. So they're trying to deal with that and they're trying to handle-

And trying to keep people alive, right? In England and Wales, over 14,000 people died. Oh my gosh. During this outbreak. And a guy named Edwin Chadwick was a social reformer at the time. And he was like, guys, there's clearly a link between sanitation and disease and cholera. And in 1842, he had actually wrote about this

in his publication, The Sanitary Conditions of the Laboring Population. He was discussing life expectancy in relation to disease and living conditions in it. And this led to the 1948 Public Health Act that appointed Edwin as the first director of the General Board of Health because of his findings in research. Get it? Edwin. Now, he later, because no, he later actually became the sanitary commissioner

of London. Oh, shit. But in fact, at the time, newspapers were saying cholero is actually the best sanitary reformer because it did inspire people to try to live in the cleanest conditions they could at the time. Okay, because it wasn't always within everybody's control at the time. Right. So during what was going on. But unfortunately only very limited improvements were actually made to ventilation and drainage in the city after he became commissioner. He tried, but he wasn't able to do a whole lot. So actually, because of the changes, more runoff went into the river temps, which was like the main supply, and further contaminated the drinking water, which led to more of an

outbreak. And again, the worst outbreak in the city's history in those two years starting in 1948. Yeah. So that was just like an interesting side note of what was going on at the time. Shit was bad. So back to the trial. They launched separate defenses. They were not even gonna do this defenses together. They were just gonna go after each other. Wow. I love that they're just like no longer married fuck right off. And that's, I'm like, you are the mannings. Like you are still fully married right now. But Frederick, Frederick, Frederick decided

to just blame the entire thing on Marie because he figured the press was leaning that way anyways. So he was just gonna play into it, saw that coming. Now he reminded everyone that it was Marie who invited Patrick for dinner that evening, not him. He was like, it was totally her. The defense made sure she appeared to only be the money-hungry villain that she really was.

They had the money-hungry. You know where it was. Of course they did. We're just helping each other out with our made-up words today. I appreciate it. But they were really hammering in on that fact. Yeah, because it's, you know, true. Now they brought Francis Stevens to the stand and he was Patrick's stockbroker.

And he, so he had a very close relationship with Patrick. He identified his own signature on those shares that were found in Marie's possession. And he kept saying she, then he was like like those are my shares that I gave Patrick Like I can guarantee you so why would she fucking have those on her person? Which is arrested have him under her floorboards. I would be like why are we here right now? The body was found under floor boards in her kitchen It's because the two of them are going after each other saying I didn't do it He did it. I didn't do it, she did it. Right, right.

So now they need to be like, what the fuck? But she kept saying she only went to Patrick's place after he was missing because she was looking for him and she kept to that story. But this whole thing shattered that completely because Francis Stevens being on the stand saying, yeah, those are the stars, those are the shares that I gave him, I sand those off.

She only has those in her possession because she went to his home and stole them. Those weren't that whole story she's telling about like I went there just to check on him. And that shattered now because while she was there, she stole those shares. You didn't give them to her. And why would you do that? So that was just gone. But Marie's defense was that she wasn't there when Patrick was murdered. Now she's saying I wasn't even there. And she said the whole, she was part of the cover up.

And you know, sure, maybe I stole some things afterwards, but like I didn't kill him. But then after the whole, you know, she went to Patrick's place to steal a shit after he was murdered thing came out. She pivoted and she said, okay, but this was just Frederick's deal. And I just covered it up. Like, so now she she said, okay, but this was just Frederick's deal and I just covered it up. So now she's like, okay, yeah, sure.

I went there afterwards, whatever, like I, but because now she's like, okay, I'm gonna take a step back. I'm gonna say I didn't do the murder, but I had to cover it up because he's my husband. He made me. And he made me do it. And you see in Britain at this time, women had to obey their husband's orders. And therefore a law was actually in place that said a wife could not be charged

with being an accessory to murder if her husband committed the murder and ordered her to aid him in covering it up. Dude. So they were gonna try to use that law. That's a dangerous ass law. That's a change, because it was basically like...

That's a loophole. Like, I have to be loyal to my husband first as a wife, so I had to do this. Like, by law, I am compelled to help him cover this up, but you can't charge me with accessory, because by law, I have to help him. That's just giving people a lot. Is that a loophole?

A murder loophole. The loopiest loophole. But they just said, okay, that still doesn't explain why you then stole all of Patrick's shit and also invited him to dinner yourself. Right, like what was the plan there? So she then testified to the fact that Patrick O'Connor meant more to her than her husband ever did.

Oh, she is. So she was just throwing salt in those wounds. And she said because of this, he was murdered by Frederick who just went nuts from jealousy. And it was all about the fact that Patrick, or Frederick could not handle the affair with Patrick. That's scary because I honestly feel like if I were a juror, I would believe that.

It's a decent defense. It is. It really is. Like, I think I could definitely see that being a thing. Yeah. I mean, we know it is not because we're looking at this from now. No, of course not.

But imagine sitting in a juror seat back then. You could be like, yeah, maybe he didn't go crazy from Josie. That's a reasonable doubt right there. But I think the fact that she has all the railway shares and she actively ran to Edinburgh and changed her name and all that kind of goes against her. Little Dan.

Would have been a decent defense. Had she not done that? Now this is when the newspapers went buck wild. So when it started getting into the affairs shit, they said, let me get buck in here. Suddenly rumors went wild that this was not just a toward a fair between Patrick and Marie. No.

Now people in the papers were suggesting that there was a three-way sexual relationship happening here, and that something went wrong within that complex affair. I knew from the beginning of the story that you were going to say that. It was scandalous at the time, on a level no one had ever seen. And no matter what, it was going to be taken as partially true because it was said. Right. Rumors are said, they become truth to a lot of people, which is dumb, but it's the way it works.

That's actually the theme of my entire uptoming case. Well, there you go. Now, of course, they all denied that, Frederick denied that, Marie denied that, of course. There was no, but of course, it's just something that maintains to this day that it was like a big rumor. I don't think that's true. I don't think that was true at all,

but I think it's like they did it just to make it even more scandalizing, you know? Right. Sell the tabloids of the time. So it only took the Jerry 45 minutes of deliberation. Both of them were found guilty of murder. Both. Both of them were sentenced to of murder. Both of them were sentenced to hang. Wow. Yeah, which is wild. Now later the defense team for Marie said, which is just funny.

I think Fredrick's defense team was like, yeah, we gave it a shot. Like, sure. Marie's defense team came out later and was like, oh, we never for one second believe she was innocent. Like we, there was really nothing we could have done. Like they were like, I'm surprised we got that far with it. They were like, yeah, we were prepared to take a hell of big L. Yeah, they were like, we figured this was gonna be a loss and that's fine. Oh man.

Now during the time between trial and execution, Marie did attempt suicide in jail. She tried to strangle herself and pierce her windpipe with her own fingernail. What? But she was stopped. Oh. Yeah.

She then wrote a letter to Queen Victoria asking for her. And girl, remember me. And literally did that. Like was like, you know, because they did have a previous, some kind of relationship, even if it was staff and queen. You know, they had known each other. So she had written to her asking for her to use her power to give her a preve from hanging in Queen Victoria

wrote her back because she knew who she was. And she was like, no, you're a filthy murderer and you're gonna hang you mother fucker. It was literally like, I think justice is served here. It's like, I just got like a picture in my head of ever after like spoiler alert ahead. So like, don't listen if you don't want that. But when she becomes queen and then they're like, will anybody speak for you? And then Drew Barrymore goes, I'll speak for you. It gives me that.

That's the vibes. Yeah, there you go. Anybody that hasn't seen Ever After is like, what? Yeah, like I'll say Bridgerton, the queen on there, no spoilers. What, no, it's not a spoiler. But she's awesome. I love her.erton, the queen on there, no spoilers. One, no, but it's not a spoiler, but she's awesome. I love her. I love the queen on there, and I can picture her just being like,

no, you filthy murder. I would like to fuck off. She would go say it in person. 100%. So her next move was to write Fredrick and to try to seduce him again. She's like, sorry that during the trial. She's like, it was all your fault. It was just a little joky poo. She's like, sorry that during the trial. I said it was all your fault.

It was just a little joky poo. She was like, you know what? Everyone goes through a rough patch in their marriage. Okay. You know the first year is the hardest. Yeah, it's tough. Now, when he began responding because they started corresponding,

she then was like, hey, baby honey, sweetie pie. Would you maybe want to take like all the responsibility for this? One of us might as well get out of here. Do you think that would be something he wanted to do? And he immediately wrote her back. I was like, fuck off which? I was like, no. I just picture him with like the paper like this way.

Just like, fuck off. Yeah, I just let's know. She got like, no, thank you. So that ended right away. Yeah, I bet. So November 13th or 1849, they were taken to the gallows together. Before they went to the gallows, Marie asked to have her black silk kerchief tied around her eyes because she didn't want to see the actual gallows or the crowd,

which was said to have been a crowd of between 30,000 and 50,000 people waiting to watch those. That's why everybody was sick. What are you doing in a group of 30,000 people, ever? I'm like, that's just a petri dish. That's too many people. Also, stop watching public executions. That's a whole nothing to be. They did this for her.

So they did do this for her. They tied the Kirchip around her eyes. Yeah. But the crowd was a fucking crazy ass nightmare and an up itself. Yeah. They actually crushed a woman to death in the crowd. Oh, and like a few other like people got really injured. Reports said that Marie leaned over at the last second and kissed Fredrick. Weird. And they took this as like a a thing

between them like all is forgiven kind of thing, which is strange. But both were hanged on the roof of horsemonger lane jail. Frederick died immediately when he was hanged. Marie strangled for a while before dying. Oh, I feel like that's like weirdly like just like the universe. Like some kind of symbolic thing. Weirdly, Herman Melville was in the crowd during this, you know, Moby Dick. Oh, yeah, you know that Moby Dick. Oh, yeah.

You know that little, little tale. I think I've heard of it. Yeah, like once or twice. He watched this. He paid money for a spot on a rooftop because people would pay money to like, for spots to watch the shit. Wow.

Yeah, and he later wrote in his journal about it. What? He wrote quote, the man and wife were hung side by side, still unreconsiled to each other. What a change from the time they stood after being married together. quote, the man and wife were hung side by side, still unreconsiled to each other. What a change from the time they stood after being married together. I just want to think of right in your journal, you're like,

that's fucking crazy about that. Because here's the deer diary. I've got some hot tea. Some hot tea. And Charles Dickens actually watched this. What is up with like literary people in the crowd? Charles Dickens was, this was actually, he was never really into the public execution thing, but this really turned him against it.

Oh. He was watching it and he actually wrote a letter to the Times speaking of how barbaric public executions were and the way the crowd reveled in it repulsed him. Yeah, because it is gross. I have to read the letter. He wrote because it's like, yeah. He wrote, I was witness of the execution of horsemonger lane this morning. I went there with the intention of observing the crowd gathered to behold it. And I had an excellent, I had excellent opportunities of doing so at interviews, intervals all through the night and continuously from daybreak

until the spectacle was over. I believe that a site so inconceivably awful as the wickedness and levity of the immense crowd, collected at that execution this morning, could be imagined by no man, and could be presented in no heath and land under the sun. The horrors of the jibbit and of the crime which brought the wretched murderers to it, faded in my mind before the atrocious, bearing looks and language of the assembled spectators. When I came upon the scene at midnight, the shrillness of the cries and howls that were raised from time to time, denoting that they came from a concourse of boys and girls already assembled in the best places, made my blood run cold. As the night went on, screeching and laughing

and yelling in strong course of parodies, parodies of melodies, with substitutions of Mrs. Manning for other things, was like, or excuse me, and the like were added to these. When the day dawned, thieves low, thieves low sex workers, he said prostitutes, ruffians and vagabonds of every kind flocked onto the ground with every variety of offensive and foul behavior, fighting, faintings, whistlings, imitations of punch, brutal jokes, tumultuous demonstrations of indecent delight when swooning women were dragged out of the crowd by police, with their dresses disordered, gave a new zest to the general entertainment.

When the sun rose brightly as it did, it gilded thousands upon thousands of upturned faces, so inexpressibly odious in their brutal mirth of callousness, that a man had caused a feel ashamed of the shape you wore, and to shrink from himself as fashioned in the image of a devil. When the two miserable creatures who attracted all this ghastly sight about them were turned quivering into the air. There was no more emotion, no more pity, no more thought that two immortal souls had gone to judgment, no more restraint in any of the previous obscenities than if the name of Christ had never been heard in this world. And there were no belief among men that if they had perished like beasts.

I am solemnly convinced that nothing that ingenuity could devise to be done in this city, in the same compass of time, could work such ruin as one public execution does. And I stand astounded and appalled by the wickedness it exhibits. I do not believe that any community can prosper, where such a scene of horror and demoralization as this, enacted this morning outside Horsemonger Lane Jail is presented at the very doors of good citizens and is passed by unknown and forgotten. Beautiful.

I mean Charles Dickens. Yeah. But he literally was like, this is a fucking scurge on society. I mean, it needs to stop. Like, he was not wrong. And he was not wrong. And he was not wrong. And because of this, he became a very outspoken advocate

for ending public executions completely. He was also inspired by watching the hangings of the mannings to write the novel Bleak House, which is a very big novel of his. One of the characters in the book Hortense is actually inspired by Marie Manning. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Like, directly. Marie actually, this is just a last little thing. Marie wore a black satin dress when she was hanged. And the fabric went like totally out of style for a while because of it. Nobody would buy it. Oh wow. Sales like plunged. And she was called the woman who murdered black satin for a while.

Oh, dare she. Isn't that wild? That's insane. So they were hang together side by side, a married couple. And I think they were only the second married couple to be hanged. That's nuts. And just the fact that they gave each other a smooch before.

That's like so. At least a lot of reports say that. Of course. Yeah, you remember that. But a lot of reports do say that that happens. So that is the Burmanzi horror. All right.

And for Patrick O'Connor. I know. I just feel bad for him. I do too. That's just sad. It is. And just so senseless. It is.

Like we say, all murder is senseless, but some of them you're just like, really? Especially when it's for money. It's like, yeah, just go make your own money. Like just you were enjoying hanging out with the family that you worked for. So just continue working for them. Yeah, exactly. You'll get a fancy dress out of it and you can hang out

with the queen. Yeah, she just did that job. A scoundrel. A scoundrel. A cat. A scoundrel or a cat. So yeah, that was wild old timey one for you. It was.

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